OPPT Is A Scam by Arthur & Fiona Cristian - 21st February 2013 + Podcast: Heather Tucci-Jarraf Answers Why "Self" & Not MAN

The Cristian Family November 2006

OPPT Is A Scam
One Peoples Public Trust


By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
21st February 2013

Note: Links to all discussions we've had with Max Igan can be found here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8359

Max Igan & The Fraud Of The OPPT (One Peoples Public Trust - 17th to 19th February 2013: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8422

OPPT Facebook Discussion Started By Gypsy Rob 20th February 2013: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8421

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit - The Scam Of UCC And CVAC - 27th Feb 2013: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8421

Another Facebook Conversation Between Max Igan And Arthur & Fiona Cristian - 2nd July 2013: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8467

The Continuation Of The Max Igan Saga - 21st August 2013: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8478

OPPT IS A SCAM........

Anyone notice that MAN or man or Man, is not used anywhere in the OPPT Document.

Instead, they use "self".

Can they please bring forward "self" to back their claims that "self" exists.

This is no different to "person" or "mind" or "strawman" or "ego" etc....

IN PRESENT-SENSE THEY DO NOT EXIST.

They are just a reflection, an image of our projection.

They are shadows of "illumined light" = "Intellectual Property".

Notice the word "person" in Blacks Law Dictionary.....

SELF-DEFENCE = In criminal law. The protection of one’s person or property against some injury attempted by another. The right of such protection. An excuse for the use of force in resisting an attack on the person, and especially for killing an assailant.

Link: http://thelawdictionary.org/self-defense

They are dealing with legalese here.
They filed the documents that oversees legalese = commercial courts which are defined by (and not only) Blacks Law Dictionary.

Notice the word creator next to numeric codes.... UCC 1-308

"UCC 1-308, creator, experiencing by creation, knowingly, willingly, and intentionally manifesting self through, by, and between bondservant therefrom and any and all manifestations thereunder by Universal Contracts,......."

This creator is enjoindered to "commercial contracts".......

Now read carefully here:

Uniform Commercial Code

U.C.C. - ARTICLE 1 - GENERAL PROVISIONS

PART 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS [Table of Contents]

§ 1-103.

§ 1-103. Construction of [Uniform Commercial Code] to Promote its Purposes and Policies: Applicability of Supplemental Principles of Law.

(a) [The Uniform Commercial Code] must be liberally construed and applied to promote its underlying purposes and policies, which are: (1) to simplify, clarify, and modernize the law governing commercial transactions; (2) to permit the continued expansion of commercial practices through custom, usage, and agreement of the parties; and (3) to make uniform the law among the various jurisdictions.

(b) Unless displaced by the particular provisions of [the Uniform Commercial Code], the principles of law and equity, including the law merchant and the law relative to capacity to contract, principal and agent, estoppel, fraud, misrepresentation, duress, coercion, mistake, bankruptcy, and other validating or invalidating cause supplement its provisions.

Link: http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/1/article1.htm

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Money is the current(cy) (cy = see = sea) of the curse........

[See Love For Life video embedded below:
The "Name" Is The Mark Of The Beast The Strawman
Identifying Your Slave Status In "The System
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So the process of this OPPT document is the processing of a curse.....
the combining of MANS life-force-energy as the sea of the curse.

This is blatant black-magic of the worst kind.

Where are they directing all this accumulating Life-Force-Energy?????????

Watch the video - coming shortly.

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Notice the words used frequently "universe" and "universal"

uni verse and uni verse all

They are clearly telling you what this is all about.

Please bring forward the "universe" and the "universal" to back your claims. It must be a 1st party to 1st party direct experience and not the re-presentation of "universe" and "universal" performed by a man acting as "self". If so THIS IS FRAUD.

uni = ONE - ONENESS = SAMENESS
and
verse = story or his-story or her-story.

Universe means ONE-STORY
and
Universal means ONE-STORY FOR ALL

meaning there is no uniqueness/originality and that ALL are under the same story = one world government, one word religion.........etc.

We say no more. Video coming ASAP. Love Arthur & Fiona Cristian

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Friday 22nd February 2013

Podcast: CONSCIOUS LIVING - THE OPPT WITH HEATHER TUCCI-JARRAF

Today, the question was asked to Heather Tucci-Jarraf, OPPT Trustee, as to why the word "self" was used instead of MAN, Man, man, in the OPPT document/s: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/globalfactradio/2013/02/22/global-fact-radi...

Starts at 98 minutes 20 seconds.

This was her answer:

"Every word was chosen very specifically and essentially those attorneys who read those documents who knew exactly what was happening in their language, however the documents were meant to be read with the heart and not the mind as far as the people go".

(note: it sounded like she was reading the answer from a script - was she briefed on this?):

Note: SHE DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION.

She instead completely avoided it!

This was blatant gobbledygook talk no different to a politician who dribbles on and on without ever specifically answering the question.

Why does the dictionary exist?

What is the purpose of the Blacks Law dictionary?

Are they not used to clarify the exact meaning of a word to avoid misunderstandings/confusion, etc, down the-line?

If the writers are using words that ONLY the heart can know, does this not leave it open down-the-line for misunderstandings/wrong-interpretations to eventuate etc. The benefit of vagary leaves things open for abuse, manipulation, change of direction/tactics, etc, anytime down-the-line.

There is no certainty of intent here. "NO... WE DID NOT MEAN THAT..... WE MEANT THIS INSTEAD". "YOU WERE NOT USING YOUR HEART". THAT IS YOUR FAULT!

The dictionaries exist to make it CLEAR for all concerned so they know exactly and clearly where they stand with those who were/are behind the making of the OPPT document. WHAT A CLEVER COP OUT/ESCAPE CLAUSE. Watch out people you are ALL being tricked here.

AND. "Every word was chosen very specifically and essentially those attorneys who read those documents who knew exactly what was happening in their language" --- GEEESSS, they are very important people, going out of their way to help us, to care for us in times of great need,..... they must be on our side.... WE BETTER TRUST THEM. they've gone to great trouble making sure everything is spot on!!!!!!!.. What a load of butter up bullshit.

And notice the wording "who knew exactly what was happening in their language". implying they know exactly the intent behind the word "self", but others must use their hearts to work it out. What a fob off.

And we LOL over this one "however the documents were meant to be read with the heart and not the mind as far as the people go"..... AS FAR AS THE PEOPLE GO.... implying as far away from truth as possible AND we want you to be con-fused which you will if you just trust us by following your heart... MEANING = BELIEF (believe in us, believe in our "spells") and not look into the true meanings of these legalese words used....... it is up to you, of the people, to work things out if you can....

The word "Self" is tied to "Person". Blacks Law makes this very clear. How much more clear does it have to be? "Here's the lemon you ordered sir"... "No I never wanted that, I wanted an orange",.... "No... you were not listening to your heart, the letters form the word orange but we meant lemon" !!!!!!!

Please go here to post your comments or read all the thread: The OPPT is a FRAUD, A LIE,
Refer to this discussion with Max Igan: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/168861396594454

Max Igan & The Fraud Of The OPPT
(One Peoples Public Trust)

Facebook Discussion With Arthur & Fiona Cristian
17th to 19th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8357
and
https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/168861396594454

Podcast: On this episode of CONSCIOUS LIVING, we are honored to have two guests: Heather Tucci-Jarraf, one of the trustees of The OPPT (The One People's Public Trust) and Captain Deryl Zeleny of the Canadian Armed forces. Heather will discuss all aspects of the OPPT and how it can be used to benefit the people and answer any questions our listeners might have. Captain Deryl will brief us on the assignment he was given by his superiors and how it led him to the OPPT.

Listen to internet radio with GLOBAL FACT RADIO on Blog Talk Radio

Video:

The "Name" Is The Mark Of The Beast The Strawman
Identifying Your Slave Status In "The System"

By Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
www.loveforlife.com.au

5th February 2012

This is an explanation about the "name" we are given for our characters of "The System" which we use to contract with "The System" and the consequences (the sequence of the con) for renting that name. It is vital to comprehend how the name is used to bind us to "The System" and what we have to do to disassociate from the names of "The System" because, to co-create real freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance and do no harm for all of life without causing loss of uniqueness and without the need for slaves and rulers successfully, we have to leave everything of "The System" behind. Any contracts we have with "The System" perpetuate "The System" and while "The System" exists, harm doing, chaos and destruction exist.

The "name" you are given as a slave (renter) of "The System" is what binds you to "The System". This is the name on the birth certificate, citizenship papers, passport, Medicare card, bank cards and all other identification documents of "The System". For example, when parents sign for the birth certificate, they have agreed for the State to take responsibility for the administration of the name of the baby but they have made a claim on that name and have agreed to take full-responsibility for the rental of the intellectual property that is the name of the baby so that they can perform business with "The System", administered by the administrators of "The System", and receive the benefits of "The System" for the name (the baby). In truth, no one owns the name but, in claiming it, we take on the responsibility for the business conducted under the name.

By claiming the name, we give those of "The System" the authority to make decisions on our names behalf because they administer the intellectual property of that name, which gives the impression that they are ruling over us. They do not see the living men, women and children, living co-creators that we really are, however, because they are only interested in the intellectual property of the name that we are renting and the benefits that "The System" is providing which they administer on behalf of the name.

continued here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8255

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
27th February 2013 onwards.....
Part One: http://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao

Part Two: http://youtu.be/tbybeOWZ-Bc

Part Three: http://youtu.be/yOWoxH-HbVw

Part Four: coming

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Continuation Of The Max Igan Saga


Facebook Discussion With Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

21st August 2013

Another interesting Facebook thread involving Max Igan. The link is found on the FB wall of Simon Kaiwai https://www.facebook.com/skaiwai - link to thread: https://www.facebook.com/skaiwai/posts/10151610191456299 - and is linked to Max Igan's FB wall https://www.facebook.com/max.igan.9 as well as ours: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian.

Links to all discussions we've had with Max Igan can be found here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8359

Max Igan & The Fraud Of The OPPT (One Peoples Public Trust - 17th to 19th February 2013: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8422

OPPT Facebook Discussion Started By Gypsy Rob 20th February 2013: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8421

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit - The Scam Of UCC And CVAC - 27th Feb 2013: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8421

Another Facebook Conversation Between Max Igan And Arthur & Fiona Cristian - 2nd July 2013: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8467

The Continuation Of The Max Igan Saga - 21st August 2013: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8478

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Simon Kawai posted:

"IMO OPPT was launched when it was to deflect attention away from and discredit ITCCS. I have carefully looked at the timeline and had conversations with those involved including the freedomcentral crowd in South Africa who are OPPT pushers but have mixed a local variant of ITCCS into it and misused an ITCCS stamp.

Be very wary about people trying to say the ITCCS is a one man band being Kevin Annett and then reframing everything against him using a bones argument or financial gain fallacy. This professional troll smear campaign against Kevin and the ITCCS includes blogs, forged letters and paid trolls using quite sophisticated techniques who have patiently built their FB profile to enter many pages. This includes Lgh and Rachael.

Watch the doco for yourself and see what you take from it - evidence of systematic cultural genocide by church and state

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88k2imkGIFA

I do not agree with your presumption that Popes and Kings cannot be judged like other men, or are incapable of wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way, against holders of power … There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Historic responsibility must therefore make up for the want of legal responsibility.

Lord Acton, 1887

http://itccs.org

20th August at 03:11

http://www.xomoxnyc.com/us-military-caught-manipulating-social-media-run...

20th August at 03:42

ITCCS could be an example of a remedy in law which would require popular support. I don't read into it that everything is sorted at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtFOpFgT64Y

20th August at 05:05

OPPT appears to be a new age false solution coopting people who were on the periphery of action

20th August at 05:06

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We replied:

Arthur Cristian

Kevin Annett is also an "agent", one of the many "We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us" lackeys, deceivers. Do the background Google research on him, you might get shocked as to what he is really all about. He has no remedy (like they all do) to get MAN out of "The System". He just keeps you trapped in reactions to trauma (as they all do). To stop the fires of hell "The System" from raging you turn your back on it - don't give it your life-energy otherwise you feed it which you do when you react to trauma. A mass exodus out of "The System" in all its forms is to completely ignore everything of it and co-create Kindoms/Do No Harm Communities instead. Life is in our image.

20th August 2013 at 10:23

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Poppy Just-Poppy

True Arthur Cristian, that is one way and how do you propose to get people to do that en masse? I believe what Kevin Annett is doing is link in the chain of events that could possibly set us free. We have to meet people where they can see the life raft and I don't think that makes people an agent, otherwise we are all just agents and there is no hope.

20th August at 11:35

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Poppy Just-Poppy

Sounds a bit OPPT to me Rob. People need to 'know' they are free and not constantly be told and parented by others. Maybe they need to be mature, harmonise and do what their core essence can - which is to love, share and grow together with the best intentions. While the 'system' dominates however, the capacity to love, share and grow together becomes more of a survival and competitive process. The actual legal system to me is the cancer of society and cancer grows when it is fed. It takes a united front to stop doing this. This is why I like Kevin Annett's ideas that common sense and the 'do no harm', 'don't rip others off' ethics of common law seems to me to be a step in the right direction. People can step up to common sense any time they are ready. I support (naturally) lawful action that is like a super oxygen blast into the core of the primary cancer, through the vatican and beyond.

20 August at 11:55

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Poppy Just-Poppy

I agree with the ideals of what you are saying. The problem I have is with the roots of OPPT relating to the Rothchild's banking family and people of the BAR. Of course as the financial system will inevitably crash, the Rothchild's and their family will be working on a scheme that will look like it will save us all somehow. So to go along with the ideals so many people have and commercial remedy etc is something that these extremely dishonest bankers would do, therefore I caution people who think OPPT has their answers. The roots of the organisation are proving to come from a very corrupted place and have people caught up in the very attractive bright shining alluminati light as I see it. I was drawn to OPPT at first but it did not sit right and my inner guidance system showed me there was good reason for that.

20 August at 13:25

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Arthur Cristian

Hi Poppy, briefly,....... How to establish Kindoms - this where our Love For Life work comes into it. Getting others to see/sense the natural path of.......... Life Is A Gift & Do No Harm ............. is critical because then they/we give up being self-centered and are living the dream of life, therefore, in present-sense we are already living for everyone else's freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc....., they/we've learnt to give up serving "i", "me", "mine", "own", etc.

[Read our posts/articles & watch our videos, etc - we are shorty to post Part 4 of the OPPT video series which goes into remedy in a big way - we finished the video in March this year but we've had ongoing hassles/disruptions getting the original music recorded and included in this video - we are on a massive learning curve and had a faulty PreSonus 1818VSL which set us back big-time - we did not know where to draw the line between our lack of audio experience and faulty equipment so we learnt the hard way and PreSonus finally came to the party to help us with upgrading equipment.]

Creating/re-creating a tribe of MAN to live this way again (stop being self-centered) just as our ancestors of "long-ago" did is critical - then comes the land. If we don't sort out all the self-centeredness issues then everyone will continue bringing their reactions to (story-telling of) trauma with them and into the dream of Kindom to sabotage it. Reactions to trauma makes them/us self-centered. We become in-divide-u-all-s, apart from freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc.... and inevitably from each other.

Reactions to trauma is how "The System" and everything of "The System" is constructed and is how we/they become self-centered. If we can't give up being self-centered (give up story-telling in all its forms) then we will never recreate Kindoms/Do No Harm Communities and will forever remain trapped and bound by the brilliantly crafted Freemasonic/Satanic glue that is "The System",...... their systems (story-telling) of enslavement. Story-telling (reactions to trauma) is ALL based in black-magic.

It wasn't pieces of paper and whatever was scribbled and marked on them that invaded our ancestors lands to rape, pillage, plunder, humiliate, ridicule, abuse, torture and cause mass genocide/murder to them and it will not be pieces of paper and electronic digital data that will set everyone free either and this includes everyone who uses alphabet languages to communicate the story-telling of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, because they are ALL trauma based too.

In present-sense, we have to use our senses to see/sense past all this non-sense (reactions to trauma) - example: the thought of freedom is not freedom, the thought of God is not God, the thought of Roman Catholic Church is not the Roman Catholic Church, the thought of Simon Kawai is not Simon Kawai, etc, etc, ........ All thoughts are images and in present-sense it is the life we set into motion and into (we gift/give to) the dream/thought of freedom that has us already be free.

Why are we fighting for freedom when we already are free? (just turn our backs on story-telling and walk-away from it - stop giving story-telling power over our lives by our compliance/attachment/belief/worship to/in it - this is our freedom set into motion setting us free in present-sense)

Why are we giving our life-energy to the story-telling of freedom, peace, truth, joy, abundance, etc, when we already are free, are peace, are truth, are joy, are abundance, etc?????

You see/sense, it's when we get hooked/sucked/seduced/conned into the story-telling of whatever we believe-in/worship about our relationship to freedom, to peace, to joy, to peace, to abundance, etc, that we give up being free, etc, in present-sense. Now we are the rats following the story-telling Pied Piper (We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us Agents/Lackeys/Deceivers/etc), rats who have fallen over the cliff and into our "living-dead state", fighting for our freedom, etc, inside the "stories" we've become part of, are acting/performing/believing-in-them, because we think/imagine that we don't already have freedom, etc, in present-sense. We are now trapped in the black-magic "time-codes" constructed/crafted by Freemasons/Satanists.

Watch out for the Freemasons/Satanists duality construct/tool/instrument in all its deceptive forms. We cannot perform Alice (you/we) in Wonderland ("The System") unless we perform it in present sense. Kevin Annett (a Pied Piper) with all his story-telling keeps you stuck/lost/trapped in "The System". Same with the story-telling of David Icke, Benjamin Fullford, Alex Jones, Max Igan, etc, (thousands of them coming at you no matter which way you turn/think in "The System"). Through story-telling (reactions to trauma like 9/11, 7/7, vaccinations, MSG, Fracking, Global Warming, Economy, Banksters, Rothschilds, Illuminati, Aliens, Shapeshifters, UFO's, etc, etc, tens of thousands of story-telling injustice/harm/wrong-doing, lies, deceptions, etc) they keep you trapped in the story (that ONLY exists in "The System" - not in/of Nature/Earth) which binds you ever so tightly to "The System". In present-sense, we have given up (forgotten/rejected/ignored) who we really are & are part of for stories of your/our freedom, truth, peace, joy, peace, abundance, etc, attached to the story-telling these deceivers peddle like the Roman Catholic Church with its Pope and sexual abuse and ritual slaughter of innocent children, etc.

Much more on this is explained in the posts/comments posted in the Love For Life link provided below. Almost everyone is trapped in the reflections/shadows/mirrors of "intellectual property" that are just thoughts, ideas & e-motions of others telling you/them/us how to think, feel and act about our freedom, truth, etc. This is not freedom. While we are trapped in the story-telling of these black-magic warlocks/witches we have given up being present to freedom, truth, joy, etc in present-sense. We are now trapped in the story-telling of our freedom, peace, joy, abundance, etc, and are at the effect of whatever happens in the stories that we are emotionally addicted too. hence, a MAN acting as Jew will do harm to a MAN acting as Christian or Palestinian, etc. Again, all this is reaction to trauma.

We will never find our freedom, joy, etc, in stories because they keep as from being freedom, truth, etc, in present-sense.

Do you comprehend this cleverly crafted deception Poppy???? There is no freedom in the stories peddled by story-tellers. Our freedom does not exist in the fiction/illusion (thoughts/images) of OPPT or God or Roman Catholic Church. Ideas of freedom, etc, is not freedom.

OPPT, God & Roman Catholic Church do not exist, never have & never will, neither does our freedom, truth, peace, etc, exist in these stories either. You/we gave up our freedom, etc, for the stories of our freedom made up by others telling us how, to think, feel and act. In present-sense, there is no direct experience of our freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc.

Example about "my" "birthday" "tomorrow":

Gees, we are so deeply compromised Poppy - have been working hard with the children and Fiona to drum this in to all of us and all our friends, etc, (in the "stories" of "story-telling" what a pain in the ass "I" must be - LOL) that we must get past all man-made constructs/concepts to do with "time" because we (MAN) have the power/gift of life to set what we think/feel into motion, thus in present-sense we become in those images, so when we set "time" (codes) into motion we start turning off our (MANS) eternal genes/dna/cells as we begin the descent of our journey into our fallen (imagined) dead "state" (living-dead), of our own making. To think our ancestors, who fell into this non-sense of "time", began our fallen "state" into the "story-telling-of-death" and we, the descendants continue the legacy of MANS (our ancestors) death. Time does not exist. Time is ONLY make-believe. Best we give up celebrating/worshiping/believing-in make-believe Birthdays, Easter, Christmas, 9 to 5, calendars, days, months, years, yesterday, tomorrow, seasons, history/his-story/her-story, etc, etc, and just celebrate LIFE in present-sense. Then "The System" with all its/our reactions to trauma fades away from our focus forevermore. "Time" is trauma based and worshiping time is a reaction to trauma ("The System") thus we give it our life-energy. Our reaction to trauma constructs "The System".

Freedom is not a destination - only the illusion of freedom is, unfortunately the illusion of freedom (as in the story of OPPT) can never be arrived at, it will always be at arms length from you. This is what story-telling (reactions to trauma) do to us/you.

The greatest lie/liar/deceiver is the one closest to truth, freedom, peace, etc..... Watch out for them.

More on how to get out of "The System" in present-sense is here:

So You Want The Good Bits Of "The System"
But Not The Bad Bits?

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 12th August 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8468

20 August at 17:58

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Poppy Just-Poppy

I can see a lot of value in what you are saying Arthur Cristian but also that people are very far off from that way of thinking and I admit that I have trouble grasping what you are saying. I can relate to bits and pieces but do relate more to simplicity. I acknowledge that it is human belief systems that cause our trauma and even our death and getting beyond the belief system in physical form is not entirely possible. I see the system and legal system as the cancer of society. My understanding of healing cancer in a system is the undoing of what created it - by belief and what the body was fed or the toxins the body was prone to as a result. Therefore I can only see MAN evolving together in the undoing of that. That cancer needs to be relied on for our life is an illusion. It needs a whole lot of doses of hyperoxygenation (truth and love) from every angle to bring back health to the whole system. I don't think it can be looked at in terms of good and bad, it's more like life or death to me.

20 August at 14:13

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Arthur Cristian

Ben - you are a fully paid up member of the cult called "The System". You worship their mantras, fail to see the contradictions of their words and cling onto your belief in its "realness". Can you prove that time exists?

20 August at 17:15

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Arthur Cristian

@ Rob, we recognise your good intentions but you wrap them all up in "story-telling" - there is very little direct experience going on here. Re-presenting "intellectual property" (story-telling) is not the basis of truth/fact. Is the sensory life-form a daffodil and is yellow? Did the sensory life-form (a direct experience) tell you it was a daffodil and is yellow or are you just parroting what others told you about it? You talk/write as a 3rd party, re-presenting story-telling on behalf of the earthquake, divine, cosmic reality, dying, survival, source, divine intervention, etc...... which are not present amongst the living as 1st parties. All we have is you performing the story-telling of earthquake, etc......

20 August at 17:28

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Arthur Cristian

Ben, you are complicit in living the lie of "The System" - you say "Redemption of the system must start with law and the judiciary and seeing those in high places account for the office kindly entrusted to them by We the people!"..... yet, and bar MAN, "the law", "the judiciary", "office", etc. DO NOT EXIST. You are basing your argument and remedy on lies, on fictions (fantasies, illusions, delusions) that do not exist. You obviously support the continuation of brainwashing men, women, and children to become cogs (slaves, labourers, white & blue collar workers, etc) in the wheels of "The System" progress of its man-made civilisation.... and out of all this comes immense harm to MAN, Earth, Nature.

Also, MAN is not a construct/concept. In present-sense, MAN is already evident as are all sensory life-forms evident (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see). Sensory life-forms do not require Education for others to experience them directly. ONLY "The System" and everything of it requires education because they are all make-believe, they do not exist, hence education so that the brainwashed can perform Alice in Wonderland. MAN exists regardless of education. But nothing of "The System" including it exists. It is not evident. This is why "The System" and everything (concepts/constructs) of it requires education (brainwashing/braindirtying).

20 August at 18:10

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Arthur Cristian

Poppy, we sense your sentiments and insights. Simplicity comes the more we contemplate and scrutinise information shared. Go where the logic of truth takes you, Use scrutiny like a blow torch - put all beliefs and information to the test - see if they stack up. If you want to have a lengthy chat over a land-line send us your land-line number and we'll call you using the internet phone. If yes, send us your number via FB PM. What are good "times" to call you in NZ.

20 August at 17:54

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Max Igan

Dont attempt arguing with arthur Ben, any observation of his M/O strongly suggests him to be a divisionist with a solid agenda of getting people to buy into his commune while leaving the system alone to destroy the world... he is careful to make it look good on the surface but then always reverts back to the Roman/Vatican programming he is running. He is also careful to drop many of the right keywords but if you notice, he then often acts quite the opposite to his own words, even in the same post... for example you will notice how he borrows from my shows and preaches "do no harm" but then, in plain view, constantly and repeatedly does whatever harm he can to almost any other researcher you can name, by making false accusations against them without ever offering any proof of claim... for example just calling Annet an agent offhand, without ever showing the proof or papertrail that proves this accusation as if he is all knowing and possibly privvy to some inside information and someone we all should listen to, and then always, always cleverly crafting the conversation back to "kindoms" which mean joining his commune - but without ever addressing the matter of government control and perceived ownership of land. He has also made many videos often containing underlying tones of hatred and disinformation directed at other researchers and I am told he also has many pages of finger pointing and self proclaimed glory on his website. Its best to just leave him be and dont get into arguments with him. He probably has a good heart in there somewhere as I belive most do, but unfortunately his programming (and it would appear that its mostly self programming) runs very deep.

20 August at 22:19

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Max Igan

as I have often said, in regard to the OPPT, I think everything other than the one oppt filing that claims if you "be" you are free, is pure noise... actually Im being interviewed on a show that I believe may be OPPT oriented in about 8 hours from now... it may be an interesting discussion...

20 August at 22:50

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Max Igan

http://oppthrvatska.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/hour-of-truth-9-announcemen...

20 August at 22:56

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Arthur Cristian

Ben, bring forward the first party "time" to back your claim that "time" exists. Lets hear it from "time", from "times" tongue. Lets have a direct sensory (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) experience with "time", first party to first party.

Where are the children of "time" playing?

Where is "time's" ancestors buried?

What is the location/address of "time" so we can visit "time", sit under a tree with "time" having lots of laughs, a bite to eat and a drink together?

What does "time" do for nature/earth that aids nature/earth in rolling along here and now?

What of nature/earth (sensory life form inanimate or not) needs "time" to exist so they may exist?

Would we all suffer and die if "time" did not exist?

Where can millions of innocent children, not exposed to "The System" or to anyone exposed to "The System" go anywhere in nature/earth to learn about "time" without anyone having to explain (educate/brainwash/story-telling) "time" to them?

Re-presenting/performing the story-telling of "time" is not proof of fact that "time" exists.

Also, we have no belief (we do not peddle beliefs). Truth is evident, is sensory.

All lies are NON-SENSORY, are NON-SENSE.

We have already provided links where you can explore remedy - it is up to you to put the effort in, if you want to.

As to what our views are, if you comprehended what we have shared in this thread you will sense/see that we have already answered Simon very clearly.

Common Law is NOT a remedy.

To back what we've shared in this thread, would you like to have a live debate with us, recorded for uploading to YouTube, etc. Let's also put what you have claimed to the "test", let's see them stack up. How about it?

21 August at 00:45

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Arthur Cristian

http://www.genuinewitty.com/2012/08/30/kevin-annett-doesnt-only-steal-su...

http://stopkevinannett.wordpress.com/page/6

http://www.bc.united-church.ca/content/formal-hearing-panel-decision

http://www.bc.united-church.ca/content/KA-oct-1997

http://www.bc.united-church.ca/content/kevin-annett

http://browse.feedreader.com/c/Pagan_Media_That_Bites_Com

For whatever reason, it appears www.PaganMediaBites.com website has been taken down - for years this website (based in Canada) had heaps of background info on Kevin Annett.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/peoplesvoices/2012/11/23/prof-jim-craven-wi...

http://sisis.nativeweb.org/resschool/sep2898coj.html

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1231.5;wap2

http://ndhr.ca/old/documents/black_robe.php

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sovernspeakout/message/11336

This appears to be paganmediabites latest website: http://www.zurker.com/paganmediathatbites

https://twitter.com/PaganMediaBites/status/339745830586167296/photo/1

http://www.united-church.ca/aboriginal/schools/statements/annett

Mohawk Elders declare their relationship with Kevin Annett. May 29, 2012. http://youtu.be/XOYWEi6lXCI

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/peoplesvoices/2012/10/18/aptn-discussion-on...

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Simon Kaiwai

Arthur - it takes more than googling and posting what you find to ensure one is not propogating disinformation. RE: the United Church "formal panel hearing" did you listen to the account of the witness who sat through that? It was reported as a sham process with the aims of protecting the church and discrediting Kevin.

The stopkevinannett and genuine witty sites are part of a concerted effort by at least 3 individuals whom have all the hallmarks of professional trolls. They don't put up evidence but have forged documents and reframed the argument to such a small question "those bones" to belittle the larger question which is: are those of the land in what is known as Canada suffering a many fronted cultural genocide? And who is involved and responsible for these crimes against humanity? And how can they be held to account? And what are the initial steps to doing this? Kevin Annett has provided a very logical, well reasoned, courageous and dedicated example for those that care to see the forest through the trees.

I encourage you to look deeper into the origins and timeline surrounding Kevin Annett and the ITCCS before reposting carelessly - if they are untruths or misleading then this in itself is a cause for harm. Can you see that?

21st August at 03:47

Rob - thank you for providing your perspective which seems to align with OPPT. I agree with Poppy on it that "what is bad in the beginning cannot be made good in the end". OPPT is based on legal fiction and creating some imaginary value abstracted from nature. How can this ever create a pathway to our natural way of being? Sure heaps of people interpret it that way and promote it to others that way but these people are just telling stories as Arthur puts it. Lets cut the the case and focus on what is real and what we can effect change on.

21 August at 03:53

Max - I appreciate you sharing that you do not support OPPT as a solution other than the claim if you "be" you are free. This seems to be a truism but what happens when we claim something that is anyway? Does it show uncertainty? Does it empower another party to be the grantor of that claim? I think it does. OPPT is a very clever distraction leading people from these inherent truths to more man made concepts and rules, entrapment, designed to curtail the knowledge of those that know enough to look for solutions to our common situation.

21 August at 04:02

Ben House-Of Thompson - thanks for bringing the comments back to the topic at hand and for your thoughts

21 August at 04:03

Ben McEvoy - This is a real topic with many contributions. I included you to get the mainstream viewpoint which you so consistently re-present. There is something to see and learn here if you care to see. Do everyone a favor though and do relate it to the topic at hand.

21 August at 04:06

If the people do suffer from a lack of knowledge AND we must have no fellowship with works of evil but expose them then this body of work that Kevin Annett has contributed is of benefit to a great many people. I don't ordain myself with the right to judge his personality but can discern the merits and wider applicability of things he has done. Common law courts are not a new concept, indeed a "grand jury" is just that as previously defined before deliberate legal misconstruction. If we want a more just society and those playing the roles of judiciary are not striving for those aim then an alternative must be sought. Common law courts are repeatable in every locality and I suggest Arthur - even a kindom will need a process for resolution that will use principles found in this process.

21st August at 04:14

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Max Igan

lol... see what I mean about Arthur? ... do no harm... yeah right...

21st August at 06:31

I will post this mornings OPPT Croatia interview when I get time... please accept my apologies for any vagueness on my part during it. It was 7am and I have a stomach bug...

21 August at 11:52

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Simon Kaiwai

Ben McEvoy - I stand by my posts that geoengineering is happening, that some vaccines harm and some appear to be designed that way, that moves are afoot to undermine the natural family, that mercury, flouride and gmos are bad for us, that climate fears are being propagated for a conspiracy. Have I left anything else out that you disagree with? Thanks anyway for providing your opinion on the topic of justice and remedy from the system: I would rather stare at my navel than willingly get the programming you receive via the TV, newspapers and people you must surround yourself with to hold such a consistent viewpoint with so many others that are not fearless enough to research these topics independently. Do you think the judicial system actually works fairly? Do you think the system is sustainable and increasingly egalitarian? Do you think we generally live in a time of peace and abundance?

21 August at 15:49

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Ben House-Of Thompson - please do not get abusive to Arthur - I know he is trying his best and contributing his knowledge freely. I am surprised he hasn't looked deeply into ITCCS and Kevin Annett.

21 August at 15:51

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Max Igan

That interview has been posted above

21 August at 19:36

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Dylan Chiang

My dream is to see Max Igan and Arthur Cristian as brothers again and one day working together- imagine the effect you guys could create together - both are soo unique with special gifts -- it soooo sucks to see you divided like this regardless of who is to blame or who is the -agent - come back home guys --in lakech

22 August at 01:15

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Max Igan

well you will have to talk to Arthur about that Dylan ... but Im sure that the day he begins respecting others, stops making false accusations and attacking people, stops promoting division, making hate videos about other researchers, telling lies, making up stories, stealing peoples research... all while preaching "do no harm" when its all he seems to do... and when he figures out that his way (...well, the portions of Vladamir Megre's way that he has stolen) is not the only way, realises that the way to fix our situation doesnt involve running and hiding in alternate communities and allowing the system to destroy the world around us ...and when he chooses to discard the roman God vs satan programming he is running, we will be able to actually have a conversation... I look forward to such a time... but somehow cannot see it happening... His own self programming just seems to run too deep and its likely his ego is too enormous for him to ever address the many issues he seems to have...

22 August at 14:46

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Arthur Cristian

It's very simple Max, we've asked you over and over again as we've asked David Icke (who we've known personally since 1996), Kevin Annett (since 2006), Benjamin Fulford, Jordan Maxwell, and many, many others, since 2005/2006, "Do You Stand For NO SYSTEM?" Just answer the question please, a simple Yes or No is all that is required. You have avoided answering this question.

The power of the Freemasonic/Satanic world comes from "The System", without it, they lose all power and control and either are forced to walk away and give up everything their brotherhoods/etc have worked so hard for since this non-sense started as "Egypt" (Ancient-Egypt) or continue going to war, performing their many versions of genocide, psychological attacks & other atrocities against all of MAN & MANS Nature/Earth, their brothers/sisters of life that we all are.

We know that all agents of the Freemasonic/Satanic world/agenda can't go against "The System" by standing for NO SYSTEM as their lives, their families, their standing in "society", their assets, etc, will be destroyed one way or another down-the-line. So far, all those who want "The System", which the NWO is all about under another guise, want "The System" under some kind of "Feel Good/God, Cosmic/Galactic Consciousness "Oneness" Glue guise, etc, a kind of "Star Trek Federation" in nature leading the way.

Since 2005, we have made it very clear to millions of people that we stand for NO SYSTEM and have explained why in great detail. Many of our Love For Life videos, articles, comments embrace this subject and expand on it in great detail.

To us, you are an agent that sold out long ago. Many thousands of people have written to us about you. Many people are waking up to the psychological tactics (warfare) being used to dumb down and desensitise MAN. You can throw all the lies at us about "cults" and "lies", etc, but we ignore this. TRUTH stands and many people are seeing through the "nice" facades which deceivers like you and David Icke have put up.

Put it this way Max, in debate no one has been able to debunk what we say. We've had many many hundreds and their claims get exposed for the lies they are. If you believe you have truth on your side then why don't you take us on in a debate Max? If you believe we are lying and are a cult, etc, lets have a live recorded debate aired on YouTube for all to see. Lets put it all to the test Max? Lets see how your claims and ours stack up Max. How about it?

How about attacking what we say, the info we share instead of attacking the MAN (includes Fiona). Refer to the posts since Feb 2013 when all this non-sense about "Anastasia", "Cults", "God vs Satan" programming", etc, started by Max. Max loves twisting everything we write into something that has nothing to do with our work, where we are coming from and our intentions. ALL Maxe's argumentative claims about us is BULLSHIT. Max loves creating a controversy where there isn't one. Max continues using slander wherever possible. And worst of all, Max admits over and over again that he does not read or watch our Love For Life work. So how does he know?

Everyone new to this scenario can read all discussions we've had with Max Igan since it started with OPPT in Feb this year here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8359 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8356 - we provide FULL-disclosure

Here is an article about Max's deceptive work:

A Spell Master At Work
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
21st April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8401

Posted in the Love For Life website December 2006, found near the bottom of any webpage throughout the website and on the home page:

The Cristian Family Declaration

The Cristian family and The Love for Life Campaign are apolitical, non-religious, non-violent, anti weapons, anti drugs (both pharmaceutical and recreational) and anti any ideology that denies the existence of Do No Harm Communities (Kindoms) and suppresses the uniqueness and freedom of all men, women and children.

The Cristian family and our Love For Life work is unaligned to any big business corporation, intelligence agency, government body, "system" law, "system" think tanks, "system" green or environmental movements, religion, cult, sect, society (fraternity, brotherhood, sisterhood, order, club, etc,) secret or not, hidden agenda, law or sovereignty group, occult, esoteric, New Age or Old Age.

The Cristian family supports and promotes the remedy that brings an everlasting peace, freedom, truth, joy, abundance and do no harm for all of life without causing loss of uniqueness or the need for having slaves and rulers. We are not into following the one in front or being sheeple. Most importantly, we take full-responsibility for everything we think, feel and do.

The Cristian family are not Christians.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

December 2006

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Arthur Cristian

Hi Simon, we have looked at ITCCS and it most definitely is not a remedy. Only takes one lie buried in amongst a mountain of truth to cause ALL the damage. If we do not rout out all lies then we will believe/think that the lie is truth and as we, MAN, have the power/gift of life to set thoughts/images into motion we give power to the lie to cause immense harm without realising. Do you realise what the lie in ITCCS is? How about we chat over the phone again, there is a lot of ground to cover? We have a background of dealing with Kevin since 2006, and have had many dealings with Canadian "Originals" - there is much to share with you. We can back everything we are saying Simon. Love - Arthur & Fiona

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Simon Kaiwai

Sure I'd be happy to catchup on the phone again however the topic of ITCCS and a claimed "lie that is causing all the damage" is in the public interest and should be backed up with evidence or at least reasoned out. What damage are you referring to? What is the lie?

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Max Igan

lol... Of course I stand for no system Arthur as anyone and everyone who has ever listened to any of my work clearly knows... and, nice try at self promotion but no, I wont have you on the show as Im not willing to promote your divisionism and attempt "debating" with a self absorbed brick wall running roman programs who is intent on building his own cult.... besides, you dont really want a debate, you just want the publicity... and after reading your last post all I can say in response is that I thank you kindly for so eloquently illustrating the points I previously observed about you... Divisionism, hate mongering, false accusations and self glory... aw, you have even given me my own hate page on your website... how kind of you, all part of your "do no harm" policy no doubt? @LMAO at the "many thousands of emails you have received about me" ... "known david icke personally since '96" lol... what, did you meet him once at one of his talks? funny how he has never heard of you ...man you are so full of shit I can smell it from the north coast... good luck with your cult ...

12 hours ago

oh and btw Arthur, we all know you love to mention other people on your site in hope of stealing whatever traffic you can get via searches of their names... but since you hate me so much, believe me to be an agent, my work to be "deceptive" and you are so intent on promoting infighting and divisionism... perhaps you should think twice before hosting my videos on your website...? just a thought...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151902585130337&set=p.10151902...

4 hours ago

Hypocrite...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151902585670337&set=p.10151902...

and Arthur, frankly Im sick of your false accusations., You have openly and publicly named me as an agent on several occasions now... so ok... gloves off... Lets see you walk your talk and "take full responsibility for everything you think, feel and do" ...if Im an agent, post the evidence here... REAL evidence mind you... not more of your rhetoric or any misguided "interpretations" you may have contructed in your own tiny mind, but hard, factual evidence to back up your claim... Show me. Show us all. Explain how you dare to constantly attack any other research and anyone who disagrees with you and show me the proof of your claim that I am an agent... show it now and stand as the "beacon of truth" you claim to be, ...or dont, and stand exposed, by your own actions and words, as the barefaced liar that you are, and as a person whose only goal is division and self promotion... Your choice.

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Arthur Cristian

Hi Simon, for starters ITCCS is in 'The System" - nothing of "The System can provide remedy because it is DEAD, is fiction, meaning it needs dumbed-down MAN, the living-dead, to perform for it. ONLY FORCE of MAN pulling out of "The System" returning to reality/life/nature/earth/SENSE can fix the issues at hand. We've explained these predicaments in great detail over and over again - even in our first post in this thread. Also, explore posts here like this one:

So You Want The Good Bits Of "The System"
But Not The Bad Bits?

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
12th August 2013
Link: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8468

If you want to chat over the phone to go into the finer details then lets do it.

4 hours ago

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Arthur Cristian

This is Fiona typing and Arthur sitting by her side.

OK MAX, lets go one step at a time, clearing the way forward. For starters, in Feb this year you made the accusation that Arthur lied to you about Anastasia and you said you had a recording of this conversation over the phone to back your claims about this lie. We are still waiting for you to back your claims because you have been relentless in lying about what was shared with you, information that was shared with many many many hundreds of people prior our chat and many many hundreds after this chat. The context of what was shared with you by Arthur is no different to everyone else who Arthur shared the experience with. Also the direct experience has been posted in the Love For Life website since around August 2007 onwards, it has never been taken down. We want to hear this recording Max. Show us how Arthur changed the context with you.

Be aware, we have never said anything publicly about you in anyway that could be regarded as "negative" until after your persistent attacks on our characters this year, and that was after we gave you plenty of time to back your claims about us. We only started talking about your agenda after you continued your campaign of ridicule against us with nothing to back your claims. As we have asked again and again; how do you know what we think and feel and what we stand for if you do not read our work????????? Is this why you can only throw insults, barbs and bait at us? Because you haven't a clue abut what we talk about so obviously cannot debate its merits. You are conducting a hate campaign about people you know very little about, people who have never harmed you and yet you accuse us of divisionism and hate-mongering without producing any evidence of this. Can you show us in our work where we say we want to cause divisionsim and hate mongering and where this intention can be seen clearly? Can you find the words we have written? But of course, to do that, you would actually have to read and watch the work.

Why do we say you are an agent, Max? Because of the behaviour we have just described. There are many good people out there who do not agree with what we say but they do not use this as an excuse to consistently and persistently come after us, even following us around FB threads to continue the abuse. We have never made it personal with you Max, and still do not hold anything against you personally. If you want to come and visit us, you are welcome, just as we welcome everyone who turns up, calls, writes, etc. Is that divisionsism? We don't waste our life-energy on hating you Max, we just think you are compromised and doing a terrible job, the job of making sure that you reinforce the idea that we cannot come together to get out of the mess that is "The System". Why do you state in a video full of hypnotic pictures with you talking in that very measured, hypnotic voice....."go back to sleep everyone, go back to sleep"..........

The subliminal nature of your work is massive and there are many who have commented on this aspect of your work to us, including experienced, professional hypnotherapists and clinical psychologists who have done the research into these kinds of Tavistock brainwashing techniques. Refer to our post above, with a link to the article "A Spell Master At Work". You show no goodwill, just attack, attack, attack, a tactic we have seen on many, many occasions by those who are there to cause controversy, take attention away from someone's message and generally try to stir up fear and distrust. Also, one of the foremost jobs of an agent is to discredit, discredit, discredit and you have been trying to discredit us for months on end when we have done nothing to harm you in the public domain. Why is that? We know it can't be because you do not agree with our work because you don't read it.

Almost all your work is based on the intellectual property of "The System" so, if you stand for no system as you say, you will have to revise a lot of what you are thinking and promoting and supporting. We have not seen or heard anything from you that supports what you are saying about standing for no system. When are you going to start living no system? Have you changed the way you think from when you posted comments on FB about supporting the Australian constitution in the manner of an Australian patriot who wants the constitution, common law, etc? Not that we are suggesting you have ever promoted the use of violence, carrying of guns, etc, the way many American patriots do because we have never heard any call to arms or violence from you. You also supported Ron Paul who is a system pawn as anyone who has done their homework knows.

Are you clear about what we are saying when we say "NO SYSTEM"? If you haven't read our work you might be mistaken into thinking that "NO SYSTEM" does not mean replacing this current version of "The System" with another version of a man-made system. Just to clarify, we mean no man-made system of any sort, no intellectual property ruling over our lives, no education, politics, govern-men-t, religion, commerce, law, etc. Are you saying that you also stand for men and women taking full responsibility (not limited) for land so that they have access to clean water, home grown food and space to build shelter without being answerable to anyone unless they have done harm? Are you saying that you stand for do no harm to all of life? If you are, then Dylan's wish will be answered for we will be behaving towards each other as brothers of life as we live for each other's freedom, truth, joy, abundance, peace, etc. As we have explained again and again, Kindom is a transition phase for us to learn to be free by taking full responsibility for our lives and the lives of those around us.

As for your claims about David Icke not knowing who we are - why don't you get your facts straight before you jump in to stir the pot instead of making yourself look foolish as you have done on other occasions when you flung accusations around only to be corrected by others who knew the facts because they were there. Have you been present in all our dealings with David? Have we ever talked to you about our dealings with David? Have you talked to anyone else who was present during our dealings with David? Were you aware that he stayed in our family home for a week in 1996 and even put on a talk in front of a small group of friends and associates? That we then kept in contact with him for some "time" and that he has also contacted us around two years ago. And before you get into accusing us of backstabbing him, you should be aware that we were totally upfront with David about what we feel his position is and about the Freemasonic/Satanic codes in his books well before we said anything publicly. We spoke to him on the phone and wrote to him as well, asking him to explain his situation and again when he contacted us around 2 years ago. Everything about this is on the Love For Life website. Why don't you bring forward David to back your claims Max?

Another accusation is that we have copied everything we talk about from the Ringing Cedars series. Again, how do you know this when you claim you have not read our work or watched our videos? We had already been talking about do no harm communities long before we read the books in July/August 2007. Yes, we got a lot from the books in terms of validation of what we had been saying and inspiration as to the possibilities of Kindom. What we do use are the words Kindom and Kin Domain, which are commonly used by many people, because we support the sentiments of Kindoms and Kin Domains as laid out in the books. But, again, you wouldn't know. The vast majority of our work consists of insights that are unique to us and that are not to be found in books, videos, etc. Which is why we have tens of thousands of people writing to us over the years thanking us for the clarity of those insights shared freely for all without exclusivity or privilege.

As for being on your show as a publicity exercise, when did we ever say or imply that we wanted to have a debate on your show? Can you show us where we said that? We are just talking about a chat over Skype or a land line that can be recorded and put up on YouTube for anyone who wants to hear it. You are not interested in having a debate, Max because then you would have to back your claims and, gasp, even refer to our work rather than just attacking us over and over again. You have no idea of the damage you have done to your credibility by continually coming after us. We have had many many people say to us that they liked you and your work before they saw the way you came after us behind the front of the OPPT debate, making everything personal and quite obviously setting out to discredit Arthur by harping on and on about the Anastasia incident, even long after we said to you that we couldn't care less if you want to go on and on about it.

What has also happened since then is that we now go out of our way to warn people about you and will continue to do so until we see you show up as someone who stands for truth, freedom, peace, joy, abundance, etc for ALL (including us) and see you let go of all the underhand, spiteful, manipulative, cunning behaviour that has you show up as anything but a man of peace, truth, etc. Anyone who has done enough research knows that the agents of "The System" work on all sides and no, of course we can't produce "evidence" as in official pieces of paper saying, "Max Igan is an agent". This is not how the Freemasonic/Satanic world operates; it is all about secrets, stealth, and sleight of hand but, just as you can learn to recognise the architecture of Freemasonry in plain sight, so you can learn to recognise the trademark behaviours of men and women sent in to cause confusion, controversy and chaos, all the while they murmur their mantras of peace brother. We also have good bullshit detectors that have never failed us, bullshit detectors that come from using senses. We have written a lot about this.

You have an influence on public thinking, Max and you are using the might of it to try to discredit us with no good reason, attack people who have done you no public harm. How convenient. Why is this? Why is it that you, who talks about peace, love consciousness and being brothers, consistently slander, accuse and attack, constantly making a hypocrite of yourself, with NOTHING to back your claims. This is the clear mark of an agent, as is your willingness to constantly come after us but refuse to face those you have accused and allow them to face their accuser in a debate. You are showing all the attributes of a coward, Max, another hallmark of a Freemasonic/Satanic agent.

The nice facade of Max Igan is being ripped away by your continued attacks on us and there are many who have eyes to see it. In fact, one interesting result of the OPPT debate was people, unconnected, calling us or writing to us to tell us about personal dealings with you that had left them scared of you. We have not said or written about this in the public domain because we were not present at the situations discussed, do not know you well personally to know if what we have heard is likely to be true and because it is not our business to expose in the public domain. However, we have certainly been getting a taste of the weight of your bullying tactics and your nastiness. We had our private suspicions about you and it seems that the bullshit detectors were working well - thank you for confirming our gut instincts.

Yes, we have an influence on public thinking too and we say what we think about people who seem to be there for the wrong reasons BUT, we stick to the logic of pointing out where in what they say and do they are still promoting and supporting harm. We do not go after the characters of the men and women and do not attack who they are. We do not wish ill upon them or their families but we are not willing to let them escape from the curses of their own making.

As we have said many times, every lie is a curse and every liar has to process the curse of his/her making. We realise the consequences of lying and therefore speak the truth of what we think and feel. We are not willing to process the curses and refuse to take on the curses of another's making. Anyone who lies about us will not be able to escape the consequences of making that curse because we will not process it for them. We are and always have been, totally transparent about who we are and what we stand for. With us, there are no hidden agendas. How about you, Max?

We have left your information up for all to see because we stand for freedom of expression, speech and thought. People should be allowed to read what they choose and come to whatever conclusions they chose. We leave all sides up and do not censor posts unless they are just chronic foul language, gobbledygook or posts containing links to advertisements. In all the years of Love For Life, out of the many thousands of comments posted we would have censored less than 10. Kings, Queens, Prime Ministers, Presidents and the Pope can post whatever they like, as can Joe Blow from down the road, because we do not control the outcome of people's thinking which is why we leave up the posts where people write all the things they hate about us and our work. Even the most terrible things said about what they they wanted to do (or see happen) to Fiona and the children (and Arthur) are left up. There is a vast amount of information on the Love For Life website that we do not agree with but we leave it up because we are not into censorship and we are not control freaks, or biased. This is very different for someone like you who removes a Facebook friendship with us, as you did. Is this not censorship and divisionsim and hatred, considering the circumstances of what was transpiring with you?

Have you noticed that everything you have said about us is exposed on the Love For Life website and that we regularly refer people to the debates we have had? We are not afraid of people reading what you say about us. They can use their brains and come to their own conclusions.

We do not censor people's views, including yours. Did you know that the Jewish Board of Deputies (the most powerful Jewish lobby group in Australia, so we've been told) tried to close down the Love For Life website in 2009 by accusing us of being anti-Semitic? They gave up within hours because they realised that they were welcome to post anything they wanted to say about us on the website, without censorship. They were also flooded by thousands of people in those few hours. We are not anti-jew and not anti-anyone. Is this hatred and divisionism? Links to this event are found on the Love For Life home page.

You talk about us stealing information. Can you show us where we do not give full credit for the influences of others on our work? If you have read the Ringing Cedars books, can you show us where we have "stolen" from them without crediting them. If you ever read our work, particularly our work about the remedy to "The System" and all the insights that come with it, you will find that very little of it comes from the Ringing Cedars books. It is all uniquely created by us. Why would we promote them so heavily if we were taking all our work from them? Doesn't really seem logical, does it?

We deal with thousands of people every year, one to one, either face to face or over the phone or the internet and the greatest part of those conversations are about the insights and remedy we have to share, for free without a fee. We still get up to a thousand emails a day and are just physically unable to deal with them, hence auto replies with links to lots of information. If they could just get everything we talk about by reading the Ringing Cedars books, or anyone else's books, videos, etc, why are we so flooded? It has been like this for many years now. The website is going to hit over 200 million visitors by the middle of next year. And then there are the YouTube comments, etc, so we try to direct people to Facebook, YouTube & Love For Life website to handle the amount of traffic.

We recognise that we are all compromised by our reliance on "The System" and that there is a need for a transition phase as we wean our lives out of "The System", but this does not mean using another man-made system. It means using what we can of the current system to get out of it as soon as we can, which is what we are doing with others. What we stand for is a win win situation for ALL, including YOU, Max. Have you got a problem with that? There are no winners in The System", not even those at the top of the heap. We live for creating sanctuaries for everybody so that everybody has somewhere safe to go.

You are one of the people at the forefront of the freedom/truth/consciousness movement, connecting with people everywhere who are passionate about freedom and truth, etc. So how come you aren't interested in what people like us who are intensely passionate about freedom, truth, etc, with an overall internet presence as busy as ours, have to say about freedom, truth, etc. You may not agree with what we say, but surely it is negligent of you to not put a little effort into learning about where we are coming from, what we have been through and why we are doing what we are doing. And yet all you do is blatantly attack us, month after month, while admitting that you never read our work or watch our videos (so you say). All the energy you put into us is about attack, not into the information we share, scrutinising what we say through discussion and debate and finding fault so that we can all learn together and keep moving forward to truth and freedom without a man-made system. Why is that, Max? Why are you so unwilling to come near us? We know why. Anyone smell a rat?

Is it because you think you can use the muscle power of your internet presence to bully us, trick us and influence people against us. Is this controlled opposition we are experiencing here? (And we know how agents work together from all "sides", even on Facebook, to set traps for their gullible naive victims.) Accusing us of being a cult is so predictable it is not funny. Did you think of that yourself or was that the instruction you were given? If you really think we are forming a cult and that Arthur is a cult leader, you had better come down here and have a look for yourself. Why don't you have a chat with the many people who are working with us and us with them as a team effort? We cannot speak for them because we are not their masters or leaders.

We know that the remedy we promote is the greatest threat to the FORCE behind "The System" because it is all about turning away from "The System" in all its forms until we are no longer giving it any energy. Why are you so against people turning away from "The System"?

Just remember that you started this, of your own intention. You started the attacks and have continued the attacks. We would rather be out in the garden with our brothers and sisters than dealing with your destructive behaviour but we are not willing to sit back and let you keep posting unsubstantiated lies about us without challenging you and exposing truth for what it really is. You have the opportunity for a debate and, no matter what excuse you come up with, they are just the signs of avoidance, typical of a rat/agent.

Everything else that needs to be said has already been covered in previous discussions, links already provided.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

about an hour ago

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Simon Kaiwai

Katie Wright Whale Song

20 August at 03:09

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Simon Kaiwai

I do not agree with your presumption that Popes and Kings cannot be judged like other men, or are incapable of wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way, against holders of power … There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Historic responsibility must therefore make up for the want of legal responsibility.

Lord Acton, 1887

http://itccs.org

20 August at 03:11

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Simon Kaiwai

GuerillaMedia MrNews

20 August at 03:25

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Simon Kaiwai

US Military Caught Manipulating Social Media, Running Mass Propaganda Accounts
http://www.xomoxnyc.com/us-military-caught-manipulating-social-media-run...

20 August at 03:42

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Linda Sands

Kevin has dedicated years of his life doing this work

20 August at 03:47

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Jason Greenwood

Oppt and itccs are both impotent. This has been borne out over time. Both are a distraction IMO and they cause truthers to stand down as they believe it's 'sorted'.... Just my take.

20 August at 04:21

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Simon Kaiwai

ITCCS could be an example of a remedy in law which would require popular support. I don't read into it that everything is sorted at all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtFOpFgT64Y

20 August at 05:05

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Simon Kaiwai

OPPT appears to be a new age false solution coopting people who were on the periphery of action

20 August at 05:06

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Ben House-Of Thompson

I agree, OPPT and OCCUPY Both seemed to be well organized and probably a test to the energy of the people to turn out so they could best estimate what to expect come a global crash, given a global crash would effect the average you and I so an immediate remedy will need to step in, but not untill desperation takes hold, we will beg for it! Ohhh Well, Global problem, global solution, In steps digi-cash the electronic EFTPOS have UCC and Internationally agreed member states of world trade laws and the very same Banking oligarchies that engineered it all can now move in with the only answer that makes sense. It will have tax built in so nations can add their tax for their nation while easily sending larger tax thieves their cut of the funds straight to source. Crime will take a dive as cash deals will be a heap harder to do without time/place markers on the transaction, Our rights will dramatically take a dive as privacy and the obvious and blatant non lethal violence becomes a standard for law enforcement worse than now as property becomes more valuable than life. This scenario is one that is obvious and is all but here already, IF we the people don't form a common law basis to base our justice on and push back against corporate takeover of private and sacred things things like Fresh GE/GM Free Food, Clean Water, the right to basic utilities IE: power/communications/internet and warm safe shelter, Then these things will continue to be the things corporate government will use to enslave us all.

20 August at 05:34

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Ben House-Of Thompson

I call for a "Common Law Court Of Remedy" made by the People run by the people and run for the people, and let corporate government have their statutes and acts that bind the crown only anyway and we will hold them to every letter of THEIR statutes.

20 August at 05:39

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Tania Sullivan

I agree !!!

20 August at 05:55

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Arthur Cristian

Kevin Annett is also an "agent", one of the many "We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us" lackeys, deceivers. Do the background Google research on him, you might get shocked as to what he is really all about. He has no remedy (like they all do) to get MAN out of "The System". He just keeps you trapped in reactions to trauma (as they all do). To stop the fires of hell "The System" from raging you turn your back on it - don't give it your life-energy otherwise you feed it which you do when you react to trauma. A mass exodus out of "The System" in all its forms is to completely ignore everything of it and co-create Kindoms/Do No Harm Communities instead. Life is in our image.

20 August at 10:23

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Poppy Just-Poppy

True Arthur Cristian, that is one way and how do you propose to get people to do that en masse? I believe what Kevin Annett is doing is link in the chain of events that could possibly set us free. We have to meet people where they can see the life raft and I don't think that makes people an agent, otherwise we are all just agents and there is no hope.

20 August at 11:35

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Rob Kara

Every BE-ing needs to be told that they are FREE from the slavery system. Then BE-ings need to be taught how to self-organize and build a new world (system) in which to self-abide as one, together, forever.

20 August at 11:39

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Poppy Just-Poppy

Sounds a bit OPPT to me Rob. People need to 'know' they are free and not constantly be told and parented by others. Maybe they need to be mature, harmonise and do what their core essence can - which is to love, share and grow together with the best intentions. While the 'system' dominates however, the capacity to love, share and grow together becomes more of a survival and competitive process. The actual legal system to me is the cancer of society and cancer grows when it is fed. It takes a united front to stop doing this. This is why I like Kevin Annett's ideas that common sense and the 'do no harm', 'don't rip others off' ethics of common law seems to me to be a step in the right direction. People can step up to common sense any time they are ready. I support (naturally) lawful action that is like a super oxygen blast into the core of the primary cancer, through the vatican and beyond.

20 August at 11:55

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Rob Kara

Hi Poppy,

OPPT in my eyes is a Call for Divine Intervention. A Call for All BE-ings to finally serve God. Finally serve the God in each other.

Absolutely, all BE-ings need to recognize and transcend and ultimately enter into relationship (if they are not already) with Self, God, the Divine, Brahman, Jesus, Guru, Lover etc. All those things that turn or give attention to the true and Divine source condition of Reality, and free their energy and attention.

However this has never been taught at any level of normalcy in any system. Hegemonic, Self-Organized or whatever. In other words BE-ings have been taught that Reality is limited, suffering, individual, isolated, dark and unloving.

All BE-ings have an affinity for the truth however. This is so by virtue of BE-ing. In other words one can most certainly identify with suffering or pain or the feeling of BE-ing separate from the world and objects etc, but then the opposite is available to All BE-ings as well in that very same instance of identifying with suffering. Love, Non-separation, Prior Unity or Prior to problem or dilemma, whole and absoluteness. This is the quality that Yani's describe when sitting on a prickly bush for their daily meditation - lol.

So it's to encourage and demonstrate to other BE-ings that their IS this other quality to life other than presumed suffering (slavery system) and to nurture that feeling, that circumstance. Then the rest is nothing but God's work, self-organization self-organizing.

20 August at 12:17

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Poppy Just-Poppy

I agree with the ideals of what you are saying. The problem I have is with the roots of OPPT relating to the Rothchild's banking family and people of the BAR. Of course as the financial system will inevitably crash, the Rothchild's and their family will be working on a scheme that will look like it will save us all somehow. So to go along with the ideals so many people have and commercial remedy etc is something that these extremely dishonest bankers would do, therefore I caution people who think OPPT has their answers. The roots of the organisation are proving to come from a very corrupted place and have people caught up in the very attractive bright shining alluminati light as I see it. I was drawn to OPPT at first but it did not sit right and my inner guidance system showed me there was good reason for that.

20 August at 13:25

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Rob Kara, there is no god, at least not the god man speaks of, so there is no God, just old control systems of the mind working along side Government type physical entities! If there is a god (and there is not) he/she is a sadist and fascist pig of a created that reviles in the torment of anyone whom does not agree or believe! Thus IS NOT a religious issue, Every supposed Good or Evil is born in the hearts of man God and Devil is man capable of great love and great evil. It would not surprise me in the slightest if OPPT became a religious organisation and move more into spiritual type beliefs to make up for the one heaven that never happened and never will. There is nowhere else to go for OPPT to go but to the religious (name it what you will). ITCCS has a load of awesome work with a trail of non evidence and 2nd hand hearsay evidence that amounts to nothing every time! But the evidence that he gas tried at least to use common law to effect change which is one hell of a lot more than most us have ever done.

20 August at 13:54

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Arthur Cristian

Hi Poppy, briefly,....... How to establish Kindoms - this where our Love For Life work comes into it. Getting others to see/sense the natural path of.......... Life Is A Gift & Do No Harm ............. is critical because then they/we give up being self-centered and are living the dream of life, therefore, in present-sense we are already living for everyone else's freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc....., they/we've learnt to give up serving "i", "me", "mine", "own", etc.

[Read our posts/articles & watch our videos, etc - we are shorty to post Part 4 of the OPPT video series which goes into remedy in a big way - we finished the video in March this year but we've had ongoing hassles/disruptions getting the original music recorded and included in this video - we are on a massive learning curve and had a faulty PreSonus 1818VSL which set us back big-time - we did not know where to draw the line between our lack of audio experience and faulty equipment so we learnt the hard way and PreSonus finally came to the party to help us with upgrading equipment.]

Creating/re-creating a tribe of MAN to live this way again (stop being self-centered) just as our ancestors of "long-ago" did is critical - then comes the land. If we don't sort out all the self-centeredness issues then everyone will continue bringing their reactions to (story-telling of) trauma with them and into the dream of Kindom to sabotage it. Reactions to trauma makes them/us self-centered. We become in-divide-u-all-s, apart from freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc.... and inevitably from each other.

Reactions to trauma is how "The System" and everything of "The System" is constructed and is how we/they become self-centered. If we can't give up being self-centered (give up story-telling in all its forms) then we will never recreate Kindoms/Do No Harm Communities and will forever remain trapped and bound by the brilliantly crafted Freemasonic/Satanic glue that is "The System",...... their systems (story-telling) of enslavement. Story-telling (reactions to trauma) is ALL based in black-magic.

It wasn't pieces of paper and whatever was scribbled and marked on them that invaded our ancestors lands to rape, pillage, plunder, humiliate, ridicule, abuse, torture and cause mass genocide/murder to them and it will not be pieces of paper and electronic digital data that will set everyone free either and this includes everyone who uses alphabet languages to communicate the story-telling of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, because they are ALL trauma based too.

In present-sense, we have to use our senses to see/sense past all this non-sense (reactions to trauma) - example: the thought of freedom is not freedom, the thought of God is not God, the thought of Roman Catholic Church is not the Roman Catholic Church, the thought of Simon Kawai is not Simon Kawai, etc, etc, ........ All thoughts are images and in present-sense it is the life we set into motion and into (we gift/give to) the dream/thought of freedom that has us already be free.

Why are we fighting for freedom when we already are free? (just turn our backs on story-telling and walk-away from it - stop giving story-telling power over our lives by our compliance/attachment/belief/worship to/in it - this is our freedom set into motion setting us free in present-sense)

Why are we giving our life-energy to the story-telling of freedom, peace, truth, joy, abundance, etc, when we already are free, are peace, are truth, are joy, are abundance, etc?????

You see/sense, it's when we get hooked/sucked/seduced/conned into the story-telling of whatever we believe-in/worship about our relationship to freedom, to peace, to joy, to peace, to abundance, etc, that we give up being free, etc, in present-sense. Now we are the rats following the story-telling Pied Piper (We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us Agents/Lackeys/Deceivers/etc), rats who have fallen over the cliff and into our "living-dead state", fighting for our freedom, etc, inside the "stories" we've become part of, are acting/performing/believing-in-them, because we think/imagine that we don't already have freedom, etc, in present-sense. We are now trapped in the black-magic "time-codes" constructed/crafted by Freemasons/Satanists.

Watch out for the Freemasons/Satanists duality construct/tool/instrument in all its deceptive forms. We cannot perform Alice (you/we) in Wonderland ("The System") unless we perform it in present sense. Kevin Annett (a Pied Piper) with all his story-telling keeps you stuck/lost/trapped in "The System". Same with the story-telling of David Icke, Benjamin Fullford, Alex Jones, Max Igan, etc, (thousands of them coming at you no matter which way you turn/think in "The System"). Through story-telling (reactions to trauma like 9/11, 7/7, vaccinations, MSG, Fracking, Global Warming, Economy, Banksters, Rothschilds, Illuminati, Aliens, Shapeshifters, UFO's, etc, etc, tens of thousands of story-telling injustice/harm/wrong-doing, lies, deceptions, etc) they keep you trapped in the story (that ONLY exists in "The System" - not in/of Nature/Earth) which binds you ever so tightly to "The System". In present-sense, we have given up (forgotten/rejected/ignored) who we really are & are part of for stories of your/our freedom, truth, peace, joy, peace, abundance, etc, attached to the story-telling these deceivers peddle like the Roman Catholic Church with its Pope and sexual abuse and ritual slaughter of innocent children, etc.

Much more on this is explained in the posts/comments posted in the Love For Life link provided below. Almost everyone is trapped in the reflections/shadows/mirrors of "intellectual property" that are just thoughts, ideas & e-motions of others telling you/them/us how to think, feel and act about our freedom, truth, etc. This is not freedom. While we are trapped in the story-telling of these black-magic warlocks/witches we have given up being present to freedom, truth, joy, etc in present-sense. We are now trapped in the story-telling of our freedom, peace, joy, abundance, etc, and are at the effect of whatever happens in the stories that we are emotionally addicted too. hence, a MAN acting as Jew will do harm to a MAN acting as Christian or Palestinian, etc. Again, all this is reaction to trauma.

We will never find our freedom, joy, etc, in stories because they keep as from being freedom, truth, etc, in present-sense.

Do you comprehend this cleverly crafted deception Poppy???? There is no freedom in the stories peddled by story-tellers. Our freedom does not exist in the fiction/illusion (thoughts/images) of OPPT or God or Roman Catholic Church. Ideas of freedom, etc, is not freedom.

OPPT, God & Roman Catholic Church do not exist, never have & never will, neither does our freedom, truth, peace, etc, exist in these stories either. You/we gave up our freedom, etc, for the stories of our freedom made up by others telling us how, to think, feel and act. In present-sense, there is no direct experience of our freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc.

Example about "my" "birthday" "tomorrow":

Gees, we are so deeply compromised Poppy - have been working hard with the children and Fiona to drum this in to all of us and all our friends, etc, (in the "stories" of "story-telling" what a pain in the ass "I" must be - LOL) that we must get past all man-made constructs/concepts to do with "time" because we (MAN) have the power/gift of life to set what we think/feel into motion, thus in present-sense we become in those images, so when we set "time" (codes) into motion we start turning off our (MANS) eternal genes/dna/cells as we begin the descent of our journey into our fallen (imagined) dead "state" (living-dead), of our own making. To think our ancestors, who fell into this non-sense of "time", began our fallen "state" into the "story-telling-of-death" and we, the descendants continue the legacy of MANS (our ancestors) death. Time does not exist. Time is ONLY make-believe. Best we give up celebrating/worshiping/believing-in make-believe Birthdays, Easter, Christmas, 9 to 5, calendars, days, months, years, yesterday, tomorrow, seasons, history/his-story/her-story, etc, etc, and just celebrate LIFE in present-sense. Then "The System" with all its/our reactions to trauma fades away from our focus forevermore. "Time" is trauma based and worshiping time is a reaction to trauma ("The System") thus we give it our life-energy. Our reaction to trauma constructs "The System".

Freedom is not a destination - only the illusion of freedom is, unfortunately the illusion of freedom (as in the story of OPPT) can never be arrived at, it will always be at arms length from you. This is what story-telling (reactions to trauma) do to us/you.

The greatest lie/liar/deceiver is the one closest to truth, freedom, peace, etc..... Watch out for them.

More on how to get out of "The System" in present-sense is here:

So You Want The Good Bits Of "The System"
But Not The Bad Bits?

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 12th August 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8468

20 August at 17:58

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Ben House-Of Thompson

The things you speak of are dream land rubbish, great for movies but the world isn't filled with clones of Arthur, what do you mean get rid of all man made constructs WE ARE MAN? And time? What planet is seriously ever going to come close to what you mention? Either your list in a delusional dream or read to many books or watched to many movies or both. This is not meant as an insult but more of a Get Real message.

20 August at 14:02

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Time is make believe, nothing is real, the rhetoric of every cult leader since Charles Manson... Your words Arthur look very familiar! Can I ask if you have a following at all?

20 August at 14:07

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Poppy Just-Poppy

I can see a lot of value in what you are saying Arthur Cristian but also that people are very far off from that way of thinking and I admit that I have trouble grasping what you are saying. I can relate to bits and pieces but do relate more to simplicity. I acknowledge that it is human belief systems that cause our trauma and even our death and getting beyond the belief system in physical form is not entirely possible. I see the system and legal system as the cancer of society. My understanding of healing cancer in a system is the undoing of what created it - by belief and what the body was fed or the toxins the body was prone to as a result. Therefore I can only see MAN evolving together in the undoing of that. That cancer needs to be relied on for our life is an illusion. It needs a whole lot of doses of hyperoxygenation (truth and love) from every angle to bring back health to the whole system. I don't think it can be looked at in terms of good and bad, it's more like life or death to me.

20 August at 14:13

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Yes Poppy, I agree fully, your version requires responsibility by those that created the system IE: "We the People" and we allowed the system to grow out of control through slight of language and greed envious men and woman, it is we the people that must undo the system and redeem the system and force the system to heal via restitution and redemption and that one we are all so very afraid of "Forgiveness". This model makes further exploits much much harder to achieve. Redemption of the system must start with law and the judiciary and seeing those in high places account for the office kindly entrusted to them by We the people!

20 August at 14:22

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Ben House-Of Thompson

The onus us on us to bring available remedy not to attempt a new control mechanising system.

20 August at 14:24

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Rob Kara

All BE-ings including physical and non-physical BE-ings identify with attention or a presumed Reality. In human BE-ings cases we believe we are born into a something and that we exit a something. Our peers (family and friends) and Reality itself including physical nature (cosmic Reality) mimics this behavior. For example, one can perceive an animal living and then finally dying or a river changing course because an earthquake has shifted land. These experiences help BE-ings to survive and perpetuate itself in Reality. This notion of something coming In, getting processed and finally changing or producing and output is the basis for All human presumptions about how Reality works. This presumption has been carried and maintained with human civilization for an eternity hence All cultures mimic a society or system based on the presumption that something goes in, something gets processed, and finally something gets output.

This is the "false" presumption about how Reality works.

Luckily! And probably Divine Intervention there is help.

In order for any "false" presumption to be "true" that is to say if an apparent "I", "He", "She", "Me", "My" or self-reflective BE-ing gestures or proclaims or informs or announces It-Self or an apparent "tribe", "collective", "organization", "group", "company" or gathering of people or self-reflective BE-ings gestures or proclaims or informs or announces It-Self then the "true" presumption must simultaneously BE so or "true".

"true" presumption

The "true" presumption is that which is prior to a "false" presumption(s). The "true" presumption is that which exists prior to dilemma or cause or effect or any notion of something going in, getting processed and something getting output. The "true" presumption is the happening of all "apparent" things simultaneously or Reality arising!

This is why great ancients and saints have all confessed to BE-ings to Not meditate on the contents itself but to surrender the contents to their source or the Divine.

So there is hope for everyone, but everyone must locate and talk about this "true" presumption and ultimately not themselves. For eternity man has only ever looked in the mirror and admired himself never not knowing his true self. So any suggestions about change that aren't centred in this presumption this "true" presumption will probably only lead to more pain and suffering ...

20 August at 15:30

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Ben House-Of Thompson

What a load of old nonsense, what is with the capital BE in some words like BEing? I have seen OPPT people use this weird way of confusing language. What is the point of it. BEing and DOing mean the same things with the capital letters?

20 August at 15:27

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Ben House-Of Thompson

I believe somehow this has managed to say nothing at all in spite of it BE-ing long and drawn out, I mean "for any false presumption to be true or any self-reflecting BE-ing gestures that proclaims or announces itself then the true presumption must be so true" I mean what an enormous gigantic poly formed confusionist idea of common lunacy is this? The question here incase 1 or 2 are confused is the lie and deception of OPPT and the truth and remedy found in ITCCS as far as standing on solid lawful principles!

20 August at 15:52

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Arthur Cristian

Ben - you are a fully paid up member of the cult called "The System". You worship their mantras, fail to see the contradictions of their words and cling onto your belief in its "realness". Can you prove that time exists?

20 August at 17:15

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Arthur Cristian

@ Rob, we recognise your good intentions but you wrap them all up in "story-telling" - there is very little direct experience going on here. Re-presenting "intellectual property" (story-telling) is not the basis of truth/fact. Is the sensory life-form a daffodil and is yellow? Did the sensory life-form (a direct experience) tell you it was a daffodil and is yellow or are you just parroting what others told you about it? You talk/write as a 3rd party, re-presenting story-telling on behalf of the earthquake, divine, cosmic reality, dying, survival, source, divine intervention, etc...... which are not present amongst the living as 1st parties. All we have is you performing the story-telling of earthquake, etc......

20 August at 17:28

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Arthur Cristian

Ben, you are complicit in living the lie of "The System" - you say "Redemption of the system must start with law and the judiciary and seeing those in high places account for the office kindly entrusted to them by We the people!"..... yet, and bar MAN, "the law", "the judiciary", "office", etc. DO NOT EXIST. You are basing your argument and remedy on lies, on fictions (fantasies, illusions, delusions) that do not exist. You obviously support the continuation of brainwashing men, women, and children to become cogs (slaves, labourers, white & blue collar workers, etc) in the wheels of "The System" progress of its man-made civilisation.... and out of all this comes immense harm to MAN, Earth, Nature.

Also, MAN is not a construct/concept. In present-sense, MAN is already evident as are all sensory life-forms evident (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see). Sensory life-forms do not require Education for others to experience them directly. ONLY "The System" and everything of it requires education because they are all make-believe, they do not exist, hense education so that the brainwashed can perform Alice in Wonderland. MAN exists regardless of education. But nothing of "The System" including it exists. It is not evident. This is why "The System" and everything (concepts/constructs) of it requires education (brainwashing/braindirtying).

20 August at 18:10

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Arthur Cristian

Poppy, we sense your sentiments and insights. Simplicity comes the more we contemplate and scrutinise information shared. Go where the logic of truth takes you, Use scrutiny like a bliow torch - put all belifs and information to the test - see if they stack up. If you want to have a lengthy chat over a land-line send us your land-line number and we'll call you using the internet phone. If yes, send us your number via FB PM. What are good "times" to call you in NZ.

20 August at 17:54

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Arthur, your full of shit and don't know from a bar of shit, the fact that you presume do shows how willing you are to make judgments off the top of your head and I'm sick to the back teeth of people like yourself either attacking or personally make outlandish statements with no facts whatsoever ever! This is more than enough evidence to show how lost, dazed and confused you really are, you have NO remedy neither do you do anything even close to the the people you so wrongly and incorrectly judge (to your absolute shame).

20 August at 18:01 via mobile

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Ben House-Of Thompson

OMG then you proceed in saying the judiciary don't exist and you call me deluded, I can prove they exist as I can prove they do indeed exist and you can not prove they don't, I think any further claims from you is to be ignored as cult and counter productive.

20 August at 18:05

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Just because you say the sky is orange doesn't make it so! But if your going to claim I am seeing a blue sky makes me deluded because according to you the sky is tartan, I can safely ignore your unsound doctrine of toilet water and cult like belief system, unlike your members I need not your approval nor your agreement, I have great big shoulders and can take your cultish fish food of advice for what it's worth, nothing! Empty and confused poor fellow.

20 August at 18:13

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Ben House-Of Thompson

If the reason my suggestion of redemption is null because it doesn't exist as time doesn't exist etc, then what is your remedy (don't know why I expect a reasonable sane answer here) keeping in mind the people that came and arrested you and your wife don't actually exist in your opinion????

20 August at 18:32

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Ben House-Of Thompson

And if time doesn't exist then what time is your computer keeping? If there is no time then simply send me an answer on this thread earlier than now? I don't care exactly when (cause there is no time, right?) just before any of my post would be good. You WILL find in REALITY you can't do this because of the existence and law of time which you simply have no choice but to OBEY (like a slave).

20 August at 18:38

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Ben McEvoy

Very cruel, Simon. You shouldn't encourage these people to fight, just for your own amusement. This is just "bum fights" for the criminally credulous. You should at least provide tinfoil hats for protection.

Having said that, I must admit I'm hooked. Do any of them ever say anything comprehensible?

20 August at 18:39

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Sorry if my post's are grammatically and linguistically challenged, I am poking at a tiny phone keyboard that keeps spell checking and replacing words along with the speed I wish to shove those words up Arthur's reason challenging statements of absurdity and the new age OPPT convert's equally non answer to common law remedy! Why can people not stay on topic of common law and ITCCS and the attempt to hold a jurisdiction that has standing without people's belief systems being rammed down ya throat?

20 August at 18:52

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Rob Kara

Well to put it simply ... the Light is either on or its not.

20 August at 20:36

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Ben McEvoy

No, no Ben, it's not your grammar or linguistics that are challenged, it's your content.

This last comment is particularly exquisite: "please accept my belief system without talking about your belief system!" A triumph of ironic idiocy on your part.

And all the while, the entire discussion exists only on the fringe of even the most hysterical of conspiracy groups. It must be somewhat depressing to be so passionate about something which matters not one whit.

20 August at 21:57

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Ben House-Of Thompson

I didn't have a belief system just an idea on what we could possibly base a common law remedy? The quote I gave was from Arthur's post? Not my belief system?

20 August at 21:03

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Ben House-Of Thompson

My conclusion so far was that there was two other options of which I answered to, one that defies reason the other a religious one! And yours which gave no view but to down all views?

20 August at 21:07

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Ben House-Of Thompson

My last comment was " why can't people stay on subject" I offered no belief system?

20 August at 21:09

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Do you have a remedy that speaks to Simons Post? I wonder?

20 August at 21:10

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Exposing child raping and murdering priests being exposed may seem a small fringe thing to you, but to me Kevin Annett has exposed more of what is proven to be factual than any one or any other person I know. Using lawful remedy is where my interest lays, I couldn't give 2 shits v

20 August at 21:19

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Max Igan

Dont attempt arguing with arthur Ben, any observation of his M/O strongly suggests him to be a divisionist with a solid agenda of getting people to buy into his commune while leaving the system alone to destroy the world... he is careful to make it look good on the surface but then always reverts back to the Roman/Vatican programming he is running. He is also careful to drop many of the right keywords but if you notice, he then often acts quite the opposite to his own words, even in the same post... for example you will notice how he borrows from my shows and preaches "do no harm" but then, in plain view, constantly and repeatedly does whatever harm he can to almost any other researcher you can name, by making false accusations against them without ever offering any proof of claim... for example just calling Annet an agent offhand, without ever showing the proof or papertrail that proves this accusation as if he is all knowing and possibly privvy to some inside information and someone we all should listen to, and then always, always cleverly crafting the conversation back to "kindoms" which mean joining his commune - but without ever addressing the matter of government control and perceived ownership of land. He has also made many videos often containing underlying tones of hatred and disinformation directed at other researchers and I am told he also has many pages of finger pointing and self proclaimed glory on his website. Its best to just leave him be and dont get into arguments with him. He probably has a good heart in there somewhere as I belive most do, but unfortunately his programming (and it would appear that its mostly self programming) runs very deep.

20 August at 22:19

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Yup, thanks Max, Simon and I are calling out to see how many agents, divisionist's and the like will answer and have a shot at us, so far we have at least 5 that appear out of the blue and usually either get stuck into insults (we got thick skin) and attacks on those actually doing something in society, it is worth identifying these people and Simon has discovered some pretty complex techniques these troll agents are using! Thanks again Max, peace brother...

20 August at 22:28

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Max Igan

as I have often said, in regard to the OPPT, I think everything other than the one oppt filing that claims if you "be" you are free, is pure noise... actually Im being interviewed on a show that I believe may be OPPT oriented in about 8 hours from now... it may be an interesting discussion...

20 August at 22:50

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Ben House-Of Thompson

do you have a link to that interview Max? will love to watch/listen...

20 August at 22:55

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Max Igan

Hour of Truth 9 - announcement - Max Igan - 20th/21st August 2013
http://oppthrvatska.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/hour-of-truth-9-announcemen...

20 August at 22:56

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Ben House-Of Thompson

TY, will set alarm for 8 hrs

20 August at 22:58

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Max Igan

as long as I wake up... it will be 7am for me... not very well atm...better go to bed now... night all ((( group hug )))

20 August at 22:58

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Arthur Cristian

Ben, bring forward the first party "time" to back your claim that "time" exists. Lets hear it from "time", from "times" tongue. Lets have a direct sensory (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) experience with "time", first party to first party.

Where are the children of "time" playing?

Where is "time's" ancestors buried?

What is the location/address of "time" so we can visit "time", sit under a tree with "time" having lots of laughs, a bite to eat and a drink together?

What does "time" do for nature/earth that aids nature/earth in rolling along here and now?

What of nature/earth (sensory life form inanimate or not) needs "time" to exist so they may exist?

Would we all suffer and die if "time" did not exist?

Where can millions of innocent children, not exposed to "The System" or to anyone exposed to "The System" go anywhere in nature/earth to learn about "time" without anyone having to explain (educate/brainwash/story-telling) "time" to them?

Re-presenting/performing the story-telling of "time" is not proof of fact that "time" exists.

Also, we have no belief (we do not peddle beliefs). Truth is evident, is sensory.

All lies are NON-SENSORY, are NON-SENSE.

We have already provided links where you can explore remedy - it is up to you to put the effort in, if you want to.

As to what our views are, if you comprehended what we have shared in this thread you will sense/see that we have already answered Simon very clearly.

Common Law is NOT a remedy.

To back what we've shared in this thread, would you like to have a live debate with us, recorded for uploading to YouTube, etc. Let's also put what you have claimed to the "test", let's see them stack up. How about it?

21 August at 00:45

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Arthur Cristian

http://www.genuinewitty.com/2012/08/30/kevin-annett-doesnt-only-steal-su...

Kevin Annett Doesn't Only Steal Survivor's Stories (He steals their signatures too...)
www.genuinewitty.com

http://stopkevinannett.wordpress.com/page/6/
Kevin Annett Must Be Stopped
stopkevinannett.wordpress.com

http://www.bc.united-church.ca/content/formal-hearing-panel-decision
Formal Hearing Panel Decision | The United Church of Canada
www.bc.united-church.ca

http://www.bc.united-church.ca/content/KA-oct-1997
Amnesty International is in no way involved in the "case" | The United Church of Canada
www.bc.united-church.ca

http://www.bc.united-church.ca/content/kevin-annett
Responses to claims made by Kevin Annett | The United Church of Canada
www.bc.united-church.ca
The following are the official BC Conference responses to claims made by Kevin Annett and articles in community newspapers.

http://browse.feedreader.com/c/Pagan_Media_That_Bites_Com
Pagan Media That Bites.ComPagan Media That Bites.Com @ Feedreader Browser
browse.feedreader.com

For whatever reason, it appears www.PaganMediaBites.com website has been taken down - for years this website (based in Canada) had heaps of background info on Kevin Annett.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/peoplesvoices/2012/11/23/prof-jim-craven-wi...
Prof Jim Craven Will Speak To His Kevin Annett Experience
www.blogtalkradio.com

http://sisis.nativeweb.org/resschool/sep2898coj.html
Sep 28/98: Public notice from Circle of Justice
sisis.nativeweb.org

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1231.5;wap2
The Concerns about Annett
www.newagefraud.org

http://ndhr.ca/old/documents/black_robe.php

National Day of Healing and Reconciliation
ndhr.ca
Former church minister solicits Survivors' stories, misuses names.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sovernspeakout/message/11336
Yahoo! Groups

This appears to be paganmediabites latest website: http://www.zurker.com/paganmediathatbites
http://www.zurker.com/paganmediathatbites
www.zurker.com

https://twitter.com/PaganMediaBites/status/339745830586167296/photo/1
Twitter / PaganMediaBites:

http://www.united-church.ca/aboriginal/schools/statements/annett
Kevin Annett and The United Church of Canada | The United Church of Canada
www.united-church.ca
Kevin Annett has made a number of statements about the United Church and its role...

Mohawk Elders declare their relationship with Kevin Annett. May 29, 2012.
http://youtu.be/XOYWEi6lXCI
Kevin Annett ITCCS and Mohawk Elders
www.youtube.com
Mohawk Elders declare their relationship with Kevin Annett. May 29, 2012.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/peoplesvoices/2012/10/18/aptn-discussion-on...
APTN Discussion On First Nations Graves & Kevin Annett
www.blogtalkradio.com

21 August at 02:14

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Simon Kaiwai

Arthur - it takes more than googling and posting what you find to ensure one is not propogating disinformation. RE: the United Church "formal panel hearing" did you listen to the account of the witness who sat through that? It was reported as a sham process with the aims of protecting the church and discrediting Kevin.

The stopkevinannett and genuine witty sites are part of a concerted effort by at least 3 individuals whom have all the hallmarks of professional trolls. They don't put up evidence but have forged documents and reframed the argument to such a small question "those bones" to belittle the larger question which is: are those of the land in what is known as Canada suffering a many fronted cultural genocide? And who is involved and responsible for these crimes against humanity? And how can they be held to account? And what are the initial steps to doing this? Kevin Annett has provided a very logical, well reasoned, courageous and dedicated example for those that care to see the forest through the trees.

I encourage you to look deeper into the origins and timeline surrounding Kevin Annett and the ITCCS before reposting carelessly - if they are untruths or misleading then this in itself is a cause for harm. Can you see that?

21 August at 03:47

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Simon Kaiwai

Rob - thank you for providing your perspective which seems to align with OPPT. I agree with Poppy on it that "what is bad in the beginning cannot be made good in the end". OPPT is based on legal fiction and creating some imaginary value abstracted from nature. How can this ever create a pathway to our natural way of being? Sure heaps of people interpret it that way and promote it to others that way but these people are just telling stories as Arthur puts it. Lets cut the the case and focus on what is real and what we can effect change on.

21 August at 03:53

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Simon Kaiwai

Max - I appreciate you sharing that you do not support OPPT as a solution other than the claim if you "be" you are free. This seems to be a truism but what happens when we claim something that is anyway? Does it show uncertainty? Does it empower another party to be the grantor of that claim? I think it does. OPPT is a very clever distraction leading people from these inherent truths to more man made concepts and rules, entrapment, designed to curtail the knowledge of those that know enough to look for solutions to our common situation.

21 August at 04:02

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Simon Kaiwai

Ben House-Of Thompson - thanks for bringing the comments back to the topic at hand and for your thoughts

21 August at 04:03

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Simon Kaiwai

Ben McEvoy - This is a real topic with many contributions. I included you to get the mainstream viewpoint which you so consistently re-present. There is something to see and learn here if you care to see. Do everyone a favor though and do relate it to the topic at hand.

21 August at 04:06

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Simon Kaiwai

If the people do suffer from a lack of knowledge AND we must have no fellowship with works of evil but expose them then this body of work that Kevin Annett has contributed is of benefit to a great many people. I don't ordain myself with the right to judge his personality but can discern the merits and wider applicability of things he has done. Common law courts are not a new concept, indeed a "grand jury" is just that as previously defined before deliberate legal misconstruction. If we want a more just society and those playing the roles of judiciary are not striving for those aim then an alternative must be sought. Common law courts are repeatable in every locality and I suggest Arthur - even a kindom will need a process for resolution that will use principles found in this process.

21 August at 04:14

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Max Igan

lol... see what I mean about Arthur? ... do no harm... yeah right...

21 August at 06:31

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Yea, Arthur is simple to see, like seeing a doggy do on the side of the road before you step in it and end up spending so much time getting it out of the crack's in the soul of your shoe. Takes way more time than just keeping an eye out. And like doggy do, one can see it and recognise it almost instantly by size, shape etc! His arguments are based in la la land and then he expects one to answer questions like prove time? BUT will not answer the time question I have already given. Total cult forming mind meld.

21 August at 11:26

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Also note that the many tired old long debunked sites that Arthur has spammed all over this thread are the same claims the troll's spread but with Arthur's cultish belief's.

21 August at 11:42

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Max Igan

I will post this mornings OPPT Croatia interview when I get time... please accept my apologies for any vagueness on my part during it. It was 7am and I have a stomach bug...

21 August at 11:52

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Ben House-Of Thompson

No prob, hope you ok, get well quickly Max,

21 August at 12:13

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Ben McEvoy

Simon, I have no interest in the topic at hand. It's hysterical fringe navel gazing IMHO.

I was, however, delighted to read your comment that it "takes more than googling and posting what you find to ensure one is not propagating disinformation".

Please retroactively apply this comment to the many recent times you have done just that. I'll also be quoting this one in future, no doubt

21 August at 12:13

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Why did you even comment then McEvoy? Is it to make you feel superior by attempting to belittle the greatest problem facing man today, IE the war on the mind or rather true information. You had and have nothing to contribute, which is probably a constant thing for you, yet still you provide nothing towards common law or lawful remedy (something you call fringe)! I don't get you? You just trolled this thread for no reason but to up your own self esteem ( is there any other reason to belittle others). Sad little man, go through someone else's toys out of someone else's sandbox.

21 August at 12:20

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Ben House-Of Thompson

I would repair the spelling but I could care less about spelling, the content is perfect.

21 August at 12:22

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Ben House-Of Thompson

PS, there is no need for your troll self to offer more valueless comments about how lawful remedy or common law are fringe and beneath your greatness, just go and use your greatness somewhere it may be of use! Pop music maybe? That isn't fringe, or may be you could be of use in the war effort, maybe you could help Inland Revenue, that is main stream and might better use your skill of attempted character assassination, I know Simon would have asked you in for a common sense reason reason, instead you joined the very fringe border line cult like individuals in their superior deluded views!

21 August at 12:35

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Unless it is OPPT and ITCCS that you speak of as fringe, in which case you missed the point completely!

21 August at 12:40

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Simon Kaiwai

Ben McEvoy - I stand by my posts that geoengineering is happening, that some vaccines harm and some appear to be designed that way, that moves are afoot to undermine the natural family, that mercury, flouride and gmos are bad for us, that climate fears are being propagated for a conspiracy. Have I left anything else out that you disagree with? Thanks anyway for providing your opinion on the topic of justice and remedy from the system: I would rather stare at my navel than willingly get the programming you receive via the TV, newspapers and people you must surround yourself with to hold such a consistent viewpoint with so many others that are not fearless enough to research these topics independently. Do you think the judicial system actually works fairly? Do you think the system is sustainable and increasingly egalitarian? Do you think we generally live in a time of peace and abundance?

21 August at 15:49

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Simon Kaiwai

Ben House-Of Thompson - please do not get abusive to Arthur - I know he is trying his best and contributing his knowledge freely. I am surprised he hasn't looked deeply into ITCCS and Kevin Annett.

21 August at 15:51

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Ben House-Of Thompson

i really wasn't trying to be abusive towards Arthur, but rather his kindom cult view is what I wished to abuse, if possible! I asked Arthur to prove the none existence of time by posting on this thread earlier than I, someone not having to obey the laws of time would have no problem doing such a thing as time is fantasy, and is not real! unless he himself is a slave to time as the rest of us, in which case he is talking doggy do,,,

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Max Igan

That interview has been posted above

21 August at 19:36

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Sorry Max where can i find your interview?

21 August at 19:38

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Ben House-Of Thompson

ohh no, my bad, i have it, TY Max

21 August at 19:39

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Dylan Chiang

My dream is to see Max Igan and Arthur Cristian as brothers again and one day working together- imagine the effect you guys could create together - both are soo unique with special gifts -- it soooo sucks to see you divided like this regardless of who is to blame or who is the -agent - come back home guys --in lakech

22 August at 01:15

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Max Igan

well you will have to talk to Arthur about that Dylan ... but Im sure that the day he begins respecting others, stops making false accusations and attacking people, stops promoting division, making hate videos about other researchers, telling lies, making up stories, stealing peoples research... all while preaching "do no harm" when its all he seems to do... and when he figures out that his way (...well, the portions of Vladamir Megre's way that he has stolen) is not the only way, realises that the way to fix our situation doesnt involve running and hiding in alternate communities and allowing the system to destroy the world around us ...and when he chooses to discard the roman God vs satan programming he is running, we will be able to actually have a conversation... I look forward to such a time... but somehow cannot see it happening... His own self programming just seems to run too deep and its likely his ego is too enormous for him to ever address the many issues he seems to have...

22 August at 14:46

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Arthur Cristian

It's very simple Max, we've asked you over and over again as we've asked David Icke (who we've known personally since 1996), Kevin Annett (since 2006), Benjamin Fulford, Jordan Maxwell, and many, many others, since 2005/2006, "Do You Stand For NO SYSTEM?" Just answer the question please, a simple Yes or No is all that is required. You have avoided answering this question.

The power of the Freemasonic/Satanic world comes from "The System", without it, they lose all power and control and either are forced to walk away and give up everything their brotherhoods/etc have worked so hard for since this non-sense started as "Egypt" (Ancient-Egypt) or continue going to war, performing their many versions of genocide, psychological attacks & other atrocities against all of MAN & MANS Nature/Earth, their brothers/sisters of life that we all are.

We know that all agents of the Freemasonic/Satanic world/agenda can't go against "The System" by standing for NO SYSTEM as their lives, their families, their standing in "society", their assets, etc, will be destroyed one way or another down-the-line. So far, all those who want "The System", which the NWO is all about under another guise, want "The System" under some kind of "Feel Good/God, Cosmic/Galactic Consciousness "Oneness" Glue guise, etc, a kind of "Star Trek Federation" in nature leading the way.

Since 2005, we have made it very clear to millions of people that we stand for NO SYSTEM and have explained why in great detail. Many of our Love For Life videos, articles, comments embrace this subject and expand on it in great detail.

To us, you are an agent that sold out long ago. Many thousands of people have written to us about you. Many people are waking up to the psychological tactics (warfare) being used to dumb down and desensitise MAN. You can throw all the lies at us about "cults" and "lies", etc, but we ignore this. TRUTH stands and many people are seeing through the "nice" facades which deceivers like you and David Icke have put up.

Put it this way Max, in debate no one has been able to debunk what we say. We've had many many hundreds and their claims get exposed for the lies they are. If you believe you have truth on your side then why don't you take us on in a debate Max? If you believe we are lying and are a cult, etc, lets have a live recorded debate aired on YouTube for all to see. Lets put it all to the test Max? Lets see how your claims and ours stack up Max. How about it?

How about attacking what we say, the info we share instead of attacking the MAN (includes Fiona). Refer to the posts since Feb 2013 when all this non-sense about "Anastasia", "Cults", "God vs Satan" programming", etc, started by Max. Max loves twisting everything we write into something that has nothing to do with our work, where we are coming from and our intentions. ALL Maxe's argumentative claims about us is BULLSHIT. Max loves creating a controversy where there isn't one. Max continues using slander wherever possible. And worst of all, Max admits over and over again that he does not read or watch our Love For Life work. So how does he know?

Everyone new to this scenario can read all discussions we've had with Max Igan since it started with OPPT in Feb this year here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8359 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8356 - we provide FULL-disclosure

Here is an article about Max's deceptive work:

A Spell Master At Work
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
21st April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8401

Posted in the Love For Life website December 2006, found near the bottom of any webpage throughout the website and on the home page:

The Cristian Family Declaration

The Cristian family and The Love for Life Campaign are apolitical, non-religious, non-violent, anti weapons, anti drugs (both pharmaceutical and recreational) and anti any ideology that denies the existence of Do No Harm Communities (Kindoms) and suppresses the uniqueness and freedom of all men, women and children.

The Cristian family and our Love For Life work is unaligned to any big business corporation, intelligence agency, government body, "system" law, "system" think tanks, "system" green or environmental movements, religion, cult, sect, society (fraternity, brotherhood, sisterhood, order, club, etc,) secret or not, hidden agenda, law or sovereignty group, occult, esoteric, New Age or Old Age.

The Cristian family supports and promotes the remedy that brings an everlasting peace, freedom, truth, joy, abundance and do no harm for all of life without causing loss of uniqueness or the need for having slaves and rulers. We are not into following the one in front or being sheeple. Most importantly, we take full-responsibility for everything we think, feel and do.

The Cristian family are not Christians.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

December 2006

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Arthur Cristian

Hi Simon, we have looked at ITCCS and it most definitely is not a remedy. Only takes one lie buried in amongst a mountain of truth to cause ALL the damage. If we do not rout out all lies then we will believe/think that the lie is truth and as we, MAN, have the power/gift of life to set thoughts/images into motion we give power to the lie to cause immense harm without realising. Do you realise what the lie in ITCCS is? How about we chat over the phone again, there is a lot of ground to cover? We have a background of dealing with Kevin since 2006, and have had many dealings with Canadian "Originals" - there is much to share with you. We can back everything we are saying Simon.

Love - Arthur & Fiona

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Simon Kaiwai

Sure I'd be happy to catchup on the phone again however the topic of ITCCS and a claimed "lie that is causing all the damage" is in the public interest and should be backed up with evidence or at least reasoned out. What damage are you referring to? What is the lie?

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Max Igan

lol... Of course I stand for no system Arthur as anyone and everyone who has ever listened to any of my work clearly knows... and, nice try at self promotion but no, I wont have you on the show as Im not willing to promote your divisionism and attempt "debating" with a self absorbed brick wall running roman programs who is intent on building his own cult.... besides, you dont really want a debate, you just want the publicity... and after reading your last post all I can say in response is that I thank you kindly for so eloquently illustrating the points I previously observed about you... Divisionism, hate mongering, false accusations and self glory... aw, you have even given me my own hate page on your website... how kind of you, all part of your "do no harm" policy no doubt? @LMAO at the "many thousands of emails you have received about me" ... "known david icke personally since '96" lol... what, did you meet him once at one of his talks? funny how he has never heard of you ...man you are so full of shit I can smell it from the north coast... good luck with your cult ...

12 hours ago

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Max Igan

oh and btw Arthur, we all know you love to mention other people on your site in hope of stealing whatever traffic you can get via searches of their names... but since you hate me so much, believe me to be an agent, my work to be "deceptive" and you are so intent on promoting infighting and divisionism... perhaps you should think twice before hosting my videos on your website...? just a thought...

4 hours ago

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Max Igan

... Hypocrite...

13 hours ago

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Max Igan

and Arthur, frankly Im sick of your false accusations., You have openly and publicly named me as an agent on several occasions now... so ok... gloves off... Lets see you walk your talk and "take full responsibility for everything you think, feel and do" ...if Im an agent, post the evidence here... REAL evidence mind you... not more of your rhetoric or any misguided "interpretations" you may have contructed in your own tiny mind, but hard, factual evidence to back up your claim... Show me. Show us all. Explain how you dare to constantly attack any other research and anyone who disagrees with you and show me the proof of your claim that I am an agent... show it now and stand as the "beacon of truth" you claim to be, ...or dont, and stand exposed, by your own actions and words, as the barefaced liar that you are, and as a person whose only goal is division and self promotion... Your choice.

11 hours ago

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Max Igan

Simon, sorry, I missed your earlier post directed to me... hopefully your questions to me regarding the OPPT and my views on it were answed with the Croatian radio interview I posted above.

11 hours ago

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Arthur, What is the LIE you refer to? Without writing a book (Again) , please answer the simple questions before prattling on about your REMEDY that seems will only work when there is NO system? so it will NEVER work then, is all your saying, and we should stop listening to you, fantasy is your truth NOT the truth.

11 hours ago

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Matthew Henwood

well...I'm waiting for the evidence... Max love your work brother.. keep it up..

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Arthur Cristian

Hi Simon, for starters ITCCS is in 'The System" - nothing of "The System can provide remedy because it is DEAD, is fiction, meaning it needs dumbed-down MAN, the living-dead, to perform for it. ONLY FORCE of MAN pulling out of "The System" returning to reality/life/nature/earth/SENSE can fix the issues at hand. We've explained these predicaments in great detail over and over again - even in our first post in this thread. Also, explore posts here like this one:

So You Want The Good Bits Of "The System"
But Not The Bad Bits?

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
12th August 2013
Link: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8468

If you want to chat over the phone to go into the finer details then lets do it.

4 hours ago

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Arthur Cristian

This is Fiona typing and Arthur sitting by her side.

OK MAX, lets go one step at a time, clearing the way forward. For starters, in Feb this year you made the accusation that Arthur lied to you about Anastasia and you said you had a recording of this conversation over the phone to back your claims about this lie. We are still waiting for you to back your claims because you have been relentless in lying about what was shared with you, information that was shared with many many many hundreds of people prior our chat and many many hundreds after this chat. The context of what was shared with you by Arthur is no different to everyone else who Arthur shared the experience with. Also the direct experience has been posted in the Love For Life website since around August 2007 onwards, it has never been taken down. We want to hear this recording Max. Show us how Arthur changed the context with you.

Be aware, we have never said anything publicly about you in anyway that could be regarded as "negative" until after your persistent attacks on our characters this year, and that was after we gave you plenty of time to back your claims about us. We only started talking about your agenda after you continued your campaign of ridicule against us with nothing to back your claims. As we have asked again and again; how do you know what we think and feel and what we stand for if you do not read our work????????? Is this why you can only throw insults, barbs and bait at us? Because you haven't a clue abut what we talk about so obviously cannot debate its merits. You are conducting a hate campaign about people you know very little about, people who have never harmed you and yet you accuse us of divisionism and hate-mongering without producing any evidence of this. Can you show us in our work where we say we want to cause divisionsim and hate mongering and where this intention can be seen clearly? Can you find the words we have written? But of course, to do that, you would actually have to read and watch the work.

Why do we say you are an agent, Max? Because of the behaviour we have just described. There are many good people out there who do not agree with what we say but they do not use this as an excuse to consistently and persistently come after us, even following us around FB threads to continue the abuse. We have never made it personal with you Max, and still do not hold anything against you personally. If you want to come and visit us, you are welcome, just as we welcome everyone who turns up, calls, writes, etc. Is that divisionsism? We don't waste our life-energy on hating you Max, we just think you are compromised and doing a terrible job, the job of making sure that you reinforce the idea that we cannot come together to get out of the mess that is "The System". Why do you state in a video full of hypnotic pictures with you talking in that very measured, hypnotic voice....."go back to sleep everyone, go back to sleep"..........

The subliminal nature of your work is massive and there are many who have commented on this aspect of your work to us, including experienced, professional hypnotherapists and clinical psychologists who have done the research into these kinds of Tavistock brainwashing techniques. Refer to our post above, with a link to the article "A Spell Master At Work". You show no goodwill, just attack, attack, attack, a tactic we have seen on many, many occasions by those who are there to cause controversy, take attention away from someone's message and generally try to stir up fear and distrust. Also, one of the foremost jobs of an agent is to discredit, discredit, discredit and you have been trying to discredit us for months on end when we have done nothing to harm you in the public domain. Why is that? We know it can't be because you do not agree with our work because you don't read it.

Almost all your work is based on the intellectual property of "The System" so, if you stand for no system as you say, you will have to revise a lot of what you are thinking and promoting and supporting. We have not seen or heard anything from you that supports what you are saying about standing for no system. When are you going to start living no system? Have you changed the way you think from when you posted comments on FB about supporting the Australian constitution in the manner of an Australian patriot who wants the constitution, common law, etc? Not that we are suggesting you have ever promoted the use of violence, carrying of guns, etc, the way many American patriots do because we have never heard any call to arms or violence from you. You also supported Ron Paul who is a system pawn as anyone who has done their homework knows.

Are you clear about what we are saying when we say "NO SYSTEM"? If you haven't read our work you might be mistaken into thinking that "NO SYSTEM" does not mean replacing this current version of "The System" with another version of a man-made system. Just to clarify, we mean no man-made system of any sort, no intellectual property ruling over our lives, no education, politics, govern-men-t, religion, commerce, law, etc. Are you saying that you also stand for men and women taking full responsibility (not limited) for land so that they have access to clean water, home grown food and space to build shelter without being answerable to anyone unless they have done harm? Are you saying that you stand for do no harm to all of life? If you are, then Dylan's wish will be answered for we will be behaving towards each other as brothers of life as we live for each other's freedom, truth, joy, abundance, peace, etc. As we have explained again and again, Kindom is a transition phase for us to learn to be free by taking full responsibility for our lives and the lives of those around us.

As for your claims about David Icke not knowing who we are - why don't you get your facts straight before you jump in to stir the pot instead of making yourself look foolish as you have done on other occasions when you flung accusations around only to be corrected by others who knew the facts because they were there. Have you been present in all our dealings with David? Have we ever talked to you about our dealings with David? Have you talked to anyone else who was present during our dealings with David? Were you aware that he stayed in our family home for a week in 1996 and even put on a talk in front of a small group of friends and associates? That we then kept in contact with him for some "time" and that he has also contacted us around two years ago. And before you get into accusing us of backstabbing him, you should be aware that we were totally upfront with David about what we feel his position is and about the Freemasonic/Satanic codes in his books well before we said anything publicly. We spoke to him on the phone and wrote to him as well, asking him to explain his situation and again when he contacted us around 2 years ago. Everything about this is on the Love For Life website. Why don't you bring forward David to back your claims Max?

Another accusation is that we have copied everything we talk about from the Ringing Cedars series. Again, how do you know this when you claim you have not read our work or watched our videos? We had already been talking about do no harm communities long before we read the books in July/August 2007. Yes, we got a lot from the books in terms of validation of what we had been saying and inspiration as to the possibilities of Kindom. What we do use are the words Kindom and Kin Domain, which are commonly used by many people, because we support the sentiments of Kindoms and Kin Domains as laid out in the books. But, again, you wouldn't know. The vast majority of our work consists of insights that are unique to us and that are not to be found in books, videos, etc. Which is why we have tens of thousands of people writing to us over the years thanking us for the clarity of those insights shared freely for all without exclusivity or privilege.

As for being on your show as a publicity exercise, when did we ever say or imply that we wanted to have a debate on your show? Can you show us where we said that? We are just talking about a chat over Skype or a land line that can be recorded and put up on YouTube for anyone who wants to hear it. You are not interested in having a debate, Max because then you would have to back your claims and, gasp, even refer to our work rather than just attacking us over and over again. You have no idea of the damage you have done to your credibility by continually coming after us. We have had many many people say to us that they liked you and your work before they saw the way you came after us behind the front of the OPPT debate, making everything personal and quite obviously setting out to discredit Arthur by harping on and on about the Anastasia incident, even long after we said to you that we couldn't care less if you want to go on and on about it.

What has also happened since then is that we now go out of our way to warn people about you and will continue to do so until we see you show up as someone who stands for truth, freedom, peace, joy, abundance, etc for ALL (including us) and see you let go of all the underhand, spiteful, manipulative, cunning behaviour that has you show up as anything but a man of peace, truth, etc. Anyone who has done enough research knows that the agents of "The System" work on all sides and no, of course we can't produce "evidence" as in official pieces of paper saying, "Max Igan is an agent". This is not how the Freemasonic/Satanic world operates; it is all about secrets, stealth, and sleight of hand but, just as you can learn to recognise the architecture of Freemasonry in plain sight, so you can learn to recognise the trademark behaviours of men and women sent in to cause confusion, controversy and chaos, all the while they murmur their mantras of peace brother. We also have good bullshit detectors that have never failed us, bullshit detectors that come from using senses. We have written a lot about this.

You have an influence on public thinking, Max and you are using the might of it to try to discredit us with no good reason, attack people who have done you no public harm. How convenient. Why is this? Why is it that you, who talks about peace, love consciousness and being brothers, consistently slander, accuse and attack, constantly making a hypocrite of yourself, with NOTHING to back your claims. This is the clear mark of an agent, as is your willingness to constantly come after us but refuse to face those you have accused and allow them to face their accuser in a debate. You are showing all the attributes of a coward, Max, another hallmark of a Freemasonic/Satanic agent.

The nice facade of Max Igan is being ripped away by your continued attacks on us and there are many who have eyes to see it. In fact, one interesting result of the OPPT debate was people, unconnected, calling us or writing to us to tell us about personal dealings with you that had left them scared of you. We have not said or written about this in the public domain because we were not present at the situations discussed, do not know you well personally to know if what we have heard is likely to be true and because it is not our business to expose in the public domain. However, we have certainly been getting a taste of the weight of your bullying tactics and your nastiness. We had our private suspicions about you and it seems that the bullshit detectors were working well - thank you for confirming our gut instincts.

Yes, we have an influence on public thinking too and we say what we think about people who seem to be there for the wrong reasons BUT, we stick to the logic of pointing out where in what they say and do they are still promoting and supporting harm. We do not go after the characters of the men and women and do not attack who they are. We do not wish ill upon them or their families but we are not willing to let them escape from the curses of their own making.

As we have said many times, every lie is a curse and every liar has to process the curse of his/her making. We realise the consequences of lying and therefore speak the truth of what we think and feel. We are not willing to process the curses and refuse to take on the curses of another's making. Anyone who lies about us will not be able to escape the consequences of making that curse because we will not process it for them. We are and always have been, totally transparent about who we are and what we stand for. With us, there are no hidden agendas. How about you, Max?

We have left your information up for all to see because we stand for freedom of expression, speech and thought. People should be allowed to read what they choose and come to whatever conclusions they chose. We leave all sides up and do not censor posts unless they are just chronic foul language, gobbledygook or posts containing links to advertisements. In all the years of Love For Life, out of the many thousands of comments posted we would have censored less than 10. Kings, Queens, Prime Ministers, Presidents and the Pope can post whatever they like, as can Joe Blow from down the road, because we do not control the outcome of people's thinking which is why we leave up the posts where people write all the things they hate about us and our work. Even the most terrible things said about what they they wanted to do (or see happen) to Fiona and the children (and Arthur) are left up. There is a vast amount of information on the Love For Life website that we do not agree with but we leave it up because we are not into censorship and we are not control freaks, or biased. This is very different for someone like you who removes a Facebook friendship with us, as you did. Is this not censorship and divisionsim and hatred, considering the circumstances of what was transpiring with you?

Have you noticed that everything you have said about us is exposed on the Love For Life website and that we regularly refer people to the debates we have had? We are not afraid of people reading what you say about us. They can use their brains and come to their own conclusions.

We do not censor people's views, including yours. Did you know that the Jewish Board of Deputies (the most powerful Jewish lobby group in Australia, so we've been told) tried to close down the Love For Life website in 2009 by accusing us of being anti-Semitic? They gave up within hours because they realised that they were welcome to post anything they wanted to say about us on the website, without censorship. They were also flooded by thousands of people in those few hours. We are not anti-jew and not anti-anyone. Is this hatred and divisionism? Links to this event are found on the Love For Life home page.

You talk about us stealing information. Can you show us where we do not give full credit for the influences of others on our work? If you have read the Ringing Cedars books, can you show us where we have "stolen" from them without crediting them. If you ever read our work, particularly our work about the remedy to "The System" and all the insights that come with it, you will find that very little of it comes from the Ringing Cedars books. It is all uniquely created by us. Why would we promote them so heavily if we were taking all our work from them? Doesn't really seem logical, does it?

We deal with thousands of people every year, one to one, either face to face or over the phone or the internet and the greatest part of those conversations are about the insights and remedy we have to share, for free without a fee. We still get up to a thousand emails a day and are just physically unable to deal with them, hence auto replies with links to lots of information. If they could just get everything we talk about by reading the Ringing Cedars books, or anyone else's books, videos, etc, why are we so flooded? It has been like this for many years now. The website is going to hit over 200 million visitors by the middle of next year. And then there are the YouTube comments, etc, so we try to direct people to Facebook, YouTube & Love For Life website to handle the amount of traffic.

We recognise that we are all compromised by our reliance on "The System" and that there is a need for a transition phase as we wean our lives out of "The System", but this does not mean using another man-made system. It means using what we can of the current system to get out of it as soon as we can, which is what we are doing with others. What we stand for is a win win situation for ALL, including YOU, Max. Have you got a problem with that? There are no winners in The System", not even those at the top of the heap. We live for creating sanctuaries for everybody so that everybody has somewhere safe to go.

You are one of the people at the forefront of the freedom/truth/consciousness movement, connecting with people everywhere who are passionate about freedom and truth, etc. So how come you aren't interested in what people like us who are intensely passionate about freedom, truth, etc, with an overall internet presence as busy as ours, have to say about freedom, truth, etc. You may not agree with what we say, but surely it is negligent of you to not put a little effort into learning about where we are coming from, what we have been through and why we are doing what we are doing. And yet all you do is blatantly attack us, month after month, while admitting that you never read our work or watch our videos (so you say). All the energy you put into us is about attack, not into the information we share, scrutinising what we say through discussion and debate and finding fault so that we can all learn together and keep moving forward to truth and freedom without a man-made system. Why is that, Max? Why are you so unwilling to come near us? We know why. Anyone smell a rat?

Is it because you think you can use the muscle power of your internet presence to bully us, trick us and influence people against us. Is this controlled opposition we are experiencing here? (And we know how agents work together from all "sides", even on Facebook, to set traps for their gullible naive victims.) Accusing us of being a cult is so predictable it is not funny. Did you think of that yourself or was that the instruction you were given? If you really think we are forming a cult and that Arthur is a cult leader, you had better come down here and have a look for yourself. Why don't you have a chat with the many people who are working with us and us with them as a team effort? We cannot speak for them because we are not their masters or leaders.

We know that the remedy we promote is the greatest threat to the FORCE behind "The System" because it is all about turning away from "The System" in all its forms until we are no longer giving it any energy. Why are you so against people turning away from "The System"?

Just remember that you started this, of your own intention. You started the attacks and have continued the attacks. We would rather be out in the garden with our brothers and sisters than dealing with your destructive behaviour but we are not willing to sit back and let you keep posting unsubstantiated lies about us without challenging you and exposing truth for what it really is. You have the opportunity for a debate and, no matter what excuse you come up with, they are just the signs of avoidance, typical of a rat/agent.

Everything else that needs to be said has already been covered in previous discussions, links already provided.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

about an hour ago

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Raymond Karczewski

The Nature of Truth Stands Beyond Persuasion.

To: Arthur Cristian

From: Raymond Karczewski

Arthur,

You frame the problem as one living either in or out of the system. That is a proposition based in thought, therefore dualistic and opposing in nature. That is the essence of Satanic consciousness. It is nothing more than this, therefore it is merely a conditioned concept of life held within the indoctrinated consciousness of those who believe in the concept. It is not a Universal Truth.

I do not wish to participate in a debate with you as that is merely just another seduction into satanic dualism and goes nowhere.

As long as man lives in his intellect, THERE WILL BE A SYSTEM. It has always existed and shall always exist as long as the Satanic Intellect which seduces consciousness away from the nondualistic, direct perception of Truth, Divine Awareness holds sway over human behavior.

The purpose of life is to free one's own consciousness from the prison cell of a lifetime influence of a dualistic, opposing Intellect. As you can see therefore, Freedom, true freedom is not for everyone. The rest, the unaware, the blind, the sheeple have opted to live in, and perpetuate hell on earth via their limited consciousness. That is a SPIRITUAL TRUTH and a self-evident fact of life.

A freeman, a simple man, a christ, can live in the world of systems and not be of it. It is not an "either/or" proposition such as you promote in your Kindom theory.

You and Fiona teeter on the Brink of Intellect facing the vast, unlimited unknown realm of Infinite Intelligence, that of Peace and Love, yet your energies, hold you fast to your Intellectual propositions in creating another system (which you would deny) when you seek to organize kindoms.

That is the glitch which exists between you and I. I recognize that Divine awareness is NOT FOR EVERYONE, and it is so, by their own choice. So I do not pursuade, cajole, argue, or attempt to seduce anyone in my relationships with them. I merely mirror them where they stand in their own words and actions, and let the "Devil take the Hindmost."

Clearly, one can see that my manner of relating to others still unaware of who and what they truly are, is antithetical to the indoctrinated way of life which promotes such divisive relationships.

It doesn't matter whether such indoctrinated, controlled, sheeple argue amongst themselves, they will pull together to support others with whome they identify with, and argue and fight, in force of numbers, for their ignorance when they come up against a Christ, a simple man or woman of Truth who stands beyond the satanic influence of those folks possessed and trapped by their warring intellects.

Perhaps this might assist you and others to better understand me and what I am doing on the Internet.

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24 August at 00:50

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Arthur Cristian

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

24 August at 01:43

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur, why do you bring up an old out of date, face-saving debate to rebut my comments? Where is the uniqueness you speak of? No other man or woman on the internet has been able to capture the uniqueness of my messages for they arise from a place in consciousness that the Intellect cannot access. Raymond Karczewski

24 August at 01:48

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Nigel Beckwith

Stick to the point people. Forming dualistic positions within dualistic positions is not helpful. Remedy might best be sought with a dampening of Ego perhaps.

24 August at 01:52

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel, Egos are absolutely necessary to function in this world. The only question is whether one is dealing with a healthy ego of a Christ or an unhealthy ego of a Satanist. You see, all who function solely from conditioned intellects are SATANISTS. Raymond Karczewski

24 August at 01:57

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Nigel Beckwith

Just dualistic nonsense sadly Raymond. And what is more you utterly miss the point. Dampening ego has nothing to do with denying it.

24 August at 01:56

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Arthur Cristian

We love you Raymond and will always respect you - it's been like this since we've known each other (2005 onwards). To us, it's all in the intent living the dream we live for giving the dream life with our life. As we shared in this post, an extract:

Life Is A Gift
Includes Many Love For Life Comments
And Insights Posted June-July 2013
In Facebook
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8460

Peaceful Transition Through Sacrifice And Service

We feel there is an essential peaceful do no harm transition required to get all of MAN back to standing on MANS feet without reliance upon another MAN for water, food, shelter. As it stands everyone in "The System" are highly dependent and reliant on the "group mind-set" that forms "The System" of slaves providing services and benefits for the emotionally addicted slaves to "The System" (and you can put us in the same basket too). The transition is to get MAN back to relying ONLY on nature without 3rd party interlopers, intermeddlers, interceders getting in the way. The transition is a team effort with the foresight for setting all of MAN free down-the-line so that MAN is no longer dependent on slaves and masters providing services, benefits, privileges and exclusivity while being bound to contracts, rituals, procedures, conditions, rules & regulations which compromises MAN severely.

This transition is all about shifting from limited liability/responsibility to full liability/responsibility. This full responsibility is all about caring for our health, nature all around us, clean uncorrupted (pure) water and food, partner/co-creator, children, shelter, animal-friends in partnership, etc. In "The System", we are already together destroying each other - we have to come together to create peace together so that we can all have peace. We cannot live peacefully when we are islands, not taking full responsibility for the lives of those around us until EVERYONE can take full responsibility for their life, which means that EVERYONE is healed of system trauma. In "The System", we all come together to make slaves of each other - now is the moment to come together to set each other free, to live for each other's freedom, peace, joy and abundance. Once we have set each other free, we are free.

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

The Steps Of Kindom
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

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Once we fix these issues, we or our children or our descendants to come, can start focusing on the even bigger picture of getting back to where our ancestors were, as breatharyan's, before they fell into non-sense images to be enslaved by them.

Also, we have no need for legal disclaimers because we operate under full-responsibility/full-liability which forces everyone/anyone, who wants to take us on, to operate under full-liability/responsibility too. We won't let any third party interlopers, intermeddlers, interceders, operating under limited liability/responsibility, get in the way and be used as shields/props of story-telling, for the benefit of hiding behind them for protection while attacking us with the determination of seeking validation & justification for their reactions to claims of trauma/story-telling harm-doing. They need to bring forward all first parties to their claims. This stuffs up ALL troublemakers trying to create a controversy where there isn't one. Our approach to do no harm is peaceful and dismantles all story tellers trying to use the semantics/constructs/story-telling of capital letters or not, or using "name" as agents-in-commerce or not. They no longer have power or FORCE in law, statute or not. We don't give a stuff about whatever shields they try to use to hide behind for protection - when you force them to come out from hiding behind shields of story-telling/trauma, the "game"/story-telling is over, that's unless they want to be clearly seen by everyone as harm-doers hell-bent on blatantly doing harm, then their intentions are exposed for all to see/witness.

All the best to you and your family
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

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Why the old post - because it covers the ground of our intentions in great detail and to us is still the answer/reply to what you have stated in your post here. We appreciate the insights you share. We are ALL unique Raymond and we use our free-will to create the do no harm dreams of our co-creation/making. When we meet up, if the opportunity presents, we are keen to share a huge long hug with you mate. We support you Raymond - many we have passed on links to your work mate. Love Arthur & Fiona.

24 August at 01:57

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel Beckwith state: Just dualistic nonsense sadly Raymond. And what is more you utterly miss the point. Dampening ego has nothing to do with denying it. rk: Nigel, if you dampen an unhealthy ego, it just becomes a "dampened unhealthy ego." Dampened Unhealthy egos do not become Healthy egos.
Raymond Karczewski

24 August at 02:01

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Nigel Beckwith

Oh for pity's sake Raymond, did you want me to write a book about what I actually meant? Could not a living Christ work it out? Come on man.

24 August at 02:02

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel, Truth is stated simply, If one must write a book to explain what is meant, it is not Truth, is it. It is based in manipulating points of view. Can you not see that?
Raymond Karczewski

24 August at 02:04

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Raymond Karczewski

Arthur Cristian state: "When we meet up, if the opportunity presents, we are keen to share a huge long hug with you mate. We support you Raymond " rk: The simple fact Arthur and Fiona is that you folks are as good as you get while remaining in the world of Hell, but your still dealing with the hell of duality, and have not yet transended your consciousness to rise above to the state of Nondualistic Truth. That is not an argumentative statement designed to induce debate, it is a fact.
Raymond Karczewski

24 August at 02:08

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Nigel Beckwith

What is simple is that you always seem unable to grasp a very simple premise and drag it into a preaching ceremony. Not helpful and no time for it.

24 August at 02:12

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Nigel Beckwith

And for those who have determined this world as heaven/god V Hell/Satan (as you have Ray)...and calls others..stuck in duality..is that not a little rich?

24 August at 02:14

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel, I do not Preach, I do not pursuade, I do not manipulate. I merely Mirror Unhealthy Egos.
Raymond Karczewski

24 August at 02:14

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Nigel Beckwith

You certainly do not communicate...and sadly I doubt your ego is healthy dude...you cannot take the slightest "mirror" yourself. Not helpful.

24 August at 02:15

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel Beckwith And for those who have determined this world as heaven/god V Hell/Satan (as you have Ray)...and calls others..stuck in duality..is that not a little rich? rk: My comments are all based on the old adage. "If the shoe fits, wear it!! As to communication, Truth is the only valid communication. To communicate at the idea level without the essence of Truth as its spirit, one is merely spinning one' own Intellectual wheels. As to "Mirroring" another, One must be a Christ, a simple man of Truth, An Intellectual is a spiritual cripple impersonating a "Man of Truth." AS such his mirror is defective. Hell, isn't it?
Raymond Karczewski

24 August at 02:23

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Nigel Beckwith

Oh...ok...thats a good get out...I say something..and you say.."no its you..ha ha"!! Like when we were kids..."hey stinky" ..."No you're stinky" get out of that. Bloody hell.

24 August at 02:23

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Nigel Beckwith

Simple men of truth don't waste so much energy trying to prove so much to themselves Ray.

24 August at 02:24

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Raymond Karczewski

Nigel Beckwith: Oh...ok...thats a good get out...I say something..and you say.."no its you..ha ha"!! Like when we were kids..."hey stinky" ..."No you're stinky" get out of that. Bloody hell. rk: Nigel Kids are closer to the Truth than adults are. That is why they can pick up on conditioned deceit where adults cannot. Your intellect has been disturbed by another and you cannot help yourself from lashing out. Your investment in you Intellect is at stake. So you make vague, groundless accusations. For example what specifically do you see that I am trying to prove to myself? Come on, flesh it out. Don't lash out with groundless opinions, Speak Truth, or nothing at all.
Raymond Karczewski

24 August at 02:30

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Arthur Cristian

We're off to bed - briefly, to us.........

Ego is constructed out of "story telling" and at its heart is reaction to trauma. Ego is the echo of "intellectual property" (intellect - Raymond calls it Satanic Thought) bouncing to and fro between the ears (so to speak) because these thoughts/images are not sensory life-forms, they have no living-purpose for the sensory dream of life and thus make slaves of their hosts who must re-present/perform these non-sensory images otherwise these non-sensory images (non-sense) fade away into nothingness/oblivion whence they came.

Consciousness is sensory, meaning no education/instruction is required for children to have a direct experience with sensory-life-forms, inanimate or not. Sensory-life-forms are present with the presence of life, hence we can sense them (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) as first parties - they are always in present-sense. But where can millions of children have a direct-experience with ego without ego being explained/educated/instructed to them?????

To us, it is very clear that Ego is "intellectual property" that is non-sensory-images - its intention was designed by its makers for children to be under their image-power.

Education/brainwashing/braindirtying is intended for children to re-call/re-member the image-power of its maker down-the-line. This is all about brain/mind-control.

The ONLY intention behind non-sensory images is image-power.

Innocent children are forced under the image-power of another man/woman thus are forced/coerced/conned into giving up who they really are in present-sense because they are lost to the past (a fiction) where the hypnotic suggestion of image-power, "that sensory-life-form is a daffodil and is yellow", is projected into the future, thus in present-sense are trapped as slaves to this trauma. Reactions to trauma are many. Being educated/taught a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, compass, square, etc, are reactions to trauma. It is impossible to construct "The System" of many egos/persons/strawmen/intellects/agents-in-commerce/minds/etc without reactions to trauma.

In this way, generally speaking, children are not provided with the freedom to create unique original sensory thoughts/images of their own making - they are educated-slaves. They are stopped from creating who they really are, thus are severely thwarted from connecting with what they are really part of. While their bonds to "The System" (non-sense) is developed, their bonds with earth/nature/sensory-life is severed.

Besides invasion and enslavement to our ancestors, education is the most terrible thing ever done to all of us. Children are trapped under the image-power of other men and women and thus are under the hypnotic spell of reactions-to-trauma parroting "story-telling" of trauma that is "intellectual property" made up by others telling children how to think (create), feel (create) and act (create).

The creation of who they really are has been hijacked. They are taught to create a zombie/drone out of their sensory-lives = EGO.

"The System" is constructed out of a population of egos. None of them exist and everything of "The System" does not exist either, are not living, are not sensory, are not present amongst the living.

Up to now, no one has been able to bring forward ego as a first party for us to sense, have a direct experience with - all they can bring forward is a MAN (we can sense) possessed by the "story-telling" (image-power) of non-sensory-images. Our hearts pour out to all the brainwashed - where we've been and still processing all this man-made bullshit. All non-sensory thoughts/images are make-believe - we pretend (believe, have faith & associated opinion) they exist.

Does ego make the sun shine? Can we eat or drink ego? What of nature/earth (sensory-life-form) needs ego to exist so they may exist? Where are the children of ego playing? Where is ego's ancestors buried? Would we all die if ego did not exist? Consciousness is life - we eat, drink, breathe, consciousness to have life, to have consciousness. While we waste our life-energy focused on non-sensory images (this is the message conveyed to Simon in this thread about ITCCS) we are dying/falling/fading-away from life/consciousness becoming the living-dead (marionettes) ruled by ego (fantasy, illusion, delusion), controlled by the makers (master puppeteers) of image-power that rules over us in present-sense, distractions pulled by the strings of belief = FOOLS/SUCKERS/IDIOTS.

The self is ego - self does not exist. This trick is the basis, the illusion of duality constructed by Freemasonic/Satanic "story-tellers".

24 August at 03:34

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Max Igan

I dont have time to read a book arthur, just some proof of your claims - which you failed miserably to give... I just wanted you to present proof of the lies you have contructed and written about me... you produced nothing so I rest my case.. you are a liar and a divisionist who has done an enormous amount of damage with the disinformation you spread about other researchers... you say it only takes one lie in a mountain of truth to cause damage, yet one of the hate pages you constructred about me even, is titled "Max Igan and the Fraud of the OPPT" ... Arthur the title itself is a lie as in insinuates that I actually have something to do with the OPPT when all I did was conduct one round table discussion with them on air at the request of my listeners and of santos bonacci, that was my introduction to the oppt and the first and last time I spoke to them... so why would you have that title? .. to help and inform people? ... well, obviously not - because its a lie as there is no connection between myself and the oppt... no, you have it there because you would like it to cause damage to me... because that is just the kind of vindictive, malicious, lying, self absorbed type of scum that you are... you like to hurt people, you enjoy it, it makes you feel good, it gives you your energy.... thats why you always attack other researchers... all you produced as proof arthur was everything you created in your own mind... your aim is division, self exhaltation and the control of the minds of the masses... you Arthur Cristian, are evil incarnate. The pied piper of psychobabble, here to muddy the waters of truth for self exhaultation as much as possible...

24 August at 13:18

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Max Igan

And I also call bullshit on you never speaking out about me Arthur... I have friends who know you who say you have been badmouthing me and calling me an agent since 2010 .. just as you do to any researchers who disagree with you.... And as for the idea that I "follow you around facebook" ... man your ego must be even huger than I envisaged and your lies just seem to get bigger and bigger. I would never bother following anyone around facebook, let alone you, the only threads where I have ever posted anything regarding you, is when I have seen a post of yours on my wall...

24 August at 13:00

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Simon Kaiwai

Max - having listened to / read both the Crowhouse and Loveforlifes work I see both the differences and similarities. Your calls for solidarity and attention to personal and community level remedy are aligned to Kindoms. As have many others, I arrived at the conclusion that we need a different way of being than this system that is coercing Mans submission. This "alternative way" includes village centric processes and sovereignty. What I see from Love for Life is taking these thoughts much further and trying to communicate a vision for this. That does not mean it is theirs or that Kindomains will be limited to those associated with ownership of such ideas. Nor do I see Loveforlife having content suggesting such. On the contrary there is ample material there against Intellectual Property, a concept which I believe is unnatural and a cause of much harm today. It would be interesting and of value to hear these ideas tested and developed in open discussion. Hopefully you can set aside the animosity that is between you and these concepts of who owns which words because they were in these books or this doco to simply explore the ideas further. How do we go beyond mere concepts and talk of individual sovereignty and community immunity? I suggest we could convey a clear vision that people will aspire to realise. Forgive love. Give-for Love.

24 August at 09:07

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Max Igan

I agree Simon, I think Kindomains are definitely the way to go... my problem is with the lies and disinformation that has been spread by Arthur Cristian and the incredible amount of damge, and division he has caused with people... He has been spreading lies about me since 2010 and is the one who created this situation.... I just eventually grew tired of it and decided to respond...

24 August at 10:07

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Simon Kaiwai

Arthur - the link you provided doesn't have a direct bearing on the ITCCS. You yourself recognise that we are transitioning off the system. With this in mind how do we transition from man-made admiralty/cannon/Babylonian jurisdiction to God given common sense? For me common law, case by case decisions that stem from the people, is a step in the right direction. Many get caught up in the whole "where is the legitimacy?" question and it seems to have Kevin Annett looking to aboriginal sovereignty. Whether this is correct or not does not discount the intent to expose criminal behavior and organisations. This intent is fine. The criminal behavior is real and very harmful. Perhaps common law courts are a good transitional step until Man takes responsibility for their own actions and to those of family and community. While do no harm is a very nice aspiration we are not perfect so need processes to restore when harm is caused.

24 August at 09:23

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Max Igan

And Ok Arthur, due to your repeated demands for me to do so, and your ongoing and continued efforts to escalate the conflict you have created between us, here is the recording of our conversation where you claimed that Anastasia herself came to visit you. It seems that synchonicity is on your side and so you are fortunate with your latest demand to have made it when Im still quite ill, and so I actually have time to find it... Arthur: "She (Anastasia) is real and Ive had the pleasure of having her visit me" ... Max: "Anastasia herself?" ... Arthur: "Yep" ...

http://thecrowhouse.com/dl/Arthur_Cristian.mp3
Arthur Cristian
thecrowhouse.com

24 August at 13:15

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Max Igan

you know.... I havent had a confrontation like this with anyone in years Arthur, but I just got so tired of people saying to me, watch out for Arthur because hes naming you as an agent, that I decided to respond and all you wish to do is escalate things... you just seem to have a unique ability to bring out the worst in people and you had absolutely no reason to start spreading lies about me to begin with... and some of the absolute rubbish you have said about me... jeez mate.... you go on about my "hypnotic voice" well I dont know... my voice is my voice and I cant help what it sounds like... but even saying such things about people... why? ...people writing to you saying I scared them? what a load of shit, why do you make up stuff that simply is not true? ... How is that doing no harm? I dont know anyone Ive met that Ive had any problem with, or anyone who wants to be my enemy, or anyone Ive had a confrontation with in so long I cant even remember. So I'll tell you what, lets put this to rest once and for all so we can both move forward and put our energies into fixing this world rather than attacking each other. Why dont you come up here and visit me so we can talk face to face. I will pay to fly you up and back again... you up for it?

24 August at 14:07

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Ben House-Of Thompson

I would simply forget Arthur, he is obviously NOT going to answer basic questions asked, because his wild dreamland trauma based belief system is fantasy, one has to invest to believe like all cults. I don't read his doggy do because he doesn't answer questions! He should have been a preacher... Easy to see as I am sure most easily see, don't worry about the 100 people that will hear and then listen to his bull! Thousands if not millions listen to you Max! I would forget about Arthur, he isn't relevant.

24 August at 14:08

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Max Igan

All people are relevent Ben...

24 August at 14:37

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Ben House-Of Thompson

yes, badly stated, I should have said his idea of utopian society is not valid or reasonable or even possible. There is no attack on the man just the words of the man!

24 August at 15:39

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Arthur Cristian

Max, in private, to people who rang us asking about our opinions, views, insights, etc, a few conversations about you came up and we would say that you were a promoter of "The System", which appeared regularly in your work, and that we had great suspicions about you. We would say that "The System" and anything of "The System" is not a remedy and never will be. We explain that the remedy that gets us out of this mess can ONLY be found where our ancestors were before their fall into "The System" of the living-dead, of non-sense, "states" of unconsciousness, fiction, fantasy, illusion, delusion, etc, basically pre-invasion of the FORCE behind "The System". We would say that anyone who promotes "The System" (negativity - everything of "The System" is harm) cannot be trusted which is why we have a lot of suspicion around you and we would warn those who asked about you that we do not trust you, to use their senses/brains, use scrutiny and go where the logic of truth takes them. To not trust anyone including us and everything we say. We would also point out that you do not have a remedy to get us all out of "The System".

We always tell people not to believe anything we say but to uniquely work things out using scrutiny and logic in their way. We do not want anyone to follow us or to look at us as leaders. Kindom is all about MAN taking FULL responsibility for everything we think, feel, say and do, not relying on others to tell us how we should see things and how we should behave, thus how to live our lives.

Hence the Love For Life Kindom motto,

Welcome To Kindom
A Do No Harm Community
Of Conscious Co-Creators
Truly Free - No Belief - No Ownership
No Ones Sheep Nor Shepherd

Only in "The System", or another version of "The System", or the residues of previous versions of "The System", such as the original, Ancient Egypt, do we have leaders and followers. We say that MAN has/is the full power of Living-Creator which is why no MAN should be under the image power of another MAN and that all men are equal, that no MAN is master of another MAN. Under "The System", this has all been distorted and twisted and we are all severely compromised by it. Our Love For Life work is paving a path through the mess, and that includes us. It is a dirty job and we don't come to it with rose-coloured glasses. We are dealing with brothers who have turned against their brothers and have a track record of causing mass genocide, atrocities and psychological warfare since this madness started.

We would say that the New World Order (NWO) is "The System" under another feel good/god, guise and is not the present unfolding chaos, destruction, harm, injustice, cruelty, etc, etc, but is the remedy that comes to this chaos brought in by the many "Good Guys" who work together behind the scenes with the "Bad Guys" manipulating the chaos, destruction, etc. We would say that there are thousands of these "Good Guys" at the forefront of the freedom, truth, peace, love, "oneness", consciousness, alternative movements. It is so easy for people to get trapped into one of the many avenues leading to the NWO. We have written heaps about this and these insights are part of the heart of the Love For Life work.

We have explained many times how the Freemasonic/Satanic "gardeners" of "The System" plan their garden to have different plants (agents) grow and have presence at different times, all seemingly naturally but actually cleverly planned and brilliantly orchestrated. The garden is "The System" media, the internet, the many influences over people's thinking because,

If they can get you to think and feel
What they want you to think and feel
And get you to set those thoughts and feelings into motion
By believing in them and trusting the "Good Guys"
They will get you to create the outcomes of their making/intention

This is why we say that: "Slaves Willingly Create A World ("The System") In (Under) Their Masters Image-Power Without Realising".

In the same way as the plants in the garden have their season, those behind "The System" have both their "Good Guys" and their "Bad Guys" positioned to appear when the time is right to do their damage, with the "Good Guys" being the ones who cause the most damage because many looking for truth, freedom, remedy flock to the "Good Guys" for answers and for remedy, which may seem to be happening but actually does nothing to get anyone out of "The System". In fact, most of those flocking to the "Good Guys" don't even think of going outside "The System" because the brainwashing of their his-story and system science that tells us it is "The System" or nothing, is so strong. None of this information is to be found outside "The System" where the remedy is. This is why people think we need law, government, a system or we'll have chaos. This is a lie. We live to destroy the lies that are "The System".

What the "Good Guys" also do is build up attention and praise around a so-called remedy/idea, etc, only to then turn around with justifications (brotherhood/sisterhood sabotage) and say that it will not work and point their finger at the excuse/so-called-evidence, thus dashing people's hopes. An example of this is how Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party was hijacked from within, built up to give hope to her many red-necked supporters and then, just as they thought they had finally found their voice, it was smashed in their faces. All this was orchestrated form beginning to end. "We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us".

So do we trust you? No, but we don't expect you to trust us either. You obviously don't know much about us if you haven't looked into our work so why should you trust us?

We will expose, wherever possible, the "Good Guys" who are there to destroy us all by leading us down the Yellow Brick Road of their mass hypnosis story-telling. Will we always be right? Probably not, but we are not afraid to point out harm when we see it, to say what needs to be said, even if that means that people hate us. We are not here to be nice, or to be liked. We are here to do something about the mess we are all responsible for. We are not afraid of hard work or of missing out on some system distractions. We have nothing else to live for because what have we got to offer our children and everyone else's children as a legacy if we do not start to heal the damage done to MAN & MANS Earth and still being done.

We have all been let down by our ancestors and the generations before us who did nothing, or hardly anything to turn the tide. If they had found a remedy, found one powerful truth in the religions and philosophies of "The System", you would think by now that if it had been passed down by word of mouth, that we would all be living in paradise right now. But that isn't the case and we see the enormity of the deception and the distraction of ALL system information and are passionately hacking away to make it simpler and simpler for others to recognise the deception and distractions and to see clearly outside all this, to see past the lies of their his-story and their non-sensory information ("intellectual property").

One of our commitments is to show the gobbledygook that is "The System" up for the abomination it really is so that men and women everywhere realise that there is nothing in "The System" that will get them out of the mess, which leads them to turning away from "The System" and back to co-creating with nature, letting go, letting go and letting go of all our system brainwashing and attachments/addictions.

As it stands, everything has been so twisted that black is white and white is black, truth is lies and lies are truth. Our commitment is to pave a path through all the non-sense so that people learn to see clearly both the "Good Guys" and the "Bad Guys" and all their tactics because, if we do not learn how to do this, we will never get out of the mess, out of the trap. If those around us are trapped so are we and so are our children. If we want freedom, in present-sense we have to create it in the lives of those around us. If we are surrounded by people still going for "The System", whether the current version or the smelling-like-roses NWO, we and our children will still be slaves, if we out live the genocide.

The power of the Freemasonic/Satanic world comes from "The System" because "The System" is the continuation of the enslavement of our ancestors, just under guise 342 or 556 or 22. The method of enslavement has evolved from overt to covert over the different guises of "The System" but enslavement is still the game. From having slave masters cracking their whips, we have got to the point where we willingly imprison our lives, thanks to the many seductions conceived by those within Tavistock.

Part of the duties of the "Good Guys" is to discredit those who are passionate about creating the remedy to "The System" and have no back door, no point at which they give up and say it can't be done. There are many methods of sabotage and different stages of sabotage used to make sure that movements, communities, etc, with the potential to bring real change, to step outside of "The System" to NO system, never make it. This is why we say that they say, "We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us". There are many "Good Guys" who either hijack movements or create them. One example of this is Kevin Annett who took over the cause that became the movement to bring the Roman Catholic Church to account for their abuses against native originals under Corporation Canada. Those behind "The System" have to control the outcomes of every movement, etc, that rises up if they are to maintain their control of everyone.

The following post from yesterday illustrates this:

"Capri Adirim wrote: Arthur, I know you are not a fan of Heather and OPPT but what do you make of these re: court houses closed?..... http://www.ascensionwithearth.com/2013/04/reports-coming-in-texas-new-or... - We replied: The FORCE behind "The System" who have all the nuclear power and other weapons of death and mass destruction behind them, who have a mass of "humanity" armed to the teeth as their armies, navys and air forces, who control almost all aspects of multi national corporations, governments, banks, courts, media, etc, will ONLY let happen what they want to let happen IF it suits their long-term agenda. Don't be blinded by their magic tricks, particularly when they want the people to willingly enter their New World Order down-the-line thinking/believing it is the gateway to their freedom."

The "Good Guys" of "The System" are charming and charismatic. They are wolves in sheep's clothing, there to watch, gather information, form friendships with anyone who might be onto something and, when the time is right, to discredit and destroy, either through their own words and deeds or by sending in their fellow "Good Guys", or even "Bad Guys" to do the job.

It is like the very cruel method of "training" elephants; they have a "Bad Guy" who beats the elephant and a "Good Guy" who rescues the elephant. They keep repeating the scenario until the elephant always follows the "Good Guy" around. There are many other versions of these tactics. There are many "Good Guys" of "The System" exposing the deeds of the "Bad Guys" so that the duped learn to trust them and to follow them, no different to the elephant. The "Good Guys" have access to all the information of the exploits of their predecessors, through the recorded ages of their "Bad Guys", so they can then come out and "expose" the evil deeds and tactics, blowing everyone away and convincing them that the "Good Guy" is on their side. This is what David Icke is all about and what we still see you doing and all the other thousands of "Good Guys" appearing in their media garden with their image power, all working towards the ushering in of the "Good Guy's" NWO.

We know that both the "Good Guys" and the "Bad Guys" of "The System" can be offered up as a sacrifice in that they can be used to go after someone with pure intentions in an attempt to discredit and destroy them, even if it means that the "integrity" of the "Good Guy" is destroyed and he/her loses their public image of "Good Guy". Anyone in the Freemasonic/Satanic world can be sacrificed for the long-term good of their order/fraternity/sect, etc. and they are all severely compromised and under oath of death or harm to their families, etc, to make sure they stick to their brotherhood orders. Crucifying their targets is vital, whatever the "public" cost. The target is destroyed and everything they stood for/created is crippled or nullified, and while the "Good Guy" may have lost his public standing, the agenda and power-base of the brotherhood carries on.

So yes we have spoken to a few people about you over the last two to three years but we never publicly posted anything about you until after you started attacking us, not discussing or debating our work, but just blatantly attacking Arthur. You see Max, we all have those natural "rights" to use scrutiny and to express the free-will of what we think and feel, to be honest with those we are talking to in private. We all do this. Are you saying that you do not do this? There are many subjects, circumstances, etc, that people get caught up scrutinising and distrusting others in all areas of "The System" and in their relationships with any subject involving harm doing or perceived harm. For real freedom-truthers, this comes with the territory. However, we never said to anyone that we hate you or wish you ill will, etc. As you have a profile on the internet and have an influence over public thinking you MUST be scrutinised just as we MUST be scrutinised. We know that those who are sincere and pure in their intent will stand out down-the-line.

If we just trust anyone and everyone and are not vigilant in always scrutinising for truth in everything and everyone, we can easily accept lies and liars in our lives, just as we accept the aspartame in the "nicely" wrapped sweet-tasting lolly we eat or the "nice" politician kissing babies. Our immune system ("community immunity"), our ability to rout out harm, has been severely compromised and most don't sense this to do anything about it. Under these present circumstances, we will all end up under the NWO.

Really Max, your complaint about us talking about you to others privately is a lame excuse to come after us. Yes, we talk about many people in private conversations but we do not post things about people publicly all the time. Plus, Arthur is notorious for having no problem telling people to their face what he really thinks about them, an honesty very few possess. Can you say you never talk about others in your private conversations? Surely, when those people told you about Arthur saying this or that, you then had a conversation about the many failings of Arthur Cristian? We certainly talk about people, not to attack the MAN they are but to talk over who they are, who they might be and whether they are to be trusted.

The problems we all face have been created by MAN turning against MAN and this is still continuing and so the problems will continue until we, MAN sort them out. So we will always think about someone and whether they are here to continue the problems through their image power or resolve them. We are looking for those who can see past the image power of "The System" to a way of life without "The System" so that, together, we can create a living demonstration of living without "The System" for those who don't think it can be done to come and experience with their senses. Note - we tell people our opinion and our life experiences but we also tell them to work things out in their unique/original ways.

So do we trust you? No. Are we willing to meet up with you and see if there is some way to work together for the good of all? Yes. And will it probably take a long "time" to build up trust on both sides? Yes. Trust has to be earned. To us, the remedy to "The System" is in the doing, not in the talking and the doing is hard work because there are very, very few committed to hard work rather than to talking all the while sucking off the nipples of the private corporations. Everyone is so used to limited liability that it is a very scary thing to learn to be fully responsible for our lives. We are not frightened of any of this because we are not afraid of death or anything else the Freemasonic/Satanic world can do to intimidate us and threaten us. We are not driven by reactions to trauma any more. Only those who can get past this are going to be able to co-create kindom because otherwise, they are lambs to the slaughter for the NWO.

The people around us can usually be found with a shovel in their hands, or preparing raw food or working on music production, or are building or repairing something, etc. We are working hard and smart for our freedom because we know that it is not going to fall in our laps; there is no magic wand that is going to make it all better for us.

We have written so much about all these tactics of the FORCE behind "The System", as anyone can see if they explore the Love For Life work. All those "waking up" are scrutinising who is behind fluoride, behind fracking, about vaccinations, etc, etc, etc. And we all have our private conversations about who we think can be trusted and who can't. What we are trying to do is to wake people up to the tactics of the FORCE of "The System" and their "Good Guys" and "Bad Guys" so that they do not become a distraction from those committed to getting things done.

The reason we write so much is because a lot of what we are saying is incomprehensible to many without detailed explanations because they are still looking at life through the veil of the system information they have been brainwashed with. As you are aware, this post is in the public domain and we are aware that others than you will read this so we want to be as clear as we possibly can in explaining our thoughts and intentions.

Thanks for sharing the audio recording Max. As we've stated over and over again, Anastasia came to Arthur (visited Arthur) and woke him up from his rest. This happened . We explained to you the details in the earlier OPPT thread with you. There is nothing in this recording to go against the explanations given you. She is able to move her consciousness and this was how she visited Arthur - to wake him up with a loud "Hello" - never said to you that she got a passport, train, plane, ship, went through customs etc. If anything, typically of Arthur he is talking too fast to get through as much info as possible sometimes causing fine details not to be expanded upon. If you had asked in that conversation it would have been explained. 2009/2010 were the years of Fiona's kidnapping, the continuation of the many death threats we received, the continuation of assassination attempts, the massive expansion in traffic that overwhelmed us trying to cope with all the people wanting to talk with us for whatever reason, when the Jewish Board of deputies tried to shut down the website, etc... the list goes on and on. The point being we were in the habit of packing in as much as possible as fast as possible because of the massive backlog hanging over our heads which we were committed to dealing with.

So, if you would like to come down and experience what we are part of co-creating, you are welcome. Under the circumstances, it would be easier if you came down because we are not really in a situation for Arthur to be able to get away. We are very, very busy with commitments that we have taken on, as well as the responsibility of young children to care for. We get that you are busy too but it is possible that you are more easily mobilised than us.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Yesterday at 01:22

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Arthur Cristian

Max, what is happening with your gut? Are you taking DE, Zeolite, etc and eating raw?

Yesterday at 01:38

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Arthur Cristian

Simon, either we have free-will, are free or we are not. We are focused on co-creating and expanding Kindom/Do No Harm Communities with those who are committed to full-responsibility/liability because it means they live/see life is a gift, they are no longer self-centered, meaning there is no more "my freedom, "my land", etc. Refer to the links to Love For Life articles in this thread, they provide links to many other posts that embrace remedy (and lets chat if you want to). We are walking-the-talk of what we've written, Simon. Unless we break away from self-centeredness we will always need "The System" of limited liability with its courts of law, politics, government, religions, education, etc. Besides life is a gift, one of the other major keys is raw-living food diets because when we have detoxified our bodies completely and are part of a Kindom ("community immunity") we no longer require anything of "The System" including electricity, gas, etc. One guy in the U.S, in his 90's, who was raw-fooding since the 1950's, died from complications caused by a surfing wipe-out. The fantastic empowering stories of long-term passionate committed raw-fooders are plenty on the net. The benefits are staggering and the freedom that comes from this is true-freedom, no more refrigeration, electricity, etc..... it means we have to co-create food-forests (another major key to our freedom).

We've started small, and in gradual steps are building them into massive food forests:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A
From Bare Dirt To Abundance - A Year In The Life Of The Love For Life Food Forest

Yesterday at 02:07

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Arthur Cristian

Simon, we finished making Part 4 of the OPPT video series in March 2013 which focused on remedy. Due to music production issues this video has not been uploaded yet. Now that there are more people involved with technical skills better than ours (and no more faulty manufacturer's equipment) we are thinking of making another video or two (can be broken down into a series of small drink videos) to go into the fine details of the subject matter raised in "The Steps Of Kindom" which we original posted back in 2006 "Do No Harm Communities" and changed tittle to Steps Of Kindom in 2007. As we've learnt so much more since then we can revise it all now and simplify it even more. Do you want to get involved with this group effort?

Yesterday at 02:19

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Simple cult, reject reality and invent your own, I can't read much of this crap before it becomes plainly obvious mind control techniques of repetitive sayings and disorient of reality into a reality of the New Way or New World of Kindom (no such thing is actually real) but who cares when reality isn't real and there is no time? Right Arthur, basic example of the lost leading the blind. Had any visits from your Russian fairy lately Arthur? Anastasia visited you lately? Loooong none answer are the same as a short lie.

Yesterday at 06:11

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Ben House-Of Thompson

I can't waste my time with this far removed from reality (yet alone topic) thread any longer. Good luck to you Arthur, I hope the world drops what it's doing and becomes the Kindom you read about.

Yesterday at 06:21

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Max Igan

OK Arthur, well, had you not created this altercation by consciously and intentionally choosing to spread lies, rumours and disinformation about me in late 2010, and continuing to do so to this day, no doubt things would have gone very differently between us. Though many have suggested jealousy to be a factor, for my part, I can only assume that your attacks against me were motivated by my failure to call you back after our initial contact and I freely admit that my choice not to pursue the type of allegience with you that you were seeking when you called me, was wholly due to the loss of credibility you suffered in my eyes due to your claim that you were visited by Anastasia herself during that initial call - though I also admit that your adamant belief that the sun orbits the earth may have also been a contributing factor...

Yes, given different circumstances, had you not chosen to wage your private disinformation campaign against me, things may have gone quite differently with us indeed... Real allies in this country are few and far between and I can actually see us sitting around debating the finer points of life and laughing at and with each other regarding our differences, however you chose to lay out a different path for us. For a very long time I simply ignored the things people were relaying back to me regarding the lies and personal attacks you were directing towards me (why you thought such things wouldnt get back to me, god only knows) but yes, eventually it just got to me, I am only human after all, and so in the end, in frustration, when I saw you post something on a thread on my wall, I bit back and called you out as a liar. I have now attempted to make ammends for that loss of self control, as I felt that you did have something of value to offer

You say you stand for truth. You say just one lie in a mountain of truth can cause damage, and yet all that you said about me; all the rumours and ill will that you spread in the shadows; all of it, ALL of it, was based wholly on speculation and conjecture you created yourself... You claim I am a Ron Paul supporter... utter rubbish, I support no politician, When asked during an interview, I did once suggest he was the best one to vote for because, lets face it, they are going to vote anyway so hey, here is one guy who may have reduced the war posturing with Iran, brought the troops home from Iraq, and prevented what is now happening in Syria from ocurring, so why not vote for him, it may just buy us a little more time... but I guess that doesnt matter to you because maybe you just dont give a damn about Syria and of course, how silly of me, there is no time anyway is there? ...so lets all just turn our back on the system, leave it alone to destroy the world because we're not paying attention, and come live with me in fairy land... well sorry brother, but there is some reality to deal with first, and there is no short path to freedom for mankind from where we are now... jeez Arthur, you even claim I am associated with the OPPT simply because I interviewed them once, and yet in the same breath you claim to stand for truth... you name everyone who disagrees with you as an agent, all based on conjecture and with never a shred of evidence to back it up... and yet you claim to stand for truth... why would you do that? I mean, you may suspect someone, but unless you know, and I mean really KNOW! then you have no right to accuse people, not if you honestly stand for truth because as we all know Arthur, a half truth is a WHOLE lie... And however you wish to paint it, you told me Anastasia herself came to visit you, not a vision, not a shadow, but her SELF and as I said, a half truth is a whole lie...

I have travelled around the world and met as many other researchers as possible and spent almost every waking hour of the last 6 years in an attempt to create some unity in this movement, I have allowed my social life, my relationships and even my health to suffer in an effort to calmly, politely convey to people the urgency of our situation and the need to create some unity amongst people so that we may stand as one to address it, and yet all you do is create division, division, division and more division and you encourage people to turn their back on the beast that is devouring all life on this planet thus leaving it to complete its work... You claim I am a "Tavistock trained hypnotist" a "spellmaster at work" and you continually spread whispers and division and work to discredit me as much as possible based on what? the fact that I have a calming voice?... what the fuck is wrong with you? If you are truly about 100% truth as you claim, then why would you do that? Have you ever even met me to be able to make such malicious, unfounded and liabelous claims? My voice is my voice and I apologise if you dont like it... and besides, I left school half way through grade 10 and Im pretty sure you need an education before you can train to be any type of doctor Arthur... The truth is, and has always been, that you know nothing about me and that all the lies you have spread about me are fiction of your own creation. Every single one of them... and yet you claim to stand for truth... ... can you even admit the reality of that to yourself?

Whether you realise it or not, we desperately need some unity here Arthur. Infighting is all you are creating and infighting is something the Psychopaths who control this world just love, it is THE singularly most effective weapon there is against respect, unity, empowerment and eventual freedom for the masses of people who are kept in slavery on this planet - The one certain action that will prevent any change from ever happening... So who are you really serving with your actions? and tell me Arthur, of all the people who contacted you and mentioned my name to you in the last 3 years, how many did you, without one single shred of evidence to back up your claim, say the word "agent" to? ...and please at least try and be honest with yourself here because if you are, I think you will find the answer to that question is, "all of them"... The truth is that I am not your enemy Arthur, I never have been and I imagine the Illuminati masters who delivered your programming to you are very pleased with your ongoing efforts to prevent any unity and bring down and discredit as many opposing voices as possible... and no Im not claiming you are, but mind control works in mysterious ways my friend and people can only truly be appraised by their actions and so you should consider the possibility that if anyone here is an agent Arthur Cristian, it is you, whether you realise the truth of that or not. A Pied Piper of Pychobabble, here to muddy the waters of truth as much as possible and lead everyone you can down a blind alley that will ultimately culminate in a world that is as black as the blight that has found its way into your your heart. ... And at least look into your heart and take the time to think about what Im saying here

Not everyone who still believes we need a system is an agent Arthur. Not everyone is at the same level as awareness. Some have simply recently awakened, and many are simply scared. The whole world cannot just turn their back on the system and move to Utopia... we cant simply shut it down, we need to reign it in, put it back on track, and lead mankind back to a place where we dont need it... if we just shut it down then millions will die and I just dont see that as being a viable methodology to save them.

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Max Igan

For my part Arthur, I believe you still have a good soul. You should face yourself and come back to the light. And if you cant, then oh well, I tried... and I would ask you to please remove any videos of mine or any reference to me from your website... And if you refuse; if you choose to contunue to host your disinformation articles about me, and wage your baseless hate campaign against me in the name of "truth" then never fear, I will not reciprocate and open any hate pages or make any videos about you as you have done to me, because my goal is unity and freedom, not division and self promotion.

You will not hear from me again, regardless of how much more fiction you create about me. I have no need to defend myself any further against your lies and false accusations as I believe my work and message speaks for itself.

...and my apologies for the overbearing length of this post.

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Arthur Cristian

Ben, you are so far off in la la land that it appears, based on what you have written in this thread, you have little sense for "reality". This is not an attack on you the MAN, just sharing facts. We offered you a debate/discussion with us so you can put all your claims to the test and experience how they stack up. That offer still stands. How are you going to know what is true or not if you don't put all your claims to the test? Between us (Fiona/Arthur) we consistently use scrutiny like a blow torch - all beliefs are put to the test between us and so far none of them stacked up - they were all incinerated. The info we share is not "new", it's always been present, its just been covered up by "System" brainwashing distractions. Reality (sensory-life/consciousness/life) is NOT an illusion, ONLY "story telling" (non-sense images/unconsciousness/fiction) is illusion. We sincerely wish you and your family all the best.

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Arthur Cristian

Thanks for the feedback Max - we continue on the Love For Life / Kindom path we're on. But why would you want us to take your stuff down? Don't you want your information out there to as wide an audience as possible? Your information is in the public domain. Don't you trust people to come to their own conclusions about what they see and read? BTW, if you had an issue about things Arthur had been saying privately to people, how come you couldn't be honest and say, "Hey Arthur, there are things I've been hearing about that I'm not happy with" instead of trying to discredit Arthur by saying you don't trust him because you didn't believe what he said about Anastasia a few years ago? Why the twists and turns all along the way?

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Simon Kaiwai

Indeed Arthur, those pushing the system are emphatic that we don't have free will and those with the knowledge to be free found it through recognizing their inherent free will. This is a pivotal question/belief system as limited liability is dependent upon the falsity of absolute forced will upon Man by individuals or their fictional constructs. Thank you for your offer for collaboration - at this time my hands are rather full, that said for 6 years I have been planning to make a learning resource in different medium to assist people to cocreate kindomains. It would be more than interesting to have the likes of yourself and Max Igan give input. If either of you are interested I'd like to run the idea past you to see if its time has come. This is how I feel I can best contribute at this time.

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Simon Kaiwai

So it seems that Max is for no system but believes that many need to be weaned off it especially while natural abundance is restored to prevent widespread suffering. I can appreciate this perspective and at the same time that of not encouraging voting for representation in any form, playing in fiction etc. Again it seems like both of your end visions may align but the way you see Man getting there slightly different. Both have offered to discourse and Max generously offered to pay a flight. I do hope you get together to thrash your perspectives out and appreciate where each other is pushing for. It is divisive to call someone an agent when that person may well be on the just and moral team so to speak. That said both of your work is out in the open so people have eyes to see for themselves - so who are we to judge but for ourselves? It is much better to present evidence and let others come to their own conclusions than quickly label and defame one another.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Ok Arthur, bla bla bla, your gardening is the only thing that has any credit, mist everything else in your growing cult is a waste of space! Your claiming of la la land as a direct response to my saying the exact thing to you is childish and typical. I never read your rubbish because you NEVER answered my first questions so we never got past that point! Instead of answering you wrote a book preaching your cult community idea with good guys and bad guys none sense. The world isn't as black and white as you imagine, and the world isn't controlled by evil Masonic voodoo power lords as you suppose, it is much simpler than that! It is filled with utopian fools each trying to convince others they have the answers to defeat the very system they and their forefathers created. Then the name calling and agent bullshit like we the people are just agents of satan etc, can not be bothered with such rubbish, I am sure interests have a desire to discredit others for their own selfish reasons that's very human. You never answered my original questions so I have ignored most of what you have written, your do know harm theory must be for you only as you seem to have no problem harming others, or anyone who calls you out! As you never answered me at any stage I leave this thread with the same thoughts I entered it with about you and your copied Kindom (cultish) remedy?

14 hours ago

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Excuse spelling and grammar, tapped out on phone during spear minute!

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Arthur Cristian

Ben your question was answered a few times in this thread - just read our posts. If you can't be bothered reading our posts and contemplating Love For Life articles, videos, etc, links provided, then it shows you want us to be your slave by repeating all the hard work again just for you. Your smart-arse attitude stinks of "exclusivity", "privileges" and shows you are lazy, arrogant, ignorant and a pig-headed slave-master. Your arrogance, righteousness and ignorance has you be "so far out of your depth" that you have no direct experience of fact to be able to bring forward factual evidence to back your claims.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

your wrong about that too.

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Arthur Cristian

Back your claims Ben, prove it with facts/evidence.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

what claims?

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Ben House-Of Thompson

your the only one making claims, I just respond to your claims, IE: there is no time for a start

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Arthur Cristian

Again, this is more evidence of you being "so far out of your depth".

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Ben House-Of Thompson

ohh i bet, great lies require great explanations huh!

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Arthur Cristian

More claims Ben. Back them, with fact/evidence.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

I like your earthy ideas Arthur, and I probably shouldn't use defaming words like rubbish and doggy do, but these are the words that come to mind when I read some of the things you post

about an hour ago

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Ben House-Of Thompson

you have explained more than enough, you don't have to work or be a slave of any kind, those easy to convince would no doubt suite you far better!

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Ben House-Of Thompson

but come on, Anastasia? and you say I am the one out of his depth, Kin domains will NEVER work, in a trillion years as long as humans are on this planet!

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Arthur Cristian

We don't ask you to believe in anything we say Ben - instead why don't you put what we say to the test and see if you can find fault. Belief is not proof of fact. We have already explained that "time" does not exist. If you believe "time" exists, well then bring forward the first party "time" to back your claim. Lets hear it directly from "time" and not from a re-presentative/actor/performer of "time". Refer to our earlier post in this thread about "time", copied below.

"Lets hear it from "time", from "times" tongue. Lets have a direct sensory (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) experience with "time", first party to first party.

Where are the children of "time" playing?

Where is "time's" ancestors buried?

What is the location/address of "time" so we can visit "time", sit under a tree with "time" having lots of laughs, a bite to eat and a drink together?

What does "time" do for nature/earth that aids nature/earth in rolling along here and now?

What of nature/earth (sensory life form inanimate or not) needs "time" to exist so they may exist?

Would we all suffer and die if "time" did not exist?

Where can millions of innocent children, not exposed to "The System" or to anyone exposed to "The System" go anywhere in nature/earth to learn about "time" without anyone having to explain (educate/brainwash/story-telling) "time" to them?

Re-presenting/performing the story-telling of "time" is not proof of fact that "time" exists.

Also, we have no belief (we do not peddle beliefs). Truth is evident, is sensory.

All lies are NON-SENSORY, are NON-SENSE."

We have already provided links where you can explore remedy - it is up to you to put the effort in, if you want to.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

OK lets start with your first none sense. Time does exist, it doesn't need to show up to prove it exist's, E=MC2

about an hour ago

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Ben House-Of Thompson

2nd, i can see time, so your sensory example is flawed

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Ben House-Of Thompson

even nature keeps record of time!

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Ben House-Of Thompson

before we have begun, FAIL

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Where is "time's" ancestors buried? = who cares

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Ben House-Of Thompson

What is the location/address of "time" so we can visit "time", sit under a tree with "time" having lots of laughs, a bite to eat and a drink together? = do that with atoms? they still exist.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

What does "time" do for nature/earth that aids nature/earth in rolling along here and now? = EVERYTHING

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Arthur Cristian

Ben, we passionately share our insights. If you can find fault and prove this with factual evidence we will let go, adapt and move on. We always go where truth takes us, we do not fight for (protect) any belief.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

What of nature/earth (sensory life form inanimate or not) needs "time" to exist so they may exist? = who cares?

59 minutes ago

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Ben House-Of Thompson

I have given you factual proof, unless your blind to see the wind is true and is there, without stupid word games and meanings that slight the truth! come on...

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Arthur Cristian

Ben, all you have got here is BELIEF (story telling). E=MC2 is story-telling. Where is the sensory-life-form E=MC2?
Does Alice in Wonderland exist?

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Ben House-Of Thompson

if you can not tell the difference between Alice in Wonderland and E=MC2 then my friend, I am not the one that is out of his depth

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Arthur Cristian

You are an actor performing "time", E=MC2, etc. This is not proof of fact.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

no I am not!

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Arthur Cristian

Again bring forward the first party E=MC2 to back your claim.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Arthur, you are WRONG, again!!!

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Ben House-Of Thompson

this isn't international court, jeeeez

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Ben House-Of Thompson

i don't have to present a claim as i am not trying to claim ownership.

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Arthur Cristian

If you are not, then is your first name "Time" or "E=MC2" and not Ben, or are they your surname or clan name???

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Ben House-Of Thompson

pointless meaningless word game

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Ben House-Of Thompson

otherwise known as none sense

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Ben House-Of Thompson

my name is not WIND either???

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Arthur Cristian

You are claiming ownership over "time" and "E=MC2"! You can't bring them forward to stand before us/MAN to back your claim. All you can bring forward is a MAN acting on behalf of "time" and "E=MC2". Can you prove otherwise?

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Ben House-Of Thompson

look, it is simple, if time doesn't exist, then simply prove your freedom of the laws nature has placed in time, and post somewhere at the beginning of this thread! or your are talking doggy doo again

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Arthur Cristian

You are lost in "story telling" Ben, as we have all been, thanks to the brainwashing education we've all endured.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

well, are you going to do it or not?

51 minutes ago

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Ben House-Of Thompson

your not, BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT, story telling or no story telling

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Arthur Cristian

We already exist Ben - this is incontrovertible proof of our freedom. Freedom is not a destination - in present-sense we already are that freedom.

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Arthur Cristian

There is no laws in nature placed in "time". How about first proving that "time" exists before getting "nature" all caught up in this argument?

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Ben House-Of Thompson

1 + 1 = 2 prove it? I can not! well then it isn't real? in a physical sense it is not, it is a concept. how are concept's created? by many people agreeing on a common truth!

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Ben House-Of Thompson

that is where it ends, Arthur, that is where you FAIL

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Arthur Cristian

1 does not exist Ben. This is fact. Prove this otherwise. - also, a child said 1 + 1 = 3, mummy is 1, daddy is 2 and you both created me so that's 3. Is the child lying Ben?

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Ben House-Of Thompson

no the child does not have understand/knowledge, IF you can show your theory so true you can disobey time, then do it. or shutup!

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Ben House-Of Thompson

put up, or shutup

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Ben House-Of Thompson

stop passing the buck

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Arthur Cristian Does not matter how many people agree to a man-made concept still does not make it true. We think it Is better that we use our senses than be lost under the image-power (story-telling) of others living/believing a lie.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

you did not PUT UP

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Ben House-Of Thompson

your a deceiver

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Ben House-Of Thompson

and your claims are absurd

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Ben House-Of Thompson

just more doggy do.

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Arthur Cristian

There is no time existing to disobey it Ben. You are acting no different to a religious zealot on the war path of destroying infidels. etc.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

or am I making you my slave? or am I an agent?

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Ben House-Of Thompson

ohhh hahaha, so i am trying to make you a slave? lol

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Arthur Cristian

They become absurd if you can prove they are lies/false/wrong. As we said, belief is not proof of fact.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

your precious

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Ben House-Of Thompson

ok, well you continue with your belief, as for me and mine, we will use real remedy

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Arthur Cristian

No, you are a good hearted bloke who has been severely lied to as we were all lied to, thanks to education.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

and end, this pointless none sense once and for all

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Ben House-Of Thompson

no more doggy do from him

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Arthur Cristian

We have no belief here Ben. We do not believe in "time" or "E=MC2", etc. In the middle of the word belief is the word lie and in the middle of the word lie is "i" and "i" is the greatest lie/liar of all. This is all explained in Parts 1, 2, 3 of the OPPT videos we posted in Feb/March this year.

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Arthur Cristian

As for remedy, they won't let Arthur into any of their courtrooms anywhere. In "The System" of "time", between 2006 & 2009, Arthur removed all contracts of "name" with "state", "commonwealth" etc. He has no drivers license, car registration, medicare, govt hand outs, tax file number, contracts with gas, electricity, telephone, internet, bank accounts, credit cards, leases, passport, voting-enrollment, etc, etc. Stopped using/RENTING "name". He lives by the gifts of life others gift to him. NOW, Arthur makes them (curse makers) process their own curses with no escape unless they make whole with those they intended to do harm to. All lies are curses and all liars are cursed.

Refer to the video we posted "Feb 2012":

The Name Is The Mark Of The Beast
The Strawman Identifying Your Slave Status
In The System

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Ben House-Of Thompson

it is sad to see people that prove themselves so harmed by the system that their forefathers created, that they move into the outer limits in the hope that there is a mystical truth that can only be found when you think the way they do! But renouncing basic truths just because they are taught in university or can be identified as phenomena doesn't mean one should reject the obvious when there is nothing to replace it! Time is a great one because the world runs on time, and time is money, and death and taxes will always be with us, they will become more civil or more fairer but they will always be there, why? because there will always be those that require remedy and there will always be social benefit or social good for all to enjoy. yes things need fixing, money needs to become fairer and the wealth needs to be distributed, rights needs redemption and as technology moves on and people start to more serve each other than corporations life for all will improve. There will always be those that seek to control and exploit and there will always those to stand up and point them out too. Like the rings on trees and layers in the earth, like the beat of living organisms that stand testament to time on earth, and light itself stands testament to creation itself. Light and time can not shake your hand and can not present itself as a lawful claim to man creatures, but I assure you, Time exist's.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

and now for something completely different!

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Ben House-Of Thompson

I don't know about ITCCS? BUT, either way, it will always be marred by the Catholic Church and the molesting and rape and murder of children, it is kind of like trying to invite people to a poo party, people won't generally even turn up for a look! Maybe there needs to be a NON religious NON cult focussed International Court, headed by the Sovereign People of Aotearoa, if we can use social networking and viral videos to get enough people to join to be large enough (in NZ first) to pack a unified punch as far as Common Law goes! It would even be possible to vote in enough people to be considered as a JURY OF PEERS?

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Ben House-Of Thompson

OPPT and these other groups tried to knock people off for A REASON!!!! the reason, POWER is POWERFUL and they right know it.

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Arthur Cristian

Bring forward an experience without MAN party to the experience! To us, everything experienced by MAN is created by MAN. Without MAN, there is no experience of life. Without MAN, there can be no creation/life. All thoughts of the past or the future needs MAN to exist in present sense to think and feel them. Without MAN existing in present-sence, no thoughts of the past or the future can be thought or felt (experienced). Without MAN existing, nothing of the dream of life exists/can be experienced. Some say, "but the trees, birds, aliens, other life-forms, etc, wil still exist". We reply, "but a MAN said that - imagine there is no MAN existing to experience/sense the question to answer it? It is MAN setting the experience of aliens, UFO's, Crop Circles, etc, into motion and it is MAN (others) at the effect of such experiences. The fact is, some of MAN have turned against all of MAN. What we don't know is being used against us. So much for full-disclosure.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

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Thought forms are created/experienced by MAN - can anyone prove otherwise? As we shared: "Bring forward an experience without MAN party to the experience"! this includes thought forms. Bring forward "Thought Form" to stand before us as a first party - lets hear it, have a first party to first party direct experience of thought form without a MAN having to re-present/perform for it, act on behalf of it, regardless of costume/title or not. If we can't then all we've got is a MAN under the "story-telling" of belief! In the middle of the word belief is the word lie and in the middle of the word lie is "i" and "i" is the greatest lie/liar of all.

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Arthur Cristian

Ben, there is so much more information/insights to contemplate on, to step back and see the bigger picture, to stand on the highest point so we can look out over everything going on and see what is really going on, how everything of "The System" interconnects with everything, how it all really works, etc. We are not hear to shove our views down your throat, however, if you ever get around to it, can get past the "Story-Telling" that stops you and read the views/insights we've been sharing for many "years" now, you might come to see/sense that nothing of "The System" can save us from continued slavery and harm-doing to MAN/Earth/Nature. Unless we withdraw from "The System" the issues of MANS brainwashing, enslavement and harm-doing continues. This is incontrovertible fact - we've proven this over and over and over again in debates going back to 2005/2006. Refer to links already provided in this thread like:

So You Want The Good Bits Of "The System"
But Not The Bad Bits?

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 12th August 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8468

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Ben House-Of Thompson

who are we, but the whole of creation expressed.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

ok I will give you one other to evade (I mean answer), Can you jump in your unregistered car and drive around Australia (or where ever you are, I think Australia?) without an officer pulling you over and either uplifting your car and/or causing you harm?

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Ben House-Of Thompson

truthfully?

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Arthur Cristian

To us, that's what MAN is and when we remember who we really are we stop reacting to trauma, we stop the duality struggle, we stop believing lies. The fact is, we (MAN) are creating everything going on and only we can stop it. MAN is the ONLY one that can set thoughts/images into motion. In present-sense its best we set our freedom into motion than a diluted severely compromised version of it trapped in the "story-telling" of OPPT, ITCCS, Thrive, Zeitgeist, Common Law, Govern-men-t, etc.....

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Arthur Cristian

This MAN does not drive an unregistered car.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

ok, well how ever you term it?

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Ben House-Of Thompson

travel in your vessel? what ever you call it Arthur

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Arthur Cristian

This MAN is not "Of Their World" - Is in their world communicating with the living-dead, but is not of it.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

can you or can you not?

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Ben House-Of Thompson

ok ok ok, i know your evasive programming is habit but?????

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Arthur Cristian

You are "of the system", asking questions on behalf of it" This MAN does not see you - you speak gobbledygook to this MAN.

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Arthur Cristian

Do you comprehend?

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Ben House-Of Thompson

perfectly

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Ben House-Of Thompson

you refuse to answer, yet again

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Arthur Cristian

This MAN is not answerable to another man.

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Ben House-Of Thompson i am not any thing you say,

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Arthur Cristian

You are acting DUMB Ben, no offense intended. It's obvious the penny has not dropped for you - no "mind" games are being played here with you.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

aha, so you are going to evade it, because you have NOTHING, but fantasy and word games, boring old, yesterday, learnt from THIS LIFE word games

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Ben House-Of Thompson

yea, your mixing law terms with our conversation in some lame attempt to say something without actually answering it, they have a word for that DECEPTION

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Ben House-Of Thompson

you are able to answer nothing

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Arthur Cristian

You are filtering everything this MAN is sharing with you through your belief system which is all about reaction to trauma, meaning you are fighting to survive its pretense.

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Arthur Cristian

You are making a lot of claims here Ben. You have no facts. You continually try to kidnap this MANS character so you can impersonate this MAN, making out what you claim to be this MANS thoughts, feelings, actions, intentions, etc, are of this MAN, when in fact you are lying, you made it all up. You are actually committing slander and fraud here Ben.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

ok right, it took me a little while to catch on, but you will see from my no longer entertaining your madness or post's that I have figured you out. And my view is the same as it was to begin with. You have very little in the way of remedy. Thank you for your confusion, I reject it as evidently and proven falsehood and are finished with conversing. If anyone has any REAL remedy to discuss I will re enter the talk.

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Arthur Cristian

As already shared "you are filtering everything this MAN is sharing with you through your belief system which is all about reaction to trauma, meaning you are fighting to survive its pretense." We suggest you put your belief system to the test to see/experience how it stacks up - much smarter than filtering everything through your belief system, keeping what fits in with it and throwing out everything else that does not. This type of attitude/behaviour will NEVER bring you to remedy Ben.

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Arthur Cristian

All the best to you and your family.

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Ben House-Of Thompson

No Arthur, I actually just asked you 2 simple questions which you evaded, deflected and then accused me of fraud? But did not answer simple questions with a simple answer! It is as simple as that. Why is it you evade these basic and easy to answer questions? Because you can not! So you invent a whole story about how this MAN is committing fraud instead! Ant one reading this crap can see as evident. If you had truth of any kind you would have answered and because of this deceptive game you are choosing to play! It is game over for you! Just bullshit mixed with word games and deception, just like your videos and your website. Total and complete confusion without a single remedy. Result of which is FAIL. Like I first said, nothing has changed. You should have been a politician, they are also adept at not answering simple questions. For me and my family and friends I am we'll advised to no longer entertain your doggy do, I will follow that SOUND ADVICE. I hope for your redemption, enjoy your good fresh healthy food and gardens, they are your only remedy!

27 August at 13:09

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Ben House-Of Thompson

And now for something completely different

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Actually this thread is now littered with Arthur's none sense so unless any one ELSE has anything to discuss concerning lawful remedy? Arthur you have made it painfully clear you don't believe in lawful remedy so best you not respond as you have nothing to contribute but changing the subject to madness! If someone has interest in your ideas they know where to find you! As you have littered this thread with your links and are the prime reason the subject of this thread continually gets nowhere and is hijacked continually. We all see your view and that's awesome I think you have managed to end all contributor ideas (except yours).

27 August at 13:19

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Ben House-Of Thompson

Sorry Simon Kaiwai, I have to remove this thread as far as my part in it as I have grown bored waiting for the subject to be discussed, Arthur has hijacked the thread and I have no desire to enter his madness and non remedy!

27 August at 13:24

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Amac Hine

Interesting....I say sought your own sovereignty and help the next until most know human rights and common law..Every man knowing his legal power is very powerful indeed.@Ben. I like the Jury of Peers ideal...

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Sally Anne

i saw that film.. and like zeitgeist... i chose not to be in a movement, rather, keep goin and keep learning... too much time spent looking backwards in this life... too many souls captured in battles and conflict... this is not who we are

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Arthur Cristian

Ben, here is another example clearly demonstrating the power of NON-SENSE, as in "time", in this case "crop circles".

Crop Circles Is A Massive Hoax
Facebook Discussion On Simon Kawai's Wall
Involving Arthur & Fiona Cristian
31st August 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8470

By blaming others for your circumstances you will keep showing up as a victim. All you are really doing is fighting very hard to "survive" your beLIEf systems (LIE SYSTEMS).

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Arthur Cristian

This video covers this ground in great detail: "Under The Spell Of Intellectual Property":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMK7CkU1ih8

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The Cristian Family November 2006

Crop Circles Is A Massive Hoax
Facebook Discussion On Simon Kawai's Wall
Involving Arthur & Fiona Cristian

31st August 2013

Link: https://www.facebook.com/skaiwai/posts/10151616300291299

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Simon Kaiwai

Shared Dawning Golden Crystal Age's photo.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1234478_608154135...
and
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=608154135893776&set=a.1818249385...

The size of Four Soccer Fields is the father of all crop circles till date!

The size of 3 largest Cricket Stadiums!

The size of a large railway station!

1740 X 1480 feet wide crop formation

This miracle with perfection occurred in Southern Holland (Netherlands) near a town called Goes on the August 7th 2009.

THE WORLD HAS NOT BEEN TOLD OF THE TRUTH.

A massive silencing campaign had been pursued against it as it made a lot of people extremely nervous!

The farmer who owns this land NEVER gave permission for anyone to make this CC on his land.

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Simon Kawai said "Beautiful messages"

Crop Circles Is A Massive Hoax - See: <a href=http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8470 photo 1234478_608154135893776_952421206_n_zpsc5ca74bf.png"/>

23 August at 03:01

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Simon Kaiwai

This doco is well worth a watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54ZoRDApqGU
Star dreams - exploring the mystery of crop circles

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Grhys Man

i like how we can GPS lines but put mass circles and angles in the mix overnight and humans aint got a damn thing,and don't any dork talk of folk with rope and plank,there is some shit hot maths on every single one

23 August at 04:50

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Simon Kaiwai

Ben McEvoy - care to explain these?

23 August at 05:26

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Chris Watson

man is the butterfly good one, pretty easy to understand that one not too cryptic

23 August at 06:28

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Ben McEvoy

Hahahahaha!! CROP CIRCLES??! Wow Simon, this beats even chem trails in the "gibbering credulity" stakes.

Nothing at all to say on this one, I'm afraid. If you really think "some people worked out a way to do it" is less likely than "aliens" as an explanation, then best of luck with that.

PS: You do know that the first crop circles were admitted as hoaxes, right? And that humans can and have created far larger and more complex structures than these?

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Ben McEvoy

Holy crap, Grhys, I hadn't thought of that - you're right! There's no way humans could do MATHS!! And ANGLES??!? Who ever heard of a human being able to understand ANGLES?!?

Like GPS, I get - that's just a system which uses triangulation (angles) to calculate (maths) a position on the earth by communicating with satellites which humans have built and launched into space.

But the idea that humans could use maths and angles to stamp down some wheat in a field???! OBVIOUSLY PREPOSTEROUS!!

And that only leaves one sensible conclusion: Aliens have travelled millions of light years across the universe to a rare inhabited planet, using technology beyond our imagination and then, having accomplished this amazing feat and with a chance to contact a new civilisation, they: draw some circles in a field.

23 August at 08:28

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Ben McEvoy

And here's the link to the original hoaxers, Doug and Dave from Southampton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETprYIAqQ5E
Doug and Dave - Coast to Coast 1991
Doug Bower and Dave Chorley break their story to the world.

23 August at 08:32

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Chris Watson

it is artwork appreciate it

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Ben McEvoy

Haha - now Chris, that I can agree with. Quite impressive as a form of art

23 August at 08:33

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Chris Watson

awe inspiring I think and the messages from the artists are like in most art left to your personal imagination, if it elevates your sense of well being great, if not, there may be thought processes in how you interpret your experience that could do with some fine tuning

23 August at 08:41

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Ben McEvoy

Oh I agree, Chris - art can be very uplifting and the results of human endeavour to create something like this gets a huge mark of respect from me also. Let's just not get distracted by the tawdry business of crediting their hard work to aliens!

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Chris Watson

wouldn't matter to me if it were aliens or not hehehe I will acknowledge that possibility when they reveal themselves to me personally until then it is just incredible and very much personally appreciated art, the message in the art for me is that the artist is of a mind that man is evolving like the butterfly does.

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Jim Paddington

The US military industrial complex has some crazy technology that might be capable of such accuracy in such a short time. But what would be their motive for making such great art if it was an organisation such as them? lol, it's beautiful nonetheless

23 August at 10:42

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Simon Kaiwai

Ben - if you actually watch the doco you would get some context into the Ben and Dave hoax and be able to compare what they did with the others. If you watched.....

24 August at 04:21

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Ben McEvoy

No interest in this one, Simon. Just completely obviously man made. And I can only hope you are trolling again, rather than actually serious

24 August at 06:38

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Jim Paddington

I like to entertain the thought, good doco

24 August at 08:19

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Simon Kaiwai

If ever there was a demonstration of a closed mind look no further than Ben

24 August at 08:44

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Arthur Cristian

We are with Ben on this one Simon - to us all crop circles are man-made, as are all ufo's, aliens, technology, etc.

Bring forward an experience without MAN party to the experience!

To us, everything experienced by MAN is created by MAN.

Without MAN, there is no experience of life.

Without MAN, there can be no creation/life.

All thoughts of the past or the future needs MAN to exist in present sense to think and feel them.

Without MAN existing in present-sense, no thoughts of the past or the future can be thought or felt (experienced).

Without MAN existing, nothing of the dream of life exists/can be experienced. Some say, "but the trees, birds, aliens, other life-forms, etc, will still exist". We reply, "but a MAN said that - imagine there is no MAN existing to experience/sense the question to answer it?

It is MAN setting the experience of aliens, UFO's, Crop Circles, etc, into motion and it is MAN (others) at the effect of such experiences. The fact is, some of MAN have turned against all of MAN. What we don't know is being used against us.

So much for full-disclosure.

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Simon Kaiwai

Obviously I cannot bring forward an experience that is without Man as I am one. That is not to discount that things happen without Man. I do hear your point Arthur about all being a dream of Man but am not convinced of it at this time.

27 August at 03:57

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Poppy Just-Poppy

Imagine - a world without duality, imagine all the people living for the day. You may say I am a dreamer but I'm not the only one.

27 August at 05:55

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Simon Kaiwai

Whether they are man made or not is not really the question - we can learn from acts of Man just as acts of non-man. The beauty of many of these crop circles is astounding and the doco well worth a watch for those that wish to learn more about them

27 August at 07:48

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Piripi Mihaka

The crop circle messages throughout America and Europe show astronomy celestial constellations, human dna mutated humans, transhumanistic dna, part animal and man of all sorts, these things are not normal whether they are human or non human made, beautiful pretty or with knowledge of stars not good, in the Bible they are know as fallen stars with satan, in human history they call them ancient ancestor aliens through to today Aliens, Honestly I don't like their(crop circle) implications and feel whoever done them have no good intentions to humanity....

27 August at 08:35

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Ben McEvoy

I keep an open mind, Simon. Just not so open than my brain falls out. Disappointing to see you reverting to form with ad hominem attacks, by the way. Is it not acceptable to you that I might have a different point of view? Why would you invite my views, then call me closed-minded for having them? Are only those who absolutely agree with you 'open minded'?

27 August at 16:01

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Simon Kaiwai

Because you so quickly dis the entire worth of visible shapes in crops at the same time as stating you won't look into it other than googling for the first instance of mn made shapes imitating such (poorly I might add)

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Arthur Cristian

Using sound, light, frequency, pressure exertion, etc, patents exist for such technologies and regardless of shape, size or mapping of celestial bodies and DNA (all this was known to ancient man-made civilisations), it's not hard for man-made mathematical configurations to be expressed via such technologies, including laser, to create such complexed crop circles. There is no natural purpose for them and nothing of nature (includes celestial bodies) needs them to exist so they may exist. To us, what exposes the hoax.... they're all crafted out of "intellectual property" and promote "intellectual property". Like demonic apparitions (thought forms) coming through a pentagram or not, they fade away quickly whence they came. There is no permanency about crop circles. And they appear during the "end-times" of the Freemasonic/Satanic self-fulfilling prophecies (NWO), how convenient. Crop circles are derived from black-magic rooted in mysticism/secrecy and alchemy (system science).

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Simon Kaiwai

How do you explain the crops yielding over 30% more in the crop circle area? How can crop circles represent intellectual property when no one claims ownership? They appear as a harmless part inside a natural cycle

28 August at 03:27

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Poppy Just-Poppy

And isn't it wonderful to simply be in awe!

28 August at 08:14

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Piripi Mihaka

Yes in short man has been influenced..... once again.... by a horrible deceptive force to develop technologies, esoteric/esoterrestrial knowledge (the ability to destroy and recreate) which has been hidden by a select few and only revealed now to fulfil Bible prophesy to deceive man perpetually bringing forth the NWO agenda of evil practices manifested as a false life living forever travelling the universe ha ha ha crazy, stupid and dumb....

28 August at 08:36

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Arthur Cristian

There are "1001" instances where MAN has created vast amounts of natural abundance in small spaces just by the consistent focus of MANS pure and sincere intentions set into motion as labour, etc, bouncing back at us. Our labour is the life-force-energy we charge the images of our intention with. One plant can produce many thousands of seeds - MANS sensory-dream charged with MANS life-force-energy can expand the sensory-dream a thousand fold.

We (MAN) are so powerful - only MAN can set thoughts into motion - all thoughts are images - all dreams are images - we have the power of creation, the gift of life to set life into motion - life is an image and by focusing on an image we give life to expand the image we are dreaming/co-creating for/together.

At its heart/source, life is derived from our life. The life-force energy we set into motion is love, is the gift/power of life set into motion. It is MAN making blood flow from a wood carved crucified Jesus on a wooden cross or tears flowing from a rock carving of the Virgin Mary, etc. Get many of us focusing on the same image and we give (magnify) this collective image (with) immense power. We go to war like this - Facebook blossomed out of this - banks, governments, political parties, corporations, sport teams, etc, expand like this. All is man-made. We are creating everything going on including the sun shining. "The System" is constructed in this same way - everything of "The System" is constructed in this way. We expand "The System" by the many men and women who believe/worship, have faith, have associated opinions about/for "The System".

Nature also responds with our collective co-creation of a common dream, purpose, intention, love, etc. When we get past (see through / awaken-from) the Freemasonic/Satanic duality trap, everything of life starts making sense, "starts falling correctly into place" (so to speak).

1, 2, 3, a, b, c, compass, square and every nonsensical image derived from these man-made constructs are "intellectual property". You can ONLY look at a crop circle through the brainwashing of 1, 2, 3, a, b, c, compass, square, etc. We can ONLY communicate knowledge about crop circles through 1, 2, 3, a, b. c, compass, square, etc. Crop Circles are NOT sensory life-forms, they cannot, walk, talk, think, feel, poo, wee, negotiate, contract, create, set its own image (life) into motion. They can't communicate with you directly as their is no sensory-life-form there.

Alice In Wonderland needs your performance for these non-nonsensical images ("intellectual property") to be set into motion, they have no free-will, no life to do this - same with crop circles, it is the story-telling (brainwashing of 1, 2, 3, a, b, c, compass, square, etc) bouncing to and fro between your ears that is performing the story-telling of crop circles, same with Alice in Wonderland. The crop circle cannot set life into motion because there is no life there to set life into motion and is why no one can sense a crop circle. This clearly demonstrates that crop circles are a man-made Freemasonic/Satanic deception. We can ONLY RE-PRESENT the "Intellectual Property we were brainwashed/conditioned to perform/act.

You have to be under a spell (1, 2, 3, a, b, c, compass, square, etc) to be sucked in. We were all taught to spell to be under the (their) spell. Besides our ancestors invaded, decimated and enslaved, education is the most terrible thing ever done to all of us.

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Arthur Cristian

Please don't take this the wrong way Poppy, but ONLY the dumbed down and stupid could ever be in awe of something dead.

28 August at 18:38

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Poppy Just-Poppy

I don't hold the same belief about where the crop circles come from Arthur so I can happily be in awe of it, like a beautiful sunrise, the sun glistening on the ocean, the light shining through new spring leaves, that kind of thing, not so dumb or stupid. It's simply appreciation and love for life.

28 August at 18:41

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Poppy Just-Poppy

And maybe if MAN is the creator of everything around him/her we could be in awe of the whole thing when we take all judgement out of the way.

28 August at 18:43

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Poppy Just-Poppy

Maybe we could embrace ourselves as divine consciousness, expressing ourselves in just the perfect place we need to grow and learn in

28 August at 18:43

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Poppy Just-Poppy

Maybe we are all magnificent, and all beings are equal and have a purpose. How we respond to is up to us.

28 August at 18:44

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Poppy Just-Poppy

All this on a perceivably good day of course, but then that is judgement creeping in again. How to hold all we know and live it out - that is a trick

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Arthur Cristian

Crop Circles can ONLY be constructed out of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, compass, square - all sensory-life-forms, inanimate or not ARE NOT.

28 August at 18:51

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Poppy Just-Poppy

Do you have a guru complex?

28 August at 18:53

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Poppy Just-Poppy

Are you in awe of your sponsors?

28 August at 18:54

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Arthur Cristian

The psychological tactics of crop circles used to con the innocent and gullible needs to be exposed otherwise the damage done to MAN will be far far worse than the combined psychological tactics used behind all religions and mythologies as recorded across all Freemasonic/Satanic ages. Think of politicians kissing babies too.

28 August at 18:55

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Poppy Just-Poppy

How can MAN be without belief while he/she is in physical form Arthur. All you write comes from strong belief.

28 August at 18:56

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Arthur Cristian

There is no belief here Poppy. What is shared here is factual - evidential - it stands.

28 August at 18:58

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Poppy Just-Poppy

You believe crop circles are used to con the innocent and gullible, do you not?

28 August at 18:58

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Poppy Just-Poppy

Belief is formed based on information, knowledge and interpretations of events. There is no escaping that in physical form.

28 August at 18:59

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Arthur Cristian

This is not a belief poppy - is evidential - is fact.

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Poppy Just-Poppy

So you believe it is evidential?

28 August at 19:01

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Arthur Cristian

Does a child have to first believe in a tree before the child can sense/experience the tree????

28 August at 19:02

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Arthur Cristian

Does a child need education to know the tree?

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Poppy Just-Poppy

And what does that matter in the big scheme of things anyway? I constantly hear messages of you attempting to tell people how to think and believe and it is not resonating with me, only in part.

28 August at 19:02

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Poppy Just-Poppy

A child only calls it a tree once they are told it is a tree and that is what they are to call it.

28 August at 19:03

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Arthur Cristian

That is your story/belief Poppy - where have we said to you or anyone that we want you to believe in what we are saying???

28 August at 19:03

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Poppy Just-Poppy

A child wouldn't give a toss whether it was a tree or not.

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Arthur Cristian

"A child only calls it a tree once they are told it is a tree and that is what they are to call it." This is FRAUD and is a LIE.

28 August at 19:04

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Poppy Just-Poppy

Maybe it is a just a bad case of excessive posting

28 August at 19:04

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Poppy Just-Poppy

Bold statement there Arthur. That is your story

28 August at 19:05

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Poppy Just-Poppy

Your belief

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Arthur Cristian

This is fact Poppy.

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Poppy Just-Poppy

Language is a problem isn't it

28 August at 19:06

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Arthur Cristian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMK7CkU1ih8
The Dream Of Life Part 6
Under The Spell Of Intellectual Property
Arthur Cristian

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Poppy Just-Poppy

A child would probably happily play in a crop circle too

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Poppy Just-Poppy

No band width sorry

28 August at 19:07

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Poppy Just-Poppy

I have looked in depth into your stuff. I have had a lot of respect for most of it.

28 August at 19:07

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Poppy Just-Poppy

I don't understand the aggressive energy I feel from you though

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Arthur Cristian

In nature, a child would not recognise a crop circles man-made constructed existence unless it was taken up by an Eagle to see its dead-corpse image carved amongst the living sensory-life-forms. Same with everyone, without dead-corpse fictions ("intellectual property") like satellites, aeroplanes, etc, MAN would not be thinking about crop circles.

28 August at 19:10

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Poppy Just-Poppy

I feel very drained with our communications. This is not a good sign.

28 August at 19:11

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Arthur Cristian

There is NO aggressive energy coming from us Poppy - zilch - this is just more story-telling (reactions to trauma) coming from you Poppy. Are you in this room with us to be sure about this?

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Arthur Cristian

It seems you are fighting for a belief system Poppy that are just demons ("intellectual property") possessing (draining) you.

28 August at 19:13

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Poppy Just-Poppy

Who is without trauma? We all have it, you too.

28 August at 19:13

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Poppy Just-Poppy

I am happy to belief what I believe and if it causes me psychological stress, then I will evaluate it and do my mind/body practices to transform it. I will choose when i do this. I have been committed to these processes for many years. It is my own journey and I do best when working with my own guidance system, thus staying empowered and regaining aliveness.

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Arthur Cristian

We do not use you as an excuse for our lives Poppy. However, you seem to be using us as an excuse for your present-life-experience. We have never asked you or told you to perform in the way you are presently acting.

28 August at 19:16

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Poppy Just-Poppy

I can reassure that you have little to do with my life experiences. That sounds like a guru complex to me.

28 August at 19:17

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Arthur Cristian

You are making up claims that are not of our making Poppy.

28 August at 19:18

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Arthur Cristian

Debating/discussing truth is not a guru complex unless you want to put everyone who scrutinises in the same basket-case!

28 August at 19:19

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Poppy Just-Poppy

I am just gaining more information. I don't understand what you say, I just see so many threads that are being hijacked with you apparently pushing a cause that is really hard to understand. By calling people dumb and stupid is making up claims as far as I can make out.

28 August at 19:19

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Poppy Just-Poppy

Anyway, thanks for the talk, gotta go now.

28 August at 19:20

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Arthur Cristian

Filtering all information through a belief system to protect and survive it will have you write off everything and everyone that/who does not fit into it. We always put all belief systems to the test - we use the blow torch of scrutiny to see how belief-systems stack up - they all get incinerated - we always go where the sensory-logic of truth takes us.

28 August at 19:24

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Arthur Cristian

Re-presenting "intellectual property" (beliefs) will have us show up as being dumb and stupid - this is nothing to be ashamed about - we've been waking up for years peeling away heaps of belief systems (spells) that had us show up as being dumb and stupid. We are not interested in "pride", etc, we clean up our act, apologise with whoever if we have harmed anyone, and move on with the jewels/insights. There was no intention coming from us to do harm to you Poppy - is why we said "please don't take this the wrong way".

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Simon Kaiwai

Have you watched the doco Arthur? If you had you would know that there is much more to be experienced in the crop circles than just needing a "plane or satellite" to see. I agree with Poppy Just-Poppy - you are taking evidential facts and putting an interpretation on them but calling your interpretation facts and others fraud and lies. A child is told a tree is a tree if they are spoken to in English. Or are you suggesting that we all know names of all things inherently and it is irrelevant what we are told as we don't learn anything from others?

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Arthur Cristian

Simon, can you prove what we are saying to be false? Can you please bring forward the first parties, "crop circles" and whoever is making them, to back your claims. We don't want men and women, 3rd parties, acting as re-presentatives of crop circles coming forward as the crop circle "story-tellers", under costume and title or not, communicating with us, the first parties. Lets have a direct first party to first party experience.

If you or anyone else can't do/arrange this then this exposes the blatant fraud and lies peddled by Crop Circle "story-tellers".

Where can millions of innocent children, not exposed to "The System" or to anyone exposed to "The System", go anywhere in nature, including celestial bodies, to learn all about the story-telling knowledge of crop circles without you or any other man or woman (already exposed to "The System") having to explain it to them....... and regardless of how "The System" was/is used to indoctrinate/brainwash innocent children).

With senses there is NO need for mathematical based alphabet languages ("intellectual property") to give names to any sensory life-form, inanimate or not. Using our senses again (not non-sense images) already is the true communication of all sensory life-forms. Every grain of sand is original. Each grain of sand uniquely shares the originality of its purpose for the dream of life. This comes from direct experience but unfortunately for almost all of us, we've all endured/received extensive brainwashing (story-telling) by 3rd parties (that sensory-life-form is a daffodil and is yellow) that we are trapped in the re-presentation of non-sense images believing they are true, when the fact is they are not. White has become black and black white - lies becoming truth and truth becoming lies.

The whole of all sensory-life-forms, inanimate or not, of nature/earth don't use non-sense images ("intellectual property") to communicate their purpose, they have no need for alpha bullshit ("intellectual property"). No non-sense education is required.

Why do we need to talk/story-tell-the-spell the Freemasonic/Satanic invaders and conquerors of our ancestors alpha bullshit non-sensory languages ("intellectual property"), full of codes only those initiated into their secrets buried in cryptography, etymology & phonetics can/could "know"?

Unless there is a direct experience, first party to first party, we have no need to be distracted by bullshit ("intellectual property") which crop circle documentaries heavily peddle.

The point is......... all of us were not supposed to be under the image-power ("intellectual property") of other men and women telling us how to think, feel and act about anything because when that happens who we really are and what we are really part of is being gradually destroyed and here we all are waking up in the middle of this ("intellectual property") 3rd party brainwashing nightmare trying to regain/heal who we really are and what we are really part of. We were all supposed to have unique and original thoughts/dreams/lives - this can't happen under the image-power of other men and women telling us hot to create our lives and how to see through their eyes to know what life is all about.

Living-creator is unique and original - everything of living-creator is unique and original too. MAN is living-creator but a dumbed down hue-MAN is no longer a unique/original MAN - a hue-MAN has a "name" rooted in "intellectual property" - in "The System" of Freemasonry/Satanism all sensory life-forms, inanimate or not are given "name". Welcome to the Yellow Brick Road and Alice In Wonderland Through The Looking Glass ("intellectual property"). May you have a "nice" stay in hell - a price must be paid though!

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Simon Kaiwai

Arthur Cristian - Crop circles are self evident. I do not surround them with stories but am willing to entertain possibilities around meaning and source. If you wish to bring them forth I suggest you join the caravan of people that follow them around the world. You will then see them with your own eyes as any child could, feel how you feel, take what you take from it. Seems to be an individual thing so who knows what that will be for you... certainly not me. Seems you haven't watched the doco yet otherwise perhaps you wouldn't be claiming crop circles as owned by any party, with a fixed story and one size fits all meaning. My take is the opposite of that. Your desire to be met in the first 3 dimensions before anything is real cuts off a lot of possibility.

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Arthur Cristian

Simon, there is no such thing/s as 3, 4 or 5 dimensions, etc - this is just more "intellectual property" (story-telling) garbage.

All across the recorded ages of "The System" came story-telling "myths", "lores", "gods", "higher beings", "other worlds", "supernatural forces and entities", "cosmic phenomena", etc, used to cast hypnotic spells over duped men, women and children trained to go along with story lines (belief, faith, associated opinion, worship), all the while trapped and enslaved serving a tiny few hiding behind veils of man-made story-telling deception, illusion, fantasy, mysticism, magic, etc.

Crop Circles continues MANS enslavement to "The System". When you peel back all religions, churches, myths, lores, civilisations of all types, New Age, occults, esoterics, ancient philosophies, "oneness", "spirituality", etc, etc, what do you find as a common denominator threaded through all of them and which is being performed in every-day practical sense???? THE SYSTEM....!!!!

Statues of Zeus is "self-evident" man-made fiction, same with Crop Circles. They are both DEAD.

You can go along with the wonderment of crop circles as much as you like but they offer NO REMEDY to get MAN out of "The System" and all you have on offer no matter what you dredge up is man-made "story-telling" (belief, faith and associated opinion).

Like a tree is used to have us pretend/believe it is "money", that currency exists - crops are also used to have us believe crop-circles exist but all we see is wheat or whatever of nature was used to make unnatural shapes with them. No matter how much anyone believes money exists, the physical material form of money will always be brought forward as destroyed trees, mountains, earth-minerals, etc, - same with crop-circles, you can spin as much story-telling around crop-circles as you want but all we will really see, that can be brought forward, are agricultural crops planted by farmers, etc.

A MAN can act as a police officer as much as he wants but no matter how much a MAN will use his persuasive powers to convince someone else that his re-presentation of police officer exists and has authority and force, all he can bring forward is the MAN - the police officer can never be brought forward - same with little Mary performing Alice in Wonderland.

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Allen Rehbein

i agree

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Allen Rehbein

Arthur Cristian you know nothing of GOD He who created all things

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Arthur Cristian

The thought of God Is NOT God Alan. Bring forward this he God to back your claim?

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Allen Rehbein

i am

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Allen Rehbein

and you most certainly have nothing backing yours

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Allen Rehbein

Arthur Cristian is a story teller

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Simon Kaiwai

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=506020516142036&set=a.1256034008...

Timeline Photos
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I see You
by: Illuminati Exposed Media

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Allen Rehbein

you got it right

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Allen Rehbein

just because man has it all messed up , and is so miss lead don't put that on GOD

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Matt King

In the illustration it shows a man waiting on God Lack of faith and God has sent him all these signs ... from what I am sensing Arthur/Fiona say is that they are experiencing Nature/sky/earth/first hand thus Sense/Nature is the Co-Creator alive with no label for Sense/Spirit is life creating life with no third party this is Innocence where all our gifts come forth and no need for third party experiences we are Sense/moment/love moving and creating to the fullness of Creation ...

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Arthur Cristian

Yep Lynne - spot on. Not sure if Allen is directing this comment at us "just because man has it all messed up , and is so miss lead don't put that on GOD" - we've never made such claims or have implied/intended such claims. If you want to have a debate with us Allen so we can together put these claims to the test then lets get on with it. We are happy to discuss this with you privately as well if you feel this is more suitable for you. You are also claiming God is a "He" - please bring forward this "God" so we can have a direct experience.

Arthur had direct first party to first party experiences with living-creator in "The System" "time" of January 2006 & 1979 - Living-creator revealed its face as androgynous - there was no separation between male/he or female/she - Living-Creator is/was WHOLE. We are not asking you to believe this - just sharing our direct experiences. Also Earth/Nature is androgynous as is MAN.

Allen, you are also claiming that Arthur is a "story-teller", can you please bring forward incontrovertible proof of your claim to back your claim. Throughout much of our Love For Life work we regularly say to everyone not to believe in anything we say - to use scrutiny (their brain/senses) and go where the logic of truth/sense takes them. "Story-telling" is rooted in "belief, faith and associated opinion" causing believers to claim these beliefs are truth.

We can back this claim: "Bring forward an experience without MAN party to the experience! To us, everything experienced by MAN is created by MAN. Without MAN, there is no experience of life. Without MAN, there can be no creation/life. All thoughts of the past or the future needs MAN to exist in present sense to think and feel them. Without MAN existing in present-sense, no thoughts of the past or the future can be thought or felt (experienced). Without MAN existing, nothing of the dream of life exists/can be experienced. Some say, "but the trees, birds, aliens, other life-forms, etc, will still exist". We reply, "but a MAN said that - imagine there is no MAN existing to experience/sense the question to answer it? It is MAN setting the experience of aliens, UFO's, Crop Circles, etc, into motion and it is MAN (others) at the effect of such experiences. The fact is, some of MAN have turned against all of MAN. What we don't know is being used against us. So much for full-disclosure."

We are saying that MAN is LIVING-CREATOR - we prefer not to use the duality concept of "God" as it implies exclusivity, privilege, separation, division and requires, belief, faith and associated opinion because it is a fiction.

Allen, can you bring forward a He God to back your claim.

Allen, when you say "i am" are you implying that you are "God"?

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Arthur Cristian

Simon, to us the pictures you have posted, back what we have been saying for years - that living creator is in everything of life and is everything of life, including MAN in present sense.

Living creator, LIFE, Life energy, is in the trees (is the trees), mountains (is the mountains), sun (is the sun), rivers (is the rivers), valleys (is the valleys), flowers (is the flowers), birds (is the birds), etc.

We cannot experience the "God" of religion or New Age or mysticism or philosophies (including the "divine", "higher beings" "ascended masters") because it is nowhere to be found in sensory life around us but we can sense/feel the life (life-force-energy) of living creator here and now, every moment, if we choose to be aware/conscious of it.

There is life energy in the crops that have been used to make the crop circles but no life in the crop circle - what is it doing for life?

The pictures you posted do nothing to prove the "mystery" of crop circles.

Posting pictures of crop circles as proof that aliens or whatever exist, is no different to posting pictures of Jesus Christ as a crucified MAN on a cross with thorns around his head as proof that "God" exists.

It is just that the story-telling that surrounds crop circles is more cosmic, galactic, "one", etc, in line with the new-look system otherwise known as the NWO.

It's like Woolworths calling themselves the "fresh food people" when probably 95% of their stock in processed, dead food.

Crop circles have no life.

Without the story telling of crop circles going on between the ears, crop circles are just flattened crops, albeit in interesting shapes!

It is so easy to make things sound much more interesting and intriguing than they really are by bringing in some "other worldly" stories that get everyone oohing and aahing.

As for MAN not being able to create crop circles, as many claim, look at what we create daily in our system lives, moment by moment we are creating all the suffering, destruction, chaos, exclusivity, division, hatred, suicide, depression, sickness, etc, as well as the "wonders" of technology, engineering, construction, etc, some of which blows crop circles out of the water.

This is not easy to do, particularly when it goes directly against our true purpose which is the co-CREATION of (setting into motion) the dream of life. This is what MAN exists for and yet, daily, we are co-creating the destruction of life!!!!!

To us. promoting and "believing in" crop circles is promoting and "believing in" the next version of "The System" because a staged "alien invasion" is very likely, used to bring us to our knees in terror, screaming for someone to do something, whereupon the "Good Guys" (Knights Templars, etc) of "The System" rush forward with their "remedies", offering "hope" and "salvation" so that we can fall at their feet and follow them to the "safety" of the new version of "The System", still relying on others to feed us (instructing us to set into motion) the outcomes of our lives, still not taking full responsibility for our lives.

This is no different for the church "rescuing" people by telling them there is a higher power that is making the decisions for them so, phew, they don't have to worry about it.

The story telling around crop circles implies intervention by "higher powers"; could it be that these "higher powers" are sending us messages to help us get out of our plight? (refer to the three OPPT videos we posted on YouTube as they go more into such brilliant/clever Freemasonic/Satanic psychological attacks)

We have been so brainwashed into believing that we need someone/something "higher", "better", "purer", etc, than who we are, that this is what we give our LIFE-energy to (setting into motion) and keep creating (setting into motion) such outcomes.

How about setting into motion the thoughts and images of MAN being fully responsible for creating the outcome of our combined freedom, truth, joy, abundance.........

We are present to the story telling of "The System" so we create "The System". We (MAN) are the ONLY common-denominator.

When we are present to the storytelling of crop circles, we create a whole world of belief around crop circles. This is not different to creating lives around the story telling of the Roman Catholic Church, etc.

Just how vulnerable do you think those people following crop circles around the world will be to any staged event around crop circles - like lambs to the slaughter, they will fall for whatever images are beamed into crop circles because of their belief that crop circles represent more than just flattened crops.

To escape system brainwashing, we need to be very vigilant in scrutinising EVERYTHING because we have been sucking up system story telling since we were babies and are very, very vulnerable to it.

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Simon Kaiwai

Arthur - I don't care to guess how others will may react to a purportedly planned fabricated alien invasion. I also don't care to guess who is making the crop circles only that they exist, are beautiful and worth looking into. I do try to set in motion thoughts and images of Man being empowered and taking responsibility. Where's the story in that?

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Arthur Cristian

Simon, we've not said (directed this at you) that you are or are not - we are just generalising Simon, leaving what we share open for those to scrutinise what we say and use logic/sense to go where logic/sense takes them. The Love For Life work we do is all about this attitude.

Many people visit the Sydney Opera House or the Eiffel Tower or go to the top of the Empire State Building or The Great Wall Of China or visit other ancient dead-world ruins like the Sphinx or Great Pyramid Of Egypt or are in amazement and wonder as they watch fireworks explode over the Sydney Harbour Bridge into a myriad of Kaleidoscopic shapes on New Years Eve, etc. No different with Crop Circles.

Big Deal.

You do not care to guess how others may react to things but we do care to because we are aware of the vast array of IMAGE POWER used to keep everyone sucked into "The System" so that we continue to be slaves and so that our children become slaves. This is why we put so much effort into scrutinising all the information that comes our way and exposing anything that we sense/feel has the smell of system brainwashing and image power wafting around it.

This is how we empower MAN to take full responsibility.

It is a practical step towards freedom.

Look at everything very, very carefully and watch out for the stories that make things more wonderful, magical, etc than they really are.

If crop circles are the sign of the intervention of a higher power, well if that is all they can do for us, we are not very impressed. How about they come on down and help us kick start repairing Earth? How about they roll their eight sleeves up and help us clean the water and grow food forests across Earth, free the land, build natural do no harm habitats/shelter, transmute the 100,000+ poisons, chemicals, toxins saturating almost all of Earth/Nature/MAN, etc.

Millions of people have been "looking into" Jesus Christ, Mohammed, Allah, Buddha and every other god, mystical phenomenon, etc, for many years and, guess what - in present-sense we are still in a mess, we are still distracted, still destroying/consuming almost everything that lives (has life) and we are still succumbing to image power! All our "looking into" and "being open minded" hasn't got us far. Same with "crop circles", nothing has changed. Let's put our Life-energy into the practical steps to stop the destruction and start the healing process.

All these people following crop circles across Earth, are they still going to Supermarkets, etc, to buy their food and water, etc, or are the crop circles feeding them and quenching their thirst?????

Have the crop circles freed them from using passports, credit cards, bank accounts, etc???

Belief is not proof of fact/truth. Thus far in this thread, everyone pro crop circles coming from a higher power or whatever (not of MANS doing/making) have ONLY offered up their belief.. THAT'S ALL they have on offer to back their claims. They can't bring forward a first party "higher power" or whatever......... They have NOTHING.

Fantasy, delusion and illusion that are lies covered with pretty packaging can appear to exist to those who believe they exist but this does not mean they are real and have life to aid life in rolling along. They do not have life that we can sense and connect and communicate with and co-create with. Due to our trauma under "The System" and our reactions to trauma, we are very susceptible. Let's keep our wits and put away our pride - we have all fallen for the glib-speak of "The System" and will continue to do so unless we are prepared to really peel away the layers of lies.

Reality is of the living for the living. Truth is LIFE. There is NO LIFE in crop circles otherwise it would have ancestors buried, children playing, can be eaten, etc...... Just as a MAN is conned, tricked, used and abused to act in fiction as a police officer in costume and title the same applies with crop circles using natural crops to perform/act the fantasy of crop circles. There is no living 1st party here therefore there is no existence of crop circles. The ONLY common-denominator here is MAN - now it's about learning how some of our brothers/sisters are deceiving/tricking us. Aren't we all already learning about the tricks that have been used against us for "centuries"...... money, religions/church, wars, phonetics, etymology, cryptography used within the symbols of alphabet languages, architecture, etc,???

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Simon Kaiwai

We must agree to disagree then Arthur. I see no evidence that proves:
- all crop circles are man made, claimed as owned by someone, dead entities (as they involve living crops), are designed to deceive Man
We also have differences in opinion as to whether there is anything beyond the 3 dimensions that the common man experiences and that greater phenomenon cannot in fact be sensed. To clarify: I do care that what I put out is accurate and note/retract when I've been proven wrong.

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Sally Anne

simon.. it is a nice butterfly (0; much love from canada xx

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Arthur Cristian

Simon, unless you can bring forward a first party you have NOTHING to back your claims.

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Arthur Cristian

Also, bring forward the 3rd dimension or any other dimension based on alpha numerals to back your claims. If you can't this is just more incontrovertible evidence of story-telling at play here.

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Arthur Cristian

Simon, all you have on "offer" is belief - in the middle of the word belief is the word lie and in the middle of the word lie is "i" and "i" is the greatest lie and liar of all. In the middle of the story-telling of crop-circles are many liars and lies. ONLY in "The System" do you find "i" with all its story-telling "gods", "higher beings", "dimensions", "aliens", "UFO'S", and everything else that makes up "The System" of lies and liars. You can disagree as mush as you like but unless you can bring forward the living-sensory first party and while you continue peddling belief in crop-circles, intentional or not, innocent or not, you are showing up as a liar and a promoter/condoner of fraud.

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Simon Kaiwai

I acknowledge your strong belief in this matter Arthur.

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Glenn Holmes

Arthur you seem to be waving a pretty big 'I know it all' stick around with nothing to back you up. Just because these views you have expressed are your views, doesn't mean they are right.

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Arthur Cristian

Glenn, we are not claiming our views are "right" - we just refuse to "lie". So far we have been able to back all the views we've shared in this thread. We are not claiming that we are "know it all's". This is not our intention, behaviour, etc. This claimed attitude "know it all" does not come from us. As we have said before, we are not prepared to accept stories without sensory proof because, over the years we have uncovered lie upon lie upon lie being peddled by the System Masters so we have learnt to question everything if we are ever to unravel all the lies. We are not saying we know it all and have never said that but we will not just accept maybes and could bes and lots of story telling on top. Let's face it, all anyone knows about crop circles is that they are there. That's it! All the rest is story telling (NON-SENSE).

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Matt King

They cannot see the Forest for the Tree's Arthur you have laid the foundation of Sense/Natural Original man out so clearly detached from all personal belief's a Wolf would howl to its Innocence ......Time No Longer for only a handful stand on a firm foundation the Sacrifice has been made our Sense's will give us a direct experience when the system fail's everyone has made their choices ... Arthur/Fiona you have stuttered and stuttered and stuttered this fraudulent System Viru's and have exposed all the lies only translation lays ahead ....

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Arthur Cristian

Simon, in "The System", we are drowning in "niceness" but, under all the niceness are the lies. Nice marketed tasting lollies in pretty (nice) packaging with aspartame or sugar inside, "nice" supermarkets stocked with aisles upon isles of "nice" dead, processed food, "nice" cleaning products, "nice" toiletry items, etc, all making claims of health and safety but bringing only slow death, "nice" water full of chemicals advertised as "clean", and "nice" pharmaceutical drugs that claim to make us "better". "Nice" building products, "nice" paint, "nice" electricity, petrol, gas, vaccination, economy, education, Hollywood, media, alcohol, social/recreational drugs, wars, intervention, invasions, blockades, etc, etc........

There is no full disclosure on the "nice" packets or in the "nice" advertising. The lies are intentionally buried under the "nice" glossy surface.

Then we have the "nice" politicians kissing babies and then making decisions that bring misery to the lives of many, the "nice" banker shaking hands with the young couple and then foreclosing their mortgage a few years later, the "nice" God, Saviour, Messiah, Prophet, Priest, Church, Religion, Channelled Ramtha, New Age Philosophies, Courts, Judges, Barristers, Lawyers, Parliaments/Governments, Insurance Companies/Policies, Armies, Navy's, Police Force, Sheriffs, Bailiffs, Wardens, Jails, etc, etc.

The "niceness" of "The System" and everything of "The System" goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on as we lie to each other with sugary smiles on our faces.

The only reason we all know about the lies of the "nice" food and "nice" water and "nice" bankers is because truth-determiners have spent their days researching and spreading the word. This is what we are doing with crop circles and all other "nice" belief systems of "The System". Everything about "The System" is "NICE". To us, "nice" means lies and liars.

Only MAN can set thoughts/images into motion, to give thoughts/ideas power. It only requires "one" lie buried in amongst many morally correct do no harm truths to cause all the damage. Setting morally correct do no harm truths into motion will do no harm to MAN/Earth/Nature BUT while we're not conscious of the lies ("nice"), we continue setting harm/destruction/chaos/etc into motion.

Sure, crop circles are very very "nice", they are pretty, they are "mystical" but that does not mean there are not lies in and around them, whether through their making, or through dis-information or through an intention to mould people's thinking. And surely we all know that those behind "The System" are masters at moulding our thinking.

The greatest lie/liar is the "one" closet to truth - they cause the greatest harm to MAN/Earth/Nature, It is critical we rout out all the "NICE' lies/liars.

In great detail in this thread we've explained more than enough reasons why belief in "NICE" Crop Circles will continue doing harm to MAN/Earth/Nature.

The "nice" evidence is incontrovertible - Freemasonic/Satanic recorded his-story/her-story (history) of "nice" harm is incontrovertible.

No strong belief required here Simon.

Truth is EVIDENT for all to see/sense, that's if senses are being used.

Belief puts victims under a spell of non-sense (story-telling) - they find it difficult to sense (use their senses) anymore.

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Arthur Cristian

Simon, there is no belief required with views we shared in this thread - we are not pretending/claiming there is something else invisible/beyond-our-senses "out there" creating the crop-circles.

Refer to our "first" post in this thread: "Bring Forward An Experience Without MAN Party To The Experience".

There is no belief required here.

Our views have been consistent in this thread. The ONLY REAL first party to first party evidence we have to back our views is MAN. Until you can bring forward a "higher being", "higher power", "alien", "4th/5th/6th dimension", etc, other than MAN, as a first party to back your claims, all you have thus far (what you can bring forward) is MAN.

So far all the incontrovertible evidence brought forward is MAN story-telling a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, compass, square, MAN story-telling crop-circles, MAN story-telling "higher beings", MAN story-telling "belief", MAN co-creating/labouring large crops used to make shapes of crop circles, MAN creating and using electricity, internet, telecommunication, technology, computers, software, MAN advertising/story-telling/marketing videos, articles, research, podcasts, internet-radio, documentaries, etc, of/about crop circles. MAN inside man-made cars, trucks, vans, caravans, planes, trains, etc, to get to and from crop-circles, MAN talking to each other, debating, discussing, arguing and dreaming about crop circles, MAN, MAN, MAN, MAN, MAN, MAN, MAN..............

BUT WHERE IS THE HIGHER BEING, HIGHER POWER - THE ALIEN OUT THERE, etc?????????

And if a higher being was brought forward (thanks to MAN-made genetics) we will be asking this "higher being" to move a mountain range from there to over there without causing harm to any sensory life-form, inanimate or not. There are many more simpler tests we'll be using to challenge this "higher being", first party to first party. The Freemasonic/Satanic world is full of smoke and mirrors.

Truth stands, is evident. Senses do not lie - only an attached story-telling (brainwashing) used to re-present what we are sensing (sight or sound or touch or taste or hear or feel) of a sensory-life-form, or not, can have us show up as liars.

Truth requires no re-presentation - we do not have to capture/kidnap the MAN Simon Kawai so we can impersonate Simon Kawai, claiming that our thoughts, ideas, opinions, views, etc, about Simon Kawai's character, behaviour, intention, etc, are Simon's, of Simon's own making. Obviously we'd be committing fraud and lying if we were impersonating Simon Kawai - the evidence is clear that we made it all up. To avoid lying All that is required is for others to journey the path to the land where Simon Kawai stands on so that they can have a direct experience, first party to first party with Simon.

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From this thread which is a posted copy of the above crop circle thread:
https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201836167453942

Xindy TheForce OfTruth

I Totally DISAGREE.

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Arthur Cristian

You can disagree as much as you like - belief is not proof of fact.

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Xindy TheForce OfTruth

that's your opinion...

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Arthur Cristian

It is evidence - incontrovertible facts - truth is evident. If you have first party evidence then please bring it forward as a first party. If you can't then you've got NOTHING. We go where TRUTH takes us (we refuse to lie) - please bring forward TRUTH as a first party and we'll go there too, BUT please don't ask us to join in with the lie, because we refuse to be liars. Someone re-presenting/performing the story-telling of "higher-beings", "aliens", "other dimensions", "crop circles", etc, is NOT proof of fact. So Xindy (THE FORCE OF TRUTH), please show us what you've got?

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Franny De

Can I add my 2 cents in for what it's worth..Just what came to my mind when I saw this. I have recently come across videos about a project in the American CIA called Monarch as in the butterfly. So the above picture is a hybrid both man and insect. The project is not limited to brain washing and torture of children to serve as illuminati slaves through out various spectrums of their goals. I might be way off track here and don't claim to know the least thing about crops circles. However I do believe that the "intelligence" that the government has is far more that we can even imagine..it is possible that these are man made illuminati symbology. I do not believe that aliens are what we think they are except that they are fallen angels. It is also possible that "they" have done this. With no investigation on my part I don't profess to have any other knowledge other than what I though of when I saw this...

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Arthur Cristian

Hi Franny, we've been discussing the significance of the "butterfly" with close friends over the past few days. We left this subject out of this debate so as not to distract from the core issue we are focused on. Based on other peoples research, the butterfly regularly shows up as a code for MKULTRA (Project Monarch) victims..... Britney Spears, etc.... What do we see in this picture... this is a quick look at it for now,

1. MAN as an altered hue-MAN.

2. Antennas for programming (brainwashing/"story-telling") hue-MANS reception.

3. Butterfly wings describing hue-MAN lost in the flight of (set into motion) fantasy, illusion, delusion, etc,....

4. 4 arms/hands - a hue-MAN controlled (hooded/over-lighted/possessed) by a Freemasonic/Satanic Warlock/Witch, etc, as in master puppeteer pulling the strings of belief of it's marionette/victim.

5. 76 Spheres/circles around the wings - there maybe many messages being conveyed here........

a) Psalm 76 in the Bible, for example see:
Free Bible Commentary on Psalm 76 in simple English
Sing a song of Zion. A free Bible Commentary on Psalm 76 in EasyEnglish

b) can also be describing Freemasonic/Satanic centers of power & control,

c) 7 + 6 = 13 - a strong masonic.satanic code..... See: Roman Numerals on back of neck of singer Selena Gomez: http://cdn2.gossipcenter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fullsize_image/images/g/gomez-tat-10112-%20(1).JPG
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d) stories within stories within stories of story-telling controlling dumbed down hue-MAN,

6. Sphere over the heart-chest - story-telling program/s shutting down MANS senses - now lost in non-sense under control.

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Simon Kaiwai

What do your senses experience with this Arthur Cristian?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g23TOv7VfI4
Revese speech reveals plan to end the earth
In hindsight the post budget 2008 interview between Neil Collins and John Key reveals not only the blatant disinformation but, when analysed in reverse the truth about our situation and the intentions of the political puppets and international puppeteers. For more information see www.reversespeech.com

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Arthur Cristian

Continuation of "story-telling" ("Intellectual Property") Simon. Just like crop circles, biblical & mayan end-time prophecies, etc, etc....... best not to give life-energy to these distractions and focus on what can do and are doing (remedy) in present-sense.

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Simon Kaiwai

FYI Arthur Cristian - I made that video to share what I had sensed with my own ears.

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Back in their recorded his-story of their ages, English was called the "New World Language". When you visit us we'll show you documents we filled in the Supreme Court 2006 that had judges flee it. The docs revealed the despicable tactics of the Judeo-Judaic/ Freemasonic/Satanic/Zionist (not Jews) agenda. The docs demonstrated the codes of the English letters (alpha-numeric) kept secret from the people. We've written lots about this Double/Triple Speak, phonetics, etymology, cryptography and the true sorcery of casting "spells" with these incantations. We've spent years covering the depth of this subject.

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Arthur Cristian

Simon, using your gut instinct, intuition, perception, etc, are using aspects of our senses and using scrutiny like a blow torch we go where the logic of truth/sense takes us. This is what we do with all the Love For Life work including this discussion/debate about Crop Circles. Good on you for routing out bullshit - together with others as a team-effort we rout out all the bullshit until TRUTH is left standing. a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, compass, square are ABOMINATIONS - they do not exist, yet most people continue falling for all the constructs constructed out of them.

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Simon Kaiwai

I am familiar with the deception of the English language yet the reverse speech is not limited to English. It occurs in native tongues too.

Yesterday at 21:23

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Simon Kaiwai

The relevance to this discussion is your call for experience: evidence that can be sensed. I have provided just that which may also be viewed as evidence of other dimensions or quite simply "more going on" than meets the eye

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Arthur Cristian

Nature (SENSE) is our true tongue - it has no reverse speech in it. ONLY sounds /images rooted in IMAGE-POWER (includes alpha-numeric based codes) have reverse speech intended. All tribes that had kings, queens, leaders are fallen men and women - The agenda of the hierarchy is power and control, thus all forms of tricks unfolded, like reverse speech, to maintain their power and control.

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Simon Kaiwai

Are you proposing that reverse speech is a trick versus the natural phenomenon it is evidenced to be?

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Arthur Cristian

Reverse code is in plain sight, you just used scrutiny/logic to rout out MAN-made secrets kept from you and a vast majority of the people BUT it was known to those of MAN, our brothers/sisters, initiated into these secrets. Nothing unusual about this. Some of us just unraveled the scam of their trickery. Is why the Freemasonic/Satanic world went from overt to covert means to maintain power and control over their subjects. Too often the rising up of slaves turning the tables, too much decimation of their people thanks to backlashes, too many outcomes they lost control over or never dreamt for, etc, etc. So they created "The System" of covert power and control with a vast array of tricks built into it. If they had stayed overt, slavery and wars would have continued but Earth would be far far far less damaged than it is now. It is the survival of "The System" (covert power and control - survival of their power & control) that is destroying almost ALL of Earth/MAN/Nature.

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Simon Kaiwai

Sure - that is what the video evidences.

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Simon Kaiwai

One important point here though Arthur - since releasing this video there has been several instances where recordings of certain political puppets has been manipulated to hide the reverse speech. Whereas you think its a trick its actually a truth seeing tool, one the system very much dislikes

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Arthur Cristian

This is for you to experience Simon. BUT nothing of what you have raised here proves crop circles exist or that higher powers/beings/aliens exist either. All we have done is expose the lies and the fraud of crop circles, reverse speech, secret codes, etc..... ALL OF WHICH ARE MAN-MADE. BUT WHERE ARE THE HIGHER BEINGS/POWERS/ALIENS???????

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Simon Kaiwai

If you had watched the documentary on crop circles you would know that there is a popular opinion that we do not know the origin of these crop circles. It is your story that is seeking to identify who made them.

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Arthur Cristian

It is a truth (A MAN MADE TRUTH) you have exposed Simon, we have not suggested that it was not. Good on you for exposing lies and liars. We have taken what you have just shared on face value - we were not there to be a first party. However, you have consistently been determined to expose liars, lies, harm-doers so your insightful work comes with the territory.

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Arthur Cristian

Having millions of believers still does not make what they believe in to be TRUE. Welcome to the Church, to the Mosque, to the Synagogue, to the Temples, to the Governments, to the BARS, to the political parties.... ALL BULLSHIT.

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Simon Kaiwai

I agree

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Arthur Cristian

If we are sincere and go where truth takes us we need to get on with co-creating Kindoms (you know what we intend by this in its entirety) NOW because it is the ONLY remedy we've got. We must not get distracted by anything that does not give life to Kindoms.

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Simon Kaiwai

Many are pulling for this already and contributing as they fell called to: creating open source alternative means, sharing knowledge, forming communities etc.

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Arthur Cristian

Agreed. We are focused on creating more simplified videos (series) to help others comprehend the vast array of deceptions/distractions and why Kindoms. When and if you visit us you might be pleasantly surprised with what is going on. Yes, its been slow but the force of life is bursting through the toughened kernel. MAN is a nut.......... LOL...

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Matt King

Arthur deception is pulling it's reigns in on Humanity as (nut) man is not moving speedily enough to put the dream of life into motion what is the Sense of this Whole Matter ? This Love For Life Do No Harm is a pure truth that not all will heed too. Arthur/Fiona is their a back up plan or do you or do you sense it is all over ...... I sense also the light in prophesy as Anastasia confirmed in all her writings .. for in a li e the silver cord of truth will illuminate for Humanity even when it fails for CONFUSION/BABYLON has caused trauma/deficiency's that have gone way beyond the wounds. Perhaps we are sealed in Life and divinity and humanity will meet as Deception wars till the end and Translation/Life will be evident .... Events are coming in too quickly is there time for more video's? Even Anastasia/Love has left this place. Mercy has folded her wings and left her place. from: LynneviaMatt

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Matt King

Love For Life like a true Fisherman struggles as he keeps reeling in the Fish but not quite setting them on the boat so to speak ... this reeling in will awaken the sense's and the sealing of life will be upon them as they become one mind with their sense's in a dyeing world that will not release them totally but the life within them is stronger than the death that still remains ... thus if Humanity fails at putting Life into Motion as dark events are closing in prophesy with all its twists and turns still illuminates a special kind of light in the only World/Babylon/confusion they know so Life is overlapping as it holds on to the dream of life .. Translation will be the reward for the lie/death cannot be totally annihilated ....from: LynneviaMatt

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Arthur Cristian

Hi Lynne, we are just very busy and focused growing organic veges, fruit trees, etc, co-creating friendships/long-term-bonds with others who enjoy working hard (long hours every day) creating a food forest with us & us with them, creating abodes, stockpiling whatever, celebrating life as we go along (no social & big pharma drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, politics, man-made laws, no weapons, cults, sects, leaders, followers, religions, beliefs, etc). We don't get concerned or distracted about what they are doing or going to do "out there" - we concentrate on what we can do with others in present-sense and expand that (Kindom/Do No Harm Community) and share the joy of life through everything we do including making music, videos, etc, to share the Love For Life inspirations around. LIFE IS FOR THE LIVING. For us there is nothing else to live for.

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Allen Rehbein

we concentrate on what we can do with others in present-sense and expand that (Kindom/Do No Harm Community) and share the joy of life through everything we do including making music, videos, etc, to share the Love For Life inspirations around. LIFE IS FOR THE LIVING. For us there is nothing else to live for.We don't get concerned or distracted about what they are doing or going to do "out there" sounds like double talk

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Arthur Cristian

Allen, instead of looking for justifications to perpetuate and protect your story-telling belief systems so that you can show up the re-presentation, acting, performance of your belief-system as being "right", thus you being "right", hence furthering on the non-sense that rules you and which keeps you showing up as presently being dumbed-down and stupid, how about using your senses to attune with our intentions so that you are clear about the intentions behind the English words (refer to an oxford dictionary to make clear the meaning behind the words) we use, thus making it very clear about where we are coming from and where we are heading. In "The System" of "time", for many months now, you have been liking and re-posting much of the Love For Life work we do (posts, articles, videos, comments, etc) on Arthur's FB wall, so unless you have not been reading and contemplating on the info we share and thus remain "in the dark" of your own doing, you must already be fully aware of the big picture we work for and towards.

The fact is your present belief system regarding "higher powers/beings/aliens/whatever" behind crop circles, etc, has been severely threatened and completely blown right out of the water and so far you have NOTHING to bring forward as a living-sensory first party to back your claims. The double talk is with you because you are peddling lies (all be it innocently) which has you presently show up as being a liar all the while hiding behind the the "intellectual property" costume and title "story-telling" of being the NICE guy who believes "crop circles", "aliens, "higher powers", "whatever", all the while throwing up barbs at us like "sounds like double talk". Please bring forward the incontrovertible evidence of this double talk you claim we are doing to back your claims????? So far we have clearly answered all your probes/questions/arguments backing them with incontrovertible evidence, how about you do likewise and back your claims posted in this thread now????

Copied from the other post on Arthur's FB wall where you also commented....

The "out there" is them (MAN - our brothers/sisters) hiding behind the technologies they use to give the impression of an "out there" which has had you so sucked in believing in Aliens, UFO'S, Higher Beings/Powers, whatever" "out there" thus far.

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Peter Lynn Martin

Yep, if you can't see it then it must not exist.

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Arthur Cristian

Hi Peter. Everything about "The System" is based on 3rd party re-presentation that is the story-telling of "intellectual property" - men and women telling us how to think, feel and act (respond) under-the-standing of (understand) their IMAGE-POWER. Belief in such image-power non-sense (no direct first party to first party experience) is caused by reactions to trauma which keeps the victim lost in fantasy, illusion, fiction and has them show up as being delusional. All of us educated by "The System" have suffered this terrible plight.

Withdrawing from this madness is our ONLY option, hence the co-creation of Do No Harm Communities that are Kindoms in present-sense.

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Peter Lynn Martin

There are thousands of Americans who report either being abducted by aliens or who come in close contact like military personnel. I believe them.

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Peter Lynn Martin

I've seen Jesus. There is no doubt that he still is alive in spirit. I have also seen the Cosmic Self. There is tons of stuff that exists but just because it is not part of everyday experience does not mean it does not exist. You are monumentally wrong and you have built up your own belief system that excludes millions of people's experience. You are guilty of the very thing you accuse other people doing. That is the way life works. It is all very ironic.

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Arthur Cristian

Continued from our last post above....... However, thanks to their cleverness, this deception gets more complicated. Brainwashing education says Earth is turning and going around the Sun - belief in this lie has victims thinking the sun they "see" appears to be moving across the sky because earth is moving across the sky & turning - this is similar to looking out the window of an aeroplane, car, train, etc, moving across Earth. No one has yet been able to prove Earth is turning and going around the Sun. This is fact - we've had many intense debates with experts, scientists, NASA astrophysicists, etc, and none of them have any first party to first party evidence to back their claims. All they've got on offer is the "story-telling" they were brainwashed into believing in (re-presenting).

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Allen Rehbein

very same thing your doing with your stary telling

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Arthur Cristian

Reaction to trauma comes in a 1001 ways - the clever smoke and mirror tactics used by Satanists/Freemasons are so brilliant that they have been able to deceive MAN into believing it was Aliens that abducted them. Putting images (IMAGE-POWER) into victims brains is very simple to do - what allows them to get away with this is the inability of the victims to use their senses and scrutinise everything going on (yes, some have been able to do this).

Billions get conned into believing the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, Money, Banks, etc, are real only to realise/discover down-the-line that all the images (image-power) they were exposed to and all the men and women dressed up as Santa Clause, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, Alice in Wonderland, Harry Potter, Prime Minister, Pope, President, etc, were actors performing a lie.

Hundreds of millions of children have been in awe of Santa Clause only to grow up and realise it was just another MAN dressed up pretending to be Santa Clause. Same with Alien Abduction except the tactics used are far more clever and sinister. Implanting images into a victim is easy to do - watching TV, Hollywood reading Fairy Tales and Fictional novels is proof of this fact.

Ritual trauma is a horrific practice where victims are forced to create many compartments in the brain, each coming with a different story-telling and/or personality - refer to hypnotists on stage turning men and women into total idiots doing the most wackiest of things - all the while everyone else in the audience including the hypnotist and "staff" are laughing their heads off at them being lost under the hypnotist's "spell".

All the victims are in a "STATE" of belief - in this case, willing or not, they all get to wake up and laugh at the joke being played on them - they get to see replays for their own entertainment down-the-line. Blow this out to the worst case scenarios and we have men and women under terrible spells of trauma believing they were kidnapped by aliens etc.

Yes, they were harmed severely, the torture of brain/mind control is horrific BUT at no "time were aliens, UFO'S, "higher beings/forces, present - it was all MAN-MADE. Do your homework on this subject. Germans built many UFO' craft during the second world war. This man-made technology has expanded incredibly since then.

Just because someone says they have been abducted by aliens does not mean that they were, or that they are lying. They are describing a horrific experience that has either happened to them or describing images that have been put in their heads under traumatic situations so that they honestly believe that this is what happened to them. However, it is the brainwashing of the image power that has them jump to the conclusion of "aliens", the movies they have seen, the "reports" they have read, etc. Can they prove that it was "aliens" torturing them? No. All they can tell us is that their experience was not with men and women as they normally see them in everyday life. Like a child believing they visited Santa when they only visited a man dressed up as Santa.

Lastly....... WHERE ARE THE FIRST PARTY SENSORY-LIVING ALIENS, UFO'S, HIGHER BEINGS/POWERS/WHATEVER??????????? WHERE ARE THE FIRST PARTY LIVING-SENSORY SANTA CLAUSE, TOOTH FAIRY, EASTER BUNNY, HARRY POTTER, ALICE IN WONDERLAND........ ???????

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Arthur Cristian

@ Allen, we have backed up what we have shared with incontrovertible evidence/facts/logic - NO STORY TELLING (belief) REQUIRED HERE. Truth is evident. We are not re-presenting (performing/acting) fictitious characters as in "aliens", "higher powers", "higher beings", "God", "Jesus", etc..... A VERY BIG BIG BIG difference here. Suggest you go back to the drawing board and start again.

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Allen Rehbein

so you have never seen ufo

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Allen Rehbein

?

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Allen Rehbein

so if you never seen a sun bigger then the one you see do that mean there is none bigger?

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Yes, Arthur had a few hover above Arthur back in the early mid 1970's, some very close BUT they were all MAN-MADE. Only the "story-telling" has you believe they have come from "out there". "Hello UFO, is it true you come from "out there"???? HELLLLOOOOOOOOO UFO, please come forward? HELLLLOOOOOOOO ANYONE THERE - ANYONE HOME???? HELLLOOOOOOOOO???? You see, ONLY another man or women has told you that they come from "out there". Santa comes from the North Pole so children are led to believe.

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Allen Rehbein

you can only talk

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Arthur Cristian

Without direct first party to first party experience what you have been told to think and feel is bullshit. Is that sensory-life-form, a daffodil and is yellow??? Did that sensory-life-form tell you directly from its own tongue/senses that it is a daffodil and is yellow or are you just re-presenting what other men and women told you to think, feel and act about that sensory-life-form???

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Allen Rehbein

but your talk is cheep

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Arthur Cristian

Show us where we are lying (talk is cheap) Allen.

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Allen Rehbein

see your last comment say much

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Allen Rehbein

Without direct first party to first party experience what you have been told to think and feel is bullshit. Is that sensory-life-form, a daffodil and is yellow???Did that sensory-life-form tell you directly from its own tongue/senses that it is a daffodil and is yellow or are you just re-presenting what other men and women told you to think, feel and act about that sensory-life-form???

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Allen Rehbein

let me brake this down for you

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Allen Rehbein

1 , Without direct first party to first party experience what you have been told to think and feel is bullshit

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Allen Rehbein

you have nothing

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Allen Rehbein

Without direct first party to first party experience

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Arthur Cristian

You are seriously out of your depth Allen. You are making no-SENSE now. Maybe English is a second language and you don't comprehend it very well. That's unless you are a lazy reader who does not think and scrutinise what you are reading in clear Oxford Dictionary English. Are you actually reading sentence by sentence and comprehending what is being shared in this thread by everyone?????

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Allen Rehbein

hope this helps you

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Allen Rehbein

did you get english from your ass

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Allen Rehbein

first hand

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Allen Rehbein

or second hand

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Arthur Cristian

Maybe someone else would like to take you on and help you comprehend ideas shared like "first party to first party direct sensory experience".

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Allen Rehbein

i am way past you

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Arthur Cristian

You are seriously CON-fused mate.

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Allen Rehbein

and don't go backwards

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Arthur Cristian

Then please back your claims with evidence - belief is not proof of fact.

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Allen Rehbein

i feel i wasted enough time with this

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Arthur Cristian

Is a child having a direct first party to first party sensory experience with Santa or a MAN dressed up performing Santa?

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Xindy TheForce OfTruth

The Hoaxers are Fake- they have been around for YEARS- They are Just DISINFO Agents like any others- trying to Confuse the issue making a few LAME Fake crop circles - Paid for by Cabal / corporations..
AND The Cabal has a LOT of $$$ To afford the Fakers..

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Allen Rehbein

Is a child having a direct first party to first party sensory experience with Santa or a MAN dressed up performing Santa? statements like this really show your lack of intelligence

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Arthur Cristian

@ Peter IMAGE POWER is used by the Freemasonic/Satanic World to deceive everyone. Using remote control, remote projection & remote viewing they are brilliant in implanting their story-telling images in their victims brains.

Based in their his-story/her-story (history) of Jesus, were you there?

Do you know anyone living here and now who was there as a first party witness, someone you can bring forward to back the claim/s that Jesus existed?

In "The System" history/his-story/her-story, are you aware that the letter J (j) did not exist until around 1520AD when it was first used by Francis Bacon, alias William Shakespeare with the word "Jew".

Are you aware that the English letters s and z are interchangeable as in Jesus being Jezus (JeZeus)?

Are you aware that the phonetics/etymology/cryptography of the IMAGE-POWER of Jesus came out of Lesus/Lezus which came out of Iesus/Iezus which came out of Isis as in IS RA EL which are three of thirteen orders/sects (nations/states/territories/principalities/countries/civilisations/etc) of Egypt (Ancient Egypt), which is at the heart of the black-magic practice & craft of Freemasonry/Satanism.

To us, EGYPT means "The System".

Story-telling is a most powerful way of conveying the hypnotic suggestion of IMAGE-POWER. Jesus and the Roman Cathodic Church, Jesus and the Orthodox Church, Jesus and the Church Of England..... etc, how many millions or billions have been trapped by the "story-telling" power of Jesus????? There are a 1001 examples of this type of black-magic remote control, remote projection & remote viewing of IMAGE POWER.

Peel away church's to their core and what do we find being performed in everyday practical sense ...................... "THE SYSTEM". Everyone caught up in Jesus are trapped in "The System" that is a man-made hell.

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Allen Rehbein

@ Peter IMAGE POWER is used by the Freemasonic/Satanic World to deceive everyone. Using remote control, remote projection & remote viewing they are brilliant in implanting their story-telling images in their victims brains.
then it was easy for them to do you and keep you

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Allen Rehbein

no sorry , we are given free will

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Arthur Cristian

But almost everyone were not provided with idiot friendly full-disclosure as to what would become of their lives, the creation of their lives, by setting-into-motion (USING THEIR FREE-WILL) the IMAGE-POWER of "The System" education/brainwashing they were forced/indoctrinated into, none of which is natural/sensory.

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Without performers/actors (MAN), Alice In Wonderland cannot be set-into-motion as a performance. Same with "The System". The trick was to brainwash everyone into performing the "intellectual property" story-telling con-structs/con-cepts of "The System" education. This is the ONLY way "The System" and everything of it can be performed/set into motion.

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Arthur Cristian

@ Peter, there is a long way to go to grasp the depth of deception being played out amongst MAN. We've done the best we can to map out the deception/trickery/etc as much as possible. If you want to explore the depth of this deception we've been unfolding and exposing with others particularly since March 2005, then start here where many links to videos, articles, debates, comments, insights, podcasts, etc, can be found too:

So You Want The Good Bits Of "The System"
But Not The Bad Bits?

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 12th August 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8468

Once you have done this, we look forward to continuing a discussion with you. We have had many many hundreds of debates with experts, theologians, priests, academics, professors, educators, scientists, etc, in most fields of endeavour and no one has been able to debunk the insightful info we share at its core, yet we find hundreds of holes in their arguments - they have no incontrovertible factual evidence to back their claims. Why is that??? We know why, the info they share is based on lies making them out as liars.... while they continue to believe in and peddle such Freemasonic/Satanic IMAGE-POWER.

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Allen Rehbein

lol i see you like copy and paste

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Arthur Cristian

Minimising being slaves to the process of awakening many people, we copy paste mostly our work to save heaps of waking-life because we do not want to repeat what we've already covered in great detail in other threads, videos, podcasts, articles, debates, etc, and that we love working each day in the food forest garden or creating music or corresponding with the many people who write to us each day by email, etc, and being around our children and Kindom friends, etc.... Though important, doing our work on Facebook is now a very small part of our lives.

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Allen Rehbein

so your brain washing others

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Allen Rehbein

hmmm

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Allen Rehbein

yeah Hippocrates

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Allen Rehbein

let other buiold thier life without you leading your way

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Arthur Cristian

It's very simple Allen, BACK YOUR CLAIMS - show us the evidence of your claims. As we've said many times in this thread - belief is not proof of fact.

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Allen Rehbein

i know the answer to the question , because you call yourself god and want some followers

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Brett Anderson

And of course crop circles have changed the world haven't they, we're all unlocking the secrets of our enslavement through the pretty patterns in the corn fields. Its a shame the aliens just don't have the know-how to communicate directly though eh. Its also interesting to see the emotional attachment some have in regards to their belief in them and the defence mechanism it triggers when that belief is challenged. Its no different to the bible thumpers and the return of jesus, or any of the other mind capturing traps out there, its all out there to hold the mind and distract it from yourself and give it over to an external program and no matter how many times you call yourself ' awake' or onto the ' truth' you're not even close.

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Allen Rehbein

no your not, not even on the path that leads to that

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Arthur Cristian

@ Xindy - In "Their System" of hell, the Freemasonic/Satanic world control all sides of almost everything going on. They created all religions and as heroes, rescuers, saviours, light-bearers, shepherds, etc, they then use their own people to expose their own lies down-the-line. Though covered in many other threads/links over the years , to save repeating what's already been written in great detail we'll post a link here to a recent discussion/debate on Simon Kawai's wall with Max Igan & others that covers some of this ground.

https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201790061061311

This discussion in it's entirety is on Simon's wall: https://www.facebook.com/shares/view?id=10151610191456299

The point in all of this is that because they have created hoaxes still does not mean that "Aliens", "Higher Beings/Powers", Whatever, exists "out there" too or that some or most of the Crop Circles were created by them as well. Like we said, belief is not proof of fact. The Grand Design of their deception is presently still beyond most peoples present comprehension/awareness. However, we are doing the best we can to reach and wake up as many of our brothers/sisters as we can. Until proven otherwise, everything is MAN-made Xindy.

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Arthur Cristian

As usual Brett ---- Well Said mate.

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Arthur Cristian

@ Allen, "want some followers" - again this is another bullshit claim.

Have you lived with us?

Have you met us and seen with your own eyes how we live?

Have you had any private dealings with us?

All you are attempting to do here by making such claims is an attempt to kidnap/hijack our characters so that you can impersonate us. As an impostor you are making out that what you say in this thread is actually coming from us, coming from our intentions, from our thoughts, ideas, feelings, lives, etc. The fact is, this impersonating performance (claims) by you is a lie because you made them all up. They are most definitely not our claims. What you are really doing here is committing slander which is a form of libel.

As for your claim of "God", we don't "own" God or anything of Life. If we do not let go (own) our last breath, drink, meal we will die. Same with owning (not letting go) of "intellectual property" (BELIEF, FAITH, ASSOCIATED OPINION) because when we own "God" or "Jesus" or "Crop Circles" or "Higher Beings", "Aliens", "Governments", "Man-Made Laws", etc, we die, we fall from consciousness/SENSE/Life into a "state" of unconsciousness, Non-Sense, Living-Dead, etc.

We do not "own" "God" because to us, "God" IS LIFE, is the gift of life set into motion. We see Life Is A Gift - That MAN Is The Gift/Power Of Life.

We have no interest in followers or be part of a following. To us, MAN has all the power/gift of life and is why ONLY MAN can set thoughts/images into motion. This is why we say that MAN is Living-Creator or Co-Creators of the dream of Life. We/MAN are fully-responsible for everything we think, feel and do. MAN does not pass-the-buck to a fiction.

"The Thought Of God Is Not God".The thought of God s a fiction. It is the gift of life we set into motion into the thought of Life (god) that is Living-Creator/MAN in present-sense. We were meant to be creators - we were never meant to be owners/worshipers of what we create. Just like our breath is set free so that we have life we were never meant to own what we are creating.

More on this here:

Life Is A Gift
Includes Many Love For Life Comments
And Insights Posted June-July 2013
In Facebook
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8460

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Allen Rehbein

yeah i see

48 minutes ago

The Cristian Family November 2006

So You Want The Good Bits Of "The System"
But Not The Bad Bits?


By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

12th August 2013

The message we received below is typical of many we receive with people asking us about one so-called remedy to "The System" or another. We have to realise that "The System" and all those who support "The System" hold no remedy for those wanting to escape "The System". At the heart of everybody searching through "system" information to find a remedy is greed and selfishness because we do not want to give up what we like about "The System". Our reply is not an attack on Audrey - it applies to all of us who are not prepared to sacrifice some of our own needs, wants and desires to do what it takes to heal the damage to the dream of life that we are ALL fully-responsible for while we do nothing about it. To get the full picture, please put the hours in by reading our Love For Life articles, debates, videos, podcasts, discussions, etc. Link provided at the end of this post. Arthur & Fiona Cristian

Audrey wrote: "Arthur, I would love to hear your take on Winston Shrout. I just can't get over the negative gut feeling I have about him. I've been really bugged by this guy for quite some time. Will you share your knowledge and or opinion about this guy and the information he seems to be sharing. Thanks so much :0) Audrey

We replied: He lives for "The System" Audrey - this says everything about him. I think he has good intentions but is trapped in biblical non-sense and he lives his life out of such non-sense. He has no remedy to get MAN out of "The System". Besides exposing what we continually expose in other peoples work, you are already aware of this, this is why we don't waste our life-energy on their work/ideas. As we shared in a post on the FB wall today (an extract)..... "Kindom is the dream for freedom, but it is the dream for the freedom of those around us who live that dream, because that is how we get our freedom. (the rest of yesterdays comment is copied near the bottom of this post) This is what we live for Audrey - nothing else matters - they are distractions). Love Arthur & Fiona

Audrey replied: "Thank You Arthur :0) The only reason I give my attention to these distractions is because the system is always coming at me, and I feel I must educate myself to build a strong defense. For instance, I own my home and land fee simple absolute but the town keeps coming at with their fear notices of lien if and tax bills. Understanding the truth that they have not right to charge me to live on my own property doesn't stop them. So I feel I have to learn their system so I can use it against them. Simply knowing and practicing the truth that nobody truly owns anything doesn't work because they think they own everything including us. Any information you could share about property tax would help me right now. What do you guys do concerning this matter with your home and land? Thanks, Audrey".

We replied: Hi Audrey, until you have a large FORCE of "Community Immunity" behind you it's best you comply with their bullshit demands. You don't want to give them a legal/lawful reason to come further and further into your life so they can continue expanding the rape, pillage and plunder of the assets you claim you "own", be they derived from the sweat of your hard-earned-labour or not.

Best to pick the battles that lead towards creating Kindoms/Do No Harm Communities and not waste your life-energy on distractions that continue feeding the very beast of hell ("The System") you abhor and despise and which takes you right away from co-creating remedy with others that is Kindom/Do No Harm Community.

Whether you like it or not or are happy about it or not, you are fully-responsible for everything now happening to you, and to everyone else suffering from the brutal lashes set into motion by the FORCE-re-presentatives of "The System". You are asking/dreaming for (setting-into-motion) the very suffering you are now reacting to.

This is ALL trauma based of your "own" making.

"The System" and everything of "The System" is a curse being processed by every liar who lives for the lie.

Passing-the-buck, refusing to take FULL-responsibility for your actions, for what you think, feel and do, for what you "claim" you "own", for every non-sense image/thought you set into motion, you have now set your life up as a victim who must blame someone else in "The System" for the reactions to trauma (curses) you are experiencing.

On one hand you "want" all the good bits of "The System" but on the other hand you don't want all the "bad" bits of "The System". Unfortunately for you Audrey, the lock, stock and barrel of "The System" musket you blow your foot off with, comes together; you can't get the "good" bits without the bad. While you are absorbed with all the "good" bits of "The System" you claim you "own" (mine, mine, mine, "i", "i", "i", me, me, me, "own", "own", "own", etc) and while everyone else in "The System" does same, you are ALL fully-responsible for bringing upon everyone the harm (the bad bits) everyone is suffering from at the hands of the FORCE behind "The System", the very harm you've all set into motion upon each other.

In "The System", it is impossible for everyone to have all the 'good" bits of "The System" and for no one to have the bad bits.

You are fully responsible for feeding trauma with your compliance, reverence and worship of "The System".

"The System" and everything of "The System" is trauma based.

"The System" IS the processing of a curse (lie).

You are trapped in trauma, reacting to the very trauma that has become you. You are completely lost in the re-presentation of the his-story/her-story (history) of their "story-telling", of other men and women lost in "The System" who made up these stories, people who live/work/slave for "The System" telling you how to think, feel and act about your life in "The System".

You are the ONLY one who can set the thoughts/images of your life into motion which is why you were so heavily brainwashed into becoming a powerless victim who lives your whole life out of reaction to trauma. This is not an attack on you - it is the situation of just about everybody living on Earth today. Refer to the many comments/articles on trauma posted here:

Life Is A Gift
Includes Many Love For Life Comments
And Insights Posted June-July 2013
In Facebook

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8460

Yes, as a young child you were not provided with idiot-friendly FULL-disclosure as to what would become of your life when you start setting non-sense images into motion which you have been doing since "education" was FORCED upon you by everyone around you, family or not, who started instructing/teaching you how to think, feel and act about sensory-life/Nature/Earth all-around you and how to fashion your thoughts and feelings to accept and rely on "The System". Now you are suffering/experiencing the predicaments/circumstances of your own making.

Note: we (MAN) are the ONLY ones who can set thoughts/images into motion. All thoughts are images. Regardless of all the images forced upon us since conception, our life is in the image of our own making. We are fully-responsible for this. We are all giving life to non-sense images/thoughts that make up "The System" that do harm, AND please be aware of this fact, "The System" and everything of "The System" can ONLY be constructed out of reactions to trauma, your reactions to trauma, which is why you have written to us. Your belief in ownership of land, etc, has you give life to "The System", with its commerce, administration, laws, enFORCEment, etc, as does everyone else who lives for (serves/worships/condones) "The System".

Your present behaviour/attitude has you be (show up) no different to the very "system" people you despise and are reacting to. You have joined the dark-side of MAN'S making to enjoinder with men and women who live for and worship "The System". This attitude/behaviour makes a masochist out of you. You are responsible for setting greed, selfishness, fear, harm, power and control trips, etc, into motion, as we all are when we continue setting "The System" into motion.

And you want freedom from this persecution?

The fact is you do not "own" anything including land. It is a lie to believe that you do and while you continue claiming that you "own" land you are processing a curse that has come upon you, of your own making, and upon everyone else trapped in "The System", of their own making.

Everyone who lives for "The System" is making slaves of everyone else who lives for "The System" including their "own" lives. Money/Commerce IS the processing of a curse. Refer to the video we posted last year called "The Name Is The Mark Of The Best - The Strawman Identifying Your Slave Status In "The System": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdOag66v7uo (video embedded below) - This video goes into the subject of curses.

All lies are curses and all liars are cursed. The base lie of all lies being that some men and women have a higher standing (the "good" bits) than others (they get the "bad"/worse bits) - that some men and women are more equal than others. "The System" is all about this fact. While you are in "The System" and live for "The System", you cannot escape processing the curse because you are living the lie which makes you the liar burdened with processing curses of your own making. Welcome to the "hell" of your "own" making Audrey.

While you claim you "own" land, "money", etc..... you need a man-made system with a FORCE in place to protect your claims of ownership. This means you support, condone and create harm in the lives of the many brainwashed men, women, children who have been conditioned to become cogs (slaves - white/blue collars, labourers, etc) in the wheel of "The System" progress of civilisation.

Conscious or not, you are now paying the price for wanting a "system" to protect what you "claim" you "own". The brainwashed men and women you live for have turned against you too. Such is the beast that is hell ("The System"). You are fully-responsible for this. It is impossible not to cause loss of uniqueness and originality upon all the brainwashed/braindirtied men, women, children and sensory life-forms of nature, inanimate or not, required to be slaves, if you are to receive all the benefits, services and privileges of their slavery, harm and destruction. It is impossible to have a man-made system without having slaves and rulers. It is also impossible not to cause HARM upon MAN/Earth/Nature while you live for and worship a man-made "system".

And, it is impossible to be free from trauma while you keep feeding it with your compliance.

All man-made "systems", no matter what version/guise is conjured up, will never set all of MAN free and while those forced to have the "bad" bits are looking over the fence at those who have the "good" bits, reprisals, revolutions, war, civil war/unrest, police "states", injustice, crimes, violence, suffering, etc, will continue AND everyone, those with the "Good" bits and the "Bad" are FULLY-Responsible for this chaos, destruction, harm, etc, being perpetuated.

It is best we all give up everything of "The System", both the "good" bits and the "bad" bits and come together to co-create Kindoms/Do No Harm Communities. This is where the passion of our Love For Life comes into play as we have focused intensely on this remedy for over 7 years now. We contemplated on how can we all provide freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, do no harm for all of life, no loss of uniqueness/originality for everyone and everything, no slaves slaves and rulers and no WACO scenarios. We have worked it out and, since 2006, no one has been able to debunk "The Steps Of Kindom" remedy we promote.

"The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

As we shared yesterday on Facebook (we've now added more info): "Kindom (do no harm communities) is the dream for freedom, but it is the dream for the freedom of those around us who also live the dream of freedom, because it is in living for the freedom of others that we get our freedom. When we live for the dreams of Kindom of those around us, we live life as a gift because we live for (dedicate our lives to) their dream of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, just as they live for our Kindom dreams too. This is true co-creation (cooperation) with no attack on the uniqueness of each of us. When we live this way, we have no need for any man-made system - everything/everyone has already been taken care of by our love for life.

Just as we do not have to jump 10 feet across the room to grab our next breath, neither do we have to worry about food, water and shelter because it has all been taken care of as we each co-create Kindoms/Kin-Domains for everyone. Now everybody and everything of the dream of life that is Kindom/Paradise is free (has been set free once again). The issue is greed and selfishness, power and control trips, arrogance, ignorance, being fed many many lies and being traumatised. The issue is not overpopulation - there is more than enough land available for every family to have a hectare (2.5 acres Kin-Domain) to care for. The land of Australia can provide a Kin-Domain for every family across Earth, each with a food forest, clean fresh drinking water and plenty of space for building natural do no harm habitats and with plenty of land left over.

Everyone must have the freedom to take full-responsibility for their lives, for the water they drink, the food they eat and for their shelter. Currently, "The System" forces everyone to give up taking full-responsibility so that we become grown up children accustomed to sucking on the nipples of "The System" corporations for everything, having to use money to get by and to follow the rules of money because we are not co-creating freedom, peace, truth, joy and abundance for each other. Money only leads to haves and have nots and all the abuse, manipulation and distractions that we are subjected to as slaves to money.

When we give up living for other's Kindom dreams, we start creating hell ("The System") all around us because we become self-centred - now it's all about "my freedom","my money", "my land", "my belief", "my saviour", "mine", "mine","mine", "i","i", "i", "own", "own", "own", etc. To protect what we claim we own requires a man-made system with FORCE to protect those self-centred claims. This is ALL trauma based and all story-telling (brainwashing/braindirtying).

Our true freedom comes when we set our thoughts of freedom into motion so that we live freedom rather than just talking and thinking about it while we still slave for "The System". Kindom will not happen while we meditate for hours in the bush or do yoga retreats or wait for Jesus or follow the processes of the OPPT (One People's Public Trust now called One People). This is not freedom because we are not living freedom because we are living the story-telling of Jesus or Zeitgeist or The Secret or Thrive or One Earth/Consciousness/People.

Living Kindom is very, very hard work as we set about repairing the damage to MAN/Earth/Nature that we are ALL responsible for but the burden becomes lighter the more of us put our life-energy into the dream of returning Earth to Paradise. Day-after-day, we all have to work our arses off until Kindom is all around us (MAN) once again. This is the price we pay to set each other free on a piece of land (Kin-Domain), so that no one is under the image-power (education/brainwashing/story-telling) of another MAN anymore and so that everyone can have their space of love to create and live their unique, do no harm dreams. This only happens once we have the Kindoms set up so that everyone is provided for.

Once we re-create the food forests, whether on land or in the suburbs, we can re-claim our freedom, breaking the strangle-hold of "The System" because we are no longer reliant on its services and benefits and no longer turning each other into slaves of "The System", cogs in the wheels of "The System" machine. If we don't put the effort in to set everyone and everything free all around us then we still live in HELL ("The System"). The key is to live for everyone else's freedom so that we can have it too.

We live for NO SYSTEM. We do not lose anything by not having a man-made system and, in fact, we gain. We gain our freedom and we gain abundance. Let go of the fear".

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If you want to continue supporting, condoning and causing the brutal death of flesh and blood creatures who never gave their permission to be harmed, killed and/or eaten, then stop reacting and complaining when others in "The System" want to do harm to you, your family, your loved ones and others too. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Take it on the chin and enjoy the continuation of you and your childrens/families/loved ones immense suffering and "hardships".

And if you want to continue living the lie of "ownership" over land and all other forms of "ownership" derived from belief in ("claims" over) "intellectual property", then also accept "The System" invasion coming from outsiders/strangers entering into your life and into your homes, land, vehicles, assets, bank accounts, etc, just because they "claim" they have "ownership" and lawful/legal administrative "rights" over you, your family, your loved ones, your assets or not, your animals or not, too. Accept the harm they dish, even if they murder most of you. Stop complaining and winging as victims. All this harm comes with the territory.

And you want freedom from this persecution?

And you want freedom in "The System"? This is impossible.

http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8369

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

The Cristian Family November 2006

Life Is A Gift

Everything of "The System", including "The System", is trauma based and unless MAN (we) learn/s how not to react to trauma anymore, we will continue being compromised by "The System" and forever remain trapped in "The System". Reaction to trauma is how "The System" is constructed. There is no other way to do this. Getting past our reactions to trauma is the most challenging thing for us to do and the most necessary thing to do if we are ever to walk away from "The System". If we bring our reactions to trauma to Kindom, we will sabotage and destroy it. The last 8.5 years or so of Love For Life work has been all about learning how we all got into this mess ("The System" that is a man-made living hell) and the remedy to get us all back out of it.

We feel we are coming to the end of this work. Now it's all about walking-the-talk of Kindom while helping others learn what we have learnt without causing loss of uniqueness and originality to anyone/anything and without the ongoing need for slaves and rulers, without causing more harm to be set into motion, without causing another WACO scenario and without depriving everyone of abundance, joy, peace, freedom and truth. Most people will wake up from their deep programmed sleep when they can have a direct experience of Kindom through their senses as they see that there is another way to live.

When people witness/learn how to live with each other with NO man-made SYSTEM required, when they can experience that LIFE IS A GIFT and take full-responsibility for creating/being a gift of life/love, then paradise is being created all around us, meaning we live for your freedom, truth, peace, joy, health, abundance, etc, so that we can have it to. When everyone gives up being self-centred (no more "i","i", "i", "mine", "mine", "mine", "own", "own", "own", etc, etc, "my land", "my freedom", "my truth", "my belief", "my money", "my spirituality", "my spiritual journey", "my labour", "my judgements", "mine", "mine", "mine", etc, etc, etc,) and see and live for Life is a gift, then they all make sure that everyone has freedom, truth, peace, joy abundance, etc, so that they can have it too. If, as a community, tribe, village, we all see Life Is A Gift and we all make sure that everyone has truth, freedom, joy, peace, abundance, etc, then we all have it and we are all living in paradise.

Love is life - life is love. We/MAN set/s into motion the life that is the creation of MAN'S love for life. Life is love because we do not claim ownership over what we create, over the life we gift with our life to set dreams of life into motion. Arthur has given up ALL contracts with the "State"/"Commonwealth", etc, so he is no longer in commerce to be party to accumulating anything for "SELF". If we "own" (not let go of) our last breath, drink or meal, we die. We also die (fall from sense/consciousness/life/do no harm) when we own "intellectual property" by claiming it as truth through our belief, faith and associated opinion of it. The power is in the love for life we gift everyone and everything around us and when we redirect this power back on "self" by focusing on my money, my land, my freedom, my peace,...etc, we are lost.

Imagine the sun believing in the ownership of its life, of its outgoing rays so that it turns its rays back on itself, not wanting to share its light. Now the sun is a black-hole void of life. Where life (light) once was is now empty of life (darkness). This is what becomes of a MAN lost to "self". Take a really good look out the window to see the truth of this fact going on all around us. Darkness is a man-made construct - the sun casts no shadow and we can still see all the lights in the night sky.

Imagine a colony of ants given a new program called in-divide-u-all-s (individuals); each ant can now have its "own" politically correct truth backed by the maker of this new program called "The System". The God (Grand Architect) of this program says, "You can now be whatever you want to be, you no longer need to be an ant in an ant colony". So the ants go off to be punk rockers, engineers, scientists, jews, christians, muslims, republicans, democrats, rich, poor, new agers, gay, etc, etc... In the meanwhile very few are now taking care of the elderly ants or their babies, leaving it to "The System" to take care of their health, life, etc.... Worst of all the ant colony is no longer being maintained until it collapses with all the in-divide-u-all ants going down with it. The ants forgot who they really are and what they were really part of. Their true purpose was hijacked. This is what is now happening to MAN (there is no word in English that describes man, woman, child collectively in wholeness/synergy so we use MAN). For a reality check, pop your head out and take a very good look outside your window.

Do we have to jump 10 feet across a room to grab our next breath???

Of course not, everything we need of life and so much more is already taken care of.

We just have to let go of the reflection in the mirror that we believe is real due to the education/brainwashing we have all received in "The System". When we believe that the reflection is real, alive of its own free-will & can walk, talk, think, feel, poo, wee, negotiate, contract and set its own image/life into motion, we believe that it is who we really think we are, when it just a story being re-presented by a story-teller who told us how to think, feel and act.

This is all explained in great detail in our Love For Life work which is spreading and spreading all across Earth, with the Love For Life website due to hit 200 million visitors by the middle of next year. Now we have facilitators of internet radio stations wanting us to syndicate (with their support) a weekly Love For Life Radio Show which appears to be starting up shortly, possibly this week, but more than likely next week. We recently had an internet radio Skype interview with Jeanice Barcelo (www.freedomslips.com - www.revolution radio) that goes into the subject of trauma and the subtle deception that is Quantum Physics and "universe"/"universes" which come out of trauma. It provides a gateway into the insights we share as do the many videos, debates, articles, podcasts, etc, we've been posting on YouTube, Facebook, Love For Life website, etc. since 2005. We will be posting this interview on YouTube shortly and notifying everyone when its up. We plan to create a second video ASAP, be it an interview with someone or just us talking to the video camera, to fill in all the information we didn't have time to cover in the Jeanice Barcelo interview.

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Answer/Remedy Is NO SYSTEM

When we FULLY reconnect with our SENSES we already have a natural "social" way of life requiring NO SYSTEM, no man-made social-engineering, no education, no being under another MANS IMAGE-POWER. This insight goes right over most people heads as they find it almost impossible to comprehend because all they have ever known is chaos (trauma) and enslavement to that chaos (trauma). We are fighting for something we already are and already have. All that is required is that we give up "The System" of trauma. Let go, let go, let go of trauma (non-sense) and work with our SENSES. DO WE HAVE TO JUMP 10 FEET ACROSS A ROOM TO GRAB OUR NEXT BREATH? Of course not, we already have everything we need and so much more. Refer to the TRAUMA, SYSTEM LIFE & Govern-MEN-t http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8428 as behind all this chaos is TRAUMA causing us to react to "chaos" with "social-engineered "order".

Most of us are still locked in non-sense, unable to sense the intentions coming from another and this clearly demonstrates why such a vast and terrible breakdown in communication occurred between those of "civilisation" (social-engineering) recording those not of "civilisation" (tribes of MAN on land). This problem continues on between us all trying to sense each others intentions while using a non-sense language to communicate with each other.

The conditioning behind words like "social" are extremely misleading. "System" words like "social" are mostly identified with hierarchical structures and other man-made IMAGE-POWER forms of order. The more we look into nature the more we are meeting men and women coming forward sharing information past down from their ancestors pre "The System" invasion. We are also discovering facts such as the Portuguese introducing the caste "system" into the lands we now call "India" somewhere around the mid 1400's/1600's and that before the caste system was introduced there were ONLY tribes/families of MAN spread out for thousands of kilometres.

When we learn to disregard what "The System" his-story/her-story tells us how to think and feel and act about our history we learn to reconnect with our ancestral ways/roots that have nothing to do with "The System" his-story/her-story of the "dark ages" or "cave man" or neanderthal man" or "wars" or "evolution" or "carbon dating/time" or the misleading wonders of "ancient civilisations", etc, etc.

Basically, all this Freemasonic/Satanic recorded history in any read and write alphabet language is severely compromised. Let's face it, were any of us present, that we remember, during the vast majority of their his-story? Can the writers of the his-story bring forward some first parties to back their stories? "Social systems is a system construct. It is when we learn to re-connect with the information of our ancestors that would have been passed down by word of mouth, through tribal tongues rather than read-and-write alphabet languages, probably through song, that we can learn the truth about how our ancestors lived. "The System" doesn't want us to remember this so it is highly unlikely that they put any of it in their his-story!

Also, the way Aboriginal "languages" were translated would have been way off the mark because they did not have the same constructs and concepts in the way they lived as those translating their communication would have been brainwashed into. How can the language of one way of life describe a completely different way of life. This is also why it is sometimes hard to describe our true capabilities and the way we sense we can live as free MAN on the land when all we have to communicate with is the dead language of"The System". Dead language because, when we use it, we are not using our senses. Instead, we are lost to non-sense when there is no sense. How do we describe what we sense with the language of non-sense? No doubt this is why there are so many "misunderstandings" between us. We end up in non-sensory story telling, repeating what others have told us.

When we are using our SENSES we are consciously connected with all of life as WHOLENESS - there is no separation causing "chaos" requiring "social engineered system glues" to bind us all together into a contrived "order", which is ALL about being under the IMAGE-POWER of another MAN.

Copied from another FB post to save "time"..............

For us, the answer is NO system, and everyone taking full responsibility for their lives - as you say, we are capable of creating what we need for abundant, truly free lives. However, we had a look at Trivium Education - we can clearly tell its flawed on many, many fronts. We use scrutiny to rout out all forms of NON-SENSE/SENSORY images/imagery so that all that is left standing is SENSE/SENSORY images. We go where the logic of truth/sense takes us - we never argue for any belief, faith or associated opinion, all of which are rooted in NON-SENSE. We have been working at unravelling all the BS and spells of "The System" since 2006. All alphabet languages are constructed out of mathematics which is derived from geometry/sacred-geometry. All three are abominations derived from black-magic and are cleverly crafted to trap the duped into fallen "states" of NON-SENSE (unconsciousness/death-to-sense).

This wonderland is designed brilliantly, cleverly trapping victims into living contrived lives that are fictionalised story-telling performances where they continue setting into motion non-sensory images that they believe are true but which will never lead them to truth and to stepping out of this man-made matrix. We see this all through the freedom truth movement. Here is a link http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8369 where you can find our videos and articles, etc, that explain all this and so much more in greater detail, if you are interested in putting the work in.

An interesting debate is the one with Raymond Karczewski http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414 which gets very intense and we get what you mean about attacks for just disagreeing with people! We are committed to creating Do No Harm communities that are not of "The System" but are all about living as MAN co-creating with nature that we are. Everything we need is already provided for us. We created a food forest video in February this year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A (embedded below) which touches on some of the vision of Do No Harm communities.

Trauma + System Life + GovernMENt +
True Purpose Behind Chemtrails And HAARP

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
1st June 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8428

The Cristian Family November 2006

Transition Shifting From Limited Liability/Responsibility
To Full Liability/Responsibility

Posted by Virginie Delame in the Love For Life Discussions Group: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=656198334409324&id=164...

Hi Christian there are interesting things on this site and i thank you for your work.However,if you want freedom then perhaps you should free yourself from the illusion that you can live and not do any harm. You live on the death of fellow life forms be it animal or vegetable. Does a vegetable have any less right to life than an animal?To truly do no harm you would have to kill yourself. But we are to selfish for that.And it looks like you have a lovely family but does multiplying your dna by three contribute to the welfare of the other life forms inhabiting the planet? Perhaps if you want freedom you should free yourself of the need to put a legal disclaimer on this site and trust that no body, person, legal fiction will sue your all capital letter corporate name that you are the agent for. What exactly are you afraid of? Free yourself of the law you purport to have a handle on. Say what you say...post what you post..and live by it. I dont see any legal disclaimers at the end of any truth speakers during the course of history. But i guess you don't want to get in trouble.. heh (: Still one of the sheeple you dont want to be.

We replied................

Thanks for sharing your views but to us you are completely lost in story-telling Virginie. All you are really doing here is trying to kidnap our characters so that you can impersonate them, which you do by the claims you have made here, making them out to be ours, of our making, of our intention, when in fact this is not true because you made them all up, they are your claims and most definitely not ours.

Also, there is no Christian here so it seems you have ended up on the wrong planet. Suggest you recheck your navigation equipment and get back on track with your out of this world wonderland journey. Maybe, and if this destination temporarily appeases your sensory indulgences ,you could visit, explore and contemplate on the information we share in many of the Love For Life articles, videos, debates, podcasts, etc, posted in this FB wall, scroll down to find them or you can go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8369

To us, it is more than likely that our original ancestors, original MAN was breatharyan and that we, the descendants co-creating MAN across many many generations, have gradually fallen from purity and sincerity of do no harm. As we are awakening in the middle of a man-made hell called "The System" and seeing how we are severely compromised with none of us, when we were children, provided with idiot friendly full-disclosure of what would become of our lives by setting trauma based non-sensory images into motion, we have taken full-responsibility to start working our way back out of this long, deep, dark dark tunnel that is "The System" and back towards the light we see outside of it that is sensory-nature/sensory-life all around us.

From Arthur's FB wall, posted a while ago.........

Peaceful Transition Through Sacrifice And Service

We feel there is an essential peaceful do no harm transition required to get all of MAN back to standing on MANS feet without reliance upon another MAN for water, food, shelter. As it stands everyone in "The System" are highly dependent and reliant on the "group mind-set" that forms "The System" of slaves providing services and benefits for the emotionally addicted slaves to "The System" (and you can put us in the same basket too). The transition is to get MAN back to relying ONLY on nature without 3rd party interlopers, intermeddlers, interceders getting in the way. The transition is a team effort with the foresight for setting all of MAN free down-the-line so that MAN is no longer dependent on slaves and masters providing services, benefits, privileges and exclusivity while being bound to contracts, rituals, procedures, conditions, rules & regulations which compromises MAN severely.

This transition is all about shifting from limited liability/responsibility to full liability/responsibility. This full responsibility is all about caring for our health, nature all around us, clean uncorrupted (pure) water and food, partner/co-creator, children, shelter, animal-friends in partnership, etc. In "The System", we are already together destroying each other - we have to come together to create peace together so that we can all have peace. We cannot live peacefully when we are islands, not taking full responsibility for the lives of those around us until EVERYONE can take full responsibility for their life, which means that EVERYONE is healed of system trauma. In "The System", we all come together to make slaves of each other - now is the moment to come together to set each other free, to live for each other's freedom, peace, joy and abundance. Once we have set each other free, we are free.

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

"The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

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Once we fix these issues, we or our children or our descendants to come, can start focusing on the even bigger picture of getting back to where our ancestors were, as breatharyan's, before they fell into non-sense images to be enslaved by them.

Also, we have no need for legal disclaimers because we operate under full-responsibility/full-liability which forces everyone/anyone, who wants to take us on, to operate under full-liability/responsibility too. We won't let any third party interlopers, intermeddlers, interceders, operating under limited liability/responsibility, get in the way and be used as shields/props of story-telling, for the benefit of hiding behind them for protection while attacking us with the determination of seeking validation & justification for their reactions to claims of trauma/story-telling harm-doing. They need to bring forward all first parties to their claims. This stuffs up ALL troublemakers trying to create a controversy where there isn't one. Our approach to do no harm is peaceful and dismantles all story tellers trying to use the semantics/constructs/story-telling of capital letters or not, or using "name" as agents-in-commerce or not. They no longer have power or FORCE in law, statute or not. We don't give a stuff about whatever shields they try to use to hide behind for protection - when you force them to come out from hiding behind shields of story-telling/trauma, the "game"/story-telling is over, that's unless they want to be clearly seen by everyone as harm-doers hell-bent on blatantly doing harm, then their intentions are exposed for all to see/witness.

All the best to you and your family
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

The Cristian Family November 2006

Trapped In Story-Telling

Karl Grubmayer implied: "How can you co-create with corporate slaves who are not aware they are corporate slaves, particularly when all they think and live for is wanting to be right, to win, to be better than others, to be first and to profit from their "story-telling"?

Karl was referring to this post we posted 11th July 2013 "We live to create freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance......etc in the lives of everyone around us so that we can have it too......... and in service/reverence for MAN/Earth/Nature, with everyone in their unique original ways living for the virtues (co-creation) of MANS love as that service in everyday practice, then we all live in paradise. This is very different to living for my freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, for my land, my food, my truth, my money, my, my, my, mine, mine, mine, own, own, own, "i", "i", "i", etc, and forming an eco village/community around this self-centered attitude is no different to how everyone lives in "The System" today.

We replied to Karl...............

You can't, it's impossible because they are lost/trapped in story-telling. There is no uniqueness/originality of thought/dreams there, therefore there is no freedom, no MAN, there is no full-responsibility either because they are bound to the limited-liability, limited-limitations/responsibilities of story-telling which are just thoughts, ideas, feelings and actions made up by others telling them how to think, feel and act. These reactions to story-telling (re-presenting "intellectual property"), that is trauma based, is what constructs robots, drones, corporate slaves, fictions, persons, ego's, in-divide-u-all-s, etc, and is how the "The System" is constructed into a make-believe fantasy-world. Without getting many men and women to perform/act as the characters of Alice in Wonderland the story can't be performed. Same with corporate fictions, etc, no actors, no "system" can be set into motion - no performance of "The System" can happen." Max Igan, David Icke, etc, are just the many many snakes used to con/trick/seduce/manipulate MAN into performing the Story-Telling they peddle. Shows you how nasty, sick and devious these "story-tellers" (liars) are. They are shaping the feel good/god/oneness/cosmic-galactic "story" of the New World Order and conning others to fall into these stories so that they create the story-telling and thus are living these stories and therefore are creating the outcomes already pre-determined for them down-the-line. We have to wake everyone up to what is really going on.

Love Arthur

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Natalie Guest

you nail it on the head ... having said that, "i" is not easy to shed ...

24 July at 18:33

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Commonlyknownas Maddy

When you say David and Max are liars....do you think this is deliberate and planned ?? Or they are genuinely believing what they say and have good intentions, maybe ??...x

24 July at 18:42

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Commonlyknownas Maddy

Unaware pawns in a "game" they don't know they are playing ??

24 July at 18:47

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John T Bastiaan

We all need to come together as one not as groups of (gangs and counter gangs) Keep well my friends.

24 July at 20:06

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Arthur Cristian

Hi Maddy & Natalie, to us it's intentional/blatant. They are specifically trained for what they do. Like specific judges used in mortgage court cases to control the playing field of this game. They are trained to know the boundaries and the consequences that arise if/when combatants step outside of them. It is their job to keep contestants inside the playing field, inside the game, otherwise they lose. Is why law is so corrupt, they can't afford precedence and news of this to spread fast all-around, that's unless it suits the outcomes pre-determined by their orders/sects/fraternities/etc.

25 July at 00:01

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Natalie Guest

it sounds like studying the law is a very good investment of time, if one can make sense of it .. it is certainly not what they cover on any courses

24 July at 23:33

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Arthur Cristian

@ John, not disregarding your good intentions, coming together as "one" is actually the sameness-glue of "The System" binding everyone to the new world order. The true/correct path is WHOLENESS where the uniqueness and originality of all men, women and children is honoured, protected, encouraged and nurtured so that all of MAN co-creates Life As A Gift with NO SYSTEM coming in-between MAN and MAN and in-between MAN and Earth/Nature.

NO-SYSTEM because all of MAN claims no "ownership" over "intellectual property". It's only in claiming ownership (belief, faith and associated opinion is all about claiming ownership over "story telling") that we need man-made systems to protect what men and women claim they own and thus a man-made system (coming together as "one") binds everyone under the "same" man-made system and therefore we end up with slaves and rulers and all the other issues that have plagued us and the many generations trapped under man-made systems since this non-sense started long ago in Egypt which means "The System".

NO SYSTEM is what we all must live for if we all want to reclaim freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, no loss of uniqueness/originality for everyone/everything and no slaves and rulers or WACO scenarios, for all men, women and children. This means we have to break the "spell" of education because it is through the "story telling" that we become "educated-slaves" creating prisons/systems of our own enslavement. Outside of our ancestors being invaded, humiliated, decimated, raped, pillaged and plundered, education is the most terrible thing ever done to all of us. We were never meant to be educated which is all about being under the IMAGE-POWER of those who seek to have power and control over us. There is no other purpose for "education".

Do we have to jump 10 feet across a room to grab our next breath? Of course not - everything we need is already taken care off. We have just forgotten who we really are and what we are really part of.

From the moment of creation/inception our children already have all the truth of life embodied/encoded as their life. The FORCE behind The System" has interfered so that our children and us do not connect with our true power, gifts, skills, purpose, etc, for the dream of Life. We have all been hijacked/distracted. TRUTH does not require story-telling. Truth is already evident all around us, that's unless we keep destroying nature in all its magnificent myriad forms.

24 July at 23:52

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Geoffrey Franklin

It certainly is not easy to wake up folks that are asleep like Snow white.

25 July at 03:56

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Commonlyknownas Maddy

Thanks @Arthur ;0) x

25 July at 07:20

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Matt King

Thank-you Karl I also was struggling with Arthur on that same broad concept ... As Always Arthur/Fiona put it so beautifully .... First RESPONSIBILITY/FOUNDATION has to be seen or it still is a System Virus. story telling a Wolfe in sheep's clothing discussing iit's virus self and trying to bring in the NEW WORLD ORDER through deception/deceit/storytelling wiley ways ... from: Lynne Via matt

27 July at 05:59

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Karl Grubmayr

i am not struglig,iunderstand verry well!!!!!dont listen to you mother he he he

Monday at 23:07

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The Cristian Family November 2006

How To Create Remedy/Kindom In Present Sense

Karl Grubmayr implied: "Thanks Arthur and Fiona, This MAN comprehends but how to create Kindom? People are not able to listen. Not one. They get reactive, violent, abusive, nasty, etc. No One, everyone, this includes the educated ones. Their trauma has them be in is such a severe state they will not look at themselves, how to do what needs to be done. Max Igan and Kazinsky are perfect examples. So...... how to create Kindom? - 25 July at 11:50.

We replied...........

Hi Karl. Walk-the-talk of your standing of Kindom with those who live to walk-the-talk of Kindom too. Unless you are walking-the-talk you are not creating Kindom. The thought of Kindom is not Kindom. THE THOUGHT OF KINDOM DOES NOT CREATE KINDOM. We must give LIFE to the thought of Kindom so that it is a living/sensory-dream in present-sense. Kindom is the life of Kindom we live, that we set into motion. In our current compromised state, thanks to many many many years of intensive, moment by moment repetitive and reinforcing brainwashing, if we don't give life to Kindom in present-sense we are instead giving life to "The System" regardless of whatever other version is unfolded as the New World Order shortly.

We see Life Is A Gift and Do No Harm is the path to true freedom, peace, joy, abundance, truth, etc....... which is at the heart of Kindom/Do No Harm Communities. Unless we walk-the-talk of Life Is A Gift & Do No Harm we are completely lost in "The System" of a man-made Hell made up of self-centered men, women and children isolated from each other as in-divide-u-all-s. All requiring "The System" GLUE of "ONENESS", etc, to bind everyone together under the umbrella of a uniformed commercial code (UCC).

You are right about the extent of trauma, how deeply entrenched it is. However, if our intention is sincere and we are willing to persevere, persevere, persevere, no matter how much the trauma tells us to run away, tells us to wait for others, tells us to pass-the-buck, etc, we will get through it and create lives we dream of here and now.

Kindom starts by the way we live (set into motion) Kindom in present-sense. With Kindom in our intention, we start to co-create as best we can in our severely-compromised "state", learning, letting go, learning, letting go. This is all we can do. It is a deconstruction process of unlearning/deprogramming/letting go of all "The System" story-telling brainwashing/braindirtying we've endured thus far.

We learn to walk-the-talk by actually walking-the-talk which has us learning Kindom in present-sense, learning what it takes to walk, trying (practising) to take steps and falling over again and again and again. Our no-back-door commitment (what stand/live for) is no different. Eventually, we learn to truly live again (BE) as free MAN.

We must not wait for a story teller to come along with a system to give us peace, freedom, etc, and we have to be wary of the many, many system story tellers offering us their version of another system that has us conform and give our power away to be under another MAN's image power once more.

We have to get rid of the duality. With duality, we are thinking about Kindom, freedom, etc, which makes us apart from Kindom, freedom, love, peace, joy, abundance, etc. We have to be Kindom and create it in the lives of those around us by serving (living freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, for) them.

We have to create Kindom by living it here and now, learning that we do not need any man-made system in the form of a trust or govern-MEN-t or a "star trek federation", etc, in-between MAN and MAN and in-between MAN and nature/earth.

We only get trapped in the New World Order ("The System") when we allow the story tellers to keep us believing in their duality stories/images so that we only think freedom, as a concept/construct/etc, rather than living/being it.

When we get past duality, there is nothing more to complain about; there is only the life of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, to live.

Now you have broken the spell, broken the grip the story tellers have over you.

While you are listening to David Icke, Max Igan, "Thrive", Zeitgeist", "One Earth/Planet/World", etc, you are still trapped in the spells set-into-motion by a man still reliant on "The System" and you are still not taking FULL-responsibility for your life, for living Kindom, for being peace, truth, freedom, etc, and standing up for everybody around you so that they are peace, truth, freedom, etc, too.

Listening to the shepherds/light-bearers of the NWO is no different to voting for politicians.

Being the gift of life, being do no harm creates Paradise.

Not disregarding our/your FULL-responsibility for living Kindom here and now, even on our "own", the simplest way to start Kindom is to get together with others who stand for truth, freedom, etc, in present-sense. Move to rental properties right near each other, start creating gardens together and sharing what you grow. Get into each others lives so that everyone is taken care of. Support each other's children, maintain each other's homes and pool ALL your money (no one "owns" anything - it's all shared as Kindom in practice) to get what you need from "The System" until you have the infrastructure of a living-community in place to sever all ties completely, to cause a MASS EXODUS OUT OF "THE SYSTEM". Heal each other and live for each other without contracts or conditions. Without expectations, just giving and letting go, giving and letting go, giving and letting go, giving and letting go................

Do we have to jump 10 feet across a room to grab our next breath? Of course not, everything we need is already taken care of. We just need to let go, let go, let go, let go.......... of all "The System" brainwashing and behind it, all the conditioning to trauma that has us be in a "state" of perpetual reaction to trauma and therefore trapped as the glue of "The System".

Imagine hundreds and hundreds of us coming-together living like this in present-sense.

Land isn't the problem - we are already on land, even when we are in the suburbs or apartment blocks. This is what we are doing, so come and do it with us. If you are in another country and don't have anyone around you to start doing it with, come over here to Bowral, NSW, Australia. Lets deal with visas, passports, etc, down-the-line. Creating "community immunity" in vast numbers quickly that is Kindom and spreading our immune system of LOVE-FOR-LIFE(MAN) (Life Is A Gift - Do No Harm) out and out and out in all directions is what Freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, is all about, is made of.

We are not bound to countries, races and creeds; we are MAN as Earth and the whole of Earth is our paradise to co-create. When enough of us make the sacrifices and get together, we will be (ARE) strong enough to stand up to the re-presentatives of the FORCE of "The System" when they turn up, if they turn up. The more we start doing this, the more we start taking FULL-responsibility for our lives and the lives of those around us, the less and less and less we need "The System" of govern-MEN-t and its "services", "benefits", privileges", etc.

All things considered, what sacrifice is too great to make when healing Earth/MAN is at stake and sure catastrophe if we don't take action. All it is, is a change in attitude/behaviour/direction/values/etc and setting that change into motion here and now.

More on all this here:

"From Bare Dirt To Abundance"
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

(Video embedded below)
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

and here

Love For Links: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8369

and here

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

and here

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

and here

"The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

and here

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

and here

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
27th February 2013 onwards...
Part One: http://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao
Part Two: http://youtu.be/tbybeOWZ-Bc
Part Three: http://youtu.be/yOWoxH-HbVw
Part Four: coming

Love Arthur

The Cristian Family November 2006

Refuse To Re-Present The Story-Telling
Of Other Men And Women's Making

Reaction To Trauma - First party to first party, we always go where the sensory logic of truth/sense/direct-sensory-experience takes us. We refuse to re-present the story-telling of other men and women instructing/guiding/manipulating/conning us into how we should think, feel, act, live, etc, which effects everything we are sensing (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) in present-sense. If we allow this sham/scam to effect us by inviting the story-teller into our lives so we can perform his/her thinking, etc, we fall under the "spell" of belief, faith and associated opinion to that story-teller.

Through story-telling we disconnect/disassociate from the direct-experience of sensory-life all-around-us, meaning, in present-sense we are no longer MAN, we are no longer freedom, no longer peace, no longer joy, no longer abundance, etc, meaning, we have given up who we really are in present-sense to be in the image/thoughts/ideas/emotions, to be the reaction of this trauma made up by others forcing us to act/perform their story-telling of "peace", "freedom", etc, NOT in present sense.

Look at how many of us are striving for freedom in the FUTURE. Instead of being peace, we think "peace", instead of being freedom, we think and fight for "freedom", "joy", "abundance", etc.

Now we are LOST in the story-telling.

The stories are many and varied, and often not obviously nasty.

For example, in response to the above post (names & websites sanitised)

She said: "Take what you can use and leave the rest - no need to pick up what is not needed or ours All the best always in abundance and joy."

We replied: A lie is a lie - a liar is a liar - if we do not use our senses to scrutinise and rout out all forms of lies and liars we can easily fall under the spell of belief causing us to set lies/liars into motion. We do this by giving life to lies/liars with our lives, innocent or not. This is the basis of MANS fallen "state" and is the cause of all forms of harm-doing. While under the spell of belief, etc, we have given up taking full-responsibility to do no harm and instead are now under limited liability/responsibility which permits the lie and liar to spread harm all-around. It spreads because we are that lie/liar spreading the harm.

She replied: "Thanks Arthur- I think what a person focuses on they magnify and I have found that everyone comes to truth in their own time and their own way -we can not force it on anyone- we can only do our part within ourselves to improve our own state of disillusion and delusion which ripples across the eathers and increases in love".

We replied: The issue is about people/us not being conscious of the images/thoughts/ideas they/we are focusing on throughout their/our waking-lives. While asleep in denial and ignorance, under the "spell" of belief, etc, we are causing immense harm in present-sense.

She replied: "I am much more calmer and feel very much loved - like a great wave of emotion has bathed me in beautiful loving warmth and friendship all around (heart) (F) (hug), this is not everyone's path Arthur we are very fortunate to be here NOW and to have each other (heart)".

We replied: The virtues of love includes confrontation - it's all in the intention to do no harm. Apathy is a major sickness in MAN today, the gossamer spray that is the story-telling of "love" and "peace", etc, turns MAN into a pathetic wimp, a MAN gutless and afraid to stand up and say NO to harm in all its forms. But not only stand up, but to back it all-the-way until harm has been completely dissolved. An immune system compromised is a very sick MAN.

He replied: "Are you saying if I understand you correctly speaking of Love and Peace is a wimpy thing?".

She replied: "You sound very angry Arthur and that will never increase your joy (heart)".

We replied: No anger here - you are just story-telling.

He replied: "Perhaps the path for you this time round is to discover that which is the essence and core of creation. At times we express the opposite of what we truly yearning for... that being love".

We replied: Fiona Cristian: Read again (names sanitised).

She replied: "We have a very tight nit family here Arthur that operates with tolerance and love and we do not call each other names although we do discuss issues and share our views in a very loving manner- I invite you to join us in the weekly round up and we can share our views together (heart)".

We replied: More story telling (name sanitised). Best not try to kidnap this MANS character by impersonating it so that you can make claim over this MAN with claims you have made up about this MAN, claiming they are coming from this MAN when in fact they are only coming from you, you made them all up. This is the basis of fraud and slander. No offense intended, just sharing facts/truth.

He replied: "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You seem very angry at the world, tough living from fear. May you find Peace, as for those who may never understand it they will always try defend their pain. Have a lovely day and may you discover your truth either in Light or darkness, after all life is about choice".

We replied: (names sanitised), the story-telling of your wonderland will not have you sense this MAN. This MAN, Arthur, is not in your story. Step outside of this non-sense to sense this MANS intention/presence/life, etc.

We replied: So its OK for both of you to take pot shots at Arthur and then ignore Arthur by writing him off as an angry man, etc????

She replied: "(heart) Yes we are all amazing even when we act otherwise (heart)".

We replied: While acting "ugly" we forget the "amazing" we are so that in present-sense we are setting harm into motion without no way of stopping it. Reality is quite different to fantasy and illusion.

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In the original post we also wrote this at the end....

ps: watch out for David Icke, he is a full-on re-presentative of the FORCE behind "The System". To us, his new tv/radio show is a direct attack on MAN - we are now upping our tempo on the net to counteract this agenda. Nice sweet tasting lollies wrapped and marketed beautifully containing a little, nasty poison, nice smiling politicians kissing babies, nice friendly smiling banking commercials with banksters shaking hands with duped innocent lambs to the slaughter, etc. We are drowning in niceness all around. We are being destroyed by niceness. It only takes one lie/liar to do all the damage. David can be very charming but it is the charm of the snake charmer.

An immune system compromised is a very sick MAN. True love is strong and stands up to harm. True love does not "accept" harm and excuse it as being "not my reality". True love does not back down until harm has been completely dissolved.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

The Cristian Family November 2006

GOD MEANS FULL-RESPONSIBILITY/LIABILITY

To us, the word "God" or creator or living-creator really means/implies FULL-RESPONSIBILITY/LIABILITY. We say that MAN IS God IS Living-Creator which means THE BUCK STOPS WITH US but this all falls apart when we become lost in the story-telling of belief, faith & associated opinion of a "God" apart from us/MAN, now we are under limited-responsibility/liability because we have passed the buck to a "higher power" than us/MAN. This story telling, based in duality, is the brilliant craft and practice of Freemasonry/Satanism at play. Instead of God they now use words like "one" or "oneness" or "divine" or "universal consciousness" or "astrology" or "astronomy" or "science" or "judge" or "politician" or "president" or "prime minister" or "queen" or "emperor" or "caesar" or "bank" or "stock market" or "economy" or "executive" or "ceo" or "person" or "money" or channeled matthew/ramtha/kryon/galactic federation of light/etc, or "global warming" or "alien invasion" or "mayan calendar" or "bible", or "time", etc, ............ there are many many many thousands of these pass-the-buck lies circulating as part of man-made alphabet languages causing MAN to set these false-images/idols into motion and thus fall under the influence of these story-telling lies that are "spells" of black-magic. Watch out for story-tellers as there are many many thousands of these Freemasons/Satanists conning MAN/us to fall into their stories to become actors in plays/pantomimes of their own making, that being "The System". Refer to Love For Life articles, videos, debates, etc, for more on this subject http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8369. Scrolling down this Facebook wall is helpful too.

All the best - Arthur

The Cristian Family November 2006

Controlled Opposition

Due to controlled opposition, we are extremely vigilant and discerning when these type of scenarios come about. The NWO is "The System" under another guise, it will look something like Star Trek Federation in Nature. The NWO will be brought in by all the "Good Guys" bringing a new "oneness order system" to the present chaos engineered by the "Bad Guys". As many of you already know we life/stand for NO SYSTEM. We will do everything we can to expose and obliterate any idea or concept, sugar coated or not, that supports "The System", a man-made system under any guise. We know all the trickery going on to give the "duped", the impression that "serfs/commoners" are making headway with the courts of "The System". For more on this please read our recent reply to Max Igan here: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201394869221762 - We've already posted this video before but we thought we would put it up again.

Sarah McLeod - OPPT is a fraud. The truth from the horses mouth: Neil Keenan - Published on Apr 23, 2013 - An extended interview with Neil Keenan in Jakarta, Indonesia, in which he reveals just what a dangerous game the One People's Public Trust (OPPT) was attempting to play with people's lives and freedom - not only in Indonesia, but around the world. It is, however, a game that has been shut down, as Keenan tells how OPPT went from one Global Accounts scammer to another (Adnan Sahkli, White Spiritual Wonder Boy, and now UN Swissindo) hoping to find someone to fund their totalitarian revolution - a phony movement that gives every appearance of being the bankster cabal's attempt to co-opt the real and profound global awakening that spells the end of their control. "We had to be devious in the beginning" said one OPPT principal in a taped call that was sent anonymously to Keenan. Now Keenan simply warns them that their arrests are likely imminent....and warns people longing for freedom not to buy into the OPPT "rose garden" false promises of instant wealth. Help is on the way...from global humanitarian programs funded (with the blessing of the nations) from the Global Collateral Accounts.

Part One

Part Two

The Cristian Family November 2006

Love For Life Background

Briefly, for almost 20 years until 2005, Arthur built an office automation sales & services business with few dollars and no background experience to start with. Over the years, while going up and down financially, we employed many hundreds of staff and turned over big $$$$. Then in 2005 we were attacked by organised crime led by banksters which led to the theft of the family home worth $1.2m, and the destruction of two cash flow businesses leaving us close to destitution and poverty caring for four young daughters. Everything we worked for and owned was stolen. This fraud was protected by judges, barristers, lawyers, politicians, priests, media representatives, etc. What shocked us the most was that there was no "community immunity", no tribe or community prepared to stand up to what was going on.

So, with no experience, we decided to take on the crime syndicate and wake people up to what was going on while working out why "community immunity" did not exist. Thus began the Love For Life campaign in March 2005 and the www.LoveForLife.com.au website in December 2006.

What we have experienced since starting Love For Life....... there have been many many terrible things said about us, including descriptions of horrific things they would like to do to Fiona and the children. We have experienced humiliation, ridicule, abuse, hatred, Fiona being kidnapped, break and enter attempts, 4 assassination attempts on Arthur and 12 death threats to the family. Close supporters, a married couple in their 70's were hog tied, hooded, a bullet put through the man's hip and both tortured for hours. We have experienced extensive big brother surveillance in every way imaginable including being followed everywhere and helicopters hovering overhead. On two separate occasions swarms of police, detectives, sheriffs, tow trucks (up to 16 of them providing attention to a non-violent family who carry no weapons, live a do no harm path and who have never broken the peace or caused a crime or injured anyone) came to our rental family home to steal family assets such as the family car, and then, after collecting the stolen car from the pirates auction, we had a very large squad of police harass, intimidate and threaten us repeatedly on the long journey back home.

But we leave everything, warts and all, out in the open on the Love For Life website, YouTube Channel www.youtube.com/arthurloveforlife & Facebook Walls www.facebook.com/arthurcristian for all to see because we have nothing to hide and nothing to be ashamed of. We are not the problem. TRUTH stands. We have not changed except to get stronger and stronger and stronger. We do not see what other people say and do as being our problem when it comes to this stuff - it is what we do and how we behave/live that we are responsible for. They will have to kill us to stop us.

Since March 2005, all our Love For Life work has been done for free, all given away as gifts to benefit others. There are no conditions or contracts attached. And poverty and destitution still lingers nearby for us but we are not in fear of this; we keep living the dream of Love For Life because there is nothing else for us to live for.

We are now learning to be professional songwriters, producers, engineers, singers, etc, to spread the many insights we have connected with since 2005. We know very little about making music hands-on and Arthur, now 55, could not sing until his voice started opening up last year without lessons or practice. Then gifts started rolling in from supporters and we started accruing audio production hardware & software listed here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8459. Audio technology with its jargon is extremely intimidating but we are not giving up. We realise we need lots of help to complete all links to the unbroken chain. What we have to offer is a vast range of lyrical content that is far from your average love song, all set to a story-telling landscape of music that has its base in the late 60s and early 70s but is not limited to a particular genre.

The themes we touch on can be considered controversial but we write with great imagery. A current 9 minute song we are working on is about paedophilia and child sex rings/gangs. It is set to a dreamy landscape of psychedelia with strong melodic hooks to capture all the reactive moods of trauma. We write about factual themes and ones that we have direct experience with, the point being to bring such subjects to people's awareness and inspire them to walk away from this system of harm and abuse to co-create peaceful lives for all. We are looking to work with people who want to help support Love For Life by helping with recording and production. We do not do this for money and are not looking for contracts. With support from others with professional skills with programs such as Powerpoint, we plan to create audio-visual driven seminars, talks and workshops. Eventually we want to create documentaries, too. Love For Life is at the forefront of a team-effort grassroots movement without leaders or followers and without links to "The System" or societies, secret or not.

As amateurs with very basic equipment and some help from a friend in August 2011, we wrote & recorded "Save Our Lives" as a rough demo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMgcLqO7VrQ - We plan to record/produce it professionally later this year. We've come a long way since then. We have over 100 inspired songs to record and are keen to collaborate with others to help spread the Love For Life work.

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Thought Of Freedom Is Not Freedom

First party to first party, we always go where the sensory logic of truth/sense/direct-sensory-experience takes us. We refuse to re-present the story-telling of other men and women instructing/guiding/manipulating/conning us into how we should think, feel, act, live, etc, which effects everything we are sensing (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) in present-sense. If we allow this sham/scam to effect us by inviting the story-teller into our lives so we can perform his/her thinking, etc, we fall under the "spell" of belief, faith and associated opinion to that story-teller. Through story-telling we disconnect/disassociate from the direct-experience of sensory-life all-around-us, meaning, in present-sense we are no longer MAN, we are no longer freedom, no longer peace, no longer joy, no longer abundance, etc. We have given up who we really are in present-sense to be in the image/thoughts/ideas/emotions, to be the reaction of this trauma made up by others forcing us to act/perform their story-telling of "peace", "freedom", etc, NOT in present sense.

Look at how many of us are striving for freedom in the FUTURE. Instead of being peace, we think "peace", instead of being freedom, we think and fight for "freedom", "joy", "abundance", etc.

Now we are LOST in the story-telling.

The stories are many and varied, and often not obviously nasty.

For example, in response to the above post (names & websites sanitised)

She said: "Take what you can use and leave the rest - no need to pick up what is not needed or ours All the best always in abundance and joy."

We replied: A lie is a lie - a liar is a liar - if we do not use our senses to scrutinise and rout out all forms of lies and liars we can easily fall under the spell of belief causing us to set lies/liars into motion. We do this by giving life to lies/liars with our lives, innocent or not. This is the basis of MANS fallen "state" and is the cause of all forms of harm-doing. While under the spell of belief, etc, we have given up taking full-responsibility to do no harm and instead are now under limited liability/responsibility which permits the lie and liar to spread harm all-around. It spreads because we are that lie/liar spreading the harm.

She replied: "Thanks Arthur- I think what a person focuses on they magnify and I have found that everyone comes to truth in their own time and their own way -we can not force it on anyone- we can only do our part within ourselves to improve our own state of disillusion and delusion which ripples across the eathers and increases in love".

We replied: The issue is about people/us not being conscious of the images/thoughts/ideas they/we are focusing on throughout their/our waking-lives. While asleep in denial and ignorance, under the "spell" of belief, etc, we are causing immense harm in present-sense.

She replied: "I am much more calmer and feel very much loved - like a great wave of emotion has bathed me in beautiful loving warmth and friendship all around (heart) (F) (hug), this is not everyone's path Arthur we are very fortunate to be here NOW and to have each other (heart)".

We replied: The virtues of love includes confrontation - it's all in the intention to do no harm. Apathy is a major sickness in MAN today, the gossamer spray that is the story-telling of "love" and "peace", etc, turns MAN into a pathetic wimp, a MAN gutless and afraid to stand up and say NO to harm in all its forms. But not only stand up, but to back it all-the-way until harm has been completely dissolved. An immune system compromised is a very sick MAN.

He replied: "Are you saying if I understand you correctly speaking of Love and Peace is a wimpy thing?".

She replied: "You sound very angry Arthur and that will never increase your joy (heart)".

We replied: No anger here - you are just story-telling.

He replied: "Perhaps the path for you this time round is to discover that which is the essence and core of creation. At times we express the opposite of what we truly yearning for... that being love".

We replied: Read again (names sanitised).

She replied: "We have a very tight nit family here Arthur that operates with tolerance and love and we do not call each other names although we do discuss issues and share our views in a very loving manner- I invite you to join us in the weekly round up and we can share our views together (heart)".

We replied: More story telling (name sanitised). Best not try to kidnap this MANS character by impersonating it so that you can make claim over this MAN with claims you have made up about this MAN, claiming they are coming from this MAN when in fact they are only coming from you, you made them all up. This is the basis of fraud and slander. No offence intended, just sharing facts/truth.

He replied: "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You seem very angry at the world, tough living from fear. May you find Peace, as for those who may never understand it they will always try defend their pain. Have a lovely day and may you discover your truth either in Light or darkness, after all life is about choice".

We replied: (names sanitised), the story-telling of your wonderland will not have you sense this MAN. This MAN, Arthur, is not in your story. Step outside of this non-sense to sense this MANS intention/presence/life, etc.

We replied: So its OK for both of you to take pot shots at Arthur and then ignore Arthur by writing him off as an angry man, etc????

She replied: "(heart) Yes we are all amazing even when we act otherwise (heart)".

We replied: While acting "ugly" we forget the "amazing" we are so that in present-sense we are setting harm into motion without no way of stopping it. Reality is quite different to fantasy and illusion.

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In the original post we also wrote this at the end....

Ps: watch out for David Icke, he is a full-on re-presentative of the FORCE behind "The System". To us, his new tv/radio show is a direct attack on MAN - we are now upping our tempo on the net to counteract this agenda. Nice sweet tasting lollies wrapped and marketed beautifully containing a little, nasty poison, nice smiling politicians kissing babies, nice friendly smiling banking commercials with banksters shaking hands with duped innocent lambs to the slaughter, etc. We are drowning in niceness all around. We are being destroyed by niceness. It only takes one lie/liar to do all the damage. David can be very charming but it is the charm of the snake charmer.

An immune system compromised is a very sick MAN. True love is strong and stands up to harm. True love does not "accept" harm and excuse it as being "not my reality". True love does not back down until harm has been completely dissolved.

The Cristian Family November 2006

Transition

We live to create freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance......etc in the lives of everyone around us so that we can have it too......... and in service/reverence for MAN/Earth/Nature, with everyone in their unique original ways living for the virtues (co-creation) of MANS love as that service in everyday practice, then we all live in paradise. This is very different to living for my freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, for my land, my food, my truth, my money, my, my, my, mine, mine, mine, own, own, own, "i", "i", "i", etc, and forming an eco village/community around this self-centred attitude is no different to how everyone lives in "The System" today. All else is a distraction stopping us from creating this. The reaction to trauma is this distraction that stops us. In everyday "System Life", there are millions of distractions showing up as story-telling. This is brilliantly executed/implemented by the Freemasonic/Satanic-world and almost everyone is asleep to it.

We feel there is an essential peaceful do no harm transition required to get all of MAN back to standing on MANS feet without reliance upon another MAN for water, food, shelter. As it stands everyone in "The System" are highly dependent and reliant on the "group mind-set" that forms "The System" of slaves providing services and benefits for the emotionally addicted slaves to "The System" (and you can put us in the same basket too). The transition is to get MAN back to relying ONLY on nature without 3rd party interlopers, intermeddlers, interceders getting in the way. The transition is a team effort with the foresight for setting all of MAN free down-the-line so that MAN is no longer dependent on slaves and masters providing services, benefits, privileges and exclusivity while being bound to contracts, rituals, procedures, conditions, rules & regulations which compromise MAN severely. This transition is all about shifting from limited liability/responsibility to full liability/responsibility. This full responsibility is all about caring for our health, nature all around us, clean uncorrupted (pure) water and food, partner/co-creator, children, shelter, animal-friends in partnership, etc. In "The System", we are already together destroying each other - we have to come together to create peace together so that we can all have peace. We cannot live peacefully when we are islands, not taking full responsibility for the lives of those around us until EVERYONE can take full responsibility for their life, which means that EVERYONE is healed of system trauma. In "The System", we all come together to make slaves of each other - now is the moment to come together to set each other free, to live for each other's freedom, peace, joy and abundance. Once we have set each other free, we are free.

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

"The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

The Cristian Family November 2006

No System Required

When we FULLY reconnect with our SENSES we already have a natural "social" way of life requiring NO SYSTEM, no man-made social-engineering, no education, no being under another MANS IMAGE-POWER. This insight goes right over most people heads as they find it almost impossible to comprehend because all they have ever known is chaos (trauma) and enslavement to that chaos (trauma). We are fighting for something we already are and already have. All that is required is that we give up "The System" of trauma. Let go, let go, let go of trauma (non-sense) and work with our SENSES. DO WE HAVE TO JUMP 10 FEET ACROSS A ROOM TO GRAB OUR NEXT BREATH? Of course not, we already have everything we need and so much more. Refer to the TRAUMA, SYSTEM LIFE & Govern-MEN-t http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8428 (above) as behind all this chaos is TRAUMA causing us to react to "chaos" with "social-engineered "order".

Most of us are still locked in non-sense, unable to sense the intentions coming from another and this clearly demonstrates why such a vast and terrible breakdown in communication occurred between those of "civilisation" (social-engineering) recording those not of "civilisation" (tribes of MAN on land). This problem continues on between us all trying to sense each others intentions while using a non-sense language to communicate with each other.

The conditioning behind words like "social" are extremely misleading. "System" words like "social" are mostly identified with hierarchical structures and other man-made IMAGE-POWER forms of order. The more we look into nature the more we are meeting men and women coming forward sharing information past down from their ancestors pre "The System" invasion. We are also discovering facts such as the Portuguese introducing the caste "system" into the lands we now call "India" somewhere around the mid 1400's/1600's and that before the caste system was introduced there were ONLY tribes/families of MAN spread out for thousands of kilometres.

When we learn to disregard what "The System" his-story/her-story tells us how to think and feel and act about our history we learn to reconnect with our ancestral ways/roots that have nothing to do with "The System" his-story/her-story of the "dark ages" or "cave man" or Neanderthal man" or "wars" or "evolution" or "carbon dating/time" or the misleading wonders of "ancient civilisations", etc, etc.

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Maze Of Language

Basically, all this Freemasonic/Satanic recorded history in any read and write alphabet language is severely compromised. Let's face it, were any of us present, that we remember, during the vast majority of their his-story? Can the writers of the his-story bring forward some first parties to back their stories? "Social systems is a system construct. It is when we learn to re-connect with the information of our ancestors that would have been passed down by word of mouth, through tribal tongues rather than read-and-write alphabet languages, probably through song, that we can learn the truth about how our ancestors lived. "The System" doesn't want us to remember this so it is highly unlikely that they put any of it in their his-story!

Also, the way Aboriginal "languages" were translated would have been way off the mark because they did not have the same constructs and concepts in the way they lived as those translating their communication would have been brainwashed into. How can the language of one way of life describe a completely different way of life. This is also why it is sometimes hard to describe our true capabilities and the way we sense we can live as free MAN on the land when all we have to communicate with is the dead language of"The System". Dead language because, when we use it, we are not using our senses. Instead, we are lost to non-sense when there is no sense. How do we describe what we sense with the language of non-sense? No doubt this is why there are so many "misunderstandings" between us. We end up in non-sensory story telling, repeating what others have told us.

When we are using our SENSES we are consciously connected with all of life as WHOLENESS - there is no separation causing "chaos" requiring "social engineered system glues" to bind us all together into a contrived "order", which is ALL about being under the IMAGE-POWER of another MAN.

For us, the answer is NO system, and everyone taking full responsibility for their lives - as you say, we are capable of creating what we need for abundant, truly free lives. However, we had a look at Trivium Education - we can clearly tell its flawed on many, many fronts. We use scrutiny to rout out all forms of NON-SENSE/SENSORY images/imagery so that all that is left standing is SENSE/SENSORY images. We go where the logic of truth/sense takes us - we never argue for any belief, faith or associated opinion, all of which are rooted in NON-SENSE. We have been working at unravelling all the BS and spells of "The System" since 2006. All alphabet languages are constructed out of mathematics which is derived from geometry/sacred-geometry. All three are abominations derived from black-magic and are cleverly crafted to trap the duped into fallen "states" of NON-SENSE (unconsciousness/death-to-sense).

This wonderland is designed brilliantly, cleverly trapping victims into living contrived lives that are fictionalised story-telling performances where they continue setting into motion non-sensory images that they believe are true but which will never lead them to truth and to stepping out of this man-made matrix. We see this all through the freedom truth movement. Here is a link http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8369 where you can find our videos and articles, etc, that explain all this and so much more in greater detail, if you are interested in putting the work in. An interesting debate is the one with Raymond Karczewski http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414 which gets very intense and we get what you mean about attacks for just disagreeing with people! We are committed to creating Do No Harm communities that are not of "The System" but are all about living as MAN co-creating with nature that we are. Everything we need is already provided for us. We created a food forest video in February this year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A which touches on some of the vision of Do No Harm communities.

Trauma + System Life + GovernMENt +
True Purpose Behind Chemtrails And HAARP

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
1st June 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8428

The Cristian Family November 2006

Too Many Chiefs And Indians

The fact is, not withstanding all the brainwashing and damage under the image power of another man's version of system life, and we think that most reading here would agree with this, we already are living creator (god- chief), we are already gifted in God's/living creator's (Chief's) likeness/image and have everything we need to create the lives we dream of and take full responsibility for our lives and for creating paradise for all to experience. We don't need leaders and followers, chiefs and indians. We are all chiefs and, if we are taking full responsibility for our lives and our tribes, we are all indians too. Can you comprehend that a true chief has never been under another MAN, has never been "educated" or forced under the image power of another MAN? This is at the heart of paradise.

The problem we keep seeing, is that everybody is trying to make indians out of chiefs and chiefs out of indians, to have others be under their image power, which is what "The System" is all about. This is what we have to work on - not sabotaging each other's uniqueness/originality, meaning we are not undermining the chiefs that we are and making us less than that. We are the true power but we have turned into petty, nitpicking, bickering re-presentations of MAN, none of whom have the guts to stand up and be who we really are as MAN, not reliant on any other MAN or any system, allowing people to be the chief and indian they are without being a slave or a ruler and without interfering while we work together.

Learning not to react or feel insulted or attacked or powerless when others speak what they are thinking and perceiving is part of being MAN healed from trauma. Under the image power of "The System", chiefs have been turned into wimps. They tell us there are 7 billion of us now but hardly any of us are chiefs, not reliant on anything except the life (water, living food, shelter) they are part of. Read "Control The Land And You Control MAN On The Land Displace MAN From Land And You Turn MAN Into Slaves" link posted below.

Most of the 7 billion are in chicken coups, producing eggs for their masters and squawking about their living conditions while not doing anything to take responsibility for their living conditions. Useless food eaters indeed - consumers of materialism and superficiality. Very few are living otherwise.

Paradise is being able to visit chiefs wherever we go, MAN of MAN creating unique lives of no harm, and being able to experience the full glory of the chiefs and how they live. This is very different from visiting Raymond in his caravan, plugged into "The System", surrounded by harm and reliant on slaves and rulers while he claims to be a Christ (chief). The only way we can reach our full chief potential is when we have land to care for where we can take full responsibility for our lives without having to answer to anybody else's expectations (thought control). When you are a chief, you are not under anyone else providing you with everything, you do not need contracts with councils or power companies and you do not need the shops to provide you with food and comforts.

We are not trying to tell people how to live (create) their lives, only pointing out the present pathways of harm that only lead to more harm and more harm and never to paradise. Most people are too lost to create their lives as chiefs because they are too busy following the navigational directories others have written for them. This is image power and Max Igan and One People are just a continuation of that image power.

Raymond, you have said nothing new to us. To us, co-creating paradise is paramount. Taking full-responsibility for that to happen is beneficial for everyone. With us, we live for no system because, once there is no more power and control over land, we all can have access to land to take full responsibility for our lives. There is room for everyone. We have already explained all this over and over and over again so we won't offend the "under 500 words" crowd by repeating it. Info can be found here: "The Spell Is Broken - Taking The Land To Create Kindom" & "The Steps Of Kindom": links provided below.

In reference to this present exchange with Raymond Karczewski & Max Igan here: Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201394869221762 - we replied to Raymond:

You missed out something here Raymond - the creation of our lives as MAN - do you sense them?

It seems you are only interested in promoting the creation of your life, Raymond. What seems to be happening here is that we are surrounded by people wanting us (everyone) to fit into their boxes. We shouldn't write so much is a common complaint - what if we just have a lot to say and try to communicate it as clearly as we can?

Is that a crime?

Is that Satanic mirroring?

And then our replies are knee-jerk, defensive, etc. As we have said over and over, who among you is here with us so they can see us getting angry, reactive, face saving etc? There is already so much stuff around about us, both negative and positive and we are past trying to please everybody. We are not worried what people think. We are not attached to the outcomes. We cannot force others to want to create paradise. We just put information out there so that those who want to can be inspired to find their own unique ways to co-create paradise. Like the sun that shines constantly, we do what we do for a purpose.

But.......sigh....all this has already been said over and over so what can we conclude from that? Either that no one reads what we write and makes the effort to comprehend what we are saying or we are completely oblivious morons with absolutely no idea about who we are. Yes, there are obviously those who would agree with that and that is fine, and maybe some of those people who think we are doing it all wrong and should be doing it according to x, y and z should come and live our lives for us, raise the children for us, walk the dogs, run the hectic household, take care of the gardens, take over the website, write all the articles and posts, answer the phone calls, greet the visitors, wear our clothes, etc, so that they can be sure that everything is done according to their expectations and instructions so then Arthur and Fiona Cristian will fit into the boxes required. Then they might as well dig holes for us and put us in them because there will be no reason for us to have a life anymore.

And no doubt this reply will be written off as knee-jerk, defensive, etc, but actually we are laughing at the absurdity of people who continually want to change who we are so that we act according to their navigational directory of acceptable thought processes and acceptable expression of those thought processes so we don't get "lost" and arrive safely at the destination they have pre-determined for us, something Raymond does again and again. Will the penny drop? And as for attacking Max, we didn't remove the FB friendship, we have no gripe against Max and he is welcome to visit anytime as are Raymond, Brad and all other detractors. Just give us warning so that we can polish the throne and get Arthur dressed in his ceremonial robes, with the collection box alongside (cheques/postal orders made out to Fiona Cristian) and please be extra generous if you would like a personal blessing from Arthur. Only takes about 16 hours to get everything in place.

So yes, we get what you all say, we just don't agree and we will continue to do what we see best as long as we have the energy to do so. Maybe we are wrong about everything we do. Well, if we are, then maybe others will learn from our mistakes and we will still have been useful in showing others what not to do and they will go ahead and create paradise for ALL, showing us the error of our ways as we see nature healed and restored and living MAN once again walking undisturbed through the food forests across Earth.

Let's see if Chief (Christ) Raymond's navigational directory of acceptable thought processes and acceptable expression of those thought processes so we don't get "lost" and arrive safely at the destination Raymond has pre-determined for us, kicks in again.

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201394869221762

Regarding Raymond's Facebook Wall: https://www.facebook.com/raymond.karczewski.9 - To us, what is very clear here is your ongoing attempt to plaster your Facebook wall with more and more lies about us Raymond. It's becoming pathetic. All correspondence we've been experiencing with you since 13th May 2013 is posted here http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414 so that everyone who comes to your Facebook wall can see the bigger picture coming from all sides. We are shortly to complete our final instalment to the exchange we had with Raymond "Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness" and we will post it on Raymond's Wall and here:

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Max Igan & The Fraud Of The OPPT
(One Peoples Public Trust)
Facebook Discussion With Arthur & Fiona Cristian
17th to 19th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8357

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

"The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

The Cristian Family November 2006

A System Remedy Is Not A Remedy

Max Igan sent us this Facebook PM Wednesday 2nd July 2013 16.07pm: "Hopefully this REALITY will give you pause to question your actions before spreading lies, hatred and false information about others in future Arthur... have a nice day brother. :) https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151533809384022&id=1... "

We replied....................................

Max, the issue here is we stand for NO SYSTEM. We will do everything we can to expose and obliterate any idea or concept, sugar coated or not, that supports "The System", a man-made system under any guise. The NWO is "The System" under another guise, it will look something like Star Trek Federation in Nature. The NWO will be brought in by all the "Good Guys" bringing a new "oneness order system" to the present chaos engineered by the "Bad Guys". We know all the trickery going on to give the "duped", the impression that "serfs/commoners" are making headway with the courts of "The System".

Having some mini "slave victories" is allowed by FORCE. If they want covert control to remain in tact, they can't always be seen to be despotic/overt. This is allowed to happen and besides, the FORCE behind "The System" have planned, when it suits them and when they are ready, to cause the present western world system to completely collapse so they can usher in their next "oneness" version of it. As an example of many: One Peoples Public Trust now called One People.........

ONE PEOPLE

ONE SPIRIT

ONE WORLD - World means "The System" - the world is not Earth/Nature.

ONE HUMANKIND - Hue-MAN - a shade/colour/reflection/shadow of MAN - In this case the reflection/image projected by a MAN upon another MAN is "oneness". The intention is to trap a MAN under another MANS image-power/spell which happens when a MAN believes in the "story-telling" (spells) of "oneness". This is blatant social engineering.

MANKIND/HUMANKIND - means a kind of MAN as in monster, monstrosity, distorted, brainwashed, idiot, fool, robot, clone, drone, slave, etc. We are MAN, all unique and original, not one the same as the next. Mankind/Humankind re-presents a shattered reality.

ONENESS means SAMENESS as in Communism and Socialism - The correct word to use here instead of one/oneness is WHOLE/WHOLENESS (meaning: NO SYSTEM) which recognises the uniqueness and originality of all of MAN without conformity to social engineering which "oneness" (sameness) is all about.

"One" is lineal, has a beginning and an end (finite), therefore is trauma based (explained further down), is a lie, believers commit fraud when they claim "one"/"oneness" is true. "One" is projected, based, imagined in/from the past and in/from the future (explained further down). "One" does not exist, is non-sensory, meaning you can't sense "one", you can only fantasise "one" because "one" is not present with the presence of life embodied in its image to sense (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) it. Thanks to trauma, "One"/"Oneness" re-presents a shattered reality.

Note: Children brought up in the "wild" by "wild dogs", etc ("The System" brainwashing calls them "wild animals" in the "wild" of nature as in dark, scary, hostile, not safe environment), who are discovered and brought back to "The System" (civilisation) do not recognise the reflection of themselves in the mirror. These reflections are seen in "3rd person" and until "The System" brainwashing sets in they always communicate in 3rd person This is exactly what we would all do if we were truly conscious (not brainwashed) because there is no 1st or 3rd person. All is WHOLE. However, from "The System" side of looking through the window of our extensive repetitive, pounding, brainwashing we see everything of 3rd person as 1st person, i.e, "name" on birth certificate, drivers license, "one"/"oneness", etc, believing these reflections is who we really are when in fact these reflections are not who we really are. Someone else trained us to think, feel and act in this way. Again, recently a Russian girl, around 11 years of age was discovered. She was brought up by dogs from around age 3. She did not recognise her "i" (eye) in the mirror and communicated in 3rd person. If she was with her family of MAN living in the "wilds" and raised by tribal-MAN all around her and without "The System" brainwashing she would be a living WHOLE example of conscious-living-MAN on land in present-sense. Currently, for those of us really waking up, it may appear to the brainwashed that we are talking in 3rd person about Nature, Earth, MAN, Life, but when we are using our senses we sense/see, in present-sense, that we are air, water, leaves, trees, birds, wind, sunlight, rain, dogs, mountains, river, Earth, Nature, Life, etc, etc.... The first party/person "i","i", "i", "mine", "mine", "mine", "own", "own", "own", "one", "one", "one", etc, (shattered reality), does not exist and without it there is no 3rd person ("i"/"one")) either because we are already WHOLE, meaning we are already the unique and original of that WHOLENESS.

See this article but remember it is written by the brainwashed and references everyone brainwashed called "experts", "scientists", etc... Always use your senses and go where the logic of truth takes you that are the insightful jewels found amongst the voluminous garbage of non-sensory images. Always be on the look out for non-sensory/non-sense images and rout them all out because they are trauma based, are lies, and are blatant "story telling" made up by other men and women telling us how to think, feel and act = IMAGE POWER.

http://www.ranprieur.com/readings/wildthings.html

All these "successes" that you are seeing, and will continue to see, are part of the orchestrated plan, the blueprint, the agenda. Many of these victories, with a vast majority still to come, require a team effort of actors (judges, barristers, lawyers, politicians, priests, experts, plants portrayed as heroes, etc, etc), all in on the scam to dupe the people into believing, now and down-the-line, that the "bad guys" world is collapsing and the "Good Guys" are winning. Unless we keep waking the people up, the duped will not see/sense they have been had, got-at & set-up. They will not see/sense how they have been deceived into accepting "THE SYSTEM" GLUE of "oneness" binding them all together as "one people", "one spirit", "one consciousness", "one system", etc, etc.

This is not the first time those of "The System" have collapsed one version of "The System" and brought in another version (the phoenix rising out of the ashes - order out of chaos). They need to have the "bad guys" exposed by the "good guys" (hello Heather) so that we all start looking around for something better but very few wake up to the fact that the "something better" is just the next version of "The System" the duped are blindly being led into, with the same image-power-based families behind the scenes, the heads of the Star Trek "Federation in Nature".

We all know that they cannot use overt means to keep us under control. There are too many of us and they would have to be in constant struggle against us because we would rebel. So they use covert means to guide us into submission through propaganda that plays on our trauma, causing enough reaction in us to keep us malleable and enslaved. The marketing campaign for their 1000 year Golden Reign is obviously not going to come about with overt displays of force. Far easier to get us wanting, asking and longing for their 1000 year Golden reign. It's not as if the Knight's Templars have not already done this many times before, coming out as the heroes to rescue us from slavery, tyranny and oppression.

We don't see anything here that has not been done before with different processes. There are many "successes" in all areas of protest using law. Why? Apart from occasions where magistrates, etc, are just not good enough to think fast on their feet and deal with clever men and women who have done their homework, when we have and see successes, we are encouraged and think we are on to something and keep investing more and more of our energy into our processes which means more and more of our energy into "The System". Do you think they care?????? So long as we are still putting our energy into "The System", they are happy because it is our energy that keeps "The System" going. We have already explained this to you in great detail. They do not care how much we protest and argue just so long as we keep using their information, sleeping in their houses and using their private corporations. Which is what everyone involved in One People is doing. They are all still plugged in.

We could start bragging about the many successes Arthur has had against "The System", some involving $300k to others where tens of thousands of dollars were spent trying to get Arthur (and Fiona) to pay the SDRO a measly amount of $$, but these victories are still not a remedy that gets everyone out of "The System". With the method that Arthur has developed over the last couple of years, NO PAPERWORK is required. He is strong and smart enough to blow them all out of the water really fast. Recently, even the SDRO have sent him a letter offering Arthur to take back his drivers licence... LOL... all this after trying everything to con Arthur (and Fiona) into contracting with them. Refer to Letter Received From Roads & Maritime Services Offering Arthur Cristian His Drivers License Back - LOL - 11th June 2013: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8450 - If it wasn't for the children and the 4 assassination attempts, Arthur would be journeying on the road without plates, licence or anything and they would have to kill him to stop him, but, at present, the family does not have the support it needs for him to do this without leaving them vulnerable. And even then, being a Ned Kelly is not a remedy, which is why we prefer to focus on what we can do to bring about remedy as soon as possible.

Why no system? Because when you peel back all the layers, the dark heart of "The System" is all about trauma; trauma is behind everything of "The System", even the "good" bits. There is nothing in "The System" that can help us return to lives as conscious MAN on the land or help us create freedom, truth, joy, etc, for ALL, not just those who can do the paperwork. "The System" is all about greed and selfishness - it is what we are indoctrinated into and it is only by turning our backs on EVERYTHING of "The System" that we can remember who we are and begin the de-programming.
A lot of our Love For Life work is about exposing all the tricks of those behind "The System" so that we don't all follow along blindly down their Yellow Brick Road.

We were all once tribes of MAN on land, living with NO SYSTEM. This is where we have to return if we want true freedom, freedom from trauma. As you can see if you are willing, Max, what's going on with One People is only showing us who is taking the first steps down the Yellow Brick Road, who is still caught up in the codes, squiggles and digits, in the past and the future of System Life.

You said, "Hopefully this REALITY will give you pause to question your actions before spreading lies, hatred and false information about others in future Arthur... have a nice day brother."

What we are doing, Max, is exposing everybody who wants the system in any guise because anything to do with "The System" is lies, deception, hatred and false information and all of it is trauma based. This is why we live for no system. You have yet to say that you live for no system. Everyone who is connected to this deception will want "The System". Can you let everyone know where you stand on this, Max?

For more on trauma refer below.

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian

Taken from this post:

"The System" & Everything Of It
IS Rooted In TRAUMA
Our Conditioned Reactions To TRAUMA
Is What Constructs "The System"

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
1st July 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8449

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Max Igan replied again Wednesday 3rd July 2013 00:59

"Arthur, referencing yourself to "elucidate" on what you say is the height of egotism and not one single thing in the essay I skimmed over that you posted above justifies the lies, the hatred and the falsehoods you so readily created about me... you need to wake up because all you are doing is perpetuating division... I would never post hatred of another.... and even with the lies you posted about me (having never met me) I never even responded, because I have more respect for life than that.... in fact your own actions speak volumes about the you that you will not face... but anyway... the oppt did what it was supposed to do... it provided to tools for those who choose to step away from the system, to do so... the thing that has stopped more people doing so, are people like you who have a vested interest in maintaining the fight and the fiction for their own agendas ....people like you ARE the system...

and arthur, in order to create a kin domain, you need to first free the people of earth... and buying into your property in the mistaken and fictional belief that one can actually own part of the earth is simply stupid and circumvents the REAL issue completely... wake up brother

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Arthur Cristian

These words "hatred", "lies", "egotism", "falsehoods", "division", etc, are just claims made up by you MAX. They are all lies. All you are attempting to do is create a controversy where there isn't one. You are trying to kidnap/hijack our characters so that you can impersonate them, claiming these claims are our intentions, coming from us, when in fact they are your claims (lies), you made them all up. You seem to really enjoy practising black magic as in remote viewing, remote control and remote projection. Are you psychic Max? Do you have a third eye? Our conscience is very clear. When it comes to your claims, we have nothing to be concerned about.

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Arthur Cristian

Max said "and arthur, in order to create a kin domain, you need to first free the people of earth... and buying into your property in the mistaken and fictional belief that one can actually own part of the earth is simply stupid and circumvents the REAL issue completely... wake up brother".

We never made such claims Max. These are not our intentions. They are not the path you claim we are traversing.

01:12

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Max Igan sent another PM

they are not "claims I made up" arthur they are an obsevation of your actions and the lies, hatred and false information you created and posted about me... people like you and the bullshit and hatred you peddle are a HUGE part of the problem because your own actions show you have a heart as black as coal

anyway, Im not interested in any long discorse with you as you are way too narcissistic to ever truly see the obvious. I just wanted to demonstrate how utterly wrong you were and how the OPPT's UCC filings have actually been helping people. I dont hold any hatred, jealously or anymosity towards you, as you do towards me and as you have amply demonstrated with your hate videos and disinformation campaigns and wish you well. ... I just wish you would wake up and start working for positive change rather than helping perpetuate division to serve your own agenda.

Don't bother replying as I have no interest in conversing with you past this point unless you happen to wake up from the illusion you are living in

Wednesday 3rd July 2013 11:13

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Arthur Cristian

Then you are saying (claiming) you have lived with us, have had private, 1st party to 1st party dealings (direct experience) with us on an ongoing basis to know from direct experience who we really are? What you have posted here, these images, are of your own making Max and we don't buy into them. They live ONLY with you, there maker.

11:14

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Max Igan

no, Im basing my opinion of you on the unwarranted lies, hatred and false information you have spread about me without knowing one single thing about me... and just think Arthur, we could have been friends, however you chose the path of lies, anymosity and self promotion at the expense of others... pity

13:14

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Max Igan replied (after he received the posts on Trauma, System Life & Govern-MEN-t) from us.

lol... another essay referencing yourself to back up what you claim?... lol...damn you have to be the most self absorbed person on this planet Arthur...
yeah trauma is trauma ...and false information and lies directed at another to serve a personal agenda, is false information and lies directed at another to serve a personal agenda... and you sir are a nasrcissitic idiot

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Arthur Cristian

This is Fiona here Max with Arthur. Why are you so keen for a fight? You do not have to like what we say. We have no problem with that. Why don't you go and do some more One People promotion, as that seems to be the way you see to create paradise for all without leaders and followers? Unless you do not want paradise for all.

15:34

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Max Igan

Well Fiona, I think you should be asking yourselves those questions as Im not the one who posted lies, hatred and disinformation about a fellow researcher,... that was you.. it was you who decided to start the fight.... from this message, you are obviously just as sarcisstic, just as bent on division and the perpetuation of the system to serve your own agenda, and just as bent on establishing your cult and as quite obviously just as black hearted as Arthur

over and out

16:14

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Arthur Cristian

All lies are a curse - all liars are cursed - with us the makers of curses/lies are forced to process and amplify them exclusively with no way out until they make whole with those they intended to harm or have harmed.

16:27

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Max Igan

then, as you have clearly stated, you are cursed
goodbye

16:31

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Arthur Cristian

Then you have nothing to be concerned about.

3 July at 18:03

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Thought Of A Christ Is Not A Christ

Raymond, we would never claim that we are fully conscious MAN, free from the influence of the brainwashing of "The System", thinking unique thoughts inspired by the dream of life. This is the case for the vast majority of us across Earth; we are still compromised and still under the influence of our conditioning as we wake up to what we have allowed to happen to who we are. As many of us are realising more and more, all our thoughts of awakening, and our discussions and debates about our awakening, while helping us get clearer about truth and what our awakening means, are not the same as living as awakened, fully conscious MAN.

All of us involved in these discussions, whether actively or just through reading, are still plugged into "The System", still relying on it to provide for us in many areas. If we were fully conscious MAN, we would be communicating with each other through our senses rather than through satanic alphabet languages, equipment, services, materials and consumer products. If we were fully conscious MAN, we would no longer be plugged into "The System".

So where does this leave you, Raymond?

You claim to be a Christ, but in present-sense you are not living the life of a Christ. A Christ is what we call a fully conscious MAN setting the life of that consciousness in motion so that the presence of this consciousness (Christ) is present in present-sense. As you have said before, "The thought of God is not God". Well, the thought of a Christ is not a Christ, either. We cannot be Christs while we are still plugged into "The System", still supporting "The System" and especially while we are calling for a "better" system. A true Christ does not need a man-made system. At present, you do, Raymond.

A true Christ senses his/her brothers and sisters of life and feels their intentions, senses their lives in present-sense, whether agreeing with them or not. Under these present circumstances, when your brothers and sisters come to you via the internet, etc, Raymond, they are met by your mirror that is the conversation (thoughts) going on ONLY between your ears that they have to enter into to converse with you. With us, you try to trap who we really are in the mirror of your making that is constructed ONLY out of your thoughts.

Your mirror is not "another level of consciousness"; it is just constructed from your thoughts and you refuse to see anybody except through the thoughts of your mirror. You are trying to embed who we are in your mirror which makes you trapped in the mirror of your own thoughts. This is an example of the Satanic trap that binds MANS' lives to it. When you converse with us through your mirror, you are setting the boundaries for our interaction, bringing us into your conversation. This is Satanic ruled consciousness. Your mirror is a claim of your making that goes against everything you are saying. It is intellectual and limited in scope. Repeat, ONLY your thoughts of us are in the mirror of your own making.

Our challenge is how to learn to live with each others differences by becoming more empathetic and learning to sense each others intentions. When we sense each others intentions we are now outside the power and control structure of an individual (in-divide-u-all) satanic ruled intellect.

Our challenge is to learn how to set into motion ideas that change the way we live so that we stop causing so much harm to who we are. You are still trapped in the idea of being a Christ still plugged into "The System" and criticising us for setting into motion the idea of living without a system of harm. We cannot "be in this world but not of it". While you are living in "The System" you are of "The System" because your life energy is still maintaining and perpetuating "The System". While you are still plugged in to "The System", you are feeding "The System". While you continue being plugged into "The System", presently via your caravan, it is clear that you are both of "The System" and in "The System".

It is not just ideas that are responsible for hell on Earth. Ideas are just ideas. It is MAN setting those ideas into motion (giving these images LIFE) and maintaining and perpetuating them that is fully-responsible for hell ("The System") on Earth and we are fully-responsible for creating Paradise on Earth if we choose to. We cannot escape thought. Everything is a thought in a thought; it is the choices we make about what thoughts to give life to (set into motion) that determine our lives. The fabric of the dream of life is a thought of many thoughts all threaded together by the thread of life MAN/Living-Creator set into motion. It is MAN weaving the fabric of life. DNA is the thread of MANS thought being set into motion (given LIFE) by MAN.

Imagine that you had 100 photos in front of you. You pick them up, one after another, looking at the images and putting them back down again. Then you pick up one that appeals to you. Instead of putting it back down, you pore over it, taking every detail, thinking about what you see. Now, if the image you see really affects you, you may decide to give life to it by creating that image in your life. It could be a picture of far off countries that inspires you to save up your money and go travelling, it could be a beautiful house that gives you ideas for redecorating your home, it could be a photo of a sports star that gets you out of bed in the mornings to get fit, or it could be a baby gorilla orphaned by poachers that has you pack up and volunteer with a rescue organisation. Or it could be an image of a sustainable, living home surrounded by a food forest with no signs of any harm to life that has you begin to withdraw from "The System" back to a life as fully conscious MAN. The images we choose to give life to (set into motion) become the world (LIFE) we live in.

Yes, ideas are fantasies (reflections) and your mirror is an idea, a fantasy, reflection of your own making, a dualistic (duel-i-stick-c) idea that you try to trap people in. Your mirror is of the intellect of your reflection so how can it reveal truth if truth only comes when the intellect is silenced. In your case, how can it be silenced when it still bounces to and fro between your ears as a reflection of your own projection?

We all have our unique thoughts, that are "private", more or less (to us, what "private" really means is that we each have, or were supposed to have had, unique original thoughts of our making, of our dreaming, of our dream-time, stimulated and inspired by the sensations of Nature/Earth/Life/MAN that is the dream of life all around us). It is when we try to impose our thoughts (dreaming) on others (MAN), to capture them (MAN) in the reflections of our thought projections by claiming that we know more about them than they do because of our thoughts about them, that it all goes wrong. What we are now describing IS the artificial DNA that weaves the non-sensory-fabric that is "The System" and this is how we create drones and robots.

How can we know the true intentions of others when we cannot hear them above the noise of all the reflections of our thoughts? When we use our senses, we can communicate with someone from another culture who does not share our alphabet language because we sense their intentions and use sign language, etc. We do not need to trap them in our alphabet language reflections which is what we all do to each other through English and other Satanic engineered alphabet languages.

You talk about the resurrection of the "spirit of divine awareness"? What are the practical steps for setting this "spirit of divine awareness" into motion in our everyday lives? Isn't it all about empathy, compassion and sensing the intentions of others so that we learn to live without doing harm to others, without trapping others in the reflections (mirror) of our thought projections (dreaming)?

To us, it is clearly obvious that honouring, protecting, encouraging, inspiring, nurturing, supporting, etc, (all the virtues of love) the uniqueness and originality of MANS dreaming is paramount, that every MAN needs to have that creative "space" of love to dream their unique lives into motion. To us, this is the practice of the "spirit of divine awareness" in everyday, practical, doable sense. If all our ancestors were not trapped in the reflections (intellectual thought control) coming from other men and women manipulating and interfering through their enFORCED projections of how we should be thinking, feeling, doing, living, etc, their descendants, us, would still be living in Paradise. But that ain't the case, we're currently too busy being distracted, entertained, compromised and trapped in "The System" that was given birth by another MAN'S dreaming.

The photo you have chosen to give life to, Raymond, is the photo of you in your caravan, keeping everyone at arms length with your mirror, talking about setting into motion a new govern-MEN-t, a new system. How does this stop the harm? Along the way, we have examined many, many photos and the one we keep coming back to is the photo of Kindom because it is the only one that we have come across that puts an end to the harm, an end to the dualistic lies through the living demonstration of non-dualistic truth.

This is what we are about, Raymond, but, like everyone else, we are compromised and still reliant on the dual(duel)-istic system. We would love to stop duelling, to learn to live together without harm, without fighting and bloodshed, to inspire enough people to take full-responsibility to stop setting the images of harm (dreams of another MAN) into motion, to put down the photos of harm and pick up the ones that heal the damage. You do not say you want to do harm but neither do you say you want to live with no harm.

Your mirror is a dual/duel because you claim it is non-dualistic but then you insist on putting other men and women into it, without their permission. Why don't you just keep your mirror for you rather than imposing it on others? This is a dual/duel; why are we in your mirror? Why can't you see/sense who we really are outside your mirror? Leave us outside your mirror and recognise us for who we are, just as we do for you. This is the "spirit of divine resurrection" in process, the intellect silenced, the "dual/duel", the power struggle, gone. Why are you "arguing over every jot and tittle"?

Your release from hell comes when you give up your mirror (with your CHRIST in it) and honour the uniqueness and originality of another MAN.

You talk about giving up the lies but you are still living a lie. Your caravan is a lie and your use of "The System" is a lie and your support of the continuation of slavery through a new, "better" govern-MEN-t is a lie. Your caravan and other trappings of "The System" are the "cultural clutter" that you surround yourself with. Getting out of "The System", i.e., co-creating Kindoms, is getting "beyond the influence of Satanic thought". You are still holding up the photo of "The System" and giving it your life. Why don't you put that photo down and give life to the idea of the living Christ that you are (that we all are), free from the influence of Satanic thought and free from doing harm?

A Christ is a conscious, living MAN who does not put another MAN under the images of his thought; why then are you putting us in your mirror under the labels of face-saving, paranoid, disturbed, etc? Can we bring out the Arthur and Fiona from your mirror and find out from them whether they are face-saving, paranoid and disturbed? This is the illusion you are creating in your mirror. It is only your thoughts of us that are in your mirror, not us or our thoughts of us. You, with the shield of your mirror, are unable to discern (sense) who we really are.

You claim that the reflection in your mirror is truth. Can we hear that from the reflection? Can we hear from the reflection of Arthur and Fiona that it is truth and that Raymond knows our intentions (our dreaming) all the while he disregards our intentions? Are you practising black-magic remote projection, remote viewing, remote control? Here in "Bowral", "NSW", "Australia", are you in the room with us while we struggle to "save face"?

We are the living, Raymond. In present-sense, we are MAN that is Living-Creator (God) that is the resurrection of the divine spirit of truth, just as you are. MAN is the living truth that is always with you. However, the thoughts of Arthur & Fiona Cristian that you have, are just thoughts. We are not trying to put you in a mirror, we are not labelling you and your responses. We honour both the living-MAN(creator), Raymond, and the work he does, at the same time as pointing out that we do not see a remedy in it. When you sense us, you are sensing the presence (LIFE) of the living MAN (creator) present to you in present-sense. Your thoughts of us are not in the picture, are not involved. There is no mirror here. But when you create a mirror, it is of your thoughts; we (the living) are not there.

You perceive that things are wrong and explain your perceptions very clearly but you are not prepared to do anything to change the disturbed, traumatised, natural environment around you. When are you going to give life to your perceptions? If you want to bring heaven on Earth, can we come and see how you are living it as a shining inspiration for others? When are you going to give life to your work (set thoughts into motion) so that everything around you (LIFE) changes?

We have seen the illusion of the photo we have been holding and how compromised that image makes us. We want to pick up another photo that shows MAN living in nature, out of the grip of "The System", taking full responsibility for our lives, no longer educated slaves. The Satanists don't want us to walk away because without us, they have nothing. You say truth is beyond the limited scope of the Satanic intellect. We agree. So let's start putting into place the way of life that gets us there.

26th June 2013

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Note: The thread of this debate on Nigel Beckwith's Facebook wall is posted in its entirety within another lengthy debate we've been having with Raymond Karczewski. See:

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

A final instalment to this debate (Part 2 & Part 3) will be coming from us shortly, hopefully later this week. Reading this debate fills in the details of the bigger picture we see/sense and touched on in this post.

The Cristian Family November 2006

Raymond Karczewski Posted This Comment
In A Debate On Nigel Beckwith's Facebook wall:

Link: https://www.facebook.com/nigel.beckwith/posts/10200170425611396?comment_...

16th June 2013 8.54am

nb = Nigel Beckwith
rk = Raymond Karczewski

nb: "It may not be popular, but the truth is, we have to work hard together with Ego under control if we are to make a difference in this world. That is the only way."

rk: < It is impossible to change anyone else but yourselves. Therefore it is impossible to change the world ruled by thought. That is the satanic trap which binds men's souls. It is that enslavement to satanic thought which is demonstrated when men argue with one another about the validity of their images and illusions, ghostly spectres which captivate their conditioned ego driven intellects. One must step out of such satanic ruled consciousness to "be in this world but not of it." Speak only Truth and you shall be seen as an enemy of the Civilized World.

nb: > We are always influencing each other Raymond. It happens all the time. The reason the Satanic world works like clockwork..for them is because they DO work together. Just what do you expect to happen? When we change ourselves do we change our surroundings? I mean be clear and say how you expect to get out of this trap? Looking after No 1? Or trying to raise your own consciousness, and then that of those who have ears to hear?

rk: Nigel, your focus is intellectual therefore limited in scope. A hundred people working together based on an ideal, is not any different from One whose life is lived on an ideal. Ideals are satanic illusions. All Ideas are fantasies, be they positive or negative. They are dualistic mechanisms which make for division, conflict, violence, power. It is responsible for Hell on Earth --NO EXCEPTIONS.

rk: The release from such hell comes only with the resurrection of the Spirit of Divine Awareness, Truth, once the intellect is silenced. Why continue with all this nonsense of arguing over every "jot and tittle." when all you have to do is mirror the dualistic lie with nondualistic Truth.

rk: Here is how you change yourself and therefore your world. From this moment forward until the moment of your death, NEVER TELL ANOTHER LIE. Not a Black lie, nor a White lie. Nor a lie of ommission. Nor do you support any lie. You BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT LIES. Do that, and you are FREE, BEYOND THE INFLUENCE OF SATANIC THOUGHT.

rk: When the lie is not, the illusion is not -- TRUTH IS. I assure you, that YOU WILL RAISE HELL WITH THE WORLD AROUND YOU. Have you not seen that clearly demonstrated in damned near, just about all of my relationships with others on the Internet? Why is that? We use the same language, don't we, the same words, yet my energy disturbs their status quo of belief padded cubbyhole in hell, does it not?

rk: You see, Nigel, and all others reading this, the Lie, is the basis of the Civilized world, ruled by a Satanic thought-based Intellect.

rk: I acknowledge that is is a given that we must use Intellect to solve technical problems and to communicate through language with other intellects, but it is only the Christ, the simple man/woman of Truth who is master of his/her own Intellect, while all others remain slaves to their satanic, dualistic, opposing, outer directed/conditioned intellects -- the computer-like instrument which makes up their CULTURAL view of the world.

rk: You've heard the adage, "You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear." Nor can you or anyone else make a Master out of a Slave.
Such transition comes only when the lie is seen for what it is and falls away only to reveal what has been previously hidden from view by all the cultural clutter -- TRUTH.

rk: Truth is unassailable, invulnerable to harm from attacks by Illusion. It just pisses pompous satanists off when their illusions are reflected back to them by the simple "Mirror of Truth". That is the only change that can come about in a relationship between the mass mind of satanic illusion and a simple man in resonance with holistic Truth.

rk: Many view me as a pompous "knowitall" In their conditioned, complexity, but ignorant-ridden state of dualistic confusion, they are incapable of discerning the simple, nondualistic energy of a man of Truth.

rk: The satanic ruled intellect must be silenced for the Resurrection of the Divine Spirit of Truth, God to reveal itself. Truth, God is always with you, but has allowed Satan, the "petty god of Intellect" to seduce you away from it with promises of Illusions which are fleeting at best when one comes to understand the eternity which is life.

rk: Arthur Cristian, a good man, stands proudly when he demands first party proof of Truth that cannot be proven but remains self-evident to the spiritually sensitive, the spiritually sighted. Arthur stubbornly remains at the intellectual level of the "Idea of Truth," a mechanical, dead concept which he shares with lawyers, other wordmeisters, and manipulators of such images which can and is indeed, subject to proof. Truth is well beyond the limited scope of the Satanic Intellect and therefore is immune from the slings and arrows of Illusion.

rk: That is what is meant when a Christ, a Simple Man/Woman of Truth states that he/she "are in this world, but not of it."

rk: Nigel, I hope this clarifies a few things for you.

The Cristian Family November 2006

How Many Visitors

We created 3 OPPT YouTube videos to explain the bigger picture (they are intentionally long-winded), links provided below. A 4th OPPT video was made in March as well and has been sitting in limbo awaiting us to finish a 9 minute piece of music (Pink Floyd like song) that got sabotaged due to faulty new equipment forcing us to re-record the whole project (sigh).

Through gifts received (everything we do is through gifts received) we not only created a food forest garden demonstrating how to grow a vast amount of abundance in small spaces (YouTube link provided below "From Bare Dirt To Abundance" posted Feb 2013) we are also building a professional standard home recording studio to record/produce over 100 inspired songs we've written.

Without being compromised The Love For Life website broke mainstream in mid 2007. A few years ago we were told by a software engineer systems analyst working in the military industrial complex that out of 140 million or so websites up on the net and based on traffic flow the Love For Life website was sitting around position 144,000, which means it's sitting below the 1% mark right up there with the big boys biting their ankles. Another fella around that same time showed us a software method to view traffic occurring on a day to day basis on Arthur's Facebook wall. During a two week period Facebook was saying anywhere between 20 thousand and half a million browsers had visited Arthur's Facebook wall on a daily basis. The ability to monitor this traffic flow was stopped by Facebook not long after we were running this software. We still are not sure if we were being misled/deceived or not by this software.

However, recently we were contacted over the phone by the head of a group of private "freedom-truth" investigators and researchers who told us that over a 4 hour period and from a 100 different locations across Earth, all using different ip addresses, they clicked on the same Love For Life video posted in Arthur's YouTube channel: OPPT And Slavery........ part 1. The head was monitoring the click counter over a 24 hour period and noticed that it had only gone up by three clicks. Including 20 other videos created by others found on different YouTube channels, none related to Arthur's work, all who were posting truth (not compromised) information, they performed the same experiment over and over again during a two week period and found similar click count results. We (Fiona and Arthur) have always sensed there was a problem with YouTube click counters and it was great to have this confirmed by a bunch of strangers who we have never met. We still don't know who they are or where they are from. It's obvious why those behind YouTube are messing with click counters, they don't want the general public to see the popularity of such work spreading and spreading. What a bunch of idiots, as if messing with click counters is going to stop truth from spreading all around or even stop us from continuing. We don't give up, we are relentless in spreading Love For Life work and we don't get concerned about click counts either, we create, release and move on to the next create and release, and then we create and release again and again and again. Whether click counts go up or not does not matter to us, we are not emotionally attached, even if only one MAN watched our videos, this will not shape our attitudes. Through the blowtorch of scrutiny, we always go where truth takes us, we refuse to argue/protect beliefs and statistics. Lets see how beliefs stack up - they always get demolished. Truth does not require belief, faith or associated opinion.

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Hidden Codes

David Icke stayed in our family home for 1 week back in 1996. He knows us just as Jordan Maxwell and so many others out front of the freedom, truth, consciousness awakening, alternative, etc, movements know us. We've corresponded with many of them over the years,mostly instigated by them. Almost ALL of them (thousands of them) are working against all of us. Why and How? Let's chat over Skype/landline or give up heaps of your waking life to dive into Love For Life articles, debates, videos, etc.

During that week, everyday Arthur was around David Icke looking after him, driving him around here and there, Arthur kept having periods of terrible sick gut feelings as if he was going to buckle over and enter into a horrible state of convulsion. He kept thinking something was wrong with him. It was not until 2005 when the court case over the theft of the family home started that we learnt about the secret codes (meanings) of every English alphabet letter. A script analysis was done on David's book "The Truth Shall Set You Free" and BINGO out leaped in every page another language blatantly written in code for those initiated into "seeing" them as in "all seeing" (eye = i). We were shocked and in denial for up to two weeks until we realised what was really going on...... "We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us". We rang David overseas and confronted him about how he knew these codes and why was he (or whoever is writing these books with him or for him) using them throughout his book. He refused to answer, fobbed us off and ignored us until two years or so ago when he wrote to us again. Through email (we keep all correspondence) we again asked him about how he learnt to use these codes? He refused to answer.

The layman who came into our lives back in 2005 to share his 35+ years researching old autobiographies written by archbishops, bishops, etc, during the 1700's/1800's, found that the bibliography sections contained extensive information about the codes (meanings) of the English letters. These books are almost non-existent now. They've almost all been removed. The craft of making the new English alphabet language back in the 1200's was called the "New World Language". This elderly layman also researched very old Thesaurus and Oxford Dictionaries as well. Those terrible sick-gut feelings Arthur was getting around David was just like the "Lost In Space Robot" calling out "Warning Warning Warning Will Robinson",........ it was consciousness through our ancestors in the water of our breath warning Arthur about David. The New World order is being led in by the "Good Guys" who are providing a path-way (cure) to all the chaos caused by the "Bad Guys". The current chaos of harm and terrible corruption, destruction, etc, is not part of the New World Order, it is the remedy to this engineered chaos that is the NWO which really is "The System" under another guise. The "Good Guys" work together behind the scenes with the "Bad Guys". They all come out of the same Freemasonic/Satanic orders, clubs, sects, fraternities, societies, etc.

Things are not what they seem with David Icke (and so many others like Benjamin Fulford, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Kevin Annett, Brian Gerrish, Project Camelot/Avalon, Thrive, Peter Joseph/Zeitgeist, etc, etc).

The Cristian Family November 2006

TRAUMA

By Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

1st June 2013

Trauma needs to be healed sufficiently in all of us so we can continue progressing fearlessly towards our collective do no harm community/paradise on earth objective. What we've been learning through direct experience over these last 8 years is staggering. The depth of trauma is so extensive that hardly any of us know how to live without reaction to trauma, in one form or another, shaping the decision making which forms the outcomes of our lives from sunrise to sunrise. So totally absorbed are we by the trauma of our past and the trauma that we perceive in the future, that we have barely a moment to consider, contemplate on and be conscious of the present, here and now. We are so caught up in the false idols of codes and symbols, in squiggles and digits and fictitious values, that cause us so much reaction, so much stress, that we are incapable of being present as we are swept along in the story telling of those codes, squiggles and digits that may or may not rescue us. The whole of "The System" is trauma based and is a man-made hell. We are not of hell yet we are so compromised by it. We are determined to inspire MAN out of hell so that Earth is again the living paradise it was dreamt to be. Getting MAN out of hell is a huge team effort.

SYSTEM LIFE

If someone hurts us, we feel the trauma of that hurt, of that intention that has been imposed upon us. The trauma that reverberates in us is not of our making. What is of our making, what we do have control over, is our reaction to that trauma. Do we allow it to possess us, living our lives out of it, or do we move on from the trauma, healing our bodies and brains/senses, so that we can let go of the trauma and get on with our lives? The same applies with "System" thought control or the IMAGE-POWER another MAN has over us. Most of us are spellbound by the re-presentation of thoughts, ideas, images made up by other men and women, none of them uniquely created by us, having us trapped in the perpetual reaction of a vicious cycle mirroring the gruesome, pounding repetition of our system education, going over and over and over the constructs and concepts of "The System" in their alphabet languages so that they become habit. But these constructs and concepts are not us - they are the trauma of a SYSTEM LIFE that has been forced upon us, that we are compelled to react to, making us robots as we perform the clockwork of the programming of system life. We are no longer MAN, we are SYSTEM LIFE.

"The System" of men and women who live for and follow its instruction forces trauma upon us but it is up to us how we react to that trauma so then you could call it "trauma created from "within"", the "within" being just the echo of a residual memory of harm. But, the fact is, if a man rapes you, he is forcing trauma upon you, even though you have a choice how to react to this trauma. However, we recognise the wholeness of life and even though each aspect of sensory life, inanimate or not, tiny or not, is unique and original, we sense that there is still no separation of life which means that any trauma forced upon any aspect of life is trauma for all of life that has to be healed by all of life. It is trauma that gives us (MAN) the compelling-emotion of separation, disconnection from life that is Nature/Earth/MAN.

The reaction to harm upon sensory LIFE/MAN causes the illusion of separation as MAN reacts to the effect of trauma upon MANS life. It is this illusion which "The System" is constructed out of........ ALL OF IT IS TRAUMA BASED!

Re-Presenting "intellectual property" that are thoughts, ideas, images, made up by other men and women telling you how to think (react), feel (react) and act (re-act), is clear evidence of the effect of trauma and its purpose designed by the intender.

Where can innocent children, not exposed to "The System" or to anyone exposed to its brainwashing education, go anywhere in nature to learn about trauma, with its illusion of separation, without anyone (MAN) having to explain it to them or force them to experience it?

From our perspective, the best thing we can learn from the damage caused by "The System" is how not to repeat the damage. That is its only real benefit. There is nothing else to learn because all the empathy, compassion, strength, etc, we feel we have learned from the damage are actually qualities we naturally possess but which have been crushed out of us by our SYSTEM LIFE. We are struggling to get back what we already have! Let's create lives for those around us so that they don't have to be crushed. It does help to get off the grinding roundabout of our SYSTEM LIFE stories of pain, suffering and brainwashing because they do not free us.

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

The Cristian Family November 2006

GovernMEN-t


By Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

1st June 2013

When we live for and focus on Govern-Men-t we continue to support the enslavement of MAN under government. When we live for and focus on Kindoms of Food Forests we continue to support the freedom of MAN. It was when MAN left Food Forests of Kindoms that MAN became a slave under government. Food Forests sets MAN free because we are no longer under the Image-Power of another MAN telling us how to think, feel and act.

Each of us provided with the full-responsibility for caretaking of a Food Forest allows us to be unique and original MAN because we have created unique and original thoughts inspired by nature all around us - that is ALL that we know. There is no other MAN educating us to be under their IMAGE-POWER.

What now stands before all of us is the choice of a "SYSTEM to live for; we either live for a man-made system of govern-men-t or we live for a natural system of Food Forest Kindoms. With the choice of government we give up our power to be under limited liability; living on land is now controlled by others dictating to (educating) us how to be a MAN on land, how to think, feel and act as a hue-MAN in their world, under their IMAGE-POWER. We have given up our "rights" to be free - we are no longer unique and original MAN. With the choice of Food Forest Kindoms we live by FULL-Responsibility to do no harm to Food Forests so that we do no harm to MAN living in those Food Forest Kindoms. We live for the co-creation of Food Forest Kindoms that is a team effort of MAN recreating Food Forest Kindoms to set each of us free to live by full-responsibility for everything we think, feel and do.

Kindom is a team effort where the best of land is for the benefit of all of our tribe/Kindom/village/community to enjoy and all other "lesser" land is turned into hectares (2.5 acres is more than enough space of land for each family to take responsibility for - 1/3 for home, 1/3 for gardens of space and 1/3 for a food forest joining all other food forests of their Kindom). With Kindoms, we help each other build our shelters/homes and gardens so that we can all be set free from being under govern-MEN-t forevermore.

For more on Food Forest Kindoms read "The Steps Of Kindom" and "The Spell Is Broken". Links can be found here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8369

All the best
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

The Cristian Family November 2006

A Facebook Post

23rd June 2013

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201336766849239

Andrea Smith said:

"I Don't Think Many People Live Without The System, We Live In A House Or Unit, With Family, We Drive A Car, car insurance, health insurance etc We Pay Taxes. Anyone Who Claims Not To Be In The System Will Not Reply To Any Of This As They Will Not Have Electricity Or A Computer. It Would Be Rare For Someone To Just Leave Everything, Go Bush And Live Off The Land. I'm Sure You Are Still In The System, I Am Still In The System."

We replied..............

Yes, as a severely compromised family we are still in "The System". Even though Arthur no longer has any contracts with "The System" since early 2009, he is still relying on Fiona and others who do. Getting out of "The System" is a very big step, especially as most of us cannot really imagine how that would be!

However, we realise that getting out of "The System" is the only choice for freedom which is why we have been pushing so very hard since 2006 for "The Steps Of Kindom" REMEDY and with it, "The Spell Is Broken".

But nothing will happen unless there is enough of us immensely hungry, determined and FEARLESS to make it happen in present-sense.

Refer to the thread below "Richard Thompson said: "This sounds like the new age un agenda 21 sustainable bullshit and because of that i did not watch it...": https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10201318155743973 with our replies to Brett Anderson who we respect heaps BUT who appears to be like almost everyone else, not hungry or determined enough to do something about it here and now.

The inconveniences that will arise in actually doing something will arise no matter what the circumstances may be when and if we decide to do something in present-sense.

The "God" of APATHY and PASSING-THE-BUCK rules supreme.

Most of us are kept in line through the extensive trauma conditioning we've been hammered with, clearly designed to stop us taking FULL-RESPONSIBILITY to create the essential steps we MUST all take here and now to move away from the grip of fear our "System" masters have had over us and and our ancestors going right back to when they were conquered and broken down into slaves.

The trauma is so all-pervasive and powerful that it has an immense hold over us making us extremely greedy and selfish, driven by the fear of trauma and of the inconveniences of letting go of "The System" and the feeling that we cannot trust others so we have to go it alone, stuck with our private complaints and the ongoing sounds of clanging chains coming from our severely compromised victim status. We have so much fear of letting go of what we claim we "own" in "The System" and the greed and selfishness created by the uncertainty of life and the lack of abundance in "The System", that we need the FORCE of "The System" to provide protection at the cost of everyone else suffering in "The System" which includes the loss of freedom, peace, joy, abundance, etc, that comes as we continue selling each other out all-the-time.

This is all trauma.

But it is only through letting go of our fear and our greed and selfishness that we will find true-freedom.

Greed and selfishness make people go off and buy a piece of land so that they can have "their" freedom but that does not keep "The System" from the door and does nothing to create freedom in the lives of those around them and us. It is only through getting together and confronting those of "The System" when they come knocking that we get them out of our lives. Even better when the FORCE behind "The System" no longer exists to come knocking on our door.

"Community Immunity" through large numbers is what they fear and are powerless against. There is no point in half a million of us going to the city to protest and then going home again, still plugged into "The System". Those of "The System" don't give two hoots about this and, in fact, they orchestrate and control such protests because people feel they are doing something when they are still giving all their energy to "The System". They know that the thought of freedom is not freedom. They know that they can manipulate slaves to exhaust their life-energy at rallies, social-media websites, watching footy, masturbating over sexual images, getting pissed, being entertained by petitions, etc, etc, without ever giving LIFE consistently to the thought of freedom. For slaves, the dream of freedom is just that a dream, a thought, an idea always at arms length. The "spell" and PULL towards compliance and addiction to "The System" is so very strong that slaves are back at work the next day or are falling into regimental lines receiving government hand-outs.

If we want to be free of "The System" we have to change the way we are living. At it's hearts and our hearts, this is what the whole debate we recently had with Raymond Karczewski has been about - the thought of our freedom is not the same as creating and living our freedom.

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

Note: the final instalment to this debate, Parts 2 & 3, will be uploaded ASAP. They go deeply into the background of trauma. To us these posts are a huge eye opener clearly revealing how and why the Freemasonic/Satanic world create trauma and brilliantly use it to trap MAN into enclosures where they can be used as slaves for whole life-times.

We are so compromised that sometimes it seems impossible to take the steps away from "The System". They know this and know that this is why most of us are still choosing "The System" over freedom because we are not prepared to give up our system addictions and deal with the many sacrifices and potential suffering we all have to go through to get out the other side.

The power of many of us coming together as "community immunity" to show that we can live together in peace without "The System" is the only method, bar earth-wide extinction brought on by an earth fever, that will break the back of "The System" because, once we no longer need "The System" physically, mentally and emotionally, they have no power over us and "The System" will fade away because no one is giving it any life-energy any more.

When we all come together to be the gift of life for those around us, giving up our self-centredness to labour so that everyone has food, water and shelter and being prepared to stand up for each other so that we all have people we can count on is how we heal the trauma that has us locked into "The System". We are confident that, once a few of us come together to do this, we will soon be saying, "Why didn't we do this years ago?" Yes, we will work hard until we have broken down the FORCE behind "The System" and got rid of it, but the satisfaction of what we achieve will be far beyond that which we feel from the distractions of "The System". But, hey, there is nothing said here that we have not said before because this is what we have been determined to create since 2006.

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

"The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian

From A Recent Facebook Post.....

"Time" is not the issue as it doesn't exist. What is really going on here is reaction to trauma. "The System" and everything of it is trauma based. Refer to our articles and videos for more on this. GeoEngineering is all trauma based too. Both those behind it and those at the effect of it are all reacting to trauma. As we shared earlier, "Trauma needs to be healed sufficiently in all of us so we can continue progressing fearlessly towards our collective do no harm community/paradise on earth objective. What we've been learning through direct experience over these last 8 years is staggering. The depth of trauma is so extensive that almost all of us don't know how to live without the reaction to trauma, in one form or another, shaping the decision making which forms the outcomes of our lives from sunrise to sunrise. The whole of "The System" is trauma based and is a man-made hell. We are not of hell yet we are so compromised by it. We are determined to inspire MAN out of hell so that Earth is again the living paradise it was dreamt to be. Getting MAN out of hell is a huge team effort.

And a copy of a reply in that post: "In the water of MANS breath where sperm and egg come from we already have all of Paradise in us, as us. Though much of it has been ignored/distracted/corrupted/distorted/suppressed/etc, thanks to trauma (impure insincere thoughts, feelings, actions, dreams that do harm), we are all still completely made out of that heavenly stuff (pure and sincere do no harm thoughts/feelings/actions/dreams).

All you have done was to take full-responsibility to repair whatever you could of the damage done to you because your natural heartfelt connection with paradise is stronger than with the bullshit hell surrounding you. We are all presently struggling through the bullshit of hell's trauma to get back to where we are now. There is still a way to go to have us all living paradise here and now.

Bar not doing harm to MAN/Earth/Nature and being conscious of not doing harm there is NOTHING else to learn from HELL. If we and our ancestors had not been interfered with, we would already be living paradise in present-sense. From the instant of conception children are already equipped with all the tools for co-creating and expanding paradise all-around. The more we start remembering who we really are the faster we can accelerate the process of co-creating Kindoms/Do No Harm Communities/Tribes/Villages and until we make this happen in large scales between us as a gift for all of MAN (us) we will continue suffering from the consequences of giving our life to Hell ("The System") causing hell to bind us all even more closer to hell as in-divide-u-all-s (individuals) with no way out.

Until we have all worked our arses off "day-after-day" to create a living paradise we will never be able to have that "private" space of love where we can each uniquely dream to create the original MAN we are at our core. We've first got to get rid of hell from all around us, from out of the lives of everyone around us and ONLY then can we start to live paradise again. Until we've made this happen nothing will change our bonds with hell. In fact, those who don't take full-responsibility to get rid of hell won't make it as hell will have consumed them as part of the collective spiritual suicide of MANS fall into it.

This post we put up yesterday on Arthur's FB wall "Raymond Karczewski posted this comment in a debate on Nigel Beckwith's Facebook wall..." goes into this subject more deeply and as you read the full extent of the debate we had with Raymond Karczewski we can see/sense what has to be done.

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

"Time Codes" makes trauma based images "self fulfilling" (self-creating), which can't be done if they are not set to a "time code". We project time-coded images from a past we're not letting go of into a future we're not letting go of because we have memorised them, causing the "story-telling" of the trauma to be be re-experienced over and over again here and now in present-sense where we've not been letting go of them.

That's what trauma does to us.

Everything about "The System" is trauma based. All "The System" education is trauma based, conditioning/brainwashing us to "time-codes" so we can be locked into them. Then we are easily manipulated which causes us to comply down-the-line whenever however............i.e....... police officer getting out of the car with lights flashing coming over to you armed with baton, taser, gun, hand-cuffs, penalty infringement notice booklet, etc... Aaaaahhhhhhhh the power of non-sensory images rooted to a time-code = trauma.

These time-coded stories of trauma form the sub-conscious = memory - which is just an echo of a trauma (non-sensory-image) bouncing to and fro between your ears. It is the past projected into the future that controls us here and now.

Trauma is a vicious circle.

How many people do you know who are free of enslavement to trauma?

Being trained/conditioned to "Time Codes" causes us to set trauma into motion so that we can re-experience its harmful-suffering-story over and over again even though nothing is really going on in present-sense........ the time-code of the trauma-story is rooted in the past of "long-ago".

"I have to go to work to keep a roof over my head, get my kids through school, put food on the table, pay the mortgage, pay the bills, etc..... and if I don't" ......... TRAUMA REACTION IS ON BIG-TIME NOW - RED LIGHT IS FLASHING EVEN BRIGHTER even though its always been flashing since being trapped to this time-code rooted in trauma. "I'd better keep getting up each day and go to work in "The System" as a good little compliant slave."

When a child falls over and hurts themselves it's best to ignore their pain by not reacting to the pain the child is experiencing in those moments and instead provide them with a remedy that helps them to move forward without dwelling on the story of the pain. Have watched many children ready to burst into tears but pulling out of it at the last moment when they realise/sense there is no attention-seeking pay-off in it for them coming from those around them. They just move on. This is what nature does to. Life is for the living. "The System" is not for the living.

A lie cannot be created without a "time code". Are you aware of this? All lies are rooted in "time codes".

There is so much more to this and we explain this in some of the Love For Life videos we've been posting and in some of the Love For Life articles too.

Arthur Cristian

The Cristian Family November 2006

True Purpose Behind Chemtrails And Harp


By Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

28th May 2013

Everything going on about Chemtrails, HAARP, etc, is all about the INTENTION to break/disrupt PRESENT-SENSE connection with all our ORIGINAL (MANS) ancestors,

to break/disrupt PRESENT-SENSE connection with ORIGINAL dreams of life set into motion by ORIGINAL ancestors (living co-creators) that we all are (MAN/descendants are their ORIGINAL living-sensory-dreams set into motion)

and to break/disrupt PRESENT-SENSE connection with all ORIGINAL sensory life forms, inanimate or not, so that we cannot learn about who we really are (our ORIGINALITY), what we are really part of (our ORIGINALITY) and what is our true purpose (our ORIGINALITY).

The Freemasonic/Satanic World is doing everything possible to stop us remembering who we really are (our ORIGINS) because, when we do, we stop setting "The System" (their fantasy "alien" world - not of our ORIGINS), and everything of it, into motion, meaning, we are no longer slaves to their non-sensory (false idol) images (this alien gobbledygook/martian-talk world not of our ORIGIN).

We are creating ORIGINAL water every "time" we breathe out (ORIGINAL breath). All our (MANS) ORIGINAL dreams, intentions, thoughts & ideas are embodied/encoded in the ORIGINAL water of our breath (our ORIGIN) and there these images remain in present-sense forevermore (ORIGINAL) unless we destroy/corrupt the water of our breath (our ORIGINS)....... enter in Chemtrails, HAARP, etc.

The water of our breath embodies the dreams of our ORIGINAL ancestor who created the ORIGINAL dream of life, who created the ORIGINAL mountains, the valleys, the trees, the birds, the insects, etc.... EVERYTHING of the dream of life (IS ORIGINAL).

Everything of the sensory dream of life is of MANS ORIGINAL dreaming. As we wander through the forests and explore the beauty of nature in all its incredible forms, what we are experiencing is the ORIGIN-ALL dreams, the creations of our ORIGINAL ancestors set into motion.

When we observe a bird, we are observing the creation of the dream of our ORIGINAL ancestor. That dream had a purpose for the dream of life, for nature. We have all been hijacked through distraction and thought control to create non-origin/non-original dreams that serve "The System" (nothing original here). We set these non-original dreams into motion and create "The System" hell we live in today.

We do not realise the power of our ORIGINAL ancestors before they fell (into non-original dreams/thoughts), the power to create that we all have but that we have forgotten. This power is in our ORIGINAL DNA, which is the ORIGINAL DNA of ORIGINAL MAN (our origins) sustained in present sense in the ORIGINAL water of MAN's ORIGINAL breath, the power and the purpose of living creator that is the ORIGINAL dream of life that is nature.

ORIGINAL MAN IS PRESENT SENSE (living-sensory consciousness = LIFE/Nature/Earth). There is no lineal (time-code) images here as they are not of our ORIGIN.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/941743_6368171696...

Light is Water - Sound is Water - Smell is Water - Sight is Water - Touch is Water - Feel is Water - Taste is Water - Hear is Water - Without Water No Sense Can Be Experienced - Can't Be Thought or Felt or Acted on.

To us, everything (all thoughts/images we think and feel) is man-made and its done through the water of our breath that we share and co-create life with and which can also be severely compromised by our brothers/sisters turning against each other (us), thus corrupting the water of our life (breath) with distorted, impure, insincere, intentions that are non-sensory thoughts/images = demons, apparitions, phantoms, ghosts, et's, aliens, higher beings, gods, divine angels with wings, etc, etc.

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

In present-sense, we are, MAN IS, living creator - we co-create and breathe life with the ORIGINAL breath of living-creator. MAN is the ONLY one present with the presence of LIFE, all else are MAN-made images that are non-sensory apparitions, ghosts, phantoms, demons, etc, set into motion by MAN. Life (MAN) maketh the creator of Life (MAN). Who is there to think, feel and experience Life if MAN did not exist? All thoughts/images of the past and future requires MAN to exist in present-sense to think, feel and experience them. Without MAN, all thoughts of the past and the future cannot be thought or felt. All thoughts of the past are MANS making as are all thoughts of the future are MANS making too. Every thought/image we (MAN) experience can only be experienced in present sense where all of MANS thoughts/images were created and set into motion. All of MAN that ever was and ever will be is who we really are and at the effect of, here and now, in present-sense. The buck stops with us. Through the water of our breath and our intentions set into motion through our breath, we are creating our collective experience and are either rejoicing in elation or suffering terribly.

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

The Cristian Family November 2006

LOVE FOR LIFE

Below are mostly recent links to Love For Life, videos, articles, songs, debates/discussions and podcasts.

All videos are embedded below, just scroll down to find them.

They contain a vast amount of insights for you to contemplate on.

It's best you do not believe in anything we say and instead use your brain/senses to scrutinise all information and go where the logic of truth takes you.

Links to all other videos, etc, can be found here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

Background information about us, can be found by scrolling down the Love For Life website Quick User Guide: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608

All the best to you and your family
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Website: http://loveforlife.com.au
Email : action@loveforlife.com.au
Mobile : 0011 61 418 203204 - (0418 203204)
Snail Mail: PO Box 1320 Bowral 2576 NSW Australia
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Facebook Group Why Aren't We Free Discussion : http://www.facebook.com/164918753537287
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The Cristian Family November 2006

Love For Life Links


Below are mostly recent links to Love For Life, videos, articles, songs, debates/discussions and podcasts.

All videos are embedded below, just scroll down to find them.

They contain a vast amount of insights for you to contemplate on.

It's best you do not believe in anything we say and instead use your brain/senses to scrutinise all information and go where the logic of truth takes you.

Links to all other videos, etc, can be found here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

Background information about us, can be found by scrolling down the Love For Life website Quick User Guide: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608

QUICK INTRODUCTION INTO
THE LOVE FOR LIFE INSIGHTS

Check out the Food Forest we created in a very short period of time.
We demonstrate how to grow lots of organic food in small spaces quickly.

"From Bare Dirt To Abundance"
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

What Is Really Going On
Behind Barrack Obama's Plan
For The Chinese To Invade America
When The U.S. Dollar Collapses

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
23rd June 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8438

System Life + GovernMENt +
True Purpose Behind Chemtrails And HAARP

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
1st June 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8428

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

A Spell Master At Work
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
21st April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8401

Turning Away From The Reflection
Of MANS Looking Glass

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
30th April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8404

Frank O'Collins, His Ucadia
And One-Heaven.org
Worships "The System"
That Is The Beast And Is Hell

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
30th April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8407

Comment About The Video
"Satanic Ritual Child Sacrifices Exposed"

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
12th October 2011
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8232
http://youtu.be/-jTdc04ODU4

A Little Bit About ORGASM & WATER
And
Re-Presenting Intellectual Property
Will Never Get You To Truth

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
20th to 22nd May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8418

Ben Lowrey Interviews Arthur Cristian
Love For Life - 8th February 2012
95 Minutes 28 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH25tucSZSo

The Dream Of Life Part 6 - Under The Spell Of Intellectual Property
Arthur Cristian - 51 Minutes 52 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMK7CkU1ih8

The "Name" Is The Mark Of The Beast The Strawman
Identifying Your Slave Status In "The System"

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
5th February 2012 - 56 Minutes 25 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdOag66v7uo

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
27th February 2013 onwards...
Part One: http://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao
Part Two: http://youtu.be/tbybeOWZ-Bc
Part Three: http://youtu.be/yOWoxH-HbVw
Part Four: coming
Part Five: coming

Max Igan & The Fraud Of The OPPT
(One Peoples Public Trust)

Facebook Discussion With Arthur & Fiona Cristian
17th to 19th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8357

OPPT Is A Scam
Why "Self" Is Not MAN

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
21st February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8363

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

A Facebook Discussion
About OPPT

Involving Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Chris Mansergh and Mark McMurtrie
8th March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8452

"The Steps Of Kindom"
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
2006 to 2007 - Updated/Revised 2011
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

Water Is The Life Of MANS Consciousness (Breath)
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 8th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8350
Part One: http://youtu.be/4ze66_33wxM - 70 Minutes 5 Seconds
Part Two: http://youtu.be/43gIi-sjxJc - 81 Minutes 13 Seconds
Part Three: http://youtu.be/oooY6W63K-M - 70 Minutes 18 Seconds
Part Four: coming

Comment From Arthur & Fiona Cristian Regarding The Summary
About The NASA Future Strategic Issues & Warfare Circa 2025
Dr Dennis M Bushnell - Warfare Strategy Document - Video & PDF

24th June 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8439

Also check out
The Dream Of Life Video Series Part 5A, 5B & 5C - System Science Is Fraud And The Timeline Of Chaos
All links provided below in the video section.

More videos coming shortly:

LINKS

Link To Find A List Of All
Articles, Debates, Discussions, Videos & Podcasts
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian

http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

BACKGROUND

Macquarie Bank
To learn what happened with Macquarie Bank from 2005 onwards go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5

The Cristian Family
To explore what happened since March 2005 to change our lives and fill us with so many inspiring insights
can be found by scrolling down through this webpage: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608
The disclaimers will fill you in even more.

Extensive Research Library
Over 11,000 individual articles, research documents, podcasts, videos, discussions/debates, etc,
are contained within the Extensive Research Library: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/82
Well over 100 million browsers have visited the website since December 2006.

Examples Of Many:

Astronomy - Geocentricity - Heliocentricity - Does The Earth Go Around The Sun Or Does The Sun Go Around The Earth?
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3455

Dinosaurs - Are They Still Amongst Us? Evidence Says They Are
Dinosaurs: Science Or Science Fiction by David Wozney
Dinosaur DECEPTION! Dinosaurs Never Existed! Dinosaur Fossils Are A Hoax

http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3457

Raw Food - Living Food - Vegetarian Websites - Recipes - Lots Of Information On Why A Living Food Diet
This link provides embedded videos created by Gary Yourofsky
and a documentary "A Delicate Balance - The Truth" created by Aaron Schiebner.
He is the grandson of Dr Vera Scheibner, a very well-known anti-vaccine campaigner.
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5068

Facebook


We also post lots of information including Love For Life debates/discussions on Facebook.
As examples of many, links to some of these debates/discussions, like Julian Assange, are provided in this email/post.
Links to Arthur's Facebook wall and other Love For Life group pages are also provided below.

SONGS

Song - Save Our Lives - Rough Demo - With Lyrics
Written By Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
August 2007 - 5 Minutes 38 Seconds

Song - Celebrate Death To The Living - Rough Demo - With Lyrics
Written By Hannah Wood & Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
July 2012 - 6 Minutes 30 Seconds

More professionally made Love For Life videos & songs will be posted in the coming months.
We've been on a massive learning curve in almost all areas of the Love For Life work we do.
We basically started as amateurs/novices.

RECENT ARTICLES / DEBATES / DISCUSSIONS

Comment From Arthur & Fiona Cristian Regarding The Summary
About The NASA Future Strategic Issues & Warfare Circa 2025
Dr Dennis M Bushnell - Warfare Strategy Document - Video & PDF

24th June 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8439

What Is Really Going On
Behind Barrack Obama's Plan
For The Chinese To Invade America
When The U.S. Dollar Collapses

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
23rd June 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8438

System Life + GovernMENt +
True Purpose Behind Chemtrails And HAARP

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
1st June 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8428

A Little Bit About ORGASM & WATER
And
Re-Presenting Intellectual Property
Will Never Get You To Truth

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
20th to 22nd May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8418

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

Turning Away From The Reflection
Of MANS Looking Glass

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
30th April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8404

Frank O'Collins And His Ucadia
And One-Heaven.org
Worships "The System"
That Is The Beast And Is Hell

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
30th April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8407

Comment About The Video
"Satanic Ritual Child Sacrifices Exposed"

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
12th October 2011
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8232
http://youtu.be/-jTdc04ODU4

A Spell Master At Work
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
21st April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8401

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

Max Igan & The Fraud Of The OPPT
(One Peoples Public Trust)

Facebook Discussion With Arthur & Fiona Cristian
17th to 19th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8357

OPPT Is A Scam
Why "Self" Is Not MAN

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
21st February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8363

A Facebook Discussion
About OPPT

Involving Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Chris Mansergh and Mark McMurtrie
8th March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8452

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Incarceration of Dean Clifford
Email Sent To Wayne Swan
Govern(men)t Of Canada
Just(us) Department
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
9th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8349

Difference Between Limited Liability/Responsibility
And Full Liability/Responsibility

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Facebook - 13th July 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8295

Alloidal Rights/Natural Rights Is "Intellectual Property"
The Basis Of "Ownership"

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Facebook - 19th July 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8297

The Deception Of Alphabet Languages
Causing MANS Spiritual Suicide
The True Purpose Behind The Invention
Of Phonetics & Etymology

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 20th July 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8299

The Dual In Duality
Trapped In The Reflection Of 'i" Projection

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 3rd August 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8301

We Are Saying That "Going Within" Or "Going Without"
Is Non-Sense, Is "Intellectual Property",
Is Part Of The "System Science" "Spells"

A Facebook Discussion & Debate
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 8th to 11th August 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8302

Yellow Never Told Us It Was Yellow
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
12th September 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8319

The Non-Sense Obstacles
Of The "Sustainability Movement"
How The "Haves" (Rulers)
Still Want The "Have Nots" (Slaves)

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Facebook - 5th May to 2nd June 2011
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8178

Vortex Of Deactivation And Inactivity
Possible Facebook Espionage
Or Almost Undetectable Hacking

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
24th August 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8316

Julian Assange - Wikileaks
Another Of The Many "Good Guys" Coming Out
Of The Freemasonic/Satanic Production Line
With The Intention To Lead The Duped Sheeple
Into Entering The New World Order

A Facebook Discussion
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
Starting 27th August 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8347

Example: A4 page/Fax Sent To Gatton Court House Qld
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
15th December 2012
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8346

REMEDY

Links to "The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304
or
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8256
or
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5788

Link to "The Steps Of Kindom Background"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8305

VIDEOS

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
27th February 2013 onwards.....
Part One: http://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao

Part Two: http://youtu.be/tbybeOWZ-Bc

Part Three: http://youtu.be/yOWoxH-HbVw

Part Four: coming
Part Five: coming

"From Bare Dirt To Abundance"
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8352

Love For Life Kindom Garden Bowral
Created By 18 Year Old Aidan

5th December 2012
4 Minutes 27 Seconds
http://youtu.be/eJQTSZk3kmQ
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8344

Ben Lowrey Interviews Arthur Cristian
Love For Life - 8th February 2012

95 Minutes 28 Seconds

The "Name" Is The Mark Of The Beast The Strawman
Identifying Your Slave Status In "The System"

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
5th February 2012 - 56 Minutes 25 Seconds

The Dream Of Life Part 6 - Under The Spell Of Intellectual Property
Arthur Cristian - 51 Minutes 52 Seconds

Water Is The Life Of MANS Consciousness (Breath)
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 8th February 2013
Part One: http://youtu.be/4ze66_33wxM - 70 Minutes 5 Seconds

Part Two: http://youtu.be/43gIi-sjxJc - 81 Minutes 13 Seconds

Part Three : http://youtu.be/oooY6W63K-M - 70 Minutes 18 Seconds

http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8350
Part Four: coming

The Dream Of Life - Part 5A - System Science Is Fraud And The Timeline Of Chaos
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - 57 Minutes 35 Seconds

The Dream Of Life - Part 5B - System Science Is Fraud And The Timeline Of Chaos
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - 67 Minutes 26 Seconds

The Dream Of Life - Part 5C - System Science Is Fraud And The Timeline Of Chaos
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - 67 Minutes 25 Seconds

The Dream Of Life - Part 5D - Images Of Deception
The Intelligence Agents Amongst Us
"We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us"

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - 44 Minutes 53 Seconds

The Dream Of Life - Part One
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
62 Minutes 47 Seconds

The Dream Of Life - Part Two
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
83 Minutes 47 Seconds

The Dream Of Life - Part Three
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
91 Minutes 10 Seconds

The Dream Of Life - Part Four
Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
57 Minutes 30 Seconds

Key To Kindom - Co-Creation Of Do No Harm Communities
Causing A Mass Exodus From "The System"

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - February 2011
24 Minutes 48 Seconds

Dream Of Life - Kindom Garden Update
4th February 2012 - Love For Life
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
17 Minutes 16 Seconds

Once Upon A Time by Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
Short Stories Recorded Mid 2009
8 Minutes 38 Seconds

Website: http://loveforlife.com.au
Email : action@loveforlife.com.au
Mobile : 0011 61 418 203204 - (0418 203204)
Snail Mail: PO Box 1320 Bowral 2576 NSW Australia
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The Cristian Family November 2006

We Stand For NO SYSTEM

Kindom (Do No Harm Communities) is the dream for freedom, but it is the dream for the freedom of those around us who also live the dream of freedom, because it is in living for the freedom of others that we get our freedom. When we live for the dreams of Kindom of those around us, we live life as a gift because we live for (dedicate our lives to) their dream of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, just as they live for our Kindom dreams too. This is true co-creation (cooperation) with no attack on the uniqueness of each of us. When we live this way, we have no need for any man-made system - everything/everyone has already been taken care of by our love for life.

Just as we do not have to jump 10 feet across the room to grab our next breath, neither do we have to worry about food, water and shelter because it has all been taken care of as we each co-create Kindoms/Kin-Domains for everyone. Now everybody and everything of the dream of life that is Kindom/Paradise is free (has been set free once again). The issue is greed and selfishness, power and control trips, arrogance, ignorance, being fed many many lies and being traumatised. The issue is not overpopulation - there is more than enough land available for every family to have a hectare (2.5 acres Kin-Domain) to care for. The land of Australia can provide a Kin-Domain for every family across Earth, each with a food forest, clean fresh drinking water and plenty of space for building natural do no harm habitats and with plenty of land left over.

Everyone must have the freedom to take full-responsibility for their lives, for the water they drink, the food they eat and for their shelter. Currently, "The System" forces everyone to give up taking full-responsibility so that we become grown up children accustomed to sucking on the nipples of "The System" corporations for everything, having to use money to get by and to follow the rules of money because we are not co-creating freedom, peace, truth, joy and abundance for each other. Money only leads to haves and have nots and all the abuse, manipulation and distractions that we are subjected to as slaves to money.

When we give up living for other's Kindom dreams, we start creating hell ("The System") all around us because we become self-centred - now it's all about "my freedom","my money", "my land", "my belief", "my saviour", "mine", "mine","mine", "i","i", "i", "own", "own", "own", etc. To protect what we claim we own requires a man-made system with FORCE to protect those self-centred claims. This is ALL trauma based and all story-telling (brainwashing/braindirtying).

NO SYSTEM = KINDOM/DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES
NO SYSTEM = KINDOM/DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES photo Kindom_zpsa6d24e8a.jpg

Our true freedom comes when we set our thoughts of freedom into motion so that we live freedom rather than just talking and thinking about it while we still slave for "The System". Kindom will not happen while we meditate for hours in the bush or do yoga retreats or wait for Jesus or follow the processes of the OPPT (One People's Public Trust now called One People). This is not freedom because we are not living freedom because we are living the story-telling of Jesus or Zeitgeist or The Secret or Thrive or One Earth/Consciousness/People.

Living Kindom is very, very hard work as we set about repairing the damage to MAN/Earth/Nature that we are ALL responsible for but the burden becomes lighter the more of us put our life-energy into the dream of returning Earth to Paradise. Day-after-day, we all have to work our arses off until Kindom is all around us (MAN) once again. This is the price we pay to set each other free on a piece of land (Kin-Domain), so that no one is under the image-power (education/brainwashing/story-telling) of another MAN anymore and so that everyone can have their space of love to create and live their unique, do no harm dreams. This only happens once we have the Kindoms set up so that everyone is provided for.

Once we re-create the food forests, whether on land or in the suburbs, we can re-claim our freedom, breaking the strangle-hold of "The System" because we are no longer reliant on its services and benefits and no longer turning each other into slaves of "The System", cogs in the wheels of "The System" machine. If we don't put the effort in to set everyone and everything free all around us then we still live in HELL ("The System"). The key is to live for everyone else's freedom so that we can have it too.

From Bare Dirt To Abundance
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

From Bare Dirt To Abundance Part Two A
5th November 2014
http://youtu.be/TPTPn8tgcPI
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8545

From Bare Dirt To Abundance Part Two B
Coming Shortly

We live for NO SYSTEM. We do not lose anything by not having a man-made system and, in fact, we gain. We gain our freedom and we gain abundance. Let go of the fear.

The Cristian Family November 2006

A Collection Of Various Love For Life Posts
Providing The Big Picture We See

Sequential Order

We ask you to NOT believe anything we say/share and instead use scrutiny like an intense blow torch and go where the logic of truth/sense takes you. This is very, very important. Put everything you believe up to the test of scrutiny to see how it stacks up. If you are true to your heart/senses and go where the logic of truth/sense takes you will find that NO belief, etc, will stand up to the test of scrutiny. They just do not stack up because they are lies/fraud.

After you have watched and read all the material and any questions are left unanswered, send us your landline number and we will use the internet phone as a free unlimited call. We are on Sydney NSW Australia time. Best times for us to chat are between 11.00am and 6.00pm.

It is critical that you fully comprehend Image Power, "Spelling", Trauma, Reaction To Trauma, Curses, Processing Curses, Full-Responsibility/Liability, Limited Liability/Responsibility (passing-the-back), Slavery, Senses/Sense vs Non-Sense/Senses, Re-Presenting Intellectual Property such as but not limited to "Name", Storytelling/Storytellers, Duality, Black-Magic, Belief, Lies, "i", All Seeing "i" (eye), etc..... These themes and others are covered over and over and over again.

If you do not comprehend these insights and are unable to use your senses to sense your way through all the non-sense/non-sensory-images that enslave MAN under their image power (darkness = "The System" = Hell), men and women will remain deeply trapped under a terrible state of trauma. Our intention is to inspire you to remedy by showing you how to move away from reacting to trauma in all its nefarious and devious forms.

His-Story/Her-Story (History)
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
2005-2007 - Re-posted July 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8529

The Dream Of Life Part 6
Under The Spell Of Intellectual Property

Arthur Cristian - 51 Minutes 52 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMK7CkU1ih8

The "Name" Is The Mark Of The Beast
The Strawman Identifying
Your Slave Status In "The System"

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
5th February 2012 - 56 Minutes 25 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdOag66v7uo

IMAGE POWER
The Nefarious Tactics Used
To Disguise Truth And Distract Us
From Remedy

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
24th January 2014
This post contains many recent Facebook comments
and email replies which collectively provides a big picture
into exposing the deception behind IMAGE POWER.
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8496

The Pull Of E-Motion
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
8th February 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8499

IMAGE POWER
Superb Diamond Range Interviewing
Arthur & Fiona Cristian 4th February 2014
http://youtu.be/qFnuuw3kLog
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8501

Trauma Induced Fantasy
July 2013 Interview With
Jeanice Barcelo And Arthur & Fiona Cristian
http://youtu.be/CZVj-ddUoZw
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8500

Processing Curses
A Lie Is A Curse
Liars Process Curses

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
26th February 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8503

How The System Is Really Constructed
Bouncing Back Curses Upon Curse Makers
To Stop Harm Forevermore

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
27th February 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8504

Slave To A Name
Parts One, Two, Three, Four,
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd to 6th March 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8505

Educated Slaves
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
20th March 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8506

The Only Path To Freedom
Beware The False Steps

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 2nd April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8508

Free-Dumb For All
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 5th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8510

Revoking The Ego
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 8th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8511

How MAN Commits Spiritual Suicide
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life - 3rd April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8509

How To Detect Intel Operatives Working
For The New World Order Agenda
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 10th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8512

How The Psyop Program & Intel Networks
Are Messing With Your Head +
His-Story/Her-Story

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8513

Godzilla Through The Looking Glass
Destroyed By Name"

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 20th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8514

What It's Going To Take
To Co-Create Freedom Forevermore

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 22nd April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8514

Falling For Fairy Stories
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 24th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8514

A Disassociation From The Work
Of Kate of Gaia

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 17th May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8517

Separating The Wheat From The Chaff
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 22nd May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8516

Revolution Or Revolution
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 25th May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8520

Routing Out Psyop Programs
Routs Out Intel Operatives
Exposing Max Igan's Psyop Program

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 31st May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8524

The Psyop Program Scam
Behind Religion Belief Faith
& Associated Opinion

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
11th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8525

Another Delusion
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
11th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8526

A World Of Words Is A World Of Lies
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
13th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8527

E-MAN
The Name Of The Beast Is MAN

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 9th May 2014
Includes Mountain MAN Arrested
Facebook Discussion About "Name"
Uploaded 25th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8528

E-Motion
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 13th August 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8537

Discussion With Brother Gregory
Clearly Demonstrating Christianity
Is Part Of The Problem
And Not The Solution

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
Between the 12th May 2014 and 30th August 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8542

The Psyop Program Behind Free Food
And Permaculture

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
29th October 2014
Facebook Discussion With Unconditional Love Moon
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8544

Head So Strong
Music and Vocals Arthur Cristian
Backing Vocals and Vocal Effects Arthur Cristian & Hannah Wood
Lyrics Fiona and Arthur Cristian
Written during our spare time between Aug & Oct 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG4UQCTsqwU

The Time Of Trauma That Destroys Us
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
9th November 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8547

The Most Powerful Video On Spirituality
And Happiness FOR SLAVES
Or
How To Accept Slavery And Be Happy About It

Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
6th August 2014
Facebook Discussion About The Work Of Eckhart Tolle
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8548

What Can We Do What Can We See
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
A series of Arthur Cristian Facebook
posts and discussions
between 17th and 21st November 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8552

The Misuse Of Love By Intel Networks
To Create Doubt And Uncertainty
With The Intention To Destroy Love
And Therefore Destroy MAN
(True Freedom, Peace, Joy, Abundance And Truth
For Everyone)

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
26th November 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8554

Crop Circles Are A Massive Hoax
Facebook Discussion On Simon Kawai's Wall
Involving Arthur & Fiona Cristian
31st August 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8470

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
27th February 2013 onwards...
Part One: http://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao
Part Two: http://youtu.be/tbybeOWZ-Bc
Part Three: http://youtu.be/yOWoxH-HbVw

Water Is The Life Of MANS Consciousness (Breath)
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 8th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8350
Part One: http://youtu.be/4ze66_33wxM - 70 Minutes 5 Seconds
Part Two: http://youtu.be/43gIi-sjxJc - 81 Minutes 13 Seconds
Part Three: http://youtu.be/oooY6W63K-M - 70 Minutes 18 Seconds

What Do You Believe On Origins?
Who Said There Was A Beginning?
Who's Truth Do You Accept?
Belief Is A Strange Idea.

Discussion Lyndell, Scott and Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Between March and April 2013
Posted 29th October 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8487

So You Want The Good Bits Of "The System"
But Not The Bad Bits?

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 12th August 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8468

Turning Away From The Reflection
Of MANS Looking Glass

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
30th April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8404

REMEDY

From Bare Dirt To Abundance
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

From Bare Dirt To Abundance Part Two A
5th November 2014
http://youtu.be/TPTPn8tgcPI
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8545

From Bare Dirt To Abundance Part Two B
Coming Shortly

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Divine Spark
Facebook Discussion With Raymond Karczewski
Arthur & Fiona Cristian & Others
2nd October 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8483

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

The Steps Of Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life 2006/2007
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

To explore these themes in greater detail go here where you can find links to all our Love For Life comments, articles, debates, discussions, videos, podcasts, etc: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Website: http://loveforlife.com.au
Email : action@loveforlife.com.au
Mobile : 0011 61 418 203204 - (0418 203204)
Snail Mail: PO Box 1320 Bowral 2576 NSW Australia
Facebook Arthur Cristian : http://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian
YouTube Arthur Cristian : http://www.youtube.com/ArthurLoveForLife

Register To The Love For Life Mailing List: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/09/05/14/mailing-list

Facebook Group Why Aren't We Free Discussion : http://www.facebook.com/164918753537287
Facebook Group Kindom/Do No Harm Community Discussion : http://www.facebook.com/151811728195925

Links below will kick in when the professionally recorded Love For Life music is released.

SoundCloud : http://soundcloud.com/loveforlife
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Twitter : https://twitter.com/loveforlifemusi
Facebook Music : http://www.facebook.com/loveforlifemusic
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MySpace : http://www.myspace.com/loveforlifemusic
Google + Fiona Cristian : https://plus.google.com/100490175160871610090

Peaceful Transition Through Sacrifice And Service

We feel there is an essential peaceful do no harm transition required to get all of MAN back to standing on MANS feet without reliance upon another MAN for water, food, shelter. As it stands everyone in "The System" are highly dependent and reliant on the "group mind-set" that forms "The System" of slaves providing services and benefits for the emotionally addicted slaves to "The System" (and you can put us in the same basket too). The transition is to get MAN back to relying ONLY on nature without 3rd party interlopers, intermeddlers, interceders getting in the way. The transition is a team effort with the foresight for setting all of MAN free down-the-line so that MAN is no longer dependent on slaves and masters providing services, benefits, privileges and exclusivity while being bound to contracts, rituals, procedures, conditions, rules & regulations which compromises MAN severely.

This transition is all about shifting from limited liability/responsibility to full liability/responsibility. This full responsibility is all about caring for our health, nature all around us, clean uncorrupted (pure) water and food, partner/co-creator, children, shelter, animal-friends in partnership, etc. In "The System", we are already together destroying each other - we have to come together to create peace together so that we can all have peace. We cannot live peacefully when we are islands, not taking full responsibility for the lives of those around us until EVERYONE can take full responsibility for their life, which means that EVERYONE is healed of system trauma. In "The System", we all come together to make slaves of each other - now is the moment to come together to set each other free, to live for each other's freedom, peace, joy and abundance. Once we have set each other free, we are free.

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

"The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

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Once we fix these issues, we or our children or our descendants to come, can start focusing on the even bigger picture of getting back to where our ancestors were, as breatharyan's, before they fell into non-sense images to be enslaved by them.

All the best to you and your family
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Cristian Family Declaration

The Cristian family and The Love for Life Campaign are apolitical, non-religious, non-violent, anti weapons, anti drugs (both pharmaceutical and recreational) and anti any ideology that denies the existence of Do No Harm Communities (Kindoms) and suppresses the uniqueness and freedom of all men, women and children.

The Cristian family and our Love For Life work is unaligned to any big business corporation, intelligence agency, government body, "system" law, "system" think tanks, "system" green or environmental movements, religion, cult, sect, society (fraternity, brotherhood, sisterhood, order, club, etc,) secret or not, hidden agenda, law or sovereignty group, occult, esoteric, New Age or Old Age.

The Cristian family supports and promotes the remedy that brings an everlasting peace, freedom, truth, joy, abundance and do no harm for all of life without causing loss of uniqueness or the need for having slaves and rulers. We are not into following the one in front or being shepherds for sheeple. Most importantly, we take full-responsibility for everything we think, feel and do.

The Cristian family are not Christians.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

December 2006

The Cristian Family November 2006

THE CRISTIAN FAMILY PLEDGE

Being of clear brain, heart and intention, we each declare the following to be true:

• We have no intention of ending our own lives.

• We will not tolerate suppression of truth, ideas, freedom, or our work. We stand for freedom of speech.

• We stand together to support others in the expression of truths and freedom to speak out no matter how radical those ideas may seem.

• Standing for freedom takes courage; together we shall be strong in the face of all odds.

• If it is ever claimed that we have committed suicide, encountered an unfortunate accident, died of sickness/disease, disappeared, been institutionalized, or sold out financially or in any other way to self-interested factions, we declare those claims false and fabricated.

• We testify, assert and affirm without reservation, on behalf of all those who have dedicated their lives to the ending of secrecy and the promotion of freedom of thought, ideas and expression that we shall prevail.

• We Do Not Have Multiple Personality Disorders

Arthur Cristian
Fiona Cristian
Jasmin Lily Cristian
Emma Rose Cristian
Frances Hannah Cristian
Xanthe Jane Cristian

15th December 2006 (Edited/Updated 18th September 2011)

The Cristian Family November 2006

Update Regarding The Love For Life
Home Page And Quick User Guide

We are turning the Love for Life Quick User Guide http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 into a blog of all the main insights of our work since March 2005, whether through articles, videos, podcasts or discussions/debates.

As we do not have the time to compile everything we have written into a book, as many have suggested we do, compiling all our most important work into one area of the website is a way of providing easy access to this work so those interested are able to fully comprehend the big picture.

Instead of having to find our different articles, videos, etc, in various parts of the website, it will all be accessible here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385.

Love For Life Videos

As amateurs and posted in the Quick User Guide below the Facebook links, we're currently creating and posting a series of videos called "The Dream Of Life" which covers the ground of all the Love For Life insights. We plan to have the videos completed by December 31st 2012. Once this is behind us, our intention is to create a 2 hour or so video covering the body of this work. All videos are embedded in the quick user guide http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 and uploaded in Arthur's YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ArthurLoveForLife.

Love For Life Music

We have started recording songs, with others, that express the themes of Love For Life. They are now being posted on Arthur's YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ArthurLoveForLife and are embedded in the quick user guide http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608. We have over 100 songs to record. A few rough demos have already been used as the soundtrack on the first "Dream of Life" video.

About Us - Love For Life & The Cristian Family

Also, everything we, the Cristian family, have gone through, from bank fraud and the theft of the family home to death threats and attempts on Arthur's life, is documented in the Quick User Guide too. If you, the reader, are prepared to put the effort in, you will comprehend the extent to which we have all been tricked into becoming slaves, giving up our uniqueness and our full-responsibility for life and destroying everything of life to the point where life is in danger of dying out completely. You will also comprehend the remedy to all this chaos; a remedy that requires only love for life and the determination to do what needs to be done. Though our focus is very strongly on the remedy that creates a world of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance and Do No Harm for all of life without loss of uniqueness or the need for slaves and rulers, we realise that it is vital to comprehend how to get there and what stops us from getting there. This is why there is so much information on the hows and whys of everything going wrong in the world today. We are not into peddling conspiracy theories, we are into routing out all forms of organised crime.

Saturday 26th November 2011

Arthur and Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Website: http://loveforlife.com.au
Email: action@loveforlife.com.au
Mobile: 0011 61 418 203204 - (0418 203204)
Facebook Arthur Cristian: http://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian
YouTube Arthur Cristian: http://www.youtube.com/ArthurLoveForLife
SoundCloud: http://soundcloud.com/loveforlife
Nimbit Music: http://www.nimbitmusic.com/loveforlife
Twitter: https://twitter.com/loveforlifemusi
Facebook Music: http://www.facebook.com/loveforlifemusic
Facebook Why Aren't We Free Discussion: http://www.facebook.com/164918753537287
Facebook Do No Harm Community: http://www.facebook.com/151811728195925
YouTube Love For Life Music: http://www.myspace.com/loveforlifemusic
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/loveforlifemusic
Google + Fiona Cristian: https://plus.google.com/100490175160871610090
Register To The Love For Life Mailing List: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/09/05/14/mailing-list

1. For The Body Of The Love For Life Work by Arthur and Fiona Cristian

Which Unravels The Reasons For The Chaos, Mayhem and Confusion Being Experienced In The World Today, Explains The Need For "Community Immunity" and Responsibility, and Focuses On The Creation Of Kindoms - Do No Harm, Life-Sustainable Communities (As The Remedy That Heals All Mans Woes) - And How We Can Co-Create Them. For Comments, Articles And Discussions, Go Here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - Also Go Here To See Podcasts And Videos Posted by Arthur & Fiona Cristian: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7309 - The Information Shared Comes From Inspiration, Intuition, Heartfelt-Logic And Information Gathered From Nature And Many Amazing Men And Women Along The Way. It Is Not Found In Any Books Or Channellings, Or Talked About By "Experts". Go Here To Read A Brief Synopsis Of Why We Started Love For Life: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8182

2. For Information About The Ringing Cedars of Russia Series

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1125 and for more on Eco Homes, Villages, Organic and Permaculture Gardening and Life-Sustainability, etc, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3641 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1985 and Mikhail Petrovich Shchetinin - Kin's School - Lycee School at Tekos: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5173

3. For How To Eat A Raw, Living Food Diet,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5068 - LIFE is information. When we distort LIFE and then eat, drink, absorb, think, feel, hear, see, touch, taste, smell and perform these distortions, the information of LIFE, your LIFE, our LIFE, our children's lives, everyone's LIFE, is distorted.

4. To Find A Menu For The Extensive Research Library (over 8,000 items posted embodying over 11,000 documents, pdf's, videos, podcasts, etc)

Which Covers Topics From Health to Chemtrails/Haarp to Brain Control to Archaeology to Astronomy Geocentricity Heliocentricity to Pandemics Bird Flu Swine Flu to Fluoride to Cancer to Free Energy to Global Warming, 9/11, Bali Bombings, Aspartame, MSG, Vaccinations, Aids/HIV, Mercury, New World Order, Satanism, Religions, Cults, Sects, Symbolism, etc, etc, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/82

5. If You Would Like To Read About The Cristian Family NSW Supreme Court Case

(Macquarie Bank/Perpetual Limited Bank Fraud Condoned By Judges, Registrars, Barristers, Lawyers, Politicians, Public Servants, Bureaucrats, Big Business and Media Representatives - A Crime Syndicate/Terrorist Organisation) Which Prompted The Creation Of This Love For Life Website December 2006, And The Shooting And Torture Of Supporters Who Assisted Us In Reclaiming The Family Home, Joe Bryant And His Wife, Both In Their Late 70's, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5 And Read Some Of Our Email Correspondence With Lawyer Paul Kean - Macedone Christie Willis Solari Partners - Miranda Sydney May 17th-June 27th 2006: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7300

6. For The Stories Of Other Victims Of The System,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/australian_stories (If you have a story you would like us to put up, we would love to here from you:
action @ loveforlife.com.au)

7. For Documentation Of Harm Done By The Powers-That-Be And Their Representatives,

Evidence Revealing How Victims Did Not Break The Peace, Caused No Crime or Harm, There Were No Injured Parties. Documenting Incontrovertible Evidence Demonstrating How The Powers That Be (PTB) And Their Lackeys Will Break All The Laws They Are Supposed To Uphold. They Will Kidnap, Intimidate, Terrorise, Rape, Pillage, Plunder And Lie And Take Responsibility For None Of It. All Part Of Their Tactics Of Using Fear And Trauma To Keep Us In Our Place. Relatives Of Those Under Their Radar Are Also Not Safe From Attack And Intimidation. All Starting From A $25 Fine For Not Voting And A $65 Fine For Not Changing A Dog Registration. We Do Not Have Freedom And Can Only Appear To Have Freedom If We Comply. Regardless How Small The Matter The PTB Throw Hundreds Of Thousands Of Dollars Away To Enforce Their Will.... Go Here:
Fiona Cristian Reply To State Debt Recovery Office - Part One to Part Ten - From 17th October 2008 And Still Continuing:
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6319 or
Fiona Cristian Reply To State Debt Recovery Office
Part One: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5742 - From 17th October 2008
Part Two: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6135 - From 18th December 2008
Part Three: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6295 - From 9th January 2009
Part Four: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6296 - From 14th January 2009
Part Five: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6375 - The Sick Puppy - From 20th February 2009
Part Six: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6390 - Police Officers, Sheriff’s Officers, Tow Truck Driver and State Debt Recovery Office Blatantly Ignore the Law To Rape, Pillage and Plunder The Private Property Of Fiona Cristian - From 11th March 2009
Part Seven: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6445 - Affidavit Of Truth - Letter To The Queen + Australia: Fascism is Corporatism - From 30th March 2009
Part Eight: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6652 - The Pirates Auction And The Ghost Of VSL386 - From 4th April 2009
Part Nine: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7073 - Arthur Cristian's Letter To Pru Goward MP - From 15th December 2009
Part Ten: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7500 - Should We Be In Fear Of Those Who Claim To Protect Us? "Roman Cult" Canon Law - Ecclesiastical Deed Poll - The Work Of Frank O'Collins - From 13th October 2010

8. If You Are Interested In Information On Freedom From Statutes, Rule-Of-Law, Free Man/Free Woman, Strawman, "Person" and Admiralty Law (The Law Of Commerce),

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/895 - For Common Law, Democracy, Constitution, Trial By Jury, Fee Simple, etc, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/category/main/law-articles-documents

9. If You Are Interested In Banking and Money Created (Fiat/Credit/Debt/Mortgage/Loan/Overdraft etc) Out-Of-Thin-Air, How Banks Counterfeit Money,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/banks

10. For A List Of All The Latest Posts In The Love For Life Website,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/tracker

11. For Links To Many Hundreds Of Videos, DVDs And Podcasts

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/video_dvd

12. To See The Cristian Family Pledge, Legal and other Disclaimers

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/06/12/05/love-life-legal-disclaimer

13. To Read About How A Representative Of The NSW Jewish Board Of Deputies Had Threatened To Shut Down The Love For Life Website

go here: Part One: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6616 Part Two: THE STEVE JOHNSON REPORT AND VIDEO: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6665 and Part Three: Latest Update On James Von Brunn: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6673

Conscious Love Always
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
action @ loveforlife.com.au
www.loveforlife.com.au
0418 203204 (int: 0011 61 418 203204)
PO Box 1320 Bowral 2576 NSW Australia

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The Cristian Family November 2006

ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER

THE CRISTIAN FAMILY SUPPORTS
FREEDOM OF SPEECH - FREEDOM OF THOUGHT

Note: Updated Wednesday 17th June 2009 8.00pm Sydney Time.

Love For Life does not support harm doing in any shape or form. However, we are supporters of free speech so we post articles, documentaries, etc, that represent a wide cross section of ideas. See the Love For Life extensive research library where there are over 11,000 individual documents, articles, videos, podcasts and debates/discussions are posted: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/82. We clearly see the evidence of the destruction to MAN and Earth that has been caused by ALL religions over the centuries and are therefore not supporters of religions, cults, sects or any group that demands conformity of thought, speech or action, or has rules, regulations or rituals that must be followed. Religions, nationalities and cultural "identities" are formed as a result of the brainwashing we receive from childhood. They are part of the tactics the Establishment uses to keep us all divided from one another and fighting one another.

All religions promote discrimination and division, leading to hatred and even violence and murder. None of them have yet to produce a remedy to all the suffering, poverty, unhappiness and discrimination in the world. If any religion truly had the remedy to all the suffering on earth, there would no longer be any suffering. What have Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, atheism and the New Age done to end the suffering in the world?

Freedom Of Speech - Freedom Of Thought

Since December 2006, there have been many attempts to take down the Love For Life website. Any attempts have been thwarted by Love For Life supporters inundating the harm-doers with emails, etc, objecting to them taking down the website for a variety of reasons. The trouble makers usually back off when they realise that they can post all their views, arguments, beliefs, etc, in the Love For Life website without censorship or restriction imposed. They get to see that even the Queen, Pope, Prime Minister, President of America, etc, can post all their views without hindrance or sabotage and that we support freedom of speech/thought which means we support the right of all sides to express their views.

Of note, there is a vast amount of information posted in the Love For Life website which we do not agree with but we leave it all up because we refuse to be biased, opinionated or self-centered/self-serving. Of the many thousands of comments posted over the years we have only removed posts containing secret links to commercial advertisements, terrible foul language, threats of violence and death, etc, and attacks on other people's characters that avoid the subject/debate at hand. Besides links to advertisements, we have taken down less than six comments due to the above. We usually leave everything up, all warts and all, even those posts threatening to do terrible things to Fiona, our children, our dogs, our friends, family & supporters, etc.

The Love For Life website has information from all sides on many subjects, whether about Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Law, health, psychology, mind control, vaccination, aspartame, MSG, Chemtrails etc. There are over 11,000 individual articles, documentaries, podcasts, etc on the website and they are so diverse that we are sure that everyone would be able to find something they loved and something they hated, if they took the time to search. If we removed all the articles hated by everyone, there would probably be nothing left! We are not anti anyone but freedom of speech is freedom of speech and no one should condemn the work of another without taking the time to research the subject themselves. Yes, there are articles by those who have a less-than-rosy-viewpoint of Judaism, but there are also articles on the dark side of Tibetan Buddhism (and it is very dark) for those who are interested in the truth: Tibet - Buddhism - Dalai Lama: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6271 Should the authors of these articles be abused and imprisoned for daring to challenge the widely conceived reputation of Buddhism as being the religion of peace and love and that of the Dalai Lama as a saint, or should those interested be allowed to study the work and come to their own conclusions? The same applies to all the articles, documentaries, etc, about Christianity, Islam, Freemasonry, New World Order, etc.

The Love for Life website also shows how the Rule of Law, the Bar, the Government, the Monarchy, the system of commerce, the local, national and multi/trans-national private corporations, all the courses and careers on offer from our universities, all the educators, scientists, academics and experts, the aristocrats and the Establishment bloodlines have also done NOTHING to end the suffering in the world. The website maps the insanity of a world where there is no help for those in need, just as there was no help available for us when we were victims of terrible bank fraud: http://loveforlife.com.au/court_case orchestrated, condoned and protected by an international crime syndicate/terrorist organisation of judges, barristers, registrars, lawyers, politicians, banksters, big business representatives, media moguls and other lackeys who, all together, put up a wall of silence despite our trying many, many avenues. After the family home was stolen and business destroyed we were left close to poverty and destitution caring for 4 young daughters. Three years later not much has changed regardless of all our efforts. Where were all the followers of all the religions to help us? Or do we have to be members of those religions to receive help from others involved in them?

We have been accused of being anti - Jewish because we had posted an excerpt from James von Brun's book: Kill the Best Gentiles! http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6054 in which he blames Jews for the problems of the world. Obviously this is not our view because of what we have stated above. We do not hate anyone, whatever religion they follow. We are always open to talk to any religious leader or politician and meet with any judge, member of the Bar, experts, academics, educators etc to share the remedy we offer that heals all the divisions between MAN and MAN, and MAN and EARTH.

Today, a representative of the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies is threatening to close the website down, because they have decided it is anti - Jewish and that we promote racism. What has the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies done to end the suffering in the world? Can they show that they are concerned with the suffering of ALL men, women and children AND ARE SEEN TO BE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT or are they only concerned with Jewish affairs? If so, they, along with all the other religions that only care for their own, are part of the problem, not part of the solution. The man who rang Arthur today was only concerned with Jewish affairs; he was not interested in our intentions or in anybody else, just as most Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Catholics, etc, are only interested in their own. While we separate our lives into groups, dividing our lives from others with rules, regulations, rituals, procedures, conditions and contracts, we will never solve our problems.

No matter what we in the Western World Civilisation of Commerce have been promised by our politicians, religious leaders, scientists, educators, philosophers, etc, for the past two hundred years, all we have seen is ever-increasing destruction of men, women and children and Earth. None of the so-called experts and leaders we have been taught to rely on are coming up with a solution and none of them are taking full-responsibility for the fact that they can't handle the problem. All religious books talk about end times full of destruction and suffering but why do we have to follow this program when there is an alternative to hatred, mayhem and death? Why are our leaders following the program of destruction and death rather than exploring the do no harm alternatives? It seems that any mainstream politician, priest or academic are only interested in supporting the RULES OF THE DIVIDE, that maintain the haves and the have nots. For 200+ years, 99% of the world population have been so trained to pass on their responsibility for their lives, others and Earth, that the 1% of the population that make up the leaders of the rest of us are making all the decisions leading to the destruction of all of us and Earth. Let's not forget the education system that brainwashes the 99% of the population that we are free and have equal rights while, in fact, we are feathering the nests of those at the top.

At the root of all our problems is self-centredness, an unwillingness nurtured by the Establishment that keeps us concerned only with our own needs rather than the needs of others around us and Earth. Instead of creating and releasing acts of love for those around us as gifts to benefit them and Earth, we take, take and take, until there is nothing left. The whole point of the Love for Life website is to show people the root of all our problems and to share the remedy. The extensive research library is there to attract browsers and to provide access to information not available through mainstream channels. If the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies can, after careful examination of our work, prove that anything we are saying is wrong, we will be happy to accept their proof. If they cannot, and they are still insistent on closing the website down, they will be showing themselves to be traitors to MAN because they are not interested in pursuing any avenue that can end the suffering in the world.

All religions, corporations and organisations that support and maintain the Western World Civilisation of Commerce are part of the problem because our civilisation is a world of haves and have nots, exclusivity, privilege, racism, violence, hatred, poverty, sickness, discrimination, abuse, starvation, homelessness, corruption, collusion, vindictiveness, social unrest, arrogance, ignorance, fear, war and chaos. While we support civilisation, we support death and destruction.

If we truly want peace and freedom for all, we have to let go of all that which keeps us divided, and come together as MAN, conscious living co-creators of creation/life. The Love For Life website offers a remedy to the problems we all face in the form of DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES (KINDOMS): http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 - http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3641 For more details see here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - We also highly recommend that everyone read the brilliant Russian books called The Ringing Cedars: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1125 - The Love For Life homepage/front-page also provides lots of inspiring remedy based information: http://loveforlife.com.au - If you want to be kept up to date with our work please register to the Love For Life mailing list here: http://loveforlife.com.au/campaign_list We usually send two postings per month. Presently (September 2011) there are over 7000 registrations reaching over 500,000 readers across Earth. The website now (September 2011) receives up to 12 million hits per month. Since December 2006, over 100 million people have visited the Love For Life website.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur and Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
17th June 2009

The Cristian Family November 2006

Clarification Regarding Our Intentions
Behind The Use Of Donations

The Love For Life website is offered for free without a fee and without any conditions attached. If people are inspired to donate money, then we accept their gift and have provided an avenue for them to support the work we do through Fiona's Paypal or ANZ bank account http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8515. There is no obligation whatsoever to donate and all are equally welcome to our work and to our "time", whether they donate or not. Over the last 9 years, all the Love For Life work has been put out for free and it has often been donations from supporters that have enabled us to renew the domain name, etc, to keep the website going. While some complain that we have an avenue for donations, others complained when we didn't! Either use it or don't - the choice is yours.

Since Love For Life started March 2005 and website December 2006, Arthur has worked 16 hours a day, 7 days a week unpaid for much of this period, putting together the website and sharing insights to wake people up to what has been done to them, whether through the 11,500+ individual articles, videos, podcasts, debates, discussions, pdf's, research documents, etc, found amongst the 8,500+ posts, as well as helping many, many men and women over the phone, and through email, website correspondence, Facebook and YouTube, and creating the Love For Life food forest vege garden and Love For Life music recording studio. This is our life is a gift commitment to serve MAN/Nature/Earth but we are still severely compromised by "The System" and still have to give to Caesar what is claimed to belong to Caesar, which is where the donations help us.

Fiona & Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
21st July 2014