Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness by Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 17th May 2013 - Debate With Raymond Karczewski

The Cristian Family November 2006

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski

Starting 13th May 2013

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201090474292079

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Arthur Cristian

13 May at 10:57

We were never meant to be educated by another MAN. We were supposed to be brought up by nature (co-creators/partners we now stupidly call animals etc) so that we can create and have original thoughts/images empowered and embodied with the gift of life to co-create and expand the dream of life with. We were ALL supposed to direct life, our lives, into the image of nature and not direct our life force energy "outside" of the dream of life (nature) and into another MANS interpretation of what the dream of life (our lives) is all about, hence the education/brainwashing we all go through to align with and perpetually focus on another MANS dream = HIS-STORY. The his-story is ALL university courses, careers, titles, standings,etc, including ALL the education of read and write alphabet languages, mathematics and geometry/sacred geometry out of which comes commerce = "The System".

"The System" was designed to keep us glued and hypnotised to this other MANS his-story (history). We were not supposed to follow another MAN by worshipping that MANS dreaming. To be original and unique not one the same as the next, we were all supposed to be in the image of the original dream that is nature. We can only be original and unique when we are raised up by nature all-around us. This is the ONLY way we can each have original thoughts out of which is derived our unique purpose and legacy for the dream of life. Original MAN dreaming the dream of Life is eternal. Our cells regenerate forever. However, we gave being eternal when we fell under the spell of another MANS dreaming and entered the education of his-story.

We are all supposed to be co-creating and expanding nature - not another MANS thought of what each of our lives should and can be, images that have us worship that MANS his-story image. We do this when we fall under the spell of religions, occults, esoterics, astronomy, astrology, system science, channelling, quantum-physics, prophecies, new age philosophies, etc. And when we fall under another MANS his-story dream marvelling at that MANS ideas, as in a "Jesus" (Je-Zeus), we direct our life-energy into those thoughts by worshipping it. This is what we are doing when we are under the distracting spells of belief, faith and associated opinion. We are now hijacked from nature. We have been kidnapped and removed from the original dream of life that inspires our true and unique purpose for the dream of life. Our lives have been transformed into zombies. Falling under the image of another MAN to serve it, elevates that MAN to a "God"status and us to shit. This is the present chaotic mess we are all waking up to. It's called "The System".

Love Arthur

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Allen Rehbein

think out side of this as well

13 May at 11:03

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Allen Rehbein

because its leaving something out and i will share about this

13 May at 11:03

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, have you discerned the spiritual connection that exists between us -- that which complements truth?. You express Truth in logical explanation which is acceptable to the Intellect, but does not quite deliver one to it, while I express the Truth that is beyond words and can only be felt. Intellects can argue with you finding their anchor in the arena of belief ridden intellects, but they CANNOT argue with WHAT THEY FEEL WITHIN THEIR OWN LIMITED CONSCIOUSNESS. Each points to the incapacity of the limited, dualistic Intellect to grasp holistic (nondualistic) Truth. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 11:23

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No Fluoride Australia

It's time we start planning and acting within our own system.
Their system is a complete failure and I no longer wish to support the corruption.
Many people want start this.

13 May at 11:26

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Raymond Karczewski

Yes, that is the answer, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 12:18

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Arthur Cristian

Raymond, thanks to the intellect we are dealing with a shattered reality here. Through insights/perceptions, we are determined to provide an ability for those who dream TRUTH to access forgotten pieces of this/our shattered reality, to contemplate on such sensory-images and when able, use their SENSE/SENSES to start putting back together the WHOLENESS of the dream of life that is nature, that is who we really are.

Obviously, this can only be done with patience and perseverance as there is no "time" prerequisite for each of MAN/us to awaken TRUTH. We ALL left the Garden of Eden/Nature/FOOD-FORESTS and it is ONLY through the reconstruction of FOOD FORESTS that we heal ALL the damage caused by belief in non-sensory thoughts/images of a shattered reality = "The System".

It is paramount that we co-create and provide living-sensory (FEELING) examples of FOOD FORESTS as this is the ONLY way back for the living-dead lost in "The System" of thoughts without LIFE.

How else can they reconstruct the missing pieces of their/our shattered reality?

Thought alone is not sufficient, because thought alone has no PASSION, no LIFE.

Without passion there is no life to set Paradise into motion, so we (Fiona & Arthur) do what we can in our articles, videos, posts, podcasts, debates, etc, to rekindle small SENSORY fires burning in the hearts of MAN so that each of MAN can FEEL/SENSE the passion of these fires burning and yearning in their hearts for KINDOM and as each flame unites, MAN to MAN, we co-create a raging fire of PASSION (LIFE) so powerful that no intellectualised "system" thought can withstand the onslaught of LOVE for PARADISE. This is what LOVE FOR LIFE is all about. LOVE is CHRIST and CHRIST is LOVE. Anti-life is Anti-Christ = "The System". Kindom IS The Garden Of Eden.

Do you comprehend all this Raymond?

Because if you do then what are you doing about Paradise?

We all have to walk-the-talk of Paradise Raymond.

It is through the co-creation of FOOD FORESTS that reconstructs all the missing pieces to our shattered reality. We left the Garden of Eden to fall into hell ("The System") and it's through reconstructing the Garden of Eden = FOOD FORESTS that we bring forward the WHOLENESS of the dream of life that is who we all really are.

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO DO IT.

When we left Paradise we gave up taking full responsibility for our lives because FOOD FORESTS provided EVERYTHING we need to be FREE. So when we left FOOD FORESTS we gave up our true freedom to become slaves under the power and force of other men and women whose non-sensory images elevated them to a "God" status, and it's ONLY through reconstructing FOOD FORESTS that we restore our true FREEDOM and are no longer slaves.

Recreating KINDOMS of FOOD-FORESTS is the ONLY BOYCOTT method that works to bring down and completely dissolve the instrument of our shattered reality that is "The System".

Co-Creating Food Forests with each other is the living example of the ONLY remedy which heals ALL MANS woes.

As you can SENSE, FOOD FORESTS IS THE SPIRITUAL CONNECTION BETWEEN US. LIFE is in the food forests - Life s not in "The System" or in boycotting "The System" without KINDOMS OF FOOD FORESTS FOR MAN/us to return to.

Yes we are all severely compromised BUT it's ONLY selfishness and greed that stops us taking FULL-RESPONSIBILITY to get out of this mess. Life is a team effort and it will take a team effort of MAN seeing Life as the gift of life to get us all out of this mess. It is too challenging for most of us to do it all on our "own". If we don't get past the self-centeredness that makes us greedy and selfish = "i","i", "i", "mine", "mine", "mine", "own", "own", "own"........ etc, we will always require "The System" glue to bind us all together as "ONE" slave, "ONE" race, "ONE" creed, "ONE" culture, "ONE" system, etc = New World Order. Paradise unhinges us from "the system" glue. Which path do you want to be on, Kindom or "Oneness"? Boycotting "The System" without a FOOD FOREST to back you, without a tribe of MAN - Kindom to fall back on will lead everyone into the New World Order.

LIFE is CHRIST - LIFE is LOVE - LOVE is CHRIST - CHRIST is the PASSION of MAN.

13 May at 14:23

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, Life is NOT a Team Effort for such team effort requires organization which is dependent upon Satanic Thought. Hence, you create another system, do you not? I agree with what you and Fiona are doing to live free. However, I also see that impish seduction raising its head of requiring support for your work by other beings. Truth is the essence of Oneness, Wholeness, Harmony with What Is. Dualistic thought is antithetical to such harmony, although if millions adopted the movement of self-sufficiency without drawing upon the combined energy of others, A different world not based in Satanic thought control would emerge. That is The True state of Christ Consciousness. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 14:25

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Arthur Cristian

Raymond as you can see/sense, Arthur has answered your question clearly and powerfully.
May you contemplate on what you have written and see how TRUTH applies.

13 May at 14:26

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Arthur Cristian

Through SENSE we serve the dream of LIFE and this co-creates a team effort.

13 May at 14:27

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Arthur Cristian

We cannot be a team effort when we are lost to dualistic thoughts. It is the passion for the dream of LIFE that has us serve the dream of life without being part of an intellectualised man-made thought system. Do you have to jump 10 feet across a room to grab your next breath? Hasn't the team effort of LIFE already provided you with everything you need to be FREE here and now in present-sense?

13 May at 14:31

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, Fiona, I don't need to team up with you to express Truth. Have been doing it for years. Can you not see that we have complimented each other without any willful, or intellectual design. That is Truth in Operation. I'm OK with it. Why are you Not??? Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 14:30

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Arthur Cristian

Because a food forest is the legacy of our descendants true freedom. Without it they are slaves as we all still are, sucking on the nipples of the private corporations to survive (not live free), to be dumbed down and stupid using dualistic thoughts to communicate distortion between us and the use of prosthetics to keep us as invalids. We have a conscience to not let this madness continue. The buck stops with us.

13 May at 14:37

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Arthur Cristian

The food forest is the gateway out of hell Raymond.

13 May at 14:39

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur what you are describing is "MAN'S FALL FROM GRACE." His fall from direct perception of Truth and descent into the abyss of Intellectual thought. Such major shift in Consciousness from Truth to Illusion, from What Is to the thought, the reflection of what is, is the event which cursed man to be a slave to thought. Through such mechanism, Civilized man sold his soul for empty promises. What you are doing is True, and I have no problem with it. You just can't leave it there. You are compelled to create another system. That is the ultimate Illusion that you and Fiona must seriously examine before selling it to others. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 14:41

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Arthur Cristian

When the Food forest provides everything for everyone all of the "time" then we are all free to be MAN unique, no longer having to be under the image of another MAN. Refer to the water post put up on this FB wall "yesterday".

13 May at 14:42

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Raymond Karczewski

Does such Food Forest exist here and now. Or is it merely an ideal that requires a collective mind TO BECOME A REALITY. Do you not see the difference between Truth and Illusion? Arthur, I am perceiving the subtlety of a power play emerging that always accompanies organized thought. I have no interest in engaging in such behavior. I can only shine the spotlight of Truth upon such activity. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 15:02

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Arthur Cristian

Raymond, MAN is having difficulty getting past "self" as in "i'", "mind", "own" - "ownership", "belief", etc, but when MAN awakens to this dualistic thought, NO MAN-made "system" thought is required to govern the ways and hows of MANS Life. There is NO "self" to govern anymore because MAN is no longer in the shadows of another MANS projection of dualistic thought. Now MAN is standing in the glorious radiant sunlight of MANS Love For Life, of MANS co-creation of a living Paradise/Kindom.

It is ONLY while under the "spell" of another MAN'S shadow-making that MAN-MADE enslavement systems come about.

Do you not see/sense this Raymond?

With Food Forests all-around everything is provided for everyone, meaning no loss of uniqueness/originality is caused anymore. It also means we no longer need barter, trade, commerce, money, ownership over land, etc, etc, leading down and down this fallen brainwashing spiral "state" into the addiction and enslavement to dead-corpse prosthetics as electricity, gas, petrol, cars, trucks, planes, trains, telephones, internet, computers, governments, insurance, private corporations, the bar, churches, religions, air conditioning, heaters, cooked food, kitchen appliances, bathrooms, etc, all requiring slaves and rulers of men, women and children brainwashed under the shadows of man-made dualistic thought projections telling/instructing them/us to give up (sell out) our/MANS body to naturally provide everything we need in co-creation with all sensory life-forms of nature.

We were supposed to be living with FULL-RESPONSIBILITY but we can't do this when others are providing what you need making them slaves to you and an addict out of you dependent on them. To break this horrific chain reaction spell requires the co-creation of living food forests so that MAN can be free again to contemplate on the bigger picture where MANS body does everything again, no longer requiring prosthetics to somehow maintain connection with each other. Our ancestors used to be 30 something feet tall, they communicated with each other through the water of our/MANS breath, they can shift (deconstruct and reconstruct) their cells across vast distances as an instant, they could run vast distances at great speed that would shame Usain Bolt...... etc, etc, the benefits of true freedom are beyond most of MANS present comprehension Raymond. Thanks to food forests all around, thus MAN is truly free and no longer distracted to the grinds of dualistic system thoughts, then comes MANS reconstruction of MANS "former"/forgotten glory.

As we start remembering who we really are we start changing the climate and start guiding nature to do whatever is required for our living Paradise.

13 May at 15:35

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Arthur Cristian

Without Food Forests MAN cannot be. MAN is Earth and Earth is MAN, The consciousness of the dream of LIFE is the responsibility of MAN to be that consciousness in PRESENT SENSE. It is because we gave up MANS consciousness falling into the lies of dualistic thought where the illusion of shadows were tricking us, giving us the impression they are true when in fact they were just a mirage, is where everything went arse-about. There is nowhere where sensory life ends and MANS spiritual life begins, meaning there is nowhere where Earth ends and MANS spiritual divinity begins, or, there is nowhere where water ends and MANS spiritual life continues under another more spiritually refined guise. All this type of thinking is madness and bullshit.

13 May at 15:37

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Arthur Cristian

Raymond, present sense (LIFE) does not require a collective mind to BECOME a reality. Present sense already exists regardless of how many hide and seek games MAN can come up with to get around this fact. Without present sense (life) there is no air to breathe, no water to drink, no senses to touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see. We already are everything and so much more, far far far beyond most of dumbed-down MANS present comprehension. Do we have to believe in a tree before we can sense the tree? What came first the chicken or the egg? or the mother or the baby? Can you see the dualistic thought in this?

13 May at 15:31

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Arthur Cristian

The illusion are thoughts that cannot be backed with substance/SENSE/SENSORY-LIFE in present-sense.

13 May at 15:27

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Arthur Cristian

The power play is of YOUR OWN making Raymond because you are an addict to "The System, still sucking on the nipples of the private corporations for your wants, still needing slaves and rulers so you can have what you now have and do what you now do. We recognise that we are all severely compromised but we show a way out of this compromised "State". We don't see where harms ends and paradise begins with your present offerings. This is not an attack on the living MAN that you are Raymond - just revealing FACTS as they stand here and now. Prove what we say is false. And if you can't then reconsider the remedy you are offering because we see it full of holes and we have sunk your ship (remedy). We go where truth takes us, we do not live for beliefs or self glory. We see the fact that while MAN is lost in dualistic thought they (and we) make prisoners of our children and descendants to come. We live to break this spell so that all of MAN is free forevermore. Is there any harm-doing living for this, standing up for this, etc????? It is sad for us to sink the ships of brothers and sisters that we love and have great respect for but we have to if we are to get to the point where we can hold hands and walk to paradise together.

13 May at 16:12

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Arthur Cristian Copy/paste from the other post........

The key is to sense/realise that there is no outside or inside to water, no within or without to water, no beginning or end to water, that all is water, that there is nowhere where water is not. There is nowhere where water ends and something more spiritually refined begins. We are talking about a living creator here where living creator has always been, where living creator is present-sense, where living creator is life, that water is life, that water is the essence of living creator that is MAN and everything of MANS dreaming called Nature/Earth, all of living-creator = LIFE.

Everything to do with near death experiences is occurring ONLY in water.

There is nothing else apart from water.

Whatever has claimed to be spirit or soul or something else more spiritually refined is just man-made thoughts and ideas that are non-sense/sensory images set into motion as/in water, given the appearance of containing pure and sincere uncorrupted water; this is fraud. We/MAN are at the effect of each other's non-sensory images, ancestors and descendants, set into motion as/in water. Nothing else is going on. Water is now also used as the dumping ground of non-sensory images to corrupt/distort water.

This is what the nut-case "priest" (the founding father/the grand architect of "The System") did "long-ago" in his-story (his dreaming - his song of life) to cause MAN to forget who MAN really was and what MAN really is part of, because when and if this happens, using free will, MAN will commit spiritual suicide which is what happens to billions of lost-MAN becoming the dark-energy of non-sensory images (darkness) corrupting/distorting water.

Darkness does not exist; it's a fantasy, and fantasy, illusion and delusion (non-sensory images) lead, instruct, guide, seduce, tempt, educate MAN to commit spiritual-suicide, to withdraw life (pure and sincere water) from the sensory of image/dream of that MAN. For example. when we make concrete, plastic, steel, microwaves, radiowaves, etc, we are withdrawing the water from life, as in the trees, valleys and mountains we destroy.

We withdraw life when we teach our children a, b, c, 1, 2, 3. The intellect is the tool of MANS death, of MANS fall from perfection into a "state" of imperfection that leads MAN to commit suicide. ALL thoughts/images of the intellect, of the mind, person, strawman, ego, individual and sub-conscious cannot be found/sensed. They are just made up and do not exist; there is no LIFE/WATER embodied in these images to be present with the presence of LIFE/WATER.

To corrupt nature is to distort/destroy/change the original breath that is water set into motion in the sensory images of nature, inanimate or not. Every thought/image of "The System" is this darkness that MAN creates and sets into motion to destroy the dream of LIFE, to remove the pure and sincere/original breath/water out of the natural-sensory images of living creator/LIFE. The intellect is the cancer that MAN spreads to kill MAN/Nature/Earth.

Everytime we breath out we are either creating water to co-create and expand the dream of Life or to forget it so that we commit suicide and those impressionable enough to believe/fall into these intellectualised images of death can also commit suicide too. Harming nature/earth is killing MAN.

Love Arthur

13 May at 16:13

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Raymond Karczewski

Truth is Self-Evident, The Thought of Truth is subject to Proof.

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur states: "Prove what we say is false. And if you can't then reconsider the remedy you are offering because we see it full of holes and we have sunk your ship (remedy)."

Arthur, by such a statement, you have sunk NOTHING but your own motives behind your words, revealing the true spirit of intellectual manipulation of words which fit an agenda and once uttered, cannot be dismissed.

And so, my perceptions are confirmed by you Arthur in your response to me. What you are engaging in, and have been engaging in is a Power Play, one that I, this simple man of Truth, this Christ am not in the least interested toward participating in. You might be asking yourself Why?

It is an absolute fact that TRUTH IS SELF-EVIDENT, an holistic (holy) energy that exists beyond the limited realm of Satanically imposed (programmable) Intellectual Thought and therefore it does not require nor is subject to proof. In other words, that which is self-evidence is clearly seen to be an energy beyond the lower level of consciousness of a linear, time-bound, dualistic, opposing Intellect.

As such Truth is an holistic energy that CANNOT and NEED NOT be subject to the mechanistic, Intellect playing with its own satanic illusions called PROOF. It is also a self-evident fact that only the IDEA of TRUTH is that which is subject to the concept of proof through logical scientific systems of thought manipulation established by the satanic Intellect.

I leave it for all to see, and feel the energy behind our words, for it clearly defines like non other which energy is holistic and which is fragmented and systematic in its nature. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 17:07

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Arthur Cristian

Raymond Karczewski said "Arthur, have you discerned the spiritual connection that exists between us -- that which complements truth?. You express Truth in logical explanation which is acceptable to the Intellect, but does not quite deliver one to it, while I express the Truth that is beyond words and can only be felt. Intellects can argue with you finding their anchor in the arena of belief ridden intellects, but they CANNOT argue with WHAT THEY FEEL WITHIN THEIR OWN LIMITED CONSCIOUSNESS. Each points to the incapacity of the limited, dualistic Intellect to grasp holistic (nondualistic) Truth."

Raymond Karczewski said "Arthur, Life is NOT a Team Effort for such team effort requires organization which is dependent upon Satanic Thought. Hence, you create another system, do you not? I agree with what you and Fiona are doing to live free. However, I also see that impish seduction raising its head of requiring support for your work by other beings. Truth is the essence of Oneness, Wholeness, Harmony with What Is. Dualistic thought is antithetical to such harmony, although if millions adopted the movement of self-sufficiency without drawing upon the combined energy of others, A different world not based in Satanic thought control would emerge. That is The True state of Christ Consciousness."

Raymond Karczewski said "Arthur, Fiona, I don't need to team up with you to express Truth. Have been doing it for years. Can you not see that we have complimented each other without any willful, or intellectual design. That is Truth in Operation. I'm OK with it. Why are you Not???"

Raymond Karczewski said "Arthur what you are describing is "MAN'S FALL FROM GRACE." His fall from direct perception of Truth and descent into the abyss of Intellectual thought. Such major shift in Consciousness from Truth to Illusion, from What Is to the thought, the reflection of what is, is the event which cursed man to be a slave to thought. Through such mechanism, Civilized man sold his soul for empty promises. What you are doing is True, and I have no problem with it. You just can't leave it there. You are compelled to create another system. That is the ultimate Illusion that you and Fiona must seriously examine before selling it to others."

Raymond Karczewski said "Does such Food Forest exist here and now. Or is it merely an ideal that requires a collective mind TO BECOME A REALITY. Do you not see the difference between Truth and Illusion? Arthur, I am perceiving the subtlety of a power play emerging that always accompanies organized thought. I have no interest in engaging in such behavior. I can only shine the spotlight of Truth upon such activity."

Raymond, How do all these things you are saying apply in our everyday practical life?

How do we live truth when we are still using "The System"?

When you talk about the fall from grace, or the spiritual, where are they?

How do they apply in everyday life, in practical, logical sense?

We become so good at philosophising that we can easily forget how to bring things to a practical doable level. While we are philosophising, we are not creating the practical doable path to freedom, we are not creating means whereby we no longer need "The System" so that we can truly boycott, boycott, boycott.

How do we walk the talk of boycott when we are not creating our living food and our shelter and taking care of the living water so that it is clean.

We talk about life being a team effort. If this is not so, then how does nature work so intricately and perfectly? All the life forms of nature contribute to create the whole of nature. Being a team does not mean we have to be in an intellectualised system together.

It means that we have the goal of repairing all the damage and getting back to living do no harm lives, but there are an infinite number of ways to do this. We have to take full-responsibility for the harm that we are all responsible for because, if we do not repair the damage, we cannot be free. We are not free until we all are free and all life forms of life are free from harm. Philosophising, talking and writing truths alone does not get us all out of this mess. We have to walk-the-talk of freedom, peace, etc, through a practical doable everyday way of life we all live for and benefit from each others efforts in living this way.

Together we created the mess, together we must fix it.

Look at this man in India. He has been repairing the damage for 30 years, working on his own as a team player with nature. He did not need an intellectualised system to do it, he just took full-responsibility and did it. He provided a vast abundance of life for the benefit of a vast amount of myriad sensory life-forms, meaning just one MAN turned 1360 acres of desolation into a living food forest that can NOW provide an abundance of living food for a whole tribe of MAN and so much more. Imagine if we all did this. Would we not be team players because we are all working towards the same goal of abundance for all even though we have no intellectualised system of rules, etc, in place.

How does MAN become truly free, which means free from needing other men and women to slave for his/her needs?

How do we live this in our everyday lives?

In practical doable sense, the fall from grace is the fall from the food forest which provides us with our grace because we are free with unique, original thoughts and do not need others to slave for us. How can a man have grace when that MAN's brain has been conquered and enslaved by another MANS instruction of how that MAN should be thinking and feeling and acting all the while living in a food forest or what remains of one if any?

What we are doing is making everything practical and doable in everyday life.

You want to be free - well you can start by creating a food forest for you and your neighbours to share. Now you are heading towards true freedom from shopping. Installing water tanks so you no longer have water bills. Training your body to thrive on raw living food so that you can live purely from the food forest and tolerate more temperature extremes, cutting down on reliance on power companies and no longer needing doctors and medication because your body is strong and fit. And no longer needing the entertainment of television and video games because there is so much entertainment in the food forests and with the animals. And no longer needing education because the education happens in the food forest. And we don't need Barbie dolls and teddy bears because we are no longer dumbed down babies taught to live out of our emotions, playing with dead prosthetics. Building bonds with others who also want freedom so that you start to form a tribe that will stand up for the tribe when those of "The System" send in their force. Together we can tell them that they are no longer wanted or needed and that they can either go away or put down their weapons and do something useful, such as mixing the compost.

What are the practical, everyday steps that your remedy of boycott, boycott, boycott is offering that men and women can start to put into everyday practical doable practice, compromised as they are, to create true freedom in their lives and the lives of those around them?

How do we walk the talk of grace?

Of boycott, boycott, boycott?

Of being a Christ?

You say you are a Christ, Raymond, but you are still reliant on "The System" as nearly all of us are.

The fall from grace is when we gave up growing up in nature and forming our unique/original thoughts through our interactions with nature. The moment we get one MAN saying, "Now see here, this is how things are....." we have fallen from grace.

Do you get the drift Raymond..............?????

It appears you mistake our passion for confronting confusion and straightening crooked paths by labeling what we do as "I am perceiving the subtlety of a power play emerging that always accompanies organized thought. I have no interest in engaging in such behaviour. I can only shine the spotlight of Truth upon such activity."

Can you see your bullshit in all this Raymond?

Have we not shined the spotlight on your misgivings?

And provided a practical way out of just philosophising truth by giving life to the walk-the-talk of our everyday freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance..........?

We love you mate but we are not going to sit back and take the crap you throw at us just because you are very good at philosophising truth. Currently as it stands, we see you admitting that you are trapped in dualistic thought because you are unwilling to give up everything that makes others slaves for you and you an addict to them and the intellectualised services they provide in the forms of supermarkets, petrol stations, internet companies, etc. We get it if there is a light at the end of the tunnel but we don't yet see one amongst all your philosophies (intellectual thought). This is why we say we don't see where harm ends and paradise begins in your work up to now. We stand by everything we have said here and we've known you since 2005. This is not a quick summation of what we think about your present attitudes Raymond. Many years of observation and contemplation have been going on with you and your writings. Now it's "time" to RAISE THE BAR....... Wake up Mate.

13 May at 17:37

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, I am content to leave your words where they stand, and my words where they stand. At no time have I attacked you. I have mirrored your words, your actions, but never have I attacked you. Can the same be said for you? Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 17:37

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Arthur Cristian

You are lying Raymond.

13 May at 17:39

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Arthur Cristian

Also, we've updated our previous post, suggest you refresh the webpage.

13 May at 17:40

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Arthur Cristian

You come across as a smart arse Raymond.

13 May at 17:42

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Arthur Cristian

We don't hold you to this, its just the way you choose to show up here and now.

13 May at 17:43

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Raymond Karczewski

My goodness, isn't it fascinating how rapidly our relationship is deteriorating. It sounds like you are panicking. Why not let our words stand as they are without the need for cosmetic repair. Are you observing the runaway train that you have set into motion? Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 17:43

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Arthur Cristian

You are hiding behind your philosophies Raymond, using them as shields to protect your inadequacies of not being able to take FULL-RESPONSIBILITY for the boycott, boycott, boycott, you so strongly promote. You still want slaves and rulers. You still want loss of uniqueness and originality for MAN. This is clearly revealed in your posts in this thread. You do not offer a practical doable approach to getting all of us out of this mess.

13 May at 17:47

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Arthur Cristian

From our "side", our relationship with you has not deteriorated, instead it has gotten stronger. We still love you and respect you as much as we have always loved you. If someone comes to harm you we will do everything in our power to protect you and help you get out of such harm-doing binds. But comes a time when you need a dressing down and you just got one, you pig headed stubborn ex pro heavyweight boxer, who we love and respect very deeply....... LOL. It is love uncompromised, non-diluted love sharing immense passion with you here Raymond.

13 May at 17:53

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, you are correct in that observation, I do not engage in the act of COUNTERCONDITIONING, or reprogramming of the Intellect for such is the realm of Satanic Mind Control. I stand on the outside of the Intellectually created fictional Civilized world and point out its true effect upon Civilized man. It seems I am still dealing with the Living Dead. All this, notwithstanding your attempt at damage control. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 17:55

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Arthur Cristian

And this is WHY you don't WALK-THE-TALK the remedy that gets ALL of MAN out of this mess. Currently, it's still ALL in your head but you won't direct the passion of Life to co-create a practical doable way of life without "The System", without HARM to MAN and MANS Earth. Yes, we can all be smart to defeat the beast in their courts, BUT this still ain't a remedy for the billions of us compromised by the fact that they are severely discriminated against because they are different, they don't have the makeup to do what you and Arthur can do in their courts, etc, and never should they have to. The remedy must be a win win for all without burdening anyone by discriminating against them. It is useless trumpeting our heroics and victories in their stupid courts if the majority still find it extremely difficult to comprehend legalese or handle the pressure and trickery that goes on inside them, yet alone the fears that most don't have the nous to contend with either. This is why we are saying to you that your boycott, boycott, boycott remedy is USELESS. Please don't take this personally, we are not attacking you, the living MAN. We are just sharing truths with you as we see it and we can back this up with facts which you will clearly see/witness by contemplating over what we have written in this thread.

13 May at 18:03

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Raymond Karczewski

Fiona, why are you not content to stop your runaway momentum and let our words speak for themselves. At every opportunity you modify and continue to prolong the inevitable observation/conclusion by the public as to whose words ring with Truth. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 18:10

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Arthur Cristian

Raymond you are admitting to being deluded when you say this "It seems I am still dealing with the Living Dead. All this, notwithstanding your attempt at damage control." This is bullshit. You just made it up. Back your claims now. Please bring forward incontrovertible first party to first party evidence to back them. Be sure that you are clear about your intentions otherwise you are practising black magic here, attempting to impersonate our characters laying claims that you know what our true intentions are in what we have written here in this thread, saying that what you have written about our intentions are actually ours, when in fact they are not, you just made them up. Hijacking/kidnapping someones character to impersonate them "It seems I am still dealing with the Living Dead. All this, notwithstanding your attempt at damage control." is heavy duty stuff Raymond, are you sure you want to continue down this path?

13 May at 18:14

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Arthur Cristian

TRUTH is practical & doable. We have shared with you aspects of "The Steps Of Kindom" here in this thread which clearly reveals a simple, practical, doable approach with getting rid of "The System" and co-creating a win win remedy that provides freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, do no harm for all of life, no loss of uniqueness/originality for everyone/everything, no slaves and rulers and no WACO scenarios. You claim that you have presented TRUTH here in this thread, well we have yet to witness a practical doable remedy that is a way of life for MAN to achieve freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, do no harm for all of life, no loss of uniqueness/originality for everyone/everything, no slaves and rulers and no WACO scenarios. There is NO truth coming from you Raymond if what you say can't be applied in everyday practical sense to achieve peace and freedom etc for all.

13 May at 18:21

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Arthur Cristian

The way we see it is this...... if there was just ONE truth passed down through all the generations since ALL religions, philosophies, "systems", new age, laws, courts, royalty, education, etc, began and came and went, you would think by now that we would all be living in Paradise but that ain't the case and we throw what you are offering in the same basket. WHY? Because their is NO passion, no LIFE in the images you present to set MAN free forevermore. We have thousands and thousands of "great" men and women coming and going out of MANS lives, as recorded across the ages until today, books, etc, promoting and sharing their wisdom, but still we don't see any effect coming from any of them to have MAN live in paradise here and now and in this light unable to walk the talk of Paradise, you are not a living Christ yet Raymond and neither are we. But when Kindoms are up and running and we are living in them then only then is it true that we are living Christ's. Currently, we are just having "ourselves" on (wanking) when we think like that. Internet keyboard warriors without a living food forest Kindom and tribes of MAN all around them serving the dream of Life to back it is fantasy-land stuff Raymond.

13 May at 18:31

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Arthur Cristian

We have mirrored your words beyond your present comprehension Raymond - you can't walk-the talk of true freedom for all. This is what we have mirrored here for you and is FACT. Prove what we have shared here is false. We have just concentrated on your written English words and the meanings they describe in the Oxford (and other) dictionaries and nowhere do we find a compilation of words that clearly demonstrates a way forward for how ALL of MAN can get out of "The System".

We are ONLY interested in REMEDY Raymond.

Do you have one?

Or do you only have a mirror for others to look into to see how messed up we all are while some of us continue putting the labour in to open up pathways where we can clean up all the mess caused in "The System" by our support and compliance to it?????

We are glad for you to offer a mirror service Raymond. It's great to do this so we can all be reminded of how big a mess we all are in, to help get a kick in the ass while we get on with the dirty work of co-creating Kindoms. Maybe your mirror has a purpose after all. Shame it don't make the sun shine or help to grow food or make the clouds rain or cause breezes to gently sway branches to drop their juicy fruits to the ground or make the birds sing or create shelter to rest our weary bodies after a hard days work. Please do let us know when we can next gaze into your mirror Raymond. We never want to forget just how lost we've been in the reflections of man-made mirrors.

And we are still waiting for the mirror service you hold to bring forward the evidence/substance of your claims. So far all we have received from you is TALK.

WE can assure you Raymond, that you got it all wrong about this one. You made the claim, so please back it up. We have backed up everything we have said about your work thus far. What about you?

13 May at 18:58

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Raymond Karczewski

Do Not Presume to Threaten a Christ

Arthur do not presume to threaten a Christ, a Simple Man of Truth. You and Fiona are laboring hard at that, and where is it getting you?

That much is self-evident for my words are my action are my Truth. And one who is blind to the Truth must necessarily dally about in setting Satanic traps to obfuscate, obliterate, misdirect.

I make NOTHING UP for it is the Essence of Truth Itself which is expressed and unfolds through me. The word truth is not Truth. YOu and I must use words to communicate. That is the Satanic flaw that is experienced through language. Words become a hindrance to understanding. That is why Truth cannot be accessed via the use of Intellectual words.

You can accept what I say or reject it. I do not place any obligation upon anyone to believe me. I only expose themselves to my words. Neither you, Fiona or anyone else is capable of altering the Truth expressed in my words. You cannot twist and manipulate me in your demand to prove that which is beyond proof, and that which can only be accessed via Direct Perception of its Self-Evident State of Consciousness. I have been under attack for the last 18 years, yet my attackers come and go, but I remain untouched by it all. What else but Truth itself can make such a claim?

Ask yourselves who UNDERSTOOD Jesus of Nazareth in His time. He spoke to the people of His time in parables because their satanically controlled Intellects were incapable of grasping or being exposed to the unadorned Truth.

Arthur, Fiona, give it a rest before you destroy any further credibility that you may have once had and have not already lost through your silly quest for power. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 19:00

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Arthur Cristian

Scrutiny of what you say is not a threat Raymond. Where are the words written in this thread that clearly describes our intention to threaten you?????

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Brett Anderson

"That much is self-evident for my words are my action are my Truth"...."The word truth is not Truth"......"Words become a hindrance to understanding. That is why Truth cannot be accessed via the use of Intellectual words."....." I only expose themselves to my words" ~ Raymond I get a sore brain working through all your contradictions.

13 May at 19:15

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Arthur Cristian

Raymond Karczewski said "Arthur, you are correct in that observation, I do not engage in the act of COUNTERCONDITIONING, or reprogramming of the Intellect for such is the realm of Satanic Mind Control. I stand on the outside of the Intellectually created fictional Civilized world and point out its true effect upon Civilized man. It seems I am still dealing with the Living Dead. All this, notwithstanding your attempt at damage control."

Do you see the hypocrisy Raymond?

Does your caravan plug into electricity and other services of "The System"?

Do you still rent money, credit cards, etc?

Do you still rent internet, telephone, etc?

Do you still buy petrol?

Do you still buy food from supermarkets?

We could ask you many many do's here but again do you see the hypocricy of the words you have written in this post here.............. "I stand on the outside of the Intellectually created fictional Civilized world and point out its true effect upon Civilized man. It seems I am still dealing with the Living Dead. All this, notwithstanding your attempt at damage control."????

13 May at 19:15

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Arthur Cristian

Again we ask you........

Scrutiny of what you say is not a threat Raymond.
Where are the words written in this thread that clearly describes our intention to threaten you?????

13 May at 19:17

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur Cristian wrote: Raymond you are admitting to being deluded when you say this "It seems I am still dealing with the Living Dead. All this, notwithstanding your attempt at damage control." This is bullshit. You just made it up. Back your claims now. Please bring forward incontrovertible first party to first party evidence to back them. Be sure that you are clear about your intentions otherwise you are practising black magic here, attempting to impersonate our characters laying claims that you know what our true intentions are in what we have written here in this thread, saying that what you have written about our intentions are actually ours, when in fact they are not, you just made them up. Hijacking/kidnapping someones character to impersonate them "It seems I am still dealing with the Living Dead. All this, notwithstanding your attempt at damage control." is heavy duty stuff Raymond, are you sure you want to continue down this path?

Arthur wrote: And we are still waiting for the mirror service you hold to bring forward the evidence/substance of your claims. So far all we have received from you is TALK.

Raymond wrote: I do not speak for the millions of sheeple who are considered by the New World Order to be Useless Eaters, and those whom I call the "Living Dead." I am free, I am Truth, I am Sovereign and I Speak and Act from such Truth.

The Living Dead, the Useless Eaters cannot grasp such Truth. They are incapable of that. They need to be reinforced in their conditioning for their ideas to survive as their source of consciousness is based in rote-memorization and such memorization must be sustained by repetitious story telling. That service is provided by pulpit spouting priests who reinforce their conditioning every Sunday. These are programmable robots whom I don't care to service.

Arthur said "WE can assure you Raymond, that you got it all wrong about this one. You made the claim, so please back it up. We have backed up everything we have said about your work thus far. What about you?"

13 May at 19:35

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Arthur Cristian

There is NO HARM here Raymond, lies are bullshit, this is fact. Scrutiny is scrutiny. We are just scrutinising the words you have used in this thread Raymond. Again, we say "Scrutiny of what you say is not a threat Raymond. Where are the words written in this thread that clearly describes our intention to threaten you?????" Where is the attack upon the living MAN that you are Raymond?

13 May at 19:38

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Raymond Karczewski

Raymond States: Arthur, Fiona, It is there for those who have the "eyes to see and ears to hear." I do not engage in semantic contests or arguments and you cannot enveigle me in your need for contest. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 19:43

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Arthur Cristian

OUR INTENTION are the appropriate words here. You can add all your "own" meanings to whatever words, sentences, paragraphs we use BUT this is still not the basis of TRUTH Raymond. You have made the claims that you know what our true intentions are so we ask you for this proof. You have yet to bring forward any proof. We liken this black-magic phenomena to dipping a pure white shirt into a bucket of mud and taking it out again. The bucket of mud is your meanings derived of your past and the white shirt is our words/words directed at you. Where is OUR bucket of mud you CLEARLY say that demonstrates our intention to do harm to (threaten) you????

13 May at 19:46

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Arthur Cristian

"Raymond Karczewski said "It is there for those who have the "eyes to see and ears to hear." I do not engage in semantic contests or arguments and you cannot enveigle me in your need for contest."

But that is exactly what you are doing here Raymond. You are showing up as a hypocrite.

13 May at 19:47

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Arthur Cristian

To us we are not into contests Raymond. We just scrutinise ALL information no matter where it comes from and go where the logic of truth takes us. We are reading all your work and we can't find a practical doable remedy that gets MAN out of "The System". If you can't handle scrutiny then maybe it's time for you to retire from the front-line of offering TRUTH services.

13 May at 19:50

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, you are playing with the semantics of the word threaten. By assigning your meaning and not understanding my meaning you are engaged in the fits of argument, are you not? I am responsible for what I say. I am not responsible for what you interpret it to be. When you speak about that which you do not understand, and find you must save face when its intention to defame, to attack that which is not understood is acted upon, that constitutes a Threat. I am not speaking of physical threat that you so much desire to establish as my meaning. Arthur you are being a word twister and in doing so are committing a grave disservice to your reputation. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 19:58

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Arthur Cristian

We ask you again, please bring forward the incontrovertible evidence that demonstrates our intention to do you harm, to threaten you?????

Are you psychic Raymond?

Do you have an "all seeing eye"?

Were you in the room with us when we were writing our sentences to you?

Do you practice black-magic as in remote viewing, remote control and remote projection of images?

Do you practice kidnapping/hijacking the characters of others so you can impersonate them through your mirror, claiming the reflections in the mirror are there's when in fact it was your reflections you projected from this mirror of CHRIST while using it as a shield to hide behind the lie of your "threatening" claims that you made up out of thin air???

THIS IS FACT

Our conscience is clear, what about yours?

We are clearly telling you again, we NEVER had any intention to threaten you when writing the words we chose to communicate with you in this thread. At no "time" did we even consider threatening you. Our ONLY intention was to examine your words/writings more closely, to put them under the magnifying glass so to speak. We are searching for remedy in your work Raymond (as already explained in the thread over and over again) and we CAN'T FIND ANY. This is FACT. The heat you feel/sense is our scrutiny scorching your work. We intentionally scrutinised your work/writings to find remedy and if not to expose the fact that there ain't any there to help get MAN out of "The System". This is FACT!

13 May at 20:25

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, you are being repetitious in you argument, are you not? Repeating something does not make it true. Your demand for remedy lies at the lowest level of man's consciousness, i.e., his intellect. You demand that Truth be described via the logical scientific method which is Satanic in Nature and the epitome of spiritual ignorance. I won't play in your sandbox, I will only expose it. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 20:07

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Arthur Cristian

We are here to help you cure what appears to be an emotional illness Raymond. We have not abandoned you, we are still here in support of you coming clean with us. We have not yet written you off either. We refuse to abandon you Raymond BUT we also refuse to let you get away with lying about us too.

13 May at 20:08

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Arthur Cristian

We added more to the previous post, suggest you refresh the webpage.

13 May at 20:09

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Raymond Karczewski

It would seem that the mask of Arthur and Fiona has slipped away to reveal the true face behind the mask. Arthur and Fiona, you have done yourselves a great disservice in this Thread. One that you may not recover from. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 20:25

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Arthur Cristian

Pride is a big one to overcome Raymond, it appears that pride has gotten the better of you.

13 May at 20:27

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Raymond Karczewski

I am a Nothing, and a Nobody. I seek no power, nor following. Pride therefore has nothing to attach itself to and therefore returns to its sender. You have just demonstrated the phenomenon of Spiritual Mirroring, have you not? Raymond Karczewski.

13 May at 20:31

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Arthur Cristian

You are seriously deluded Raymond. It was in your own writing that reveals the claims you made about us threatening you, etc.

You have been asked to bring forward the evidence of said facts?

And you have brought nothing forward to back them.

We are the innocent party here and yet you claim to be judge and jury over what our true intentions are.

Like we said, we have nothing to hide, but we will expose all forms of non-sense wherever we come across it, especially when non-sense is directed at us.

Yes we have issues to process too, issues that anyone can sense but NEVER do these issues dictate written or otherwise intentions of threatening others who also have issues too.

May you overcome the issues you have Raymond because they blind you deeply to TRUTH/FACT.

Scrutinising of your attitudes that shape what you have written in English here causing us to point out that you are lying/bullshitting about us, about our true intentions and the fact you keep avoiding answering many of our questions, clearly shows you have a serious problem, one that you are obviously in denial of, one that will keep appearing like a monkey on your back, "past, present and future", until you come clean to clean up this bullshit CHRIST act you keep perpetuating as a shield to cover up your delusions of grandeur.

13 May at 20:47

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur states: Scrutinising of your attitudes that shape what you have written in English here causing us to point out that you are lying/bullshitting about us, about our true intentions and the fact you keep avoiding answering many of our questions, clearly shows you have a serious problem, one that you are obviously in denial of, one that will keep appearing like a monkey on your back, "past, present and future", until you come clean to clean up this bullshit CHRIST act you keep perpetuating as a shield to cover up your delusions of grandeur.

Ray: Wow!!! Do your really think you are sounding like a balanced Man and Woman? Arthur you are freaking out. Get a hold of yourself! Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 20:51

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Arthur Cristian

And it is your own spiritual mirroring you have created here Raymond, it was your non-sense claims that were being mirrored here, not ours.

13 May at 20:51

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Arthur Cristian

The possession of darkness is over you Raymond. Unfortunately, you are possessed by a powerful demon called "Christ". This was made VERY CLEAR in this thread.

13 May at 20:54

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, I as a Nothing, a Nobody have Nothing to lose. You on the other hand risk your years of empire building and reputation. Save your word twisting for someone who does not see through you. With each passing comment your remarks become darker and darker. Hell, isn't it? Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 20:56

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Arthur Cristian

"Ray: Wow!!! Do your really think you are sounding like a balanced Man and Woman? Arthur you are freaking out. Get a hold of yourself!"

See, you are lying again, making things up that just don't go on here in the room where we are writing.

13 May at 20:56

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Heck Raymond. Having a go at Arthur now, after all your initial agreement when first meeting on here. Sounds like you assist the shadow and cannot see it, but simply respond to such mirrors with "your of satan I'm of God" Exactly like the Witchfinder generals.

13 May at 20:59

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Arthur Cristian

We have NO empire to build Raymond. Arthur has NO contracts with "The System" ZILCH, Arthur gave them all up years ago. Without the support of "The System" there is no empire to build. With true consciousness there is no empire to build either, why would we want to build an empire when we are already gifted with everything of LIFE only just re-learning how to co-create with life again. On the other hand, Raymond, has contracts with "The System, left, right and center, so it's obvious who is more closely drawn to empire building!

13 May at 21:01

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Arthur Cristian

It is both of us together Raymond. Right now, Fiona has gone walking the dog with our eldest daughter.

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Raymond Karczewski

Fiona, is it not duplicitous to be posting under Arthur's name. It does not contribute to establishing what one says as Truth. Am I being Tag-teamed. Is Arthur taking a nap while you fill in for him only for him to take over when its time for your nap? I do not see your name anywhere which identifies the writer. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 21:09

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Arthur Cristian

Are you implying that Fiona has some deeper issues and Arthur does not?

13 May at 21:09

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Nigel Beckwith

Why do you seek conflict Raymond? Why do you recognise it in others but not in yourself? What do you hope to achieve? To have people sit back and do nothing?

13 May at 21:10

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Raymond Karczewski

Working at creating another misdirecting tangent, are you not? Count me out of your game. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 21:11

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel States: Why do you seek conflict Raymond? Why do you recognise it in others but not in yourself? What do you hope to achieve? To have people sit back and do nothing? Ray: I do not seek conflict for it is all around, everywhere. I merely point to it. It is that which upsets Intellectuals Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 21:13

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Yes run away. The energy of division and conflict flows from you in these times. You don't seem to be sure of what you want in this life. Cannot answer one jot of the questions and concerns that people have about your words and approach. How easy this is? Not helpful Raymond. I hope I speak for Arthur and Fiona too when I say, we could all use some constructive contributions now, especially from those claiming enlightenment for themselves. Even constructive criticism would help.

13 May at 21:14

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Arthur Cristian

WHAT...... "Working at creating another misdirecting tangent, are you not? Count me out of your game." ............ Raymond, we DO NOT PLAY games with anyone. You are seriously deluded mate. You obviously have not taken seriously what has transpired in this thread, writing it all off as a "GAME". Is that what you are implying and have intended? Do you not take FULL RESPONSIBILITY for your actions Raymond? Do you think we enjoy spending "time' on Facebook playing games with people like you???????

13 May at 21:14

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Nigel Beckwith

I hope you find the healing you need Raymond.

13 May at 21:16

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur states: Do you think we enjoy spending "time' on Facebook playing games with people like you??????? rk: The evidence of that is OVERWHELMING. Raymond Karczewski

13 May at 21:17

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Arthur Cristian

Raymond, there are many things people have said about us over the years and we leave everything for all to see because we are not afraid of being seen to be imperfect, of having warts and demons still bugging us, of sometimes making mistakes in how we reply to people because we are tired or pissed off or whatever. We have nothing to hide because are we not all imperfect and the sooner we are willing to admit this and come out in the open about our non-Christ behaviour, the sooner we can heal our lives and the lives of those around us.

And yes, what we write comes from both of us but does this mean that we are always side-by-side at the computer. Fiona has more family duties to attend to than Arthur so she is less likely to be there but she reads what has been written, argues when she doesn't like something, etc, and sometimes Fiona writes stuff while Arthur is in the kitchen or whatever and he comes back and reads it and agrees or doesn't or whatever. We have never made a secret of this. Why we say what we write comes from both of us is because we are on the same track when it comes to our view of the mess we are in and the way out of it and also because we have been writing and refining this stuff for many years so we both comprehend it thoroughly. The Facebook page is in Arthur's name which is why Fiona's doesn't appear. When Arthur writes Arthur and Fiona Cristian at the end of articles, etc it is usually because we have both written them because Fiona is the grammar queen and Arthur the insights man, well, most of the time. Arthur writes most of the quick email replies because he has more time to do so but he puts Fiona's name too because he is re-presenting both of us, and most of the time he is giving links to things we have previously written or recorded together. This is getting long winded for such a petty point but we stand for full disclosure so there it is. We work as a team.

As for building an empire, if you had been reading our work, you would know that is not what we are about because we clearly state the opposite. So perhaps you haven't read enough of our stuff to comprehend clearly where we are coming from. Where we differ a lot is that you seem to see most of the population as not worth reaching out to. We don't. While only a few can use their brains in such a way to handle the courts, etc, everyone can grow a garden. Everybody can share the fruits of their garden with their neighbours. Everybody can stand together when one of their neighbours is threatened by the force of "The System". Everybody can plant trees to reclaim the deserts. And everybody can choose to take responsibility for cleaning up the mess and returning Earth to the Paradise it is dreamt to be. This is why Kindom is a remedy and being an aloof, detached, solitary Christ is not. We are all life and what each of us does affects all of life. We cannot escape this.

To imagine our lives as separate to the lives of those around us, including all of nature, is illusion, delusion and fantasy. If you want proof of this, go and sit in the forest for a while and observe how all the life forms of the forest are affected by the actions of all the other life forms of the forest. It is not about a contest, Raymond, a who is right and who is wrong. It is about all of us being courageous enough to seek truth and stand for truth even if that threatens everything else they have thought was true beforehand.

It is not about attacking you or anyone. It is about finding a way out of the mess. Nothing more. We are unwilling to live in the mess anymore which is why we are doing what we are doing. Perhaps there is a better way but we have not come across it yet. If we do, we will go with that because we are not attached to the method, only to the outcome, which we share with everyone because if everyone has it, then we have it. You have not been able to deconstruct the remedy we offer, you have just taken things personally which was not our intention. We are looking for the way to paradise where we are all Christs, not looking for a man who claims he is a Christ while still being plugged into "The System". This does not mean that we do not learn from you, because we do, or that we do not value you, because we do. It means that we do not think you have a remedy to get us all out of the mess. That's it.

13 May at 22:02

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Arthur Cristian

And here is even more evidence of delusion, of a MAN who claims to be sovereign and a Christ while still heavily contracted to "The System" for almost everything he needs throughout almost all of his present waking life, a MAN who still needs slaves and rulers to provide him with all the benefits and privileges that come with being enjoindered to "The System", a MAN who still needs brainwashed men, women and children to not only give up their uniqueness and originality but also to become the cogs in the wheels of "The System" progress (of civilisation), slaving away so that this so called Christ can think and believe he is sovereign............! This is what this sovereign Christ said.....

" I do not speak for the millions of sheeple who are considered by the New World Order to be Useless Eaters, and those whom I call the "Living Dead." I am free, I am Truth, I am Sovereign and I Speak and Act from such Truth.

The Living Dead, the Useless Eaters cannot grasp such Truth. They are incapable of that. They need to be reinforced in their conditioning for their ideas to survive as their source of consciousness is based in rote-memorization and such memorization must be sustained by repetitious story telling. That service is provided by pulpit spouting priests who reinforce their conditioning every Sunday. These are programmable robots whom I don't care to service."

Raymond, you have clearly proven your mirror works, because you have just described your real factual life as it is. Yes, you have woken up to how things are in "The System" and you have learnt to handle your life so that the force of "The System" leaves you alone, more or less. BUT, you are still the living dead in that you are hooked on "The System", hooked on the credit of The System", the petrol of "The System", the shops of "The System", the electricity of "The System", the dead-processed food of "The System". This clearly reflects the LIVING-DEAD Raymond. We too are still the living dead in many ways - we are not in denial about this. We are still hooked into "The System" in many ways AND we are working towards getting out of "The System" so that we may become living rather than living dead with all those men and women who also want to become living rather than living dead. Generally speaking, most of us are philosophising about getting out of "The System" but not actually doing anything about it. Most people are still waiting for the magic wand that they claim does not exist.

13 May at 22:58

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Arthur Cristian

We just read two emails sent by Raymond for the first time. They are copied below.

Shortly, we will post our reply below as well.

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Raymond Karczewski

30th April 2013

A letter to Arthur and Fiona Cristian Concerning the Dissemination of Truth

Arthur and Fiona,
First of all, I have to applaud your work for it never ceases to amaze me of the energy expended by you and Fiona to communicate with millions, yet the spell which binds them to their satanic conditioning continues while they debate your words with the illusions which already control them. The result: A lot of talk but no action.

Truth, has a different energy to it. It is not seductive, but shocking in its effect upon the spell bound intellect. It has the capacity to bring the momentum of illusion to a halt. It allows for one to take a timeless look at What is, without one's conditioning interpreting it. It stands alone, unsupported by lesser energies. It is new, timeless, unreplicatable, it has a vitality that is imcompatable with the traditional satanic spell bound intellects of millions.

The simple fact is, that If they don't get it, they don't understand your words, they just don't get it, they WILL not understand you. Their field of consciousness is not yet ready to yield the fruit of Truth in their lives. They shall continue to sow the "gmo" seeds of satanic indoctrination which is death to them and their posterity as they reap the consequences of the illusions which grow as a result of their ignorance. That is a fact, that is Truth.

As it is now, I perceive yours and Fiona's energies serve little more than entertainment, a respite, a temporary relief from their current conditioned insanity. How many of your audience have actually taken action to change their lives.

We are coming to a time in our world where Change must occur. But what will that change be? Will it liberate, or will it complete its total enslavement of mankind which has been occurring since Man's Fall from Grace, the birth of the first Civilization based in Intellectual thought and has continued to the present date.

Such change will be determined by individual action. Lives will be liberated or destroyed. The seeds of such outcomes already exist in the individual and its growth awaits the actions taken by individuals.

Life belongs to the action takers, never to the debilitated believers who are immersed in contradictory theories, debate and the like, for such is the satanic seduction which derails truth and fortifies illusions. It has been so and shall always be so as long as man is Intellect directed in his actions. Mankind has lost the ability of Direct Perception, Divine Awareness, which can return this planet to a Heaven on Earth.

One only has to look at the world today with its tyrannical movement toward a New World Order. As each looks at it through their own eyes, they shall see their own destiny unfolding before them. They have the power to change this world, their world, if only they realize it.

I for one, have spent the last eighteen years of my life sharing Truth with others on the Internet who have shown they are not yet ready for it. It has not been wasted effort however, for it has touched a few, but those few shall touch other exponentially. It is effortless and life giving to all those who are ready for life and not death.

I see Arthur, that You and Fiona are following that same path. Do not allow God's Grace that resonates within your words to be extinguished by going beyond the level of communication and adopting the satanic veil of persuasion.

Beware of Satanic seduction. It is subtle indeed.

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ

Wednesday at 18:22

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Raymond Karczewski

15th May 2013

Formula for penetrating illusion and Merge with Truth.
By: Raymond Ronald Karczewski©
A Living Christ

To Arthur and Fiona Cristian, and Spiritual Seekers Everywhere.

For years, you, Fiona, and I have been moving in the same direction on the world wide Internet in awakening a sleeping Populace. It does not take much for anyone to see the difference in our overt, unique and distinct approaches toward such awakening. I readily concede that your intellectual approach has been more successful than mine, mainly because you resonate with the energy of the Intellect and speak their language.

People are more comfortable with dealing with the Known rather than the Unknown. AS such,they lay back a get ready to be entertained. Such is the nature of Satanic conditioning/counter-conditioning. You utilize the time-bound story-telling technique, while my approach is merely to expose people to who and what they are via the Spiritual technique of Mirroring. Your approach to dealing with others who are possessed of partial awareness is to enable them, while you use the lawyer like technique of demanding "material proof" of anything which does not fit in with your theory before you will accept it as Truth.

To the spiritually ignorant, such "scientific" (limited approach to spiritual matters, such grasp of thought-based evidence can be understood and supported. My approach is to Mirror People and allow them to see themselves as they are, as others see them, and it removes them from the illusory belief of "what they think they are". All this occurs in the spiritual, eternal Moment of Now. I do not judge, I do not add or detract, I merely allow their conflicted energies to flow beyond their personal filter of societal conditioning and put a name to it. In other words, I expose to them, their own unawareness of their actions. In our recent thread, you demanded that I present evidence of being threatened by your words. You, and others also challenge the fact that I do not offer any plan of my own that is better than existing plans to change the behavior of Civilized man. As you can see, I gave none. For doing so, would be an act of "reprogramming or counter-conditioning. both of which are based in Satanic Mind control.

The average man is completely unaware of how he is being manipulated through such mind control tactics. What I do as a Christ, a Simple man of Truth, is to just expose them to themselves and leave them to decide for themselves whether to change or not. What you, and others deal with is the Idea of Truth, rather than resonating with the actual energy of Truth situated beyond the grasp of the partially thinking Intellect. It is a shocking energy to be sure.

All ideas are false at the letter of the word expression, but Truth can only be access by going to the spirit behind the word. The letter of the word is subject to, and can be proven, the spirit of the word is Truth. It stands on Its Own and cannot, nor is subject to proof. After all, how can the Whole be subjugated to the Partial, yet isn't that what happens when our fictional, thought-based satanic ruled Servant government foists it self upon its creator, the Sovereign People.

It is such exposure which best describes their unaware behavior that is seen as so offensive to them. What happens when one exposes another to themselves and the latter's energy is reflected as being so negative as to be shocking to those possessed of natural sensibilities. The illusion is destroyed and CHANGE BECOMES THE NATURAL OUTCOME EFFORTLESS. Spiritual seekers will face the pain of their error and move away from it, Satanic ruled people will try to keep such Truth hidden, and fortify themselves withe comfort of the Collective mind. Where you and I have seemingly parted company, occurred recently when I perceived the energies of a "power play" in motion. That is activity which always traps one within the realm of Intellect That is why I addressed the explosive Thread and exposed both you and I equally to the inspection of the people, allowing them to see for themselves the Truth.

What offends people the most about this living man is that they sense I am different from them,-- AND UNQUESTIONABLY, I AM! That is the first test of anyone who is bent on actual spiritual change. Can they relate to the uncertain, uncomfortable unknown or do they lapse into their comfort zone and fall back to draw collective support to their present level of consciousness.

Arthur, Fiona, I hope this clarifies my position. I applaud your work, for it is the best on the net, and your efforts are as good as they get when it comes to bringing change in an "almost, but NO CIGAR" intellectual environment. However, I do not seek power. I do not seek organization, I do not seek a following and I will not become inveigled into it through pressure. Even you must acknowledge the existence of the Unknown. Civilized Society is based in the reflection of Truth, but the reflection can never be anything more than an Illusion, and civilized man lives in that illusion.

The Spiritual Formula for Transcending Hell yet still maintaining contact with it (being in this world but not of it) = NEGATE THE ILLUSION AND ALL THAT IS LEFT IS TRUTH.

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ

Wednesday at 18:25

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Brett Anderson

Raymond seems to be quite the spin master. As I stated earlier, the contradictions flow thick and fast but its all disguised in intellectual rhetoric which is ironic considering his long winded stand against intellectual concepts. I sense dark energies in you Raymond.

Wednesday at 18:48

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Arthur Cristian

Brett, we've known Raymond since 2005. We can assure you that he is a very good hearted MAN. There is no predetermination going on in his thinking to manipulate hurt, abuse, etc, another MAN. Like all of us going through this awakening process, we keep coming up against layers upon layers of brainwashing issues that were used throughout our formative years to shape our characters, attitudes, behaviour, how we think, feel, act, how we approach and handle situations, etc...... You know this to be true Brett. To us, and as it will be explained very simply and clearly in our reply to Raymond, in a few hours or so, he is stuck on processing some very deep seated intellectualised images that have disconnected him from the passion of life, that he really is and has in great abundance.

Basically, he is still really dealing with being hijacked so long ago, something we all know about intimately and can relate to very well. To us, Raymond is one of the most courageous freedom fighters living anywhere across Earth. If you look into his background you will see how gutsy and free spirited this MAN really is. Long hunger strikes while being incarcerated, refusing to give in to FORCE no matter what was thrown at him. He lost his wife and partner over this standing up which started back in the 1990's, possibly early 90's. Basically, Raymond beat them hands down and proved that he was not their "intellectual property" to do what they like with him. They could not compel Raymond to do anything. He is his own MAN". They had to release him from their jail. He established precedence that if there were hundreds of other gutsy men and women around at the time they could have brought down "The System" that ruled the county/state where he lived.

Long ago, Raymond was a Police Sargent in California (possibly Los Angeles) for many years. He was a heavyweight boxer (possibly professionally - can't remember) who we reckon could/would have been world champion if he was supported and not thwarted by the FORCE that runs the fighting industry, etc, back then. Raymond is now in his 70's, possibly late 70's...... can't remember. It was Raymond who told us long ago that "The Thought Of God Is Not God". We will continue to use scrutiny to destroy everything that is a lie but we will never attack the MAN Raymond. Since we started Love For Life March 2005, it was good men (and women) like Raymond who helped make us who we are today. We're now giving back this love/truth he shared with us in bucket loads. May he listen and awaken to what we have to share as we have done with him. It's up to Raymond Karczewski.

Wednesday at 19:25

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Arthur Cristian

Hi Raymond,
We recognise that you have suffered a lot at the hands of "The System" and that what you have achieved in terms of waking up and using your brain to work out how things are is extraordinary. The fight and the passion you had to go on a long hunger strike to protest at your treatment while incarcerated is an example to us all. As we said before, we have learnt a lot from you and will no doubt continue to do so. It is the same relentless determination and passion that keeps us going, regardless of the hardships we endure as a result, not least because we have young daughters and do not wish them to grow up to a life under "The System", especially the NWO version of "The System" we are being herded towards. It is this standing, determination and passion that keeps us searching for remedy and then improving that remedy until, gradually, we, and others who want to, begin to walk the talk of remedy more and more, step by step until we are ready and able to turn our backs on "The System" and be able to truly say that we are free, sovereign and a living-MAN/living-Creator/living-Christ.

Have you lost your fight and passion, Raymond? It seems as though you have. You are very astute in identifying the problems we face and the cause of those problems but you do not have a remedy. "Boycott, boycott, boycott" is not a remedy without practical steps in place to achieve a working boycott of "The System". Saying that we are boycotting "The System" while continuing to suck on the nipples of the private-corporations of "The System" which is all about supporting slaves and rulers and loss of uniqueness and originality to create slaves, is not boycotting "The System". It is continuing "The System" under another guise. GREAT. This is like the slaves who have their mini victories in court thinking they have won something when really they are still slaves with a smile on their faces. But for how long? Sitting around relaxing in their comfy leather sofas spitting cognac into the raging fire, the Freemasonic/Satanic warlocks are laughing their heads off.

Have you not noticed that the remedy of Kindom is the practical guide to boycotting "The System"? Perhaps you don't want to see this because Kindom means you have to put your gun down and stop being a loner, aloof and apart from everyone, and roll up your sleeves and get dirty with the rest of us because this is what we have to do if we, particularly our children/descendants, are ever to be free. Kindom is not just about growing food forests. Kindom is about
de-programming our brains. Kindom is about learning together. It is about asking questions and not giving up until we have worked out the answers to set remedy into motion. A walking, talking, living, doing, practical everyday remedy.

How do we wean our lives from "The System"?
How do we replace "The System"?
How do we learn to be free?
How do we learn to live without leaders and followers?
How do we learn to live with each other peacefully and doing no harm?
How do we learn to connect with nature through our senses again?

You may have given up on your brothers and sisters of life, Raymond, but we haven't and feel it is our responsibility to demonstrate the way out of the mess we are all in, the best we can with what we know and who we are. We do not claim to be perfect and both have our share of system damage and many flaws and failings. But should we wait until we are perfect before daring to say we have a way out of the mess? Should we keep quiet until we measure up to everyone's standards, which will mean never? We welcome scrutiny of our work because it is through scrutiny that we learn but you have not been scrutinising our work, you have been taking pot shots at who we are. Saying we want glory and to be careful we don't slip into the Satanic side when all we are doing is trying to get something going. How about our work, Raymond?

How does a food forest not make sense?

How does being a tribe not make sense?

How does eating raw food not make sense?

How does working together to lighten the burden of cleaning up the mess not make sense?

How does setting up an example of Kindom for others to experience and be inspired by not make sense?

If you can show us how any of this does not make sense, please tell us. But don't knock us just because we are giving it a go. You have not answered the question we have asked of you several times - what is the practical remedy you offer that can be applied in everyday life?

Rather than take pot shots why not contemplate on why we are saying food forests, raw food, tribes, etc.

You seem to have lost your fight and your passion. You have given up on people and you are not moving forward. You are not living the remedy of the Living-Christ because surely the remedy of a Living-Christ is a do no harm way of creating life? Perhaps because your children are grown up now you do not feel the urgency to get things happening, to start the healing. Or perhaps you are just getting "old" worn down by eating cooked processed food, dead animals, dairy products and the weight of many years carrying stress taking its toll.

You would rather be alone, intellectually superior to most but unable or unwilling to shoulder some of the burden we all share. One of the main reasons we started our food forest was because we realise that sitting behind a computer theorising and intellectualising is not actually doing anything. Starting a food forest is a small step and our food forest has been inspirational for many. We have heard from many people who say they are now starting a food forest. The video, "From Bare Dirt To Abundance": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A, about the food forest is our most popular to date. So there are now mini food forests springing up across Earth, thanks to many other videos/books/etc, and not just because of ours - is this not a step towards freedom, a step towards boycott?

You need to heal the emotional damage that has been done to you Raymond so that you no longer have to keep your brothers and sisters at a distance but can join with them to do what needs to be done. Not under a system, not under belief systems but out of a determination to do what needs to be done to clean up. It is the emotional damage (that we all get under "The System") that keeps us from forming bonds with others. It shuts down our creative capabilities which is why we are unable to create sensory life forms as our ancestors did before the fall. Most men and women fear other men and women and fear nature which is why they find it so hard to let go and connect with life, allowing the power of creation to flow through us. We are trapped in thoughts that stop us being creative.

How many years did you spend as the living-dead in "The System" supporting, condoning, consuming and destroying Earth/Nature and MAN? We say all of your natural life thus far. When are you going to start cleaning up all the mess you were complicit with or do you think your present intellectual standing places you on to a higher standing than the rest of us and therefore doing the dirty work is beneath you?

When we have all healed Earth and healed the damage between us so that we are truly free, then you will be able to walk alone (FREE) as MAN on land if this is what you chose to do rather than being with a tribe, but you will be free because you have taken on your part of the FULL-responsibility to heal the damage we have all caused, one way or another, free because you have done your share of the healing.

From Bare Dirt To Abundance
A Year In The Life Of The Love For Life Food Forest

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Arthur Cristian

We have just now read the two emails you sent out on the 30th April and today, 15th May. We didn't see the first one before because our emails from regulars go straight to folders to avoid a completely cluttered inbox. The folders with unread emails show up blue but Arthur doesn't always have time to check every folder so apologies for not having read it earlier.

Life is a dream and there is information in that dream that tells us the purpose of that dream and the purpose of every life form of that dream. If men and women weren't brought up by the Bible, the education, etc, of "The System", and were raised by nature all around them, they would sense clearly the purpose of their lives and the purpose of all of life and would live accordingly, co-creating and expanding the dream of life rather than destroying it at every turn. Men and women today do not know their purpose in the dream of life and we are determined to help men and women come to the point in their awakening so that they can recognise their unique, original purpose and create it. But our true purpose is not selfish and self centred as most of the purposes people find for their lives in "The System" are today, their purpose is for the dream of life because that is who they are.

When we live for nature and for the dream of life, we do not need a system, we do not need rules and regulations because there is already a system in nature which is every life form having its purpose in the co-creation of the dream of life. When all our purposes are combined in a magnificent symphony and this is experienced by a child, the child will be filled with the inspiration and purpose to keep him/her going for a lifetime, eventually eternally. We don't need hierarchies, religions, education or governments. We do not need to be taught alphabet languages. We do not need to be under the image of another MAN. Nature already has it all and more. What we need to do is set up the environment for this to happen, set up a catalyst for it to blossom from. This is how things were before the tribes of MAN were decimated.

So how do we get to the point where we recognise our purpose, without the influence of system brainwashing, of being under the image of another MAN? Step by step, learning more and more with each step. This is where Kindom comes in. Yes, there will have to be some organisational agreements to begin with so that there is some cohesion rather than chaos but this is a transitional tool until we no longer need it; until we have learnt to be truly free. Kindom is a step to help each of us connect with our purpose so that we can live it and pass it down through the generations. How can we pass down being a Christ who mirrors people back to them down through the generations? How does this continue life so that life may become the generations to come? Where is the legacy of mirroring? If your thinking does not provide the continuation of life, then your thinking is dead as in living-dead, as in being-dead. Under our present chaotic circumstances where all of us are severely compromised, if we all just become mirrors for each other, who will grow the food? Who will build the shelters?

To us, living as a "Christ", you are still in the world of your thought. You are not connected with the dream of life or with your purpose in the dream of life. The creation of the tree, of the bird, of the flowers is the legacy that is passed on to our children, without us having to instruct them or indoctrinate them because they learn from their direct interaction with these life forms and form their unique original thoughts through this interaction. This is natural to a child not interfered with by "The System". The thought of the tree was what our ancestors did to create the tree and this was the legacy passed so that the descendants experienced that creation and contemplated on the thoughts of their ancestors and added to them. They gave life (passion) to their thoughts inspired by the thoughts of their ancestors whose life is still in the water that is all of life, as in the bird, the tree and the butterfly, including the celestial bodies. MAN dreamt everything of this dream and MAN is living creator in this dream so MAN is in everything of this dream. The dream is MAN and MAN is the dream. You are not giving life to your thoughts. In general, we have forgotten to create life from our thoughts because we are so shut down. This passion to create life is the same passion that you use to create motion in your body by moving your legs.

Do you realise that, while you are sitting in your caravan typing on your computer, your ancestor created a bird, putting life into the thought of the bird they had dreamt. Can you do this? This is the secret that the Freemasonic/Satanic world does not want us to remember. They want to keep us prisoners of intellectual thought, disconnected from our creative power to create sensory life forms so that, in our emotionally damaged state, we need their system. Even system science says that we only use up to 10% of our brain/senses so imagine what we an do when we reconnect with the other 90% of it. How are you going to learn to create sensory life forms while you are being an intellectual Christ, shut off from nature and your fellow MAN. You say you are different. Are we all not different? Why do you use that as an excuse to keep your life removed from the lives of others? This shows how much they have twisted the information in the Bible and other "spiritual" /"holy" texts. You have been deceived, Raymond. A living Christ is a creator of sensory life forms. A living -dead Christ is trapped in intellectual thought without the ability to create sensory life forms.

All together, with our children and with nature, we have the ability to heal this mess, much faster than most people presently think, but we cannot do this until we learn to reconnect. It is crazy to think that living creator would create MAN as a dumbed down, stupid, shut off version of living creator, a MAN of thought without life. This is like parents deliberately creating their children to be dumber than them. Imagine the consequences of this passed down through the generations. MAN has all the power of living creator because MAN is living creator. This is what is meant by the Son of God but they twisted that, too. We have just forgotten how to be it and co-create with it. Everything of the dream of life has a purpose and when we reconnect with nature, we reconnect with that purpose, but this has nothing to do with being educated under another MAN's thought. When you connect with nature and the bird, you are connecting with the thought of MAN that created that bird and set it into motion as life. But this is not giving up uniqueness or originality because you are using your senses/brain uniquely as a result of all your unique interactions with sensory life forms of life. Connecting with the creation of another MAN's thought does not mean being indoctrinated by it because you are connecting with the life of that thought, not just the thought. When we just connect to the thoughts, we become disconnected from sensory life. Welcome "The System".

Kindom is about taking the steps back to the creation of MAN as living creator so that our children and their children, if not us, will get back to this and heal the damage so fast as to be unimaginable to us now.

If we don't put sensory life into our thoughts, nothing will happen. If you take the life out of the water, it is useless to us. Take the life out of MAN and that MAN is useless to the dream of life. This is where most of us are getting it wrong. Most people are still looking for remedy in thought but not having the passion to set that thought into motion. Instead of giving life to 9/11, conspiracy theories and everything doing harm to MAN and Earth and all the reactions to it stop us from giving life to the dream of sensory life because we are not thinking of the dream. These are not the thoughts they are setting into motion. Instead they are just setting more of "The System" into motion. The Freemasonic/Satanic world spends most of its time casting spells of intellectual thought to keep everyone mesmerised; fashion, sport, politics, sex, food, religion, gossip, etc. The System" is a supermarket with aisles of distractions, enough for everyone to choose from so they think they are free when all they have is choice of intellectual thought. There is always another conspiracy or tragedy or hairstyle to keep us engaged. We are trying to get people to stop wasting their lives on these distractions of intellectual thought. To get out of this mess, we must remember who we really are. Enter Kindom.

Refer to these recent articles/posts ......

Turning Away From The Reflection
Of MANS Looking Glass

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
30th April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8404

Frank O'Collins And His Ucadia
And One-Heaven.org
Worships "The System"
That Is The Beast And Is Hell

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
30th April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8407

You talk about a "power play". Neither of us are seeking power or glory. Neither of us are seeking followers or leaders. In fact there are many other things we would really rather be doing but we do not see another way out of the mess at present. We are not putting our lives on a pedestal, rather saying, "Hey, we have an idea, we have yet to see anything better come along so who wants to give it a go with us?" If something better comes along, we will drop Kindom and move on. We are not attached. And the idea of Kindom will no doubt change as we learn more but it is something concrete that we can DO rather than sitting around doing nothing because we are not fully conscious yet. You say your mirror exposes the illusions but so does Kindom. We have experienced and continue to experience just how intense and challenging Kindom is for people when they are faced with the responsibility of the mess they have helped to cause and the challenge of the hard work without the distractions of "The System" to keep them entertained. Emotional damage (demon) rises to the surface, illusions are certainly shattered and, as you say, those seeking truth are willing to face their demons and shatter their illusions by sticking things out while many run back to "The System" because it is just too scary. If you were to be around us, we could help you with your emotional baggage, just as you help people confront theirs. Letting go of our baggage (emotional illness) is what makes the MAN living creator.

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

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Arthur Cristian

Email received from Raymond Karczewski 17th May 2013

The Wise Man and the Scholar II

Arthur, you are attempting to put into words the Truth of Christ consciousness whose input does not arise from the limited rote-trained conditioned intellect, but emanates directly from what is known by the average man as the Subconscious level of consciousness, That realm of consciousness which lies beyond the intellect and is infinite in nature and beyond the images and concepts of the trained intellect.

It is vibratory in nature and appears to be as NOTHING, for that is because that state of consciousness is Infinite in nature, Timeless, without beginning or end.

It is not accessible by the time bound conditioned intellect. Spoken (created)in the moment, the words and images of such consciousness are formed as one enters (descends) into the realm of the intellect in order to communicate via recognizeable language, dead symbols and concepts that make up the fantasy of Civilized man.

My words emanate from that rarified realm that has remained unknown to the intellect and which has a unique energy to it, one that cannot be replicated. It threatens the graven, dead, (aftermoment) images of the limited satanic ruled intellect and evokes hostile reaction when the Intellect sees how limited and incapacitated it really is.

Satanic Controlled Civilized men worship such Intellect. It is the basis for all Institutional thought systems and has a lock on the consciousness of the educated intellect of the Spiritually blind. It can be likened to one flying on auto pilot instruments which take over when one cannot directly see the Truth. Truth can ONLY BE SEEN. IT CANNOT BE ARRIVED AT VIA THOUGHT.

Your words however resonate with the known energy of such a learned Intellect rife with logical plans to alter and substitute systems of existing thought even while remaining in the system of thought itself.

It is Satanic in nature because it promotes opposition and change but does so via counterconditioning. You merely replace one conditioning for another.

It is my observation and exposure of the "power play" and the spotlighting of the counterconditioning clearly found in your messages (to those who have the eyes to see.) that have been the source of consternation which has raised your hackles. I am not attacking you. I merely am pointing out the discrepancy of awareness of your actions. I do not expect you to believe me, you will either see it or your won't. If my statement to you were not true, you would not be disturbed by such remarks. Instead you launched a campaign of facesaving that begins to expose your limitation of through your every word when mirrored by Truth. Let us just say Arthur, that I am not your targetted audience.

As I said earlier, your plan for food forests and kindoms are superior to the present system, but it is just another system situated within the realm of the Intellect.

I render the solution to civilized man's problems, in just about every article I write, yet it cannot be seen, even by you. I'll not debate with you or anyone else for that is a Satanic trap which keeps one eternally engaged in controversy and suffering.

You see, the problems of the Intellect cannot be solved if one remains in the intellect. Only its own projected problems can be manipulated, rearranged or finally resolved and then the intellect comes to silence, to understanding, to Oneness.

I deliver the Truth directly but who amongst the readers of my articles can see it. Certainly this thread indicates that you do not, yet you have taken a position of leading others through your verbal talents. One cannot be responsible for another's enlightenment. He/she can only point to obstructions to such clarity.

A Christ will not recondition another. He will not tell another what to do. His words will either awaken those who have the "eyes to see and ears to hear." or they will not. There is NO RESPONSIBILITY that can be assigned to the nondualistic Truth as existing in Infinite Consciousness, for responsibility exists only in the dualistic, opposing intellect based in rote memory thought.

As the distinction arises in the vibratory resonance of holistic Truth rather than the partial, dualistic opposing idea of truth manipulated via memory all that can be expected in endless inquiry partial action and blind belief. Truth itself, being holistic (holy) is not subject to the material proof that you have sought and demanded.

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Arthur Cristian

Email received from Raymond Karczewski 17th May 2013

The Process of Spiritual Awakening

By: Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ

Arthur and Fiona Cristian,

As I have repeatedly said in my posts to you, I have no problem with what you are doing. In fact, I applaud your actions, for it is far superior to living in our present satanic ruled system.

I perceive that you, and damn near everyone else do not understand me in my exposure of the Satanic control over the civilized Intellect. My position is simplicity itself. One either transcends the hellish realm of the Intellect, or Lives in hell, immersed in their particular outer controlled mindsets.

Everyone, and I do mean everyone but few are enslaved to the prison cell of Intellect through the medium of Satanic Mind Control. None are exempt. They are unaware of it because it is perceived to be normal behavior when living in a hell bent human society.

These minions of Hell take great pride in flaunting through positive imagery, their illusory religious and political advancement and continue the conflict in their lives when relating to the less fortunate, those they see as living, striving and struggling in the depths of Hell. The haves, the "seemingly fortunate view the lives of the Have Nots, the less fortunate from their own "air-conditioned offices" in hell. They too are blind to the fact that they are all bound to the same hell of their own making.

Why do my words upset so many? Simply stated they exhibit a different frequency, a different resonance, one that is not normal, one that cannot be attacked successfully by the usual limited, and ineffective hellish attacks.

Illusion has jurisdiction only over its own partial, dissonant frequency, that which is divided and opposing, that which is born of Satanic Conditioning. It has no power over Truth, for Truth is holistic even though it contains and allows for the partial. The partial can never contain the whole. As such, the creation cannot be greater than its creator.

It is the experiences of Life that allows for man's return to God, The Divine Creator, Infinite Intelligence, holistic Truth. You see it everyday in your relationships from the lowest to the highest (the essence of all time-bound duality based Intellects) yet such Truth eludes them for Satanic fantasy rules their intellect and Truth stands there hidden in plain sight, oblivious to the spell bound intellect.

As long as the Intellect takes precedence in directing the minds of civilized man the average man/woman remains spiritually ignorant. They make up the legion of the Satanic ruled blind and dead. Dead, because they live in the inert aftermoment of Satanically imposed indoctrinating thought.

Truth is shocking to the satanically dulled. That is the energy of awakening at work. That is why Christs, simple men and women of Truth (not to be confused with the satanically created, mythical, illusory graven images of a Christ) those who operate at a different frequency are necessarily attacked but can NEVER be destroyed.

Truth is immune from intellectual attacks and demonstrates that fact through the process of Spiritual Mirroring. When that which is less than whole attacks the whole, the partial, impotent attacks are reflected back to the sender. That has a devastating effect upon the attacker, and they withdraw, at least temporarily from their present attack, only to come back in a future different form.

What remains constant is the untouched Truth, for Truth is Eternal, and no time-bound limited illusion has power over the unlimited.

Arthur, may you and Fiona understand our relationship a little better through this communication. I continue to read your offerings, and hope that you read mine likewise, for indeed, we compliment each other though our energies are vastly misunderstood.

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Arthur Cristian

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

17th May 2013

Part One

Raymond says "It is my observation and exposure of the "power play" and the spotlighting of the counterconditioning clearly found in your messages (to those who have the eyes to see.) that have been the source of consternation which has raised your hackles. I am not attacking you. I merely am pointing out the discrepancy of awareness of your actions. I do not expect you to believe me, you will either see it or your won't. If my statement to you were not true, you would not be disturbed by such remarks. Instead you launched a campaign of facesaving that begins to expose your limitation of through your every word when mirrored by Truth. Let us just say Arthur, that I am not your targetted audience."

Why would you not be our targeted audience? Are you above others, of higher standing that you cannot learn from us as we learn from you? Would you not benefit from living in the Paradise we have all created across Earth by healing all the damage and cleaning up the mess? Do you prefer to live in "The System" as the relentless destruction continues? Are we not your target audience? We receive your consistent flow of emails and have your posts and videos on the Facebook and YouTube walls.

You make claims about us that are based on your assumptions. You say we are disturbed by your remarks, that we are face saving, that we are on a power play.

Are you our intentions to know our intentions to be our intentions, Raymond?

If you are not our intentions, how else can you know them?

Are we now a puppet on your string?

Have you captured our uniqueness, our originality so that we are now performing under eyes that only you can see because you claim to know what our intentions are to be our intentions, hence what you see?

Can you not see the black magic in this?

Do you realise what you are doing here?

How can your eyes see through the uniqueness of another man?

Are you not trying to perform us instead of honouring and celebrating our uniqueness?

You have now conquered our uniqueness in past tense because you have predetermined its future, setting it into motion through your eyes in present sense to be the imaginary outcome of your making, hence what you see. You have taken control of present sense, meaning you have taken control over the uniqueness of Arthur and Fiona Cristian in present sense. We have been captured. We are now your prisoners. This Satanic intellectual thought process is self-fulfilling. You are no different to all the Satanic warlocks out there, doing exactly the same stuff. This is the power play of a powerful demon that is messing with you. Is what we do and say a threat to your assumed reality? These claims you have made are not true. We are standing up to you Raymond.

If we look at Fiona and say, "Fiona is like this" the next time we see Fiona, this is what we will ONLY see. We have predetermined how we think Fiona will behave, how she will show up, and we set that predetermined image into motion by looking for evidence to back our assumptions and the more we focus on the "evidence" we have for the behaviour we have decided Fiona will demonstrate, the more we will "see" that behaviour in Fiona. This is brain control, self fulfilling prophecy. This is exactly what the Satanic system thought control is all about.

Without our permission, you have commenced a series of attacks at us because you have captured our uniqueness by making claims about how we express our uniqueness through Faceboiok, posts, Youtube videos and emails, etc. There is a pattern in this, Raymond, as can be witnessed in the way you respond to many people. This powerful demon is a monkey on your back and its trade mark, in clear Oxford English dictionary meanings, is evident over and over and over again in many of your writings.

We have been denied our free will because you are saying that what you see is our free will, communicated through what you see of your free will.

What you see is our free will at play, predetermined by you. Hence your remarks about power plays, face saving, being disturbed and counter conditioning. This is what you see. We are now slaves under your will.

To truly allow others their uniqueness, you have to be willing to sense the intention of others. This does not seem to be the case with you. When someone responds a certain way, you put them in the "write-off" basket, the spiritually blind basket, the not as spiritually conscious as Raymond the living Christ" basket, which is everyone. This is how you predetermine the outcome which shows you how powerfully this demon has a hold over you. The basket is the demon's and is how the demon keeps you for itself. It's using you. "It's hell, isn't it?"

We are not prepared to be put in your Satanic intellectual thought control basket, to be your prisoners.

You want us to be embraced by the image of your own Satanic system thought control projection to deny the image of our uniqueness because you have imprisoned it with what you "see", your demon's image.

Do you break down your perceived walls of uniqueness and originality so that you can see by remote viewing? The only way you can do this is by your own version of a system thought control, as clearly demonstrated by the claims that you have made, none of which have ever been our intention. They do not exist for us. We are each unique, we are not Raymond, we do not think how Raymond thinks or make the assumptions that Raymond claims to see. Arthur is saying that you are blatantly lying and creating your own curse here that you are already processing. In all the work we have done, and in this discussion, there is no counter conditioning, no face saving, no disturbance, etc. All you are really doing is trying to put us under your spell. We are not buying into this Raymond. We are not going to see what you see and nor are we going to allow you to influence others to see what you see without pointing out what is going on. Hence us standing up to you.

"If my statement to you were not true, you would not be disturbed by such remarks." This is a box you are putting us in. Are you saying that anyone, anywhere who challenges your statements is disturbed by them? Are you not putting us all in one basket? When you stood up to the authorities that incarcerated you by going on a hunger strike, you were clearly telling them that they did not have the right to capture you, that they were lying because they were making claims about/over you. Did you not stand up to say they were wrong and show them the error of what they were doing to you? This is what we are doing. We are standing up to what we see as being untrue, not because you have said something true that we are reacting too! There is a difference. Were you standing up to the authorities because they said something about you that was true and that you did not want to face or because what they said was untrue/unjust and you were not going to lie down and take it.

What you do not seem to comprehend, Raymond, even though we have already said it, is that Kindom is the means, the practical steps through which we can step away from "The System" of Satanic thought control so that we, men, women and children, have the opportunity to start taking full responsibility for our lives and have the time to contemplate on life, nature, etc, so that each man, woman and child can uniquely determine their purpose and create their lives in their unique, original way.

How does this show up?

No more government, no more voting, no more local councils and state governments, no more banks, no more money, no more church/religion, no more priests, no more education, no more obligations and burdens to credit cards, bank accounts, interest, mortgages, no more guns, wars, civilian uprisings, no more computers, no more internet, no more television, soap operas, news, current affairs, football games, Hollywood, fashion, no more night clubs, casinos or brothels, no more oil, petrol, electricity cables, gas pipes, garbage tips, landfill, environmental damage, microwaves, radio-waves, digital towers, no more drugs, no more hospitals, no more libraries, no more universities, no more careers, no more jobs, no more system science, no more New Age channelling, and a massive weaning off from living under the image of another MAN, with a way forward to no longer having that influence either.

We are making this as simple and pleasant as we can make it at the same time as UNPLUGGING FROM SATANIC SYSTEM THOUGHT CONTROL. Is this not what you are all about? Is this not the way of the Christ? Is it so bad to work out some steps along the way or is everyone written off if they don't snap out of it immediately?

Kindom is about learning to live life as a gift, rather than living for me, my, i. Isn't this the life of the Christ? The life of living creator? Without that life of living creator, we are not life, we have no life. Instead of keeping our life energy for us, we radiate our life energy out for others to benefit. Is this not what you do when you reach out? With all of us radiating our life energy for the benefit of others, there is nothing we cannot achieve. As we say, if the sun turns it rays towards itself, instead of towards all of life, everything dependant on the co-creation that causes what we presently refer to as the light and the warmth of the sun, perishes. If you are a useless food eater locked in a prison cell, without food and water, does not the physical body "die"? How many people fear this "death" so they continue being plugged in to satanic system thought control because they cannot see to live beyond it.

This change in attitude is critical if we are to unplug from system thought control. You are talking about the "divine" but, as you say, most people do not comprehend what you are talking about because they are so heavily thought controlled. And, even though some may comprehend, how can they unplug their bodies from "The System" in the practical, everyday sense? How does this show up? Where can children come and witness people unplugging from system thought control? Can they come and observe you in your caravan and when you are out and about and witness how to unplug from system thought control? Where is the living Christ demonstration?

In your work, you are reaching out to MAN, you are writing to us because you are reaching out to MAN; you have made people aware of your existence of MAN. There is an address so that your brothers and sisters of life can come to visit you and see how the divine is manifested as a living Christ. Are you saying they are going to have to see past the caravan and a man completely plugged into the satanic system thought control when it comes to his body, (to his consciousness - there is no separation) to be able to recognise that Christ? If they cannot witness it because all they see is a man plugged in, are you going to tell them that they are spiritually blind, living dead, because they cannot see it, and put them in the same basket as the millions you have written off as useless food eaters?

You might think that you are "programming" others by demonstrating a sustainable, do no harm way of life, but is that worse than demonstrating a completely unsustainable, harmful, cruel way of life that is a body completely plugged in to satanic system thought control? Can you see the hypocrisy in all of this? Are we not talking about the wholeness of life where the body is the consciousness and what you call the divine with no separation between any of it; it is all whole. Have you found a spiritual loophole to get around this? Because we have certainly observed that there is no separation in life. Your work goes over most people's heads, in part, because they do not see you walking the talk. They do not see your words in your everyday way of life.

Kindom is about freeing each other up so that we all have the opportunity to reconnect with who we really are. Then who knows where we will get to - no doubt to a comprehension of life that most of us do not have currently because we are not living that yet. We are not unplugged from the life support of "The System's" Satanic thought control. So will there have to be some life-is-a-team-effort group agreements as to how Kindom takes shape to begin with? Of course, because we do not yet know what it means to be free or to take full responsibility for our lives without "The System". We have to de-program our lives from institutionalisation. We have to learn how the Satanic world has a grip on our thoughts and our bodies and wean our lives out of these processes.

If we don't make it possible for those around us to unplug, then we will not be able to unplug our lives, unless we go it alone in the bush, which, for us, would be very hard with 4 daughters and is not really a remedy because it does nothing to heal the mess and clean up the destruction or inspire millions to turn their backs on "The System". Again it is about changing our attitude; is it too much to ask to suggest people get away from their satanic system thought control ownership and system comfort when we are talking about healing Earth/MAN, especially someone like you who talks about the "divine" and consciousness?

How do we create freedom in the lives of those around us so that we can be free?

How do we create peace?

In the PRACTICAL sense, i.e. everyone having the responsibility for a piece of land, building each others shelters, establishing each others food forests, etc, so that everyone has the opportunity to do what you talk about - connect with their true consciousness, answerable to no one. There is no more having to get up to go to work because I have to pay the mortgage, the bills, etc. No more demonic voices pulling at you, wanting your attention, no more chit chat consuming your present sense. With physical needs taken care of in a sustainable, do no harm way, we are free to do things through our inspiration. "Oh, Raymond needs some help making a new garden bed today, I'll give him a hand (because I want to, not because I have to)". The difference in our lives because of just having our physical needs catered for is massive, an enormous burden off the shoulders that frees us up to think about the hows and the whys of the bigger picture of what its going to take to return MAN to what MAN was before and is without satanic system thought control.

Once we are unplugged, the pull of the distractions is gone. This process does not discriminate against any one anywhere. We are not making people conform to a religion or a government or any system thought control because there is no ownership of thought to turn into satanic system thought control, only a commitment to stop the harm, live life as a gift and see that those around us have what they need to take full responsibility for their lives. THEN we can get back to knowing who we really are and re-discovering the possibilities of our ancestors; the size, the physical ability, the telepathy, the ability to move our bodies through the water, etc. This we will never do until we have weaned our lives off system thought and distraction. Just as people respond to natural or unnatural disasters by rallying round and working together to clean up the damage, helping each other get back on track, so we do the same, only without "The System". We have to clean up the mess before we can lead do no harm lives of freedom, of living Christs.

Even you, Raymond, are still part of an organised body. You have not been able or willing to remove your life from "The System". Being in "The System" but not of it is not actually possible; while you are using the benefits of "The System" you are in it and not taking full responsibility for stopping the harm of "The System because you are still supporting "The System". Your whole body is still plugged into the life support of "The System". You still have other men and women slaving, their uniqueness and originality forgotten, discriminated against, to make the roads and control the reservoirs, man the exchanges to provide the internet and the power, grow the toxic, lifeless food and raise and kill the animals you eat, suck the oil out of Earth, etc. They are all working right now for your life support and will continue to do so while you remain plugged in. Will they have to down tools and walk away, perhaps to Kindom before you will address this? Or is it going to take your physical "death" before you unplug? Is this your legacy, the legacy of the living Christ?

Yes, we are still plugged in to "The System" but we recognise the need to unplug as soon as we can and are taking steps towards that, even though we certainly do not live in the "ideal" place to do so (if there is such a thing). It is in unplugging from "The System" that we begin to unplug from Satanic thought control as we leave the distraction and entertainment of "The System" to do that. Our bodies are also addicted to "The System" and we need to wean them off some of the most binding of system addictions - the processed food, the wheat, the dairy, the meat and the sugar that also cloud our brains and our thoughts. We are talking about creating a Kindom in a region where millions of people will have access to a living demonstration of life without "The System". Refer to "The Spell Is Broken" for more on this. http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365 You show the illusion, but you do not provide the bridge. The way we live is that bridge and that is the sacrifice of a living Christ so that many may pass through and back to Paradise. This is how we provide a legacy for our descendants to come. Freeing them is also freeing us because we have never abandoned them.

This is the end of part 1 and Fiona has to go. In part 2, we have some life experiences that we would like to share with you to illustrate further what we perceive and where we are coming from, etc. Back to you as soon as possible.

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

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Brett Anderson

Well I did say that I felt something dark working through Raymond in the other thread yet you rebuffed my comment but here you say pretty much the same thing.

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Arthur Cristian

He does not realise that he is being used. We are trying to help him. He really is innocent. And you are correct in what you are saying. Lets not focus on the MAN, instead focus on the demons that make us all liars and fraudsters, see them for what they are and then rout them all out. It's important that what is left standing is MAN to continue on with the dream of life. If we destroy the MAN who is there to live the dream of life and continue on with it?

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Brett Anderson

...hence why I've stated that there's something dark working through him.

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Arthur Cristian

Apologies for being a f... wit.

You are right again. LOL.....

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Brett Anderson

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Arthur Cristian

Raymond Karczewski replied on his FB wall

What Gibberish!

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ

Re: Arthur and Fiona article "Capturing MANS uniqueness" on Facebook.

What Gibberish. Your effusive and voluminous facesavings are duly noted.

Forgive me, but by your energetic responses you have shown that you are playing "Catch Up" with being stung by Truth and have no spiritual balance.

I am satisfied with your responses for they reveal the conflicted level of spirit behind your words. I shall neither add or detract from them, for they speak for themselves.

I hope you have the courage to leave these threads up for the public to see so that your supporters may have the chance to see who they are supporting.

And if you want to continue arguing, you will just have to do it with yourselves.

When Satan tempted Jesus of Nazareth on the mount, did Jesus not say to Satan in essence "Take a Hike." That is how a Christ handles a prideful Satanist pressuring another into argument and debate. Jesus showed clearly how to refuse being enticed into the sin of argument. So I say this also to Arthur and You Fiona. Take your wares elsewhere. I take no pleasure in embarrasing you further.

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ

17th May 2013 58 minutes ago

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Arthur Cristian

We replied on Raymond's FB Wall.............

Just how deep does the demonic brainwashing go???? This debate reveals the extent of MANS duplicity to Satanic system thought control. Gees we have a lot of work to do in letting go so that we can be who we really are in present-sense.

Preconceiving an image of a different story (his-story her-story) to capture another MANS uniqueness/originality is terrible. This is how the uniqueness of another MANS intention gets ignored and imprisoned. How can anyone see another MANS intention when they are too busy/distracted superimposing a preconceived his-story her-story over that MAN?

It is impossible to see and know another MANS true intention when you are distracted by a demon re-presenting a preconceived script of his-story/her-story and setting that distorted image into motion.

This is Satanically designed to hood/superimpose a demonic possession process so that the uniqueness of that MAN is completely ignored, rejected, written off, etc, IN PRESENT SENSE.

This is the hallmark/trademark of a most terrible emotional illness,....... of demonic possession. It is in celebrating and honouring the uniqueness of another MAN that we can sense their true intention. Without this love for life (what the system calls trust) it is impossible to sense the true intention of another MAN because they are trapped in the
re-presentation of a demons engineered cloaking mechanism (a HOOD) that is a Satanic system thought control process set into motion.

This becomes a major distraction to SENSE........ TOO SENSE! To LIFE - To TRUTH - To FREEDOM - To PEACE - To JOY, etc, etc......

Again, how can we see, as Raymond "sees", another MAN if we do not honour, protect, nurture, respect, support (all the virtues of love), the uniqueness of another MAN IN PRESENT SENSE???????

You can't when another MAN is lost in past-tense (NON-SENSE) setting the his-story/her-story into future tense so that that MAN can only perform the pre-determined his-story/her-story in PRESENT-SENSE, therefore only the DEMON is present in PRESENT SENSE.

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Arthur Cristian

And we posted this on Raymond's FB Wall.......

Jesus of Nazereth never existed. Back your claims Raymond. Bring forward the first party, Jesus of Nazareth so that we can ALL touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see this MAN. If you can't then all you have got, in present-sense, is a re-presentation of his-story/her-story set into motion, meaning an apparition. Using past or future tense (NON-SENSE) Living-Creator does not play hide and seek with the living of PRESENT-SENSE Raymond. TRUTH is always present with the PRESENCE of LIFE so that the living can always touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see LIFE/CONSCIOUSNESS. Without that LIFE there is NO LIFE, just an apparition filing the void of make-believe by liars and fraudsters.

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Arthur Cristian

And we posted this on Raymond's FB Wall.......

Truth is backed by SUBSTANCE IN PRESENT SENSE so in this matter you have the first party living-MAN Arthur Cristian (SUBSTANCE) coming forward here to say to you that your claims detailed in this discussion/debate about this living-MAN Arthur Cristian are lies and has you committing fraud because you are impersonating this living-MAN Arthur Cristian.

Now we ask you Raymond Karczewskii to bring forward the 1st party MAN Arthur Cristian and all the other 1st party witnesses of SUBSTANCE to back your claims that the living-MAN Arthur Cristian is lying. Where are your witnesses Raymond? Please don't tell us all you have is what you "see" which is INVISIBLE to the living, therefore rendering what you "see" as a 3rd party his-story/her-story (DEMON) to your claim/argument, meaning they were not present with the presence of life (SUBSTANCE) to be a first party.

You can't do this because we have the incontrovertible evidence here of 1st parties to the event, So it is clear for all to see that you have no 1st party witness to back your claims about Arthur Cristian rendering your claims of what you "see" (of your mirror) as lies thus making you out to be a liar and fraudster.

Arthur Cristian' the living-MAN is TRUTH to this matter.

Fiona Cristian the living-MAN is TRUTH to this matter.

They are both the SUBSTANCE of first parties.

So we again ask you Raymond, were you the living-MAN, of SUBSTANCE here in the room with Arthur & Fiona Cristian to witness as a first party, the intentions of Arthur Cristian & Fiona Cristian.

Can you back your claims demonstrating before a group of impartial men and women that Arthur Cristian was playing "Catch Up", that Arthur was "disturbed" by your remarks, that Arthur and Fiona were "face saving", that Arthur & Fiona were on a "power play"?????

You can't Raymond because you are being deceived by DEMONS and are presently SPIRITUALLY BLIND. But for how long. Again, we say this to you WE ARE INNOCENT TO THE CLAIMS YOU HAVE MADE ABOUT US. THIS IS TRUTH.

All the best - Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life

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Arthur Cristian

Everything is posted here Raymond: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201090474292079 and shortly it will be posted in the Love For Life website too, we will post that link here for you as well so you have FULL-DISCLOSURE. These posts will never be taken down by our influence or doing unless the whole of the website/s has/have been taken down for whatever reason and we can assure you if the website was taken down it will not have anything to do with you and all the debates/discussions we have had with you and posted in the public domain.

Also, you are still our friend, that we are not your enemy, that we seek to do you the living-MAN no harm and we are always there for you to help you with whatever you may need, Please let your daughter and other relatives know this just in case you ever get incarcerated again or that you are under threat or have been injured, etc, and need assistance.

And if you are sincere and pure in your intention it will come to bear "down-the-line" that you will see that you have been deceived by a very powerful and clever demon and that we are here to help you in its removal. We are truly your friend Raymond and we are not messing with your head/consciousness/life in any way to hurt you, use you, abuse you, scorn you, deceive you, lie to you, etc, etc. We come as MAN of love, peace, healing and true freedom. WE truly love you Raymond.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

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Brett Anderson

There's so much ego and arrogance in all of Raymond's 'words', it doesn't sound very "spiritual" to me. Its also interesting that Raymond started this "argument and debate" but is terribly reluctant to finish it, hiding behind analogies of what a "Christ" would do, which it seems is to run away and pretend that he won the upper hand while ignoring the main points. I see no honor in your actions Raymond, regardless of your claims to the contrary.

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Arthur Cristian

Brett, it would be fantastic for you (and for all of us) to explain from your perspective/insights/logic/etc what you perceive is going on here in simple factual everyday terms so that others can learn heaps as they contemplate on your words. This is how we wake people up mate. Take the opportunity while the iron is hot. Love Arthur

about an hour ago

The Cristian Family November 2006

Conversation/Debate With Raymond Karczewski
Continued In This Facebook Thread

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201224098432599

5th June 2013 at 18:21

Nick Kennedy said: "There is no single agenda more substantial than MIND CONtrol. This is how the few evil psychopaths have CONtrolled the billions thru his-story! recognizing this is the beginning of the solution."

We replied................

It's trauma control Nick - not mind control. When you can find the "mind" please let us know as we would like to sense it (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see). The "mind" is the illusion (intellectual property/thought) of separation suspended in trauma. Without the trauma there is no "mind" control. The ego, self, "i", person, strawman, agent-in-commerce, "name", individual, etc, is a captured image of non-sense (intellectual thought) suspended in trauma. While the trauma remains the demon that is ego, self, person, mind, etc, is being projected. We/MAN are the ONLY ones that can set images (thoughts) into motion. Do you now comprehend why trauma is so critical in the quest for Satanists/Freemasons control over MAN? Trauma contains thoughts/images of information being repeated as a perpetual echo in present-sense. The past (trauma) projects into the future (trauma) to control MAN here and now in present-sense. The illusion of "self", "i", "mind", etc, = DEMON has such a grip on us/MAN thanks to TRAUMA CONTROL. Refer to this recent post: "SYSTEM LIFE", copied below

SYSTEM LIFE

If someone hurts us, we feel the trauma of that hurt, of that intention that has been imposed upon us. The trauma that reverberates in us is not of our making. What is of our making, what we do have control over, is our reaction to that trauma. Do we allow it to possess us, living our lives out of it, or do we move on from the trauma, healing our bodies and brains/senses, so that we can let go of the trauma and get on with our lives? The same applies with "System" thought control or the IMAGE-POWER another MAN has over us. Most of us are spellbound by the re-presentation of thoughts, ideas, images made up by other men and women, none of them uniquely created by us, having us trapped in the perpetual reaction of a vicious cycle mirroring the gruesome, pounding repetition of our system education, going over and over and over the constructs and concepts of "The System" in their alphabet languages so that they become habit. But these constructs and concepts are not us - they are the trauma of a SYSTEM LIFE that has been forced upon us, that we are compelled to react to, making us robots as we perform the clockwork of the programming of system life. We are no longer MAN, we are SYSTEM LIFE.

"The System" of men and women who live for and follow its instruction forces trauma upon us but it is up to us how we react to that trauma so then you could call it "trauma created from "within"", the "within" being just the echo of a residual memory of harm. But, the fact is, if a man rapes you, he is forcing trauma upon you, even though you have a choice how to react to this trauma. However, we recognise the wholeness of life and even though each aspect of sensory life, inanimate or not, tiny or not, is unique and original, we sense that there is still no separation of life which means that any trauma forced upon any aspect of life is trauma for all of life that has to be healed by all of life. It is trauma that gives us (MAN) the compelling-emotion of separation, disconnection from life that is Nature/Earth/MAN.

The reaction to harm upon sensory LIFE/MAN causes the illusion of separation as MAN reacts to the effect of trauma upon MANS life. It is this illusion which "The System" is constructed out of........ ALL OF IT IS TRAUMA BASED!

Re-Presenting "intellectual property" that are thoughts, ideas, images, made up by other men and women telling you how to think (react), feel (react) and act (re-act), is clear evidence of the effect of trauma and its purpose designed by the intender.

Where can innocent children, not exposed to "The System" or to anyone exposed to its brainwashing education, go anywhere in nature to learn about trauma, with its illusion of separation, without anyone (MAN) having to explain it to them or force them to experience it?

From our perspective, the best thing we can learn from the damage caused by "The System" is how not to repeat the damage. That is its only real benefit. There is nothing else to learn because all the empathy, compassion, strength, etc, we feel we have learned from the damage are actually qualities we naturally possess but which have been crushed out of us by our SYSTEM LIFE. We are struggling to get back what we already have! Let's create lives for those around us so that they don't have to be crushed. It does help to get off the grinding roundabout of our SYSTEM LIFE stories of pain, suffering and brainwashing because they do not free us.

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8369

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Katherine Marion Heart

Thanks - as i live the loving way .. you espouse. After much learning and before that - 'learned behaviour'.' Thank Goddess for coming out of denial and maximized clarity!!! Great piece ..

5 June at 18:24

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Arthur Cristian

Nick said: "OK Arthur, I will say then the very few manipulating the THOUGHTS, and ACTIONS of the many's ALLEGED brains lol to get them to acquiesce to their NWO agenda, and lowering the people to less than animals while doing so? Or Social Engineering? The "mind" is the illusion (intellectual property/thought) of separation suspended in trauma. Thanx Arthur, but I don't get what this means? Do you mean trauma as in FEAR? A MENTAL trauma, as opposed to a physical trauma, or a combination of the two? It's not computing here."

We replied........

Nick, the thought of "i", "mind", etc, and all other "intellectual property/thoughts" (IMAGES) is TRAPPED in the trauma so that it cannot escape thus is forced to be re-presented over and over again in present-sense as "i", "mind", "self", etc.......all intellectual thoughts/property by association with "i", "mind", etc..... We did not create the "i" - it was a non-sense image given to us by someone else. What we do create, however, is the reaction to our trauma which traps "i" in the reaction. The trauma of our past is projected into the future which traps "i" and thus us/MAN in present/sense. We SENSE the trauma. The thought hasn't been damaged but the life/SENSES of that thought set into motion has been damaged. The trauma is the negative-destructive-emotion of a feeling, of your/our SENSES given life by our life as we set the memory of this destructive emotion (e-motion) into motion.

5 June at 19:00

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Katherine Marion

Powerful and empowering!!!

5 June at 19:08

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Arthur Cristian

Hi Marion, thanks for the feedback. This is a huge breakthrough in working out how they trapped us/MAN. We are currently writing an article (it's quite long now) as part 2 & part 3 of our reply to a debate we recently had with Raymond, link provided below. Do read it. It blows us away reading it too. Insights need to be read over and over again even by its makers as they are for the makers too, and not just for others. We all have to learn how to walk-the-talk otherwise how else are we to change and get out of this man-made hell system. Love & hugs Arthur.

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5 June at 19:20

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Raymond Karczewski

The folly of Intellect

Arthur Cristian wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

ac: > When you can find the "mind" please let us know as we would like to sense it (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see).

rk: Your comment above is NOt based in truth as it is based solely upon the operative limitation of the Intellect.

rk: There are infinite holistic impressions which exist beyond the limited realm of intellect that cannot be proven but are self-evident to the sensitive spiritual grounded consciousness.

rk: What can be proven as you suggest are the ideas the intellect assigns to that unknown vibration of Truth. Yours is the scientific method which is limited and only leads to debate and argument.

rk: This Arthur cannot be debated as the cause for dispute remains in the widely diverse vibrations of human consciousness which prevent communication. Raymond Karczewski

6 June at 00:23

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Arthur Cristian

The words "feel" and "sense" were used as well Raymond, these are not of the intellect, as you say "folly of the intellect".

As we say, "Argue for your limitations and sure enough they are yours" Raymond.

As some would say in a murder trial "The Devil Told Me".

What we say is that every sensory life-form, inanimate or not, embodies the information of TRUTH and we (MAN) can each access this information directly and uniquely as a first party without another MAN having to explain it to us (another MAN). It all goes backassward when we try to force another MAN under our IMAGE-POWER. Comments like "Mind Control" are just that....... IMAGE-POWER!

What we also say is consciousness is water and all thoughts are projected through water, therefore all thoughts are SENSORY. What is important here is that we can contemplate on a thought set into motion giving us access to the uniqueness and originality of the first party MAN who created it but if we can't access the first party, then these thoughts are NON-SENSORY because there is no 1st party maker (MAN) to access/visit/observe, only a 3rd party re-presentative is available. Like you say "The Thought Of God Is Not God", those who believe in the thought of God are unable to bring forward the 1st party "God". All they can bring forward is a 3rd party representing that "Thought Of God" which is the claimer, thus they are lying and committing fraud acting as an impostor of that "God". This is "The Folly Of Intellect". In present-sense, there is no LIFE of that God there. Same when people claim "mind" or "person", etc, "mind" as in "mind control"...... there is no LIFE in (of that) "mind" there! This is "The Folly Of Intellect."

Throughout the dream of life, there is nowhere where water ends and something else not of water begins.

Refer to a post copied below about Chemtrails/HAARP.

Everything of the dream of life, in its unique and original uncorrupted form, is an ORIGINAL thought set into motion as water through the breath by its maker, by MAN. All of MAN that ever was and ever will be can access that unique original thought to learn about the makers true-intention and legacy for the dream of life, for that MANS life and for that MANS children/family/tribe/village/community.

That's all that matters. Unique Original Dreams are not "folly of the intellect", instead they are extremely beneficial for everyone who accesses them.

Why?

Because................ THEY ARE LIFE!

We eat/taste that life, smell that life, touch that life, hear that life, see that life, sense (feel) that life. All of creation are unique/original thoughts (dreams) set into motion by MAN.

Unique original Dreams are not "the folly of intellect" Raymond. They can all be backed up (EXPERIENCED).

Your comment " NOt based in truth as it is based solely upon the operative limitation of the Intellect" is ALL about 3rd party impostors who did not create unique original thoughts they claim (re-present) to be true. Now this is "based solely upon the operative limitation of the Intellect".

If we (MAN) do not interfere/meddle with children by educating them about the purpose of any sensory life form which includes MAN, any MAN, then they can learn all about their place in the dream of life without ever giving up their uniqueness and originality as MAN because all they can do is be MAN creating unique and original thoughts set into motion as a gift (benefit) for the WHOLE ORIGINAL UNIQUE dream of life. (no MAN is master of another MAN - all men (MAN) are equal) .

Is why organic food grown by members of your family/tribe who have you in their dreams/thoughts are extremely beneficial for you and is why food grown by strangers who do not have you in their dreams/thoughts, particularly food coming from long distances grown with toxic poisonous chemicals, is not beneficial. The dreams unique/original MAN dreams for the dream of life that is MANS family/tribe/Nature/Earth (ORIGIN-ALL DESCENDANTS) is beneficial for all descendants to come forevermore. This is NOT "the folly of intellect" Raymond.

What was just described is the SENSE (everyday practical sense/purpose/dream of/for life).

From our perspective you are sort of saying it in another way (we recognise your intention) "There are infinite holistic impressions which exist beyond the limited realm of intellect that cannot be proven but are self-evident to the sensitive spiritual grounded consciousness." This is what we just described/shared in this post.

Connecting with the purpose (unique/original thoughts) of the dreamer (MAN), the first party, gives us life as in inspiration, aspiration, sensation, elation, joy, happiness, contentment/peace, freedom, etc.... They are ORIGINAL = LIFE.

Something that is not original has no life, it is dead, lifeless, empty, soulless, nothing, etc. Is not beneficial to MAN (us). IS NON-SENSE = ANTI-LIFE (ANTI-CHRIST). They are just "intellectual thought/property" with NO LIFE embodied in their image. Where is the LIFE (the first party) of the thought of God? "Intellectual Thoughts/Property" are an illusion, are fraud and are lies. they embody no life. When you eat cooked/processed food, including dead-animals and told that it is good (healthy) for you it is a LIE, they are lying to you because there is no life (well hardly any, if any) there to be beneficial for your life as MAN.

The real and ONLY issue behind "intellectual thought" ("intellectual property" - "The Folly Of Intellect") is when we re-present a NON-ORIGINAL/UNIQUE image/dream/thought and there is no 1st party maker/creator of that claim to back it, then we

are living our lives for/out-of a non-original/unique dream (man-made knowledge) created by someone else (means we are dying, falling away from life/consciousness/sense and into a "state" of death/unconsciousness/non-sense)

are not creating our unique/original lives as MAN (we've been hijacked/kidnapped),

are giving our power (lives) away to others to use, abuse and mislead us (false purpose for our lives that maketh us slaves under the IMAGE POWER of another MAN)

are committing fraud and are lying

are doing harm to MAN/Nature/Earth, this includes our lives and our family/tribe/etc.

You say "This Arthur cannot be debated as the cause for dispute remains in the widely diverse vibrations of human consciousness which prevent communication." We say, this cause for dispute preventing communication first party to first party can ONLY happen when we are re-presenting "intellectual thoughts/property" that are NON-ORIGINAL.

6 June at 02:59

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Arthur Cristian

Everything going on about Chemtrails, HAARP, etc, is all about the INTENTION to break/disrupt PRESENT-SENSE connection with all our ORIGINAL (MANS) ancestors,

to break/disrupt PRESENT-SENSE connection with ORIGINAL dreams of life set into motion by ORIGINAL ancestors (living co-creators) that we all are (MAN/descendants are their ORIGINAL living-sensory-dreams set into motion)

and to break/disrupt PRESENT-SENSE connection with all ORIGINAL sensory life forms, inanimate or not, so that we cannot learn about who we really are (our ORIGINALITY), what we are really part of (our ORIGINALITY) and what is our true purpose (our ORIGINALITY).

The Freemasonic/Satanic World is doing everything possible to stop us remembering who we really are (our ORIGINS) because, when we do, we stop setting "The System" (their fantasy "alien" world - not of our ORIGINS), and everything of it, into motion, meaning, we are no longer slaves to their non-sensory (false idol) images (this alien gobbledygook/martian-talk world not of our ORIGIN).

We are creating ORIGINAL water every "time" we breathe out (ORIGINAL breath). All our (MANS) ORIGINAL dreams, intentions, thoughts & ideas are embodied/encoded in the ORIGINAL water of our breath (our ORIGIN) and there these images remain in present-sense forevermore (ORIGINAL) unless we destroy/corrupt the water of our breath (our ORIGINS)....... enter in Chemtrails, HAARP, etc.

The water of our breath embodies the dreams of our ORIGINAL ancestor who created the ORIGINAL dream of life, who created the ORIGINAL mountains, the valleys, the trees, the birds, the insects, etc.... EVERYTHING of the dream of life (IS ORIGINAL).

Everything of the sensory dream of life is of MANS ORIGINAL dreaming. As we wander through the forests and explore the beauty of nature in all its incredible forms, what we are experiencing is the ORIGIN-ALL dreams, the creations of our ORIGINAL ancestors set into motion.

When we observe a bird, we are observing the creation of the dream of our ORIGINAL ancestor. That dream had a purpose for the dream of life, for nature. We have all been hijacked through distraction and thought control to create non-origin/non-original dreams that serve "The System" (nothing original here). We set these non-original dreams into motion and create "The System" hell we live in today.

We do not realise the power of our ORIGINAL ancestors before they fell (into non-original dreams/thoughts), the power to create that we all have but that we have forgotten. This power is in our ORIGINAL DNA, which is the ORIGINAL DNA of ORIGINAL MAN (our origins) sustained in present sense in the ORIGINAL water of MAN's ORIGINAL breath, the power and the purpose of living creator that is the ORIGINAL dream of life that is nature.

ORIGINAL MAN IS PRESENT SENSE (living-sensory consciousness = LIFE/Nature/Earth). There is no lineal (time-code) images here as they are not of our ORIGIN.


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Light is Water - Sound is Water - Smell is Water - Sight is Water - Touch is Water - Feel is Water - Taste is Water - Hear is Water - Without Water No Sense Can Be Experienced - Can't Be Thought or Felt or Acted on.

To us, everything (all thoughts/images we think and feel) is man-made and its done through the water of our breath that we share and co-create life with and which can also be severely compromised by our brothers/sisters turning against each other (us), thus corrupting the water of our life (breath) with distorted, impure, insincere, intentions that are non-sensory thoughts/images = demons, apparitions, phantoms, ghosts, et's, aliens, higher beings, gods, divine angels with wings, etc, etc.

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In present-sense, we are, MAN IS, living creator Tim - we co-create and breathe life with the ORIGINAL breath of living-creator. MAN is the ONLY one present with the presence of LIFE, all else are MAN-made images that are non-sensory apparitions, ghosts, phantoms, demons, etc, set into motion by MAN. Life (MAN) maketh the creator of Life (MAN). Who is there to think, feel and experience Life if MAN did not exist? All thoughts/images of the past and future requires MAN to exist in present-sense to think, feel and experience them. Without MAN, all thoughts of the past and the future cannot be thought or felt. All thoughts of the past are MANS making as are all thoughts of the future are MANS making too. Every thought/image we (MAN) experience can only be experienced in present sense where all of MANS thoughts/images were created and set into motion. All of MAN that ever was and ever will be is who we really are and at the effect of, here and now, in present-sense. The buck stops with us. Through the water of our breath and our intentions set into motion through our breath, we are creating our collective experience and are either rejoicing in elation or suffering terribly.

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

6 June at 02:16

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Scott Andrews

...sometimes I have to read the things Arthur and Fiona write over again to see the sense in the words, but I do make sense of them.

Everything Raymond says though, makes absolutely none at all, and I find myself having to use intellectual property just to get an idea of the non sense he portraits.

Vibrations of truth
Widely diverse vibrations of human consciousness
Spiritual grounded consciousness
Holistic impressions
Limited realm of intellect
Self-evident
Operative limitation

Sounds like very programmed thinking.

6 June at 02:17

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Nigel Beckwith

Here is something that is totally unprogrammed....

6 June at 02:27

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Nigel Beckwith

Did you like it?

6 June at 02:28

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Raymond Karczewski

Scot, welcome to the world of intellectual BASSACKWARDS. Truth does not require one to make sense of it, that is the domain of the Idea of Truth, an Intellectual device. Truth can only been seen, resonated with by those possessed of spiritual grace. It is the lower activity of a programmable intellect that creates conflict when one's established habitual thinking pattern rife with habitual projections and/or judgments/assessments occur as one is presented with new information.. Truth cannot be arrived at through thought. ONLY the idea of Truth can. That is the Satanic deception which all intellect are plagued with. Yet that is where your energy, along with Arthur's and damned near every other civilized man's consciousness is focused upon. Truth may be accessed when there is a cessation of fragmented Thought itself and one has insight, direct perception of holistic Truth, Divine Awareness into the heretofore unknowable/unrecognizeable Truth. That is the essence of Jesus' statement when He said one must die (end/silence) the intellect) to be Reborn of the Spirit (Divine Awareness, Direct Perception of Truth) Raymond Karczewski

6 June at 03:24

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Arthur Cristian

Ray, do you actually read what you are writing? "Truth can only been seen". That is exactly what we just explained in our last post and in quite a few of our recent posts to you Ray.

We agree with you when you say "Truth cannot be arrived at through thought. ONLY the idea of Truth can."

Are you SENSING where we are coming from Ray?

It seems you are trapped in the mirror of your thought projection. You are making claims that are not our claims (intentions) Ray. Why are you trying to create a controversy where there isn't one? Off for rest now, in "The System" it's late here 3.27am.

6 June at 03:28

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Raymond Karczewski

Watch out for that mirror Arthur. I make no claims. (that is your perception) I do not argue, I merely point to the obvious. There are many ways to express the simple Truth. Yet readers will see for themselves who has the need for manipulating perceptions in others.. I merely point to the conflict that exists and goes unnoticed by damn near all. It is the conflict which appears in them that causes the outburst of controversy. Rather than own up to it as being based in their reactions, they look for another to be blamed as a scapegoat. One merely has to look at my manner of writing to see that simple and inarguable fact. Raymond Karczewski

6 June at 03:39

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Nigel Beckwith

I don't argue either....oh no I don't!

6 June at 04:09

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Scott Andrews

Well thats just it, I am looking at the manner of your writing, and sense an imbalance. Not looking for truths out of anyone here, there is no need for me to find that which doesn't need to be found.

There is a sense of loneliness and spite in the manner of your expressions Raymond, where as with Arthur and Fiona, I sense a great hope and joy for life and for the families of this world. (Of course these are the perceptions of words, and not the Man. However the way we express ourselves is very telling)

I wish that I had a space I could invite you all, where I could feed you and nourish your energies with the beauty of creation, far away from the distractions of these hijacked thoughts so many succumb to... We all want the same thing essentially, we just struggle with our lazy ways of word expression. The internet is such a dull form of expression, and wish we could all discuss these feelings within tribes so that we could communicate with all of our senses involved in our perceptions.

6 June at 08:07

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Arthur Cristian

Awesome post Scott - we get it and dream for this to be so here and now.

7 June at 01:52

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Nigel Beckwith

(I'm invisible)

7 June at 01:55

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Arthur Cristian

Raymond, we dream for you and all of MANS uniqueness and originality to be untouched in present-sense, to always be pure and sincere, to always be honoured, respected, protected and nurtured by all the virtues of love co-created by all of MAN all around us, this means we live for your freedom, for your space-of-love (nature/earth), so that you may have your dreaming be magnificent and like the wind under our wings, elevate all of us in elation for your love (dream/aspiration/inspiration) for life. We are committed and determined to get rid of "The System" in all its forms so that all of MAN can again have their space of love so they can once again create their unique original dreams that do no harm to MAN, Nature/Earth, where they can always experience joy, happiness, abundance, certainty, contentment, peace, truth, freedom, health, etc, be they alone or with a partner or a family or a tribe or all of it combined in their unique way.

We live for you Raymond, you are our brother and we give you our very best and that is because there is nothing else for us to live for. We refuse to make MAN our enemy or a combatant. Be assured that all of our waking life is focused on creating a living doable practical paradise for all of MAN and all of nature/earth without invalidating or corrupting MANS uniqueness and originality. We are not interested in anything else. Anyone who has got to know us intimately and there are many, will testify this truth/fact. Since March 2005, we've sacrificed almost everything of our lives to free up the options required that allow us to do this Love For Life work. We are relentless and will not stop in creating Kindoms/Do No Harm Communities for the benefit of all of MAN. We seek no fame or glory, we would rather be living in paradise and be completely forgotten about resting in a hammock listening to the birds and the bees and the whistling of the breeze through the trees.

7 June at 02:43

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Raymond Karczewski

BALANCE, BALANCE: Whose unbalanced, A Christ or the World?

Scott Andrews wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

sa: > Well thats just it, I am looking at the manner of your writing, and sense an imbalance. Not looking for truths out of anyone here, there is no need for me to find that which doesn't need to be found.

rk: Scott, the perception of imbalance is your own projected assessment. You see, I don't go mining for truth in the satanic conditioned consciousness of the profane. I merely point to the obstructions to truth that dominates their consciousness. What upsets people the most is that they cannot defend the illusions from which they hide behind.

sa: > There is a sense of loneliness and spite in the manner of your expressions Raymond, where as with Arthur and Fiona, I sense a great hope and joy for life and for the families of this world. (Of course these are the perceptions of words, and not the Man. However the way we express ourselves is very telling)

rk: Scott, you confuse "aloneness" for "loneliness". All Christs, simple men and women of Truth are ALONE (All One) with Truth. It cannot be shared with the profane who are herd-thinking, outer directed conditioned automatons. That is the soul of organizationally tainted sheeple expressing itself amid like minded sufferers.. They are the ones who remain in pain yet are too damned dumb to relieve themselves of such illusory burden. It is not a play on words when I say that ALL MEN ARE LIVING UNDER THE THRALL OF SATANIC CONDITIONING, ALL. A Christ is one who has understood such conditioning and Transcended it.

rk: These satanic conditioned people live in denial. When I address them, they cannot escape the piercing ray of Truth which sears away the obstructing illusions of belief, and exposes them for what they Truly are. If my comments were not true, why would anyone be disturbed by them?

sa: > I wish that I had a space I could invite you all, where I could feed you and nourish your energies with the beauty of creation, far away from the distractions of these hijacked thoughts so many succumb to...

rk: I probably would not attend. All such philosophizing is Satanic in Nature. Quite frankly, my message is based in the simple truth, and such simplicity is NOT UNDERSTOOD. Most of these promoted occasions you wish for amount to nothing more than competitive gamesmanship, one-upmanship, power struggles, ego enhancement and the like. I have yet to see where such occasions have not been bound by satanic rules of civility, while the cunning and the persuasive whose Positive imaged fantasies do not amount to anaestitising the painful consciousness of those who rationalize their lives away with "Coulda Woulda, Shoulda."

sa: > We all want the same thing essentially, we just struggle with our lazy ways of word expression. The internet is such a dull form of expression, and wish we could all discuss these feelings within tribes so that we could communicate with all of our senses involved in our perceptions.

rk: I want no such thing. I HAVE IT. I have no worldly desires ruling my consciousness. To most of you, such a statement is incomprehensible. I understand who I am, and have faced 18 years of internet attack which shows that I cannot be shaken by clever wordmeisters practising their dark satanic craft of Disinformation.

rk: Yes indeed. I continue to stand alone, while waves of attackers and ignoramuses do not last very long when they seek to destroy the Truth that is the essence of my writing. You see, the profane, the satanically controlled sheeple play at the periphery and pretend they resonate at the root of spiritual understanding. There can be no peace amongst tribes of such spiritual ignoramuses. Are they not captive of their own allegiance to group satanic rule?

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7 June at 02:42

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Arthur Cristian

A MAN has spoken, let him be.

7 June at 02:44

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Arthur Cristian

All of MAN are equal, no MAN is master of another MAN, we are ALL Unique and Original not one the same as the next.

7 June at 02:48

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Arthur Cristian

Seduced or enforced by (under) another MANS IMAGE POWER is both the sign, the warning and the source of trauma and conflict.

7 June at 02:52

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Scott Andrews

"All such philosophizing is Satanic in Nature." I suppose you are an exception because you just share a message than right? You never philosophize because everything you say you stand alone with, and everything you say is for you and you alone? How else could you describe your words as not philosophical?

"they cannot defend the illusions from which they hide behind". Sounds awfully familiar to a christ delusion.

"If my comments were not true, why would anyone be disturbed by them?" Well in that rationale, everything Arthur and Fiona say should be true as well. Oh yea, your a Christ, so I guess it only makes sense for you.

My dreamt invitation to you, was not an invitation to come and talk about the shoulda woulda coulda's, it was simply a thought to get you out of your trailer and into a natural living world. So that a Man would find that he is not alone, because he is apart of a life that takes care of him.

7 June at 03:48

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Scott Andrews

"I want no such thing. I HAVE IT. I have no worldly desires ruling my consciousness." Kind of short sighted reply, I never mentioned anything about what you already have, I was talking about the things we all want, what many admittedly don't have. Like love, truth, joy, abundance, peace, harmony. If you do have these things and stand alone with them and don't share them with all of life, the last 18 years of silly internet debate/philosophizing (or in your claim, messages of truth) have been, and will continue to be for nothing, but to further saturate your delusions of aloneness. And if you have no worldly desires ruling your consciousness, why bother with the desire to spread a message of christ?

7 June at 04:05

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Raymond Karczewski

Rationalizations of a Conditioned Ignoramus

sa: > "I want no such thing. I HAVE IT. I have no worldly desires ruling my consciousness." Kind of short sighted reply, I never mentioned anything about what you already have, I was talking about the things we all want, what many admittedly don't have.

rk: My point exactly. You folks, bound by Satanic Conditioning don't have truth in your lives. You worship the idea, the illusion of Truth. When you come face to face with the actual holistic resonance of truth. YOU SIMPLY FREAK OUT.

sa: > If you do have these things and stand alone with them and don't share them with all of life, the last 18 years of silly internet debate/philosophizing (or in your claim, messages of truth) have been, and will continue to be for nothing, but to further saturate your delusions of aloneness.

rk: But I DO SHARE with all. That cannot be disputed. Your attempt at distorting the meaning of my statement only indicts you as a prideful ignoramus. However the spiteful reaction of ignoramuses everwhere, incapable of understanding the Truth is none of my business. YOu damn yourselves with your own prideful ignorance.

sa: > And if you have no worldly desires ruling your consciousness, why bother with the desire to spread a message of christ?

rk: Scott, your own narrow, limited, conflicted, opposing dualistic Intellect prevents you from understanding such simple revelations of a Christ.

rk: A better question is, "if your opposed to my writing so, why do you continue to read and respond to them. Such is the nature of Satanic addiction which compels you to make everything into an argument. Hell, isn't it?

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ

7 June at 04:56

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Scott Andrews

Well this would be another reason for face to face communication with our senses, you might just see that I'm not here arguing, simple having a discussion..sometimes hard to convey through words.. Not here looking for truth, just discussing thoughts, feelings and actions. If you feel so offended by my remarks to feel you must continue on calling me names, and damning the Man filled of life and beauty who is trying to communicate with you, than I will continue to leave you alone as before, and not discuss with you further.

Wish you well,
Man

..I sat with 4 great horned owls today, nearby a weathered cottonwood tree. She was a mother and three kin with very sensual eyes. Moments like these bring me closer to home, and am thankful for being raised so close to natural life, for this Man's pure contemplation, inspired by the joy of creation.

7 June at 06:59

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Arthur Cristian

Show us a thought without sensory-life thinking/being that thought Raymond?

Without sensory-life no thought can be thought or felt/sensed.

Truth is not thought alone Raymond, truth lives, breathes, walks, talks, co-creates life, etc.

We sense Scott's intention and we support the sensory-life Scott dreams for and is committed co-creating in present-sense.

While waking up in the middle of a trauma based nightmare of lies that have brainwashed us, without ever having been provided with idiot-friendly full-disclosure as to what would become of our lives when we set non-sense images into motion, is what had us be severely compromised and as this "compromised state" fades away to nothing what comes to the foreground are our intentions revealing the purity and sincerity of our lives making whole out of what has been broken of MAN (us) and Nature/Earth all around us.

In our unique ways we are all learning how to change our lives by creating do no harm dreams to live and be fully-responsible for. We live for the full-responsibility of caring for the dream of life. We are not interested in the limited-responsibility of being engaged with ONLY thoughts" of a Christ" without sensory life to enrich us all-around. We are not interested in being drained by non-sense. The pull to/of nature with its smorgasbord of sensory sensations, inspirations, and aspirations that arise as we are present to nature with our senses has a far far far far far far far far far far far far greater pull for us than the enchantment of a MAN who communicates ONLY "THOUGHTS" of a Christ.

To us, there is more to life than just a MAN inside a caravan plugged into "The System", especially a MAN who lives for the continuation of men, women and children being brainwashed by non-sense images so that they can be conned into giving up their uniqueness and originality by being educated into becoming those slaves performing as cogs in the wheels of "The System" progress so that this MAN in a caravan can communicate his THOUGHTS of a Christ. Hell isn't it Raymond!

7 June at 14:18

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, What drivel! I notice scot remains silent but likes your post. He's found in you his champion to face problems that he should face himself. Is that not the nature of the system who employs experts to represent them. Your lengthy articles are a combination of Truth and Gibberish. It is the gibberish that is shoveled into the undiscriminating minds of sheeple. Arthur you have become such a champion for ignoramuses who cannot navigate life beyond their limited conditioned belief systems. Sorry Arthur, your overly complicated theories just don't wash in the simple environment of Direct Perception of Truth. They are designed to overwhelm nonthinkers who are crippled sheeple in today's Society. Raymond Karczewski

7 June at 13:55

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Arthur Cristian

We thank you for sharing your insights with us over the "years" and we wish you and your family the very best Raymond. We will shortly be posting on your FB wall our last installment (part 2 and 3) to the recent debate/discussion we had with you, a debate where you still have not been able to debunk the insights we share and this FACT still continues here in this thread. Your refusal or inability to sincerely answer our questions/probes has been noticed by many Raymond but we do not hold this against you, if anything and its just our opinion, it's more than likely caused by a deep-seated trauma still plaguing you, but hey, show us any MAN brought up by/in "The System" not effected/infected by Trauma, "past", present or "future". Again, we truly love you Raymond and we assure you that we will always be there for you whenever you need our assistance, particularly if your physical body ever gets kidnapped or attacked again by those who do not value others not stuck under the IMAGE-POWER of their superiors.

7 June at 14:17

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur and Fiona, Welcome to the masses of disinformation agents who have, throughout the last 18 years, ultimately thrown their hands up and slither away from communicating with a simple man of Truth, A Christ. All because they cannot dislodge, smear or verbally much up the Christly Mirror of Truth which reflects their behavior. Raymond Karczewski

7 June at 14:21

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Arthur Cristian

That is your claim Ray, a claim thus far you have not been able to back up. To us, what you have just written is a LIE of many LIES. In the debate/discussion we recently had with you, we demolished your claims, completely blew them out of the water (not you the living-sensory MAN who we intend to never do harm to) and even in this thread you continue operating n complete ignorance and denial of others, of men and women uniquely and originally different to you, people sharing insights that clearly shows the way how we can continue expanding consciousness beyond the grips of another MANS IMAGE POWER without corrupting or giving up anyones uniqueness and originality and this includes yours (who you really are) Raymond. Rest easy mate, its not about who is smarter and more "all knowing" than another, to us it's all about (where we are always coming from) the quality of the do no harm walk-the-talk way of life we each live. If and when the opportunity presents and you have not "permanently rested" the physical body of "Raymond Karczewski" in the meantime, we (and our children) look forward to visiting you (and your caravan), to share hugs and laughter all around while we observe and contemplate on how this MAN Ray lives.

7 June at 14:36

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur it is very clear to all those who have spiritual sight, that you and I are coming from vastly different levels of consciousness. You cannot speak simply, clearly and directly. With your complicated explanation of theories which require another's belief are you not merely RECONDITIONING those who are searching for a way out of their despair. All conditioning, and reconditioning are of a Satanic Nature. It is the way of the world. You'll note that I don't argue with baiting words such as "claims". You see, I don't make claims. I merely state the truth of a moment that is inescapable by satanic driven intellectuals and one can either take it or leave it. It is that holistic energy that drives fragmented intellectual oriented debaters up the wall. Your voluminous explanations in playing "catchup" and designed to save face proves that. Our relationship has served a purpose though. It has drawn a spotlight on the behavior of a persuasive intellectual and a simple Christ. I will leave you to your thousands of followers, for not a one of them have their spiritual eyes open to Truth. Raymond Karczewski

7 June at 14:51

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Arthur Cristian

Thanks for your outburst of "THOUGHT" (IMAGE-POWER) Raymond.

7 June at 15:33

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Scott Andrews

Now you can be my champion

...spotlight alright. Served a purpose, for sure. Serious amount of respect for all Men here, and everything written, true.

7 June at 18:49

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Arthur Cristian

Like a pregnant woman going through intensive labour, hours after hours, there is that final important release & immense relief of creation.

Same with Raymond's thoughts (image-power), to us, it's like he is in a "state" of perpetual labour with light at the end of the tunnel so far away that it's ancient for creation to occur. It helps when the hen has done her job and the chicks get to hatch.

Guess, this will go right over Raymond's head as have so many of the insights we've shared with him.

To us we are creation and these debates aids us in creation, there is no point waiting around when we may as well be creation creating our do no harm way of life Kindom dreams by setting them into motion in present-sense so they can be free of our labour.

It seems that Raymond does not want to sense the intentions of others, he is not willing to engage in the themes that arise. We write to explain our views and what we sense so that others can respond likewise; to Raymond, this is playing "catch up". He has not sensed our intention which is always for us all to keep learning so that we see more and more clearly the way out of "The System" and we do this by learning more and more about each others dreams (views, aspirations, etc) so that together in conversation, we can create dreams of mutual benefit that brings us together in the wholeness of a common focus, purpose and intention and that is creating a do no harm way of life conversation and walking-the-talk of that conversation.

With our dreaming that has us do all the Love For Life work we do, that has us set up Facebook walls, a YouTube Channel and a Love For Life website and mailing list, we are creating a practical and doable do no harm way of life conversation to invite and engage others in these Love For Life do no harm way of life conversations because they also have a dream that had them start a do no harm way of life conversation with us, and together, we are meeting up and engaging in a much larger do no harm way of life conversation conducted across social-media websites over the internet.

A practical and doable do no harm way of life set into motion in present-sense is what we live for (where we are always coming from) and is the ONLY reason we are here on Facebook and elsewhere on the internet. We are having many do no harm way of life conversations with thousands and thousands of men and women keen to enter these conversations with us and us with them because we are all dreaming for a practical and doable do no harm way of life that permanently removes us from the clutches of the FORCE behind "The System". But when we engage through responding to Raymond after he has posted his "Christ" conversation we are told by his "Christ" that we are face saving and playing catch up with his "Christ".

So much for our do no harm way of life conversation which is what we are here for.

These do no harm conversations, and there are many, clearly demonstrate our intentions (what we live for), but Raymond refuses to see or acknowledge his complicity to/with "The System" of harm-doing while in conversation with us about his "Christ". It is clear for all to see that Raymond is heavily plugged into "The System" BUT he won't enter such a do no harm way of life conversation with us, using scrutiny to focus on his involvement and support of "The System" of harm-doing because he is too caught up in his Christ" conversation to do so. If we can't enter a conversation of scrutiny about "The System" with Raymond then there is no intention coming from Raymond to depart from "The System" of harm-doing AND he is not interested in who we really are as MAN, our dreams, and what we live for. And this is why he just completely ignores us and our intentions (conversation) for being on Facebook, etc, and ONLY wants to engage with us through Raymond's "Christ" conversation. This means who we really are and what we are really about and live for is not on Raymond's radar. Only his "Christ" conversation is on his radar.

"The System" already brings us together in a common purpose and intention but the side-effects are so extreme and terrible that many of us have started a do no harm way of life conversation because we need to find other unique ways of an ongoing togetherness where we don't do harm to each other and Nature/Earth.

It is setting these common dreams into motion that gets us out of "The System".

If every MAN is an island and we are all plugged into "The System", how do we put an end to "The System" that is causing so much harm to everybody, harm we have documented so extensively over the past 8 years and to which no one has been able to debunk in a debate (conversation), including Raymond?

With Raymond, on one hand we have his "Christ" and on the other hand we have Raymond completely plugged into "The System". Under Raymond's present circumstances, in MANS everyday life bound to "The System" of harm-doing, where does harm end and paradise begin for all of MAN? When we look into Raymond's "Christ" work we don't see where harm ends and paradise begins. This is obvious because it shows up over and over again in his "Christ" writings that he does not take full-responsibility for his support in "The System" of harm-doing (maybe its beneath his "Christ" conversation) and if he really does not want "The System" of harm-doing in all its forms, how are we to know, he never mentions anything to us about it, he just rehashes his "Christ" conversation over and over and over and over again. That's mostly what we get from him.

This is why we say you are an island, Raymond, and you have every right to be one if that is what you want, but the consequence of life becoming islands is that the sun refuses to shine on the forests and the clouds refuse to let go of their rain. Co-creation stops and life is doomed. You do not have to engage, as you don't, by not responding to our questions and the points we raise (and we are not complaining) but, if you are making comments on what people say on Facebook walls, etc, that are all about do no harm way of life conversations, you should expect them to respond from their intentions, from their dreams, from where they stand and live for!

Does this make it catch up or face saving Raymond?

You are a very high and mighty Christ, Raymond.

Is this what we all should be?

We are not on your radar because you will not sense our intentions and work with that, the way we work with yours and the intentions of others who write. We explain things in detail so that people can comprehend our intentions and we learn more about theirs. This is the gift of scrutiny. All you have, Raymond, are the views of your "Christ" and how you express them, but, while you refuse to see the intentions of others and make claims about them - face saving, playing catch up. etc, you are hijacking their characters so you can act as an impostor of them, usurping the unique original MAN that we are through your "Christ" conversations, as discussed previously in the recent debate we had with, which obviously is continuing here in this thread. You blatantly continue to ignore us and you even throw your barbs at us when we respond to your "Christ" conversation by deconstructing them through scrutiny just because we are looking for the jewels in your "Christ" work which supports the do no harm, walk-the-talk, way of life conversation we live for.

So much for recognising uniqueness and originality in others.

This is blatant image power at play Raymond.

Again, we live for a do no harm way of life and are in conversation with others who live for this dream so that together we can set a practical, doable paradise way of life in motion in present-sense. This means we've started taking full-responsibility for stopping harm being set into motion, not all of it yet, but we are in conversation with others to co-create a Kindom Paradise so that we can all completely stop all forms of harm doing being set into motion ASAP. This is our conversation, this is what our lives are all about, this is what we live for Raymond. In the debate with you, link provided above, we have asked you questions as to how your "Christ" conversation can help in this cause we live for. We have pointed out how you currently live in your caravan totally plugged into "The System, and we mention all this, as that is the conversation we live for, because we are keen to learn about what is the legacy you are creating that helps your and our descendants live in Paradise. So far almost nothing has come from you as a reply to these many questions which tells us you are not interested in us and our dreams or are keeping it all secret, which we doubt immensely. Has your "Christ" conversation got something to do with all of this?

8 June at 00:44

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Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201224098432599

The Cristian Family November 2006

Conversation/Debate With Raymond Karczewski
Continued In Another Facebook Thread
On Nigel Beckwith's Facebook Wall

Link: https://www.facebook.com/nigel.beckwith/posts/10200170425611396?comment_...

16th June 2013 05:24

Nigel Beckwith

It may not be popular, but the truth is, we have to work hard together with Ego under control if we are to make a difference in this world. That is the only way.

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Philip Dawson

Take NO prisoners
Take NO shit
Tell it like it is
AND
We HAVE to hear the truth or we will just continue as we always have.
It is up to us to be brave and face whatever is thrown at us. We are truly on this journey alone, ONLY I can speak my truth and only you can speak your truth, it is this that unites us but we remain true to ourselves and answer to no one.

Those who wish to deny the truth CAN, however if they cannot justify their statements they are LIES, pure and simple.
To deny is EASY and is counter productive and destroys, if they wish to do that it is for their account not mine.
Mine and YOUR conscience is CLEAR.

AND YES THAT IS THE ONLY WAY

Namaste, rev phil;

Sunday at 06:13

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Jiminy Cricket

Ego begone, (apart from writing a solo album, painting a self portrait, some poems, an autobiography, cooking for yourself, etc.. haha you get the idea.)

Sunday at 06:41

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Nigel Beckwith

Ego under control...is what I wrote. But hey.

Sunday at 06:42

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Jiminy Cricket

Oh true, Sorry. I'm tripping, missed that, haha. As you were, I like it!

Sunday at 06:43

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Jiminy Cricket

For anyone who's interested, I love this! A very not ego guy who quit the Red Hot Chili Peppers because (as far as I'm concerned,) he's got better things to do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOT9VD4KxxY&list=PLAADE8FA86BA3B0DF

Sunday at 06:45

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Raymond Karczewski

It is impossible to change anyone else but yourselves. Therefore it is impossible to change the world ruled by thought. That is the satanic trap which binds men's souls. It is that enslavement to satanic thought which is demonstrated when men argue with one another about the validity of their images and illusions, ghostly spectres which captivate their conditioned ego driven intellect. One must step out of such satanic ruled consciousness to "be in this world but not of it." Speak only Truth and you shall be seen as an enemy of the Civilized World. Raymond Karczewski

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Philip Dawson

Just shared THAT Raymond, very good, and interesting and thoughtful insight.

Namaste, rev phil;

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Nigel Beckwith

We are always influencing each other Raymond. It happens all the time. The reason the Satanic world works like clockwork..for them is because they DO work together. Just what do you expect to happen? When we change ourselves do we change our surroundings? I mean be clear and say how you expect to get out of this trap? Looking after No 1? Or trying to raise your own consciousness, and then that of those who have ears to hear?

Sunday at 07:41

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Nigel Beckwith

See Raymond, you say the same to Arthur Cristian. That his ideas to try to raise his consciousness and raise that of all around him if he can, is also wrong? Please tell me exactly..once we have changed ourselves...what happens then..just that please Ray.

Sunday at 07:43

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Nigel Beckwith

The answer to reacting to an illusion, is to create your own "reality" is it not?

Sunday at 07:44

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Philip Dawson

Nigel I see it that if we change ourselves we change our perception of all around us we do not change the situation or the world. and in your next comment - Yes - the illusion is a complicated matter and I am not sure anyone knows enough about it to be sure that what we think is correct.
But I do believe you have a point.

Namaste, rev phil;

Sunday at 07:46

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Nigel Beckwith

There is so much that we might say. Not easy. I know mate.

Sunday at 07:47

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Nigel Beckwith

I mean if this is a simulation...then the parameters are cast in stone...so it is just for each one to look after their own salvation

Sunday at 07:48

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Nigel Beckwith

but then..look what happens when we focus on looking after our own salvation....we become egocentric..sociopathic..we lose something very very fundamental.....so then looking after ones own salvation seems suddenly ..redundant!!

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Philip Dawson

Raymond has had a good stab at it and I see merit in it. not all but quite a bit.
As you know I am not a Christian and I am not into this Satan and stuff but our language has not yet evolved enough to truly express what we actually know.

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Nigel Beckwith

Raymond is giving it a go, that is commendable. But so far I am not sure it meets and solves all the conundrums, it just offers the New Age answer...look after your own salvation. Now just look at where we are..illusion or not ..as if our consciousness changes the perception of the illusion..then it changes it also...so what have we changed? Look at the world around us!! Where is the love?? Dod you do it? Did Ray do it?? Now this drift does not seem to be being caught!!

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Nigel Beckwith

Yes mate language is a barrier to the greater consciousness that is available to us...language limits us in expressing that. This is why maybe its good to have discussion to iron it out if we can.

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Philip Dawson

You use an analogy that is not quite accurate Nigel, -simulation - a simulation can by its very nature be programmed to be interactive and not set in concrete. The parameters are not limited and if they were, the limitation would / could be outside of our physical capacity.
Life is limited but what comes after that we do not fully appreciate, YET.

Sunday at 07:54

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Nigel Beckwith

OK

Sunday at 07:55

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Nigel Beckwith

what I meant was something similar to a computer simulation. A programme, with finite parameters that we cannot change by thought, but that we can have some small choice over the paths we might take.

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Philip Dawson

BUT, I am not saying your explanation is not interesting. It is. If only we had more info, I believe THAT is what we are fighting for freedom for.

Sunday at 07:56

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Nigel Beckwith

Some see this as that of...NO FREEWILL. They make complex arguments for it and there is a lot of literature for it

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Philip Dawson

Too true, too much, maybe

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Nigel Beckwith

so you seem to be saying what I feel this is...that this arena is somewhat malleable to our will if we do it right/

Sunday at 07:57

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Nigel Beckwith

Yes???

Sunday at 07:57

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Nigel Beckwith

But freedom suggests Freewill

Sunday at 07:58

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Nigel Beckwith

and what Raymond appears to be arguing for is something that is not Freewill oriented

Sunday at 07:59

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Nigel Beckwith

If we can only change ourselves..and not the programme...what does that mean in practise?

Sunday at 07:59

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Philip Dawson

We have choices, and those choices lead to experience and those experiences lead to knowledge and that knowledge brings acceptance.

Once we accept ourselves and our limitations we are unbridled and can experience more.
It is the letting go that is the most difficult and fearsome thing

Sunday at 08:00

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Nigel Beckwith

what sort of world would we be in...having changed ..and not being able to improve that which is around us??

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Nigel Beckwith

It might seem like HELL.

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Nigel Beckwith

OK..but from what Raymond seems to be saying...I am not sure it goes with that.

Sunday at 08:01

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Nigel Beckwith

The point is if there are choices

Sunday at 08:01

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Nigel Beckwith

and you choose to look after your own salvation alone...you may find that has left you down a blind alley.

Sunday at 08:01

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Nigel Beckwith

And far from a spiritually enlightened position....merely finding oneself in the trap of Ego...self centredness.

Sunday at 08:02

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Nigel Beckwith

Heck what do I know.

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Philip Dawson

Well, it doesn't have to. But the first two sentences are spot on - however the rest of it speaks to those who can translate the satan stuff to what is actually there. We do HOLD on to stuff when we argue, you know this to be true, even if we don't believe what we are arguing for. We sometimes, not me, now anyway, hold the belief only to prove a point - you have seen it yourself nigel.

To be in the world and not of it is a little new agey but I get the point.

Sunday at 08:05

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Philip Dawson

However LOVE is ALL there IS and all there should be.
Hang me for being a sentimentalist

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Nigel Beckwith

What I am saying is that what Raymond wrote was not ultimately helpful, whilst offering some degree of truth. It was not ballanced.

Sunday at 08:07

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Nigel Beckwith

The thing is that there may not really be a duality...unless we are stuck in its trap...

Sunday at 08:08

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Nigel Beckwith

hence Satan and God....well what are they really.

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Philip Dawson

I saw some potential and rather wished to fan the flame, we all change over time and his thoughts are reasonable, I could equate. I was and am interested in others thoughts because it helps to formulate my own thoughts. I do not let just anything in my heart bot when I do I do not hang on to it, I wait and gather more to either qualify or disqualify what I hold and then paste in what confirms and delete what doesn't.

It works for me, but then I consider myself to be a simple sentient.

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Philip Dawson

hence Satan and God....well what are they really. EXACTLY

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Nigel Beckwith

Maybe the ways out of this trap is not as many as we would hope. So trying to work it out is surely helpful. Don't give up.

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Philip Dawson

Oh I do know HOW to get out of the trap, it is THAT which is difficult, it is a choice that we dare not make in this life and one that many centuries ago was made quite easily, and you are SPOT ON about the religious aspect, THAT IS the trap, Oh believe me it is true.

I am nearly there with my )"&()*" (there are NO words for this). we get one chance to do it and if we get it wrong we come back. But after talking with enegis I am having to get to grips with HIS take on it too. All very interesting stuff and fucking complicated. LOL

Sunday at 08:18

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Raymond Karczewski

Curse of the Satanic World

Nigel Beckwith wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

nb: "It may not be popular, but the truth is, we have to work hard together with Ego under control if we are to make a difference in this world. That is the only way."

rk: < It is impossible to change anyone else but yourselves. Therefore it is impossible to change the world ruled by thought. That is the satanic trap which binds men's souls. It is that enslavement to satanic thought which is demonstrated when men argue with one another about the validity of their images and illusions, ghostly spectres which captivate their conditioned ego driven intellects. One must step out of such satanic ruled consciousness to "be in this world but not of it." Speak only Truth and you shall be seen as an enemy of the Civilized World.

nb: > We are always influencing each other Raymond. It happens all the time. The reason the Satanic world works like clockwork..for them is because they DO work together. Just what do you expect to happen? When we change ourselves do we change our surroundings? I mean be clear and say how you expect to get out of this trap? Looking after No 1? Or trying to raise your own consciousness, and then that of those who have ears to hear?

rk: Nigel, your focus is intellectual therefore limited in scope. A hundred people working together based on an ideal, is not any different from One whose life is lived on an ideal. Ideals are satanic illusions. All Ideas are fantasies, be they positive or negative. They are dualistic mechanisms which make for division, conflict, violence, power. It is responsible for Hell on Earth --NO EXCEPTIONS.

rk: The release from such hell comes only with the resurrection of the Spirit of Divine Awareness, Truth, once the intellect is silenced. Why continue with all this nonsense of arguing over every "jot and tittle." when all you have to do is mirror the dualistic lie with nondualistic Truth.

rk: Here is how you change yourself and therefore your world. From this moment forward until the moment of your death, NEVER TELL ANOTHER LIE. Not a Black lie, nor a White lie. Nor a lie of ommission. Nor do you support any lie. You BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT LIES. Do that, and you are FREE, BEYOND THE INFLUENCE OF SATANIC THOUGHT.

rk: When the lie is not, the illusion is not -- TRUTH IS. I assure you, that YOU WILL RAISE HELL WITH THE WORLD AROUND YOU. Have you not seen that clearly demonstrated in damned near, just about all of my relationships with others on the Internet? Why is that? We use the same language, don't we, the same words, yet my energy disturbs their status quo of belief padded cubbyhole in hell, does it not?

rk: You see, Nigel, and all others reading this, the Lie, is the basis of the Civilized world, ruled by a Satanic thought-based Intellect.

rk: I acknowledge that is is a given that we must use Intellect to solve technical problems and to communicate through language with other intellects, but it is only the Christ, the simple man/woman of Truth who is master of his/her own Intellect, while all others remain slaves to their satanic, dualistic, opposing, outer directed/conditioned intellects -- the computer-like instrument which makes up their CULTURAL view of the world.

rk: You've heard the adage, "You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear." Nor can you or anyone else make a Master out of a Slave.
Such transition comes only when the lie is seen for what it is and falls away only to reveal what has been previously hidden from view by all the cultural clutter -- TRUTH.

rk: Truth is unassailable, invulnerable to harm from attacks by Illusion. It just pisses pompous satanists off when their illusions are reflected back to them by the simple "Mirror of Truth". That is the only change that can come about in a relationship between the mass mind of satanic illusion and a simple man in resonance with holistic Truth.

rk: Many view me as a pompous "knowitall" In their conditioned, complexity, but ignorant-ridden state of dualistic confusion, they are incapable of discerning the simple, nondualistic energy of a man of Truth.

rk: The satanic ruled intellect must be silenced for the Resurrection of the Divine Spirit of Truth, God to reveal itself. Truth, God is always with you, but has allowed Satan, the "petty god of Intellect" to seduce you away from it with promises of Illusions which are fleeting at best when one comes to understand the eternity which is life.

rk: Arthur Cristian, a good man, stands proudly when he demands first party proof of Truth that cannot be proven but remains self-evident to the spiritually sensitive, the spiritually sighted. Arthur stubbornly remains at the intellectual level of the "Idea of Truth," a mechanical, dead concept which he shares with lawyers, other wordmeisters, and manipulators of such images which can and is indeed, subject to proof. Truth is well beyond the limited scope of the Satanic Intellect and therefore is immune from the slings and arrows of Illusion.

rk: That is what is meant when a Christ, a Simple Man/Woman of Truth states that he/she "are in this world, but not of it."

rk: Nigel, I hope this clarifies a few things for you.

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ

Sunday at 08:54

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Arthur Cristian

See, you are lying again Raymond about where we are coming from and heading, in fact it is slander. You obviously don't use your senses when you read our writings.

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

Sunday at 13:15

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Arthur Cristian

Another one here: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201224098432599

(posted above in this Love For Life webpage thread)

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur you are claiming that I am lying again, when you do not understand what Truth is. You are focused on the IDEA OF TRUTH, which is a satanic illusion, and therefore you can only argue and debate when your limitations of thought are exposed. I have just TOLD YOU THE TRUTH. IT IS INARGUABLE, SO YOU CAN TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. Don't waste my time with your Face-saving tactics and I will not waste yours. What can be clearer than that! Raymond Karczewski

Sunday at 13:25

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Arthur Cristian

Maybe "one day" the penny will drop for you Raymond. MAN is creation, every instant Of MANS moment is creation set into motion. Thoughts are given life, what "The System" calls "Birth". Walk-the-talk Raymond, meaning create the Christ, meaning give birth to Christ. To us, you appear to be in a very long labour of pain (pregnancy) holding off giving birth (walk-the-talk) to your thoughts of Christ. Again, walk-the-talk of Christ Raymond, much better than presently walking-the-talk of "The System" of harm-doing you support and are heavily plugged into (worship). The links provided above covers this theme again, again and again. Below is an example of this FACT, taken from one of our recent posts posted on Arthur's Facebook wall.

Re-presenting intellectual property will never get you to truth, instead it's part of the shattered reality, as in shattered nature/earth, shattered truth, shattered peace, shattered freedom, shattered joy, shattered abundance, shattered lives........... everyone (shattered MAN) is trapped within.

This shattered reality is Wonderland and all those shattered are trapped as Alice looking through the Looking Glass.

Re-presenting intellectual property is re-presenting the thoughts and ideas made up by other men and women telling you and others how to think, feel and act about sensory life-forms all around you as in MAN/Nature/Earth/Celestial Bodies.

For example; a child is told that this sensory life form over there is called a daffodil, it's yellow, it's part of this and that and does this and that, etc, etc. When the child next comes into contact (direct experience) with the sensory life-form through sight, sound, touch, flavour, feel and smell, the brainwashing/braindirtying the child has received through this Satanic/Freemasonic programming tactic instructs the child to disconnect from sensing, 1st party to 1st party, fully using his/her brain, the sensory information a sensory life-form is directly sharing with him or her. This does not end with childhood; as we become adults we are still subjected to the thoughts of other men and women telling us how to think and feel about nearly everything in our lives.

This disconnection from the senses is the shattered reality in practice and is what becomes emotional illness as we struggle, like ships adrift, to make sense of who we are and what we are supposed to be doing with our lives. We have been uprooted and the pain and suffering of this, the disconnection from our senses, can lead to arrogance, aloofness and coldness, to a pre-dominance of intellectual thought without any real empathy and compassion for life around us. Hence our ability to harm and main life without compunction, to subject animals to daily torture and degradation so that we may feast on them or their products, to chop down tracts of forest and jungle, depriving millions of life forms of their habitat, to spew all our filth into the oceans to pollute the seas, and to attack those who do want to reconnect with their senses because this idea seems non-sense to them when, in fact, to remain disconnected is non-sense.

In this state of disconnection, in present-sense, we are now no longer able to sense the true purpose of sensory life-forms co-creating the dream of life with us.

In present-sense, we are now unable to have direct experience/perception with the sensory dream of life all around us.

In present-sense, we are now incapable of creating original thoughts inspired by the sensations of direct experience/perception with sensory life-forms all around us.

In present-sense, we are now LOST and TRAPPED in a shattered reality.

We no longer know who we really are and what we are really part of.

Our natural ability to create a unique, original MAN has been shattered by others who are now in control of what we think, feel and set into motion.

We are now dumbed-down hue-MANS.

The hue is the "intellectual property" of Wonderland we are now re-presenting that is the reflection (the shadow) in the mirror of Alice's Looking Glass. Hijacked into Wonderland we are now seeing all of life and our lives through images other men and women told us to think, feel and set into motion.

This shattered reality IS "THE SYSTEM" with us now, puppets on a string.

In present-sense, the master puppeteers overseeing their "System" of power and control are supplying their images to us and compelling us to set them into motion.

We are now compelled to set lies and fraud into motion.

We are now re-presenting "intellectual property" to create a HOOD that IS the shattered reality being set into motion by us.

This hood is no different to taking a potato sack to completely cover (bag) a sensory life form in DARKNESS.

In present-sense, re-presenting "intellectual property" causes us to disconnect from SENSE, from reality.

The hood is made up of NON-SENSORY images which we can never SENSE.

Re-presenting "intellectual Property" causes us to be lost in NON-SENSE images that are really the projection of MAN-made-DARKNESS. This darkness is an illusion, is the matrix.

All thoughts are images - all images are thoughts.

While trapped in "The System" of Wonderland, now imagine just how many images we are setting into motion in our every day life to create our shattered realities; non-sensory images coming from television, Hollywood, newspapers, current affairs, advertising, books, computers, electronic digital data, internet, emails, radio-waves, microwaves, etc, websites, education, information from everyone infected directly or indirectly by all university courses and careers and from all alphabet languages, mathematics and geometry/sacred geometry and all images that come out of them to construct the constructs of "The System" Wonderland for us to set our shattered reality into motion.

If we are sincere and pure in our intention, we will sense/witness just how deep the shattered reality (the matrix) goes and that WE (MAN) are the ONLY ones responsible for creating it and spreading it all around with our compliance to our "masters" and to our belief, faith and associated opinion in their "intellectual property".

Darkness are images (thoughts/ideas) made up by the Freemasonic/Satanic invaders of tribes of MAN all across Earth who conquered and educated Tribes of MAN to become their slaves. To keep them and their descendants as slaves, Satanists/Freemasons designed "The System" of Wonderland to provide a Looking Glass of "Intellectual Property" with the intention, through education, to keep them trapped in "The System" of Wonderland.

As all lies/frauds wear thin, and as recorded across the Freemasonic/Satanic "ages", many civilisations of "The System" have come and gone but the same scam continues under another guise. The current model called "The Western World" which is now being dismantled to usher in their next version of Wonderland identified as the "New World Order" = One World System = One World Government, Army, Religion, Commerce, Language, Education, etc.

As "The System" grew, the invaders arrived on supposed "new lands" as missionaries, botanists, scientists, surveyors, priests, etc. They lived amongst the tribes of MAN while documenting their customs and their tongues, recording the natural environment and landscape, etc, until they built up a BIG-PICTURE world of recorded HIS-STORY (history) in their Satanic/Freemasonic alphabet languages. This documentation could have gone on for up to 200 years or even more. Once the recorded his-story/her-story was complete the Satanists/Freemasons sent in their armies and warships to invade and decimate the tribes of MAN (including those across Europe) and those who remained, mainly children, were then brainwashed into the recorded Freemasonic/Satanic version of their HIS-STORY.

This was how tribes of MAN gradually drifted away from passing their true heritage down from MAN to MAN. The songs that their ancestors passed down to their children and their descendants, their unique dreams for the dream of life and their purpose in the dream of life, to be expanded upon by their descendants with their unique thoughts, were shocked out of them through shock, trauma, humiliation, ridicule, abuse, torment, murder, ritual sacrifices, terror campaigns, rape, pillage, plunder, etc,.

They were trained to FALL into "The System" of Wonderland provided by third party interlopers, intermeddlers and interceders pushing another version of their recorded his-story/her-story. By setting into motion the Satanic/Freemasonic recorded version of his-story/her-story that is "intellectual property", they and their descendants gradually expanded a shattered reality through generations spiralling out of control, forgetting who they really are and what they are really part of as they fell down and down and down into a shattered reality to "today", where some of us are really waking up to what little remains of our true heritage. This is all of us all across Earth.

The Freemasonic/Satanic lackeys taught tribes of MAN to fall into their looking glass, trapping them under "SPELLS" of DARKNESS that are non-sensory images. In turn, compliant and under the persecution of their masters, the enslaved dumbed down tribes of MAN educated their children into this darkness. By providing MAN with images of darkness, we collectively create a shattered reality to destroy Earth/Nature by firstly destroying who we really are and are really part of. We have become each others murderers.

Now, in this shattered "state", we can no longer directly sense sensory information coming directly from a sensory life-form willingly sharing its purpose for the sensory dream of life with us. We are hooded, as in a PSYCHOlogical state of a priestHOOD, brotherHOOD, sisterHOOD, childHOOD, liveliHOOD, etc.

We have now been intentionally hijacked from direct sensory experience with the dream of sensory life all around us. This re-direction (re-presentation of intellectual property) CONstructed (the structure/image of the CON) by Freemasonic/Satanic third party interlopers, intermeddlers, interceders, is the shattered reality in practice. The kidnappers are now in control of the IMAGES for the dream of life WE ARE SETTING INTO MOTION. We are now projecting a shattered reality all around. This is how we commit fraud, become liars and do harm to sensory life all around us. This is the shattered reality in practice we see all around us.

The education system including all alphabet languages like English and includes mathematics and geometry and includes ALL university courses and careers, is the intellectual property creating the shattered reality in present-sense. Many of the words we are taught as part of our read and write alphabet languages are trigger points of hypnotic suggestion that keep the spells firmly entrenched in our brains.

While we continue believing in this distorted information and educate others to believe in them, we are committing fraud, are lying and are creating the shattered reality. We (MAN) are the only ones who can set thoughts/images into motion. Thoughts without sensory life embodied/present in them are the shattered reality being practiced (set into motion) in present-sense. All thoughts that embody sensory life do not require us to re-present them. They do not require us to educate our children about them, to tell them how to think, feel and act about them.

The truth of sensory life that is MAN, Earth, Nature (including all celestial bodies) is already present with the presence of life. Do children have to first believe in a tree (re-present intellectual property) before they can sense (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) the tree? The thoughts and ideas that are invented/derived from the man-made constructs of intellectual property are the shattered reality being set into motion by the believers who have fallen into these images (the looking glass) and given their life to them.

By educating our children, we are taking away their opportunity to co-create the images of life in their unique way for the original dream of the MAN they are creating and for the unique dream of the tribe they live for and for the dream of life they live to co-create with and expand. The tribes create their children for them to co-create the dream of life that is nature. Through education, we learn to live for the dream of "The System", to create dreams out of "The System" and to co-create "The System".

Up to roughly 1780AD 99.99% of the total population of MAN all across Earth could not read and write any alphabet language and never did. Even up to 1930AD still more than 90% were illiterate to alphabet languages. This means when you go back through all the ancestors of all recorded history of today's supposed 7 billion population of MAN, they all had nothing to do with recording his-story because they could not do it, they ONLY had their village/tribal talk/songs, none of which were alphabet languages. The only ones who could read and write any alphabet language were the owners of the castles, the high priesthoods, the aristocrats, the land lords and barons, the royal families and all their scribes and lackeys. They represented roughly 20 per one million of the population of MAN. You had to be privileged and initiated to master an alphabet language which often took the better part of 20 years to do so. This included mastering the craft of mathematics and geometry out of which came the commerce of "The System" and all alphabet languages.

All the his-story of "The System" was written by a very few whose job it was to twist the true stories of our tribal-lives before "The System" so that we believe their stories that we are living at the pinnacle of civilisation and that life is as good as it can get. They tell us that we came from squiggly water creatures, that life without "The System" was brutal and savage, that we suffered through the Dark Ages and all the hardships that went with the progress of their system. Surely nothing could be as good as it is now? They cannot bring forward any first party to back their claims, someone who was there and can prove their his-story, any memory from the ancestors to tell us that it was indeed as they say in read and write alphabet language his-story. As soon as the true story of life was no longer being passed down, MAN to MAN, the lies began. The greatest lie/liar is the one closest to the truth. It only takes one lie/liar to do all the damage.

They have had to keep all the tribes of MAN enslaved to "The System" for "The System" to continue and that is still the game of lies being played. Keep us entranced and they keep their power. Shake off their spells, and we re-claim our freedom.

So how can we learn the truth from intellectual property? We have to go back to sense, to nature and connecting with the breath of our ancestors to learn who we really are, what we are really part of and our true purpose. But that would be going back to the Dark Ages, to being savages and heathens ........., wouldn't it?

There is so much more ground to cover the big picture which you can do by reading Love For Life articles and debates and by watching Love For Life videos. Here is a link where you can scroll down through this debate to find them all listed and embedded:

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Sunday at 13:31

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, earlier I said "I have just TOLD YOU THE TRUTH. IT IS INARGUABLE, SO YOU CAN TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. Don't waste my time with your Face-saving tactics and I will not waste yours. What can be clearer than that!

In response to that, look at the flurry of words you have inundated this facebook page with in order to save face and keep the argument going. You are beside yourself with fear of being exposed. You are a fool to continue in the present mode that you're in. YOu risk your credibility with the thousands who follow your work. Raymond Karczewski

Sunday at 13:39

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Arthur Cristian

Again, slander, slander, slander...... All you are doing here Raymond is attempting to kidnap our characters so that you can impersonate them, acting as an impostor of our intentions claiming they are ours when in fact they are yours, you made them all up. We are not even on your radar Raymond. None of what you have written are our thoughts Raymond and therefore are not being set into motion by us. Only you are doing this. This is why we say you are lying, lying, lying and you continue to do so. This is slander.

Sunday at 13:47

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur I make no slander. I merely mirror your own words back to you and YOU ARE FREAKING OUT. I do not need to impersonate you. I stand alone in Truth. It is true that you are NOT ON MY RADAR. Thats what frosts you! Be a good boy and tend to your garden. You are out of your league. Raymond Karczewski

Sunday at 13:51

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Arthur Cristian

The mirror you CLAIM are of your thoughts set into motion by you Raymond. ONLY YOU ARE DOING THIS. To prove this, bring forward the first party Fiona & Arthur Cristian to back your claims. Lets hear it from the tongues of Arthur & Fiona Cristian and NOT from Raymond Karczewski's mirror. Can you do this Raymond?

Sunday at 14:25

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Raymond Karczewski

I make no claim on you, I allow your words to speak for themselves. Your Cockamamie theory does not hold water anywhere but in your own intellect and the undiscriminating intellect of millions of sheeple looking for a leader. As you are already aware, I do not engage in futile debate over another's beliefs. I merely advise people to take it or leave it. An impossibility for those who do not access truth and merely dabble with their own ideas of it. Raymond Karczewski

Sunday at 14:44

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Arthur Cristian

More claims claims claims Raymond. You are keen on creating a controversy where there isn't one.

Sunday at 18:33

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Nigel Beckwith

Raymond, sadly mate, your stance is arrogant and the claims of superiority are gossamer thin. You show no respect for your fellow travellor /communicator and simply ignore the value or the intention within a passage to provide "your interpretation" making you "righteous" and scandalously trampling underfoot all that you engage with..unless they are in 100% agreement with you!! Talk about tyranny. As we get closer to truth language often debars us from 100% agreement even if in the mind the ideal is the same.

Sunday at 19:04

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Nigel Beckwith

I suggest Raymond you read the book "Dispelling Wetiko" by Paul Levy. In these words there is elements of what we wrestle. It seems that when we rely on the "inner guide" alone, we can get into a trap. That trap is very well known and is dangerous and often needs the reflection of similar travellors to help us get out....its the GOD trap..the GURU trap...It is all ego based and when we are there..even though it may seem like a development...its absolutely not..its the trap of all traps, and keeps so many lost. I bet you wont read the book and I bet you will dismiss my words. I am not trying to win...are you? If we try to win and "beat each other..with our superior SPIRITUALITY...we are losing"!

Sunday at 19:09

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Nigel Beckwith

There can be nothing but arrogance in your statements. How dare you claim that only your expressions are from the purest source of wisdom..but no one elses? I mean even that purity had to come through the intellect to be put into words...so what are you claiming?

Sunday at 21:11

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel, what is being demonstrated in this thread is the incapacity of accessing truth through thought. Truth is not a goal. It is infinite and boundless, present in every moment but blocked by the Intellect. That is one's Fall from Grace. The idea of Truth is a goal. Both you and Arthur utilize the process of intellectualism to talk about the ideas you hold about the goal of the "idea of Truth", rather than shutting off the intellectual process and merely merging with it. I am not arrogant in the least. I merely stand in Truth and not the limited "idea of truth", and therefore am not accessible by other intellects, either yours or Arthurs. I have long stated that Truth cannot be accessed by intellectual thought, only the Idea of Truth Can. This thread demonstrates that. That is the block that prevent you, Arthur and Millions of others from resonating with Truth while you argue the merits of your own Satanic conditioned "ideas of Truth". The simple fact is that we are coming from vastly different realms of consciousness and your intellects stand in the way is the problem and no conclusion on your part will make a difference until the intellect stops and Insight (Direct Perception of Truth) appears. Raymond Karczewski

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Nigel Beckwith

I can tell that Arthur and Fiona and some others access wisdom through the inner process, as I do...we may use words then that don't marry, but people such as us can usually work through it by showing mutual respect and love. So why are you struggling Raymond? Don't you feel you have my respect and love? Or Arthur and Fiona's respect and love? Let's be clear on this?!

Sunday at 21:13

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Nigel Beckwith

If we are on the same path, we will not feel the need to be more "right" or more in tune. These are often from dualistic places that create such delusions. But on the other hand we have to be wary not to fall in traps. I have to be humble, as I may be wrong....

Sunday at 21:15

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel, the process speaks for itself. I am not struggling. It would appear that you and Arthur are. Can we at least be clear on that. Cut the humility stuff. Thats just satanic window dressing. Truth has no need to defend itself. Raymond Karczewski

Sunday at 21:18

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Nigel Beckwith

Raymond you go round and round in circles, denying another's truth so that you can impose yours..and in the end tell us nothing more than we already knew. Just being critical with no improved outcome or suggestion. How does that help?

Sunday at 21:19

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Nigel Beckwith

Has your being "in the know" with the "highest source of wisdom" created bliss for you? Or are you in a self perpetuated delusion? How can you know?

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Raymond Karczewski

The issue can be resolved very simply if you're up for it. Answer the question in the last two thousand years and prior thereto, how many Christs have been known, and how many Intellectuals. You and Arthur play in the sandbox of Intellectualism while you play with your own conditioned "Ideas of Truth." Raymond Karczewski

Sunday at 21:25

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Nigel Beckwith

Well you are wrong..very wrong in my view.

Sunday at 21:32

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Nigel Beckwith

So how does your way look? Is it just in your head Ray? Or are you truly creating a heaven on earth? Setting an example in the here and now that we can follow??!! I think it is time to start putting your cards on the table Ray.

Sunday at 21:33

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Nigel Beckwith

I do not see you as being any more of a Christ than me or Arthur. Perhaps I am too much into intellectualism to see it Ray. To me any being who is conscious (and remember consciousness has aspects to it that some call source and other aspects that are removed from source but trying to work their way back...that you call intellectualism...but when compared Jesus suggested they were the elements of "of this world" and "Not of this world" and that we must try to combine the two whilst we are in this world....) knows that only we can create our heaven...or remain in our Hell. I am not sure so far that your vision of Heaven is clear. If so you would have spelt it out...instead you hide behind this "oh well you are just intellectualising". Heck this game is easy..innit?

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel you say, "So how does your way look? Is it just in your head Ray? Or are you truly creating a heaven on earth? Setting an example in the here and now that we can follow??!! I think it is time to start putting your cards on the table Ray." Are you not looking for a leader? Are you not lost? Are you not limited in your grasp of Truth? I am Truth. I resonate in Truth, I speak Truth, yet you DO NOT SEE. You are spiritually blind, so you must revert to thinking. So you ask me to Recondition you, to persuade you, to lead you. All that is Satanic, and does not lead to the Truth that you profess to seek. Truth is always shocking to illusion. I suggest you pay attention to your own inner teacher who is screaming at you to LOOK at what you are doing. That teacher is the Christ within you disrupting you own consciousness, pointing out the false ideas that you hold about Truth. I am not upsetting you in the least for if I speak to one, I speak to all. Raymond Karczewski

Sunday at 21:43

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Nigel Beckwith

What a crock.

Sunday at 21:43

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Nigel Beckwith

I don't ask you to lead me at all. I ask you to back up your claims. And you can't so who is really lost? Look again
Ray..get a good clear mirror mate.

Sunday at 21:44

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel, so why continue in this farce. Go your way and see if you have real peace and not peace by agreement. Raymond Karczewski

Sunday at 21:44

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Nigel Beckwith

You don't have any peace Raymond.

Sunday at 21:45 · Like

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Nigel Beckwith

And you don't seem to have any answers either,

Sunday at 21:45

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Nigel Beckwith

Why the Hell do you think you are here in this plane Ray?

Sunday at 21:46

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Nigel Beckwith

"If one's words are no better than silence, one should keep silent [1972 pilot episode, Kung Fu]"

Sunday at 21:53

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Nigel Beckwith

Ok Ray....you win...I will do as you say....nothing. Aaaah Bliss. I see now.

Sunday at 21:54

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Nigel Beckwith

(there is just so little wisdom here Ray..and you cannot see it..sorry..have fun).

Sunday at 21:54

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel says "You don't have any peace Raymond" And you don't seem to have any answers either" "Why the Hell do you think you are here in this plane Ray?" rk: Nigel, your first comment is nothing more than "psychological projection." Your second question is indicative of INtellectualism for Truth has not answers, IT SIMPLY IS. Your third statement is rather obvious is it not? To reveal to the spiritual blind the resonance of Truth and not merely stroking each other to persuade them to a particular "Idea of Truth." It is a rather harsh lesson for those who are prideful in their spiritual ignorance to learn. Surely you must see why this world of man's thought has not changed since Man's Fall from Grace? Raymond Karczewski

Sunday at 21:56

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Nigel Beckwith

Aye and people like you ..in their own cave..wrapped up in their own pride and belief they "have the answers (that cannot be expressed)...also explain why it remains in the doldrums.

Sunday at 21:57

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel, you have made your choice. But why are you and others so addicted to my writing? You might want to ask that of your Kung Fu Teacher. Raymond Karczewski

Sunday at 21:57

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Nigel Beckwith

You really have nothing to say anymore Ray. I suggest you take the advice of the Kung Fu master.

Sunday at 21:57

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Nigel Beckwith

No this is my page and I am sharing ideas with people, and showing them the folly of your claims.

Sunday at 21:58

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Nigel Beckwith

It is important as your claims may not help them

Sunday at 21:58

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Raymond Karczewski

My suggestion is stop thinking and start looking for truth. One is based in idle talk and the other in direct action. But then, that is much too simple for complexity oriented intellects to grasp. Raymond Karczewski

Sunday at 22:02

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Nigel Beckwith

We are accessing the better realms Ray. Its odd that you cannot see that. Even you have time to come here and write your views. The thing is people are edging their way. Even the sages could not know it all, but they imparted wisdom about what it was they experienced in these "higher states". So some of us are doing the same. Then we come back to this world and express what we have found...in that none thinking state as you call it. But to be of this world and not of this world means that we come back to work out what comes forth.

Sunday at 22:03

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Nigel Beckwith

You seem to be missing a vital point. You seem to be suggesting just being in the perpetual altered state. Whereas some of us are recognising the choice that we came here to explore consciousness...and bloody well explore it we will. You choose your way.

Sunday at 22:04

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel, I suggest you be very careful with your words. You shall be stuck with them for eternity. Raymond Karczewski

Sunday at 22:06

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Nigel Beckwith

I do and say what I feel is right..you do it your way Ray.

Sunday at 22:06

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Nigel Beckwith

If only you could see.

Sunday at 22:07

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel, your approach is the Way of the World playing with the idea of Truth. You can see where such activity has brought the world. Hell, isn't it? Raymond Karczewski

Sunday at 22:08

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Nigel Beckwith Yes Ray (speaking to a brick wall)...ok have it your own way. Have a great day.

Sunday at 22:09

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Nigel Beckwith

Yawn

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel, you have demonstrated what all intellectuals eventually do. They give up on Truth to return to the comfort of their own ideas of Truth while they lick their wounds. Its been a painful lesson but a spiritual lesson that is much needed by prideful spiritual aspirants. Raymond Karczewski

Sunday at 22:15

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Nigel Beckwith

Yes ray...you are right. Take care.

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel, Arthur and all others. If my words of Truth are not welcome to your ears, why not just be decisive and UNFRIEND ME and return to your cocoon. I assure you as long as your comments appear on my page, if there is a spiritual lesson to be learned there, I shall expose it. Raymond Karczewski

Sunday at 22:29

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Nigel Beckwith

We can never get away from wisdom.

Sunday at 22:33

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Nigel Beckwith

I am not going to unfriend you. Just because I feel you are not seeing sense.

Sunday at 22:33

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Nigel Beckwith

Maybe one day you will learn something from us....maybe.

Sunday at 22:34

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Arthur Cristian

Raymond Karczewski wrote 16th June 2013 8.54am

nb = Nigel Beckwith
rk = Raymond Karczewski

nb: "It may not be popular, but the truth is, we have to work hard together with Ego under control if we are to make a difference in this world. That is the only way."

rk: < It is impossible to change anyone else but yourselves. Therefore it is impossible to change the world ruled by thought. That is the satanic trap which binds men's souls. It is that enslavement to satanic thought which is demonstrated when men argue with one another about the validity of their images and illusions, ghostly spectres which captivate their conditioned ego driven intellects. One must step out of such satanic ruled consciousness to "be in this world but not of it." Speak only Truth and you shall be seen as an enemy of the Civilized World.

nb: > We are always influencing each other Raymond. It happens all the time. The reason the Satanic world works like clockwork..for them is because they DO work together. Just what do you expect to happen? When we change ourselves do we change our surroundings? I mean be clear and say how you expect to get out of this trap? Looking after No 1? Or trying to raise your own consciousness, and then that of those who have ears to hear?

rk: Nigel, your focus is intellectual therefore limited in scope. A hundred people working together based on an ideal, is not any different from One whose life is lived on an ideal. Ideals are satanic illusions. All Ideas are fantasies, be they positive or negative. They are dualistic mechanisms which make for division, conflict, violence, power. It is responsible for Hell on Earth --NO EXCEPTIONS.

rk: The release from such hell comes only with the resurrection of the Spirit of Divine Awareness, Truth, once the intellect is silenced. Why continue with all this nonsense of arguing over every "jot and tittle." when all you have to do is mirror the dualistic lie with nondualistic Truth.

rk: Here is how you change yourself and therefore your world. From this moment forward until the moment of your death, NEVER TELL ANOTHER LIE. Not a Black lie, nor a White lie. Nor a lie of ommission. Nor do you support any lie. You BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT LIES. Do that, and you are FREE, BEYOND THE INFLUENCE OF SATANIC THOUGHT.

rk: When the lie is not, the illusion is not -- TRUTH IS. I assure you, that YOU WILL RAISE HELL WITH THE WORLD AROUND YOU. Have you not seen that clearly demonstrated in damned near, just about all of my relationships with others on the Internet? Why is that? We use the same language, don't we, the same words, yet my energy disturbs their status quo of belief padded cubbyhole in hell, does it not?

rk: You see, Nigel, and all others reading this, the Lie, is the basis of the Civilized world, ruled by a Satanic thought-based Intellect.

rk: I acknowledge that is is a given that we must use Intellect to solve technical problems and to communicate through language with other intellects, but it is only the Christ, the simple man/woman of Truth who is master of his/her own Intellect, while all others remain slaves to their satanic, dualistic, opposing, outer directed/conditioned intellects -- the computer-like instrument which makes up their CULTURAL view of the world.

rk: You've heard the adage, "You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear." Nor can you or anyone else make a Master out of a Slave.
Such transition comes only when the lie is seen for what it is and falls away only to reveal what has been previously hidden from view by all the cultural clutter -- TRUTH.

rk: Truth is unassailable, invulnerable to harm from attacks by Illusion. It just pisses pompous satanists off when their illusions are reflected back to them by the simple "Mirror of Truth". That is the only change that can come about in a relationship between the mass mind of satanic illusion and a simple man in resonance with holistic Truth.

rk: Many view me as a pompous "knowitall" In their conditioned, complexity, but ignorant-ridden state of dualistic confusion, they are incapable of discerning the simple, nondualistic energy of a man of Truth.

rk: The satanic ruled intellect must be silenced for the Resurrection of the Divine Spirit of Truth, God to reveal itself. Truth, God is always with you, but has allowed Satan, the "petty god of Intellect" to seduce you away from it with promises of Illusions which are fleeting at best when one comes to understand the eternity which is life.

rk: Arthur Cristian, a good man, stands proudly when he demands first party proof of Truth that cannot be proven but remains self-evident to the spiritually sensitive, the spiritually sighted. Arthur stubbornly remains at the intellectual level of the "Idea of Truth," a mechanical, dead concept which he shares with lawyers, other wordmeisters, and manipulators of such images which can and is indeed, subject to proof. Truth is well beyond the limited scope of the Satanic Intellect and therefore is immune from the slings and arrows of Illusion.

rk: That is what is meant when a Christ, a Simple Man/Woman of Truth states that he/she "are in this world, but not of it."

rk: Nigel, I hope this clarifies a few things for you.

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We (Arthur & Fiona Cristian) replied to Raymond Karczewski.......

26th June 2013

Raymond, we would never claim that we are fully conscious MAN, free from the influence of the brainwashing of "The System", thinking unique thoughts inspired by the dream of life. This is the case for the vast majority of us across Earth; we are still compromised and still under the influence of our conditioning as we wake up to what we have allowed to happen to who we are. As many of us are realising more and more, all our thoughts of awakening, and our discussions and debates about our awakening, while helping us get clearer about truth and what our awakening means, are not the same as living as awakened, fully conscious MAN.

All of us involved in these discussions, whether actively or just through reading, are still plugged into "The System", still relying on it to provide for us in many areas. If we were fully conscious MAN, we would be communicating with each other through our senses rather than through satanic alphabet languages, equipment, services, materials and consumer products. If we were fully conscious MAN, we would no longer be plugged into "The System".

So where does this leave you, Raymond?

You claim to be a Christ, but in present-sense you are not living the life of a Christ. A Christ is what we call a fully conscious MAN setting the life of that consciousness in motion so that the presence of this consciousness (Christ) is present in present-sense. As you have said before, "The thought of God is not God". Well, the thought of a Christ is not a Christ, either. We cannot be Christs while we are still plugged into "The System", still supporting "The System" and especially while we are calling for a "better" system. A true Christ does not need a man-made system. At present, you do, Raymond.

A true Christ senses his/her brothers and sisters of life and feels their intentions, senses their lives in present-sense, whether agreeing with them or not. Under these present circumstances, when your brothers and sisters come to you via the internet, etc, Raymond, they are met by your mirror that is the conversation (thoughts) going on ONLY between your ears that they have to enter into to converse with you. With us, you try to trap who we really are in the mirror of your making that is constructed ONLY out of your thoughts.

Your mirror is not "another level of consciousness"; it is just constructed from your thoughts and you refuse to see anybody except through the thoughts of your mirror. You are trying to embed who we are in your mirror which makes you trapped in the mirror of your own thoughts. This is an example of the Satanic trap that binds MANS' lives to it. When you converse with us through your mirror, you are setting the boundaries for our interaction, bringing us into your conversation. This is Satanic ruled consciousness. Your mirror is a claim of your making that goes against everything you are saying. It is intellectual and limited in scope. Repeat, ONLY your thoughts of us are in the mirror of your own making.

Our challenge is how to learn to live with each others differences by becoming more empathetic and learning to sense each others intentions. When we sense each others intentions we are now outside the power and control structure of an individual (in-divide-u-all) satanic ruled intellect.

Our challenge is to learn how to set into motion ideas that change the way we live so that we stop causing so much harm to who we are. You are still trapped in the idea of being a Christ still plugged into "The System" and criticising us for setting into motion the idea of living without a system of harm. We cannot "be in this world but not of it". While you are living in "The System" you are of "The System" because your life energy is still maintaining and perpetuating "The System". While you are still plugged in to "The System", you are feeding "The System". While you continue being plugged into "The System", presently via your caravan, it is clear that you are both of "The System" and in "The System".

It is not just ideas that are responsible for hell on Earth. Ideas are just ideas. It is MAN setting those ideas into motion (giving these images LIFE) and maintaining and perpetuating them that is fully-responsible for hell ("The System") on Earth and we are fully-responsible for creating Paradise on Earth if we choose to. We cannot escape thought. Everything is a thought in a thought; it is the choices we make about what thoughts to give life to (set into motion) that determine our lives. The fabric of the dream of life is a thought of many thoughts all threaded together by the thread of life MAN/Living-Creator set into motion. It is MAN weaving the fabric of life. DNA is the thread of MANS thought being set into motion (given LIFE) by MAN.

Imagine that you had 100 photos in front of you. You pick them up, one after another, looking at the images and putting them back down again. Then you pick up one that appeals to you. Instead of putting it back down, you pore over it, taking every detail, thinking about what you see. Now, if the image you see really affects you, you may decide to give life to it by creating that image in your life. It could be a picture of far off countries that inspires you to save up your money and go travelling, it could be a beautiful house that gives you ideas for redecorating your home, it could be a photo of a sports star that gets you out of bed in the mornings to get fit, or it could be a baby gorilla orphaned by poachers that has you pack up and volunteer with a rescue organisation. Or it could be an image of a sustainable, living home surrounded by a food forest with no signs of any harm to life that has you begin to withdraw from "The System" back to a life as fully conscious MAN. The images we choose to give life to (set into motion) become the world (LIFE) we live in.

Yes, ideas are fantasies (reflections) and your mirror is an idea, a fantasy, reflection of your own making, a dualistic (duel-i-stick-c) idea that you try to trap people in. Your mirror is of the intellect of your reflection so how can it reveal truth if truth only comes when the intellect is silenced. In your case, how can it be silenced when it still bounces to and fro between your ears as a reflection of your own projection?

We all have our unique thoughts, that are "private", more or less (to us, what "private" really means is that we each have, or were supposed to have had, unique original thoughts of our making, of our dreaming, of our dream-time, stimulated and inspired by the sensations of Nature/Earth/Life/MAN that is the dream of life all around us). It is when we try to impose our thoughts (dreaming) on others (MAN), to capture them (MAN) in the reflections of our thought projections by claiming that we know more about them than they do because of our thoughts about them, that it all goes wrong. What we are now describing IS the artificial DNA that weaves the non-sensory-fabric that is "The System" and this is how we create drones and robots.

How can we know the true intentions of others when we cannot hear them above the noise of all the reflections of our thoughts? When we use our senses, we can communicate with someone from another culture who does not share our alphabet language because we sense their intentions and use sign language, etc. We do not need to trap them in our alphabet language reflections which is what we all do to each other through English and other Satanic engineered alphabet languages.

You talk about the resurrection of the "spirit of divine awareness"? What are the practical steps for setting this "spirit of divine awareness" into motion in our everyday lives? Isn't it all about empathy, compassion and sensing the intentions of others so that we learn to live without doing harm to others, without trapping others in the reflections (mirror) of our thought projections (dreaming)?

To us, it is clearly obvious that honouring, protecting, encouraging, inspiring, nurturing, supporting, etc, (all the virtues of love) the uniqueness and originality of MANS dreaming is paramount, that every MAN needs to have that creative "space" of love to dream their unique lives into motion. To us, this is the practise of the "spirit of divine awareness" in everyday, practical, doable sense. If all our ancestors were not trapped in the reflections (intellectual thought control) coming from other men and women manipulating and interfering through their enFORCED projections of how we should be thinking, feeling, doing, living, etc, their descendants, us, would still be living in Paradise. But that ain't the case, we're currently too busy being distracted, entertained, compromised and trapped in "The System" that was given birth by another MAN'S dreaming.

The photo you have chosen to give life to, Raymond, is the photo of you in your caravan, keeping everyone at arms length with your mirror, talking about setting into motion a new govern-MEN-t, a new system. How does this stop the harm? Along the way, we have examined many, many photos and the one we keep coming back to is the photo of Kindom because it is the only one that we have come across that puts an end to the harm, an end to the dualistic lies through the living demonstration of non-dualistic truth.

This is what we are about, Raymond, but, like everyone else, we are compromised and still reliant on the dual(duel)-istic system. We would love to stop duelling, to learn to live together without harm, without fighting and bloodshed, to inspire enough people to take full-responsibility to stop setting the images of harm (dreams of another MAN) into motion, to put down the photos of harm and pick up the ones that heal the damage. You do not say you want to do harm but neither do you say you want to live with no harm.

Your mirror is a dual/duel because you claim it is non-dualistic but then you insist on putting other men and women into it, without their permission. Why don't you just keep your mirror for you rather than imposing it on others? This is a dual/duel; why are we in your mirror? Why can't you see/sense who we really are outside your mirror? Leave us outside your mirror and recognise us for who we are, just as we do for you. This is the "spirit of divine resurrection" in process, the intellect silenced, the "dual/duel", the power struggle, gone. Why are you "arguing over every jot and tittle"?

Your release from hell comes when you give up your mirror (with your CHRIST in it) and honour the uniqueness and originality of another MAN.

You talk about giving up the lies but you are still living a lie. Your caravan is a lie and your use of "The System" is a lie and your support of the continuation of slavery through a new, "better" govern-MEN-t is a lie. Your caravan and other trappings of "The System" are the "cultural clutter" that you surround yourself with. Getting out of "The System", i.e., co-creating Kindoms, is getting "beyond the influence of Satanic thought". You are still holding up the photo of "The System" and giving it your life. Why don't you put that photo down and give life to the idea of the living Christ that you are (that we all are), free from the influence of Satanic thought and free from doing harm?

A Christ is a conscious, living MAN who does not put another MAN under the images of his thought; why then are you putting us in your mirror under the labels of face-saving, paranoid, disturbed, etc? Can we bring out the Arthur and Fiona from your mirror and find out from them whether they are face-saving, paranoid and disturbed? This is the illusion you are creating in your mirror. It is only your thoughts of us that are in your mirror, not us or our thoughts of us. You, with the shield of your mirror, are unable to discern (sense) who we really are.

You claim that the reflection in your mirror is truth. Can we hear that from the reflection? Can we hear from the reflection of Arthur and Fiona that it is truth and that Raymond knows our intentions (our dreaming) all the while he disregards our intentions? Are you practising black-magic remote projection, remote viewing, remote control? Here in "Bowral", "NSW", "Australia", are you in the room with us while we struggle to "save face"?

We are the living, Raymond. In present-sense, we are MAN that is Living-Creator (God) that is the resurrection of the divine spirit of truth, just as you are. MAN is the living truth that is always with you. However, the thoughts of Arthur & Fiona Cristian that you have, are just thoughts. We are not trying to put you in a mirror, we are not labelling you and your responses. We honour both the living-MAN(creator), Raymond, and the work he does, at the same time as pointing out that we do not see a remedy in it. When you sense us, you are sensing the presence (LIFE) of the living MAN (creator) present to you in present-sense. Your thoughts of us are not in the picture, are not involved. There is no mirror here. But when you create a mirror, it is of your thoughts; we (the living) are not there.

You perceive that things are wrong and explain your perceptions very clearly but you are not prepared to do anything to change the disturbed, traumatised, natural environment around you. When are you going to give life to your perceptions? If you want to bring heaven on Earth, can we come and see how you are living it as a shining inspiration for others? When are you going to give life to your work (set thoughts into motion) so that everything around you (LIFE) changes?

We have seen the illusion of the photo we have been holding and how compromised that image makes us. We want to pick up another photo that shows MAN living in nature, out of the grip of "The System", taking full responsibility for our lives, no longer educated slaves. The Satanists don't want us to walk away because without us, they have nothing. You say truth is beyond the limited scope of the Satanic intellect. We agree. So let's start putting into place the way of life that gets us there.

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Note: The thread of this debate on Nigel Beckwith's Facebook wall is posted in its entirety within another lengthy debate we've been having with Raymond Karczewski. See:

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

A final instalment to this debate (Part 2 & Part 3) will be coming from us shortly, hopefully later this week. Reading this debate fills in the details of the bigger picture we see/sense and touched on in this post.

26th June 2013 6,48pm

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Nigel Beckwith

I think that supports what i said to you Ray. Hope it helps.

27 June 2013 at 00:30

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Raymond Karczewski

See what I mean about overwhelming others with Face Saving deceptions? I have no problem with your living the way you do. Yet you will expend reams and reams of misdirecting theories which the average man is unable to plow through. The simple fact that indicts you are your own words. YOU PROTESTETH TOO MUCH! Try this nonsense on somebody else, It does not have the RING OF TRUTH to me. My response to you is the same as was Jesus comments to Satans Temptation on the Mount. HIT THE BRICKS, go and tempt another who will buy your nonsense. You cannot tempt this Christ into arguing with you. Raymond Karczewski

20 hours ago

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Arthur Cristian

You are already in and of the argument of your own making Raymond. Maybe "one day" the penny will drop for you. Love & Hugs Arthur & Fiona Cristian.

20 hours ago

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Grant Robinson

For two guys that demonise satanic intellect, you sure use it a lot.
It's a trap, go plant a tree.

13 hours ago via mobile

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Arthur Cristian

Wow, this is extremely insightful of you Grant using a satanic language to reach us with satanic constructs to help us return to nature. Thanks mate.

10 hours ago

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Raymond Karczewski

Grant, your observation and Arthur's schmoozing of you is a moot point but serves to show motivation of one who seeks to stroke egos. In this Satanic ruled world, using the intellect to communicate with other intellects and resolve technical problems is AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY. That is the Satanic trap that humans must endure. However such limitations become an obstacle to experiencing Living Truth through direct perception via Divine Awareness. Divine Awareness is Christ Consciousness, Intellectual debate is Satanic Hell. Do not confuse the use of Language to communicate Truth with Satanic Debate. I would point out to all who have followed the threads between myself and Arthur to examine the energy behind the words and you will note the difference between Satanic Debate and Divine Awareness. Raymond Karczewski

9 hours ago

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Arthur Cristian

Coming from us, our last post to you says what needs to be said Raymond. There is nothing different coming from you here. Regardless of our views/insights, as MAN no less or more than another MAN, we honour your uniqueness and originality to have the space for the dreaming of your "divine awareness", in whatever way you choose to express it, be expressed and experienced. Good on you. For us, we continue on the path we choose to express and experience our dreaming of Kindom/Paradise in present-sense.

9 hours ago

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Grant Robinson

Omnipotence isn't knowing how everything is done, it's doing it. You don't have to translate it into language.

2 hours ago via mobile

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Raymond Karczewski

The effect of Christ Consciousness upon Satanic Intellect

Grant Robinson wrote

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

gr: > Omnipotence isn't knowing how everything is done, it's doing it. You don't have to translate it into language.

rk: Grant, thats just plain silly. How is such action translated to others on the Internet?

rk: What does anyone know about me but through my words? Why are my words the same as others words yet have a distinctly different impact on many.

rk: You see, my truth cannot be evaded, changed, manipulated, or shifted to other forms.

rk: Truth is resonated by readers and my words are my actions, they are not dualistic, they are nondualistic, they are one.

rk: Everyone else plays to dualistic, opposing and conflicted, confused egos which can be manipulated. I speak to the healthy ego, that capable of direct perception of Truth, and the unhealthy ego be damned.

rk: What is not understood is that all civilized men are satanically conditioned, that is they live in an ideational world, based in dualism and opposition. Their ideas are programmed into them by remote sources which act as rulers to others who are ruled. Even the rulers are ruled by the Satanic thought process. It accounts for Hell on Earth. No one is exempt from such forces which rule the consciousness of civilized man with the exception of those who have understood the process of intellectualism and have transcended it. risen above it.

rk: That is the point when the lessons of life are learned and one enters into the unknown realm beyond the limitations of Intellect. One enters the Christ State of Consciousness and thereby steps into the realm of direct perception of Truth, Divine Awareness, nondualism.

rk: What is being experienced on the internet in my relationship with others is the relationship between awareness and intellectual thought.

rk: Intellectualism, a partial, dualistic, opposing state of Consciousness is unwhole, fragmented and cannot stand up to the Nondualistic direct perception of Truth. This accounts for the chemistry of interaction which all can observe in my articles.

rk: An holistic consciousness reflects the unwholistic, (the unholy) state of satanically imposed, fictional fantasies, believed to be Truth.

rk: Perhaps, clever intellectuals will see their limitations after reading this, PERHAPS NOT!

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32 minutes ago

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Arthur Cristian

To us, it's all about "Walk The Talk", creating our do no harm way of life Kindom dream and setting this dream into motion (giving Kindom life with our lives - providing others with direct experience/perception of Kindom too), where we no longer talk/intellectualise about Kindom and instead are living the dream of Kindom in present-sense. We've explained this in great detail with you Raymond as documented here:

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

Being brought up by nature has us be the way Grant described "Omnipotence isn't knowing how everything is done, it's doing it. You don't have to translate it into language." Through the intentions of those who want us to be remotely controlled, under their image-power, we give up what comes naturally to us as Grant clearly described. To us, we sense that we (MAN) were never meant to be educated by another MAN as this shuts down what comes naturally to us as Grant clearly shared. We are just returning to who we really are and have dreamt a way out of this man-made mess as can be found in "The Spell Is Broken" and "The Steps Of Kindom", a way that opens up our (MANS) full potential and capacities to stop setting harm into motion which includes not forcing other men and women to give up their uniqueness and originality while planting trees, etc, wherever, all around us.

A few seconds ago

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, If you and I are saying the same thing, but in different words, why have you taken a dualistic position of argument and facesaving. Truth can be described in many different ways but one must have the ability to transcend the Letter of the Word and resonate at the Spirit of the word. I leave it to you to determine who has made such dichotomy in our relationship? Raymond Karczewski

about an hour ago

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Arthur Cristian

More claims, claims, claims about us, about our intentions Raymond. You continue making all these claims up. Use your senses to sense where we are really/truthfully coming from. There is no duel coming from us. Go back and read the debate/s from the beginning and see/sense what happened here. All we are doing is making everything very clear about our intentions, where we are coming from, how we perceive things, etc. Our writings are our testament. They back us up. Counteracting the use of slander in present-sense and down-the-line helps when you can sense/see the big picture by filling in all the details for readers to sense and comprehend that big-picture.

2 minutes ago

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Raymond Karczewski

A Satanic Temptation of a Christ Exposed.

Arthur Cristian wrote:

Raymond Karczewski wrote:

ac: > More claims, claims, claims about us, about our intentions Raymond. You continue making all these claims up. Use your senses to sense where we are really/truthfully coming from. There is no duel coming from us. Go back and read the debate/s from the beginning and see/sense what happened here. All we are doing is making everything very clear about our intentions, where we are coming from, how we perceive things, etc. Our writings are our testament. They back us up. Counteracting the use of slander in present-sense and down-the-line helps when you can sense/see the big picture by filling in all the details for readers to sense and comprehend that big-picture.

rk: Arthur, you state very clearly "All we are doing is making everything very clear about our intentions, where we are coming from, how we perceive things, etc. Our writings are our testament."

rk: Truth is self-evident. It does not require either claims nor explanations, nor intentions, nor particulars to where one is coming from, (a parochial position at best) to be established in consciousness.

rk: All of these things mentioned above are of the Satanic Intellect requiring such fragmentation to PROVE the "IDEA" of Truth.

rk: Claims and explanations are where "letter of the word" deceptions, the tool of word-twisting lawyers, and experts are found. It is effective upon illusion-based consciousness ONLY.

rk: I am content with all reading this thread that disturbs you so, from the beginning and either seeing the Truth for themselves or not.

Truth cannot be arrived at via intellectual claims and explanations.

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ

about an hour ago

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Arthur Cristian

What becomes of a seed if it does not bear forth it's unique purpose?

What becomes of all of life if all of life does not bear testament to its unique purpose?

What becomes of the sun if it does not bear forth its unique purpose?

What becomes of a MAN if a MAN does not bear forth that MANS purpose?

Bearing forth the purpose of that MAN defines the uniqueness and originality of that MANS intention. Each moment being sensed is unique, not one moment is the same as the next.

Spread out across Earth as a living testament, uncountable grains of sand each bear forth their uniqueness and originality. A grain of sand can never covet another grain of sand and claim it in its own image.

With us, there is no illusion based consciousness going on here Raymond.

There is no word twisting lawyers" here either.

We are more than just an idea Raymond, we are MAN bearing forth the unique purpose and intention of the MAN we are. We just refuse to be captured and blanketed by the demonic entity that controls you under its image power Raymond. You do not have our permission to re-present us in your image so that you can claim us under your IMAGE-POWER. Your ideas and thoughts are of your own making, they are not unique to us. We refuse to let you covet us. We refuse to give up our uniqueness and originality so that you can define who we are.

Even though you are our brother of life we stand apart from you never to be in the shadow cast by your image power.

Our hearts pour out to you Raymond.

Here is an example of your demonic image-power at play in your own words: "Truth is self-evident. It does not require either claims nor explanations, nor intentions, nor particulars to where one is coming from, (a parochial position at best) to be established in consciousness."

These images have no power or hold over us and never will.

Do you comprehend uniqueness and originality Raymond?????

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12 minutes ago

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, Why do you read my writing? Why are you compelled to read that which you argue with? I am content with you and others who do not see Truth of my writing going your own way. Why do you object to that which you are compelled to read. Look to the length, breadth and width you have gone to just to justify that which cannot be justified. Your very credibility is being destroyed by your fears of being exposed. Therein lies the real lesson of this Thread. Raymond Karczewski

14 minutes ago

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Arthur Cristian

You are in the mirror of your own making Raymond. NONE of what you say/project goes on here. There is no justification going on nor is there fear (trauma) reacting to your words going on either Raymond. Only while you are in the act of performing Arthur & Fiona Cristian can be found the evidence of what you claim occurring. Like we said, we do not give you permission to perform the intentions of our characters claiming them to be ours when they are not. May the penny drop for you Raymond.

about a minute ago

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, So go your own way and I'll go mine. I do not initiate these threads. You do. I just expose them with your own words and tactics. It is not yours to give permission to anyone who exposes themes that you yourself initiate. You're beating a dead horse here, and disintegrating in credibility with each face saving posts. Raymond Karczewski

15 minutes ago

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Arthur Cristian

We express our intentions, our insights, as part of our originality and uniqueness bearing forth its purpose.

We refuse to covet another MAN and place that MAN under our image-power by acting/performing that MANS character so we can claim the intentions of that MANS character as coming from that MAN of that MANS making when in fact we would be lying because we made them up. We would be committing fraud and slander.

Thanks for the invitation to get into a point scoring game with you Raymond however we are going to pass on this.

about a minute ago

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Raymond Karczewski

SO BE IT! Let us see if you can hold to it! Raymond Karczewski

13 minutes ago

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Arthur Cristian

As we have shared many times already, in relation to the documentation of this debate/discussion/sharing we've had with you thus far

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

to complete this work/sharing/testament with you we will be posting our final installment on your FB wall and elsewhere when they are completed possibly this weekend and that will be it from us Raymond that's unless you invite us to share our originality and uniqueness with you again down-the-line.

Note: All other discussions/debates/interactions/sharings/testaments between us since 13th May 2013 until now have been posted in the above thread.

4 minutes ago

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, See what I mean. You ARE COMPELLED to destroy yourself by continuing your need to save face. Damned near everyone can see it, but don't quite know what they seeing. They too, as you, are not in control of their satanic ruled Intellect. I am Truth, I am Eternal. Raymond Karczewski

8 minutes ago

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Arthur Cristian

More claims, claims, claims, Raymond. These are not our intentions.

5 minutes ago

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, See what I mean. You ARE COMPELLED to destroy yourself by continuing your need to save face. Damned near everyone can see it, but don't quite know what they seeing. They too, as you, are not in control of their satanic ruled Intellect. Any further justification coming from you just proves you are a satanic mind controlling minion, and I am Truth, I am Eternal, I am Christ. Raymond Karczewski

5 minutes ago

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Arthur Cristian

If you do not want us to share the insights of this final piece of work with you on your FB wall, just say so.
We are not attached to the outcomes Raymond.

6 minutes ago

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Raymond Karczewski

Your words are one, your actions another! Hell, Isn't It? Raymond Karczewski

5 minutes ago

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Arthur Cristian

More of this IMAGE-POWER coming from you Raymond. They are your thoughts/ideas "i Your words are one, your actions another!"- they are not ours though we read everything you share with us regardless if we agree with them or not. Heaven/Paradise isn't it!

4 minutes ago

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Raymond Karczewski

To the followers of Arthur Cristian, TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT YOUR LEADER for you are seeing yourselves. Raymond Karczewski

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Raymond Karczewski

To the followers of Arthur Cristian, TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT YOUR YOUR WORDTWISTING LEADER for you are seeing your own incapacity for taking responsibility for youselves. Raymond Karczewski

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Arthur Cristian

More slander and fraud being perpetuated by you in this thread Raymond.

"YOUR LEADER"

and

"YOUR WORDTWISTING LEADER"

and

"for you are seeing your own incapacity for taking responsibility for youselves"

These are your claims Raymond. Again, you are attempting to kidnap the characters of others so you can impersonate their intentions, their thoughts, their views, their feelings, their lives, etc. . It's as if you do not want others to express their uniqueness and originality - you must do this for them. Your mirror (DEMON) has a massive hold over you. May the penny drop for you Raymond.

It's now 4.23am and in need of rest - All the best

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Nigel Beckwith

I seldom listen to Raymond nowadays as he confuses higher thought with intellectual thought. Waste of time trying to get him to listen and he seeks to be overbearing for his own ego needs.

16 hours ago - 19th January 2014

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Arthur Cristian

It's most important to tune into (SENSE) where each MAN is coming from and what their intentions are. This way we don't get muddled and caught up in worshiping "personality cults". In this sensory-light, we have NO issues with Raymond as we sense his intentions are pure and sincere. Find us a MAN in "The System" not damaged by "The System". So far we have not met one.

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Nigel Beckwith

Damage I can cope with..irrational communicators I cannot.

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Arthur Cristian

To us, Raymond makes a lot of sense. There is no vaguery to his writings - all we do is explain our views as best we can so he can comprehend/sense where we are really coming from. There are many insights shared with him to help him see/sense an even bigger picture with us. This thread explains much of it as does this post. Where all here to help each other learn and grow and inevitably pull out (mass exodus out) of "The System" returning to NO SYSTEM forevermore.

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

7 hours ago - 20th January 2014

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Arthur Cristian

And this post

The Divine Spark
Facebook Discussion With Raymond Karczewski
Arthur & Fiona Cristian & Others
2nd October 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8483

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Nigel Beckwith

His commucation with me is not positive. I have little time as he forever misses the point. He may be different with you. Who we best communicate with is for us to decide.

7 hours ago · 20th January 2014

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Arthur Cristian

As we shared... "It's most important to tune into (SENSE) where each MAN is coming from and what their intentions are. This way we don't get muddled and caught up in worshiping "personality cults"". Divide and Rule starts with us, with our attitudes, behaviour, etc.

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Consummate Ilias Mahatma

FUK WHAT A MARATHON ARTHUR AND NIGEL PLEASE YOU ARE NOT BENEFITING BYT USELESS CONVERSATIONS DO NOT PARTICIPATE BUT BRILLIANT CONVERSATIONS AND TENNIS GAME I LOVED IT WOWOW

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Consummate Ilias Mahatma

what is the link for this entire conversation i gota share it lol brilliant

about an hour ago

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Arthur Cristian

https://www.facebook.com/nigel.beckwith/posts/10200170425611396?
Nigel Beckwith - It may not be popular, but the truth is, we have to work hard together with Ego ......

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Consummate Ilias Mahatma

thanks Arthur

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Arthur Cristian

Copied from above............

Note: The thread of this debate on Nigel Beckwith's Facebook wall is posted in its entirety within another lengthy debate we've been having with Raymond Karczewski. See:

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

22 minutes ago - 20th January 2014

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Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201360932293360

Link: https://www.facebook.com/nigel.beckwith/posts/10200170425611396?comment_...

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The Cristian Family November 2006

Another Facebook Exchange With
Raymond Karczewski

2nd and 3rd July 2013

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201360932293360

Max Igan sent us this Facebook PM Wednesday 2nd July 2013 16.07pm:

"Hopefully this REALITY will give you pause to question your actions before spreading lies, hatred and false information about others in future Arthur... have a nice day brother. :) https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151533809384022&id=1... "

We replied....................................

Max, the issue here is we stand for NO SYSTEM. We will do everything we can to expose and obliterate any idea or concept, sugar coated or not, that supports "The System", a man-made system under any guise. The NWO is "The System" under another guise, it will look something like Star Trek Federation in Nature. The NWO will be brought in by all the "Good Guys" bringing a new "oneness order system" to the present chaos engineered by the "Bad Guys". We know all the trickery going on to give the "duped", the impression that "serfs/commoners" are making headway with the courts of "The System".

Having some mini "slave victories" is allowed by FORCE. If they want covert control to remain in tact, they can't always be seen to be despotic/overt. This is allowed to happen and besides, the FORCE behind "The System" have planned, when it suits them and when they are ready, to cause the present western world system to completely collapse so they can usher in their next "oneness" version of it. As an example of many: One Peoples Public Trust now called One People.........

ONE PEOPLE

ONE SPIRIT

ONE WORLD - World means "The System" - the world is not Earth/Nature.

ONE HUMANKIND - Hue-MAN - a shade/colour/reflection/shadow of MAN - In this case the reflection/image projected by a MAN upon another MAN is "oneness". The intention is to trap a MAN under another MANS image-power/spell which happens when a MAN believes in the "story-telling" (spells) of "oneness". This is blatant social engineering.

MANKIND/HUMANKIND - means a kind of MAN as in monster, monstrosity, distorted, brainwashed, idiot, fool, robot, clone, drone, slave, etc. We are MAN, all unique and original, not one the same as the next. Mankind/Humankind re-presents a shattered reality.

ONENESS means SAMENESS as in Communism and Socialism - The correct word to use here instead of one/oneness is WHOLE/WHOLENESS (meaning: NO SYSTEM) which recognises the uniqueness and originality of all of MAN without conformity to social engineering which "oneness" (sameness) is all about.

"One" is lineal, has a beginning and an end (finite), therefore is trauma based (explained further down), is a lie, believers commit fraud when they claim "one"/"oneness" is true. "One" is projected, based, imagined in/from the past and in/from the future (explained further down). "One" does not exist, is non-sensory, meaning you can't sense "one", you can only fantasise "one" because "one" is not present with the presence of life embodied in its image to sense (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) it. Thanks to trauma, "One"/"Oneness" re-presents a shattered reality.

Note: Children brought up in the "wild" by "wild dogs", etc ("The System" brainwashing calls them "wild animals" in the "wild" of nature as in dark, scary, hostile, not safe environment), who are discovered and brought back to "The System" (civilisation) do not recognise the reflection of themselves in the mirror. These reflections are seen in "3rd person" and until "The System" brainwashing sets in they always communicate in 3rd person This is exactly what we would all do if we were truly conscious (not brainwashed) because there is no 1st or 3rd person. All is WHOLE. However, from "The System" side of looking through the window of our extensive repetitive, pounding, brainwashing we see everything of 3rd person as 1st person, i.e, "name" on birth certificate, drivers license, "one"/"oneness", etc, believing these reflections is who we really are when in fact these reflections are not who we really are. Someone else trained us to think, feel and act in this way. Again, recently a Russian girl, around 11 years of age was discovered. She was brought up by wolves since around age 3. She did not recognise her "i" (eye) in the mirror and communicated in 3rd person. If she was with her family of MAN living in the "wilds" and raised by tribal-MAN all around her and without "The System" brainwashing she would be a living WHOLE example of conscious-living-MAN on land in present-sense. Currently, for those of us really waking up, it may appear to the brainwashed that we are talking in 3rd person about Nature, Earth, MAN, Life, but when we are using our senses we sense/see, in present-sense, that we are air, water, leaves, trees, birds, wind, sunlight, rain, dogs, mountains, river, Earth, Nature, Life, etc, etc.... The first party/person "i","i", "i", "mine", "mine", "mine", "own", "own", "own", "one", "one", "one", etc, (shattered reality), does not exist and without it there is no 3rd person ("i"/"one")) either because we are already WHOLE, meaning we are already the unique and original of that WHOLENESS.

All these "successes" that you are seeing, and will continue to see, are part of the orchestrated plan, the blueprint, the agenda. Many of these victories, with a vast majority still to come, require a team effort of actors (judges, barristers, lawyers, politicians, priests, experts, plants portrayed as heroes, etc, etc), all in on the scam to dupe the people into believing, now and down-the-line, that the "bad guys" world is collapsing and the "Good Guys" are winning. Unless we keep waking the people up, the duped will not see/sense they have been had, got-at & set-up. They will not see/sense how they have been deceived into accepting "THE SYSTEM" GLUE of "oneness" binding them all together as "one people", "one spirit", "one consciousness", "one system", etc, etc.

This is not the first time those of "The System" have collapsed one version of "The System" and brought in another version (the phoenix rising out of the ashes - order out of chaos). They need to have the "bad guys" exposed by the "good guys" (hello Heather) so that we all start looking around for something better but very few wake up to the fact that the "something better" is just the next version of "The System" the duped are blindly being led into, with the same image-power-based families behind the scenes, the heads of the Star Trek "Federation in Nature".

We all know that they cannot use overt means to keep us under control. There are too many of us and they would have to be in constant struggle against us because we would rebel. So they use covert means to guide us into submission through propaganda that plays on our trauma, causing enough reaction in us to keep us malleable and enslaved. The marketing campaign for their 1000 year Golden Reign is obviously not going to come about with overt displays of force. Far easier to get us wanting, asking and longing for their 1000 year Golden reign. It's not as if the Knight's Templars have not already done this many times before, coming out as the heroes to rescue us from slavery, tyranny and oppression.

We don't see anything here that has not been done before with different processes. There are many "successes" in all areas of protest using law. Why? Apart from occasions where magistrates, etc, are just not good enough to think fast on their feet and deal with clever men and women who have done their homework, when we have and see successes, we are encouraged and think we are on to something and keep investing more and more of our energy into our processes which means more and more of our energy into "The System". Do you think they care?????? So long as we are still putting our energy into "The System", they are happy because it is our energy that keeps "The System" going. We have already explained this to you in great detail. They do not care how much we protest and argue just so long as we keep using their information, sleeping in their houses and using their private corporations. Which is what everyone involved in One People is doing. They are all still plugged in.

We could start bragging about the many successes Arthur has had against "The System", some involving $300k to others where tens of thousands of dollars were spent trying to get Arthur (and Fiona) to pay the SDRO a measly amount of $$, but these victories are still not a remedy that gets everyone out of "The System". With the method that Arthur has developed over the last couple of years, NO PAPERWORK is required. He is strong and smart enough to blow them all out of the water really fast. Recently, even the SDRO have sent him a letter offering Arthur to take back his drivers licence... LOL... all this after trying everything to con Arthur (and Fiona) into contracting with them. Refer to Letter Received From Roads & Maritime Services Offering Arthur Cristian His Drivers License Back - LOL - 11th June 2013: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8450 - If it wasn't for the children and the 4 assassination attempts, Arthur would be journeying on the road without plates, licence or anything and they would have to kill him to stop him, but, at present, the family does not have the support it needs for him to do this without leaving them vulnerable. And even then, being a Ned Kelly is not a remedy, which is why we prefer to focus on what we can do to bring about remedy as soon as possible.

Why no system? Because when you peel back all the layers, the dark heart of "The System" is all about trauma; trauma is behind everything of "The System", even the "good" bits. There is nothing in "The System" that can help us return to lives as conscious MAN on the land or help us create freedom, truth, joy, etc, for ALL, not just those who can do the paperwork. "The System" is all about greed and selfishness - it is what we are indoctrinated into and it is only by turning our backs on EVERYTHING of "The System" that we can remember who we are and begin the de-programming.
A lot of our Love For Life work is about exposing all the tricks of those behind "The System" so that we don't all follow along blindly down their Yellow Brick Road.

We were all once tribes of MAN on land, living with NO SYSTEM. This is where we have to return if we want true freedom, freedom from trauma. As you can see if you are willing, Max, what's going on with One People is only showing us who is taking the first steps down the Yellow Brick Road, who is still caught up in the codes, squiggles and digits, in the past and the future of System Life.

You said, "Hopefully this REALITY will give you pause to question your actions before spreading lies, hatred and false information about others in future Arthur... have a nice day brother."

What we are doing, Max, is exposing everybody who wants the system in any guise because anything to do with "The System" is lies, deception, hatred and false information and all of it is trauma based. This is why we live for no system. You have yet to say that you live for no system. Everyone who is connected to this deception will want "The System". Can you let everyone know where you stand on this, Max?

For more on trauma refer below.

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian

Taken from this post: (these posts are copied below)

"The System" & Everything Of It
IS Rooted In TRAUMA
Our Conditioned Reactions To TRAUMA
Is What Constructs "The System"

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
1st July 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8449

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Dennis FrmAccounts

OPPT are doing a flip flop they're talking about contracting with the banks now after foreclosing

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Arthur Cristian

Max Igan replied again Wednesday 3rd July 2013 00:59

"Arthur, referencing yourself to "elucidate" on what you say is the height of egotism and not one single thing in the essay I skimmed over that you posted above justifies the lies, the hatred and the falsehoods you so readily created about me... you need to wake up because all you are doing is perpetuating division... I would never post hatred of another.... and even with the lies you posted about me (having never met me) I never even responded, because I have more respect for life than that.... in fact your own actions speak volumes about the you that you will not face... but anyway... the oppt did what it was supposed to do... it provided to tools for those who choose to step away from the system, to do so... the thing that has stopped more people doing so, are people like you who have a vested interest in maintaining the fight and the fiction for their own agendas ....people like you ARE the system...

and arthur, in order to create a kin domain, you need to first free the people of earth... and buying into your property in the mistaken and fictional belief that one can actually own part of the earth is simply stupid and circumvents the REAL issue completely... wake up brother

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Arthur Cristian

These words "hatred", "lies", "egotism", "falsehoods", "division", etc, are just claims made up by you MAX. They are all lies. All you are attempting to do is create a controversy where there isn't one. You are trying to kidnap/hijack our characters so that you can impersonate them, claiming these claims are our intentions, coming from us, when in fact they are your claims (lies), you made them all up. You seem to really enjoy practising black magic as in remote viewing, remote control and remote projection. Are you psychic Max? Do you have a third eye? Our conscience is very clear. When it comes to your claims, we have nothing to be concerned about.

01:12

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Arthur Cristian

Max said "and arthur, in order to create a kin domain, you need to first free the people of earth... and buying into your property in the mistaken and fictional belief that one can actually own part of the earth is simply stupid and circumvents the REAL issue completely... wake up brother".

We never made such claims Max. These are not our intentions. They are not the path you claim we are traversing.

01:12

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Brad Needs Acoffee

HAHA fight fight fight fight

Ive seen you fight with so many people here Aurthur Arthur Cristian

16 hours ago

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur Cristian and the System of Kindom.

By: Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ

Arthur, Fiona,

Your "kneejerk response" of using overwhelming rhetoric toward Max Igan, myself and/or anyone else who stands beyond your intellectual "theories" is indicative of the dualistic and opposing Power play of one who seeking to establish a "countersystem. All systems are Satanic in nature.

It is this power play that I have repeatedly brought to your attention only to cause you to freak out in countering with a deluge of facesaving verbiage.

Such revelations are stand alone truth and do not require debate for Truth is Self-Evident to all who have the spiritual "eyes to see and ears to hear."

Your propensity toward inducing debate and perpetuating it is also satanic in its nature. That is indisputable, and inarguable.

Truth is like a seed. You plant it and let nature take its course. Some seeds will produce fruit, some will not.

One cannot force seeds to grow, anymore than they can force Truth upon another, for then it is no longer Truth, but the Satanic Idea of Truth.

One cannot arrive at truth through logic, and pursuasion. It emerges only when all the illusory obstacles which keeps it hidden from ones consciousness are exposed and disintegrated.

You will note that I do not engage in debate, much to the consternation of countless internet intellectuals, but rather expose the obstacles to Truth which blind all satanic conditioned believers.

That is what Pisses off the average man who is in bondage and servitude to his Satanic ruled Intellect.

Truth will NEVER BE found in the collective mindset of systematic thought, but is the very essence of the individual consciousness based in direct perception of Truth. Systems are directed toward the Collective, never to the self-realizing man or woman.

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ

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Arthur Cristian

"Fight", that is your claim (story-telling) Brad.

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Brad Needs Acoffee

lol. looks like a bit of an argument to me.. Takes two to tango.. Is max not a friend on your list anymore?

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Arthur Cristian

More claims (story telling), claims (story telling), claims (story telling), coming from you Raymond... "kneejerk response" , "overwhelming rhetoric", "intellectual "theories", "power play", "countersystem", "facesaving verbiage", "Your propensity toward inducing debate and perpetuating it is also satanic in its nature", "Truth is Self-Evident", "force seeds to grow", " force Truth upon another", "One cannot arrive at truth through logic, and pursuasion", etc.......

15 hours ago

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Brad Needs Acoffee

pmsl, I should come here more often

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Arthur Cristian

Brad, you are obviously oblivious to what has been going on since OPPT appeared on the scene (early this year).


Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
27th February 2013 onwards...
Part One: http://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao
Part Two: http://youtu.be/tbybeOWZ-Bc
Part Three: http://youtu.be/yOWoxH-HbVw
Part Four: coming
Part Five: coming

Max Igan & The Fraud Of The OPPT
(One Peoples Public Trust)

Facebook Discussion With Arthur & Fiona Cristian
17th to 19th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8357

OPPT Is A Scam
Why "Self" Is Not MAN

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
21st February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8363

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Brad Needs Acoffee

You guys seem to have a lot of spare time on your hands to write such large theseus about each other. lol

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Arthur Cristian

More claims (story telling) coming from your ignorance mate, no offence intended.

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Brad Needs Acoffee

lol

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Brad Needs Acoffee

Ahhh well, I like max work. So your going to have to live with it. haha

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Brad Needs Acoffee

Arthur, I think you'd do a lot better if you limited most of your articles to 500 words. with more paragraphing and make more colourful stories within and around the facts/the points.

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, you've listed what you call claims, but I noticed you haven't addressed them. With your system of denial and superficiality , in sloughing off the deeper spirit of the words, what is the purpose of having Dialogue on these groups. Raymond Karczewski

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Arthur Cristian

Using English Oxford Dictionary meanings, we have clearly explained everything to you Raymond. It's up to you to put the effort in. If you can't sense what is going on, where we are actually coming from, then it will require for you to learn how to do that in your unique way, and again, this has been explained to you over and over again as well. Here is the link again where you can contemplate on our intentions to learn how to sense them. To us, there is NOTHING new coming from you..... yet.

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

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Brad Needs Acoffee

OPPT to slavery is not as optional as you might think Arthur Cristian for a start you and I are both on the internet, unless you are hijacking your connection. Partially free of slavery may be possible. Thats simply through non compliance, performing a type of work, or working with a type of people where work is work and optional without threat of loosing it.

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Brad Needs Acoffee

Then theres the option of more advanced jobs where you work for yourself, or you are looked upon as a need/a requirement a favour. An articulating kind of job a kind of art or fine art, a type of development or ingenuity. There you will find involvement vs slavery, optional rewarded involvement.

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Arthur Cristian

Thanks Brad, but we are not interested in being moulded into how you want us to show up to be so that it will work for you. If you want to, learn to appreciate the differences/uniqueness/originality in everyone, meaning you have to sense them by learning to use your SENSES and put aside the "control freak",....... again, no offense intended. Obviously, you can say NO and just move on. We are not here for your entertainment value mate.

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Brad Needs Acoffee

Is that the art of twist speech?

14 hours ago

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Brad Needs Acoffee

when did I request you be moulded Arthur Cristian ?

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Brad Needs Acoffee

Ok then what works for you?

14 hours ago

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Brad Needs Acoffee

Arthur Cristian are you not sitting in front of a lap top with an internet connection you pay for right now? that has come at the cost of someone elses time and energy?

14 hours ago

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Arthur Cristian

Get up to speed Brad with our work/writing over the last twelve months or so and then how about coming back here and carrying on the conversation then. We just don't have the "waking life" available to repeat everything that has already been written, sometimes over and over again. Here is a link where you can find all the links to Love For Life videos, articles, debates, discussions, podcasts, etc. All the hard labour has been put in, you just need to put the effort in now and get up to speed with where we are at and heading etc. Obviously you don't have to do that either - refer above to our views on this if you want to start a detailed conversation about such subjects you have already touched on needing us to explain our insights, views, attitudes, direction, etc. http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8369

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Arthur Cristian

We are in need of rest now as it's getting late - have children on brainwashing-school holidays clamouring for our attention in a few hours. All the best - Arthur & Fiona.

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, if you keep this nonsense up, you will have lost all that you have accomplished so far. You have provided a service to men of Intellect, I have provided a service to men of Spirit. Between us we complimented each other for some time until ambition was unleashed by you. You no longer hid your motives. That arthur is going to destroy everything you have done. I have warned you of this, but you disregard it. So Be It! Raymond Karczewski

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Brad Needs Acoffee

HAHAHA take a fucking page out of my book brother! and youl learn more in a few pages as opposed to a whole your own self made novel. I dont have time to read everyones novels . I appreciate your views but nothing is black and white.

14 hours ago

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Brad Needs Acoffee

Your views divert from waking life Arthur Cristian and they convolute the already convoluted. Your views are much more ridged oppressing and restrictive to waking life. Waking life is open ended.

14 hours ago

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Brad Needs Acoffee

Waking life is a poor metaphor to use for the small achievement of undermining, considering "waking life" is a contrast to such a behavior within its own tale.

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Arthur Cristian

Brad, then you have nothing to be concerned about, you have already worked everything out and are living your truth, it s your life you are referencing here in "The System". As for us, unless you put the hours in to read, learn and SENSE where we are really coming from, what our perceptions are, what our direct experiences are, what we live for, what we stand for, what makes us tick, etc, etc, you are completely left in the dark (of your own making) about us and all your life-experience up to now will not reveal the truth about us, our intentions, where we are coming from, what makes us tick, etc...... Superimposing your views over us just shrouds/hoods/blocks us out by this projected darkness/shadows of "intellectual thought/property"of your own making. We, our real lives, are not on your radar. All you are doing is re-presenting us, our characters, our lives, in your image. We are not there/present, standing apart from you, instead you have captured us by your image-power.

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Arthur Cristian

Raymond, in "The System" we have NOTHING to lose as we have NOTHING to claim/own/buy/gain etc. We are not concerned about followings or being leaders etc. We do not live for these lies. If anyone tries to literally follow us they are on their "wrong" (shattered reality/story telling) track. We are no ones sheep nor shepherd. We are not emotionally attached (trauma based reactions) to the outcomes of whether people in "The System" like us or not. You are obviously oblivious to where we are really coming from - it is clear that you do not SENSE us. You prefer to stand behind the projections of your IMAGE-POWER claiming them to be the truth about us, about our lives, what makes us tick, etc, when in fact they are blatant lies, you just made them up. May the penny drop for you Raymond. Again, everything has already been shared/said and so much more here:

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

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Arthur Cristian

Max Igan sent another PM

they are not "claims I made up" arthur they are an obsevation of your actions and the lies, hatred and false information you created and posted about me... people like you and the bullshit and hatred you peddle are a HUGE part of the problem because your own actions show you have a heart as black as coal

anyway, Im not interested in any long discorse with you as you are way too narcissistic to ever truly see the obvious. I just wanted to demonstrate how utterly wrong you were and how the OPPT's UCC filings have actually been helping people. I dont hold any hatred, jealously or anymosity towards you, as you do towards me and as you have amply demonstrated with your hate videos and disinformation campaigns and wish you well. ... I just wish you would wake up and start working for positive change rather than helping perpetuate division to serve your own agenda.

Don't bother replying as I have no interest in conversing with you past this point unless you happen to wake up from the illusion you are living in

Wednesday 3rd July 2013 11:13

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Arthur Cristian

Then you are saying (claiming) you have lived with us, have had private, 1st party to 1st party dealings (direct experience) with us on an ongoing basis to know from direct experience who we really are? What you have posted here, these images, are of your own making Max and we don't buy into them. They live ONLY with you, there maker.

11:14

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Raymond Karczewski

A Lesson in Spiritual Mirroring

By: Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ

ac: > As for us, unless you put the hours in to read, learn and SENSE where we are really coming from, what our perceptions are, what our direct experiences are, what we live for, what we stand for, what makes us tick, etc, etc, you are completely left in the dark (of your own making) about us and all your life-experience up to now will not reveal the truth about us, our intentions, where we are coming from, what makes us tick, etc

rk; Arthur, by the statement you made above, you have shown to others that it is you who are unaware of Truth. Truth is Timeless, and holistic (holy) in its energy and is not linear in nature. Truth cannot be grasped by the Intellect, only the "Idea of truth" can.

rk: One who resonates with Truth, a Christ, one who is beyond the satanic conditioning of language, is a man/woman of insight, and has direct perception of Truth which is accessible ONLY in the eternal and timeless moment of NOW.

rk: Truth is not found in the time-bound realm of the "letter of the word", a realm which you promote by directing others to plow through your writing by putting in the hours to formulate their image of you.

rk: Even you must see that such advice is based in Satanic time-bound conditioning and not timeless insight based in Divine Awareness. You have adopted the posiiton of the Blind leading the Blind

rk: In the realm of the Hellish bound Intellect, your advice is better than a "Poke in the Eye." You do provide a service by playing to other intellects, who are ignorant of their true nature and who are goal oriented in bettering their station in hell, but you, Arthur are not communicating Truth. You are communicating the "Idea of Truth", and that, Arthur is still confines you to serving the Satanic Intellect.

rk: You fell apart when you began reacting to your own ambition, by flexing your muscles and posturing as a leader, in promoting the Kindom System. Your writing are popular because it applies itself to the time-bound, dualistic, opposing Intellect which is LEGION.

ac: > ...... Superimposing your views over us just shrouds/hoods/blocks us out by this projected darkness/shadows of "intellectual thought/property"of your own making.

rk: Arthur, you got that one BASSACKWARDS, have you not? And that seems pretty much what frosts you no end. Damned near all who read my writings DO NOT UNDERSTAND THEM but they do react to them in the same way as you do when you rail against the inescapable truth which sears, burns away the satanic images which shroud the essence of Truth in your consciousness.

rk: Arthur, I am not picking on you personally, but you do serve as a lesson to others who also do not see these same satanic behaviors in themselves while they create their own personal HELL OF EARTH.

ac: We, our real lives, are not on your radar.

rk: Ah, but they are, I do not judge you, I merely point out what the spiritually blind cannot see.

ac: All you are doing is re-presenting us, our characters, our lives, in your image. We are not there/present, standing apart from you, instead you have captured us by your image-power.

rk: Nonsense, nowhere in our many communications can you find anywhere where I have told you how to live. On the other hand, that is what your concentration is upon when addressing others.

ac: Raymond, in "The System" we have NOTHING to lose as we have NOTHING to claim/own/buy/gain etc. We are not concerned about followings or being leaders etc.

rk: Come on Arthur, Let's cut to the chase, shall We? The spirit of your words DO NOT MATCH the letter of your Words. Your promotion on Kindom living is based on the "letter of the Word" while I merely point to the contradictions found in the "Spirit of your words."

rk: You are helpless to defend against such mirroring, and that is why I say with each passing response to my Mirroring of YOu, that you are destroying your credibility and everything you have worked for. These are hard lessons, and your behavior shows you are reluctant to learn them.

ac: > We do not live for these lies. If anyone tries to literally follow us they are on their "wrong" (shattered reality/story telling) track. We are no ones sheep nor shepherd. We are not emotionally attached (trauma based reactions) to the outcomes of whether people in "The System" like us or not.

rk: If that were so, would you flood these threads with such OVERWHELMING FACE SAVING RESPONSES? Or would you merely speak your truth in a "like it or lump it" format, thereby not interfering with their FREE WILL.

ac: > You are obviously oblivious to where we are really coming from - it is clear that you do not SENSE us. You prefer to stand behind the projections of your IMAGE-POWER claiming them to be the truth about us, about our lives, what makes us tick, etc, when in fact they are blatant lies, you just made them up. May the penny drop for you Raymond. Again, everything has already been shared/said and so much more here:

rk: Arthur Whose energy SHOUTS of dualism and opposition, of argument and debate, of facesaving and defensiveness? Therein lies the SELF-EVIDENT truth for everyone to see, including yourself.

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ

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Arthur Cristian

For anyone who wants to follow the track record of our dealings with Max Igan, here is a chronological order as it unfolded with OPPT in toe.......

Max Igan & The Fraud Of The OPPT
(One Peoples Public Trust)

Facebook Discussion With Arthur & Fiona Cristian
17th to 19th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8357

OPPT Is A Scam
Why "Self" Is Not MAN

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
21st February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8363

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
27th February 2013 onwards...
Part One: http://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao
Part Two: http://youtu.be/tbybeOWZ-Bc
Part Three: http://youtu.be/yOWoxH-HbVw
Part Four: coming
Part Five: coming

A Spell Master At Work
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
21st April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8401

3 hours ago

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Max Igan

no, Im basing my opinion of you on the unwarranted lies, hatred and false information you have spread about me without knowing one single thing about me... and just think Arthur, we could have been friends, however you chose the path of lies, anymosity and self promotion at the expense of others... pity

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Max Igan replied (after he received the posts on Trauma, System Life & Govern-MEN-t) from us.

lol... another essay referencing yourself to back up what you claim?... lol...damn you have to be the most self absorbed person on this planet Arthur...
yeah trauma is trauma ...and false information and lies directed at another to serve a personal agenda, is false information and lies directed at another to serve a personal agenda... and you sir are a nasrcissitic idiot

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Arthur Cristian

This is Fiona here Max with Arthur. Why are you so keen for a fight? You do not have to like what we say. We have no problem with that. Why don't you go and do some more One People promotion, as that seems to be the way you see to create paradise for all without leaders and followers? Unless you do not want paradise for all.

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Max Igan

Well Fiona, I think you should be asking yourselves those questions as Im not the one who posted lies, hatred and disinformation about a fellow researcher,... that was you.. it was you who decided to start the fight.... from this message, you are obviously just as sarcisstic, just as bent on division and the perpetuation of the system to serve your own agenda, and just as bent on establishing your cult and as quite obviously just as black hearted as Arthur

over and out

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Arthur Cristian

All lies are a curse - all liars are cursed - with us the makers of curses/lies are forced to process and amplify them exclusively with no way out until they make whole with those they intended to harm or have harmed.

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Max Igan

then, as you have clearly stated, you are cursed
goodbye

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Arthur Cristian

Then you have nothing to be concerned about.

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Arthur Cristian

Chiefs And Indians

@ Raymond Karczewski

The fact is, not withstanding all the brainwashing and damage under the image power of another man's version of system life, and we think that most reading here would agree with this, we already are living creator (god- chief), we are already gifted in God's/living creator's (Chief's) likeness/image and have everything we need to create the lives we dream of and take full responsibility for our lives and for creating paradise for all to experience. We don't need leaders and followers, chiefs and indians. We are all chiefs and, if we are taking full responsibility for our lives and our tribes, we are all indians too. Can you comprehend that a true chief has never been under another MAN, has never been "educated" or forced under the image power of another MAN? This is at the heart of paradise.

The problem we keep seeing, is that everybody is trying to make indians out of chiefs and chiefs out of indians, to have others be under their image power, which is what "The System" is all about. This is what we have to work on - not sabotaging each other's uniqueness/originality, meaning we are not undermining the chiefs that we are and making us less than that. We are the true power but we have turned into petty, nitpicking, bickering re-presentations of MAN, none of whom have the guts to stand up and be who we really are as MAN, not reliant on any other MAN or any system, allowing people to be the chief and indian they are without being a slave or a ruler and without interfering while we work together.

Learning not to react or feel insulted or attacked or powerless when others speak what they are thinking and perceiving is part of being MAN healed from trauma. Under the image power of "The System", chiefs have been turned into wimps. They tell us there are 7 billion of us now but hardly any of us are chiefs, not reliant on anything except the life (water, living food, shelter) they are part of. Read "Control The Land And You Control MAN On The Land Displace MAN From Land And You Turn MAN Into Slaves" link posted below.

Most of the 7 billion are in chicken coups, producing eggs for their masters and squawking about their living conditions while not doing anything to take responsibility for their living conditions. Useless food eaters indeed - consumers of materialism and superficiality. Very few are living otherwise.

Paradise is being able to visit chiefs wherever we go, MAN of MAN creating unique lives of no harm, and being able to experience the full glory of the chiefs and how they live. This is very different from visiting Raymond in his caravan, plugged into "The System", surrounded by harm and reliant on slaves and rulers while he claims to be a Christ (chief). The only way we can reach our full chief potential is when we have land to care for where we can take full responsibility for our lives without having to answer to anybody else's expectations (thought control). When you are a chief, you are not under anyone else providing you with everything, you do not need contracts with councils or power companies and you do not need the shops to provide you with food and comforts.

We are not trying to tell people how to live (create) their lives, only pointing out the present pathways of harm that only lead to more harm and more harm and never to paradise. Most people are too lost to create their lives as chiefs because they are too busy following the navigational directories others have written for them. This is image power and Max Igan and One People are just a continuation of that image power.

Raymond, you have said nothing new to us. To us, co-creating paradise is paramount. Taking full-responsibility for that to happen is beneficial for everyone. With us, we live for no system because, once there is no more power and control over land, we all can have access to land to take full responsibility for our lives. There is room for everyone. We have already explained all this over and over and over again so we won't offend the "under 500 words" crowd by repeating it. Info can be found here: "The Spell Is Broken - Taking The Land To Create Kindom" & "The Steps Of Kindom": links provided below.

In reference to this present exchange with Raymond Karczewski & Max Igan here: Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201394869221762 - we replied to Raymond:

You missed out something here Raymond - the creation of our lives as MAN - do you sense them?

It seems you are only interested in promoting the creation of your life, Raymond. What seems to be happening here is that we are surrounded by people wanting us (everyone) to fit into their boxes. We shouldn't write so much is a common complaint - what if we just have a lot to say and try to communicate it as clearly as we can?

Is that a crime?

Is that Satanic mirroring?

And then our replies are knee-jerk, defensive, etc. As we have said over and over, who among you is here with us so they can see us getting angry, reactive, face saving etc? There is already so much stuff around about us, both negative and positive and we are past trying to please everybody. We are not worried what people think. We are not attached to the outcomes. We cannot force others to want to create paradise. We just put information out there so that those who want to can be inspired to find their own unique ways to co-create paradise. Like the sun that shines constantly, we do what we do for a purpose.

But.......sigh....all this has already been said over and over so what can we conclude from that? Either that no one reads what we write and makes the effort to comprehend what we are saying or we are completely oblivious morons with absolutely no idea about who we are. Yes, there are obviously those who would agree with that and that is fine, and maybe some of those people who think we are doing it all wrong and should be doing it according to x, y and z should come and live our lives for us, raise the children for us, walk the dogs, run the hectic household, take care of the gardens, take over the website, write all the articles and posts, answer the phone calls, greet the visitors, wear our clothes, etc, so that they can be sure that everything is done according to their expectations and instructions so then Arthur and Fiona Cristian will fit into the boxes required. Then they might as well dig holes for us and put us in them because there will be no reason for us to have a life anymore.

And no doubt this reply will be written off as knee-jerk, defensive, etc, but actually we are laughing at the absurdity of people who continually want to change who we are so that we act according to their navigational directory of acceptable thought processes and acceptable expression of those thought processes so we don't get "lost" and arrive safely at the destination they have pre-determined for us, something Raymond does again and again. Will the penny drop? And as for attacking Max, we didn't remove the FB friendship, we have no gripe against Max and he is welcome to visit anytime as are Raymond, Brad and all other detractors. Just give us warning so that we can polish the throne and get Arthur dressed in his ceremonial robes, with the collection box alongside (cheques/postal orders made out to Fiona Cristian) and please be extra generous if you would like a personal blessing from Arthur. Only takes about 16 hours to get everything in place.

So yes, we get what you all say, we just don't agree and we will continue to do what we see best as long as we have the energy to do so. Maybe we are wrong about everything we do. Well, if we are, then maybe others will learn from our mistakes and we will still have been useful in showing others what not to do and they will go ahead and create paradise for ALL, showing us the error of our ways as we see nature healed and restored and living MAN once again walking undisturbed through the food forests across Earth.

Let's see if Chief (Christ) Raymond's navigational directory of acceptable thought processes and acceptable expression of those thought processes so we don't get "lost" and arrive safely at the destination Raymond has pre-determined for us, kicks in again.

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201394869221762

Regarding Raymond's Facebook Wall: https://www.facebook.com/raymond.karczewski.9 - To us, what is very clear here is your ongoing attempt to plaster your Facebook wall with more and more lies about us Raymond. It's becoming pathetic. All correspondence we've been experiencing with you since 13th May 2013 is posted here http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414 so that everyone who comes to your Facebook wall can see the bigger picture coming from all sides. We are shortly to complete our final instalment to the exchange we had with Raymond "Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness" and we will post it on Raymond's Wall and here:

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Max Igan & The Fraud Of The OPPT
(One Peoples Public Trust)

Facebook Discussion With Arthur & Fiona Cristian
17th to 19th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8357

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

"The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

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Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201394869221762

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The Cristian Family November 2006

The Divine Spark


A Facebook Discussion With Raymond Karczewski
Arthur & Fiona Cristian And Others

30th September 2013 to 2nd October 2013

Phil wrote: "Arthur / Fiona, Once again I'm trying to improve on the expression "Finding Center" an idea of how not to be corrupted by chaos / trauma. Using nonsense that we have to, once again I solicit your comments...in my quest for providing understanding to anyone foreign to such ideas."

We replied..........

Hi Phil, using our senses to attune with the purpose of sensory life-forms, inanimate or not, all-around us, including celestial bodies, is what has be "centred"/WHOLE. Freedom is not a destination, same with "Finding Center". There is a purpose for the dream of life and we attune with that purpose when we re-connect with the purpose of sensory-life all-around-us. It is the distraction of "system thought/images" (non-sensory-images - all trauma based causing reactions to trauma) that pulls us away from our/MANS true purpose for the dream of life, our real lives.

This is why it is critical that we all get back to the garden (nature/earth) and walk away from"The System" with its 1001 kaleidoscopic distractions like 9/11, Who Is Behind It, Global Warming, Chemtrails, Vaccination, Economy, Money, Insurance, Credit Cards, Bank Accounts, Savings, Assets, Balance Sheets, Profit & Loss, All University Courses/Careers, Agenda 21, Illuminatii, NWO, Freeman, Sovereignty, Politics, Man-made Law, Aliens, UFO's, Crop Circles, System Science, Sport, Fashion, Fads, Drugs, Alcohol, Smoking, Technology, Religions, Messiahs, Saviours, Cosmic Galactic Intervention, War, Media, read and write alphabet languages, mathematics, geometry/sacred-geometry, etc, etc, etc........, none of which connect you with the dream of life (with who you really are), instead they bind you to the dead world of the living-dead = "The System" (NON-SENSE).

It's not what "they" can do or are doing........ it's what we are doing in present-sense that makes the difference between true freedom and thinking freedom, between being whole/centered and thinking/finding wholeness/centerdness.

We have to give up being self-centered which is what "System" thought/images" is all about. We become mesmerised by perpetual addiction to "system thought/images". Currently, the man-made matrix/illusion ("The System") is very powerful, enchanting and hypnotic.

Unless we give up "System thought/images" we will never break the spell it has over almost all of us. We were meant to be connected with the purpose of Nature/Earth/Sensory Life all-around-us. The effects of "self-centeredness" is the disconnection with freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, do no harm, no loss of uniqueness/originality, etc.

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1st October 2013

There is no Help for Hypocrites !

Arthur, Fiona, there is no Help for Hypocrites out of the hell of the system which rules civilized mankind. It is for each to Understand within themselves the hold that Satanic Conditioning of the system has upon one's consciousness via the Intellect and to transcend it, to rise above it, To demonstrate by action, not words, that one needn't be of the system, even though the system rules the world. In other words to "be in this world, but not of it."

Most people, are ignorant of their True selves. They are trapped by their satanically conditioned egos, and Identify with their own created world projected by their unhealthy egos with their intellectual tainted views born of their non-tested fictitious beliefs.

When one speaks to others of Non-dualistic Truth, Holistic Truth, they, trapped by their superficial beliefs only see what their own interpretive minds will allow them to see. Therefore they are limited in their understanding. Such limitations are indeed what may be called IGNORANCE. Such 'Ignoramuses' are merely UNAWARE people. They don't know any better. They are confused and fearful. Therefore they cannot and will not meet the unknown of the Infinite, the home of Truth, God, Divine Intelligence.

The pointing out of such limitations throws them into a frenzy. Angered at what they hear, they seek to break the Mirror of Truth, which casts the true reflection of who and what they truly are, and not what they have, for a lifetime, falsely thought themselves to be. The pain they feel is real, but they have given up so much of themselves to support the lie, the false images that have been
conditioned into them, they lack the energy to change. They seek therefore to strengthen the illusion while living in denial of the Hellish world which they have unknowingly been coerced to create and support. They retreat into a hypnotic cocoon, seeking comfort, security, entertainment. They imagine themselves to be the opposite of what they are. You'll know them for the "Warm and Fuzzies" they project on the outside, while they seethe within from the Confusion and angst they experience from having to involve themselves in such hypocracies to get through the moment.

I have such people in my family. The scourge of Catholicism has robbed them of their spiritual senses. They consider themselves good people, good catholics, yet they are oblivious as to the Satanic Conditioning of Catholicism, that binds their souls to the Hell on Earth they have made of their lives.

Arthur, you and Fiona provide a great service to mankind in offering such a physical solution to the problems of the system, but you do not touch upon the essence that will truly free man. This world is a Spiritual Training Ground. The Satanic System will always be there for some. One must not escape from it. One must rise above it, untouched by the dualistic satanic energies, while languishing in the non-dualistic realm of the Infinite, the realm of Truth. Many will not even understand what I have just said.

All problems experienced by Civilized Man can be Traced to their Satanic Conditioning where they have traded their God given Gift of Divine Awareness for Satanic Conditioning. Hell, isn't It?

"No other man but I, in the recorded History of mankind, including JESUS CHRIST, has directly revealed to the World the SATANIC WEAPON used to enslave mankind -- INTELLECTUAL THOUGHT!!"

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ

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We replied..................

Raymond, we agree with your illustration of people caught in the Satanic conditioning (re-presenting "intellectual property") trap. And, we would add that the big missing link for many people is the illusion of separation between the "divine" (or whatever) and natural sensory physical forms.

From our perspective/direct-life-experience we share the following views/insights.......

There is no separation; when you are looking at a deer grazing in the forest, you are looking at, experiencing the "divine" set into motion, total perfection, as is every other sensory living life form in its true form (not tampered with, deformed, etc by man corrupted by system knowledge/satanic thought).

Transcending satanic conditioning is what happens when we re-connect with the "divine" by re-connecting with sensory life/nature/life forms which is what we do when we begin to shake off the satanic conditioning (story telling) by withdrawing our lives from "The System" of satanic conditioning. It is how we live our lives in the physical, day to day way that gives us the contemplating space to see/sense the shackles the conditioning of "The System" has put over our brains and bodies.

When we are growing food, interacting with animals, with nature/earth being our biggest influence rather than satanic conditioning (education), we begin to recognise the death trap grip over us. As we connect with "the "divine" in everything, sharing the life force energy, the consciousness, we are reinvigorated and restored as we are expanding. It is the satanic conditioning and the everyday struggle of setting it into motion that strips us of the life force energy of the "divine".

The "divine" is the intention set into motion as the deer, giving the deer its purpose for the dream of life - this is the intention of the "divine". What we are saying is that there is no separation between the physical and the purpose/intention.The act of creation is the dream of the deer set into motion. It is not that there is the "divine" in one corner and the deer in the other. This is the same throughout the WHOLE of the dream of life. The "divine" is every living, sensory particle of life. It is the water of our breath, charged with our life force energy, the "divine" purpose of our sensory-life and of all of sensory-life.

Connecting with the "divine" is what happens when we have a direct, sensory experience of a sensory-life form, be it a deer or a carrot growing in our garden. And why is the direct experience so important? Because each life form will have a unique experience with the deer or the carrot and no other life form can educate or explain the "divine" that is that direct experience because it is different (unique/original) for every sensory life form.

To us, direct connection/experience with the "divine" is what came to us when you said, "the home of Truth, God, Divine Intelligence". For a variety of reasons, we prefer not to use words like "God" or "Divine Intelligence". Instead, we like the words "Living Creator" (MAN) and "Sensory Life-Form" or "Sensory Information" (MANS Consciousness). We can't sense (have direct experience/perception with) a "God" or a "Divine Intelligence" but we can sense MAN (Living Creator) and Sensory Life Forms.

The whole of the dream of life is "divine" and it is in physical form. It has always been in physical form, as sensory life. There is no beginning or end to physical (SENSORY) form and never has been or will be. Satanic conditioning makes this so hard to comprehend/sense.

This is why "The System" places so much importance on "educating" our children (and us) - they need their non-sensory images to be in our thoughts so that we remain under the control of their image power. If our children were allowed to have direct experiences with sensory-life, the "divine", always, they would not fall for the satanic conditioning because it would not exist as truth for them. They would see right through the lies, as you say, "transcend it".

We will learn to get on with each other when we recognise the "divine" in every sensory life form, including MAN, and stop tampering with sensory life and hammering each other with non-sensory image power (intellectual property). This is the intention that we are setting into motion. What drives us, and is behind all the Love for Life work is the intention to re-connect with and re-create that simpler way of life. People still under the grips of their satanic conditioning often cannot and do not want to sense that intention, that "divine" in us. Instead they hang onto their belief systems and attack in all the ways you describe, still trapped but unwilling to look at ways to unlock the cage.

We are not interested in being "right" about views; we are determined to get away from image power which is all about living the lie. We do not want to support lies. This is why we will not re-present intellectual property just for the sake of "niceness". Those lost to satanic conditioning use their image-power-views as justifications in their righteous arguments to keep their satanic conditioning (beliefs) intact. When we connect with the "divine", there is nothing to be "right" about, nothing to lie about. There is no longer any need to protect or fight for a belief (lie). We refuse to lie or to condone, support and protect a lie.

So often, satanic conditioning has us try to force others to fit into their "boxes", instead of looking for the "divine" in each of us, trying to work out why they are doing what they are doing and what their intention is. What is the outcome they are dreaming for? When we fight for image power, there is no "divine" there. The purpose of the argument is to maintain their image power and it is their image power that has brought them into the argument.

They lie by hiding behind their image power and cannot admit it because their pride gets in the way. That is the intention, the lie (the curse) - and we have all been caught up in this lie (processing curses) because our image power tells us who we are in "The System" and how to create our system lives. Unfortunately, this is all lies and not who we really are.

Many of us are waking up to "The System" and our intention is to remove the image power of "The System" from our lives so that our grandchildren's lives, if not our children's or our lives, can be free to co-create with all of the "divine". As a family waking up to what is really going on, we are compromised now, still using "The System" because this is what we know now, but being attached to "The System" is not our long term intention IN THIS LIFE. Having four children does not make it easy to take off to the wilderness and anyway, we do not see that as a long-term solution.

Our intention is to be an example IN "The System" (physically) of how to transition our lives out of "The System" by weaning our lives away from everything of "The System". It is our intention to see an end result of NO SYSTEM that is the "divine" that changes things, that shifts our consciousness and the consciousness of those around us as we make a shift in our way of life, in this life.

It is as if we are in a tunnel but we can see the light at the end of the tunnel and we are doing what we can in the tunnel, using what there is in the tunnel to get towards the light at the end of the tunnel. Remaining in the tunnel is not our objective, even if it is where we are at present. This is about a shift in consciousness from supporting lies to recognising the "divine" in all of us and re-connecting with each other so that we once again form community immunity to repel threats of harm against each other and all of life.

There is a war being waged between our ears and, while we are not at war, we have to out-smart those who would be at war with us, so that we do not end up in a Waco situation down the line, or being written off as a cult, etc. The "divine" inspires us in the Love For Life work, as it does you, Raymond.

The subjects touched on in the last few paragraphs have been explored in great detail in the Love For Life work so those interested can read the articles and discussions/debates and watch the videos to find out more.

Finally, co-creating Kindoms/Do No Harm Communities is exactly what you say "To demonstrate by action, not words,". Kindoms is all about demonstrating the "divine" in everyday practical sense. Recognising "Life Is A Gift", Kindom is a Do No Harm way of life sparked by the "divine" in all of us. Kindom does not require a man-made "system" of thought control/image power. Non-Dualistic images/thoughts are SENSORY and that is because the "divine" is SENSORY too. The whole of the dream of life is SENSORY, is "divine". The idea of separation is fantasy, is illusory and is a lie.

To us, everything of truth is SENSE, is SENSORY. Using our senses, truth can always be sensed. We are SENSE and everything of untampered earth/nature is of SENSE too. Sense is the life of the "divine", senses, in motion. There is nothing outside sense, nowhere where sense ends and something else not of sense (non-sense) begins.

Using our SENSES, it's not about being in their world (their world is "The System") but not of it, it is about getting away from everything of the "divine" that we are destroying by being in their world. We cannot be in their world but not of it because, while we are living in "The System", we are destroying the "divine" that is who we are and everything of nature. This is the hypocrisy. We think we are the "divine" all the while we are destroying the "divine". If we are truly "divine", we do not do this.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

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Raymond replied............

2nd October 2013

The Subconscious, The Infinite, The Realm of God

Arthur/Fiona Cristian

Raymond Karczewski

Arthur/Fiona, I perceive the last few articles we have engaged in, answers some of the questions which have created misunderstandings between us. You prefer to keep the conversation at the sensory level of the Intellect. Therefore you are much closer to your audience than I. They can't understand me as I am approaching them from a nonintellectual level of consciousness, One that doesn't fit it with their conditioned intellectual view.

My perception of Truth is based in the resonance of energy which can, and is directly experienced. It is the primal energy which one finds in the realm of consciousness beyond the limited conscious Intellect, the dualistic opposing realm of dead thoughts and concepts utilized for technical problem solving and communication with other intellects.

What I am speaking of is the realm of all creation in Man. It is impossible to describe to another. One may call it the Infinite Unknown of the Subconsciousness mind for it is a realm of nondualistic consciousness which has no boundaries, is beyond time and space and well beyond the ken of the limited, time-bound, linear, programmable dualistic Intellect. It is the realm of Truth, the realm of God.

Most people believe it impossible to access it other than through Hypnosis or other method producing altered States,yet most have accessed the subconscious mind when they experience Direct Insight of Truth. Many do not understand what I mean by God, for their own intellectual Satanic Conditioning has hypnotically conditioned them to believe in dead images and concepts which have been repetitiously drummed into them. Those are the "graven images" the dead concepts of the Intellect that they are warned against via the conditioning of the Ten Commandments. They know the words, but they don't know what the
words mean.

That's what the political and religious mind controllers do, they provide illusions told through story telling, and via hypnotic suggestibility, the meaning of such words to conditioned blind believers, and in the process, create their "core concepts" which stay with most throughout life while destroying their God Given Natural intelligence and make such such people into mimickers, second hand people, servants and slaves to those who control their minds.

Truth has a distinct and unreplicatable resonance to it. Everyone knows it when they experience it unless their consciousness has been damaged through the process of Satanic (dualistic/opposing)
conditioning, and they cannot get beyond their rote-learned, memory based concepts. They find it impossible to act, for in their dualistic opposing mindset, they can only REACT.

Hence, they are set up to not pay attention to What Is unfolding in the eternal moment of NOW, but to engage themselves in constant argument debate and competition, one with the other. Only DUALISTIC concepts, and Ideas are arguable.

NONDUALISTIC TRUTH IS NOT!

I hope that I have clarified what Christ Consciousness is. One can readily see it is not an illusion. It is not a concept. It is not an Intellectual State of Mind.

One can alse see that direct perception of Truth via access of the subconsciousness has a devastating effect upon conscious, Intellectual believers.

One can readily say "Hell, isn't It?"

"No other man but I, in the recorded History of mankind,
including JESUS CHRIST, has directly revealed to the World the
SATANIC WEAPON used to enslave mankind -- INTELLECTUAL THOUGHT!!"

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© -- A Living Christ

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We replied....................

Hi Raymond
The "sensory level of the intellect" does not exist - there is no such thing. The intellect is not of sensory life because the intellect is a satanic concept. Where can we find the intellect in sensory life?

There seems to be a lack of comprehension for many about what we mean by sensory. Satanic conditioning teaches us that sensory is just touch, taste, see, hear, smell but there is also FEEL or SENSE. When we are fully conscious MAN, we can sense/feel the "divine" spark of all other sensory life forms and, most importantly, sense/feel the consequences of our thoughts, feelings and actions on all sensory life forms because we are conscious = aware.

Sensory is not limited to the physical in the meaning we are taught in "The System". When we are conscious and we meet another MAN, we sense/feel them, their intentions, their purpose, etc. We do not need to speak to them using satanic alphabet languages to learn this. Our senses tell us. This is what you call "Christ Consciousness" or "God" in motion. It is the "non-intellectual level of consciousness" as you describe it, although we do not use the word "level".

The intellectual property (non-sense) of "The System" distracts us from consciousness, from sensing the "divine" spark, so that we no longer pay attention to it and become deaf, blind and dumb to the messages of our senses = feelings = instincts = intuition. Thus we no longer sense the destruction to sensory life that we are causing with the non-sensory thoughts, feelings and actions we are setting into motion.

Senses only exist in present sense. The "infinite" is present sense. Sense is present and is "eternal". The "divine" spark can ONLY be SENSED in PRESENT-SENSE.

We get it that you are using Satanic-English to describe what you are directly perceiving and we get what you are saying and where you are coming from and where you are heading with this. The fact is SENSE ("Divine"/"God"/"Christ Consciousness"/Non-Dualistic Images/Thoughts/Concepts/Ideas/etc) has no intellect or levels (including dimensions and planes).

The intellect is dualistic. The intellect is non-sensory images/thoughts bouncing to and fro between the ears (so to speak) with nowhere to go because there is no "divine" spark, no sensory-life-form embodying (backing) the intellect and setting it into motion. The non-sensory images/thoughts of the intellect have no sensory purpose for the dream of life. There was no intention to create a sensory-life-form, hence no "divine" spark.

The "divine" spark is always embodied as a sensory (physical) life-form and ONLY a sensory (physical) life-form can sense the "divine" spark, what you call "Divine"/"God"/"Christ Consciousness"/Non-Dualistic/etc".

The point we raise here is the "divine" spark or FEEL or SENSE IS PHYSICAL too. Unfortunately for most of us and thanks to Satanic conditioning, we have been severely desensitised from SENSING the physical embodiment of FEELINGS, SENSES, "DIVINE SPARK". Therefore, when we see a tree, we just see it, and maybe hear the wind in its leaves but we no longer SENSE the "divine" spark, the purpose and intention of the tree for the dream of life.

This physical embodiment of the "divine" spark is "infinite", "eternal" and therefore is always present to the presence of life = PRESENT-SENSE. We can always sense (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) the "divine" spark. The "divine" spark IS LIFE, is water, is air, is soil, is fruit, is sunlight, is everything of nature/earth/celestial bodies, etc.

Present sense is the "infinite", the "God", the "Christ Consciousness", the "Divine", etc, you talk about, and is MAN, living-creator. For more on MAN/Living Creator, refer to the recent Love For Life post "MAN is the ONLY one that can set thoughts into motion."

Non-Sensory images are the intellect being set into motion by the victims of Satanic Programming. In practise we call this "RE-PRESENTING INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY". The intellect can never be sensed, therefore we call it NON-SENSORY IMAGES/THOUGHTS. Non-Sensory images have no purpose, no intention for the dream of life as there is no "divine" spark (life) setting them into motion. When we are working with SENSE/SENSES, it is the "divine" spark we are attuning to and co-creating sensory life/thoughts/images with as well.

SENSES, using our senses, has us be the "divine" spark.

Non-sensory images are the blinds and curtains that we put up as we lose our connection with our senses and, therefore, with other sensory life forms. When we wake up to being conscious MAN we see/sense the tree as "God", the "birds", the "wind". There is nothing invisible (non-sensory) "behind" the tree because the tree is "God" (consciousness) set into motion.

Unless we destroy the "divine" spark, and we (MAN) are the ONLY ones who can, the "divine" spark formed as the tree is "infinite" and is why the tree creates the tree creates the tree creates the tree...... ALWAYS IN PRESENT SENSE.

And we stress the point, we cannot "own" the "divine" spark, we can only be the motion of the "divine" spark we give life to (set into motion). We cannot "own" God, or our last breath, or our last meal, or our thoughts, otherwise we are not free. Satanic conditioning makes us slaves, forcing us to chip away at the coalface of this non-sense for a life time. We are not free and nearly everyone feels that something is not right but they cannot put their finger on it.

The duality comes when we, MAN, the embodiment of living creator in motion in present sense, put our life force energy into non-sensory images that have no life and are anti-life. It becomes life promoting anti-life, a dual between life and anti-life because we are clinging to our lives all the while we are promoting our "deaths" through our worship of anti-life. Only sensory life exists in present sense but, while we think these anti-life thoughts, they appear to exist, to have some purpose for MAN and MAN's dream of life. This is the hypocrisy you and we both refer to in our previous posts.

This is the dual in duality, the "battle" between "light" and "dark", between life and anti-life (death to life), between sense and non-sense, between consciousness and unconsciousness, between the "divine" spark and emptiness. This "battleground" is between the ears, although, when we continue to set non-sensory images into motion, we are setting anti-life into motion and destroying sensory life around us, denying and rejecting the "divine" spark, instead of setting sensory images of life into motion to continue sensory life. We destroy mountains and valleys instead of sensing them and their purpose and doing all we can to aid them in their purpose for the dream of life.

We have been explaining all this so deeply for years now. Not disregarding everyone's uniqueness and originality, we are on the same page, Raymond, but it is easy to get wires crossed when we are using Satanic languages to try to communicate. This is why using our senses to sense/feel the intentions of those we are communicating with is so important.

As you know and explained so well in your previous post, people don't like it when you point out the lies, especially when they are covering them up with "niceness" and New Age righteousness and posse formation. We sense their not-so-loving intentions beneath the politically correct wording and smile icons and use of the word "brother" and "LPR" (love, peace, respect). In the same way, we sense the purity and sincerity of those who correspond with us, even if they are disagreeing with us.

With you, even though we may have barneys, we still have immense respect and love for you and you will feel that if you are using your senses.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

2nd October 2013

From Another Facebook Post

Andrea Smith said:

"I Don't Think Many People Live Without The System, We Live In A House Or Unit, With Family, We Drive A Car, car insurance, health insurance etc We Pay Taxes. Anyone Who Claims Not To Be In The System Will Not Reply To Any Of This As They Will Not Have Electricity Or A Computer. It Would Be Rare For Someone To Just Leave Everything, Go Bush And Live Off The Land. I'm Sure You Are Still In The System, I Am Still In The System." Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201336766849239

We replied..............

Yes, as a severely compromised family we are still in "The System". Even though Arthur no longer has any contracts with "The System" since early 2009, he is still relying on Fiona and others who do. Getting out of "The System" is a very big step, especially as most of us cannot really imagine how that would be!

However, we realise that getting out of "The System" is the only choice for freedom which is why we have been pushing so very hard since 2006 for "The Steps Of Kindom" REMEDY and with it, "The Spell Is Broken".

But nothing will happen unless there is enough of us immensely hungry, determined and FEARLESS to make it happen in present-sense.

Refer to the thread below "Richard Thompson said: "This sounds like the new age un agenda 21 sustainable bullshit and because of that i did not watch it...": https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201318155743973 (posted below) with our replies to Brett Anderson who we respect heaps BUT who appears to be like almost everyone else, not hungry or determined enough to do something about it here and now.

The inconveniences that will arise in actually doing something will arise no matter what the circumstances may be when and if we decide to do something in present-sense.

The "God" of APATHY and PASSING-THE-BUCK rules supreme.

Most of us are kept in line through the extensive trauma conditioning we've been hammered with, clearly designed to stop us taking FULL-RESPONSIBILITY to create the essential steps we MUST all take here and now to move away from the grip of fear our "System" masters have had over us and and our ancestors going right back to when they were conquered and broken down into slaves.

The trauma is so all-pervasive and powerful that it has an immense hold over us making us extremely greedy and selfish, driven by the fear of trauma and of the inconveniences of letting go of "The System" and the feeling that we cannot trust others so we have to go it alone, stuck with our private complaints and the ongoing sounds of clanging chains coming from our severely compromised victim status. We have so much fear of letting go of what we claim we "own" in "The System" and the greed and selfishness created by the uncertainty of life and the lack of abundance in "The System", that we need the FORCE of "The System" to provide protection at the cost of everyone else suffering in "The System" which includes the loss of freedom, peace, joy, abundance, etc, that comes as we continue selling each other out all-the-time.

This is all trauma.

But it is only through letting go of our fear and our greed and selfishness that we will find true-freedom.

Greed and selfishness make people go off and buy a piece of land so that they can have "their" freedom but that does not keep "The System" from the door and does nothing to create freedom in the lives of those around them and us. It is only through getting together and confronting those of "The System" when they come knocking that we get them out of our lives. Even better when the FORCE behind "The System" no longer exists to come knocking on our door.

"Community Immunity" through large numbers is what they fear and are powerless against. There is no point in half a million of us going to the city to protest and then going home again, still plugged into "The System". Those of "The System" don't give two hoots about this and, in fact, they orchestrate and control such protests because people feel they are doing something when they are still giving all their energy to "The System". They know that the thought of freedom is not freedom. They know that they can manipulate slaves to exhaust their life-energy at rallies, social-media websites, watching footy, masturbating over sexual images, getting pissed, being entertained by petitions, etc, etc, without ever giving LIFE consistently to the thought of freedom. For slaves, the dream of freedom is just that a dream, a thought, an idea always at arms length. The "spell" and PULL towards compliance and addiction to "The System" is so very strong that slaves are back at work the next day or are falling into regimental lines receiving government hand-outs.

If we want to be free of "The System" we have to change the way we are living. At it's hearts and our hearts, this is what the whole debate we recently had with Raymond Karczewski has been about - the thought of our freedom is not the same as creating and living our freedom.

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

Note: the final instalment to this debate, Parts 2 & 3, will be uploaded ASAP. They go deeply into the background of trauma. To us these posts are a huge eye opener clearly revealing how and why the Freemasonic/Satanic world create trauma and brilliantly use it to trap MAN into enclosures where they can be used as slaves for whole life-times.

We are so compromised that sometimes it seems impossible to take the steps away from "The System". They know this and know that this is why most of us are still choosing "The System" over freedom because we are not prepared to give up our system addictions and deal with the many sacrifices and potential suffering we all have to go through to get out the other side.

The power of many of us coming together as "community immunity" to show that we can live together in peace without "The System" is the only method, bar earth-wide extinction brought on by an earth fever, that will break the back of "The System" because, once we no longer need "The System" physically, mentally and emotionally, they have no power over us and "The System" will fade away because no one is giving it any life-energy any more.

When we all come together to be the gift of life for those around us, giving up our self-centredness to labour so that everyone has food, water and shelter and being prepared to stand up for each other so that we all have people we can count on is how we heal the trauma that has us locked into "The System". We are confident that, once a few of us come together to do this, we will soon be saying, "Why didn't we do this years ago?" Yes, we will work hard until we have broken down the FORCE behind "The System" and got rid of it, but the satisfaction of what we achieve will be far beyond that which we feel from the distractions of "The System". But, hey, there is nothing said here that we have not said before because this is what we have been determined to create since 2006.

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

"The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201337743873664

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And Again - From Another Facebook Post

Richard Thompson said:

"This sounds like the new age un agenda 21 sustainable bullshit and because of that i did not watch it... - Brett Anderson said: I have to agree with Richard unfortunately Arthur, whenever the word "sustainability is used these days its sure to be singing from the agenda 21 songbook.' - We replied:

It's the growing of food naturally that was the intention behind this post Brett & Richard. No need to be sorry about this. Anyone who knows our work, particularly you Brett, knows we can clearly see past "The System" think tanks etc... example, refer to the post we put up yesterday about "The Universal Trust Does Not Disclose (Another OPPT?) and the comment we posted in that thread: "Welcome to the New World Order that is "The System" under another guise for everyone sucker punched into accepting and being part of James Goodhue's CORT's Sustainable Development projects in Auckland."

In a way this is hypocrisy coming from you and from us......... while we all continue to use "The System" via its internet, electricity, technology, etc, to communicate and inspire each other to pull out of "The System", we continue supporting the brainwashing and enslavement of MAN and support the continuation of harm to nature/earth MAN too. This compromised "state" has us be hypocrites by using videos like the one we posted above about Permaculture and the other videos posted below it.

It's obvious our inspiration and intention is to co-create a mass exodus out of "The System" so we do what we can to inspire others to learn how we can get back on to the land to co-create food forests, etc, living together with NO SYSTEM. We do not live to continue being enslaved by "The System" forevermore. We see light at the end of the tunnel of "The System" which we are working towards as fast as we can, getting closer and closer and closer as we navigate out of this compromised "state" while inspiring many others to do so as well.

Based on your standards Brett & Richard (and yes, we sense your pure and sincere intentions too), should we now all just stop getting on the net and stop using electricity & technology to reach and communicate with each other because it currently supports "The System" of harm to Earth/Nature/MAN? What about driving cars, using paper, concrete, plastic, bitumen, etc????????

Should we now implement a unilateral policy where we all agree to only use tools that do no harm to communicate with each other. How rigid do you want it to get? Or do we use our senses to sense the intentions coming from those we accept into our lives communicating views, ideas, insights, strategies to getting out of "The System" ASAP because NO SYSTEM is what we ALL live for?

Almost everything we use throughout our waking lives is being used to get us to enter the New World Order and in the same way we use everything of "The System" throughout our waking lives to get out of "The System" that is the New World Order under another guise. We know the path we are on and its destination, what about you?

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

The video Brett & Richard are referring to is called "permaculture - join the r-evolution", yu can find it below on this Facebook wall, it was posted earlier today "Permacuture is a new culture that aims for a sustainable way of living, fully integrated with all life kingdoms on earth. This short movie was shoot during a permaculture design course, hosted by "terra alta" an educational center based in Portugal, and ran by" treeyo permaculture" an international collective of teachers."

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Matt King

Your Foundation is unshakable Arthur/Fiona ... I plant my feet on higher ground with you always, from:
Lynne via matt

21 June at 00:58

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Brett Anderson

Relax Arthur, my comment was purely based on this particular post and the use of the current NWO/Agenda 21 catch phrase 'sustainable living' which seems to be permeating all rhetoric these days, making us all feel guilty for being reliant on the system we are trapped in and therefore manipulating our minds into accepting another deliberate 'problem based solution'. I'm all for living off the grid and being self sufficient, but lets be careful of not being drawn into group speak mind control which directs all efforts to escape the system back into the system itself before one even realises its happened.

21 June at 03:28

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Grant Robinson

Sustainability is another worthy phrase and endeavour that has been coopted by "The Cystem" to mean something else.
Intent and action are what counts in the end.
We need our own language!

21 June at 05:49

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Bee's Heart

yes everything is twofold, we are living in a dualistic world and the intent counts

21 June at 05:51

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Arthur Cristian

@ Brett, you say "but lets be careful of not being drawn into group speak mind control which directs all efforts to escape the system back into the system itself before one even realises its happened." ......... we are already doing this by talking English (The "New World Language") and English is rooted in mathematics and geometry, all of which have us be drawn into a group think/speak/image mind control, that have us be fragmented pieces of a shattered reality as we talk English, think mathematics and feel geometry, etc..., setting into motion, in present sense, our enslavement to the CHAOS of a dead world because they GLUE us with "The System" of their/our ORDER?

What do you think you are doing right now working with telecommunications and electricity or when you buy petrol or go to the shops to buy food or clothes, etc, or while you permit council/private-corporation-government controlled water, gas, electricity, telephone, internet, taxes, etc, come upon the land your family resides so that you and your family can perform with them and for them or while you have a drivers license & car registration to drive/journey-with a motor vehicle, bus, truck, van, scooter, train, etc, on the their dead-world bitumen, tar, concrete, traversing through their dead world concrete skyscrapers, shopping centers and suburbs with 22/33 degree pitched Egyptian pyramid dwelling rooftops or while you are using their digital computer generated 0's, 1's and decimal points to perform commerce with their credit cards, bank accounts and fictional plastic or paper "iou" dollars..... etc, etc.....??????

If we are going to be careful not to be drawn into their "group think/speak/live" mind/brain control why are we still doing it here and now???

Look, we know that you know all this shit from all angles and that you have pure and sincere intentions, etc, BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT HERE AND NOW AND WHAT IS EVERYONE ELSE DOING ABOUT IT HERE AND NOW? When does the hypocrisy come to an end? We are already ALL guilty and can't be anymore guilty than what we already are, so when does the hypocrisy end Brett? We are already creating our enslavement to "The System" and to whatever other version of it as it takes more and more shape and that is because we are already GLUED to "The System" with NO WAY OUT.

We can sit there and say "but lets be careful of not being drawn into group speak mind control which directs all efforts to escape the system back into the system itself before one even realises its happened." BUT the fact is YOU/WE/US ARE ALREADY DOING IT, being hypocrites contradicting everything you/we/us live, feel, perceive, talk and stand for. You/We/Us are already going AGAINST everything you/we/us live, feel, perceive, talk and stand for.

Now, this MAN will back off now because this MAN sees that it is TRAUMA that has us be stuck and compromised and now reverts to sharing the REMEDY to get us out of this TRAUMA based condition.

What are we waiting for????????????????

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

"The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

21 June at 10:55

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Arthur Cristian

From Bare Dirt To Abundance - A Year In The Life Of The Love For Life Food Forest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

21 June at 11:00

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Justin White

The developer of Permaculture, Bill Mollison is the complete antithesis of elite agenda driven sustainability movement. He was ignored by the establishment but his ideas were welcomed on a grass roots level by people that could see how beneficial Permaculture could be. I suggest people stop reacting to words and try and understand the essence of the message. If people cannot see the difference between this and agenda 21 I worry about their discernment abilities fullstop.

21 June at 13:55

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Arthur Cristian

Well said Justin. Just for your interest, back in 1978/79/80 Bill Mollison came and went from a community project Arthur was involved with up in the Snowy Mountains of Victoria, in an area called W-Tee/Gelantipy (north of Buchan and Bairnsdale), which runs along the Snowy River. Arthur got to know Bill and some of his mates from Tasmania as he lived/stayed there, on and off, helping the community get started with his Permaculture dream. This was all going on back in the very early pioneering days of Permaculture. Arthur left the region/community during 1981.

21 June at 15:38

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Arthur Cristian

Brett Anderson

Talk about blowing things out of proportion Arthur. I bet a decade or two ago we didn't hear every 5 minutes some shit about sustainable communities and 'smart meters', and hey, lets start talking about Smart Growth, environmental footprints, Greenways, and a host of similar buzz words being pushed by the fake environmentalist talking heads right now. At the end of the day Arthur I'm not having a go at your work or what you are doing, I was simply stating in a round about way that I'm sick to my back teeth of hearing the fucking buzz words of the sinister eugenic agenda all around me and I for one wouldn't think to use the same type of wording in any information I thought about presenting. But hey, its your fb wall and you're right but I was merely presenting an opinion when I made my brief comment initially, not sure how many times I have to explain that to be honest.

21 June at 16:29

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Arthur Cristian

Thoughts are as nothing unless we give them life. When do we start giving life to the dream (thoughts) of our collective freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance...... etc, for all.... Why instead do we keep giving life to "The System" which we do by our compliance to it and our slavery for it which absorbs almost all of our waking life, which makes all our children be brainwashed-educated slaves and binds us all under the FORCE of "The System" as those grown up educated compliant slaves throughout all of our waking life............ THUS FAR? Between 2006 & 2009 Arthur gave up ALL "name" contracts to/with "The System" and lives ONLY for this dream of Kindom/Do No Harm Communities. When are other slaves (you are a slave Brett) going to break their shackles to co-create real freedom, a living-sensory paradise, with this rebel? And if not with this rebel, then where and when do you make a stand to start the real turning of the tide of NO SYSTEM?

21 June at 16:29

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Brett Anderson

Great sermon Fiona, still wondering why you went to the trouble though. I wont waste my time explaining my position one more time as it seems pointless as you'll no doubt continue on in the same vein regardless. Good luck with it all, I'm out.

21 June at 16:56

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Arthur Cristian

We love you Brett - that's why we reach out to you mate. Are you sensing this/us? Everything else you have said is not and has not been coming from us. They are not of our intentions forming such character traits as you have painted them. We get it where you are coming from, but are you getting it (sensing) where we are really coming from?

21 June at 17:30

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Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201318155743973

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And Yet Again From Another Facebook Post

Ian Evans

Time for the worlds sheeple to wake up as we don't have much time!!!

25th June 2013

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Arthur Cristian

"Time" is not the issue Ian as it doesn't exist. What is really going on here is reaction to trauma. "The System" and everything of it is trauma based. Refer to our articles and videos fr more on this. GeoEngineering is all trauma based too. Both those behind it and those at the effect of it are all reacting to trauma. As we shared earlier: "Trauma needs to be healed sufficiently in all of us so we can continue progressing fearlessly towards our collective do no harm community/paradise on earth objective. What we've been learning through direct experience over these last 8 years is staggering. The depth of trauma is so extensive that almost all of us don't know how to live without the reaction to trauma, in one form or another, shaping the decision making which forms the outcomes of our lives from sunrise to sunrise. The whole of "The System" is trauma based and is a man-made hell. We are not of hell yet we are so compromised by it. We are determined to inspire MAN out of hell so that Earth is again the living paradise it was dreamt to be. Getting MAN out of hell is a huge team effort.

And a copy of a reply in that post: "In the water of MANS breath where sperm and egg come from we already have all of Paradise in us, as us. Though much of it has been ignored/distracted/corrupted/distorted/suppressed/etc, thanks to trauma (impure insincere thoughts, feelings, actions, dreams that do harm), we are all still completely made out of that heavenly stuff (pure and sincere do no harm thoughts/feelings/actions.dreams).

All you have done was to take full-responsibility to repair whatever you could of the damage done to you because your natural heartfelt connection with paradise is stronger than with the bullshit hell surrounding you. We are all presently struggling through the bullshit of hell's trauma to get back to where we are now. There is still a way to go to have us all living paradise here and now.

Bar doing harm to MAN/Earth/Nature and being conscious of not doing harm there is NOTHING else to learn from HELL. Including our ancestors, if we were not interfered with we would already be living paradise in present-sense. From the instant of conception children are already equipped with all the tools for co-creating and expanding paradise all-around. The more we start remembering who we really are the faster we can accelerate the process of co-creating Kindoms/Do No Harm Communities/Tribes/Villages and until we make this happen in large scales between us as a gift for all of MAN (us) we will continue suffering from the consequences of giving our life to Hell ("The System") causing hell to bind us all even more closer to hell as in-divide-u-all-s (individuals) with no way out.

Until we have all worked our arses off "day-after-day" to create a living paradise we will never be able to have that "private" space of love where we can each uniquely dream to create the original MAN we are at our core. We've first got to get rid of hell from all around us, from out of the lives of everyone around us and ONLY then can we start to live paradise again. Until we've made this happen nothing will change our bonds with hell. In fact, those who don't take full-responsibility to get rid of hell won't make it as hell will have consumed them as part of the collective spiritual suicide of MANS fall into it.

This post we put up yesterday on Arthur's FB wall "Raymond Karczewski posted this comment in a debate on Nigel Beckwith's Facebook wall..." goes into this subject more deeply and as you read the full extent of the debate we had with Raymond Karczewski we can see/sense what has to be done.

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

19 hours ago

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Ian Evans

"Time" is not the issue Ian as it doesn't exist. Yes, I'm kinda looking into that one at the minute. A preconception we have invented, as a kind of measuring to map out our action to give them some validity perhaps?

14 hours ago

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Arthur Cristian

"Time Codes" makes trauma based images "self fulfilling" (self-creating) which can't be done if they are not set to a "time code". We project time-coded images from a past we're not letting go of into a future we're not letting go of causing the "story-telling" of the trauma to be be re-experienced over and over again here and now in present-sense where we've not been letting go of them.

That's what trauma does to us.

Everything about "The System" is trauma based. All "The System" education is trauma based, conditioning/brainwashing us to "time-codes" so we can be locked into them. Then we are easy to be manipulated causing us to comply down-the-line whenever however............i.e....... police officer getting out of the car with lights flashing coming over to you armed with baton, taser, gun, hand-cuffs, penalty infringement notice booklet, etc... Aaaaahhhhhhhh the power of non-sensory images rooted to a time-code = trauma.

These time-coded stories of trauma forms the sub-conscious = memory - which is just an echo of a trauma (non-sensory-image) bouncing to and fro between your ears.

Trauma is a vicious circle.

How many people do you know who are free of enslavement to trauma?

Being trained/conditioned to "Time Codes" causes us to set trauma into motion so that we can re-experience its harmful-suffering-story over and over again even though nothing is really going on in present-sense,........ the time-code of the trauma-story is rooted in the past of "long-ago".

"I have to go to work to keep a roof over my head, get my kids through school, put food on the table, pay the mortgage, pay the bills, etc..... and if I don't" ......... TRAUMA REACTION IS ON BIG-TIME NOW - RED LIGHT IS FLASHING EVEN BRIGHTER even though its always been flashing since being trapped to this time-code rooted in trauma. "I better keep getting up each day and go to work in "The System" as a good little compliant slave.

When a child falls over and hurts themselves it's best to ignore their pain by not reacting to the pain the child is experiencing in those moments and instead provide them with a remedy that helps them to move forward without dwelling on the story of the pain. Have watched many children ready to burst into tears but pull out of it at the last moment when they realise/sense there is no attention-seeking payoff in it for them coming from those around them. They just move on. This is what nature does to. Life is for the living. The System," is not for the living.

A lie cannot be created without a "time code". Are you aware of this? All lies are rooted in "time codes".

There is so much more to this and we explain this in some of the Love For Life videos we've been posting and in some of the Love For Life articles too.

9 hours ago

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Ian Evans

Interesting Arthur.

8 hours ago

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Arthur Cristian

As we posted "yesterday" (yesterday doesn't exist ---- LOL).....

Trauma needs to be healed sufficiently in all of us so we can continue progressing fearlessly towards our collective do no harm community/paradise on earth objective. What we've been learning through direct experience over these last 8 years is staggering. The depth of trauma is so extensive that almost all of us don't know how to live without the reaction to trauma, in one form or another, shaping the decision making which forms the outcomes of our lives from sunrise to sunrise. The whole of "The System" is trauma based and is a man-made hell. We are not of hell yet we are so compromised by it. We are determined to inspire MAN out of hell so that Earth is again the living paradise it was dreamt to be. Getting MAN out of hell is a huge team effort.

8 hours ago

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Arthur Cristian

https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201337743873664

8 hours ago

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Arthur Cristian

https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201360932293360

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Arthur Cristian

Which links to this post

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

Suggest contemplating on the info shared in this lengthy debate (a final installment still to come from us, possibly by early next week. It will be posted on Arthur's FB wall.)

8 hours ago

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Arthur Cristian

SYSTEM LIFE

If someone hurts us, we feel the trauma of that hurt, of that intention that has been imposed upon us. The trauma that reverberates in us is not of our making. What is of our making, what we do have control over, is our reaction to that trauma. Do we allow it to possess us, living our lives out of it, or do we move on from the trauma, healing our bodies and brains/senses, so that we can let go of the trauma and get on with our lives? The same applies with "System" thought control or the IMAGE-POWER another MAN has over us. Most of us are spellbound by the re-presentation of thoughts, ideas, images made up by other men and women, none of them uniquely created by us, having us trapped in the perpetual reaction of a vicious cycle mirroring the gruesome, pounding repetition of our system education, going over and over and over the constructs and concepts of "The System" in their alphabet languages so that they become habit. But these constructs and concepts are not us - they are the trauma of a SYSTEM LIFE that has been forced upon us, that we are compelled to react to, making us robots as we perform the clockwork of the programming of system life. We are no longer MAN, we are SYSTEM LIFE.

"The System" of men and women who live for and follow its instruction forces trauma upon us but it is up to us how we react to that trauma so then you could call it "trauma created from "within"", the "within" being just the echo of a residual memory of harm. But, the fact is, if a man rapes you, he is forcing trauma upon you, even though you have a choice how to react to this trauma. However, we recognise the wholeness of life and even though each aspect of sensory life, inanimate or not, tiny or not, is unique and original, we sense that there is still no separation of life which means that any trauma forced upon any aspect of life is trauma for all of life that has to be healed by all of life. It is trauma that gives us (MAN) the compelling-emotion of separation, disconnection from life that is Nature/Earth/MAN.

The reaction to harm upon sensory LIFE/MAN causes the illusion of separation as MAN reacts to the effect of trauma upon MANS life. It is this illusion which "The System" is constructed out of........ ALL OF IT IS TRAUMA BASED!

Re-Presenting "intellectual property" that are thoughts, ideas, images, made up by other men and women telling you how to think (react), feel (react) and act (re-act), is clear evidence of the effect of trauma and its purpose designed by the intender.

Where can innocent children, not exposed to "The System" or to anyone exposed to its brainwashing education, go anywhere in nature to learn about trauma, with its illusion of separation, without anyone (MAN) having to explain it to them or force them to experience it?

From our perspective, the best thing we can learn from the damage caused by "The System" is how not to repeat the damage. That is its only real benefit. There is nothing else to learn because all the empathy, compassion, strength, etc, we feel we have learned from the damage are actually qualities we naturally possess but which have been crushed out of us by our SYSTEM LIFE. We are struggling to get back what we already have! Let's create lives for those around us so that they don't have to be crushed. It does help to get off the grinding roundabout of our SYSTEM LIFE stories of pain, suffering and brainwashing because they do not free us.

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8369

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Arthur Cristian

Govern-MEN-t

When we live for and focus on Govern-Men-t we continue to support the enslavement of MAN under government. When we live for and focus on Kindoms of Food Forests we continue to support the freedom of MAN. It was when MAN left Food Forests of Kindoms that MAN became a slave under government. Food Forests sets MAN free because we are no longer under the Image-Power of another MAN telling us how to think, feel and act.

Each of us provided with the full-responsibility for caretaking of a Food Forest allows us to be unique and original MAN because we have created unique and original thoughts inspired by nature all around us - that is ALL that we know. There is no other MAN educating us to be under their IMAGE-POWER.

What now stands before all of us is the choice of a "SYSTEM to live for; we either live for a man-made system of govern-men-t or we live for a natural system of Food Forest Kindoms. With the choice of government we give up our power to be under limited liability; living on land is now controlled by others dictating to (educating) us how to be a MAN on land, how to think, feel and act as a hue-MAN in their world, under their IMAGE-POWER. We have given up our "rights" to be free - we are no longer unique and original MAN. With the choice of Food Forest Kindoms we live by FULL-Responsibility to do no harm to Food Forests so that we do no harm to MAN living in those Food Forest Kindoms. We live for the co-creation of Food Forest Kindoms that is a team effort of MAN recreating Food Forest Kindoms to set each of us free to live by full-responsibility for everything we think, feel and do.

Kindom is a team effort where the best of land is for the benefit of all of our tribe/Kindom/village/community to enjoy and all other "lesser" land is turned into hectares (2.5 acres is more than enough space of land for each family to take responsibility for - 1/3 for home, 1/3 for gardens of space and 1/3 for a food forest joining all other food forests of their Kindom). With Kindoms, we help each other build our shelters/homes and gardens so that we can all be set free from being under govern-MEN-t forevermore.

For more on Food Forest Kindoms read "The Steps Of Kindom" and "The Spell Is Broken".

Links can be found here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8369

All the best
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

8 hours ago

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Arthur Cristian

Water Of Our Breath

Everything going on about Chemtrails, HAARP, etc, is all about the INTENTION to break/disrupt PRESENT-SENSE connection with all our ORIGINAL (MANS) ancestors,

to break/disrupt PRESENT-SENSE connection with ORIGINAL dreams of life set into motion by ORIGINAL ancestors (living co-creators) that we all are (MAN/descendants are their ORIGINAL living-sensory-dreams set into motion)

and to break/disrupt PRESENT-SENSE connection with all ORIGINAL sensory life forms, inanimate or not, so that we cannot learn about who we really are (our ORIGINALITY), what we are really part of (our ORIGINALITY) and what is our true purpose (our ORIGINALITY).

The Freemasonic/Satanic World is doing everything possible to stop us remembering who we really are (our ORIGINS) because, when we do, we stop setting "The System" (their fantasy "alien" world - not of our ORIGINS), and everything of it, into motion, meaning, we are no longer slaves to their non-sensory (false idol) images (this alien gobbledygook/martian-talk world not of our ORIGIN).

We are creating ORIGINAL water every "time" we breathe out (ORIGINAL breath). All our (MANS) ORIGINAL dreams, intentions, thoughts & ideas are embodied/encoded in the ORIGINAL water of our breath (our ORIGIN) and there these images remain in present-sense forevermore (ORIGINAL) unless we destroy/corrupt the water of our breath (our ORIGINS)....... enter in Chemtrails, HAARP, etc.

The water of our breath embodies the dreams of our ORIGINAL ancestor who created the ORIGINAL dream of life, who created the ORIGINAL mountains, the valleys, the trees, the birds, the insects, etc.... EVERYTHING of the dream of life (IS ORIGINAL).

Everything of the sensory dream of life is of MANS ORIGINAL dreaming. As we wander through the forests and explore the beauty of nature in all its incredible forms, what we are experiencing is the ORIGIN-ALL dreams, the creations of our ORIGINAL ancestors set into motion.

When we observe a bird, we are observing the creation of the dream of our ORIGINAL ancestor. That dream had a purpose for the dream of life, for nature. We have all been hijacked through distraction and thought control to create non-origin/non-original dreams that serve "The System" (nothing original here). We set these non-original dreams into motion and create "The System" hell we live in today.

We do not realise the power of our ORIGINAL ancestors before they fell (into non-original dreams/thoughts), the power to create that we all have but that we have forgotten. This power is in our ORIGINAL DNA, which is the ORIGINAL DNA of ORIGINAL MAN (our origins) sustained in present sense in the ORIGINAL water of MAN's ORIGINAL breath, the power and the purpose of living creator that is the ORIGINAL dream of life that is nature.

ORIGINAL MAN IS PRESENT SENSE (living-sensory consciousness = LIFE/Nature/Earth). There is no lineal (time-code) images here as they are not of our ORIGIN.

See link: Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness A Facebook Debate With Arthur &Fiona Cristian

Light is Water - Sound is Water - Smell is Water - Sight is Water - Touch is Water - Feel is Water - Taste is Water - Hear is Water - Without Water No Sense Can Be Experienced - Can't Be Thought or Felt or Acted on.

To us, everything (all thoughts/images we think and feel) is man-made and its done through the water of our breath that we share and co-create life with and which can also be severely compromised by our brothers/sisters turning against each other (us), thus corrupting the water of our life (breath) with distorted, impure, insincere, intentions that are non-sensory thoughts/images = demons, apparitions, phantoms, ghosts, et's, aliens, higher beings, gods, divine angels with wings, etc, etc.

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

In present-sense, we are, MAN IS, living creator Tim - we co-create and breathe life with the ORIGINAL breath of living-creator. MAN is the ONLY one present with the presence of LIFE, all else are MAN-made images that are non-sensory apparitions, ghosts, phantoms, demons, etc, set into motion by MAN. Life (MAN) maketh the creator of Life (MAN). Who is there to think, feel and experience Life if MAN did not exist? All thoughts/images of the past and future requires MAN to exist in present-sense to think, feel and experience them. Without MAN, all thoughts of the past and the future cannot be thought or felt. All thoughts of the past are MANS making as are all thoughts of the future are MANS making too. Every thought/image we (MAN) experience can only be experienced in present sense where all of MANS thoughts/images were created and set into motion. All of MAN that ever was and ever will be is who we really are and at the effect of, here and now, in present-sense. The buck stops with us. Through the water of our breath and our intentions set into motion through our breath, we are creating our collective experience and are either rejoicing in elation or suffering terribly.

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

8 hours ago

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Ian Evans

Thank you for the links Arthur, I am going to go through them over the next few days

7 hours ago

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Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201390975564719

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The Cristian Family November 2006

Love For Life Links

Below are mostly recent links to Love For Life, videos, articles, songs, debates/discussions and podcasts.

All videos are embedded below, just scroll down to find them.

They contain a vast amount of insights for you to contemplate on.

It's best you do not believe in anything we say and instead use your brain/senses to scrutinise all information and go where the logic of truth takes you.

Links to all other videos, etc, can be found here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

Background information about us, can be found by scrolling down the Love For Life website Quick User Guide: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608

All the best to you and your family
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

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QUICK INTRODUCTION INTO
THE LOVE FOR LIFE INSIGHTS

Check out the Food Forest we created in a very short period of time.
We demonstrate how to grow lots of organic food in small spaces quickly.

"From Bare Dirt To Abundance"
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

A Spell Master At Work
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
21st April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8401

Turning Away From The Reflection
Of MANS Looking Glass

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
30th April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8404

Frank O'Collins, His Ucadia
And One-Heaven.org
Worships "The System"
That Is The Beast And Is Hell

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
30th April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8407

Comment About The Video
"Satanic Ritual Child Sacrifices Exposed"

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
12th October 2011
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8232
http://youtu.be/-jTdc04ODU4

Ben Lowrey Interviews Arthur Cristian
Love For Life - 8th February 2012
95 Minutes 28 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH25tucSZSo

The Dream Of Life Part 6 - Under The Spell Of Intellectual Property
Arthur Cristian - 51 Minutes 52 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMK7CkU1ih8

The "Name" Is The Mark Of The Beast The Strawman
Identifying Your Slave Status In "The System"

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
5th February 2012 - 56 Minutes 25 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdOag66v7uo

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
27th February 2013 onwards...
Part One: http://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao
Part Two: http://youtu.be/tbybeOWZ-Bc
Part Three: http://youtu.be/yOWoxH-HbVw
Part Four: coming
Part Five: coming

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

"The Steps Of Kindom"
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
2006 to 2007 - Updated/Revised 2011
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

Water Is The Life Of MANS Consciousness (Breath)
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 8th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8350
Part One: http://youtu.be/4ze66_33wxM - 70 Minutes 5 Seconds
Part Two: http://youtu.be/43gIi-sjxJc - 81 Minutes 13 Seconds
Part Three: http://youtu.be/oooY6W63K-M - 70 Minutes 18 Seconds
Part Four: coming

Also check out
The Dream Of Life Video Series Part 5A, 5B & 5C - System Science Is Fraud And The Timeline Of Chaos
All links provided below in the video section.

More videos coming shortly:

LINKS

Link To Find A List Of All
Articles, Debates, Discussions, Videos & Podcasts
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian

http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

BACKGROUND

Macquarie Bank
To learn what happened with Macquarie Bank from 2005 onwards go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5

The Cristian Family
To explore what happened since March 2005 to change our lives and fill us with so many inspiring insights
can be found by scrolling down through this webpage: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608
The disclaimers will fill you in even more.

Extensive Research Library
Over 11,000 individual articles, research documents, podcasts, videos, discussions/debates, etc,
are contained within the Extensive Research Library: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/82
Well over 100 million browsers have visited the website since December 2006.

Examples Of Many:

Astronomy - Geocentricity - Heliocentricity - Does The Earth Go Around The Sun Or Does The Sun Go Around The Earth?
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3455

Dinosaurs - Are They Still Amongst Us? Evidence Says They Are
Dinosaurs: Science Or Science Fiction by David Wozney
Dinosaur DECEPTION! Dinosaurs Never Existed! Dinosaur Fossils Are A Hoax

http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3457

Raw Food - Living Food - Vegetarian Websites - Recipes - Lots Of Information On Why A Living Food Diet
This link provides embedded videos created by Gary Yourofsky
and a documentary "A Delicate Balance - The Truth" created by Aaron Schiebner.
He is the grandson of Dr Vera Scheibner, a very well-known anti-vaccine campaigner.
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5068

Facebook


We also post lots of information including Love For Life debates/discussions on Facebook.
As examples of many, links to some of these debates/discussions, like Julian Assange, are provided in this email/post.
Links to Arthur's Facebook wall and other Love For Life group pages are also provided below.

SONGS

Song - Save Our Lives - Rough Demo - With Lyrics
Written By Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
August 2007 - 5 Minutes 38 Seconds

Song - Celebrate Death To The Living - Rough Demo - With Lyrics
Written By Hannah Wood & Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
July 2012 - 6 Minutes 30 Seconds

More professionally made Love For Life videos & songs will be posted in the coming months.
We've been on a massive learning curve in almost all areas of the Love For Life work we do.
We basically started as amateurs/novices.

RECENT ARTICLES / DEBATES / DISCUSSIONS

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

Turning Away From The Reflection
Of MANS Looking Glass

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
30th April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8404

Frank O'Collins And His Ucadia
And One-Heaven.org
Worships "The System"
That Is The Beast And Is Hell

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
30th April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8407

Comment About The Video
"Satanic Ritual Child Sacrifices Exposed"

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
12th October 2011
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8232
http://youtu.be/-jTdc04ODU4

A Spell Master At Work
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
21st April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8401

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Incarceration of Dean Clifford
Email Sent To Wayne Swan
Govern(men)t Of Canada
Just(us) Department
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
9th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8349

Difference Between Limited Liability/Responsibility
And Full Liability/Responsibility

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Facebook - 13th July 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8295

Alloidal Rights/Natural Rights Is "Intellectual Property"
The Basis Of "Ownership"

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Facebook - 19th July 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8297

The Deception Of Alphabet Languages
Causing MANS Spiritual Suicide
The True Purpose Behind The Invention
Of Phonetics & Etymology

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 20th July 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8299

The Dual In Duality
Trapped In The Reflection Of 'i" Projection

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 3rd August 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8301

We Are Saying That "Going Within" Or "Going Without"
Is Non-Sense, Is "Intellectual Property",
Is Part Of The "System Science" "Spells"

A Facebook Discussion & Debate
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 8th to 11th August 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8302

Yellow Never Told Us It Was Yellow
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
12th September 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8319

The Non-Sense Obstacles
Of The "Sustainability Movement"
How The "Haves" (Rulers)
Still Want The "Have Nots" (Slaves)

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Facebook - 5th May to 2nd June 2011
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8178

Vortex Of Deactivation And Inactivity
Possible Facebook Espionage
Or Almost Undetectable Hacking

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
24th August 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8316

Julian Assange - Wikileaks
Another Of The Many "Good Guys" Coming Out
Of The Freemasonic/Satanic Production Line
With The Intention To Lead The Duped Sheeple
Into Entering The New World Order

A Facebook Discussion
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
Starting 27th August 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8347

Example: A4 page/Fax Sent To Gatton Court House Qld
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
15th December 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8346

REMEDY

Links to "The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304
or
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8256
or
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5788

Link to "The Steps Of Kindom Background"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8305

VIDEOS

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
27th February 2013 onwards.....
Part One: http://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao

Part Two: http://youtu.be/tbybeOWZ-Bc

Part Three: http://youtu.be/yOWoxH-HbVw

Part Four: coming
Part Five: coming

"From Bare Dirt To Abundance"
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8352

Love For Life Kindom Garden Bowral
Created By 18 Year Old Aidan

5th December 2012
4 Minutes 27 Seconds
http://youtu.be/eJQTSZk3kmQ
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8344

Ben Lowrey Interviews Arthur Cristian
Love For Life - 8th February 2012

95 Minutes 28 Seconds

The "Name" Is The Mark Of The Beast The Strawman
Identifying Your Slave Status In "The System"

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
5th February 2012 - 56 Minutes 25 Seconds

The Dream Of Life Part 6 - Under The Spell Of Intellectual Property
Arthur Cristian - 51 Minutes 52 Seconds

Water Is The Life Of MANS Consciousness (Breath)
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 8th February 2013
Part One: http://youtu.be/4ze66_33wxM - 70 Minutes 5 Seconds

Part Two: http://youtu.be/43gIi-sjxJc - 81 Minutes 13 Seconds

Part Three : http://youtu.be/oooY6W63K-M - 70 Minutes 18 Seconds

http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8350
Part Four: coming

The Dream Of Life - Part 5A - System Science Is Fraud And The Timeline Of Chaos
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - 57 Minutes 35 Seconds

The Dream Of Life - Part 5B - System Science Is Fraud And The Timeline Of Chaos
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - 67 Minutes 26 Seconds

The Dream Of Life - Part 5C - System Science Is Fraud And The Timeline Of Chaos
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - 67 Minutes 25 Seconds

The Dream Of Life - Part 5D - Images Of Deception
The Intelligence Agents Amongst Us
"We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us"

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - 44 Minutes 53 Seconds

The Dream Of Life - Part One
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
62 Minutes 47 Seconds

The Dream Of Life - Part Two
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
83 Minutes 47 Seconds

The Dream Of Life - Part Three
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
91 Minutes 10 Seconds

The Dream Of Life - Part Four
Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
57 Minutes 30 Seconds

Key To Kindom - Co-Creation Of Do No Harm Communities
Causing A Mass Exodus From "The System"

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - February 2011
24 Minutes 48 Seconds

Dream Of Life - Kindom Garden Update
4th February 2012 - Love For Life
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
17 Minutes 16 Seconds

Once Upon A Time by Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
Short Stories Recorded Mid 2009
8 Minutes 38 Seconds

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The Cristian Family November 2006

We Stand For NO SYSTEM

Kindom (Do No Harm Communities) is the dream for freedom, but it is the dream for the freedom of those around us who also live the dream of freedom, because it is in living for the freedom of others that we get our freedom. When we live for the dreams of Kindom of those around us, we live life as a gift because we live for (dedicate our lives to) their dream of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, just as they live for our Kindom dreams too. This is true co-creation (cooperation) with no attack on the uniqueness of each of us. When we live this way, we have no need for any man-made system - everything/everyone has already been taken care of by our love for life.

Just as we do not have to jump 10 feet across the room to grab our next breath, neither do we have to worry about food, water and shelter because it has all been taken care of as we each co-create Kindoms/Kin-Domains for everyone. Now everybody and everything of the dream of life that is Kindom/Paradise is free (has been set free once again). The issue is greed and selfishness, power and control trips, arrogance, ignorance, being fed many many lies and being traumatised. The issue is not overpopulation - there is more than enough land available for every family to have a hectare (2.5 acres Kin-Domain) to care for. The land of Australia can provide a Kin-Domain for every family across Earth, each with a food forest, clean fresh drinking water and plenty of space for building natural do no harm habitats and with plenty of land left over.

Everyone must have the freedom to take full-responsibility for their lives, for the water they drink, the food they eat and for their shelter. Currently, "The System" forces everyone to give up taking full-responsibility so that we become grown up children accustomed to sucking on the nipples of "The System" corporations for everything, having to use money to get by and to follow the rules of money because we are not co-creating freedom, peace, truth, joy and abundance for each other. Money only leads to haves and have nots and all the abuse, manipulation and distractions that we are subjected to as slaves to money.

When we give up living for other's Kindom dreams, we start creating hell ("The System") all around us because we become self-centred - now it's all about "my freedom","my money", "my land", "my belief", "my saviour", "mine", "mine","mine", "i","i", "i", "own", "own", "own", etc. To protect what we claim we own requires a man-made system with FORCE to protect those self-centred claims. This is ALL trauma based and all story-telling (brainwashing/braindirtying).

NO SYSTEM = KINDOM/DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES
NO SYSTEM = KINDOM/DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES photo Kindom_zpsa6d24e8a.jpg

Our true freedom comes when we set our thoughts of freedom into motion so that we live freedom rather than just talking and thinking about it while we still slave for "The System". Kindom will not happen while we meditate for hours in the bush or do yoga retreats or wait for Jesus or follow the processes of the OPPT (One People's Public Trust now called One People). This is not freedom because we are not living freedom because we are living the story-telling of Jesus or Zeitgeist or The Secret or Thrive or One Earth/Consciousness/People.

Living Kindom is very, very hard work as we set about repairing the damage to MAN/Earth/Nature that we are ALL responsible for but the burden becomes lighter the more of us put our life-energy into the dream of returning Earth to Paradise. Day-after-day, we all have to work our arses off until Kindom is all around us (MAN) once again. This is the price we pay to set each other free on a piece of land (Kin-Domain), so that no one is under the image-power (education/brainwashing/story-telling) of another MAN anymore and so that everyone can have their space of love to create and live their unique, do no harm dreams. This only happens once we have the Kindoms set up so that everyone is provided for.

Once we re-create the food forests, whether on land or in the suburbs, we can re-claim our freedom, breaking the strangle-hold of "The System" because we are no longer reliant on its services and benefits and no longer turning each other into slaves of "The System", cogs in the wheels of "The System" machine. If we don't put the effort in to set everyone and everything free all around us then we still live in HELL ("The System"). The key is to live for everyone else's freedom so that we can have it too.

From Bare Dirt To Abundance
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

From Bare Dirt To Abundance Part Two A
5th November 2014
http://youtu.be/TPTPn8tgcPI
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8545

From Bare Dirt To Abundance Part Two B
Coming Shortly

We live for NO SYSTEM. We do not lose anything by not having a man-made system and, in fact, we gain. We gain our freedom and we gain abundance. Let go of the fear.

The Cristian Family November 2006

A Collection Of Various Love For Life Posts
Providing The Big Picture We See

Sequential Order

We ask you to NOT believe anything we say/share and instead use scrutiny like an intense blow torch and go where the logic of truth/sense takes you. This is very, very important. Put everything you believe up to the test of scrutiny to see how it stacks up. If you are true to your heart/senses and go where the logic of truth/sense takes you will find that NO belief, etc, will stand up to the test of scrutiny. They just do not stack up because they are lies/fraud.

After you have watched and read all the material and any questions are left unanswered, send us your landline number and we will use the internet phone as a free unlimited call. We are on Sydney NSW Australia time. Best times for us to chat are between 11.00am and 6.00pm.

It is critical that you fully comprehend Image Power, "Spelling", Trauma, Reaction To Trauma, Curses, Processing Curses, Full-Responsibility/Liability, Limited Liability/Responsibility (passing-the-back), Slavery, Senses/Sense vs Non-Sense/Senses, Re-Presenting Intellectual Property such as but not limited to "Name", Storytelling/Storytellers, Duality, Black-Magic, Belief, Lies, "i", All Seeing "i" (eye), etc..... These themes and others are covered over and over and over again.

If you do not comprehend these insights and are unable to use your senses to sense your way through all the non-sense/non-sensory-images that enslave MAN under their image power (darkness = "The System" = Hell), men and women will remain deeply trapped under a terrible state of trauma. Our intention is to inspire you to remedy by showing you how to move away from reacting to trauma in all its nefarious and devious forms.

His-Story/Her-Story (History)
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
2005-2007 - Re-posted July 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8529

The Dream Of Life Part 6
Under The Spell Of Intellectual Property

Arthur Cristian - 51 Minutes 52 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMK7CkU1ih8

Introduction To Kindom Video
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
6th March 2015
https://youtu.be/7SspPm9wRgo

Dancing With Magic (Lies)
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Videos, Articles, Comments
And Pending E-Book
Love Fort Life
September 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8575

Dancing With Magic Part One
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
5th September 2015
https://youtu.be/hx7qJ7r2OS4

Dancing With Magic Part Two
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
12th September 2015
https://youtu.be/b_KuEFdKmnA

Dancing With Magic Part Three
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
13th September 2015
https://youtu.be/9pJc1NfnAcI

Dancing With Magic (Lies) Part Four:
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
16th September 2015
https://youtu.be/kSVURGwm1Go

The Dark Side Of The Moon
The Background To "The System"

Arthur & Fiona Cristian Interviewed By
Jahnick Leaunier, The Tru-Mon Show
24th August 2016
Love For Life - 142 Minutes
https://youtu.be/C5TViw1NLr4

Illumination IS Definition
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
26th to 29th January 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8577

The "Name" Is The Mark Of The Beast
The Strawman Identifying
Your Slave Status In "The System"

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
5th February 2012 - 56 Minutes 25 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdOag66v7uo

IMAGE POWER
The Nefarious Tactics Used
To Disguise Truth And Distract Us
From Remedy

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
24th January 2014
This post contains many recent Facebook comments
and email replies which collectively provides a big picture
into exposing the deception behind IMAGE POWER.
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8496

The Pull Of E-Motion
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
8th February 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8499

IMAGE POWER
Superb Diamond Range Interviewing
Arthur & Fiona Cristian 4th February 2014
http://youtu.be/qFnuuw3kLog
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8501

Trauma Induced Fantasy
July 2013 Interview With
Jeanice Barcelo And Arthur & Fiona Cristian
http://youtu.be/CZVj-ddUoZw
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8500

Processing Curses
A Lie Is A Curse
Liars Process Curses

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
26th February 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8503

How The System Is Really Constructed
Bouncing Back Curses Upon Curse Makers
To Stop Harm Forevermore

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
27th February 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8504

Slave To A Name
Parts One, Two, Three, Four,
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd to 6th March 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8505

Educated Slaves
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
20th March 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8506

The Only Path To Freedom
Beware The False Steps

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 2nd April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8508

Free-Dumb For All
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 5th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8510

Revoking The Ego
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 8th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8511

How MAN Commits Spiritual Suicide
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life - 3rd April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8509

How To Detect Intel Operatives Working
For The New World Order Agenda
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 10th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8512

How The Psyop Program & Intel Networks
Are Messing With Your Head +
His-Story/Her-Story

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8513

Godzilla Through The Looking Glass
Destroyed By Name"

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 20th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8514

What It's Going To Take
To Co-Create Freedom Forevermore

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 22nd April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8514

Falling For Fairy Stories
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 24th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8514

A Disassociation From The Work
Of Kate of Gaia

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 17th May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8517

Separating The Wheat From The Chaff
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 22nd May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8516

Revolution Or Revolution
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 25th May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8520

Routing Out Psyop Programs
Routs Out Intel Operatives
Exposing Max Igan's Psyop Program

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 31st May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8524

The Psyop Program Scam
Behind Religion Belief Faith
& Associated Opinion

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
11th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8525

Another Delusion
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
11th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8526

A World Of Words Is A World Of Lies
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
13th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8527

E-MAN
The Name Of The Beast Is MAN

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 9th May 2014
Includes Mountain MAN Arrested
Facebook Discussion About "Name"
Uploaded 25th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8528

E-Motion
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 13th August 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8537

Discussion With Brother Gregory
Clearly Demonstrating Christianity
Is Part Of The Problem
And Not The Solution

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
Between the 12th May 2014 and 30th August 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8542

The Psyop Program Behind Free Food
And Permaculture

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
29th October 2014
Facebook Discussion With Unconditional Love Moon
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8544

Head So Strong
Music and Vocals Arthur Cristian
Backing Vocals and Vocal Effects Arthur Cristian & Hannah Wood
Lyrics Fiona and Arthur Cristian
Written during our spare time between Aug & Oct 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG4UQCTsqwU

The Time Of Trauma That Destroys Us
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
9th November 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8547

The Most Powerful Video On Spirituality
And Happiness FOR SLAVES
Or
How To Accept Slavery And Be Happy About It

Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
6th August 2014
Facebook Discussion About The Work Of Eckhart Tolle
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8548

What Can We Do What Can We See
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
A series of Arthur Cristian Facebook
posts and discussions
between 17th and 21st November 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8552

The Misuse Of Love By Intel Networks
To Create Doubt And Uncertainty
With The Intention To Destroy Love
And Therefore Destroy MAN
(True Freedom, Peace, Joy, Abundance And Truth
For Everyone)

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
26th November 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8554

The Void Of E-GO That Is Spiritual Suicide
The Justification Of Laziness
That Perpetuates System Creature Comforts
Ensuring Our Fall

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
13th December 2014
Massive Update Occurred 14th Dec 2014 3.10pm Sydney Aust time
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8556

Darkness Visible Part One A, B, C, D
The Freemasonic World In Plain Sight
Decoding George Washington Lithographs

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
14th December 2014
Part One A http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8557
Part One B http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8567
Part One C http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8568
Part One D http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8569

Darkness Visible Part Two
Yin And Yang, Duality, Spiritual Suicide
And Frank O'Collins UCADIA / One Heaven

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
14th December 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8558

Darkness Visible Part Three
How The Word Sausage
Re-Presents The New World Order
Boiling Point & Out To Get Us

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
27th December 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8560

Darkness Visible Part Four
Aleister Crowley - Thelema - OTO
And The Black Magic Psychedelia Of The Intellect

Facebook Discussion
4th to 10th January 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8561

Darkness Visible Part Five
Living MAN Fiona Cristian's Standing
+ Decoding Judeo/Judaism

Fiona Cristian & Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
24th January 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8562

Darkness Visible Part Six
The Many Fingers Of The Hidden Hand Appearing
YouTube Community Flagged A Video
Posted To The ArthurLoveForLife YouTube Channel
As Being "Hate Speech"

Fiona Cristian & Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
4th February 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8563

Darkness Visible Part Seven
The Full Responsibility For Setting
True Freedom For All Into Motion
In Present-Sense Forevermore

Fiona Cristian & Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
10th February 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8564

Who We Really Are Does Not End
At The Surface Of Our Skin

Arthur Cristian & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 22nd February 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8565

Introduction To Kindom Video
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
6th March 2015
https://youtu.be/7SspPm9wRgo

The Rot Parts One, Two, Three
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
5th June 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8571

"The Good Guys" And The "Bad Guys"
Working Together To Bring In
The New World Order

Arthur Cristian - 18th July 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8572

Can You Spot The Ego?
Where's Wally? Part One

Compilation of Facebook & Youtube
Insight Posts During Aug/Sept 2015
By Arthur Cristian
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8573

Can You Spot The Ego?
Where's Wally? Part Two

Compilation of Facebook & Youtube
Insight Posts During Aug/Sept 2015
By Arthur Cristian
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8576

Dancing With Magic (Lies)
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Videos, Articles, Comments
And Pending E-Book
Love Fort Life
September 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8575

Dancing With Magic Part One
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
5th September 2015
https://youtu.be/hx7qJ7r2OS4

Dancing With Magic Part Two
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
12th September 2015
https://youtu.be/b_KuEFdKmnA

Dancing With Magic Part Three
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
13th September 2015
https://youtu.be/9pJc1NfnAcI

Dancing With Magic (Lies) Part Four:
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
16th September 2015
https://youtu.be/kSVURGwm1Go

Illumination IS Definition
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
26th to 29th January 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8577

The Satanic Craft Of Inculcation In Practice
Fiona's ACT Supreme Court Affidavit Explaining Inculcation & Illumination
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
4th March 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8578

The Dark Side Of The Moon
The Background To "The System" Part One

Arthur & Fiona Cristian Chatting With
Jahnick Leaunier On The Tru-Mon Show
Love For Life - 24th August 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8583

Eric Dubay's Flat Earth Is A Cult
The Background To The System Part Two

Arthur & Fiona Cristian Chatting With
Jahnick Leaunier On The Tru-Mon Show
Love For Life - 31st August 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8585

To Be Educated Is To Have No Soul
The System Is Soul Destroying
Frederick Malouf & Michael Tellinger's
Contrived Gifting

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
1st September 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8586

New Love For Life Kindom Facebook Group
Started March 2015
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918
Includes 63 Minute
Introduction To Kindom Video
https://youtu.be/7SspPm9wRgo
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
and
Facebook Kindom Group Guidelines
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8566
The Love For Life website home-page provides
the bigger-picture background to the themes
touched on in this video: http://loveforlife.com.au

Crop Circles Are A Massive Hoax
Facebook Discussion On Simon Kawai's Wall
Involving Arthur & Fiona Cristian
31st August 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8470

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
27th February 2013 onwards...
Part One: http://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao
Part Two: http://youtu.be/tbybeOWZ-Bc
Part Three: http://youtu.be/yOWoxH-HbVw

Water Is The Life Of MANS Consciousness (Breath)
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 8th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8350
Part One: http://youtu.be/4ze66_33wxM - 70 Minutes 5 Seconds
Part Two: http://youtu.be/43gIi-sjxJc - 81 Minutes 13 Seconds
Part Three: http://youtu.be/oooY6W63K-M - 70 Minutes 18 Seconds

What Do You Believe On Origins?
Who Said There Was A Beginning?
Who's Truth Do You Accept?
Belief Is A Strange Idea.

Discussion Lyndell, Scott and Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Between March and April 2013
Posted 29th October 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8487

So You Want The Good Bits Of "The System"
But Not The Bad Bits?

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 12th August 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8468

Turning Away From The Reflection
Of MANS Looking Glass

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
30th April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8404

REMEDY

From Bare Dirt To Abundance
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

From Bare Dirt To Abundance Part Two
5th November 2014
http://youtu.be/TPTPn8tgcPI
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8545

From Bare Dirt To Abundance Part Three
7th March 2016
60 Minutes
https://youtu.be/SH9i8ZStzWI

Love For Life Food Forest & Native Garden March 2016
Extension Of The Love For Life Food Forest And Establishment
Of A New Native Garden At The Front Of The Rental Property
In East Bowral - 24th October 2015 to Mid February 2016.
15 Minutes
https://youtu.be/y-Uz8HmnSIM

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Divine Spark
Facebook Discussion With Raymond Karczewski
Arthur & Fiona Cristian & Others
2nd October 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8483

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

The Steps Of Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life 2006/2007
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

To explore these themes in greater detail go here where you can find links to all our Love For Life comments, articles, debates, discussions, videos, podcasts, etc: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Website: http://loveforlife.com.au
Email : action@loveforlife.com.au
Mobile : 0011 61 418 203204 - (0418 203204)
Snail Mail: PO Box 1320 Bowral 2576 NSW Australia
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Links below will kick in when the professionally recorded Love For Life music is released.

SoundCloud : http://soundcloud.com/loveforlife
Nimbit Music : http://www.nimbitmusic.com/loveforlife
Twitter : https://twitter.com/loveforlifemusi
Facebook Music : http://www.facebook.com/loveforlifemusic
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MySpace : http://www.myspace.com/loveforlifemusic
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Peaceful Transition Through Sacrifice And Service

We feel there is an essential peaceful do no harm transition required to get all of MAN back to standing on MANS feet without reliance upon another MAN for water, food, shelter. As it stands everyone in "The System" are highly dependent and reliant on the "group mind-set" that forms "The System" of slaves providing services and benefits for the emotionally addicted slaves to "The System" (and you can put us in the same basket too). The transition is to get MAN back to relying ONLY on nature without 3rd party interlopers, intermeddlers, interceders getting in the way. The transition is a team effort with the foresight for setting all of MAN free down-the-line so that MAN is no longer dependent on slaves and masters providing services, benefits, privileges and exclusivity while being bound to contracts, rituals, procedures, conditions, rules & regulations which compromises MAN severely.

This transition is all about shifting from limited liability/responsibility to full liability/responsibility. This full responsibility is all about caring for our health, nature all around us, clean uncorrupted (pure) water and food, partner/co-creator, children, shelter, animal-friends in partnership, etc. In "The System", we are already together destroying each other - we have to come together to create peace together so that we can all have peace. We cannot live peacefully when we are islands, not taking full responsibility for the lives of those around us until EVERYONE can take full responsibility for their life, which means that EVERYONE is healed of system trauma. In "The System", we all come together to make slaves of each other - now is the moment to come together to set each other free, to live for each other's freedom, peace, joy and abundance. Once we have set each other free, we are free.

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

"The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

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Once we fix these issues, we or our children or our descendants to come, can start focusing on the even bigger picture of getting back to where our ancestors were, as breatharyan's, before they fell into non-sense images to be enslaved by them.

All the best to you and your family
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Cristian Family Declaration

The Cristian family and The Love for Life Campaign are apolitical, non-religious, non-violent, anti weapons, anti drugs (both pharmaceutical and recreational) and anti any ideology that denies the existence of Do No Harm Communities (Kindoms) and suppresses the uniqueness and freedom of all men, women and children.

The Cristian family and our Love For Life work is unaligned to any big business corporation, intelligence agency, government body, "system" law, "system" think tanks, "system" green or environmental movements, religion, cult, sect, society (fraternity, brotherhood, sisterhood, order, club, etc,) secret or not, hidden agenda, law or sovereignty group, occult, esoteric, New Age or Old Age.

The Cristian family supports and promotes the remedy that brings an everlasting peace, freedom, truth, joy, abundance and do no harm for all of life without causing loss of uniqueness or the need for having slaves and rulers. We are not into following the one in front or being shepherds for sheeple. Most importantly, we take full-responsibility for everything we think, feel and do.

The Cristian family are not Christians.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

December 2006

The Cristian Family November 2006

THE CRISTIAN FAMILY PLEDGE

Being of clear brain, heart and intention, we each declare the following to be true:

• We have no intention of ending our own lives.

• We will not tolerate suppression of truth, ideas, freedom, or our work. We stand for freedom of speech.

• We stand together to support others in the expression of truths and freedom to speak out no matter how radical those ideas may seem.

• Standing for freedom takes courage; together we shall be strong in the face of all odds.

• If it is ever claimed that we have committed suicide, encountered an unfortunate accident, died of sickness/disease, disappeared, been institutionalized, or sold out financially or in any other way to self-interested factions, we declare those claims false and fabricated.

• We testify, assert and affirm without reservation, on behalf of all those who have dedicated their lives to the ending of secrecy and the promotion of freedom of thought, ideas and expression that we shall prevail.

• We Do Not Have Multiple Personality Disorders

Arthur Cristian
Fiona Cristian
Jasmin Lily Cristian
Emma Rose Cristian
Frances Hannah Cristian
Xanthe Jane Cristian

15th December 2006 (Edited/Updated 18th September 2011)

The Cristian Family November 2006

Update Regarding The Love For Life
Home Page And Quick User Guide

We are turning the Love for Life Quick User Guide http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 into a blog of all the main insights of our work since March 2005, whether through articles, videos, podcasts or discussions/debates.

As we do not have the time to compile everything we have written into a book, as many have suggested we do, compiling all our most important work into one area of the website is a way of providing easy access to this work so those interested are able to fully comprehend the big picture.

Instead of having to find our different articles, videos, etc, in various parts of the website, it will all be accessible here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385.

Love For Life Videos

As amateurs and posted in the Quick User Guide below the Facebook links, we're currently creating and posting a series of videos called "The Dream Of Life" which covers the ground of all the Love For Life insights. We plan to have the videos completed by December 31st 2012. Once this is behind us, our intention is to create a 2 hour or so video covering the body of this work. All videos are embedded in the quick user guide http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 and uploaded in Arthur's YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ArthurLoveForLife.

Love For Life Music

We have started recording songs, with others, that express the themes of Love For Life. They are now being posted on Arthur's YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ArthurLoveForLife and are embedded in the quick user guide http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608. We have over 100 songs to record. A few rough demos have already been used as the soundtrack on the first "Dream of Life" video.

About Us - Love For Life & The Cristian Family

Also, everything we, the Cristian family, have gone through, from bank fraud and the theft of the family home to death threats and attempts on Arthur's life, is documented in the Quick User Guide too. If you, the reader, are prepared to put the effort in, you will comprehend the extent to which we have all been tricked into becoming slaves, giving up our uniqueness and our full-responsibility for life and destroying everything of life to the point where life is in danger of dying out completely. You will also comprehend the remedy to all this chaos; a remedy that requires only love for life and the determination to do what needs to be done. Though our focus is very strongly on the remedy that creates a world of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance and Do No Harm for all of life without loss of uniqueness or the need for slaves and rulers, we realise that it is vital to comprehend how to get there and what stops us from getting there. This is why there is so much information on the hows and whys of everything going wrong in the world today. We are not into peddling conspiracy theories, we are into routing out all forms of organised crime.

Saturday 26th November 2011

Arthur and Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Website: http://loveforlife.com.au
Email: action@loveforlife.com.au
Mobile: 0011 61 418 203204 - (0418 203204)
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Register To The Love For Life Mailing List: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/09/05/14/mailing-list

1. For The Body Of The Love For Life Work by Arthur and Fiona Cristian

Which Unravels The Reasons For The Chaos, Mayhem and Confusion Being Experienced In The World Today, Explains The Need For "Community Immunity" and Responsibility, and Focuses On The Creation Of Kindoms - Do No Harm, Life-Sustainable Communities (As The Remedy That Heals All Mans Woes) - And How We Can Co-Create Them. For Comments, Articles And Discussions, Go Here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - Also Go Here To See Podcasts And Videos Posted by Arthur & Fiona Cristian: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7309 - The Information Shared Comes From Inspiration, Intuition, Heartfelt-Logic And Information Gathered From Nature And Many Amazing Men And Women Along The Way. It Is Not Found In Any Books Or Channellings, Or Talked About By "Experts". Go Here To Read A Brief Synopsis Of Why We Started Love For Life: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8182

2. For Information About The Ringing Cedars of Russia Series

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1125 and for more on Eco Homes, Villages, Organic and Permaculture Gardening and Life-Sustainability, etc, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3641 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1985 and Mikhail Petrovich Shchetinin - Kin's School - Lycee School at Tekos: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5173

3. For How To Eat A Raw, Living Food Diet,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5068 - LIFE is information. When we distort LIFE and then eat, drink, absorb, think, feel, hear, see, touch, taste, smell and perform these distortions, the information of LIFE, your LIFE, our LIFE, our children's lives, everyone's LIFE, is distorted.

4. To Find A Menu For The Extensive Research Library (over 8,000 items posted embodying over 11,000 documents, pdf's, videos, podcasts, etc)

Which Covers Topics From Health to Chemtrails/Haarp to Brain Control to Archaeology to Astronomy Geocentricity Heliocentricity to Pandemics Bird Flu Swine Flu to Fluoride to Cancer to Free Energy to Global Warming, 9/11, Bali Bombings, Aspartame, MSG, Vaccinations, Aids/HIV, Mercury, New World Order, Satanism, Religions, Cults, Sects, Symbolism, etc, etc, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/82

5. If You Would Like To Read About The Cristian Family NSW Supreme Court Case

(Macquarie Bank/Perpetual Limited Bank Fraud Condoned By Judges, Registrars, Barristers, Lawyers, Politicians, Public Servants, Bureaucrats, Big Business and Media Representatives - A Crime Syndicate/Terrorist Organisation) Which Prompted The Creation Of This Love For Life Website December 2006, And The Shooting And Torture Of Supporters Who Assisted Us In Reclaiming The Family Home, Joe Bryant And His Wife, Both In Their Late 70's, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5 And Read Some Of Our Email Correspondence With Lawyer Paul Kean - Macedone Christie Willis Solari Partners - Miranda Sydney May 17th-June 27th 2006: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7300

6. For The Stories Of Other Victims Of The System,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/australian_stories (If you have a story you would like us to put up, we would love to here from you:
action @ loveforlife.com.au)

7. For Documentation Of Harm Done By The Powers-That-Be And Their Representatives,

Evidence Revealing How Victims Did Not Break The Peace, Caused No Crime or Harm, There Were No Injured Parties. Documenting Incontrovertible Evidence Demonstrating How The Powers That Be (PTB) And Their Lackeys Will Break All The Laws They Are Supposed To Uphold. They Will Kidnap, Intimidate, Terrorise, Rape, Pillage, Plunder And Lie And Take Responsibility For None Of It. All Part Of Their Tactics Of Using Fear And Trauma To Keep Us In Our Place. Relatives Of Those Under Their Radar Are Also Not Safe From Attack And Intimidation. All Starting From A $25 Fine For Not Voting And A $65 Fine For Not Changing A Dog Registration. We Do Not Have Freedom And Can Only Appear To Have Freedom If We Comply. Regardless How Small The Matter The PTB Throw Hundreds Of Thousands Of Dollars Away To Enforce Their Will.... Go Here:
Fiona Cristian Reply To State Debt Recovery Office - Part One to Part Ten - From 17th October 2008 And Still Continuing:
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6319 or
Fiona Cristian Reply To State Debt Recovery Office
Part One: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5742 - From 17th October 2008
Part Two: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6135 - From 18th December 2008
Part Three: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6295 - From 9th January 2009
Part Four: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6296 - From 14th January 2009
Part Five: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6375 - The Sick Puppy - From 20th February 2009
Part Six: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6390 - Police Officers, Sheriff’s Officers, Tow Truck Driver and State Debt Recovery Office Blatantly Ignore the Law To Rape, Pillage and Plunder The Private Property Of Fiona Cristian - From 11th March 2009
Part Seven: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6445 - Affidavit Of Truth - Letter To The Queen + Australia: Fascism is Corporatism - From 30th March 2009
Part Eight: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6652 - The Pirates Auction And The Ghost Of VSL386 - From 4th April 2009
Part Nine: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7073 - Arthur Cristian's Letter To Pru Goward MP - From 15th December 2009
Part Ten: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7500 - Should We Be In Fear Of Those Who Claim To Protect Us? "Roman Cult" Canon Law - Ecclesiastical Deed Poll - The Work Of Frank O'Collins - From 13th October 2010

8. If You Are Interested In Information On Freedom From Statutes, Rule-Of-Law, Free Man/Free Woman, Strawman, "Person" and Admiralty Law (The Law Of Commerce),

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/895 - For Common Law, Democracy, Constitution, Trial By Jury, Fee Simple, etc, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/category/main/law-articles-documents

9. If You Are Interested In Banking and Money Created (Fiat/Credit/Debt/Mortgage/Loan/Overdraft etc) Out-Of-Thin-Air, How Banks Counterfeit Money,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/banks

10. For A List Of All The Latest Posts In The Love For Life Website,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/tracker

11. For Links To Many Hundreds Of Videos, DVDs And Podcasts

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/video_dvd

12. To See The Cristian Family Pledge, Legal and other Disclaimers

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/06/12/05/love-life-legal-disclaimer

13. To Read About How A Representative Of The NSW Jewish Board Of Deputies Had Threatened To Shut Down The Love For Life Website

go here: Part One: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6616 Part Two: THE STEVE JOHNSON REPORT AND VIDEO: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6665 and Part Three: Latest Update On James Von Brunn: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6673

Conscious Love Always
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
action @ loveforlife.com.au
www.loveforlife.com.au
0418 203204 (int: 0011 61 418 203204)
PO Box 1320 Bowral 2576 NSW Australia

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THE CRISTIAN FAMILY SUPPORTS
FREEDOM OF SPEECH - FREEDOM OF THOUGHT

The Cristian Family November 2006

Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009
Updated September 2011

NSW Jewish Board Of Deputies
Has Threatened To Shut Down
The Love For Life Website

No Freedom Of Speech - No Freedom Of Thought

Love For Life does not support harm doing in any shape or form. However, we are supporters of free speech and post articles, documentaries, etc, that represent a wide cross section of ideas. See the Love For Life extensive research library where over 6000 documents, articles and videos are posted: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/82. We clearly see the evidence of the destruction to MAN and the earth that has been caused by ALL religions over the centuries and are therefore not supporters of religions, cults, sects or any group that demands conformity of thought, speech or action, or has rules, regulations or rituals that must be followed. Religions, nationalities and cultural "identities" are formed as a result of the brainwashing we receive from childhood. They are part of the tactics the Establishment uses to keep us all divided from one another and fighting one another.

All religions promote discrimination and division, leading to hatred and even violence and murder. None of them have yet to produce a remedy to all the suffering, poverty, unhappiness and discrimination in the world. If any religion truly had the remedy to all the suffering on earth, there would no longer be any suffering. What have Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, atheism and the New Age done to end the suffering in the world?

Since December 2006, there have been many attempts to take down the Love For Life website. Any attempts have been thwarted by Love For Life supporters inundating the harm-doers with emails, etc, objecting to them taking down the website for a variety of reasons. The trouble makers usually back off when they realise that they can post all their views, arguments, beliefs, etc, in the Love For Life website without censorship or restriction imposed. They get to see that even the Queen, Pope, Prime Minister, President of America, etc, can post all their views without hindrance or sabotage and that we support freedom of speech/thought which means we support the right of all sides to express their views.

Of note, there is a vast amount of information posted in the Love For Life website which we do not agree with but we leave it all up because we refuse to be biased, opinionated or self-centered/self-serving. Of the many thousands of comments posted over the years we have only removed posts containing secret links to commercial advertisements, terrible foul language, threats of violence and death, etc, and attacks on other people's characters that avoid the subject/debate at hand. Besides links to advertisements, we have taken down less than six comments due to the above. We usually leave everything up, all warts and all, even those posts threatening to do terrible things to Fiona, our children, our dogs, our friends, family & supporters, etc.

The Love For Life website has information from all sides on many subjects, whether about Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Law, health, psychology, mind control, vaccination, aspartame, MSG, Chemtrails etc. There are over 11,000 articles, documentaries etc on the website and they are so diverse that we are sure that everyone would be able to find something they loved and something they hated, if they took the time to search. If we removed all the articles hated by everyone, there would probably be nothing left! We are not anti anyone but freedom of speech is freedom of speech and no one should condemn the work of another without taking the time to research the subject themselves. Yes, there are articles by those who have a less-than-rosy-viewpoint of Judaism, but there are also articles on the dark side of Tibetan Buddhism (and it is very dark) for those who are interested in the truth: Tibet - Buddhism - Dalai Lama: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6271 Should the authors of these articles be abused and imprisoned for daring to challenge the widely conceived reputation of Buddhism as being the religion of peace and love and that of the Dalai Lama as a saint, or should those interested be allowed to study the work and come to their own conclusions? The same applies to all the articles, documentaries, etc, about Christianity, Islam, Freemasonry, New World Order, etc.

The Love for Life website also shows how the Rule of Law, the Bar, the Government, the Monarchy, the system of commerce, the local, national and multi/trans-national private corporations, all the courses and careers on offer from our universities, all the educators, scientists, academics and experts, the aristocrats and the Establishment bloodlines have also done NOTHING to end the suffering in the world. The website maps the insanity of a world where there is no help for those in need, just as there was no help available for us when we were victims of terrible bank fraud: "NSW Supreme Court Case - Macquarie Bank/Perpetual Limited vs Fiona Cristian - Victims Of Bank Fraud Condoned By Judges" http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5 (orchestrated, condoned and protected by an international crime syndicate/terrorist organisation of judges, barristers, registrars, lawyers, politicians, banksters, big business representatives, media moguls and other lackeys who, all together, put up a wall of silence despite our trying many, many avenues. After the family home was stolen and business destroyed we were left close to poverty and destitution caring for 4 young daughters. Three years later not much has changed regardless of all our efforts. Where were all the followers of all the religions to help us? Or do we have to be members of those religions to receive help from others involved in them?

The New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies accused us of being anti - Jewish, see: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6616 and http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6665 because we had posted an excerpt from James von Brun's book: Kill the Best Gentiles: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6054 in which he blames Jews for the problems of the world. Obviously this is not our view because of what we have stated above. We do not hate anyone, whatever religion they follow. We are always open to talk to any religious leader or politician and meet with any judge, member of the Bar, experts, academics, educators etc to share the remedy we offer that heals all the divisions between MAN and MAN, and MAN and the EARTH.

Today, a representative of the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies is threatening to close the website down, because they have decided it is anti - Jewish and that we promote racism. What has the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies done to end the suffering in the world? Can they show that they are concerned with the suffering of ALL men, women and children AND ARE SEEN TO BE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT or are they only concerned with Jewish affairs? If so, they, along with all the other religions that only care for their own, are part of the problem, not part of the solution. The man who rang Arthur today was only concerned with Jewish affairs; he was not interested in our intentions or in anybody else, just as most Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Catholics, etc, are only interested in their own. While we separate ourselves into groups, dividing ourselves from others with rules, regulations, rituals, procedures and conditions, we will never solve our problems.

No matter what we in the Western World Civilisation of Commerce have been promised by our politicians, religious leaders, scientists, educators, philosophers, etc, for the past two hundred years, all we have seen is ever-increasing destruction of men, women and children and the earth. None of the so-called experts and leaders we have been taught to rely on are coming up with a solution and none of them are taking full-responsibility for the fact that they can't handle the problem. All religious books talk about end times full of destruction and suffering but why do we have to follow this program when there is an alternative to hatred, mayhem and death? Why are our leaders following the program of destruction and death rather than exploring the alternatives? It seems that any mainstream politician, priest or academic are only interested in supporting the RULES OF THE DIVIDE, that maintain the haves and the have nots. For 200+ years, 99% of the world population have been so trained to pass on their responsibility for themselves, others and the earth, that the 1% of the population that make up the leaders of the rest of us are making all the decisions leading to the destruction of all of us and the earth. Let's not forget the education system that brainwashes the 99% of the population that we are free and have equal rights while, in fact, we are feathering the nests of those at the top.

At the root of all our problems is self-centredness, an unwillingness nurtured by the Establishment that keeps us concerned only with our own needs rather than the needs of others around us and the Earth. Instead of creating and releasing acts of love for those around us as gifts to benefit them and the earth, we take, take and take, until there is nothing left. The whole point of the Love for Life website is to show people the root of all our problems and to share the remedy. The extensive research library is there to attract browsers and to provide access to information not available through mainstream channels. If the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies can, after careful examination of our work, prove that anything we are saying is wrong, we will be happy to accept their proof. If they cannot, and they are still insistent on closing the website down, they will be showing themselves to be traitors to MAN because they are not interested in pursuing any avenue that can end the suffering in the world.

All religions, corporations and organisations that support and maintain the Western World Civilisation of Commerce are part of the problem because our civilisation is a world of haves and have nots, racism, violence, hatred, poverty, sickness, discrimination, abuse, starvation, homelessness, corruption, collusion, vindictiveness, social unrest, arrogance, ignorance, fear, war and chaos. While we support civilisation, we support death and destruction because ALL civilisations that have ever existed are apocalyptic by design.

If we truly want peace on earth and freedom for all, we have to let go of all that which keeps us divided, and come together as MAN, conscious living co-creators of creation. The Love For Life website offers a remedy to the problems we all face in the form of DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3641 For more details see here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - We also highly recommend that everyone read the brilliant Russian books called The Ringing Cedars: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1125 - The Love For Life Website Homepage also provides lots of inspiring remedy based information: http://loveforlife.com.au - If you want to be kept up to date with our work please register to the Love For Life Mailing List here: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/09/05/14/mailing-list. We usually send two postings per month. Presently (September 2011) there are over 7000 registrations reaching over 500,000 readers across Earth. The website now (September 2011) receives up to 12 million hits per month. Since December 2006, over 100 million people have visited the Love For Life website.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur and Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
17th June 2009

The Cristian Family November 2006

Clarification Regarding Our Intentions
Behind The Use Of Donations

The Love For Life website is offered for free without a fee and without any conditions attached. If people are inspired to donate money, then we accept their gift and have provided an avenue for them to support the work we do through Fiona's Paypal or ANZ bank account http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8515. There is no obligation whatsoever to donate and all are equally welcome to our work and to our "time", whether they donate or not. Over the last 9 years, all the Love For Life work has been put out for free and it has often been donations from supporters that have enabled us to renew the domain name, etc, to keep the website going. While some complain that we have an avenue for donations, others complained when we didn't! Either use it or don't - the choice is yours.

Since Love For Life started March 2005 and website December 2006, Arthur has worked 16 hours a day, 7 days a week unpaid for much of this period, putting together the website and sharing insights to wake people up to what has been done to them, whether through the 11,500+ individual articles, videos, podcasts, debates, discussions, pdf's, research documents, etc, found amongst the 8,500+ posts, as well as helping many, many men and women over the phone, and through email, website correspondence, Facebook and YouTube, and creating the Love For Life food forest vege garden and Love For Life music recording studio. This is our life is a gift commitment to serve MAN/Nature/Earth but we are still severely compromised by "The System" and still have to give to Caesar what is claimed to belong to Caesar, which is where the donations help us.

Fiona & Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
21st July 2014