Jerry & Joe Kane - Father & Son Killed In West Memphis By Police For Protecting Their Property - Media Twists Abound


Jerry & Joe Kane
Father and Son Killed In West Memphis
By Police For Protecting Their Property
Media Twists Abound


20th to 26th May 2010

Jerry Kane and his beautiful son Joe (age 16) were shot to death during an alleged traffic stop by law enforcement on Thursday, May 20th, 2010. Jerry, Joe and their two dogs, while on their way back to their home in Florida have been made out to be everything from drug smugglers to Hispanics, which we all know is typical of the media spinners. The police said it was a traffic stop. But their van had more bullet holes in it than Bonnie and Clyde's.

Jerry and Donna Lee were just married three months ago. Jerry spoke of ending his travelling to give classes and seminars across the country and was looking forward to staying close to home and enjoying his new life in Florida. They were happy.


Bombshell


Last month, Jerry was stopped on I40 in New Mexico and arrested for not having a drivers license. He recently completed his administrative process for the unlawful arrest.

Coincidence?


I40 sounds like the good ole boy stretch-of-highway, where if they spot you, and they already dont like you, you could get killed. Even if you are just a Dad and son with your two dogs on your way home, minding your own business.

Let's face it. If there wasn't a "traffic stop" no one would be dead!

Message From Thomas (Australia)

That Jerry thing was pretty obvious... I mean look at the photos... where is the number plate they claim they used to identify them as the same two "men" that killed two police officers 45 minutes earlier with an AK47..??

And why is the car riddled with bullet holes, and the boy handcuffed face down on the ground when he was supposed to have been shot.

Why were they in a WalMart car park after supposedly shooting police officers 45 minutes earlier and not in hiding somewhere?

Why in the video does it look like their car was run over by a tank?

Message From Bruno (Australia)

I would not be surprised the two dead cops were killed by the powers that be (PTB). The two cops might have seen too much and the PTB had to get rid of them. The PTB have special task forces for such occasions to prevent cops having to kill their "mates", which they would baulk at. The PTB have been known to do this over the ages, often killing shiploads of men who might return to their homelands and spread the word about the massacres of men and women on the land that they had been forced to take part in. "Things Are Not What They Seem".

Bruno

Message From Sheldon

Where's the patrol car cam video?
Where's the audio?
Where the traffic cam video?

All they are doing is SAYING what they think happened. where's the evidence?
Have they buried it?

I will honorably accept the truth and apologize if you are right, but first we need to see and hear the proof. Until then it's all speculation except for the proof that Jerry and Joe were massacred by law enforcement agencies that participated in the shootout.

Sheldon

 

Latest News Release From NBC Nightly News With Brian Williams:
"Whose America - Underground Group Inciting Violence In The USA" - 2 Minutes 38 Seconds

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Video: Dash cam video of deadly West Memphis police shooting released - 2 Minutes 12 Seconds

- 1st July 2010 - A new video has been released of the deadly shooting which claimed the lives of a father, a son and two police officers on May 20, 2010. West Memphis police officers Bill Evans and Brandon Paudert were killed after Evans pulled over a minivan driven by 45-year-old Jerry Kane, who was traveling with his son Joseph. The video, shot from a police SUV, shows teenager Joseph firing an AK-47 before driving off with his father. Police later shot and killed the Kanes. Prosecutors released the video Wednesday as part of a preliminary report clearing police of wrongdoing in the fatal shootings. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLSNLeoab8c

 

Video: Dash cam video shows teenager opens fire on officers - 2 Minutes 15 Seconds

- Video of West Memphis AR police officers being shot and killed by two idiots who are now dead and rotting in hell.

 

RAW CCTV Video of West Memphis AR cop killers getting killed in Walmart Parking lot - 5 Minutes

- Raw footage from the Walmart parking lot cctv cams and police dash cams capturing the shoot out in West Memphis parking lot. See how brave official rams truck into van and then thugs get sent to hell.

 

A Comment From Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
Regarding NBC Nightly News Brian Williams Pitch (and other News Videos posted above):
"Whose America - Underground Group Inciting Violence In The USA"

Without having the first party experience of being there, seeing the gunpowder, hearing the gunshot and seeing who pulled the trigger, all we are left with is what we are fed by the news readers as we watch cut and edited footage. As they "talk us through" the segment, they are actually telling us what to think and how to feel about what we are seeing. The third parties of the system are making sure that the conclusions we reach are those already prescribed for us by the Powers that Be. This is how all aspects of the fairytale work and we are saturated with millions of them. Everything of LIFE (nature/reality) that we touch, taste, smell, hear, feel and see as 1st parties gives us the information of LIFE it has to offer freely. In "The System" of the powers that be (PTB), however, we are taught from an early age, by third parties, how to think and feel about everything of "The System", as well as how to think and feel about the life forms of LIFE. This means that we place the information of "The System" over the information of LIFE so that we no longer think and feel the information of LIFE. Not thinking and feeling the information of LIFE makes us capable of destroying LIFE, starting with our own lives.

Where is the volume to hear the actual gunshot coming from the gun Joe was holding when he got out of the car????

Where is the evidence that it was Joe holding Joe's shotgun which killed the police officers???

Where is the video that reveals gunpowder coming out of Joe's shotgun as the shot/s were fired???

How do we know that Joe just got out of the car and started firing shots???

Is it possible that Joe was doing the best he could to protect his dad from being harmed or killed by the police officers or by whoever else was there at the scene of the murders????

What if Joe just got out of the car raised his gun and said something like "drop your guns or tasers", etc, to disarm them, etc, and then his dad got back in the car and they left without anyone being harmed???

What if the police officers were killed by special/secret agents after Joe and Jerry left the scene????

What if the police officers (or whoever else was there) started to attack/arrest his dad and got their guns out or tasers as part of their kidnap attempt???

What if someone else (or more than one) started firing shots at the police officers and Joe just instinctively got out of the car and started fighting back to protect the innocent police officers and his innocent father????

What if these police officers were killed by special agents, etc, on the scene working for the Powers That Be????

If they had the incontrovertible evidence that Joe killed the police officers why wasn't this footage been released to the public within hours of the murder back in May 20th 2010???

Why has it taken what appears to be over six weeks before such footage was released for mainstream consumption,,, to doctor the footage and design a plausible argument that Jerry and Joe were the culprits etc etc..... that they were being framed/set-up to put a huge negative dent into the freedom-truth movement which sovereigns are fighting for????????

I smell a very big nasty evil dirty PTB scam here of the worst kind imaginable!!!!
On par with the assassinations of JFK, his brother and Martin Luther King......

Things are not what they seem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

Go here to learn what we have been learning and sharing with our brothers and sisters of LIFE across Earth since March 2005: For The Body Of The Love For Life Work by Arthur and Fiona Cristian Which Unravels The Reasons For The Chaos, Mayhem and Confusion Being Experienced In The World Today, Explains The Need For "Community Immunity" and Responsibility, and Focuses On The Creation Of Kindoms - Do No Harm, Life-Sustainable Communities (As The Remedy That Heals All Mans Woes) - And How We Can Co-Create Them. For Comments, Articles And Discussions, Go Here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - Also Go Here To See Podcasts And Videos Posted by Arthur & Fiona Cristian: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7309 - The Information Shared Comes From Inspiration, Intuition, Heartfelt-Logic And Information Gathered From Nature And Many Amazing Men And Women Along The Way. It Is Not Found In Any Books Or Channellings, Or Talked About By "Experts".

Message From Flano

Gday all,

MORE TO THE POINT!!!.

HOW DID THE COP, GET BACK ON TO THE ROAD AFTER HE WAS SHOT ON THE GRASS,
FROM AN APPROX 45 DEGREE ANGLE THE KID SHOT HIM AT????????????

The video show us that the cop chases the father on to the grass, right hand side of the car
the kid gets out with what looks like an assault rifle and start's firing on an angle possibly at 45 degrees.
So you would think that the cop died on the side of the road on the grass beside the car.
Then the next frame of scene the cop is lying in the middle of the road.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like someone has played either with the alleged dead cop tampering with evidence or the whole thing was staged.

.........flano

And another comment from Flano

Reply by house of flano

Gday,

The more that you look at what they have edited the more suss it is .

The alleged kid that jumps out of the van has a widows peak in the front of his hair line, and in the scene in the court room he doesn't have a widows peak in his forehead, not something that would change with a hair cut.

Plus the frame between the time he allegedly pulled the trigger and him getting back in the van is gone.

You dont see him getting back in the van and like magic he is back in the van as the father throw's the paper work through the window.

The 4x4 in front of the cop car in the part you see the cop lying on the road, is not on an angle that you would think the 4x4 would be if he arrived on the scene pointing that way.

Why would you park that side of the car if you pulled up to the scene, it looks like his gone past it and then reversed up to the front of the car, but the angle suggests that he has come from the side which the grass is on, which would have driven over possible evidence because that's where the cop was shot, going on the footage.

No big deal, but it would give the car with the video camera a better shot of the scene.

The footage looks to be edited to show what they want..

....flano

Message From John Galt

Law enforcement officials have still not identified the Kane's as the ones who killed the officers at the traffic stop. However, ALL the headlines presume it and all this drivel, false accusations, guilty until proven innocent articles have condemned them already. The only facts on the table at this point is that the Kane's were killed by law enforcement. The videos are all there. The pictures are all there. The statements by law enforcement and the media are all there but where's the proof?

Where's the video and audio of the Kane's shooting the officers at the traffic stop? NON-EXISTENT! Tell me the West Memphis Police don't have audio and video capabilities in the patrol cars. They should have been able to screen to the public within minutes what happened. This information is still not available. WHY?

Oh, and then the drivel about white Supremacy groups from...oh what did they say 10 maybe 13 years ago that exists no longer? Jerry was not involved with it . I wonder if the van was that old.

It kills me to think of all the tragedy that has been done. I feel for the Kane's (they left family too) and those who knew them and were helped by them. I feel for the officers and their families. I feel for the brothers and sisters in law enforcement who lost some of their own.

But WHERE is the proof that it was the Kane's who killed the officers at the traffic stop? Nothing goes further until that is proved and the videos and audios are aired proving that claim. Otherwise it is nothing but hearsay. This will not end until the people know the truth and the drivel by law enforcement out of their mouths won't prove a thing except a cover-up. Holding back information from the people by law enforcement is a direct violation of the peoples ability to control their government and police forces. It's the peoples information. NOT law enforcement's information. Law enforcement are the peoples SERVANTS.

Here's what my state constitution says...yours says something very similar:

Missouri Constitution | Article I
BILL OF RIGHTS | Section 3
August 28, 2009

Powers of the people over internal affairs, constitution and form of government.

Section 3. That the people of this state have the inherent, sole and exclusive right to regulate the internal government and police thereof, and to alter and abolish their constitution and form of government whenever they may deem it necessary to their safety and happiness, provided such change be not repugnant to the Constitution of the United States.

All those concerned need to make the above their own and post it to every news media outlet posing the Kanes as guilty before proven innocent. ~

John Galt

Message From Jaime

We will miss Jerry and his son Joseph for the love and compassion that they shared with their fellow man and for their tireless contributions and effort in helping those in need. Our condolence and our love go out to Jerry's newlywed wife, Donna Lee. We also pray for the families of the police officers who were injured and killed in today's (5/20/2010) unfortunate shooting incident and we pray that no one should ever have to go through this type of experience ever again. May God bless everyone and allow Love and Peace to abound...

Jaime

Message From Angela

I first met Joe Kane when he was 14. He was a sweet, loving young man with a charming demeanor and a warm smile. Joe had a brilliant mind and quick wit, like his Father. Joe was also blessed with healing hands and he was always willing to help those in need whenever asked. Not into gangs, rap music, or drugs, he was a well rounded, wholesome young man with a healthy outlook and a golden future. Jerry and Joe were clean-cut and admired by everyone that made their acquaintance, not only for their knowledge and understanding of the foreclosure scam, but for their moral ethics and integrity.

Together they educated the people about the Mortgage Fraud and how to fight to keep their homes.

Joe adored his father and was always at his side. This was a terrible tragedy for all involved in what occurred on I40 and I hope and pray that the truth about what really happened will be revealed.

Angela

Funeral & Burial

Funds are now needed to bring Jerry and Joe back home and for their funeral and burial. Please send your contributions to: Waiting on clarification on Jerry's Mother's information and address since she has now taken responsibility for the arrangements.

Link to this posting:

My Private Audio Website

 

Video: White Supremacist preacher kills two cops after traffic stop - 4 Minutes 15 Seconds - WEST MEMPHIS, AR -- Investigators say the Kanes shot and killed West Memphis Police Officers Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans during a traffic stop along I-40 on Thursday, May 20, 2010. Crittenden County Sheriff Richard Busby and his Chief Deputy W.A. Wren were also injured in a shootout that followed in the West Memphis Walmart parking lot, ending with both suspects shot to death. Kane and his son, by all accounts, didn't trust the U.S. Government. They didn't respect it, didn't think the laws that apply to the citizens in this country applied to them. They had particular beliefs and habits, like thinking they didn't need driver's licenses. When those beliefs came into conflict with Officers Paudert and Evans, it was, according to hate group experts and friends of the Kanes, the perfect storm.

 

 

Arkansas Cop Murders: Frame-up of the Patriot Movement?

By Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
21st May 2010

On Thursday, two police officers were fatally shot and two wounded. “Two police officers in West Memphis, Ark., were killed at a traffic stop. The two suspects later died in a shootout with law enforcement in a Walmart parking lot. The Crittenden County sheriff and his top deputy were wounded,” USA Today reported yesterday afternoon. “The suspects, who have not been identified, were killed about an hour later after being spotted at the Walmart Superstore in West Memphis, across the Mississippi River from Memphis, Tenn.”

white minivan 16 year old Joe Kane dead at the scene. Note the missing license plate on the vehicle.

On the surface, the story seems like yet another instance of meaningless violence that resulted in the murder of cops and armed suspects.

However, there is something fishy about the story most of the corporate media is not reporting.

The white Dodge Caravan van used by the two suspects is registered to the House Of God’s Prayer in New Vienna in Clinton County,” WLWT5 in Cincinnati, Ohio, reports today. “Residents said the people who used the church said they were associated with the Aryan Nations and left about 10 years ago.”

The white minivan, according to additional information received by Infowars.com, had a ministry license plate. In the photo below, the vehicle’s license plate is missing.

 

MyFox Memphis identifies the two dead suspects as Jerry Kane and his 16-year old son Joseph Kane.

“Jerry Kane and his beautiful son Joe (age 16)
were shot to death during an alleged traffic stop
by law enforcement on Thursday, May 20th, 2010,”
a post on the My Private Audio website states.
“Jerry, Joe and their two dogs, while on their way back to their home in Florida
have been made out to be everything from drug smugglers to hispanics,
which we all know is typical of the media spinners.
The police said it was a traffic stop.
But their van had more bullet holes in it than Bonnie and Clyde’s.”

 

 

The My Private Audio website features news items and videos covering RFID chips, H1N1 vaccines, and the CFR in addition to handbooks and manuals from the Department of Justice. The site offers TalkShow podcasts by the law activist Tim Turner who advocates The Restore America Plan.

The Restore America Plan came to national attention in April when state governors across the country received letters from a group called Guardians of the Free Republics. According to the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, the letters stated that if governors did not leave office within three days they would be removed.

In response, Homeland Security and the FBI issued a joint advisory cautioning state and local officials that the group “could inspire or provoke violence from others,” given that “they advocate for their views through the use, support, or facilitation of violence or illegal conduct,” according to CBS News.

In fact, the Guardians of the Free Republics group has consistently advocated non-violence and a philosophy based on the teachings of Martin Luther King, Jr. and Mohandas Gandhi.

The site also offers a video class on mortgage foreclosure by the suspect Jerry Kane. Kane and his son “educated the people about the Mortgage Fraud and how to fight to keep their homes,” explains the above linked memorial.

Article & Video: WLWT5 report on van registered to Aryan Nations. - Van In Arkansas Shootout Registered In Tri-State - POSTED: 10:34 pm EDT May 20, 2010

It is significant that the WLWT news story links the white minivan allegedly used by Kane and his son to the Aryan Nations.

As the case of the professional provocateur Hal Turner reveals, the FBI specializes in creating white supremacists and using them to discredit the patriot movement.

“For at least five years, and probably more, Turner was a paid informant and provocateur in the employ of the world’s largest sponsor of terrorism, the Federal Government. His assignment was to bait easily influenced people with incendiary rhetoric about race and other resentments, and reel in anyone who bit a little too lustily on the bait. The Bureau credits Turner with personally bringing more than 100 “extremists” to their attention, many of whom (the Bureau won’t specify how many) were arrested,” writes William Norman Grigg.

In addition to the FBI, the Southern Poverty Law Center has been linked to white supremacist groups. In December of 2003, the McCurtain Daily Gazette obtained an unclassified copy of a memorandum marked From the Director of the FBI containing an acknowledgment that the SPLC was engaged in an undercover role at the white supremacist compound at Elohim City linked to the OKC bombing and Timothy McVeigh. Elohim City was crawling with government operatives, including the known German intelligence asset Andreas Carl Strassmeier.

In the 1970s, the Church Committee and internal FBI documents revealed that more than one quarter of all active Klan members during the 1960s were FBI agents or informants.

The Aryan Nations angle reported by WLWT in Cincinnati fits the FBI’s modus operandi. It also dovetails with the ongoing corporate media campaign designed to portray and discredit the patriot movement as racist, an especially urgent agenda now that Tea Party activists are turning establishment politicos out of office.

It appears Kane and his son were involved in the growing anti-foreclosure movement and at least peripherally associated with the states’ right and sovereignty movement. From the circumstantial evidence now coming in it looks like the government — on the heels of its failure to definitively set-up the Hutaree — are attempting to frame Kane and his son as violent white supremacists. Dead men, of course, cannot make their case in court.

The DHS report on “rightwing extremism” and the MIAC report attempt to establish a link between white supremacists and the constitutional and patriot movements.

So far the details emerging fit a well-established government pattern.

Does it make sense that an expert in foreclosure would engage in a shoot-out with police, especially with his teenage son and the family dogs in the vehicle? Do white supremacists usually conduct seminars in mortgages and foreclosure?

Something is rotten in Denmark and Arkansas.

Addendum

It appears Jerry Kane was opposed to Border Patrol checkpoints. The My Private Audio website contains an audio recording where he talks about New Mexico police arresting him at a “Nazi checkpoint where they were demanding papers or jail.”

Link to this article: http://www.infowars.com/arkansas-cop-murders-frame-up-of-the-patriot-mov...

 

ARKANSAS POLICE OFFICERS SHOT; POSSIBLE OHIO ARYAN NATION CONNECTION

By OnePeoplesProject.com
Friday, 21st May 2010 04:16

One month before an Ohio contingent of Aryan Nations is set to march in Gettysburg Memorial Park, we get this news: a shootout in Arkansas ends with West Memphis Police Officers Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans dead and police learning that the van in this picture was registered to an Aryan Nations associate.

The WPs over at Stormfront are doing as much as they can to distance themselves from the shooting and the persons involved. They are even trying to suggest that there is no way Aryan Nations could be involved as Aryan Nations went belly up ten years ago. But even if those involved with this shooting are not tight with the Aryan Nations crew from Chillicothe, Ohio, the group doing Gettysburg on June 19, the Aryan Nations people in question still were active last time we checked.

The name "Hoge Tabor" is coming up in relation to this shooting. Hoge might be sweating a few bullets right about now because there are pics somewhere about of Hoge hanging out with a few people in a hotel room after some WP meeting in Ohio, among them not only Aryan Nations leaders like the late Ray Redfeairn who died in 2003, but also White Power radio host, Sean Hannity friend and FBI Informant Hal Turner.

Even more curious, the New Vienna church this van is connected to is the same one that the infamous Kehoe Brothers were coming from when they got into a shootout with a police officer in '97. This story is still developing, so there will definitely be more. But sadly, we have to chalk this up to yet another example of the domestic terrorism that conservatives ran defense for when Janet Napolitano and Eric Holder called attention to it last year. Food for thought.

WLWT

WEST MEMPHIS, Ark. -- A shooting in West Memphis has been linked to the Tri-State.

Two West Memphis police officers were killed when they pulled over a white Dodge Caravan on the west side of the city.

The white Dodge Caravan van used by the two suspects is registered to the House Of God's Prayer in New Vienna in Clinton County. Residents said the people who used the church said they were associated with the Aryan Nation and left about 10 years ago.

One of the officer's killed was identified as 39-year-old Brandon Paudert, whose father is the chief of police, Bob Paudert.

The chief said his son and Officer Bill Evans had pulled the van over when the shootout started. His son was part of a drug interdiction unit. Evans also died of his wounds.

Memphis Safety Director Larry Godwin said Crittenden County Sheriff Richard Busby and his chief deputy were wounded during a second shootout with the suspects.

The two suspects were killed in the second shooting. A spokesman at the Regional Medical Center said Busby's condition was undetermined while Deputy W.A. Wren was in critical condition.

Arkansas State Police said local police are handling the investigation.

Link to this article: http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=artic...

 

Jerry and Joe Kane: Heroes or Villains/Villeins?

By Marvin
A Latino journalist in San Francisco
Saturday, May 22, 2010
(Updated 5-24-2010)
http://heros-heroines.blogspot.com

Below is an e-mail from a Latino Journalist in San Francisco, and at KTHV, Little Rock, Arkansas you can read one of the official stories about Jerry and Joe Kane on their website. KTHV's article is entitled West Memphis police shooting: Suspects Jerry, Joseph Kane.

There is more posted to the DavidIcke.com forum.

--- On Sat, 5/22/10, Reporteroad @ aol.com wrote:

My personal testimony about Jerry:

I had the honor to have cooked dinner for Jerry and Joe Kane at my place in several occasions. And I did it as if I were doing it for a King and a Prince. They helped me save my rental housing unit from an Unlawful Detainer and from losing my newspaper business from a crook lawyer on a collection agency's lawsuit. The same occurred to other Latinos who had the pleasure of meeting Jerry and Joe who also shared a dinner or lunch with them, and who were in great need of legal remedy. The two were inseparable.

Young attendants who came with their parents to some of Jerry's seminars in SF were delighted to see Joe, a young man of about their same age, talk so eloquently about the law and history. He inspired this one young man, the son of a SF Police Officer, a couple of years ago. The youth, I was told by his father (who attended Jerry's seminar in several occasions), has been studying the law since then.

When Jerry was in the Bay Area, he lived on several occasions with Latino families. So fond was Joe of our culture, that he was learning Spanish. He spoke with me on several occasions and I corrected his pronunciation and taught him a few new words. I also taught Joe a couple times guitar notes... he seemed interested and was enjoying it. I regret I not giving him a guitar a was thinking of providing him with at the time.

I met Jerry and Joe in 2007.

He was a great man, a real human being who loved people and did everything he could to help others without interest for money."Give me for the gas and food and I will go there," he said when my friend Adiliawas about to lose her beautiful house in Lake Tahoe. And the same was at other occasions.

What the corporate news media is doing now, by interviewing the enemies of the Freedom Movement in the United States and publishing conflicting and inaccurate information about Jerry Kane - which associate him with the evilness of racism - is with the intention of tainting a whole movement that is awakening from the tyranny of the elite bankers. What they are saying are pure lies. The Second Amendment to the US Constitution clearly gives every American the license to own and carry a gun. And if Jerry owned one was because he feared for his life. And I have a feeling something extraordinary might have happened in that West Memphis highway on that day, in Arkansas, that caused the tragedy that killed the two police officers and Jerry and Joe and one of their two dogs.

Jerry, a legal seminarist, taught skills in how the people could defend themselves. He never advocated violence. His legal power was much powerful than firepower. But he felt the government wanted to silence him for uncovering the truth about mortgage fraud, information that is now filling up the court houses around the country by the people, and finding out that there is a legal remedy to their debts. And the goal of Jerry was that: teach as many as he could the tools for finding and executing their remedy.

In the name of all Latinos who benefited from the teaching and friendship of Jerry, may Jerry and Joe's souls rest in peace in the Kingdom of God.

Let's all send money donations to Donna Lee Kane to help her afford the expenses of transporting their bodies to Florida and to provide a Christian burial to our two brothers now physically dead.

Funds are now needed. Please send your contributions to:

Donna Lee c/o 501 N Madison Avenue Clearwater, Florida 33755 or Paypal to deelaeesa @ hotmail.com

Marvin,

A Latino journalist in San Francisco

Hear Donna Lee's telephone interview with Anna Marie at WMC TV-5 Memphis.

 

Video: Jerry Kane & Sovereign Citizens of the Mid South - 3 Minutes 26 Seconds - After the recent death of two West Memphis police officers after a traffic stop. Here's a further look at shooter Jerry Kane, and individuals who identify themselves as Sovereign Citizens here in the Memphis, TN. area.

 

16 days before the shooting, the good people of West Memphis, Arkansas were calling for the resignation of Police Chief Paudert. Maybe someone had it in for this guy and took out his son and nephew as a payback and set up Jerry and Joe to take the blame. Where is the patrol car audio and video? All we have is what the media is telling us. No factual witnesses or anything! We demand to see the patrol car videos, hear the police audio and we also want to see what was captured on the traffic cams!

New Call For West Memphis Police Chief & NAACP Head To Resign
Critics Say Chief Paudert Has Shown A Pattern of Hypocracy[sic] and Racism


By Alex Coleman

6th May 2010 6:20 PM CDT

FAST FACTS:

* Group Calls For Chief Bob Paudert To Resign
* They Say Paudert Has Shown A Pattern Of Racism
* Critics Also Want Their Local NAACP President To Stepdown

(West Memphis, AR 5/6/2010) There are new calls for the West Memphis Police Chief
and the local president of the West Memphis NAACP to resign.

This follows the recent arrest of City Council Member Marco McClendon on domestic
violence charges involving his girlfriend.

At least two city council members, a member of the NAACP, and others held a news conference at city hall criticizing Chief Bob Paudert and the local president of the NAACP.

Lawrence Brown is a member of the West Memphis NAACP.

He says Paudert has not been fair to the African American community.

Brown said, "Chief Bob Paudert is a racist. His behavior toward the black community is despicable and his officers have acted with neglect and brutal policing and I think he needs to go immediately."

Paudert says he's not a hypocrite and he's not a racist, and that he has no plans to resign.

He also says his working relationship with the NAACP president has angered a few NAACP members in West Memphis, "It's not the entire organization, not the president of the NAACP. I have met several times. We are going to work together. Those don't see that and they don't like her working with me."

West Memphis Mayor William Johnson was confronted by Paudert's critics at City Hall.

Johnson defended the mayor, "The police chief has broken no law, no city ordinance, no police department policy. Up until he does, he has my complete support."

Critics of the police chief also accuse Paudert of showing a double standard for Officer D.J. Oclaire when he was arrested on for domestic battery charge similar to McClendon's.

Paudert says the officer was disciplined and punished.

Read Article & all 55 comments here

 

Except For The First Letter A Name Is Generally Not Capitalized
So What Is The Purpose Of Capitalizing A Name On Any Document?

Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Edition defines one's "legal name" as ". . . a given or baptismal name, usually assumed at birth, and a surname deriving from the common name of the parents."

Except for the first letter, one's name is generally not capitalized. So what would be the purpose of capitalizing one's name on any document?

Here are some 'doublespeak' reasons to 'capitalize' one's 'name' / 'title' :

Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Edition defines capitalization as representing " . . . the total amount of the various securities issued by a corporation. Capitalization may include bonds, debentures, preferred and common stock and surplus. Bonds and debentures are usually carried on the books of the issuing company in terms of their par or face value. . . . "

See, also The American Heritage Dictionary; Capitalization:
1. a. The practice or act of capitalizing.
b. The sum that results from capitalizing.
2. a. The amounts and types of long-term financing used by a firm, including common stock, preferred stock, retained earnings, and long-term debt.
b. The total par value or stated value of no-par capital stock issues.
3. The use of capital letters in writing or printing.

THE BOTTOM LINE:
Because 'Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness (inclusive of "absolute ownership" of property)' is "unalienable"; ALL LAW IS CONTRACTUAL.

'BAR' - 'NONE!' (Yes. Pun was indeed intended.)

* * * * * * * * * * * *

From Bouvier's Law Dictionary 1856 Edition:

VILLAIN., An epithet used to cast contempt and contumely on the person to whom it is applied.

2. To call a man a villain in a letter written to a third person, will entitle him to an action without proof of special damages. 1 Bos. & Pull. 331.

VILLEIN, Engl. law. A species of slave during the feudal times.'

2. The feudal villein of the lowest order was unprotected as to property, and subjected to the post ignoble services; but his circumstances were very different from the slave of the southern states, for no person was, in the eye of the law, a villein, except as to his master; in relation to all other persons he was a freeman. Litt. Ten. s. 189, 190; Hallam's View of the Middle Ages, vol. i. 122, 124; vol. ii. 199.

VILLENOUS JUDGMENT, punishments. In the English law it was a judgment given by the common law in attaint, or in cases of conspiracy.

2. Its effects were to make the object of it lose his liberam legem, and become infamous. He forfeited his goods and chattels, and his lands during life; and this barbarous judgment further required that his lands should be wasted, his houses razed, his trees rooted up, and that his body should be cast into-prison. He 'could not be a juror or witness. Burr. 996, 1027; 4 Bl. Com. 136.

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Officers Killed In West Memphis

By Jody Callahan, Cindy Wolff
The Commercial Appeal: commercialappeal.com
Posted May 20, 2010 at 12:24 p.m. , updated May 20, 2010 at 11:58 p.m.


Mike Douglas/The Evening Times - Sgt. Brandon Paudert (left) and Officer Bill Evans (right) of the West Memphis Police Department were shot to death today following a traffic stop on Interstate 40. The officers are seen in this file photo, courtesy of The Evening Times, after 13 large bricks of drugs were found on an 18-wheeler on April 8.

The bloodiest day for area law enforcement officials began with routine-sounding radio broadcasts that West Memphis Police Chief Bob Paudert and his wife heard from their car.

One was from their son, Sgt. Brandon Paudert, reporting that he was providing backup for a traffic stop on Interstate 40

Moments later, however, came a chilling transmission: "Officer down."

The elder Paudert rushed to the scene to find his 39-year-old son, a seven-year veteran with the West Memphis force, lying dead on the pavement, shot in the head and neck, still gripping his service weapon.

That sequence, confirmed by a law enforcement source, ushered in 90 minutes of horror and chaos Thursday that left two West Memphis police officers dead and the two top officers with the Crittenden County Sheriff's Department wounded.

The two suspects also were killed. Authorities declined to identify them, but The Commercial Appeal talked to three people late Thursday who said they recognized their relatives and the van from photos and videos. They said one of the suspects was a 16-year-old boy and the other was his father.

Although there have been a few double-murders of officers in past decades, the toll from the separate gunbattles Thursday apparently was the greatest suffered by Memphis-area law enforcement agencies in a single day.

In addition to Paudert, West Memphis officer Bill Evans was killed and Sheriff Dick Busby and Deputy Chief W.A. Wren were wounded. Late Thursday, Busby was in stable condition at Regional Medical Center at Memphis, while Wren was upgraded from critical to serious condition.

"The men and women of the West Memphis Police Department are deeply saddened," Asst. Chief Mike Allen said Thursday afternoon, holding back tears. "When something like this occurs, we come together as a family."

The tragic day began at 11:36 a.m. on Interstate 40 when Evans radioed in that he was pulling over a white minivan with Ohio license plates near mile marker 275. The van pulled off the interstate onto an off-ramp near College Boulevard.

A few minutes later, Paudert, Evans' backup in the Criminal Interdiction Unit, arrived on the scene. Suddenly, one of the two suspects in the van wrestled Evans to the ground. Gunfire rang out toward both officers from a "long rifle" and a handgun, police said.

Somehow, and police aren't sure exactly how, a broadcast went out at 11:50 a.m.: "Officer down."

Chief Paudert, answering his phone on the scene shortly after the shooting, confirmed that his son was dead. Evans was airlifted to Regional Medical Center at Memphis, where he was was pronounced dead.

That sparked a massive manhunt by every law enforcement agency in the area, including Memphis and Shelby County, in case the subjects fled across the river.

At about 1:06 p.m., someone spotted the van in the parking lot of the West Memphis Walmart.

What happened next is still the subject of confusion, one of many things investigators with the Arkansas State Police will have to decipher.

Dozens of shots rang out, both from the two suspects and the officers, but investigators are uncertain exactly who fired.

Busby and Wren were hit, with Busby taking a shot in the shoulder and Wren taking three in the abdomen.

At that point, an unknown wildlife officer with the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission, part of the manhunt, rammed his pickup into the side of the minivan, disabling it.

"If it hadn't been for him, they'd probably have killed Wren and Busby outright," said Al Boals, a former West Memphis mayor visiting the family at The Med.

More than 30 officers swarmed the van after the shootout. The suspects' bodies were pulled out, then thrown on a grassy median and the parking lot.

A helicopter airlifted Wren to The Med, while an ambulance took Busby. Family and law-enforcement personnel quickly joined them.

Arkansas State Police spokesman Bill Sadler declined to discuss details of the investigation or provide any information about the suspects, including their identities, possible motives and what was found in the van.

"There (are) some very important pieces of information that need to be gathered," he said. "We're not certain of anything until we get the report back and evidence from the state crime laboratory."

Authorities say the van was registered to House of God's Prayer, 143 Main in New Vienna, Ohio.

The Wilmington (Ohio) News Journal quoted New Vienna Police Chief James Holcomb as saying he has not seen any activity at the storefront church.

According to the public-records firm Accurint, that same address was associated with a deceased white supremacist named Harold R. Redfeairn.

The Associated Press reported in 2003 that Redfeairn headed a chapter of the Church of Jesus Christ Christian in New Vienna. The church espouses the white-supremacist doctrine of the Aryan Nations.

Meanwhile, the street outside of the former House of God's Prayer church in New Vienna was quiet Thursday night except for the flurry of local and regional news media who descended on the village of 1,300 residents.

During the 90 minutes that the suspects were at large, West Memphis schools were locked down. Police set up roadblocks at bridges over the Mississippi River, checking vehicles for the suspects. Memphis police and Shelby County sheriff's deputies were posted at all I-40 exits.

At Walmart, the scene remained chaotic as police cordoned off the area.

Iesha Person, 19, arrived at about 1:20 p.m. to start her shift at the store. Other employees ran out the door and told her to turn around.

"I was hearing gunshots," she said. "They were telling me to turn around. So I turned my tail around."

Both Evans and the younger Paudert were part of the criminal interdiction team, which has a dangerous job of stopping cars in a city where two interstates meet.

"There are lots of drug dealers and criminal elements passing through that city," said Oakland Police Chief Rick Jewell, a former assistant chief in West Memphis. "There's a lot of drugs and a lot of money."

Added Shelby County Sheriff Mark Luttrell: "Drug interdiction is a rough business."

This makes at least the third West Memphis officer killed in the line of duty. Michael Waters, 24, was thrown from a car during a pursuit on Sept. 11, 2003. Another officer then accidentally ran over Waters as he lay on the pavement.

Memphis Police Director Larry Godwin, who rushed to The Med, said, "From an emotional standpoint of all law enforcement, this breaks the heart of every agency around. I've known Chief Paudert for 36 years. It's unbelievable the hurt and pain this has caused his family."


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Top US Spy Chief Quits After Obama Orders 2 Americans Assassinated

By: Sorcha Faal,
And as reported to her Western Subscribers
23rd May 2010

An interesting Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report prepared for Prime Minister Putin circulating in the Kremlin today states that Obama’s top spy chief Admiral Dennis Blair [photo top left with Obama] abruptly resigned on Friday after the US President ordered the “immediate assassination” of an anti-government dissident and his 16 year old son in the US State of Arkansas.

As the Director of National Intelligence, Admiral Blair controlled 16 US spy agencies (including the Homeland Security Department, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Coast Guard) and had warned the US Congress this past February that for the first time in American history Obama’s government was asserting the right to assassinate any American citizen they deemed was a terrorist.

Obama’s power to order the assassination of American citizens without benefit of trial, this reports says, was derived from what is called the “Memorandum Opinion For the Deputy Counsel To The President” that was issued to former President George W. Bush on September 25, 2001 granting him (and all future American Presidents) extraordinary “constitutional power” to retaliate against any person, organization, or State suspected of involvement in terrorist attacks on the United States.

Now according to this SVR report, Jerry Kane Jr. and his 16 year old son Joseph Kane [photo 2nd left] were put on the US terrorist “watch list” by Obama Federal Police officials because of Kane’s growing following of Americans seeking to find relief from the financial crisis imposed upon their country by their banking system.

Kane and his son were reported to have left Las Vegas, Nevada this past Tuesday where they had given one of their financial seminars (May 15-16) and were enroute to Safety Harbor, Florida to deliver another one on May 28-29 when while traveling through the State of Arkansas they were intercepted by what the US media is calling one of Obama’s “interrogation teams” at an Interstate highway roadblock where a shootout occurred killing 2 US police officers.

US media further reports that Kane and his son were “tracked down” 90 minutes after the initial roadblock shootout to a Wal-Mart parking lot where in a hail of bullets both Kane and his son were killed and another 2 US police officers were wounded.

Bill Sadler, an Arkansas State Police spokesman, is reported by the New York Times to have said it is “unclear” why Kane and his son were targeted in this roadblock in the first place.

This SVR report, however, states that upon nearing the roadblock Kane and his son came under fire from US military snipers targeting them for assassination whereupon fire was returned from Kane’s vehicle allowing them to escape death but resulting in the other police officers deaths.

After escaping, this report continues, a “furious” Admiral Blair called the White House to “demand” an explanation of what was occurring only to be “firmly rebuffed” by Obama officials who had set up this assassination plot causing Blair to “angrily retort” he would have nothing more to do with Obama and his resignation would be on the President’s desk “as soon as I write the fucking thing up”.

Once Admiral Blair was “sidelined” by the White House, this SVR report further states, Obama officials ordered their forces to “terminate” both Kane and his son so the true facts of this assassination would never reach a court of law, and which occurred when Kane and his son were gunned down by an estimated 80 military, federal and local police personal.

To the treasonous crime Kane and his son were assassinated for, a Maryland-based insurance analyst, who had previously testified before the US Congress, named JJ MacNab, said she had been tracking him for 2 years and claimed Kane’s seminar business was “centered on debt-avoidance scams”. An SVR analysis of Kane’s seminar though (posted in 7 parts on YouTube) states that far from being a “scam” it appears to offer a legitimate course of action, that if taken by Americans would indeed free them from the stranglehold put upon them by their banking system.

Also interesting to note in this SVR report is that earlier in the week another American anti-tax dissident group named [delete for US-EU report] located in Williamsport, Pennsylvania was assaulted by United Nations troops (UN) allowed to operate in the United States by Obama and destroyed the entire facility with an explosion so loud it was heard throughout the region.

Though not reported by the mainstream propaganda US media, the existence of this UN assault convoy roaming rural Pennsylvania this past week was reported on by their dissident news reports, and as we can read as reported by one of them named InfoWars.Com:

“At approximately 0715 a convoy of 25-30 camouflaged military, Humvees and armored vehicles with UN markings was observed traveling westbound between State College, PA, and Milroy, PA on US. Route 322.

At approximately 0900 the same member encountered another convoy of UNMARKED military vehicles, refueling at Toms’s Travel Center on U.S. Route 322 at Milroy, PA. The member tried to engage the troops, but was ignored. They were in uniforms without insignia, but the covers did have ranks, from colonel to private. Convoy was a similar size, with Humvees and personnel carriers.”

To all of these latest events occurring in the United States the most surprising thing about them are that so many Americans are still unaware of what is happening to them, or why. But to the future they are entering into it can be best summed up by the quote of the great English writer George Orwell who warned them all many years ago…. “If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.”

Unfortunately for the Americans who now have a government ordering the assassination of all who oppose them, that future is now.

© May 23, 2010 EU and US all rights reserved

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1. Boblobslaw Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:30 pm

Road blocks ect, are illegal you have a right to defend yourself with correct force if your inalienable rights to travel are abridged.

With that being said.

It’s too bad the shooters who did this aren’t alive to tell there tales about how snooty/jack booted authorities tried to invade their inalienable space while traveling.

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NWO is Tyranny Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 4:23 pm

We should pray for the dead and their families.

That being said, I wonder what is going on here. Arkansas is the “political” murder capitol of the USA.

Old lady Clinton, Bill Clinton and the street thug Bary all love the sell of blood.

I guess it isn’t that big a leap to accept that our government would kill a couple of Police Officers when you look at 9-11 and all the wars.

The Democrats are running scared and the NWO is going ballistic trying to stop the Patriot Movement. Bang Bang you’re dead.

May they rest in peace.

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conscientious objector Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 4:56 pm

Keep your eyes on North Korea. Hillary Clinton has warned North Korea must face international consequences over the sinking of a Southern warship in March.

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peasantrock2 Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 8:18 pm

But of course you will NEVER here the news report on what the police officers may have done to intimidate, or provoke the shoot out, you’ll just hear how dangerous the individuals were & how no matter what, the suspects were to blame for the violence. I’ve seen enough police harassment video’s on you tube & elsewhere to know that cops here lately have been getting waaaay out of hand & the public just has to such it up & take their abuse, no matter what the circumstance. Now I’m not justifying this act of violence, or suggesting that these guys were right by shoot at these cops, but people don’t usually react in such a dramatic manner, unless they are wanted, feeling threatened, or in some way feel intimidated. Before anyone jumps on me for speaking my mind on this subject, I’d ask you to keep the recent Columbia MO. SWAT raid in mind. Also, how many simple traffic stops have ended in the unprovoked deaths of the driver? The police need to think about how their actions are making the public fear them, to the point of people then overreacting in ways such as this. Just my two cents!

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The Documentarian Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 11:42 am

Ok, we know LEO are people and citizens are people. psychological studies that have since been banned prove one thing. People with power will over use it and those being oppressed become subservient, even though it was a false scenario. In the end it became real, even though before the study, they were equal with one another. With that said, we come to realize authority and allow it to exist over us for the benefit of safety and well-being. Let us take a look at an guestimation of cops were in the right v/s the citizens were in the right. The ratio must be at minimum 100:1 and let me remind you this is without mathematics. I would put the number much higher in the favor of LEO. That trend alone proves something. One would be that LEO are always correct in what they do and that they have authority over a subservient citizens. Another would be that LEO have been giving the ability to use authority by the citizen, in order to protect the law and the citizen. I mean after all citizens are LEO, so they are one in the same working together for equal benefits.

We do not have proof about the actual events that occurred the day in question, but to me it would be safe to say, the cops, as always, over-used their authority and the citizens in the caravan were not as subservient as the cops demanded. It is rather baffling to me how weapons were introduced into the event. I would rather not speculate, but there is truth to be gained.

Has anyone ever noticed how people call out issues with government as “Nazi” issues and how either media or the actual people involved label the persons “Arian” or of similar organisations. It seems that both sides of the argument want to show their opponent in relation to Hitlers Ethics. Their can be only one with the right answer, so I leave it up to you to choose which.

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rebel hill Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:22 pm

This is obamas Change. Thats what it is nothing Else.

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OOPS Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 6:02 pm

Well…. Still no dashcam video from doright boys YET!
WHERE IS IT FOLKS?????
WE’LL NEVER NEVER SEE IT I BET YOU STILL.

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OOPS Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

STILL NO video released but just saw on WREG tv where reporter says 16yr old fired first!

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An European Voize Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 9:56 pm

she is waiting to command “torch them” again, the way she did to get
the Waco B.D. community tortured and killed
how many dead bodies have to fall out there shrine before
people start to take over

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rebel hill Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:24 pm

We Need to Carry our weapons everywhere we go and and protect orur citizens everytime we See something like this transpiring.

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Highlanderess Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 8:58 am

It’s too late to pray for the dead. They’ve already had their future decided by someone greater than us.

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Cuda Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:03 am

Pray tell, is it ur delusional invisible man god with the eternal hush mouth? The never saves the first baby from getting beaten to death saviour?

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TT Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:46 am

Could this be why? ww.whatdoesitmean.com/index1373.htm

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TJ Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:42 pm

whatdoesitmean dot com = Sorcha Faal:

“Sorcha Faal… Internet Hoax Queen Courtesy of One David Booth”

“….part of the Zionist disinfo team that pumps out misinformation and confusing constructs as part of the overall agenda of “DECEPTION” which is the hallmark of Zionism’s modus operandi.”

Maybe TT = David Booth?

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yahsharahla Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 5:10 pm

you have no rights as a u.s corporate citizen, you fall under colorable law…and that right to travel applies to sovereigns , moorsor , indigenious people have unalienable rights, you have no nationality so you have no rights but mere privileges….although i must say you do have the right to travel , but it doesnt prevent you from being arrested or stopped, so you will have to know how to deal with that in court and how to present the law in its correct form, which would take 2 to 3 tries of appealing the case which they will find you guilty at first in traffic court whcich is not a recorders court , but administrative court a bank basicly being traveling isnt a crime , but driving is for a u.s citizen when he or she is pulled over that donot know the difference of traveling and driving inwhich that what they get you to agree to that you are driving and not traveling…which is the trap

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Smokey Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 5:30 pm

You make about as much sense as your government????

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yahsharahla Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 5:46 pm

THATS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEGDE , AS I , OR THE GOVT DO…THATS WHY YOUR IN THE DARK AND WE ARE THE LIGHT…SO LONG SUCKERS…YOUR A FOREIGNER THAT HAVE U.S CITIZENSHIP THAT CAN BE REVOKED…I DONOT AS A MOOR…WHICH IS A NATIONALITY

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Observer Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 7:28 am

What? Please find an interpeter to decipher this encrypted material.

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andrew james Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 5:43 pm

I wish I knew of some of these unalienable rights for indigenous people. I can tell you that I have the right to get beaten and left for dead in the middle of the night at Paranoid Park. I then have the right to regain consciousness and see a flashlight in my face and hear “You’re going to detox boy”.

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NWO is Tyranny Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 8:55 am

andrew james

regain consciousness, what consciousness? andrew james, you’re a space cadet.

andrew james, fortunately you don’t need a lot of awareness or mental acuity to shovel sh**, perform as a toilet room attendant or shine shoes all jobs that you almost qualify for.

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rebel hill Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 7:17 pm

We need to have a meeting.

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OOPS Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 7:03 pm

Hello ALL! I am a Memphian.(TN) All the “AUTHORITIES” around here have called this area a
“DRUG CORRIDOR” for years as a reason to stop “ANY AND ALL” vehicles with out of state tags. That’s what this was,stopped because they had out of state tags plain and simple!
WARRANTLESS ARREST OR WHATEVER ELSE THEY CAN DO.
ALSO TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF ALEX AND CREW is that WE memphians have put up with roadblocks for years up until about 4 yrs ago they cut them WAY back. OFFICERS writting tickets for no seatbelt 2 years befor an seatbelt law was even on the books in TENN. MEMPHIS CITY OFFICERS WRITTING NO SEATBELT TICKETS “OUTSIDE” THEIR JURISDICTION (IN SHELBY CO.).WE RECENTLY HAVE HAD A BARTLETT CITY OFFICER GO INTO MEMPHIS CITY TO ISSUE A WARRANT(OUTSIDE OF HIS JURIDICTION) AND THE PERSON TO RECEIVE THE WARRANT ENDED UP DEAD FROM GUNSHOT FROM THE BARTLETT OFFICER’S GUN. IN WHICH THE PERSON WAS A BLACK MAN AT HIS HOME OUTSIDE BARTLETTS JURISDICTION. SO,
REV.AL SHARPTON HAS ENTERED ON DEAD MANS BEHALF. OUR LOCAL NEWS HAS SAID “THAT THE BARTLETT OFFICER “FOLLOWED PROCEDURE” AND NOTIFIED MEMPHIS POLICE OF HIM ENTERING THE CITY OF MEMPHIS TO SERVE HIS WARRANT.”!!!!!!!!!!!BS HUH!
CAN WE SAY “FEDERALIZED”?
THE BIGGEST PART OF ALL OF THIS IS THAT THE HEAD OF THE “TEA PARTY” OF THIS AREAS OFFICE IS IN BARTLETT. SOUND FISHY TO ANYONE? YET? BARTLETT and GERMANTOWN were
the first in this area to install traffic cameras and the likes. THEY drive their own “UNMARKED”
vehicles (mostly SUVs) AND MAKE STOPS ALL THE TIME in these vehicles.FISHY YET?
I don’t have “numbers” but I’ll bet they have taken all the FED monies they can get.
So,I, in knowing what has been going on in this area have avoided “TEA PARTY” events with the knowledge of them all. But it doesn’t end there folks! Very recently we had mild flooding in a few areas around memphis and the news reported that ILLEGAL ALIENS would not come forward to file claims for FEMA help after the floods. Then the memphis mayor came on and said “WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU AND TO COME AND GET THE HELP”. ???? Sound like a city that does not care if “ILLEGALS” ARE HERE? But I can garrantee all of you that if a “CITIZEN” had been caught in any ILLEGAL actions in the midst of the so called “RESCUES” they would have gone to jail!!!! SOUND LIKE A “SANCTUARY CITY” or area YET?
THESE PEOPLE IN THIS VAN IN WEST MEMPHIS,ARK. WERE STOPPED BECAUSE THEY WERE FROM OUT OF STATE WITH OUT OF STATE TAGS ON THEIR VAN. THE INITIAL STOP APPEARANTLY WAS MADE BY THE HEAD OFFICER OF THE DRUG INTERDICTION TEAM.FISHY?
I MYSELF HAVE BEEN STOPPED IN ARK. WITH TENN. TAGS FOR NO REASON. THE FIRST STOP THE OFFICER TOLD ME I HAD A LOW TIRE WHICH WAS NOT LOW AT ALL! THE SECOND STOP THE OFFICER HAD NO EXPLANATION AS TO WHY HE STOPPED ME, SO I TOOK IT AS HE THINKS HE’S A BADASS THAT CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS IN HIS CITY OR STATE.
I SAY THESE TWO IN THE VAN WERE “FED” UP WITH THE I’M A BADASS AND I’LL STOP WHOEVER I WANT TYPES AND DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I do not agree with their actions but if they did stand up to the BS I SAY HOORAY FOR THEM.
AS FOR THE TWO WOUNDED OFFICERS THEY MAY HAVE BEEN HIT BY THEIR OWN OFFICERS GUN FIRE. FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN NO ONE TRIED TO GET THE TWO IN THE VAN TO GIVE UP THE OFFICERS JUST OPENED FIRE ON THE VAN WITH FULLAUTO WEAPONS IN WHICH MAY BE WHERE THE TWO WOUNDED OFFICERS WERE WOUNDED.
BUT LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL HUH!
MAY PEACE BE WITH ALL THE OFFICERS AND THEIR FAMILIES , BUT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN WAY IN THE WRONG.

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TT Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:48 am

Definitely in the wrong ww.whatdoesitmean.com/index1373.htm

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TJ Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:43 pm

whatdoesitmean dot com = Sorcha Faal:

“Sorcha Faal… Internet Hoax Queen Courtesy of One David Booth”

“….part of the Zionist disinfo team that pumps out misinformation and confusing constructs as part of the overall agenda of “DECEPTION” which is the hallmark of Zionism’s modus operandi.”

Maybe TT is David Booth?

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NWO is Tyranny Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 am

Clinton Casualties
Arkancide” or “Arkansas Suicide
A “Casualty” is defined as anyone threatened with harm or actually harmed because of their knowledge of and/or involvement in one or more of the Clinton Scandals.
The following is a partial list of a large number of persons who who are presumed to be “Casualties” of the various Clinton scandals. President Clinton had promised his political supporters in Arkansas he will devote a lot of time going after detractors who pursued him on Whitewater and other ethical questions. (USA Today, November 8, 1996). It is a partial list because new addditions are added regularly and the full extent of being associated with Bill Clinton is not completly known.

The accounting of these mysterious deaths began in 1994 when in a letter to congressional leaders, former Rep. William Dannemeyer listed 24 people with some connection to Clinton who had died “under other than natural circumstances” and called for hearings on the matter. Dannemeyer’s list of “suspicious deaths” was largely taken from one compiled by Linda Thompson, an Indianapolis lawyer, containing the names of 34 people she believed died suspiciously and who had ties to the Clinton family.

Some of the “Casualties” were openly murdered, but many were killed in such a way so that their deaths could be ruled accidents or suicides. This was especially true if they died in Arkansas where the medical examiners routinely ruled apparent murders as either accidents or suicides when it suited political purposes. In fact, this was so common that it was often referred to as “Arkancide” or “Arkansas Suicide”.

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NWO is Tyranny Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 8:43 am

The following is a list of people connected with Bill Clinton who have died suddenly or under unusual Circumstances:

Coincidence?

James McDougal – Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement for refusing to testify as a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

Vince Foster – Former white House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. Victor Raiser II – & – Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor”.

Ed Willey – Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater. Kathy Ferguson -Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere.

Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible Corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

Bill Shelton – Arkansas state Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

Florence Martin – Accountant sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.

Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993 Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

Barry Seal – Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident.

Johnny Lawhorn Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

Stanley Huggins – Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation.

Controversial case here-initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES / HENRY CASE:

Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July, 1988

Keith McMaskle – Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April, 1989.

James Milan – Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.

Jordan Kettleson – Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

Richard Winters – Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan

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Highlanderess Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 9:02 am

I wonder how Monica feels knowing she was blowing a murderer. Yuck!

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Smokey Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 11:43 am

Wow, this is a Massive cover up if I have every seen one, No wonder Hillary goes around trying to start wars! She knows that anyone who messes with her is dead!

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NICK65 Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 2:28 pm

Wow. The Clinton’s sure knew a lot of depressed people……

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anonymous007 Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 7:54 pm

Now you know the clintons wouldn’t do anything like this. Looks like 9/11 isn’t the only thing that needs an investigation.

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TT Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:49 am

No coincidence www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1373.htm

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TJ Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:44 pm

whatdoesitmean dot com = Sorcha Faal:

“Sorcha Faal… Internet Hoax Queen Courtesy of One David Booth”

“….part of the Zionist disinfo team that pumps out misinformation and confusing constructs as part of the overall agenda of “DECEPTION” which is the hallmark of Zionism’s modus operandi.”

Is that you David?

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mr. J-RoS Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 6:00 am

I’m glad I turned down that job working for the clintons!!!! I seen a doc on this matter, he was just wiping everyone out

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2. roaddog6 Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:38 pm

whatever the case is, I can see cops killing their own to push the elites agenda.

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Boblobslaw Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pm

depends on the “pay” scale of doing “what you’re told to do” under ” I’m only doing my job”

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jlcrogue Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 6:50 pm

Cops are nothing more than thugs hired by the crime syndicate known as government.

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centerline Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:20 pm

I don’t understand.What did these people do to get killed by the polize?A Traffic stop?And that led to this?The People of the U.S. are patient But if this stuff keeps happening I would not want to be a COP.Alex Jones needs to investigate this one so we can know the other side of this…..

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Benjamin Jefferson Madison Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 7:50 pm

I can see effa bee eye or see aye yay killing cops without thinking twice about it, bad cops deserve it and good cops are a threat to black ops agents. Kill the cops and then call in that the occupants of the van did it…

Of course the Kane’s could have dunnit, but it does seem a bit implausable, especially if Kane sr. was working with the feds…unless he knew something they didn’t want him talking about in the future…
3. 1776blues Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pm

I’ve heard of Tim Turner from the Restore America plan and I heard of Hal Turner the FBI informant, but who is Ted Turner. I know it is not Ted Turner the billionaire population reduction freak, so is this simply a typo and did Kurt mean Hal when he wrote Ted or has Ted TNT Turner found a new job!

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1776blues Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 4:42 pm

Nice to see they corrected the typo!
4. Vince Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 4:22 pm

The last sermon of Martin Luther

Condensed from his final book: “THE JEWS AND THEIR LIES”

The famous religious reformer Martin Luther (1483-1546) nailed his famous Theses on the front door of the Church at Wittenburg as a reaction to what he would later learn was Jewish corruption inside the highest offices of the Catholic Church in Rome. His ideas inspired the Protestant Reformation and changed the course of Western Civilization.
Almost immediately the Catholic Church began efforts to clean up its own corrupt act, but it was too late: the horse was out of the barn, and along with many others, most Jews flocked to the newly formed Protestant religion.

Luther eventually learned how he had been deceived by the Jews and recanted some of his recommendations. Unfortunately, the Catholic church never did fully learn what its inner corruption by Jews had done to itself, and to this day (especially since the 1964 Vatican II fiasco) remains sabotaged and subverted by corrupt Jewish influence (perhaps best evidenced by the sorry fact that the last two popes both are of Jewish ancestry, which explains why they both have said that Catholics and Jews are brothers, when in fact they are mortal enemies).

What follows is a truncated redaction of Martin Luther’s final book: The Jews and Their Lies. It is written by a writer who is neither Catholic nor Jew, but merely a seeker of truth in a world besieged and nearly destroyed by the dishonesty of those who seek to hurt, deceive and destroy others, especially true believers of any type. This redaction consists of selected but unchanged passages from this work, and as such, is more an edited condensation and reshuffling than an actual redaction.

www dot johnkaminski.info/pages/articles/the_last_sermon_of_martin_luther.htm

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yahsharahla Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 5:14 pm

yeah.. the most important one is is that being jew-ish is a religious person who fllow the religion belief of the real bloodline jews/moors and not a nationality , being they donot descend from the so called blacks in america today which would make them a jew of the flesh….fake jews is what he should have stated

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Jedipatriot Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 8:07 am

Do you mean zionists (fake jews)?

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5. anonymous007 Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 4:26 pm

Can’t say much cause I didn’t learn much from this article.

But, since the tag is missing from the van, could that be the reason for the stop initially? And if not, and the law removed the tag after the shootout; wouldn’t that be tampering with evidence?

With no one knowing why the stop was attempted in the first place, it sure enough leaves a lot of room for suspicion.

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Ncredible Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 5:08 pm

Agree, they need to release the tapes from the first pull over, and they need to do it now!

Seems the 2 cops killed were the son and nephew of the chief, the chief just happened to find the van in the parking lot, and he just happened to also get wounded.

Right now I see another two names that got murdered by the government in the name of Liberty. The water is flowing……..

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OOPS Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 7:34 pm

MAY HAVE BEEN REMOVED BY KANES OR THE POLICE…never know now huh?

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Ncredible Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 2:15 am

I just listened to the last link to his talking about being harrassed in new mexico.

Kanes knew his rights and was being abused by the dirty cops, and no I will not pray for the government murdering thugs. This man and his son died beliving in Liberty, and for that God will welcome them into his fold. The butcher pigs on the other hand only lived to opress the people, to stymy the “free will” of mankind and I hope they suffer for all of entrenity. I know that is bad of me, but I am not God and I do not forgive.

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TT Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:50 am

Well try this… ww.whatdoesitmean.com/index1373.htm

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TJ Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:45 pm

whatdoesitmean dot com = Sorcha Faal:

“Sorcha Faal… Internet Hoax Queen Courtesy of One David Booth”

“….part of the Zionist disinfo team that pumps out misinformation and confusing constructs as part of the overall agenda of “DECEPTION” which is the hallmark of Zionism’s modus operandi.”

Sell you propaganda somewhere else David

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mr. J-RoS Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 6:04 am

Agreed

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6. GreyGhost Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 4:28 pm

I really hate to see a 16 year old boy laying dead like who was just trying to help fellow Americans with information. This sickens me…

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7. theprofessor Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 4:36 pm

this stinks to high heaven. Something definitely not right here

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TT Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:51 am

You can say that again! ww.whatdoesitmean.com/index1373.htm

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TJ Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:46 pm

whatdoesitmean dot com = Sorcha Faal:

“Sorcha Faal… Internet Hoax Queen Courtesy of One David Booth”

“….part of the Zionist disinfo team that pumps out misinformation and confusing constructs as part of the overall agenda of “DECEPTION” which is the hallmark of Zionism’s modus operandi.”

TT = David Booth

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8. Michelle307 Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 4:40 pm

I’m still in shock after hearing about this on the freeman society and creditors in commerce forums. Jerry Kane is a long time advocate for humans rights especially when it comes to fighting the banksters on forclosures and common law! I don’t believe ANY link whatsoever to aryan s--- nor to extremism; unless you call helping people fight banksters etremist!

Geez, I just can’t get over this at all. His son is lying on the ground dead in HANDCUFFS! What’s that all about? And the drug link? Pullllease, come on. I don’t know Jerry or his son personally but have listened to many of their creditor in commerce calls an participated in a few and the mainstream media and cops spin could not be farther from the truth.

When (if) the truth does come out, you can bet the MSM won’t be carrying it; but I’ll be watching here and on the forums for more info!

Jesus when the banksters and establishment are so threatened by the truth that they’d assassinate a very high profile man in the movement and his minor son (16?) to stop them from spreading the truth about the fraudulent money system, that’s some scary s--- man!

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duty is ours Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 11:30 pm

I don’t get why they had the son on the ground & in hand cuffs. In the raw footage Channel 5 chopper took over the Wal-Mart (the only raw footage that the cops are even reviewing) (and what they have publicly released on their site only shows 1 shot–thru the back window behind the son) you can see the son thru the window – zoomed in on him – & he is not cuffed–his arm is bent & in front of his body, not behind. They said the cops only approached after determining they were dead–so why pull him out & cuff him? This video played live on air since they were already breaking in with breaking news from the original shooting. The raw video I’m speaking of is @ wmctv website.

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TT Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:53 am

Yep!… ww.whatdoesitmean.com/index1373.htm

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TJ Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:46 pm

whatdoesitmean dot com = Sorcha Faal:

“Sorcha Faal… Internet Hoax Queen Courtesy of One David Booth”

“….part of the Zionist disinfo team that pumps out misinformation and confusing constructs as part of the overall agenda of “DECEPTION” which is the hallmark of Zionism’s modus operandi.”

What does it really mean David Booth?

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9. Kwisatz Haderach Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 4:46 pm

Thats terrible. Poor kid, they could have at least covered his body.
Yeah the missing license plate is suspicious. But even more suspecious is, “Hey dad after we smoke these two Smokeys how about we go shopping at Wal-Mart.” ” Yeah great idea son.”
Somethins not right here.

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Smokey Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 5:51 pm

Yeah that’s pretty suspicious I would say, who the hell would go shopping after kill two pigs?
Oh wait… maybe they were buying some charcoal and BBQ sauce(mmmm, pig roast)
No I don’t think that would work cause they would have to have brought the bodies with them….
Ah I got it… they ran out of ammo and had to stock up!…no I don’t think that would work either, after all Wally world only allows 6 boxes and that’s not enough for another shoot out.

Hmmmm…. I guess the just committed suicide do to sever depression with the way the world is turning lately…Yep that’s it I figured it out, no need for an investigation or a trial anymore!

Wow I’m pretty good at this investigation stuff if I do say so my self. I think I should do this for a living, I could save a lot of time and tax payers money with my efficiency.
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In all seriousness though, it’s a sad state of affairs and my heart goes out to their family and friends. May they RIP

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Smokey Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 5:55 pm

Oh and INFOWARS It is truly disrespectful to show the body of a murdered 16 year old boy!
Have you no class?!
Shame on you!!!!

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bob klinck Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 9:50 pm

We should also see photos of the bodies of soldiers and civilians killed in war. Governments and the media keep the public in a sanitized information bubble, for an obvious reason. If people saw the mayhem in its gory reality, including little children blown to smithereens, the vast majority would insist that these wars must end immediately.

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Jedipatriot Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:00 pm

I agree with you bob. The violence needs to be shown. The people (sheeple) need to know what’s going on. Death has a sudden urgency that is better seen than (not) spoken about.

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Sir Baby De Porky Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 6:11 pm

You got a problem with pigs ?!?

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Smokey Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 11:49 am

No I love pork chops/tenderloin, bacon, back bacon, and ham. Plus my dog love to chew on the ears and hooves!

Sorry porky!

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Sir Baby De Porky Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 7:21 am

You just gave Infowars some big self-righteous rant about them showing a shoot out
scene picture that happened to have a murdered a 16 years old boy in it , but the
extremely brutal torture and slaughter of trillions of animals a day doesn’t phase
you in the least , in fact you seem quite proud of your barbaric feats !!!

P.S. You’re a monumental hypocrite…sorry smokey !!!

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Observer Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 7:55 am

Yes , some cops give those pigs a bad name. Poor pigs usually don’t murder their own kind.

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10. ScottGrovesNC Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 5:09 pm

Since the dad and son were supposed to have assault rifles, then where are they at? There’s no weapon of any sort in the top picture.

People are starting to get erased by the Elites, I’m afraid.

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TT Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:56 am

Sure thing ww.whatdoesitmean.com/index1373.htm

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TJ Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:47 pm

whatdoesitmean dot com = Sorcha Faal:

“Sorcha Faal… Internet Hoax Queen Courtesy of One David Booth”

“….part of the Zionist disinfo team that pumps out misinformation and confusing constructs as part of the overall agenda of “DECEPTION” which is the hallmark of Zionism’s modus operandi.”

Persistent aren’t you David?

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11. Methuselah Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 5:25 pm

There is an eywitness from the local country club they stopped at (after shooting and killing the first two officers on I-40) who noticed them “messing” with their tags before leaving that property for the local WalMart. It is likely that they removed the tags themselves to avoid capture. My personal take on this it that it is likely another case of “programming” or possibly just some people who have been abused by their government for so long that they finally just snapped. (which is really the same thing as intentional progamming)

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MontgomeryScott Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 9:14 pm

Do you have a link to this report?
The truth needs to be seen, so that people can make intelligent assessments from fractured information.
PERHAPS this un-named ‘country club’ has a video camera (or 40) patrolling THEIR parking lot.

PERHAPS, you are full of cow manure, and cannot sustantiate your statement with hard evidence such as this.

duty is ours Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 8:49 pm

go to wreg, wmctv, and myfoxmemphis

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duty is ours Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 8:50 pm

that’s the 3 local stations

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TT Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:56 am

Try this… ww.whatdoesitmean.com/index1373.htm

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TJ Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:48 pm

whatdoesitmean dot com = Sorcha Faal:

“Sorcha Faal… Internet Hoax Queen Courtesy of One David Booth”

“….part of the Zionist disinfo team that pumps out misinformation and confusing constructs as part of the overall agenda of “DECEPTION” which is the hallmark of Zionism’s modus operandi.”

Are you serious David?

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12. andrew james Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 5:50 pm

You could get smoked even if you don’t carry. You’re just an easier target.

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13. alex Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 5:52 pm

Probably just some fruity methhead that did not want to cooperate with some NO-NECK,SHAVED HEAD, NAZI-LIKE West Memphis cop who was acting like he was a F_CKING MARINE interigating a enemy soldier.
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And then the sh1t just got out of control.
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I was BORN and RAISED in Memphis TN. so I know all about those West Memphis cops.
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(But ya never know. Their could be more to it)

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websuspect Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 9:21 pm

That car has about 100 Bullet holes in it.

I wonder how many other cars got hit by stray police bullets?

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duty is ours Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 8:52 pm

not sure how many but there were many cars that could not be picked up by the owners until the next day due to being inside the crime scene tape

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TT Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:58 am

You’re catchin on fast! ww.whatdoesitmean.com/index1373.htm

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TJ Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:48 pm

whatdoesitmean dot com = Sorcha Faal:

“Sorcha Faal… Internet Hoax Queen Courtesy of One David Booth”

“….part of the Zionist disinfo team that pumps out misinformation and confusing constructs as part of the overall agenda of “DECEPTION” which is the hallmark of Zionism’s modus operandi.”

Catch on to this David…..

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14. andrew james Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 5:58 pm

I’m guilty of not watching the videos until now. I don’t know what to make of it.

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15. Sir Baby De Porky Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 6:14 pm

The fact that this type of suspicion is very much alive , goes to show how screwed the whole
scene is !!!

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16. wewton Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 6:33 pm

Something is strange about this case. Were the police sure the 16 was not a “hostage” of the adult, and forced to ride along? Or just happened to be there? (i dont know the details, — just asking a question here).

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17. Tim Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 6:35 pm

Hey, Is anybody having problems playing the wcpo 9 news video on this page. The second video below the AP video above? When I go to play it, I get kicked off the internet every time. I have to unplug my cable modem every time to get the internet back. I have never had this happen from playing a video. What is up with this? Just a bad video or what? I made a video recording of this happening because it has never happened to me before. Alright internet guru’s, what is happening? Denial of Service attack or is it normal?

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18. Tim Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 6:37 pm

Im from Arkansas, so it is close to home. Well 150 mile away but close enough.

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MontgomeryScott Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 8:32 pm

My mom was born about 20 miles outside Little Rock…

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TJ Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 5:28 am

My Mom was born about 500 miles outside of Little Rock, in Des Moines…..

Where was your Dad born?

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19. raymarc001 Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 6:37 pm

It would not surprise me since false flags are used by governments to find out this was a setup to further the gun grabbing agenda of the left wing communists.

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20. hobbit Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 6:38 pm

Looks like somenone wants to start a revolution

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21. Tim Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 6:40 pm

I went to their website (wcpo 9 news) and it does the same thing to me. I guess I won’t get to view that video.

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22. Brother Doug Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 6:50 pm

There will be many more unfortunately. People are waking up far too early and in greater numbers than the NWO shills expected, they will resort to far greater force as each new person wakes up.

If they feel that they are really loosing control, they will collapse everything.

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23. Tim Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 7:02 pm

Oh, Speaking of the patriot movement, What do you think of Glenn Beck’s connections he made to Barrack Obama and gang. He is helping us out just to slam the door in our face in the end or what? I’ve had my eye on that man and he is really playing as a patriot now. Anything to get some truth out there is good right? What Glenn is doing now is what the media should do more of. Exposing the truth is paramont. Enlighten me brothers and sisters.

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onion Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 7:29 pm

You worshipped O’rielly, Hannity, Beck, Bush, Rove, and Rand Paul, they all turned on you and yet you want to get on this site and marvel over something Beck had to say. You are pathetic bro and should have been one of the dead in the latest shooting. How in the world God missed you with such a swollen brain tissue is baffeling. Maybe you can shoot ur self and save us all the trouble later.

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mr. J-RoS Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 6:15 am

What the hell man?

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Benjamin Jefferson Madison Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:42 pm

Glen Beck is a disinformation agent, end of story. I cannot even give him credit as I do Rush Limbaugh for being an entertainer. Beck is obnoxious, boorish, (so is O’Reilly I know) smug, arrogant, condescending, ANNOYING (OMG I cannot STAND the mental image I have of him making his stupid faces into the camera while talking mad crap about things I absolutely KNOW to be fact)…and I don’t even watch or listen to him.

I surmised all of that from the few times I’ve suffered through his performance for all of 20 or 30 seconds. He is very inconsistent with his messages. He uses petty pseudo-psychological parlour trick tactics to lead his weak minded audiences around like a mule with a carrot hanging from a stick…He uses stupid over-dramatic expressions while ridiculing perfectly salient points raised by others attempting to discredit entire schools of thought, much like O’Reilly and the way he portrayed the 9-11 truth movement’s claims, most now proven as fact, as utterly preposterous.

The weak minded I mentioned eariler, having declined to read the info from a few websites and thus get clued into whats really going on, will swallow this bait (the idea put forth that truth is silly) hook line and sinker, and then, will repeat the BS put out by Beck and his ilk on both sides of the imaginary and completely incorrectly placed political line ( the paradigm is not right vs left, it is actually US vs Them), so as to not appear STUPID among their equally uninformed social circle, and will probably never research these subjects on their own for the risk of breaking the status quo, of ignorance.

My point is, if you need to get ANY info, gossip, scoop, opinion, whatever from Glen Beck, then why don’t you just go all the way and get that lobtomy you’ve been considering…

So exactly what was in this post that caused it to be deleted???

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MontgomeryScott Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 8:52 pm

TIM:
FIRST, and THIS IS THE TRUTH:
‘onion’ is becoming acknowledged as a plant from either the current administration or some agency like this. IGNORE his comments, and everything that he states. He (she, or they) are actively posting on multiple stories, attempting to incite violence, while decrying anyone who asks questions, as well as attempting to undermine support for any individual that suooprts such issues as ’state’s rights’ or the Constitution. IT’S ‘OPINION’ is to be entirely discounted, brother. (IT does not even have the common sense to spell correctly (‘baffeling’), while trying to insult intellectual prowess (How in the world God missed you with such a swollen brain tissue is baffeling.). I read this ’sentence’, and said, HUH?!?

Second:
About Glenn Beck…The FACTS are that he is on record calling Ron Paul a ‘nut-job’ during the 2008 campaign, but then trying to assuage the opinion that he is a schill for the MSM by having Dr. Paul on several of his showes, AFTER the ’selections.
Glenn is seen in a famous ‘outtake’ video using ONIONS to help him cry on cue, so that the scenes where he appears to be ‘weeping’ for the state of this nation are ALL PHONY.
Mr. Beck used to be a ’shock-jock’, in his early broadcasting career.
Blenn Beck is on record as ‘debunking’ the existence of FEMA CAMPS (despite the introduction of HR645 in February 2009, which CLEARLY calls for construction of FEMA camps WITHIN MILITARY RESERVATIONS in CONUS.

AGAIN, I tell you, make up your own mind, but it is important that you spend some time researching Glenn Beck’s statements and past, before believing EVERY thing that he states (he is correctly speaking a little more than 45% of the time, in MY OPINION, but he is an accomplished PROPAGANDIZER…otherwise, he would not be allowed to air his ‘opinions’ on the MSM).

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Doc Holliday Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 7:22 am

MONTGOMERY SCOTT:

I’m glad you mentioned Beck calling Ron Paul a nut job.
Beck is the nut job,,,and a TV clown without the clown dress on! He gets on my nerves like you wouldn’t believe!

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24. wayne1951 Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 7:49 pm

since there are cameras out in the walmart parking lot what gives why has not the video been checked for that moment
bet somebody wanted to implicate somebody on purpose could have been a black ops bag operationt to make all militia look guilty for sure

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MontgomeryScott Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 9:11 pm

I agree with your point.
WHERE are the WalMart surveillence videos?

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bilderbuster Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 1:05 am

Dammit! Releasing that film could endanger “national security”!
The gov. said a plane hit the pentagon. I suppose you would like to see a picture of that also?
Why that would endanger “national security”.
McVeigh & Nichols blew up the O.K. federal building.
They were tried & convicted!
MVveigh is dead. Now why would you want to veiw a video of him driving the truck up alone to bomb it unless you wanted to endanger “national security”?
You know if WalMart was robbed that video would be on the 6:00 news, but dammit this involves law enforcement officers & to release it could endanger “national security”.

Monty if you keep asking questions like these you may have to be waterboarded by the fine officers from homeland security.

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bilderbuster Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 1:09 am

You too wayne!
In fact the both of you could be members of a domestic terrorist organization! Hmmmm…

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Smokey Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm

Well I thing that the cruiser tapes should be shown too, the ones of the cops being killed and to the father and son murders!

And water boarding? is that like the old fashion washing machine? except they scrub you back and forth to get you clean?

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Observer Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 8:08 am

Yes , that f***ing national security is handy excuse every time. Citizens need to be outraged by this repetitive bs and the fake global war on terror excuse. USA quit drinking the NWOs flouride and WAKE UP.

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25. TJ Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 7:49 pm

How can a vehicle be registered to a building?

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MontgomeryScott Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 8:55 pm

Where is YOUR car or truck registered to?
NAME:
ADDRESS:
CITY:
STATE:
ZIPCODE:

Dig out your registration, and LOOK at it.

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TJ Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 5:10 am

My CAR is REGISTERED to ME! I have a NAME. If this VAN were registered to someone’s NAME why didn’t they GIVE the NAME instead of the ADDRESS of a BUILDING?

That is ALL I mEaNt……..

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anonymous007 Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 8:02 pm

It can be registered to a company as opposed to an individual.

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26. Mothman Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 8:05 pm

For those that think they were set up or framed, you have to ask yourself a key question. How did the cops get killed?

If indeed a man and his teenage son are murdered for the death of two cops and if they were indeed set up and framed, then that implies that someone else killed the two cops.

Since the vehicle stop was conducted by Narcotics supervising personnel, it stands to reason that if this was a set up that the set up is in those that present the story of how the vehicle stop went down and how the two cops got shot. Even if there were cops getting shot while they were trying to confront these two dead patsies, someone could have been there to shoot cops and make it look how it needed to look to sell the cover story.

What motive a drug enforcement officer would have to set up and execute two innocent people while someone else killed the cops is indeed a mystery, but it tells me that perhaps the two dead cops were somehow a threat or a danger to those that did the killing. Perhaps some internal investigation or perhaps even the Feds.

We may never know but I would have to agree and state openly that I do not believe that a father with his teen son is going to kill two cops and then end up in a shoot out where he and his son get killed. This does not make sense.

What does make sense is that someone or some group of individuals internal to the drug enforcement group needed to get rid of two cops before they could expose someone or some group.

The attempts to associate the dead with the Aryan nation is a lie. Someone must know whey Kane and his son were out and about. Who were they going to see? Had they already seen them? Was this travel as part of his mortgage seminars?

We may never know, but if they were framed and set up then and only then does it imply that someone else killed the two cops and laid blame to the two who were selected or perhaps picked at random by the drug enforcement officer needing to find two patsies to blame two murders on them.

With the intent to kill them, they would never be able to deny the claims or the story laid down by the officer that conducted the traffic stop and or by those that gave witness statements as to how the two cops got shot and killed.

If the dead father and son did not do it, then the killers still need to be discovered and brought to justice. I would begin with those that present the original story of how it went down and how two cops died in the line of duty.

If the two cops were set up to get killed, they did indeed die in the line of duty, but they were assassinated and killed to silence them for something personal to those doing the killing. I for one hope more comes out about this story because it has the makings of a big cover up and conspiracy.

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razor Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 10:08 pm

random patsies.

knowfreedom Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:10 am

Yes, random selected patsies who had to sacrifice their own lives to advance the anti-patriot agenda.

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Smokey Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:18 pm

I think it was a 3 for 1

1) get ride of two cops who knew to much and became liabilities
2) frame up to Patriots who where helping people fight the gov.(who happened to be going through town on a planned road trip to help others.
3) kill off the innocents to hide the truth and portray Patriots in a bad light to further agenda

Just think they could use a white van to kill the cops with, swap the license plates over onto the father and son’s van, then call in the cops to kill them, It wouldn’t be hard for the cops to change the VIN #’s and the murdered cops cruiser camera would be inconclusive of the killers identity if they had never exited the vehicle, so They could use that as there reasoning for Identifying them as the killers. There are some many unanswered questions that will probably never hit the light of day let alone asked!

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duty is ours Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 9:40 pm

Mothman, below is a story done by the local news about West Memphis Police Chief Bob Paudert’s lose of his son Brandon, one of the two officers killed. You seemed to want to know more and even tho this is MSM it is some perspective related to your ponderings.

West Memphis Chief Faces Traumatic Loss
Updated: Friday, 21 May 2010, 5:29 PM CDT
Published : Friday, 21 May 2010, 4:44 PM CDT

Les
Smith
WEST MEMPHIS, Ark. – He’s a man who has stared trouble and danger down for decades during his career in law enforcement. But, for veteran West Memphis Police Chief Bob Paudert, nothing could have prepared him for the shooting death of his son Brandon.

When Bob Paudert took over the reins of the West Memphis Police Department more than a decade ago, he brought with him a hard-nosed, all business reputation and a single-minded purpose, waging all-out war on criminal activity.

From the start he focused on what the crime-ridden Arkansas community hoped he would.

In 1999, Paudert declared, “We have a drug problem. As we speak there’s somebody dealing drugs right in the city.”

Paudert’s aggressive approach to crippling the drug traded included constant police presence of drug intervention teams along the infamous I-40/I-55 corridor, the introduction of dashboard cams and the hiring of bilingual officers that resulted in hundreds of arrests and the confiscation of millions of dollars in drugs and money.

Paudert’s son, Brandon, would proudly become a member of the interdiction team. Paudert, the former head of the Shelby County Sheriff’s Internal Affairs Unit, also introduced a review board to look into citizens’ complaints of alleged police misconduct.

Paudert explained, “It’s policing the police. You have to have somebody monitor what we do.”

However, a series of events, beginning with three West Memphis officers charged with reckless homicide after a car chase into Memphis ended in the deaths of a fugitive and his girlfriend in 2004, drew heavy criticism after Paudert staunchly defended their actions.

Escorting the officers out of the Criminal Justice Center in Memphis after they bonded out, Paudert asserted, “They felt like they were doing their job and what they needed to do at the time. And I’m going to stand behind them until I see some evidence that they’d actually done something wrong.”

Three years later, with the police-shooting death of 12 year old DeAunta Farrow by then police officer, Erik Sammis, an escalating war of words between outraged African American City Council members and an unyielding Paudert reached a fever pitch which resulted in their calls for his dismissal. The outspoken and defiant Paudert roared, “It’s time for them to shut up and get out of West Memphis and let us continue to do our business. We have a good police department. Got good men and women on it and we’ve got half a good City Council.”

While Paudert has weathered numerous storms of controversy over the years, the Thursday murder of son Brandon, while in service to the city and career both he and his father had shared, comes as the most personal of blows. Leaving a trail of anger, pain and sorrow that no police officer, no family and no father should ever be forced to find the strength to withstand.

Mike Allen, Paudert’s Assistant Chief and friend remarked, “Chief Paudert is a pretty tough guy. There’s a certain point where that toughness weakens you down. And you can just imagine what he’s going through right now.”

Allen sadly concluded, “It’s going to hurt for a long time.”

Joint visitation for Brandon Paudert and fellow officer Bill Evans will be Sunday, May 23 from 5:00pm – 9:00pm at West Memphis High School’s Lehr Arena.

Paudert’s Memorial service will also be at Lehr Arena on Monday, May 24 at 10:00am followed by a private burial service.

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27. chemtrailzombie Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 8:16 pm

its like the demons are trying to demonize truthers,to fool the public ,and put more laws in place to strip out freedoms ,free speech.And the real picture getting through to peoples brains ,like saying if if you see the real picture of what is going on, that your insane ,china is very big on this as well.To get people to disbelieve any conspiracy,to discredit any truth to what truthers are warning you about .And to get people to believe that only the corporate main stream media is telling them the truth .As what you are warning them about ,is right in front of there eyes.but yet they still can not see it.Have you ever talked with a person like that?Thats a part of illuminati brain washing ,there brained washed!As they elite use a fraud, under the false word of safety .But you see people notice when the elite are trying to take away good things,or to keep new better things from happening.It is much easer to see there evil anti christ structure scam then!The scam so the elite can advance into there bank chip micro implant control grid .Trying to enslave man kind! ,imagine ,getting all these fees and charges paid to a one world bank ,from your earnings ,off of some chip implanted in you,with a lump growing around the implant ,in a cashless society.The total slavery of mankind.

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28. TennWalt Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 8:44 pm

No TV here for the past two years so i guess this is another propaganda MSM article to be continued?

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29. raidernation Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 9:07 pm

You guys are unbelievable,everything is not always a conspiracy… yeah there are bad officers out there and just like any profession, there bad people at your job, but not all are bad… does that make you guilty by affiliation? why joseph and his son kill the two officers? why didn’t the joseph and his son comply with the officers command, but nawh , you assholes don’t question the suspects and without any facts, the police are guilty.. everyone hate the police, until they are desperate of them, then are your best friend…

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mr. J-RoS Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 6:29 am

Your an idiot

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Observer Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 8:33 am

I would say that your comments betray your lack of knowledge on this particular matter. Maybe you should read the article a little more carefully and do some research on the phoney war on drugs, the phoney war on terrorism, the freemason system. psycopathic traits of those in positions of authority and such related topics to open your mind up to the horrible truth. Otherwise you will be a target for abuse yourself.

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indianeyes Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 8:45 pm

Well raidernation you truly are an IDIOT! the police are never my best friend ever, i was one and dropped out due to s--- that i seen personally, people like you piss me off!!! Go read your Liberal sites and comment on them!!!! You and Obama can bump d*ck heads!!

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Benjamin Jefferson Madison Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 10:02 pm

I happen to be a life-long RAIDERS fan, so I give a shout out to my fellow Raiders fan. That having been said, I will refrain from calling you an idiot, however I will point out that it was not established who killed the two cops. If you read the comments, you will find several that point out glaring inconsistencies in the strory being told by the media and the cops. The cops may even believe that the Kanes killed the two cops, but that is not proven. Questions about things that seem odd such as pulling the dead 16 yr old boy out of the van and handcuffing him and leaving him exposed in plain sight is very atypical. If they were exposing the boy in that manner why didn’t they also display the weapons used to commit the killings? Were there any weapons? If there werent, then how can one assume that the Kanes did the killings? I agree not all cops are bad, not everything is a conspiracy, but something sure smells fishy about this one…I don’t know about you, but I would guess that if I had an altercation with police, any kind where I was not in custody yet wanted, I don’t think I would go hang out at or near a Wal-Mart…unless I needed more ammo…Wal-Marts around here do not sell ammo nor firearms, so…

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30. MontgomeryScott Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 9:28 pm

A REAL ‘reporter’ would have written down the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) of the van, and then done some research as to the true ownership and history of this Dodge Grand Caravan.

NAW, that’s too much trouble…that would be like REPORTING the FACTS or something!

NOW, it’s too late, as this vehicle is in POLICE IMPOUND, and the public will NEVER KNOW the facts of this case.
WAIT:
“CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW…ABRIDGING…FREEDOM…OF THE PRESS,…”
SAY, that is Amendment ONE of the United States Constitution, the ‘Law of The Land’, in case you forgot about it!
According to THIS document, the PRESS could go in and GET the VIN number, in order to do the required research, and the IMPOUND LOT would be bound by LAW to give that information out!

do the INFOWARRIORS have the intestinal fortitude to acually try to research the issue by using this information to get a FACTUAL track of the ownership of the vehicle, or are they going to accept the ‘OFFICIAL STORY’?

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TJ Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 5:16 am

I know it’s history – a building in New Vienna, Ohio is the owner :-P

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31. razor Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 10:06 pm

I don’t know what the tipping point will be in our fight for freedom but incidences such as these most certainly add fuel to the fire. No mention of guns being found or witnesses who identified the vans license plate or if the police were shot at by anyone in the van. Let us pray that this is not another assassination cover-up by the police.

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32. patriothiphop.com Says:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:59 pm

they keep pushin

push back at patriothiphop.com :)

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33. sicsempertyrannis Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 1:35 am

by the way this is to those who moderate i am not talking about anything bad just speaking my mind like our forefathers did…..boldly and truthfully….i do not see how moderation defends the 1st amendment in any way. Make a stand for the Constitution and for what is right. good day to all of you and hope you see what i am saying as nothing more than what it is….the truth and what is necessary.

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onion Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 3:01 am

Stand and deliver. But which means something is wrong. But most are waiting on Jesus and are convinced he will save them. What arrogance and what selfishness. No reguard for the fact that Jesus says he will require an Army to send into Jerusalem and that he will crush the nonbelievers. They don’t believe in anything really except themselves as individuals as they have been brainwashed to believe. I ain’t into that Jesus stuff but I do believe the Bible written by the rulers long ago has been used quite extensivly to get the sheep to be persuaded to do almost and to accept anything. The rulers use the bible very well with their wars and fearmongering. It is part of their agenda to keep this bible propaganda in your face 24-7. They eat it up. Jesus going to wave his hand and all is well what a magic trick that will be. Just wave his hand. Where have you seen that before. Howw long will it take him to clean up the oil spill and the Gulf regions marshes. What about Nigeria and the south American countries that have major oil spills also. What about the toxic water devistating Ireland. Will he stop the flow of drugs all over the planet. These fools focus on a bit at a time their small minds can’t hold ont to much information at one time. It’s a genetic thing. Back in the day they called anyone who was high up Lord but everytime they hear the word lord in the bible they want it to be god or jesus whom they think is god. You can’t kill god and lead him thru town and nail him on a cross and humiliate him. Whats the point to show man suffering. We have been suffering from tyranny ever since the first rulers. we don’t need god to show us how to suffer. Stupid is as stupid does. When the power of Love replaces the Love of power only then will man know piece. (Jimi Hendrix)

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TJ Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 4:54 am

In spite of my selfishness, I will say a prayer for you onion.

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mr. J-RoS Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 6:35 am

Who the hell was even talking about Jesus? You got issues man

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34. Doc Holliday Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 2:45 am

It is possible that the two suspects were using the mortgage seminar as a cover as well as a source of income, and a way to travel about without being suspected of any thing.
Many people have dealings underground and nobody ever suspects it until their name appears in the news. Without many facts and yet to be determined who, what where, and why you cannot even begin to speculate.

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35. Donmen Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 2:56 am

2 cops for 2 of us…

That aint half bad, if we keep it up we are sure to win :P

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Smokey Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:29 pm

Well I think it would be far better if it was 2 politicians for 2 patriots, I’m starting to understand the whole Kamikaze, suicide bomber thing!

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36. TJ Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 4:50 am

Sorry, but given the information that’s available out there now, there’s nothing fishy here other than onion stinking up the place with his philosophical musings of Forrest Gump and Jimi Hendrix.

The guy murdered two cops with families, wounded two others, and got his 16 year old kid killed in the process of his “patriot” suicide. Nothing more nothing less. He wasn’t just telling people how to deal with foreclosures. Watch his videos yourself. He jokes (with his son chiming in) about how to deal with IRS agents using baseball bats. He tells how he was prepared to die to join his deceased wife, except that his son would be left alone (which is now not an issue). He says he doesn’t want to kill cops but if he keeps getting pushed he will, and he won’t be able to stop because he has an addictive personality. The videos speak for themselves. This guy was so into himself and his version of “justice to the man”, anyone could see to potential for this tragedy.

As far as the license plate “conspiracy” – yes he was stupid enough to stay in the area, drive to some nearby apartments and remove the plates probably attempting to replace them. He was spotted at the apartments next to Walmart without plates on the van minutes before opening fire on the cops at Walmart.

As far as the van being registered to the Ohio church recently, I would just speculate he had some connection where he was able to register it that way to “stay off the radar”. He didn’t believe in drivers licenses either, they are an “in-valid” contract. So when you’re pulled over at a “Nazi checkpoint” in New Mexico and refuse to produce a license and refuse to give your name, you can probably expect you’re going to jail, no conspiracy necessary.

His common law wife also did confirm he owned an AK-47 and did take it with him when he traveled.

So I really do hope Infowars doesn’t continue down this “cover up/infiltration/false flag/blah blah whatever” scenario with this story. Because this case is just what it appears – some “psycho patriot” taking things a bit way beyond the rhetoric. And two innocent cops with families and one 16 year old kid are dead because of this guy’s self centered ego. If that’s what you want, have at it but chalk up one ex-infowarrior.

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Doc Holliday Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 7:14 am

LMFAO. Gump and Hendrix,,,sounds like a law firm!
LOL

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Bad Slave Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 7:29 am

I agree with the general sentiment of your post, TJ, but let’s not assume any ‘facts’ just yet; namely, “the guy murdered two cops ….” Yes, two cops were ‘killed.’ We don’t know exactly what happened—unless you are aware of some facts that you have not disclosed. You are probably right, but let’s not assume anything. Do we know yet what really happened at the initial stop?

With regards to the missing license plate, perhaps he is one of these ’sovereign’ guys who doesn’t believe in state-issued a driver’s license (as you stated) and registration. I have heard of guys who create their own license plates—they usually get pulled over, but I have heard of at least one guy who consistently wins the issue in court.

Thanks for taking the time to check out this guy’s videos and site. I have read your posts before and will take your assessment as accurate, to save me some time and effort. We will have to see how this shakes out.

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nighthawc Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 7:29 am

I agree TJ. He has a long record of what i think is mental illness. People in his hometown were scared of this frootloop. you know the guy every town has one or two, loose cannon, maybe a little schizo, or bi polar.. I dont like the way they are attaching him to the patriot movement, because he was not, maybe on his own initiative. Lets not make a maryter out of this guy, lets mourn the sensless death of his child, and the police officers that were killed. NOT all cops are fascist pigs. This is one case where the evidence speaks for itself

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Doc Holliday Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 2:45 pm

Just speculation at this point!

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FranCisco d Nostromo Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 10:39 am

TJ,
You said:
“He wasn’t just telling people how to deal with foreclosures. Watch his videos yourself. He jokes (with his son chiming in) about how to deal with IRS agents using baseball bats. He tells how he was prepared to die to join his deceased wife, except that his son would be left alone (which is now not an issue). He says he doesn’t want to kill cops but if he keeps getting pushed he will, and he won’t be able to stop because he has an addictive personality.
The videos speak for themselves.”
AND
“His common law wife also did confirm he owned an AK-47 and did
take it with him when he traveled.”

If one who wants to take someone out or is hired to take someone out or set them up, the first thing “these” will do is to:
intently study their prey.

Then “use” any and everything “their prey” may say or do against them.

Discover the possibilities!

Cisco d

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Toecutter Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:34 pm

What evidence have you that it was he that shot the cops.

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duty is ours Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 10:39 pm

I tend to agree with your assessment. Although there may be more as FranCisco d Nostromo has brought up. There was a bit of controversial history with Brandon Paudert’s Police Chief father, Bob. So, who knows? We are talking about one of the most politically corrupt areas in the country. Good ol’ boy system very alive and strong!

What really bothers me, even if he was just a crazy, is the vehement blaming & discrediting of the patriot movement in general that the local stations do. The taking advantage of perhaps true crazy, extremists to portray any patriot group that questions present governmental actions. The set up that will lead the sheeple to not listen, even to feel compelled to tip off authorities to us that try to wake them up because we’re like that crazy extremist that will break out and shoot them if they don’t get us off the street locked up. And of course the paving the way for a scrape goat for a false flag.

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37. Doc Holliday Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 7:36 am

On a serious note,
I hope they didn’t f*ck up and attack the wrong vehicle!

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38. AreYouKiddingMe Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 am

I think we all need to see the Wal-Mart video. How much do you want to bet the Wal-Mart came SUDDENLY became “non functioning” THAT day at THAT particular spot!

I am guessing these guys stumbled onto something they were NOT suppose to stumble on, so the government did what it ALWAYS does when people find things they should not, which is to STAGE A SHOOT OUT!

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39. FranCisco d Nostromo Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 9:45 am

“IN EVEY WAY ORGANIZE NOW”

My condolences to all.

HOW IRONIC-two fathers / two sons!

I do believe I heard that
The West Memphis Police Chiefs son,
was one of the officers killed in the “traffic stop shoot out”.

And the beat goes on.

Whilst reading the comments, the term “pigs”
entered the conversation and I immediately thought-
surely “Sir Baby De Porky” ain’t gonna like this and
I thought…hmm will he chide in?

And sure enough:

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Sir Baby De Porky Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 6:11 pm
You got a problem with pigs ?!?

As a matter of fact I do have a problem with:

Police
Insolence
Governing
Society

Have you ever heard; “you made your bed now lie in it”!?

excerpts from:
#26. DOUBLE DOWN / ACCOUNTABILITY

Corrupt government, corrupts the society it serves;
though the society wishes not to be corrupted or used,
abused and preyed upon, it will be and has been the
fodder for many; especially by law enforcement agencies
and their perspective authorities, these being:
the municipalities, cities, counties, states and
federal agencies.

Currently, there is a disgusting, over bearing stench
of arrogance emitting from
the law enforcement communities of this country.

The main odor, offending the olfactory nerves of
the public in general is;
“they” the law enforcement communities feel “they” are
“above the law”;
the very same law they have sworn an oath to uphold!

At one time in this country, the general public had a
much higher level of respect for their police;
those who swore to protect and serve them, “the people”

It is not ignorance of the law by which those who
swore an oath to uphold the law, break the law;
it is by ARROGANT HYPOCRISY the dirty deed is done!

If those of the general public lose confidence in those
who swore an oath to protect them;
a “lack of trust attitude” could in essence be reflected
from the people.

I believe trust in law enforcement agencies and
their personnel is essential to the well being and
security of a community and or a nation.

If this statement holds true, the importance of;
“PERFECT CONDUCT” in upholding the law
becomes paramount.

Therefore…..
“YOU DO NOT BREAK THE LAW…
TO UPHOLD THE LAW”!

I also sincerely believe this arrogance I speak of,
stems from a prejudice of law enforcement personnel
in general, this being; that “they” believe,
“they” are better than those they serve,
with serve being the key word.

Any and every one who is a government employee
is exactly this; “a servant to the people”…period!

Most certainly “they” are not above the law.

Being given a badge of authority over your fellow
citizens, implies faith and trust in your ability to:
protect and serve their righteous needs;
it absolutely does not give warrant to SEPARATISM.

Sir Baby De Porky,
Obviously from your name and constant defense of police,
I get the impression you are somehow affiliated with law enforcement.

If i am correct; BRING THESE WORDS TO YOUR BUDDIES!

I believe “they” law enforcement and government
employees, should “pay double fines and double time”
for their offence against
the laws “they” have sworn to uphold.

Why?

Because “they” are in a “higher position of trust”!

Perhaps the doubling up of the sentencing guidelines
to those who have sworn an oath to protect and serve,
will help alter and curb this insidious threat
to the peace, security and civil rights of many
of our citizens.

I now propose “A Bill” to create a law, to:
“double the fines and time”
to those who have sworn an oath,
“to protect and serve and also,
to uphold The Constitution”.
who then become convicted offenders
by any court adjudication.

Who among you will sponsor this bill?

ALSO: Sir Baby De Porky,
What say “you” to the “UNLAWFUL DETENTION” of:
Attorney, Dr. Richard Fine
by LA County, backed by the rule of P.I.G.S.
(Police Insolence Governing Society)

Come hear @
eveplebeodious.blogspot.com

Sincerely,
not your most perfect or patriotic
Cisco d

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mr. J-RoS Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 6:46 am

Touche’ my friend

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Observer Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:02 am

It seems the existing punishment for many police who break the law is “suspended duty” or “paid vacation”. The courts seem to favor them over the citizen as well. I agree with the idea of them having to hold to higher standard but the citizenry will haave to hold them to it.
Checks and balances of accountablity in the truist sence discourages thugary and iniquity.

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40. Tim Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 10:29 am

What is up with this onion dude. I just got back to check if someone had the same problems with the video on this page. I was being kicked off the internet every time I tried to play the video. I just thought that was wierd cause I’ve never been kicked from the internet trying to play a video.
I flip through the channels to check what propaganda is being spewed. I had notice a lot of things that Glenn has said lately is probably true about Obama and the New World order. Have you checked this out? I don’t care what you think of Beck. Just because I mentioned his name I get that response like onions flaming me to hell. I have been on this site since 2003 and I have always hated the people that act like Onion. Thanks MontgomeryScott for having a decent reply. Onion dude I am a 42 year old Iraqi war veteran with PTSD and still haven’t managed to shoot myself yet. I would hope that someone as cold blooded as you sound can rest easy knowing that someone that you flamed to hell probably snapped and blew thier brains out. I am not that person you little sniveling “bitch”. I have never worshipped none of the people you named. What do you believe in Onion? Anarchy? People like you act like you know it all. What else do you do besides talk bad “s---” about what other people say. There is a more civil way to get across your views. I hope they are paying you well to spew “s---” out your mouth all the time. It is people like you I would stand toe to toe with to kick your ass cause you are hiding behind your little computer typing your propaganda. Come meat me in Ft. Smith Arkansas and see if you can put me out of my misery you little shill. Is what Beck is saying about Obama true? Has anyone watched his show to even answer my question? I know we all don’t like him but shutting yourself off from seeing what the MSM propaganda is saying just seems couterproductive to our cause. We need eyes and ears from patriots to give a heads up on what is happening. I was just trying to do that. No need to kill the messenger.
Oh, I think TJ could be right.

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Smokey Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:41 pm

Just ignor Onion he/she/it is a government agent. A shill, spoof, traitor!

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41. Hangtime55 Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 11:38 am

So what’s new ? We already know that policemen thru out this whole country are taking matters into their own hands and are enforcing their so called laws by their own disgression .

The part of this article where they state that their church was associated with the Aryan Nations a time back isn’t new either . The authorities have been trying to associate individulas and groups that are a threat to the present system to these radical extremeists in the attempt to justify their lawlessness . I’m surprised that the investigators of this incident didn’t place a ‘ Tea Party ‘ bumper stickeron the white van when they removed the licence plate . . .

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42. Insanity Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:03 pm

I doesn’t really matter what happened, the MSM and the globalist spin doctors are going to find a way to hammer it into a shape that serves them.

That being said, we need to stay focused on waking people up and coming up with localized solutions to undermine this corrupt system.

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43. The General Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:23 pm

I am sorry to confirm that the tragic story being reported, is true. My husband Jerry Kane and my 16 year old minor stepson Joseph Kane were both killed today by police in West Memphis, Arkansas. One of his dogs, Little Missy was killed as well. The other dog, Olie [Little Missys son] is barely hanging on, in the hospital with severe injuries.

Jerry Kane and Joseph Kane have helped thousands upon thousands of people, too many to even begin to list.

I will be traveling to West Memphis, Arkansas to make an ironclad identification and bring them back to Florida, this is their home and this is where they will rest, with me. I will also be bringing Olie back too, if he survives.

Thank you for all your skypes, emails. Some of you have sent donations, Jerry would have very much liked how so many of you have pulled together, sending thoughts, prayers and love my way. I gave Jerry my heart, now my heart is gone. I am on a mission now.

Please pray for them. Pray for everyone now because the very best of us has been killed today, by the for profit corporation.

Donna Lee Kane

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Jerry was on the phone with two witnesses when this all ended

Posted on: David Icke website forum

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44. The General Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:24 pm

Law enforcement officials have still not identified the Kane’s as the ones who killed the officers at the traffic stop. However, ALL the headlines presume it and all this drivel, false accusations, guilty until proven innocent articles have condemned them already. The only facts on the table at this point is that the Kane’s were killed by law enforcement. The videos are all there. The pictures are all there. The statements by law enforcement and the media are all there but where’s the proof?

Where’s the video and audio of the Kane’s shooting the officers at the traffic stop? NON-EXISTENT! Tell me the West Memphis Police don’t have audio and video capabilities in the patrol cars. They should have been able to screen to the public within minutes what happened. This information is still not available. WHY?

Oh, and then the drivel about white Supremacy groups from…oh what did they say 10 maybe 13 years ago that exists no longer? Jerry was not involved with it . I wonder if the van was that old.

It kills me to think of all the tragedy that has been done. I feel for the Kane’s (they left family too) and those who knew them and were helped by them. I feel for the officers and their families. I feel for the brothers and sisters in law enforcement who lost some of their own.

But WHERE is the proof that it was the Kane’s who killed the officers at the traffic stop? Nothing goes further until that is proved and the videos and audios are aired proving that claim. Otherwise it is nothing but hearsay. This will not end until the people know the truth and the drivel by law enforcement out of their mouths won’t prove a thing except a coverup. Holding back information from the people by law enforcement is a direct violation of the peoples ability to control their government and police forces. It’s the peoples information. NOT law enforcement’s information. Law enforcement are the peoples SERVANTS.

Here’s what my state constitution says…yours says something very similar:

Missouri Constitution | Article I

BILL OF RIGHTS | Section 3

August 28, 2009

Powers of the people over internal affairs, constitution and form of government.

Section 3. That the people of this state have the inherent, sole and exclusive right to regulate the internal government and police thereof, and to alter and abolish their constitution and form of government whenever they may deem it necessary to their safety and happiness, provided such change be not repugnant to the Constitution of the United States.

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Doc Holliday Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 2:32 pm

And where are the AK-47’s used to kill the cops.

Like I said before, I hope the cops did not attack the wrong suspects.
The suspects bodies should have residue from firing the weapons if in fact they did, and a forensic test should be done within a certain amount of time!

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45. The General Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:25 pm

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The General Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:48 pm

Jerry and Joe Kane: Heros or Villains? :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

I met Jerry and Joe in 2007.

He was a great man, a real human being who loved people and did everything he could to help others without interest for money.”Give me for the gas and food and I will go there,” he said when my friend Adiliawas about to lose her beautiful house in Lake Tahoe. And the same was at other occassions.

What the corporate news media is doing now, by interviewing the enemies of the Freedom Movementin the United States and publishing conflicting and inacurate information about Jerry Kane – which associate him with the evilness of racism – is with the intention of tainting a whole movement that is awakining from the tyrany of the elite bankers. What they are saying are pure lies. The Secod Amendment to the US Constitution clearly gives every American the license to own and carry a gun. And if Jerry owned one was because he feared for his life. And I have a feeling something extraordinary might have happened in that West Memphis highway on that day, in Arkansas, that caused the tragedy that killed the two police officers and Jerry and Joem and one of their two dogs.

Jerry, a legal seminarist, taught skills in how the people could defend themselves. He never advocated violence. His legal power was much powerful than firepower. But he felt the government wanted to silence him for uncovering the truth about mortagage fraud, information that is now filling up the court houses around the country by the people, and finding out that there is a legal remedy to their debts. And the goal of Jerry was that: teach as many as he could the tools for finding and executing their remedy.

In the name of all Latinos who benefited from the teaching and friendship of Jerry, may Jerry and Joe’s souls rest in peace in the Kingdom of God.

heros-heroines.blogspot dot com/2010/05/jerry-and-joe-kane-heros-or-villains.html

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46. The General Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

Teresa Castle (not verified)
May 21st, 2010

The van was given to Jerry Kane by the prior owner, in gratitude for Kane helping the prior owner to rescue his real property. Kane also helped create a temporary shelter for the homeless. Jerry and Joe Kane bore no relationship to white supremacist groups, nor any racist groups. Jerry and Joe Kane did not have a history of violence. De mortuis nil nisi bonum.

Posted on: Now Public dot com

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Doc Holliday Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 2:41 pm

Who, what, where, why, and how questions here need to be answered!

How long of a time span between given the vehicle and when it was registered last, expired tags, failure to register the vehicle, all need to be questioned.

Most cops call a plate in as soon as it is being pulled over for the cops safety in case something like this were to happen. There should be records showing what the cops intentions were since backup was called.

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47. The General Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:29 pm

I am sorry to confirm that the tragic story being reported, is true. My husband Jerry Kane and my 16 year old minor stepson Joseph Kane were both killed today by police in West Memphis, Arkansas. One of his dogs, Little Missy was killed as well. The other dog, Olie [Little Missys son] is barely hanging on, in the hospital with severe injuries.

Jerry Kane and Joseph Kane have helped thousands upon thousands of people, too many to even begin to list.

I will be traveling to West Memphis, Arkansas to make an ironclad identification and bring them back to Florida, this is their home and this is where they will rest, with me. I will also be bringing Olie back too, if he survives.

Thank you for all your skypes, emails. Some of you have sent donations, Jerry would have very much liked how so many of you have pulled together, sending thoughts, prayers and love my way. I gave Jerry my heart, now my heart is gone. I am on a mission now.

Please pray for them. Pray for everyone now because the very best of us has been killed today, by the for profit corporation.

Donna Lee Kane :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

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Jerry was on the phone with two witnesses when this all ended

Posted on: David Icke website forum

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duty is ours Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 11:10 pm

I, and I’m sure I’m not the only one, would like to be informed of those two witnesses’ accounts, even tho they were only on the phone & could not see. When & where would that be available? Doubt it will be on MSM.

My heart & prayers just go out for all the families of the slain and the injured.

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48. Toecutter Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:47 pm

This is reminiscent of the Gordon Kahl murder.

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49. Lion Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 2:01 pm

“In fact, the Guardians of the Free Republics group has consistently advocated non-violence and a philosophy based on the teachings of Martin Luther King, Jr. and Mohandas Gandhi.”

The passive activist is an oxymoronic myth, not a martyr. Don’t believe the revisionist stance about those historical figures, and don’t take my word for it.

If you’re not entitled by chapter and verse, you are in a state of religious persecution, but, even in their captivity, such patriarchs as Joseph and Moses were able to fulfill 2Corinthians 10, without forceful confrontation of any kind.

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The General Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 11:01 am

Jerry and Joe Kane: Heros or Villains?

I met Jerry and Joe in 2007.

He was a great man, a real human being who loved people and did everything he could to help others without interest for money.”Give me for the gas and food and I will go there,” he said when my friend Adiliawas about to lose her beautiful house in Lake Tahoe. And the same was at other occassions.

What the corporate news media is doing now, by interviewing the enemies of the Freedom Movementin the United States and publishing conflicting and inacurate information about Jerry Kane – which associate him with the evilness of racism – is with the intention of tainting a whole movement that is awakining from the tyrany of the elite bankers. What they are saying are pure lies. The Secod Amendment to the US Constitution clearly gives every American the license to own and carry a gun. And if Jerry owned one was because he feared for his life. And I have a feeling something extraordinary might have happened in that West Memphis highway on that day, in Arkansas, that caused the tragedy that killed the two police officers and Jerry and Joem and one of their two dogs

heros-heroines.blogspot dot com/2010/05/jerry-and-joe-kane-heros-or-villains.html

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The General Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 11:05 am

Sherry Peel Jackson: An Open Letter to Her Congressman

I am Sherry Peel Jackson, your former CPA. I am writing you because I am concerned about my health and my life. Prior to becoming a political prisoner I was the picture of health. In late June, 2009 I started experiencing a rapid heart beat on an irregular basis.

heros-heroines.blogspot dot com/2009/12/sherry-peel-jackson-open-letter-to-her.html

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50. Breathing Easy Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 4:01 pm

Another tragedy, innocent lives lost because of a mental incompetent who refused to live by any rules or laws other than those he created for himself. He gets his own son killed and the lives of 2 officers lose theirs also. For what? Because a selfish and deficient person only sees others as his failure. Sounds more like suicide by police to me.

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mr. J-RoS Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 6:57 am

And what facts is this statement based on?

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Breathing Easy Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:20 am

common sense. And a belief that not everything in this world is a vast conspiracy. Seems the only people NOT involved in some conspiracy are the few people that read this web site.

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duty is ours Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 8:54 am

MSM says that the son fired the first shot.

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51. yahsharahla Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 5:50 pm

NOTICE HOW EVERYONE WAS KILLING EACH OTHER AND THE MELINANTED DOG WAS THE SOUL SUVIVIOUR…WE CAN OUTLAST ANYTHING ..BUILT TO LAST EVEN CAN CAN TAKE HIGHER TEMPERTURES FROM THE SUN-RA WITHOUT USEING SUN BLOCK…BUILT GOD TOUGH

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52. crazycanuck Says:
May 22nd, 2010 at 11:23 pm

Some anomalies with the first pic:

(1.) Dead body of boy looks like his hands tied behind back or the hand was put behind the back by another person, most likely police officer. Plus, dead man’s hand is shown so as to show intended viewers that he is truly dead from “American Justice”. Like hey, don’t tamper with the scene of the crime.

(2.) Why is the license plate missing? Even if he did not believe in license plates he knew a lot about law and if he was at least half sane he would at least had some kind of plate on his vehicle.

(3.) passenger side rear window has been ripped out (most of weather stripping is torn right out). Personally, I think it is highly unlikely that the person on passenger side would have ripped off the window stripping in the heat of the battle but this is unclear. Professional coroner’s inquest needed on (3.).

(4.) (i)There appears to be a blood stain on passenger sliding door and it is only one small blotch the size of a silver dollar. If it is a blood stain, I guess it is common decency to close the door of the vehicle before you die.

(ii) Considering the back passenger side window torn out and the amount of bullets that have gone through that part of the vehicle (I count 17 bullets holes and we just don’t know how many went through the window directly) that this should suggest that if the boy was stationed in the back passenger area and had taken out back window to shoot he would have been hit by multiple shots. Therefore when, and if, he went out of vehicle there should be a lot more blood on the door which he looks to have ‘theoretically’ shut before collapsing on the ground outside of vehicle.

Guess we might have to classify this op as very Clintonesque in style. Remember the real bad guys always tamper with the evidence.

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duty is ours Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 8:49 am

There is raw video @ wmctv.com that shows the son (already dead, fallen over & forward) in the front seat with his arm bent & in front. It’s a zoom in as the chopper comes around the tree and the officers are approaching the van. They were in the van. This video was from the Channel 5 news chopper & being used by the police. It was breaking news live footage. They were already down at the location where the 2 cops were killed. The other local stations are wreg.com and myfoxmemphis.com. The last I heard, can’t remember which channel, was that the son fired the 1st shot and the officer was shot through the back of the head. (That came from a friend whose husband is a Mphs. cop–the head shot part.) Of course, it’s doubtful we’ll ever know all the answers.

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53. Lil Bastard Says:
May 23rd, 2010 at 12:04 am

I knew when I read the AP story in my local paper that it was bullsh|t. As soon as I saw Potok being quoted, it was obvious.

It’s like going to a Yankees game and the umpire makes a questionable call.

BULLSH|T! BULLSH|T BULLSH|T.

Can you imagine not having the internet to independently confirm the pablum the MSM presumes to feed us? There are a hell of a lot of people (Jay Rockefeller) that would like to see that day come again.

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Breathing Easy Reply:
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:16 am

Mentioning baseball. They have done study reviews using high speed cameras. Remarkably professional umpires are correct 96.4% of the time.

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54. 4Freedomrider Says:
May 24th, 2010 at 7:53 am

The alleged SVR report to Putin is scary but believable.

I don’t know what to believe.

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55. 4Freedomrider Says:
May 24th, 2010 at 8:15 am

When I first thought is it possible the cops were killed by friendly fire. I thought no they are professionals and have been highly trained. Then I watched them surround the van pointing guns in the direction of fellow officers it does seem more possible.

Lets see the camera footage from the road block from all the squad cars.

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duty is ours Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 8:53 am

Supposedly, MSM source–the cop talking that was hit in the shoulder after his release from hospital interview, they were the 1st cops there, shot before the others got there.

Link to continue reading any new comment posted in the infowars.com website: http://www.infowars.com/arkansas-cop-murders-frame-up-of-the-patriot-mov...

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ignorant people

the father and son deserved to die they killed a police man and ran off like if nothing happened im glad there dead, and this is why we are losing are gun rights because ignorant people like them.

History is written by the victors.

History is written by the victors.

Truth Movement Australia Website/Forum Taken Down By Adam Davis

6th June 2010

.............................. @hotmail.com wrote:

J M sent a message using the contact form at http://loveforlife.com.au/contact.

Hi,
I was just wondering about the --truth movement au-- forums-- ( http://truthmovementaustralia.com.au ) I have not been able to access them for weeks now and did also get a message that they had been stopped till further notice when I have tried to access and also most of the time I get a 404 error. I was wondering if there has been a problem with accessing the site or is it me?

Thanks

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6th June 2010

Hi J M
Adam Davis took it ( http://truthmovementaustralia.com.au ) down because of this:

Jerry & Joe Kane - Father & Son Killed In West Memphis By Police For Protecting Their Property - Media Twists Abound
http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/05/26/jerry-joe-kane-father-son-kil...

Message from Adam Davis to us is below.

See other posts like these one: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/05/27/adelaide-doomsday-cult-media-... and http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/05/21/we-will-lead-every-revolution...

All the best
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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27th May 2010 3:02 PM

Adam Davis sent a message using the contact form at http://loveforlife.com.au/contact.

Hi Arthur,
With the recent assassination of redemption members in the US I am doing my best to step away from anyone who is using this information. Because of this I would like to kindly ask that you remove my interview with Thomas Anderson from your website.

I got involved in the straw man research when I was still new to things, and although I completely agree with the right of every man to be free, I have to think about my family now, and am backing away from this kind of material completely. I hope you respect and understand my reasoning.

You are a good person and I sincerely wish you the best on your journey towards the truth.

regards,

Adam Davis

Brutalised - How New Zealand Police Treat The Peaceful

We received this group email last night from New Zealand
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Sunday 6th June 2010 03:22

My dearest friend, my heart goes out to you and your beautiful family. I haven't known you for long, but I already know your heart. Full of love for others. I'm so sorry you had to experience this brutality. There has to be accountability. We need to work together to stop this from continuing. Love you and your family.

Maree

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Brutalised

Lucky? We are brutally assaulted and kidnapped and they say we are lucky?


From Nat in New Zealand

Sunday 6th June 2010

Hello my dear friends and family,

I am sending out this email as a kind of affirmation of truth on a situation which occurred this week on Thursday night in between 10:30 pm and 1am in the morning.

My husband (Tino) myself, my son (Theo) and our nephew (Eric) were traveling to our friend Judy's home to deliver her some beautiful fresh field mushrooms (Sorry Judy, will get back to you on that...!)...:)

As we were coming through the lights at the intersection of Sales Rd and Te Iririrangi Dr, there were about 4 police cars in sight, as we proceeded through the green light, the cars ahead of us slowed right down, forcing us to pretty much stop in the middle of the intersection, because of this we caught the tail end of the red light. Coming through the red light with us was a police car. They turned on their lights for us to pull over, so we did so, I immediately began recording the incident on my nephews cell phone.

Tino gave me permission to talk on his behalf, so I proceed to ask the the officer her name and number and nature of this detention, the woman police officer gave me her details and said that we ran a red light. I asked if she was a peace officer and she said yes, I asked if she witnessed us breach the peace, she said she didn't want to talk to me that she wanted to talk to the driver, I said he isn't driving, he is traveling, and that it was our understanding that there was no law prohibiting us from travelling or moving freely in this country.

The woman officer said she was going to call for her senior Sargent to come and that we were to wait, I asked if we were being detained and she said no, I asked if we were free to go, and she said no, so asked again if we were being detained, she said you are not being detained but you can't go anywhere.

Shortly after, the sergeant arrived and appeared to be quite flustered. I asked for his name and his ID number, he said he doesn't have to answer my questions and said if I didn't shut my mouth he would have me! Tino told him that I have permission to talk on his behalf and I told the policeman that I was Tino's lay advisor as he doesn't understand.

The Sargent was growing visibly angry with the situation and pulled the keys out of the ignition and pointed to one of the many many police now surrounding our automobile and said get her, motioning to me. I said I do not consent to you entering my private automobile and he became more irate and came around to my door and when he found it locked he looked me in the eye and smiled at me menacingly and showed me that he had the keys and started trying to unlock my door. I held the lock shut. Then he turned to the back door of my van and it was open, he was motioning to even more officers to help him drag me from the front seat, through to the back and out the back sliding door.

Now this is the part where it all went really really crazy!! My son Theo, was begging them not to do this, that mum (me) has a broken shoulder and it was not healed yet...... the Sargent said the word obstruction and pulled out a short black rubber batten and began hitting Theo on his hands and all around his arms, he then told the other officers to drag Theo out and they officers were swearing and laughing, My Hubby was saying hey leave him alone, he hasn't done anything, why are you hurting him??

They pulled him from the van and started kicking him, punching him in the face and they forced him to the ground and were kneeing him in the chest, all the time they were mocking him and swearing at him. I can't help but sob my heart out while typing this because if anyone knows Theo, they know that he wouldn't harm a fly I mean, he's really preparing to go on his mission right now. In fact when he recovered from being winded, I over heard him say, you don't have to do this, I'm a peaceful person, and he even said, I forgive you and you are all my brothers and I love you all!! Of course this was only met with more mocking etc...

Anyway, I couldn't stand seeing Theo getting beaten, so I got out of the van and laid on top of Theo and absorbed some of the blows.

They dragged me to the ground and Theo was calling out about my arm and they pulled my arm as far back as they could until I screamed. They knocked me onto my front and I called out that I could be pregnant and after I said this someone put their knee into my lower back and put all of their weight onto me, suffocating me. I felt faint and kind of lost a couple of seconds and then I heard someone maybe Theo or my hubby saying that I am a chronic asthmatic and next minute I'm on my feet and the Sargent puts the cuffs on my as tight as he could, and I mean tight. He smiled at me and said "comfortable?" So my broken shoulder is burning with pain, I can't breath and probably the adrenaline kicked in because all of a sudden I could breath just fine, I kind of had a refreshing this happen to me, I dunno.......... can't explain this part.....

While I was on the ground, I remember some people coming to our aid from the houses and the police shout at them to stay back, keep away.

They take my hubby myself and my son to the Manukau police station and after an hour or so they release us........ and say we are lucky we don't have to go to court....???!!!

Lucky? We are brutally assaulted and kidnapped and they say we are lucky?

We are active members of our church! We don't smoke, drink, swear, gamble, we are morally clean and we try to keep all the commandments as far as we know them! My son is innocent, I'm innocent! What is going on you ask?

I claim to know what is going on, I am awake to our awful situation as spoken of by Moroni in the book of Mormon and he said that a secret combination is going to try to take away the freedom of all countries and I believe that they are already well established in most governments around the world. Either 8 Read Chapter 18 - 26 also take a look at these videos... (see below)

This weekend I have also witnessed a baby being stolen from the arms of his father! And guess what, it was the wrong baby...... the police kicked in my friends door, arrested her and ripped an 18 month old child from his fathers arms!! It is the long weekend and the police won't say where her baby is even though it is not the baby on the piece of paper the police came with. I will be uploading this video to you tube as soon as I can. and I'll send you all links.

I welcome all your comforting words my brothers and sisters as we all do at times........

There is an evil behind these stories and I am not afraid to do what is right and let the consequence follow!

Love you all and I hope to hear from you all soon.

Kia Kaha!

Nat :)

Video: NZ Police Stealing Wrong Child Away From Peaceful Parents! - 8 Minutes 29 Seconds


Video: The War in Heaven: Continues on Earth Today (Messages from LDS/Mormon Prophets, Apostles, 70's) - 7 Minutes 33 Seconds - This is a video about the War in Heaven, between Christ and Lucifer, between good and evil, agency and force, Liberty/Freedom and captivity.

Jerry & Joe Kane Father & Son Killed In West Memphis By Police

This is only the beginning.

Since 2007/2008 we have been warning everyone we can reach (those who are using their brains), the free man/sovereignty/commercial redemption/honour-dishonour route for freedom, in the long run will not work, that it will be revealed as a complete waste of life-force-energy unless we apply the ONLY remedy that will work.... "COMMUNITY IMMUNITY" (KINDOMS - DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES), but to create that means completely overcoming self-centeredness. We have written heaps about this since 2005.

Yesterday, within a few hours of posting this article we received two phone calls explaining Jerry & Joe Kane were assassinated, that it was cold-blooded, that witnesses are frightened for their lives.

After hearing about the fate of Jerry & Joe Kane, Adam Davis (founder of the Truth Movement Australia website) contacted us yesterday asking to take down the interviews he did with Thomas Anderson. He is now concerned for his family and future! He is pulling out of the freeman/sovereignty movement. We warned Adam about this movement early last year. His situation is a lot more complicated than most.

We also received a phone call yesterday from a stranger warning us that our lives are now on the line, that plans are a-foot to kill us. This is the second call we have received from this stranger (possibly Federal police or other intel), the 1st call was about the pending raid on Agape Ministry Of God 4 months ago. This call is now on top of the 4 death threats we have already received since November 2009, one of those calls was traced back to the NSW Head Office of Police in Surry Hill, Sydney.

A text message was received yesterday that a big military build up is in progress. A large flotilla of war ships, aircraft, U.S. & Aussie troops heading to positions in the Middle East. Message says to stock up food for at least one month because intel is warning of disruptions to services. As yet, we have not had this information verified as fact but we would not be surprised.

The PTB needs to create a major issue, one that will cause a series of waves leading to military law, curfews, economic collapse, etc. Protected by the heavy fog of international & domestic chaos PTB lackeys will be rounding up everyone targeted by them. Back in 2007/2008 we warned everyone we could reach that the internet is a great PTB intelligence gathering tool and a measuring stick for assessing and accelerating plans and if required, implement back-up plans. Remember, this is their REAL war against all of us. We indicated quite a few times since 2007, the PTB are pushing forward their long-term plans by 3 to 4 years..... "We will head them off at the pass"!

Copy/Paste from a recent comment..........

"Once the rule of law sedatives and prescripted medications (claim of right/life) wear thin the PTB are left with one final solution to control the sheeple..... FORCE as in genocide. The scam has now come full-circle. The final solution is all they have left. After invading all the supposed new lands across the earth, genocide/eugenics was used to clear the way (hundreds/thousands of millions murdered) before they introduced their rule-of-law sedatives and other prescripted medications to keep dumb and stupid subjects as their slaves. Are the PTB really going to allow millions/billions of claim-of-rights to burst through the gates of all their enclosures? Do you really think they will gracefully stand aside?

A base Molotov cocktail of poisons, chemicals and toxins has been placed in the bodies of most of us and with the addition of electronic/magnetic/digital frequencies/pulses, earth-wide genocide is just around the corner with a flick of a switch. The PTB planned for this long ago. (Philadelphia experiment, Haarp, Reagan Star-War Laser Satellites, Chemtrails, Digital Towers, etc).

The earthly culling will be blamed on others..i.e, alien invasion, ufo attacks, nations, collateral damage, etc,. While culling back to roughly 500 million people, the PTB will be introducing, via their "Good Guys", their updated Anti-Life system, again loaded with sedatives and prescripted medications for their subjects. Don't forget the PTB still control all aspects of the present anti-life system. The "Good Guys" include many PTB planted heroes and a self-fulfilling prophecy saviour/messiah/prophet/pahana/bahana/meitreya/metraya, etc.

There is a remedy but it ain't found in the PTB anti-life system."

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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The Cristian Family November 2006

Adelaide Doomsday Cult Media Spin - Agape Ministry Of God
Are We Revisiting Waco?

By Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

25th May 2010 12:58 AM

We received news via mobile phone about this pending Agape Ministry Of God media event around 4 months ago from an insider, possibly from within Federal Police. We are not sure where he was from but he knew his stuff, had a very good grip on this Agape Ministry Of God matter (photos and many links provided below) and had a finger on the pulse of the goings on behind the scenes of police, government and other agencies. He also read all the Ringing Cedars books a few times over, was fully aware about the dream of Kindom and could tell in his voice that this MAN was troubled by a conscience that was awakening real fast. It seems to be the only reason why he rang us. He had children and deeply loved nature.

We realised 4 months ago the Agape Ministry Of God was going to be a PTB white washing event (there are others in the pipeline too), to establish precedence causing changes in law and public perception about people coming together to co-create communities. This PTB media event is along similar lines to 9/11 and the resulting Patriot Act. We have written about such whitewashing/white-anting scenarios coming down the line orchestrated by the PTB since 2007. This Agape Ministry Of God media event tells us all very clearly that "community immunity" is the PTB greatest fear of all and is what we must co-create OUT IN THE OPEN for all to see as a gift of life. We briefly touched on the Ten Steps of Kindom originally back in 2007: The Ten Steps Of Kindom by Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life 23rd October 2008: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5788 We'll shortly revisit & upgrade this general discussion into a polished article.

[Picture: Pastor Leo Rocco]

There is not a week goes past where phone calls from plants are received acting as interested parties in the dream for Kindom and its so easy to suss them out within 30 seconds or so of answering their calls. We feel them, feel their intent. Some ring regularly while others only ring once. It's obvious they record the chats hoping to catch us out and use these recordings against us one day. The truth keeps being brought up in a variety of ways which stuffs up their recordings. It is also very important that we keep posting everything we say and do out in the open for all to see. The dream of Kindom we created taps into the energy of the PTB and all their lackeys. Everytime they do anything against the Cristian Family, others, including community immunity/Kindoms/Do No Harm Communities, etc, there energy feeds the Kindom dream 100 fold. No matter what they do their actions exposes them out in the open for all to see, evokes the conscience in many for the first time, both white collar lackeys and average Joe's & Mary's, supports the dream of Kindom, inspires co-creation of Kindom for the first time in the hearts of many and causes many of their white collar lackeys to begin the planning steps of fleeing the anti-life system they are caught up in. More on this shortly in another article.

Have a read of the heartfelt inspired insights we included yesterday within the latest article we posted last week... please read from the section LIFE onwards. This post is getting hundreds of thousands of visits. "We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us" So Say The Hooded Ones Of Black-Magic by Arthur Cristian - Love For Life - 22nd May 2010 (updated 23rd May 2010 10.04pm): http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7317

The next article to be posted which we finished early last week is going to be gut wrenching for any freedom-truther who reads it and has a conscience. It's based on the after effects of the Mark McMurtrie article we posted recently and the events surrounding Eilish De Avalon. We explain in great detail how information we think and feel that is truth, brings us closer and closer together during times of hardships/challenges, while information we think and feel that are lies, push us further and further apart.

We will also write an article about this Adelaide Doomsday Cult Media Spin exposing all the PTB tactics and what their objectives are. If you want to contribute to this article please forward all your thoughts, feelings, insights, facts, etc, during the next 3 days, and we will include it, anonymously or not, according to your wishes.

All the best
Arthur Cristian
Love For Lifestian
Love For Life

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Mark n Karen wrote:

Same operations are happening here in Qld, Victoria & NO DOUBT all over Australia. Folks need to read between the lines & I am sure most today do read between the lines. Who believes the media any longer? Hey, an answer STOP BUYING NEWSPAPERS & LISTENING TO THEIR CONVOLUTED MEDIA! Lets create our own independent media & steam roll the elites brainwashing campaign
Regards

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Hi Everyone,

Please circulate this one, Adelaide has this article splashed all over the front page of the Sunday Mail...this property is not very far from our place, maybe 10 mins!!...

Here we have Waco all over again...fortunately there was no-one home when the Police arrived (and fortunate we don't have the ATF here)...The same media spin has been used but this time WAY over the top, making wild associations and outlandish claims, just read the article to see for yourself...

How dare they build a survival bunker, how dare they watch videos by Alex Jones....what were these nutjobs doing? conspiracies...damn conspiracies...they even threw 9/11 in there...note the keywords they use here children, guns, zealots, cult, brainwashing, hideout, shoot-out, doomsday and conspiracy.

Even the Bilderbergs, Tri Lateral Commission and Rockefeller's get a mention...they've thrown in the whole box of conspiracy lore here. The funniest part is the statements about taking over the island of Vanuatu by using deadly force to wipe out the natives...bwaahhaahahah!

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Pacific Islands Hunt For Cult Leader Rocco Leo

By BRYAN LITTLELY
From: The Advertiser

27th May 2010 12:31AM

FIJIAN immigration officials and the Vanuatu Christian Council are hunting fugitive doomsday cult leader Rocco Leo, after receiving information this week that the Agape Ministries pastor could have secretly entered their countries.

"Pastor" or "Brother Roc", as he is known in Fiji and Vanuatu, escaped the Australian Federal Police security network after raids on his Mt Magnificent compound and Adelaide properties uncovered a hidden cache of firearms and ammunition.

Raids by 90 police on a number of homes found 15 guns and 35,000 rounds of ammunition.

Members of the cult had shooting practice on a range at the Mt Magnificent compound in preparation for "doomsday" in 2012 when the cult would flee to a Vanuatu island stronghold.

Police have not released details of their investigations on Mr Leo's whereabouts, but Fiji's Immigration Department is investigating a report from Australian police suggesting he may have fled there.

Fiji's immigration director, Nemani Vuniwaqa, confirmed receiving the information on Mr Leo.

"We are trying to verify when and how he got into the country," Mr Vuniwaqa said yesterday.

"I have already assigned a team to conduct the investigations as we were not aware about him being in the country."

The Vanuatu Christian Council is on "full alert" for Mr Leo to re-enter rural villages he preached in last year.

Pastor Shem Tema said the council was working closely with government departments to discover if Mr Leo was in the country.

He told the Vanuatu Daily Post that Vanuatu's government had given the council authority to look into whether fugitives were "hiding" in the country and a threat to orderliness.

If so, it was the council's duty to advise the authorities to tell them to leave.

"Pastor Roc" claims to be a spiritual healer. He stayed in rural Luganville last year, accompanied by a man and a woman.

A Luganville resident said the man was hoping to get in contact with villagers to get "land for free" to build a church.

"He was charismatic and claimed to be a spiritual leader who healed people. He knew how to get through to the villagers," he said.

The concern is that villagers in Vanuatu can easily be swayed by any preacher who says he can heal. The Vanuatu Christian Council consists of five mother churches: Presbyterian, Anglican, Roman Catholic, Church of Christ and Apostolic.

Link to this article: http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/pacific-islands-hunt-for-cul...

Zealots Ready For Battle In Adelaide Hills


Fiona McWhirter
From: Sunday Mail (SA)

23rd May 2010 12:02AM

MEMBERS of the Agape doomsday cult were being trained in marksmanship at a specially designed gun range at their secret Adelaide Hills compound, a former follower has claimed.

The former member, who asked to be known only as Trevor, said children as young as six were included in the groups of about a dozen people who visited the Kuitpo farm, where shooting practice and training regularly took place.

He also told the Sunday Mail:

CALLS for weapons were made by Agape Ministries leaders in a bid to create a defence against police who might storm the organisation's HQ and "take members captive".

FIREARMS were gathered by cult members, many of whom belonged to gun clubs.

OTHER churches were aware of Agape's weapon stockpiling, with one pastor pleading with his congregation to pray for the Agape members to "come to their senses".

Trevor spoke to the Sunday Mail yesterday as police continued to investigate the cult after officers uncovered a cache of weapons and ammunition during the week in raids on 13 properties linked to the organisation.

He said he had joined the group with his wife and children a number of years ago after being told that leader Rocco Leo had a "direct contact with God".

The family attended Leo's church weekly until Trevor became uneasy after discovering Leo "proclaimed to be God", and attempted to stockpile weapons. "Rocco actually put out his feelers through the congregation to get some firearms, as much as they could get, whatever they could get," Trevor said.

He explained Leo's motives as: "If the police ever took anyone - congregation members - captive, they would attack and get them out."

He said he and his family were not involved in the gun-gathering.

He said cult members, including women and children, were taken to Agape's Kuitpo compound in groups of about 12 to be taught "how to shoot properly" at a specially designed firing range - although he could not say if the youngsters had handled the guns.

"They were doing shooting practices up at Kuitpo, they were learning how to shoot properly," Trevor said. "They used to go, maybe 10 people, 12, 13 maybe; sometimes they would even sleep there, women went there too, children too.

"I know a guy who was practising nearly shot himself in the foot, so I think they scaled down after that.

"After that, we were told by Rock (Leo) to go and start learning how to use a gun and learn how to shoot. This is when the farm became obsolete and the island (Vanuatu) came into play.

"We were told to go learn how to shoot because if the natives that are there (on Vanuatu) uprise, we were to defend ourselves; the main thing was just to wipe them out and take over the whole island - that's why the weapons were there."

Today Tonight reporter Frank Pangallo, who has been investigating the cult, said the group planned to take over the island and run it like a "paramilitary organisation".

Members arriving on Vanuatu were told they would have to rip up their passports, throw away their mobile phones and cut off contact with family and friends back home.

No options would be given to leave the island, where a "three strikes and you're out" rule would see members "stoned to death" if they transgressed the teachings of the church three times.

Another church insider, who asked not to be named, told the Sunday Mail Leo was backed by two men, one of whom is aged in his 50s and is known as The Enforcer.

Neither of the men can be named for legal reasons.

The insider said The Enforcer was a "nice guy" with an aggressive streak. "He was a very depressive person, his moods would change; but when he was normal, he was a likeable person," he said.

He was descibed as "more a leader than a follower" who went on to work in the security industry and seemed to want to "prove himself". Another former member, who also did not want to be named, said unless followers agreed with Leo 100 per cent, they were considered "possessed". "You ask one question, you're dead or you go to hell. That's how bad he was," he said.

Another former worshipper at the cult's Oakden headquarters has spoken about the "con" used by Leo to encourage members to part with their money.

The woman said the "con artist" referred to the Bible saying people should contribute 10 per cent of their income to the church.

"At services they'd play videos of testimonials from people who said they had experienced miracles and he would promise to perform miracles for others," she said.

The woman said Leo claimed the donated money was spent on helping others but a room had recently been fully renovated like a "palace".

"It looked like a palace, it had marble fittings, huge mirrors and huge lighting fixtures like chandeliers - I think it was used for entertaining," she said.

As well as a wife, Leo was understood to have a girlfriend - Mari Antoinette Veneziano, former manager of now defunct Pirie St coffee shop Butterflies Cafe.

Mari's brother, Joe, was also said to be a close associate of Leo.

It is understood Leo was in Fiji during the week with Ms Veneziano and her brother.

Superintendent Jim Jeffery said police knew the location of Leo and "two of his close leaders", and said they would attempt to speak to them "at an appropriate time". Four male cult members have already been charged with firearms offences.

Senator Nick Xenophon said yesterday new laws regarding cults should be introduced.

"This highlights the need for anti-cult laws, as they have in Europe, where an organisation can be declared a cult and the people under the influence of the cult can be protected," he said.

"This cult has been enjoying tax-free status; if you're registered as a religion in Australia, you don't have to pay tax, the rules around disclosure are very different, there's a lack of accountability."

Link to this article: http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/zealots-ready-for-bat...

Police Raid Agape Ministries of God Doomsday Cult Properties

By ANDREW DOWDELL & KATE KYRIACOU
From: AdelaideNow.com.au

22nd May 2010 12:01AM


Police raided a container at a property on O.G.Rd and found bedheads filled with ammunition. Picture: TOM LEE - Source: AdelaideNow

POLICE believe they know where Adelaide doomsday cult leader Rocco Leo and two of his henchmen are hiding, after a third day of raids yesterday uncovered even more ammunition in a fifth shipping container.

The mother of one of the Agape Ministries founding members also revealed she had complained of their activities months ago to Families SA, reporting that her two grandchildren, girls aged six and eight, had been promised in marriage to middle-aged men.

On Thursday, police raided 12 properties owned by the sect in Adelaide and south of the city, including its Oakden headquarters, and charged four men.

They are hunting Leo and two of his associates after former members alleged he was behind a scheme involving millions of dollars donated by sect members.

Superintendent Jim Jeffery said police yesterday found metal bed frames inside a shipping container dumped behind an O.G. Rd business in Klemzig. They contained a hidden cache of ammunition.

Police have alleged that the containers appear to have been packed ready for transport overseas.

Supt Jeffery said police had a "fair idea" of where to find the missing cult leader.

"We've been able to ascertain where we believe Mr Leo and two of his close leaders are and at this point in time - or at an appropriate time - we will attempt to locate and speak to them," he said.

The leaders, who believe the Apocalypse is coming in 2012, espouse a puritanical life which forbids swearing and sex before marriage.

But, like all the best cults, the rules are different for the chosen few.

Leo and his inner sanctum of disciples have free rein to choose congregation members' daughters as their "little brides" once they reach legal age, according to an Adelaide couple who say they were lucky to escape the cult's clutches.

John and Julie - not their real names - have told The Advertiser of the bizarre belief system which has been hardwired into the minds of followers by Leo, known to converts as the benevolent "Brother Rock".

Another Adelaide woman, Lesley Baligod, said her son Raphael had been among those who started the cult in the mid-1990s.

She said she contacted Families SA two months ago over concerns for the safety of her two young grandchildren.

Mrs Baligod said she believed they had been living with a senior cult member known as "The Enforcer" - a man responsible for carrying out death threats on anyone planning to leave the church.

"I spoke to a staffer at the department and detailed what I believe were serious threats to my granddaughters' welfare," she said.

"I explained that this was a cult; that they were planning to travel to a remote island in Vanuatu where they would be isolated from the rest of the world while they prepared for the end of the world.

"I also have concerns about the intentions of cult members towards my grandchildren and that they were living with an undesirable person.

"I detailed my fears about the behaviour of cult leader Rocco Leo but was told that on evidence nothing could be done."

Mrs Baligod said her eight-year-old granddaughter had been promised in marriage to "The Enforcer" and the six-year-old to another senior "thug".

She said at least 12 children were associated with the cult.

Senior staffers from Families SA spent 30 minutes with the two young girls yesterday and an hour with Raphael and his wife.

The girls' parents denied they had been living with another cult member or that the organisation was preparing for the end of the world.

Families SA said they found no evidence that the children were in any danger.

Former cult member John said Brother Rock preaches that "there is no Jesus, there is no God, there are no Saints and there are no Angels".

"There is just the Lord and Brother Rock, who is the anointed Man of God," John explained.

Aligned with similar 2012 Doomsday theories, convicted criminal Leo has convinced his flock that the Earth's population will be unwittingly implanted with mind-controlling microchips.

"They truly believe in this Armageddon, you know, the end of the world in 2012. That's what he kept saying, `we are going to run out of time because all the people in the world are going to have these chips'," John said.

Brother Rock also preached that once these mircochips were inside each of us, we could be monitored by omnipotent powers who could "flick a switch" and have anyone killed at a moment's notice.

"And I said to them, why out of the cajillion people in the world is the Lord only going to save a couple of hundred people from Oakden in little old Adelaide?" said John.

"And the answer was 'because He is' and that's when it got to the point when I started to disbelieve."

Julie chimes in: "That's what they are running away from - being chipped."

Brother Rock's solution? Move his entire church and congregation to a remote island in Vanuatu.

Julie said disciples are forbidden to have sex before marriage and lovemaking even between couples is dirty and should be reserved for procreation.

Julie and John also said they felt chills when another senior elder earmarked an eight-year-old girl as one of his "little brides" at a barbecue for cult members.

"There is a lady whose son has gone there and her granddaughter is eight or whatever and (the elder) said `I'll take that one'," Julie said.

"They stake claims on little children, she would be eight that little girl and he would be close to 50 and says that when she is of legal age she will be one of my wives."

Brother Rock conducts these illegitimate weddings inside the heavily fortified Oakden church, patrolled by snarling German Shepherd guard dogs trained to attack on command.

Neighbours say sect members have become increasingly detached in recent times as they prepare for impending doom.

Shipping containers have raised suspicions the group was swinging into action a plan to relocate to a Pacific island, with members recently liquidating assets and selling homes.

Sitting at their kitchen table sipping cappuccino, it seems incongruous that John and Julie could find themselves entangled in the net of a Doomsday cult.

But desperation is a powerful emotion.

Stricken by a debilitating illness that confounded John's doctors and specialists, Julie sought help from one of the Agape Ministries' elders who claimed to have healing powers.

"We were at our worst, we were vulnerable, we were desperate . . . she rang up (the elder) and said can you please help - at that point I would have cut my legs off for this to go away, I had been to doctors, specialists," John recalled.

Ten days later - after stopping medication and repeating phrases from the cult's Bible - John said the illness was completely gone.

Despite the "miracle" cure, it was less than a year before John and Julie suspected there was something very wrong inside Brother Rock's Oakden church, which had been transformed from a rundown former mental hospital into a salubrious Versace-like palace.

John - a successful small businessman in his own right - said Brother Rock is selective about who he will allow into the fold.

"There would be no one in that congregation who would be from Davoren Park or Salisbury or Elizabeth, not unless you were a wealthy business owner," he said.

Those who do file into the Oakden compound for weekly prayer sessions fork out 10 per cent of all their income for the enlightenment which Brother Rock affords them.

Julie and John say they were fearful for what could have happened if Leo had succeeded in his apparent scheme to relocate his congregation to an island in Vanuatu.

"They're saying that Brother Rock is taking us all to this island, he's paying for everything - well of course he's paying, with your bloody money stupid," a frustrated Julie says.

"The idea of this island in Vanuatu was for Brother Rock to get them there at his so-called expense with their own money, build all these houses, and then of course he would have all their money and he would never go back there again and he would have all their money," John says.

"If he's not convicted of any criminal offence that money is legally his because he hasn't stolen it and they have given it to him freely."

John said: "One night I took (another potential member) aside and I said, go on the internet and look up Waco."

In 1993, 82 members of the Branch Davidian sect, including self-proclaimed Messiah David Koresh, died during a fiery 50-day siege inside their compound at Waco, Texas.

"That is basically the only thing in my head . . . if you read about Waco and what happened, that's what I thought was going to happen, he's going to get them all on this farm and poison them all or make them commit suicide which is how you are going to be with the Lord by taking this," John said.

Brother Rock has also convinced his followers that he received Divine powers when he came back from the dead when he was four years old.

After drowning and being dead for four hours, his mother held his corpse up to God and he was miraculously revived, they believe.

Whole families of converts also have no cause to doubt their leader when he tells them he and other elders are immortal, and that he has visited a Tongan man who is 189 years old.

While Leo remains on the run and with the sect seemingly in tatters, John and Julie said they feel genuinely sorry for its followers, who they described as mainly "lovely people".

Reporter Frank Pangallo, of Channel 7's Today Tonight program, exposed the sect this week after an investigation which began in March.

Worried church members contacted the program with stories of missing money, bullying and intimidation by the cult leaders, he said.

"Rocco Leo and his cohorts are extremely dangerous people," Pangallo said. "They're people who deal in high-powered firearms and they intended to set-up their own paramilitary group."

Senator Nick Xenophon - who says he warned the government of the activities of the cult months ago - said authorities needed to seize the assets of the Agape Ministries.

"I think the first priority has to be the welfare of the children," he said. "Just yesterday I spoke to people who lost their home with this organisation by the money they have handed over to them."

When The Advertiser visited the Leo family home at Campbelltown yesterday, a woman who identified herself as Rocco Leo's daughter said her father was not home and she did not want to comment.

Link to this article: http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/police-raid-agape-ministries-of-god-doomsd...

Police Raid Agape Ministries of God Doomsday Cult Properties


CourierMail.com.au
By Staff writers
From: AdelaideNow

21st May 2010 12:31AM


Police search a property at Hilltop Road, Oakden. Pic Chris MANGAN Source: AdelaideNo

THEY believe the Apocalypse is looming in 2012, but for the leaders of the Agape Ministries cult, their world yesterday tumbled down.

After 90 heavily armed police swooped on 12 properties owned by the sect in Adelaide and south of the city, three church elders were last night being sought by police.

Church leader Rocco Leo - known to his congregation as Brother Rock - was among those whose whereabouts were last night unknown.

Leo, 54, has a criminal record for running a brothel in the 1980s. Former members say he is behind a fraud involving millions of dollars donated by sect members.

Those sect members are required to pass on 10 per cent of their earnings.

The Agape Ministries believes the world will end in 2012, and has attracted several hundred people to its "House of God" at Oakden, in Adelaide's northeast.

Police charged four men after the raids yesterday and on Wednesday, but are still seeking at least three senior members.

"Police have not been able to locate the leaders of Agape Ministries or its key personnel," Superintendent Jim Jeffery said.

"We don't know of their whereabouts (but) there's nothing to cause us to believe they are not in Australia."

Supt Jeffery said police were concerned that while ammunition was found in the raids, high-powered guns believed to be possessed by the cult were missing.

An Upper Sturt man, 46, will face Adelaide Magistrates Court and a Mt Compass man, 49, will appear in Christies Beach Magistrates Court next month. Two other men - one, 38, of Oakden, the other, 48, of Aberfoyle Park - were reported for firearm offences and will be summoned to appear in court later.

Fifteen illegal firearms and extendable batons were found in the raids, while Major Fraud detectives also seized financial records.

A core group of about 60 believed the cult leaders would use their money to buy a Pacific Ocean island to build a Christian colony for the congregation, police said.

A former cult member has told The Advertiser that church members are brainwashed into believing that life on Earth will end after microchips are implanted into everyone by the end of 2012.

Supt Jeffery would not say if money was seized in the raids but he said the ministry had built up a substantial fund from pledges by the congregation.

He said some members had sold their homes and given the proceeds to the church to buy the Pacific Island colony.

He said police believed church leaders had been making arrangements to move offshore.

Information from former Agape church followers and the criminal history of "some of the people involved" sparked the investigation, which included federal police and Customs dogs specially trained in locating firearms and ammunitions.

Two weapons and two batons were located at the church's main headquarters in Oakden - which was bought by Mr Leo for about $500,000 but put on the market recently for $5 million.

Batons, fuses, detonators, detonator cords and about 20,000 rounds of high-powered ammunition was found at a church-owned property on Blackfellows Creek Rd, Mt Magnificent, east of Mt Compass.

Supt Jeffery said the ammunition was hidden inside the steel frames of bedheads and also in shipping containers..

"By the looks of the shipping containers there, they were having plans to relocate overseas but, of course, we don't know the reasons for stockpiling weapons or why they secreted ammunition inside those containers," Supt Jeffery said. "High-powered ammunition is very concerning and we haven't located the firearms that go with that ammunition, which is very concerning."

At the Oakden church yesterday, neighbour and businessman George Kruszewski said one hectare of land was offered for sale to him for $5 million about three months ago, by church "financier' John Mouhalos.

Last month, Mouhalos walked free from the District Court on a suspended sentence over a 2007 assault of a man who borrowed money from him, as well as over the discovery of two pistols inside his car.

In sentencing, Judge Paul Cuthbertson found that Rocco Leo - who gave evidence in Mouhalos' defence - was an "unbelievable" witness.

Mr Kruszewski said Mouhalos also said he could organise business loans of $10 million upwards and that the church owned properties in Queensland, Melbourne and the leaders were considering buying a island outside Australia.

"It's probably more of a business than a cult . . . the inner circle of people there seemed to be involved in finance and business and that sort of thing," he said.

The inside of the ageing building, which was originally part of the Hillcrest Mental Hospital, was renovated and furnished with expensive chandeliers, marble benches and other equipment plus a "huge" warehouse at the back", Mr Kruszewski said.

"It's not the sort of place you'd say looked like a church when you've got lots of building materials, coldrooms and a commercial kitchen in there," he said.

He said Leo and Mouhalos had been friendly and welcoming when they first moved in but the group had become progressively "secretive" and kept "a low profile" in recent years.

Mr Kruszewski said about 100 people attended the Sunday church meetings with about 50 cars parked inside a large locked iron gate. He had attended several Sunday meetings in which "Brother Rock" had preached from the Bible.

"He was putting himself up as a great healer and a person who's got authority," he said.

"It didn't attract me, I could see right through it."

Several neighbours said four German shepherd guard dogs always patrolled inside the fence at Oakden.

Meanwhile, at the cult's Mt Magnificent property, an "Exclusion Notice - by order of the High Court of Australia" on the front gate suggested a lack of hospitality.

With at least six main buildings and a stern warning that trespassers risked a $500,000 fine, it is unlikely any lost hiker would find their way on to the retreat, situated near Mt Compass south of Adelaide.

Yesterday, the only people to pass the private property notice were police, who spent the afternoon scouring the farm for firearms and other evidence.

A police diving team searched the murky depths of a large dam before moving to a rusting rainwater tank.

Children's play equipment was set up metres from dormitory-style accommodation, although neighbours said they had only noticed adults come and go.

"They never come near us," dairy farmer Geoff Anderson said.

"We wouldn't have spoken two words in two years ... they're some kind of doomsday mob that's all I've heard."

Mr Anderson said he had heard gunshots from the property but not enough to rouse suspicion.

Reporting by: DOUG ROBERTSON, ANDREW DOWDELL, KATE KYRIACOU

Link to this article: http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/police-raid-agape-ministries...

South Australian Police Raid Agape Ministries of God 'Doomsday Cult'

HeraldSun.com.au
By staff writers
From: The Advertiser

20th May 2010 3:50PM

POLICE have seized an arsenal of weapons, high-powered ammunition and explosives from South Australian properties linked to a doomsday cult.

About 90 police have been involved in searches over the past two days targeting 12 properties owned by a religious sect known as the Agape Ministries of God, which allegedly believes the world is coming to an end.

Detectives today raided a property which was formerly part of the Hillcrest psychiatric hospital at Oakden, where they removed numerous boxes from three shipping containers, AdelaideNow said.

They also were at Mt Magnificent, where they were searching a dam.

Major Fraud detectives said they had arrested four men and charged them with firearms offences.

The searches have uncovered five unsecured firearms at four properties and ammunition, as well as detonators and explosive fuses.

"A substantial amount of high-powered ammunition was located secreted in the metal frames of bed heads located at one of the premises," police said.

An Upper Sturt man, 46, a Mt Compass man, 49, an Oakden man, 38, and an Aberfoyle Park man, 48, will all face court on firearms offences.

The properties are owned by a religious sect known as Agape Ministries of God, members of which reportedly believe the world is coming to an end.

The sect and its Adelaide leader, "Pastor" Rocco Leo, have featured recently in a Today Tonight investigation.

For local updates on this story, visit AdelaideNow.

Link to this article: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/south-australian-police-raid-a...

Freeman Of Australia Forum Discussion Regarding Freedom & Remedy

This is what we posted to the Freeman Of Australia Forum and the discussion that unfolded. Firstly, please read the posting to do with Jerry & Joe Kane http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7322 before continuing.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
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http://freemenofaustralia.ning.com/forum/topics/jerry-joe-kane-father-so...

Friday 27th May 2010 at 8:54pm

Jerry & Joe Kane - Father & Son Killed In West Memphis
By Police For Protecting Their Property
Media Twists Abound

Jerry Kane and his beautiful son Joe (age 16) were shot to death during an alleged traffic stop by law enforcement on Thursday, May 20th, 2010. Jerry, Joe and their two dogs, while on their way back to their home in Florida have been made out to be everything from drug smugglers to Hispanics, which we all know is typical of the media spinners. The police said it was a traffic stop. But their van had more bullet holes in it than Bonnie and Clyde's.

http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7322

This is only the beginning. Since 2007 we have been warning everyone we can reach (those who are using their brains) that the free man/sovereignty/commercial redemption/honour-dishonour, etc, route in the long run will not work, that it will be revealed as a complete waste of life-force-energy unless we apply the ONLY remedy that will work.... "COMMUNITY IMMUNITY" (KINDOMS - DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES), but to create that means completely overcoming self-centeredness. We have written heaps about this since 2005.

We also received two phone calls today explaining that Jerry & Joe Kane were assassinated, that it was cold-blooded, that witnesses are frightened for their lives.

Adam Davis (TMA http://truthmovementaustralia.com.au ) also contacted us today asking us to take down the interviews he did with Thomas Anderson. He is concerned for his family and future! He is pulling out of the freeman/sovereignty movement.

We also received a phone call today from a stranger (who knew his stuff - possibly Federal police or other intel) warning us that our lives are now on the line, that plans are a-foot to kill us too. This is the second call we have received from this stranger, the 1st call was about the pending raid raid on Agape Ministry Of God. This call is on top of the 4 death threats we have already received since November 2009. We had one call traced back to the NSW Head Office of Police in Surry Hill, Sydney.

As we indicated quite a few times since 2005, the PTB are pushing their plans forward by 3 to 4 years.

Copy/Paste from a recent comment..........

"Once the rule of law sedatives and prescripted medications (claim of right/life) wear thin the PTB are left with one final solution to control the sheeple..... FORCE as in genocide. The scam has now come full-circle. The final solution is all they have left. After invading all the supposed new lands across the earth, genocide/eugenics was used to clear the way (hundreds/thousands of millions murdered) before they introduced their rule-of-law sedatives and other prescripted medications to keep dumb and stupid subjects as their slaves. Are the PTB really going to allow millions/billions of claim-of-rights to burst through the gates of all their enclosures? Do you really think they will gracefully stand aside?

A base Molotov cocktail of poisons, chemicals and toxins has been placed in the bodies of most of us and with the addition of electronic/magnetic/digital frequencies/pulses, earth-wide genocide is just around the corner with a flick of a switch. The PTB planned for this long ago. (Philadelphia experiment, Haarp, Reagan Star-War Laser Satellites, Chemtrails, Digital Towers, etc).

The earthly culling will be blamed on others..i.e, alien invasion, ufo attacks, nations, collateral damage, etc,. While culling back to roughly 500 million people, the PTB will be introducing, via their "Good Guys", their updated Anti-Life system, again loaded with sedatives and prescripted medications for their subjects. Don't forget the PTB still control all aspects of the present anti-life system. The "Good Guys" include many PTB planted heroes and a self-fulfilling prophecy saviour/messiah/prophet/pahana/bahana/meitreya/metraya, etc.

There is a remedy but it ain't found in the PTB anti-life system."

"We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us"
So Say The Hooded Ones Of Black-Magic
by Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
22nd May 2010
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7317

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We also received a text message today that a large flotilla of war ships with aircraft and troops are already heading or will be shortly heading to the Middle East. Message says to stock up food for at least one month because international (and inevitably domestic) transport is going to be effected.

The PTB needs to create a major issue now, one that will erupt into a series of chaotic waves leading to military law/curfews/police state/economic collapse, etc, etc, and use this heavy fog of chaos to go about their business, with little interruption and exposure, rounding up everyone they have listed. We warmed everyone back in 2007/2008 that the internet is a great intelligence gathering tool, a measuring stick, a thermometer for assessing how fast the PTB need to accelerate their plans and what plans or back-up plans they implement. Remember, this is a full-on waged war against all of us

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Received news via mobile phone about this pending Agape Ministry Of God media event around 4 months ago from an insider, possibly from within Federal Police. We are not sure where he was from but he knew his stuff, had a very good grip on this Agape Ministry Of God matter (photos and many links provided below) and had a finger on the pulse of the goings on behind the scenes of police, government and other agencies. He also read all the Ringing Cedars books a few times over, was fully aware about the dream of Kindom and could tell in his voice that this MAN was troubled by a conscience that was awakening real fast. It seems to be the only reason why he rang us. He had children and deeply loved nature.

We realised 4 months ago the Agape Ministry Of God was going to be a PTB white washing event (there are others in the pipeline too), to establish precedence causing changes in law and public perception about people coming together to co-create communities. This PTB media event is along similar lines to 9/11 and the resulting Patriot Act. We have written about such whitewashing/white-anting scenarios coming down the line orchestrated by the PTB since 2007. This Agape Ministry Of God media event tells us all very clearly that "community immunity" is the PTB greatest fear of all and is what we must co-create OUT IN THE OPEN for all to see as a gift of life. We briefly touched on the Ten Steps of Kindom originally back in 2007: The Ten Steps Of Kindom by Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life 23rd October 2008: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5788 We'll shortly revisit & upgrade this general discussion into a polished article.

There is not a week goes past where phone calls from plants are received acting as interested parties in the dream for Kindom and its so easy to suss them out within 30 seconds or so of answering their calls. We feel them, feel their intent. Some ring regularly while others only ring once. It's obvious they record the chats hoping to catch us out and use these recordings against us one day. The truth keeps being brought up in a variety of ways which stuffs up their recordings. It is also very important that we keep posting everything we say and do out in the open for all to see. The dream of Kindom we created taps into the energy of the PTB and all their lackeys. Everytime they do anything against the Cristian Family, others, including community immunity/Kindoms/Do No Harm Communities, etc, there energy feeds the Kindom dream 100 fold. No matter what they do their actions exposes them out in the open for all to see, evokes the conscience in many for the first time, both white collar lackeys and average Joe's & Mary's, supports the dream of Kindom, inspires co-creation of Kindom for the first time in the hearts of many and causes many of their white collar lackeys to begin the planning steps of fleeing the anti-life system they are caught up in. More on this shortly in another article.

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Reply by Peter Lalor on May 28, 2010 at 8:33am

Don't suppose Arthur ever considered reducing his consumption of pot ?? The world looks a bit different when not viewed through a haze of marijuana. Do you really think that if the PTB want to get you, being ensconsed in nirvana a mere couple of hours away from their enlaves will constitute a significant barrier ??

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Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian on May 28, 2010 at 9:26am

The slander indicates no presence of MAN. MAN feels with heart to use brain. A short-circuit between heart and brain causes distortion (illusions, delusions, fantasies) leading to slander, ridicule, abuse & character assassination. Being apart from the hearts and brains embodied amongst many brothers and sisters of MAN is the cancer that spreads. Thank you for offering this dis-ease but this offer has been declined. You are most welcome to contact the living upon your return. We will be at the gate of the living-world waiting to greet you with open arms.

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Reply by GAz on May 28, 2010 at 10:23am

Has there been made public yet, any indication that the first shooting involved th kanes?

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Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian on May 28, 2010 at 10:51am

Hi Gaz
No, If we receive any further news we will post the info in the Love For Life link provided. It's been more than 7 days since the shooting. It's obvious if the PTB had solid evidence to back up their position/agenda the recordings would have been released within hours or at worst with 1 day of the shooting and they would have flogged this evidence to death across the USA and elsewhere.

Also, don't forget to study this documentation (posted below) where we exhausted the administrative process and then used their system of statute law/contract law (the law understood & applied by the force of law) and have exhausted this lawful/legal process as well just to create a cure. Either way, the evidence clearly reveals the PTB will break their own laws, the very laws they force everyone else to abide by, to keep us in our place. They even kidnapped the body Fiona is creating with our youngest daughter, Xanthe, just turned 2 sitting in the back seat exposed to all the horror unfolding.

All the best
Arthur

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For Documentation Of Harm Done By The Powers-That-Be And Their Representatives,

Evidence Revealing How Victims Did Not Break The Peace, Caused No Crime or Harm, There Were No Injured Parties. Documenting Incontrovertible Evidence Demonstrating How The Powers That Be (PTB) And Their Lackeys Will Break All The Laws They Are Supposed To Uphold. They Will Kidnap, Intimidate, Terrorise, Rape, Pillage, Plunder And Lie And Take Responsibility For None Of It. All Part Of Their Tactics Of Using Fear And Trauma To Keep Us In Our Place. Relatives Of Those Under Their Radar Are Also Not Safe From Attack And Intimidation. All Starting From A $25 Fine For Not Voting And A $65 Fine For Not Changing A Dog Registration. We Do Not Have Freedom And Can Only Appear To Have Freedom If We Comply. Regardless How Small The Matter The PTB Throw Hundreds Of Thousands Of Dollars Away To Enforce Their Will.... Go Here:
Fiona Cristian Reply To State Debt Recovery Office - Part One to Part Nine - From 17th October 2008 And Still Continuing:
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6319 or
Fiona Cristian Reply To State Debt Recovery Office
Part One: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5742 - From 17th October 2008
Part Two: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6135 - From 18th December 2008
Part Three: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6295 - From 9th January 2009
Part Four: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6296 - From 14th January 2009
Part Five: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6375 - The Sick Puppy - From 20th February 2009
Part Six: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6390 - Police Officers, Sheriff’s Officers, Tow Truck Driver and State Debt Recovery Office Blatantly Ignore the Law To Rape, Pillage and Plunder The Private Property Of Fiona Cristian - From 11th March 2009
Part Seven: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6445 - Affidavit Of Truth - Letter To The Queen + Australia: Fascism is Corporatism - From 30th March 2009
Part Eight: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6652 - The Pirates Auction And The Ghost Of VSL386 - From 4th April 2009
Part Nine: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7073 - Arthur Cristian's Letter To Pru Goward MP - From 15th December 2009

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Reply by Janis Ferguson on May 28, 2010 at 11:10am

I RECKON IF YOU CHALLENGE EM THEY BITE....MAYBE THE BEST THING IS NOT TO AND JUST IGNORE THEM, DONT OPEN MAIL, OR TRY TO GET INTO COURT....WHERE THE CORRUPTION IS RIOT...... LOOK HOW FAR THE GOVERNMENT WENT WITH MARTIN BRYANT......... ANYTHING TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOAL AND A COUNTRY OF SHEEPLE WHO BELIEVE THE CRAP ON TV..... HOW MANY KNOW THAT THE LIKES OF PACKER MADE THEIR MONEY ON THE MISERY OF MANY WITH BRINGING HARD DRUGS INTO THE COUNTRY.....I GUESS PUTTING THE APPLIANCES INTO AMBULANCES WAS FIRSTLY FOR HIMSELF THEN AN EFFORT TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK GOOD.... AAAAHHHHHHH THE GOV ARE GOOD AT CONDONING THIS SORT OF BEHAVIOR BECAUSE THEY ALL PLAY A PART IN TREASON.....WHAT ELSE WOULD ONE EXPECT FROM PIRATES.....

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Reply by Peter Lalor on May 28, 2010 at 1:26pm

There is a VAST difference between exercising care not to arouse the ire of the PTB and taking the totally defeatist attitude demonstrated by Arthur Cristian. The clown clearly lives in la-la land, constantly bitching about the system whilst happily accepting whatever handouts he can glean, funded I might add by those of us who actually work for a living. Since we've never been informed about any productive endeavour on the part of Arthur we can only assume he's still happily accepting the largesse of Centrelink. I don't think its necessary to say much about the 'MP3 Studio' other than that the income generated would be highly unlikely to affect the Centrelink handouts. A reasonable person would assume someone claiming freeman status would take all possible steps to earn funds (whether fictional or otherwise) necessary to support ones wife & offspring. To my way of thinking, the dole & parenting allowance don't quite rate as 'productive'.

I notice that this mornings rant by Arthur describes most if not all the topics considered by most as part and parcel of freeman philosophy, however there doesn't appear to be any concerted move to remove references to these subjects from the loveforlife website. Surely someone who has a website full of supposedly relevant information and who has just had a change of heart as to the legitimacy of the stuff he promotes would be frantically removing any objectionable material in order to maintain honor, or is the situation that of Google hits being more important than honor ?? Note that it may well be that at least some & possibly all the sacred cows need to be put out to pasture, however claiming on one hand that its a load of crap whilst maintaining a website full of the so called crap doesn't exactly do a lot for the credibility of the site.

Its hard to imagine the Cristians ever being a target of the PTB let alone being warned of such by a federal oinker or whatever. There are infinitely jucier targets out there, folk like Mark McMurtrie who actually do stuff that makes a difference. Even Pytellec would be far higher on the hit list although in his case the PTB are probably the least of his problems.

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Reply by Janis Ferguson on May 28, 2010 at 2:06pm

well said pL .......

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Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian on May 28, 2010 at 2:57pm

Armed with slander upon slander upon slander is this present behaviour. Making so many claims without backing them up with evidence. Grabbing whatever meanings can be dredged up from the morass of your harm to place the harm over the living so that the truth of the living can be completely ignored/blocked out. The sun shines but some prefer to close the windows & blinds and draw the curtains and remain in their righteous darkness of SELF-CENTEREDNESS. Creating a mould that others must conform to or be written off if they don't comply. Is this not what the PTB do? Bickering and backstabbing is part of the divide and rule the PTB love so much.

Who do you represent?

You know almost nothing about us or our circumstances.

Is it possible to communicate without harm entwined? Is it possible to co-create with others without harm? How do we create a world of no harm while participating in harm.

We live for (our dream) a world without harm.

What about you?

What are you offering?

Where is the good will?

Also, unless you can prove otherwise, we have never lived with you, have never worked with you, have had no dealings with you, have never harmed you (ripped you off, back-stabbed you, used you, etc,, etc) or your family/loved ones, and yet as a stranger you come to us as if we have injured you!. If we have not harmed you why are you acting injured?

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Reply by Janis Ferguson on May 28, 2010 at 3:10pm

There is no slander in fact, and there is a lot of verbal diarrhoea , is it not written...ye know them by their works?

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Reply by Peter Lalor on May 28, 2010 at 3:50pm

EXACTLY, some folk are preceded by their reputation. Now what was it Comrade McMurtrie had to say on the subject ??

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Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian on May 28, 2010 at 3:53pm

Hi Janis
We are all renters of "The Crowns" intellectual property (their copyright - right-of-copy) that encompasses every aspect of their (PTB) civilisation of commerce (the fairytale). We are all severely compromised and as innocent children, we were not provided with idiot-friendly full disclosure, which clearly explained to each of us that by entering into their education system (includes having fairytales read to us repeatedly), we were going to create a fictitious character who will enter stage and be their slave for a lifetime performing as their fictitious character in their fairytale (the system). Without returning to nature how can we avoid dealing with the PTB while we continue performing for them??????? The PTB always have an interest (a claim) over their renters (serfs/commoners/goi/slaves/labourers/etc).

And then there is the reality of the extensive harm doing going on all around us all-the-time.

It appears there are well over 300,000 victims of sexual abuse, of all ages, just along the east coast of Australia including Melbourne & Geelong, and when you add on the other hundreds of thousands of victims at the hands of the PTB anti-life system... stolen children, broken families, fraud, loss of home, poisoned or murdered by chemicals. toxins, disease, and what about violence and robbery and brainwashing, and lets not forget the everyday stress from the constant pull of debts, mortgages, keeping a roof over ones head, food on the table and the dream of access to non toxic land, clean drinking water and fresh unpolluted air where the true freedom of life-sustainability can be experienced

The freedom to contemplate and rejoice in the beauty of life is freedom but most don't have such freedom, they are too distracted rejoicing the PTB anti-life system,

There are too many of our brothers and sisters of life out there suffering for us to turn our backs. Until we all actually start thinking about how we can serve (live for) others and be that walk-the-talk gift of life for the benefit of others every day, the PTB anti-life system, without resistance (no "community immunity"), will continue to expand until there is nothing of life remaining for any of us to have a life.

Life (nature) is a team effort as is truth, freedom, peace, prosperity and health.

While we remain in the system we are slaving-team-players for the PTB system. Who benefits? Hardly anyone anymore.

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Reply by Peter Lalor on May 28, 2010 at 4:31pm

Some of us could do without the type of 'team effort' which requires us to squander hard earned dollars (fictional or otherwise) to support bone lazy layabouts unwilling or incapable of supporting themselves or their dependants. Spreading unadulterated crap doesn't rate in my book as a worthwhile pursuit. I note that the prime recipients of the 'overcoming self-centeredness' philosophy are folk who claim to espouse freeman values but who are perfectly happy to sponge off their less work-phobic brethren.

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Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian on May 28, 2010 at 4:46pm

Hello Peter & Janis,
We take full responsibility for everything we say and do. We don't pass the buck to another or play with words in clever ways so they can be used as a shield to hide from others particularly after throwing lots of claims (spears) at them, especially claims that can't be backed up. If claims can't be backed up then an apology is in order otherwise it will be seem that you are troublemakers determined to create a controversy where there isn't one.

What has Mark McMurtrie got to do with the words you have both typed into this cyberspace discussion??? Are you both impersonating Mark McMurtrie?? or are you both authorised representatives of Mark McMurtries life-force & brain?? or are you implying that there is an us and them determination, a gang of us with Mark McMurtrie?? Can you please clarify exactly what are you implying by bringing in a 3rd party into this discussion who is not involved, not here

The last time we spoke with Mark McMurtrie was less than two weeks ago, it was left with Mark coming to visit us shortly so we can meet for the first time, to get to know each other and to discuss each others body of work.

Are you suggesting/implying that you have had discussions with Mark McMurtrie since we last spoke to him????

We have already explained in great detail why there is no long-term remedy/cure to be found in the freeman/honour-dishonour/commercial redemption/sovereignty movement and we are happy to debate this. But perhaps you should look at our work first so you really comprehend where we are coming from rather than making assumptions based on hearsay.

In this discussion we stand by everything we say word for word, we do so because we are accountable and can be counted on.

What about you????

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Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian on May 28, 2010 at 5:25pm

Hello Peter
Again you are making so many claims without any evidence to back these claims.

All men are equal are they not?

Are you implying by judgment that you are placed on to a higher standing than another MAN ??? or are you not a man but GOD (or a god) of a higher authority? If so, can you please bring forward proof of your claim

The PTB promote: All men are equal but some are more equal than others!!!

Who do you represent Peter?
Who is your master?

Also, do you have an "all seeing eye" to know all about us??

Are you practising black magic or sorcery or some kind of invisible esoteric or occultic witchcraft transportation to be all knowing.???

Where does all this knowledge you claim about us come from?????

Don't tell us its all made up or hearsay!!!!

Please bring forward the 1st party to back your claim that you are supporting us?

Please bring forward the substance of life that gives us life which you claim we sponge off. Note: It has to be something real, meaning it must have consciousness/life embodied in its form, and remember what is invisible offers nothing for the living.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

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Reply by Janis Ferguson on May 28, 2010 at 6:49pm

I HAVE NEVER MENTIONED MARK MCMURTRIE TO YOU , SIMPLY BECAUSE I DO NOT BELIEVE IN CASTING PEARLS AMONG SWINE....

SOME TIME AGO I BLOCKED YOUR COMMENTS AND CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS NOT HAPPENING

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Reply by Debra: Bentley. on May 28, 2010 at 7:07pm

Spot on Peter - I DO know this man - he receives NO benefits from Centrelink, so has NO income to support himself or his family - his wife Fiona receives Centrelink to support herself & the children & has to support Arthur as well.

His wants everyone else to chip in for his 'Dream' (keep dreamin) of a Kindom (kingdom) where he can live without having to work for it - That is a Moocher to me - one only needs to read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand to see where his moral code is.... Who is John Galt? so apt in this situation - & yes he puts his mouth (or his fingers on the keyboard) into gear without first engaging his brain (what there is of it) & claims he believes in 'DO NO HARM' yet I have heard it from others & been on the receiving end of it myself - hypocrite - LMFAO

A MAN needs to earn his own living & be productive if he wants to live - not bludge on others for handouts or depend on his wife to support him & take what is supposed to be to feed his children for himself.... Great intellect / principles / morals here I see.....

The only thing that appears to matter is how many HITS he gets on his website that counts as being 'somebody of importance' to feed his desperate ego... he sits at home all day at his computer - really should get out more & get a life... Any fool can talk on the phone to people or email them - big deal - talk is cheap, actions speak louder... Losing a Drivers Licence & challenging them over a car isn't a big deal in the big scheme of things..... Arthur still has his licence, but Fiona has lost hers ..... he says he NEEDS his to drive the children.... Freemen do NOT need a licence - I no longer have one or rego...

The information he posts is stuff mostly gleaned from others on the www & sent to him to make him appear as though he is 'connected' & somehow in the clique of those that do know..... plagarism to the extreme.... where is the mind? Who is John Galt? LOL

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Reply by Adam Michael Birkbeck on May 28, 2010 at 11:56pm

George Tran (who was raised in Australia but went to the USA in 1993), who was on Angela's talkshoe on the 20th, and who used info from her and Jerry, amongst others, to clear the debt on 4 properties (as he was notified on 24 May 2010), and put up an e-book about the process (his bank was an subsidiary) of Bank of America on his website www.freeandclearin90.com put a distressing message on his site today.

2 burly men appeared and banged on his door on the 26th - he did not answer. They came back and tried the front and back doors on the 27th and again he did not answer for the 15 minutes they were there. He now says he fears for his life, too and is 'freaking out' (to quote him). This happened after his 'victory' and after the announced on his site he was initiating a document preparation service to assist other people.

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Reply by Shakti on May 29, 2010 at 8:00am

Quite frankly, Peter, I find your attitude becoming rather monotonous, tedious and extremely unhelpful. You are being manipulative, you certainly do not offer any useful information, and you are beginning to sound like a fascist. Quite relevant to this thread, do you propose that we just shoot all these, supposed layabouts, who you claim to contribute nothing. Well I have to say that unless you have a degree in science, engineering, technical or have a trade, you do not have the potential to contribute anything either. The reality today is that most people contribute contribute nothing to the wellbeing of the whole, that is why we are in the mess that we are in. It is estimated that just 5 percent of the work then being done would satisfy our minimal needs for food, clothing, and shelter. Directly or indirectly, most work serves the unproductive purposes of commerce or social control (which is what you are advocating). 80% of people are salesmen, soldiers, managers, cops, stockbrokers, clergymen, bankers, lawyers, teachers, landlords, security guards, ad-men, and are all non productive. So very little effort is required to maintain our supposed lifestyle in this moment, despite its gross inefficiency.

So wake up to yourself and do something about your bad attitude before someone shoots you. You, like everyone else, has something very important to contribute to the good of everybody. If you think about it clearly, unless everybody's wellbeing is being adequately taken care of, everybody's security is compromised. So it is in your interest to care about others. You don't have to do everything, but if what is being done, is being done efficiently, then there is not much burden. The challenge is to get everybody to do their bit, and fascism does not work.

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Reply by Janis Ferguson on May 29, 2010 at 10:37am

Would you class that as a bad attitude? Well, I would totally disagree with your comments re PL ..... and obviously have no idea what you are raving about..... Not everyone has the ego some have on this site or any of the others for that matter, therefore have no need to exaggerate what in reality is no more than information taken from the efforts of others for their own self glorification, shadowed in the name of ....'team effort', nor do they need to brag about their efforts or input to others to feel acceptable ...... not many are able to take truth, or any form of constructive criticism, most often they cannot take it and pump up their ego by professing they know or have a good rapport with people when in actuality they do not. These types are more often a hindrance than a help. Some admire straight shooters, most just cant take unadulterated truth.....and that is more in line with why the world is the way it is today.

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Reply by Peter Lalor on May 29, 2010 at 10:44am

The very last thing we need is more false prophets, particularly those who promote concepts they don't comprehend & aren't prepared to put in the effort required to gain a proper understanding. Far too many self professed 'freemen' are only interested in issues that involve less than five minutes study & which promise a quick buck regardless of what underhanded activities are involved. Before you get up on your hind legs, consider the real motive of most if not all A4V attempts. Despite common belief that even a minor error in a contract immediately negates the contract, there is no truthb whatever in the idea. At most an error / lack of full disclosure / etc is grounds for a claim of unconsionable conduct with appropriate compensation, however the contract is still in force. Attempts to acquire assets without paying are nothing but fraud & false pretences. The only thing that can be said in favour of loveforlife is that unlike certain obvious profiteers there is no blatant attempt to extract money directly from followers. Arthur loves filling his totally fucked up site with all manner of material, including stuff he claims is unworkable, all in the hope it might get a few more google hits. Needless to say the honorable approach would be to host only material he believes is legitimate. His expectation that the world owes him a living is completely untenable and contrary to true freeman / sovereignity principles. Your contention that salespersons etc are non-productive is also nonsensical, if that were the case their employer would have no need of their services.

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Reply by Peter Lalor on May 29, 2010 at 11:27am

You gotta be joking !!!!! I most certainly do NOT accept any responsibility to support layabout fuckwits who sponge off those of us who put in an honest days work or who contribute significantly to the freeman movement. Running a tenth rate website focussed only on google hits is hardly 'productive' in any language. Clowns who spend their days stuffing around with inconsequential bullshit whilst expecting others to feed and house them are nothing less than parasites & as such they have no part in the freeman movement and definitely no right to claim sovereign status. What sort of freeman / sovereign requires his spouse to claim the dole to support not only her and their kids but his worthless hulk as well ??

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Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian 1 day ago

There are many slaves fighting to wear their manacles and
protesting vigorously whenever someone tries to loosen them.
Arthur Cristian

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Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian 1 day ago

As for Jerry & Joe Kane, here are a few more comments....

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That Jerry thing was pretty obvious... I mean look at the photos... where is the number plate they claim they used to identify them as the same two "men" that killed two police officers 45 minutes earlier with an AK47..??

And why is the car riddled with bullet holes, and the boy handcuffed face down on the ground when he was supposed to have been shot.

Why were they in a WalMart car park after supposedly shooting police officers 45 minutes earlier and not in hiding somewhere?

Why in the video does it look like their car was run over by a tank?

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I would not be surprised the two dead cops were killed by the powers that be (PTB). The two cops might have seen too much and the PTB had to get rid of them. The PTB have special task forces for such occasions to prevent cops having to kill their "mates", which they would baulk at. The PTB have been known to do this over the ages, often killing shiploads of men who might return to their homelands and spread the word about the massacres of men and women on the land that they had been forced to take part in. "Things Are Not What They Seem".

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We know of other murders here on Gondwana Land, we have the stories, but we have promised not to publish them until we are given the go ahead. It's going to get worse from here on end.

Then there is Edward Jay Robin Belanger (Minister Belanger), in Canada, he and friend are in the lockup since 8th/9th March 2010. He operated as a minister for his faith (his church). Since 2005 we have constantly communicated/debated points of view. We warned him that the PTB will do anything to protect their higher standing and that his religion, faith, paper work, words, etc, will not protect him. He thought we were arrogant etc.

Many freedom-truthers wellbeing (their lives) and their families are on the line now.

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From here: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/09/05/13/new-world-order-conversa... - 13th June 2009

Back in the early/mid 1980's a new media company started up in Sydney (in Alexandria/Waterloo/Rosebery ---- within 4 miles/6ks of the Sydney CBD), with plans to be another media force (Newspapers, magazines, tv, radio etc) challenging the Murdoch Press and the Packer Press who controlled almost all of Australia's media one way or another (and both are controlled by the Rothschilds - this is a fact). This new competitor set up in a massive industrial estate with many hundreds of staff, backed by vast amounts of fictional $$$$$. Within days of commencing operation the huge industrial estate building was raided by a very large gang of thugs one early evening mid-week and many of the new staff working there were ALL brutally and severely bashed, some with broken bones, etc, etc. The building was ransacked and then completely burnt to the ground. All the workers were tied, gagged and warned to keep their mouths shut or they and their families etc would ALL be killed etc etc. The only news to come out to this day was the building on fire. Nothing else was ever mentioned anywhere, no police involved, no politicians, no enquiries, just absolutely nothing. And yet many police, politicians, journalists etc knew what really happened and said/did nothing. A close friend who was involved deeply in politics and was also a media man and a known film director with all the right connections told me everything about this event. He said nothing as well and so the public were kept in the dark. This is just one example of many, in fact of many many thousands when you also consider Waco, Jones Town massacre. 9/11, Bali Bombings, Ruby Ridge massacre etc etc.

Today, we have many many thousands of Australians in Jail who sought freedom. All innocent, all having done no harm to man, earth or nature. In the eyes of the establishment all they did wrong was to stand up to the establishment system determined to have their true freedom. More than 100 hundred alternative communities around Australia have been raided and destroyed since the 1960's. Some were set up as cults, sects etc, others were set up with drugs and yet others were set up with kidnapping children or supposedly harbouring criminals etc etc. Yet again many others were infiltrated and destroyed from within. They even destroyed the spirit of Byron Bay. Now its known as not a safe place. In Australia alone we already have a 10,000 strong law enforcement operative in place to deal with break away communities etc. They have tasers, laser weapons, a range of chemical sprays amongst a vast array of other evil equipment for both attack and defence.

And then there is the Soviet holocaust of 60 million killed within the space of 15 years...(less than 80 years ago).... the Chinese Holocaust that killed 60 million Chinese less than 50 years ago...... can you truly comprehend the extent of murder carried out by the establishment behind the Soviets and the Chinese, the same bloodline establishment in control today, the same establishment behind all the major wars which caused billions and billions of innocent men, women and children to die over the last 300 years. The same establishment behind the Jewish holocaust of 250,000 (not 6 million - all bullshit), the same establishment behind the Cambodian holocaust, the Romanian Holocaust, the Nigerian Holocaust, The Rhodesian Holocaust, The Palestinian Holocaust, The American North/Central/South American Indian holocausts which killed over 1 billion men, women and children over the past 500 years, the Aboriginal Holocaust on Gondwanaland which killed over 40 million less than 300 years ago, The American Civil War Holocaust, etc.

The same establishment bloodlines behind HAARP, Chemtrails, Regan Star Wars Laser Satellites, ELF, Vaccinations, Mercury, MSG, Aspartame, Fluoride, Fast Food, Obesity, Food Additives, genetics, altering seeds, nutritional deficiencies, 100,000+ poisons/chemicals circulating and absorbing the planet and man, recycled sewage, poo and wees as drinking water, etc etc etc etc all preparing the way for the soon-to-be-global holocaust of men, women and children in the billions if we don't stop it. This is a Molotov cocktail triggered by highly explosive and brilliant intellects who are without consciousness embodied, leading the way towards a soon-to-be mass genocide, who together act like a racehorse who has already turned the final corner and is bolting down the finishing line as fast as possible.

ARE YOU PREPARED???

Do you know how to handle these psychopaths???

Do you have the remedy that will truly stop all these psychopaths???

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Please tell us how paperwork, administrative processes, etc, create a consciousness that brings peace for ALL of us, INCLUDING those of the establishment? How will these processes invoke a sense of love and conscience in the members of the PTB so that they too will want to create a world of peace for ALL? How effective is a piece of paper against a gun?

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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Reply by Shakti 1 day ago

Peter and Janis, if you live in a house (bigger than a Sydney bedsitter) and drive a (fossil fuel) car, then you are already beyond your footprint, and thus not qualified to make any comment about others. The collapse is only a couple of years away.

By the way if you use a television, refrigerator, washing machine, computer, live in a house, drive a car, can walk down to the shop and buy food, etc. etc, then you get all of these absolutely free. Apart from the fact that you are embezzled debt notes to do it, at least half the population of the earth do not have access to these things even if they had the money to pay for it.

Peter, If you are concerned with others do then how about discovering utility, instead of slavery, which seems to be where you are at the moment. Why else would you be such a grump?

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Reply by Shakti 1 day ago

As for understanding, Peter, put up or shut up. I am open to discussion but not argument. If you claim to have understanding then you must have some answers, otherwise what good is it. This is very typically Australian, whinge and do nothing. I am actually very curious to know what you are actually doing for the freeman movement, apart from discrediting it. What is it exactly that you are working hard at that you are so protective of your "taxes"?

By the way, about the A4V, the banks in America are now getting audited, because they are steeling the A4V's, monetising them, and leaving the debtor in dishonour, when it could have been resolved. This doubles the debt. Who is the scumbag?

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Reply by Derek 1 day ago

Accept the things to which fate binds you, and love the people with whom fate brings you together, but do so with all your heart.

Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also. "

The only wealth which you will keep forever is the wealth you have given away.

Marcus Aurelius

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Reply by Peter Lalor 1 day ago

Go teach your grandmother to suck eggs, I happen to have one of the smallest carbon footprints of any flesh & blood entity in southern Queensland & it will be reduced even more within the next six months. Furthermore I couldn't give a rats whether or not any collapse occurs as I arranged my affairs years ago to minimize any effect on me. Janis is likewise in a far better position than most to weather any collapse, to the point where even the sky falling in wouldn't cause her any significant angst. As for contributions to the freeman movement, some of us are making far more real progress behind the scenes than will ever be published openly. There are very good reasons which I will not elaborate on at this point why certain intelligence is being kept under lock & key, the only point I'm willing to share is that violence is NOT on the agenda.

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Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian 1 day ago

There will never be found a remedy in the fiction. In fact it is impossible to find a remedy in fiction to cure all the woes of the living. Only what is living can cure the ailments of the living. The perfection of LIFE (creation) is in the purity and sincerity of every thought and feeling we think, feel and act on. Fiction is the distortion to this perfection. Every emotion, thought and action of fiction represents HARM (distortion/destruction) of LIFE, to LIFE. We (MAN) are LIFE. We are creating the LIFE of the MAN/WOMAN we are creating in the image of the thoughts and feelings we act on (put our energy/power of creation into) here and now.

The greatest gift given to MAN is the power of thought and the power to feel.

To destroy (harm) LIFE we (LIFE) MUST already be destroyed (harmed). It is impossible for a conscious MAN to do harm because he/she thinks and feels (creates) ONLY a LIFE of purity and sincerity (no harm).

Harm comes out of harm (distortion/destruction) while love comes out of love, just as peace comes out of peace and freedom comes out of freedom, just us honesty comes out of honesty and respect comes out of respect, just as being dead comes out of already being dead, just as he/she must first be unconscious to act unconsciously, just as the destroyed are destroying and the harmed are doing harm.

The world (LIFE) is in the image of the thoughts and feelings we act on here and now.

If we don't take full responsibility for the harm we are creating LIFE (your life, our life) is doomed.

WE ARE LIFE or WE ARE DEAD

It's a choice.

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Reply by Shakti 1 day ago

[Peter Lalor said: There are very good reasons which I will not elaborate on at this point why certain intelligence is being kept under lock & key, the only point I'm willing to share is that violence is NOT on the agenda.]

Unless you include everyone else in your little utopia, you will definitely have to carry a gun and build walls, so much for your "no violence strategy", they will all be banging the door down wanting to come in.

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Reply by Shakti 1 day ago

Arthur, my life is Playing Music.

A virtuoso knows how to love, and in that moment life is being celebrated.

They have stolen my sound and turned it into noise, I am reclaiming it.

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Reply by Peter Lalor 1 day ago

This thread is unlikely to go anywhere, so I'm bailing out of any future discussion. I'm not in the habit of attempting to communicate with those who are obviously spaced out on who knows what.

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Reply by Adam Michael Birkbeck 23 hours ago

I totally fail to see how people who claim to be freemen can be so manipulative (as Shakti said) and just plain insulting. Not to mention those who never actually share information but are willing enough to take it...or revile the people from whom they have wanted things.

But to falsely claim that they and another are in a better position to survive any sort of collapse beggars belief, when they are NOT in such a position and the other person they mention lives off Centrelink benefits and public housing.

Where is there any honour in this? My post was put up because I wanted to make people aware that there are decent people out there who are in trouble...and publicly making it known that George Tran thinks his life is in danger for beating the banks. This one about what happened to Jerry Kane and his son (who was found shot dead face down and handcuffed, but is supposed to have been on the attack?) is about a man who stood up for his and other people's rights and HELPED them. Unlike certain people here! Instead these posts have been used by some, as usual, to carp, whinge and run down people just to big-note themselves. And then run off because they cannot debate, just argue - badly. Shakti and Derek and Arthur & Fiona are right in what they've said, as far as I am concerned.

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Sent May 28th 2010

Dear Arthur and Fiona,

I just wanted to say, don't pay too much attention to those three who were giving you such grief on here today - Janis 'Peter' and Debra just love trying to tear down anyone who disagrees with them.

I've watched them refer to Mark McMurtrie as 'Comrade Mark' and Peter certainly acts as if he knows Mark, Max Igun and Thomas Anderson, but to my knowledge he doesn't: he and Janis met Mark once, and that was in a group meeting which they were an hour late for (they didn't factor in daylight savings) and he only got info from Mark when he promised to make an official website for him, which is the last I heard of one!

Peter backed out of a meeting with Max... and I went with Janis for company. That is the one time she met Max. None know Thomas Anderson except through his books and he would never answer emails. Janis is in contact with mark via facebook, but then so am I, and I do not profess to know him.

Janis put Peter onto me, Peter put Debra onto me (I was a paralegal and they wanted some docs redrafted), but I found them all rude, angry and judgemental. Especially when I wouldn't assist them.

I find it unfair that they turn on you for a difference of opinion considering how much material they have taken from your site. I think it unfair to accuse you of taking advantage of Centrelink benefits, when Janis is on benefits (a widow's pension despite NOT being a widow) and in public housing.

I think it is great that you will see Mark; the only reason I could see that he was brought into the thread was to big-note themselves. Please ignore the nastiness of what they say...they truly are not worth worrying about.

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Hello ................

Thanks for sharing some insights into your life experience and views of life with us. It's gratefully appreciated. We don't buy into other peoples non-productive anti-life "stuff". We don't feel grief. If anything we can sometimes feel sad for what has become of our brothers and sisters of life. We are focused on waking up whoever we can reach without invalidating them.

Since 2005, we have had many many hundreds of such dealings with promoters of anti-life, all of these discussions/comments are posted in the Love For Life website, warts and all. You will find in many of these anti Arthur & Fiona Cristian comments/discussions, hatred, abuse, ridicule, nastiness, arrogance, ignorance, character assassination, etc, etc. Some are really bad but we leave them all up (hundreds of these type of comments). Everyone is entitled to share their points of view. It's not our place to deny them their freedom to express who they are. Have a read of this article:

The Battle For Our Brains
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
4th April 2010
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7288

This article reveals how most think they are free but in truth are control freaks unwilling to accept others as they are... It's interesting to experience this on an almost daily/weekly basis. During those times when we are going through difficulties the truth will always bring us closer together while lies push us further and further apart. The common denominator is the information we think, feel and act on (put our energy/power of creation into). We are creating LIFE (our lives) in the images of our making/choosing. When we contemplate on the men and women who are anti-life (we are part of life) we can zoom in to the distorted information they are creating their lives out of.

We are not into looking good or holding up a false image. We are true promoters of freedom of speech and we support everyones point of view regardless if we agree with them or not. We only sensor very foul nasty language or edit comments with links to adds. And we encourage debate, to scrutinise and contemplate all information, particularly our work We tell everyone not to believe anything we say, to use your brain and go where the logic of truth takes you. We do everything within our means/powers to inspire others to use their brains. Unfortunately most are lazy these days, they prefer to reflect what others have told them to think and feel. One of our sayings....

Whoever controls how others think & feel & causes them to act on these feelings & thoughts is given all the power by those whose thoughts & feelings are controlled. Slaves willingly create a world in their masters image.

We know Thomas Anderson (who he really is). Over the past few years we have had many lengthy discussions with him (including phone calls) on many subjects. He sent an email last night which still needs our response. Between 2006 and 2007 Mark McMurtrie has had quite a few email discussions with us. None were pleasant from his end.

We posted this article http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7315 recently which caused Mark McMurtrie to contact us by mobile phone. Like so many others lost in the morass of "emotional stuff" he assumed too many things about us that were not true. Lets see if he will visit us shortly. He was supposed to already have been and gone by now.

Debra Bentley, forgets the many many many hours of discussion she had with us since 2008 including the 1/2 day visit same year. She told us so many times how grateful she was for the work we do for free without a fee (no conditions attached/no contracts etc) and the many many hours she has spent in the Love For Life website learning and learning so much new information on so many different subjects. Even up until a two weeks ago she regularly sent us links or documents/articles to post in the Love For Life website.

Here is our correspondence with Debra Bentley ...............................................................................................

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Deb May 12 at 10:59am

Request From Mark McMurtrie
He wishes that you would remove him from your website - could you do that please?
I don't know his reasons - but he put it on his Facebook status.

Regards Deb

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Debra Bentley posted something on your Facebook Wall and wrote:

"I sent you a PRIVATE MESSAGE Arthur - just a request to remove someone's stuff from your website & you chose to publicly display that (http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7315) & cause me embarrassment for that with your extremely long rant - once again, this is the second time you & I have had a disagreement over your actions, you have offended me & betrayed my trust - sorry Arthur, Fiona & family - but I will now remove you from my FB friends - goodbye."

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Thursday May 13th 2010 at 4:59 PM

Hi Debra

Firstly, finally since 2007 Mark McMurtrie (MM) rang this morning and we had a long chat and together we cleared the air of many issues. He apologised for all his misunderstandings about us and for all his dishonours towards us. We have tried many many times to get him to have a chat with us (with no back-door). For almost three years we have embedded MM Youtube & Google videos in the Love For Life website. From the beginning we wrote to him and informed him of these actions and not once has he complained/objected. All this time MM has been flooded with men & women contacting him via the MM videos embedded in the Love For Life website and via us forwarding on these messages to his private email address. Again, not once did MM complain about this. All this time we were under the impression that these videos were posted by him or by close supporters representing MM and his best interests. He now says that he has been trying (not sure for how long) to get these videos taken down from Youtube and Google. We have now agreed to remove them from the Love For Life website which will be done shortly.

We apologised to Mark for embedding these videos.

He is planning on visiting us in the near future.

As we can't see what is posted on MM Facebook wall we had no idea that you had directly posted a comment on his wall that you would contact us. When we posted your comment to us we removed the Facebook links to you and your full name. We just left Deb in thinking that no one would know who Deb was.

We now apologise for this Debra. There was never any intention to do you harm or to make public who you were.

If we are on the right path whenever issues arise they bring us closer together rather than letting them push us apart.
If we can't be there for each other when things/issues come up then we will never be able to heal LIFE together.

Again, we are sorry for this unintentional dishonour.

Love Arthur & Fiona Cristian

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In response to your letter

15th May 2010 10:31 PM

Dear Debra,

Please take this email as it is intended; it is our pure and sincere intention to explain to you where we are coming from and why others feel effected by what we say and do. Remember - open eyes equals an open, loving heart that feels the true intent of the writer. Our intentions towards you are nothing but love. Please re-read our original postings to see if you can see where we are coming from. We feel that there are a lot of good insights in what we have written below so we will be posting this (our reply only) to the website and face book but we will ensure that there are absolutely no references to you. We will also reply to Eilish, responding to her comments but re wording it so that she can comprehend the message.

We don't question your work, the huge sacrifices you have made and continue to make to help those who are suffering as a result of those behind the system we all struggle under. We don't question the dedication of Mark, which is why we have supported the work he does despite his chronic backstabbing verbal abuse of us (since 2007 we have received many hundreds of phone calls etc from those terribly upset with Mark, even from his own family, particularly his brother, but we don't back-stab Mark and we tell them all to confront Mark and sort it out directly with him - we know he has been chronically back-stabbing us by the numerous people, all independent/unrelated of/to each other, who have told us about this, and we have never met any of them ---- originally by emails since 2007 and now again over the phone yesterday, we shared this feedback news with Mark).

We support all those who are trying to make a difference despite the fact that we have differing views to nearly all of them. How, then, can you say that we attack everyone who does not agree with us? Arthur has spent hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of unpaid hours posting the work of all those who are trying to make a difference, even if we do not agree with their approach. This is why the Love For Life website has probably the widest range of information of any uncompromised freedom/truth website on the net. Do you know that traffic is heading towards 12 million strikes this month. Do you know how many THOUSANDS have written to us thanking us, often sobbing and in rejoice, for all the work we do, that has helped them. THE EVIDENCE IS INCONTROVERTIBLE, WE HAVE REACHED MANY MILLIONS OF MEN AND WOMEN WHO KNEW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON UNTIL THEY CAME ACROSS THE LOVE FOR LIFE WEBSITE. Do you know that over 95% of those who have learnt about Mark's work came originally through the Love For Life website??? This goes for almost all others including Thomas Anderson, Claude Memma and Mark Pytellek, etc, etc, and we charge nothing for this work and seek no glory for this work or pats on the back.

In fact, we are the only ones out there with a website who offer that support to ALL those trying to make a difference - nearly everyone else seems too caught up in their negative-destructive emotions, biased beliefs, faiths and viewpoints to comprehend that, unless we ignore our differences and work together, we will never overcome the rules of the divide that keep us apart. The whole freedom truth movement is rife with bitching, gossiping, fighting and VICTIMISATION (POOR ME, SOB, SOB, SOB, BLAME, BLAME, BLAME, PASS-THE-BUCK, PASS-THE-BUCK). How are we ever going to create a world of peace out of that?

We talk to anyone who wishes to talk to us and, like you, spend many many hours every week unpaid talking and corresponding to those suffering under the system, in the many different ways (disease, health, fraud, debts, paedophilia, sexual abuse, intimidation, being followed, corrupt courts/lawyers etc, media slander, electronic surveillance & electro-magnetic attacks, etc, etc,), helping them as best we can with no conditions attached. For every one victim we have sent you add another three to five hundred for all the others we are helping elsewhere. We also confront anything we see as being untrue but we DO NOT attack the messengers of what we see as being untrue unless we have the incontrovertible evidence that they are an establishment plant. You should know this because we have spent a lot of time talking to you about our views on the freeman, sovereignty, etc, movement which you are now involved in but I do not attack the living-woman you are and I support you where I can.

We all need to be prepared to examine everything we think to be true (when it comes to our Love For Life work you call it a rant which says you dismiss this work, write it off, which means you don't want to connect with what we are learning and sharing etc, so you often miss out on the truths we share and this is apparent by the way you react as reflected in your words and actions - you pull further away from us rather than bonding with us), prepared to debate and learn from each other. We wrote what we wrote not as an attack on you or Mark but to show how we will never get anywhere unless we are prepared to give up our pride and fixations with belief systems and just do what needs to be done. Sometimes the pot needs stirring and good has certainly come out of the pot being stirred this time; Mark finally rang us, we talked and he now plans to visit us when he is in Sydney soon. Great - we can be allies for each other despite differing ideas and we can support each other. No more back-stabbing.

The truth is, we have not back-stabbed anyone, have done no harm to anyone and we are not the creators (the originators) of all this negative-destructive emotion which includes whatever emotions have come up for you Debra. All we have done is bring out into the open what was already being created and being spread by those party to this negative-destructive emotion.

As we explained - we cannot see Mark's Facebook wall so we did not know that you had publicly offered to contact us. We do not see how this has damaged you - you were only the messenger. Perhaps Mark will learn that he could have just contacted us himself in the first place and explained his reasons for wanting his videos removed, thus avoiding the whole kerfuffle.

None of us have anything to hide or be embarrassed about when we are working with purity and sincerity for the good of LIFE. All this Freeman stuff about "public" and "private" plays right into the hands of the Establishment. The more we are open, the more details that are out there about the outrages being perpetrated against our brothers and sisters of LIFE, the more people will no longer be able to ignore what is going on and will be pricked by their consciences into taking some responsibility for what is going on and becoming a team player for LIFE. The more we fuss about keeping things "private", the more we are diving into "SELF-CENTEREDNESS" (POOR ME, VICTIM-MENTALITY = POWERLESSNESS AND DESTRUCTION OF WHAT GOOD WAS BEING CREATED), the less people know and the more isolated people feel when they are under attack. Unless we join together as brothers and sisters of LIFE, the Establishment will keep laughing as we bicker amongst our SELVES (which are fictions). A victim mentality is only with the one who sees themselves as a victim, someone who does not take full responsibility for the emotions they create, vent at others and blame them for the emotions they have created within their own brains.

We know and can prove that the whole freeman/sovereignty movement (including the Originie man sovereignty) is rubbish and will never bring freedom and abundance for all. However, no one in the freeman movement seems willing to debate with us about this, even though debating (without back doors) is critical to us using our brains and learning from each other. Very few are really prepared to go where the truth takes them, letting go of whatever belief systems that are keeping them from the truth. People are so fixed on their belief systems that they create a version of reality out of that belief system and place it over all information they come across, thus shielding their lives from the often uncomfortable and painful truth. This shows just how weak most men and women are and all the backstabbing, anger, arrogance, etc, that people express comes out of this unwillingness to go wherever the truth leads. The truth doesn't pull people apart, it strengthens the bonds between men and women. Only lies keep us apart and unable or unwilling to co-create a marvellous world together.

The truth does not make us angry. People do not make us angry. We become angry because of the stories we attach to what we are reading, talking about, doing, etc. If you pick an apple from a tree, does it make you angry? Does the sun make you angry? How can a man or woman talking to a group of people "make" someone angry when, for the one man or woman feeling angry, there is another feeling happy, sad, joyful, etc?

What is there to be embarrassed about?? Who are we embarrassed too? If the great Man existed long ago, do you think he was embarrassed about his body being nailed on a cross, being lashed over and over again, being spat at, having rocks thrown at him, being scorned, ridiculed, abused, tortured and tormented? Being embarrassed is a reflection of how much we worry about what others think of us and how much we pass on the responsibility for others to create our lives for us. If we take full responsibility for the man or woman we are creating with good intention, we don't have to worry about what others think of us. There will always be those brothers and sisters who feel our hearts no matter if we are short, tall, fat, thin, rich, poor, etc.

The real fight for our freedom is not between us and the system; it is about all of us growing up, taking responsibility for our thoughts, feelings and actions and learning how to be together. This is what we are concentrating on and, yes, we cause upset but the upset is not ours and we do not set out with the intention to cause upset, only with the intention to leave no stone unturned in our efforts to bring freedom, joy and abundance for ALL.

All the me, me, me, I, I, I, my home, my beliefs, my philosophies, me sovereignty, my freeman status, my money, etc, is what is keeping us apart because it is all based on negative, destructive emotions which is why people get upset when we broach these topics! If people cannot stop clinging to their beliefs, we will all drown in the mire of fear, trauma, blame, passing-the-buck and taking no responsibility, so encouraged and loved by the PTB. This is the energy of the system (IS the system) and the energy behind Wicca, Galactic Federation, religion, etc, whatever belief we cling to. These beliefs are all attempts to compensate for what we feel to be going wrong but they never work because they are still based on self-centredness and fear over what will happen to us. While we cling to beliefs, we are not free; we are still serving the masters of the system.

The truth is that nearly all of us spend nearly all our waking time serving the system and, if we don't wake up, we will just find our lives under the same masters of just another version of the same system, still apart from each other and unable to co-create with each other without the system to keep order. Most of the talk about supporting one another and joining together, etc, is just lip-service. While men and women prefer to pull away from others rather than face the truth, we will never be free. As MAN together, the Establishment have no hold over us. While we cling to the system and all its constructs, we are theirs to manipulate and traumatise.

Anyone who goes into the courts, etc, with all this negative, destructive emotion hanging around will be steam rollered. This is the stuff they thrive off. This is what we have been trying to teach Eilish because, in her present state, she is a lamb to the slaughter. She thinks she needs to keep everything "private" but she does not realise that by making her case public, we are putting pressure on the PTB because there are more eyes watching them in a case where there is a lot of sympathy for her. If she really wants to push away from us and drown in the mire of her own making, she has the free choice to do so and we will respect that BUT, perhaps, further down the track, she will appreciate what we have done for her and that by pushing her to her discomfort zone, we are helping her rid her life of the demons that got her into this situation in the first place and will allow the PTB to crush her. All her beliefs, crafts and practices in Wicca, New Age, etc, are doing nothing to help her in this situation and neither is the freeman stuff. The PTB monitor anyone they want to so they certainly know exactly who she is involved in, what she is planning, etc.

The harrowing journey she is undergoing is harrowing of her making, not ours. We are just willing to expose what is there underneath which is exactly what the system will use against her. Her emotions are entwined in her belief systems like a mish, mash, the one going hand-in-hand with the other. We willingly take the punches on the chin she throws our way but the system will use this stuff against her which is why we are showing her that she can learn from this not to take her emotions into court with her. She needs to go into court as a free woman but to be a free woman, she has to be a gift. Unless she can wake up and confront her fears, coming to terms with the lies of her beliefs, she will never go in as a free woman because she will still be bound to her beliefs and to those around her who agree with her and encourage the continuation of beliefs that are harming her and heading her to experience real harm from the PTB.

The problem with surrounding our lives with those who agree with us is that we never get to deal with our repressed garbage because it is never confronted. This is why the world is so rigidly divided into groups of "like minded" people, i.e. those who won't ruffle our feathers by making us have a look at things from another direction and will allow us to remain in denial. Our unwillingness to look at our garbage is what has us comply and continue to suck on the nipples of the private corporations.

Remember, the real war is about this. Our garbage is what feeds the system and has us cling onto the system. When we give up our garbage, we will no longer need the system and we will have returned to the real world where we are all true brothers and sisters of LIFE and all gifts for LIFE. This comes with full responsibility and very few are ready to take on this responsibility. We feel responsible for our brothers and sisters of LIFE because we choose to, not as victims or martyrs. We have taken on Eilish because we choose to because we take on the responsibility to give her our very best. What happens to her happens to all of us so if we all take on the responsibility to make sure nothing happens to her, we are making sure nothing happens to the rest of us. We are all connected, aren't we? This is the difference between lip-service and doing something. We take on the responsibility to write this email to you rather than just saying, "Oh well, Debra's angry, what can we do?" and leaving it at that.

If we are not willing to really get into each others lives and say the tough stuff, even do the tough stuff, like a parent locking up their heroin addict child so they can cleanse their bodies, we will never be doing more than talking when we say we want to help each other. You know this Debra because you walk-the-talk when it comes to helping those you help.

The work we do is all about freeing men and women of the demons of SELF (the negative, destructive emotions) that have them hang onto the system and all the blame, fear, anger, self-centredness, etc, that comes up is not ours. If you really look at the emails, articles, responses, etc we put out there, you will be unable to find examples of us attacking the men and women we are corresponding with. We don't do it, despite the fact that we cop attacks from men and women when they can no longer answer us in debate but are too chicken to admit it because then they would be admitting that what they stood for was not of the truth. It is not about us being right, Debra. We are happy to be proven wrong and will go where the truth takes us which means that we will move on from whatever we currently feel to be the truth if someone shows us otherwise. This is how we have come so far in five years; we have explored, explored and explored and let go, let go and let go.

MAN is supposed to be a gift for LIFE. There is no gift in "my" or in the demons of SELF. There is no gift in "poor me" or "you make me angry, upset, embarrassed", etc. Gifts are love, generosity, kindness, confrontation, and anything else that comes out of the intention to love another, do no harm and give your very best to another. This is the world we dream for - we don't dream for the system. True freedom is when we have nothing to hide and nothing to protect. We are free to be the sun radiating into the lives of our brothers and sisters.

We are accused of being self-noting, of seeking attention for the website, etc, etc. This is not what we live for. All we want to do is to get the information out there so that people can use their brains and debate it. We have taken on the responsibility to co-create a world of freedom, joy and abundance for all and that is the sole reason why we do what we do.

We will also forward you an email we sent today as a response to a response we got following what we wrote in relation to MM. In it we explain how even the Originie Man sovereignty is based on lies, as well as showing just how much ground we have covered over the past few years. All the evidence is there for those who want to put the effort in and research this incontrovertible evidence.

All the best to our true sister of life.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

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That email we forwarded to Debra Bentley is now this article:

"We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us"
So Say The Hooded Ones Of Black-Magic
By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
22nd May 2010
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7317

We will make some further comment in reply to Deborah etc maybe later today or tomorrow.

Also: check this out, particularly the bit about Joe Bryant... http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5

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Hi Arthur and Fiona,

Thank you for your reply, it has given me a little more insight but also confirmed for me that the negativity that these guys have aimed towards me isn't an isolated instance. I fell foul of Debra simply because I am both Jewish AND indigenous in parts of my heritage (and here I mean ethnic origins, not religious, because I don't subscribe to one form over any other), and I asked her to stop inundating my personal email address with paedophilia links (I was abused as a child which is dealt with, and I didn't feel the need to be re-educated to have rage about it, if you understand? I prefer to have let go), 'Origine' 'quantum syntax' and stuff about Hebrew never having vowels (and I KNOW archaic Hebrew and the different ancient vowel systems, and they just do not equate to English). I only asked her to stop, that was all, really. And I did ask Debra for concrete contributions to a redraft she had asked me to do of a document called a 'Commonwealth Public Official' which is purported to give a sovereign freeman immunity in Australian courts. I pointed out that similar documents have had holders charged with fraud... plus the discrepancy of claiming to be a freeman under Common Law, while claiming Federal protection as a vassal of Queen Elizabeth. I don't understand how you can claim the illegitimacy of 'government' and invoke the protection of a monarch you also claim as illegitimate? Asking me brought the house down on me from them. Debra told me I was not showing due gratitude to her... but she hadn't done anything for me, only asked things from me. Unfortunately she turned Janis against me and got Peter involved (he was of the opinion the CPO document I redrafted is worth 'millions')

As to the freeman movement... all I am interested in sovereignty for is to live my life under Common Law peaceably and help others do the same... not vengeance. I know that if you charge into court claiming common law jurisdiction, you have entered into controversy and, under a commercial court, you automatically place yourself into dishonour under ITS system. With UNICITRAL being adopted, there is a way using an International Exchange Bill to protect yourself but I cannot share this with some people because they are so wrapped up in asserting jurisdiction... and showing belligerency in court *which gets them steamrollered).

I am eclectic in my approach. As to Thomas Anderson, I know the name is fictional (it's the name of the character from The Matrix after all) I just don't know why some people don't see that when they claim knowledge.
Again - thank you both:-)

Cheers

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31st May 2010

Hi .............
Fantastic, and we have taken everything you say on board.

Note: This is not a lecture.. just sharing our view...

We repeat one of our comments posted in the forum: Please tell us how paperwork, administrative processes, etc, create a consciousness that brings peace for ALL of us, INCLUDING those of the establishment? How will these processes invoke a sense of love and conscience in the members of the PTB so that they too will want to create a world of peace for ALL? How effective is a piece of paper against a gun?

The difficulty for most (particularly Peter, Janis & Debra) is getting their brains around the fact that FICTION = HARM, and no matter what form/image of fiction we think and feel, when we put our energy/power of creation into (act on) fiction we are harming & destroying who we are which is LIFE. All the harm coming out of them is the FICTION they worship in the form of distortion/impurity/insincerity that they become when that's what they put their energy into. A dead corpse state is where Peter, Janis & Debra presently reside. The consciousness embodied in their form has been severely depleted just like what happens to a bucket after puncturing many holes so it can only hold a small amount of water. The bucket (their form - who they are creating) is almost empty of LIFE/consciousness and that empty space is filled with unconsciousness = all forms of harm doing upon LIFE (reality).

To create any physical, material, intellectual form of fiction means we have to destroy LIFE and what remains is a dead corpse without LIFE (consciousness) embodied in that form/image. Then we become slaves to this dead-corpse because it needs the living to perform for it which takes men, women and children away from LIFE (reality - nature - families, tribes/villages/communities - relationships). This taking away is MANS fall from paradise/garden of Eden. Today, we have billions lost in a fairytale supporting the supposed existence of a dead-corpse world (the civilisation of commerce) at the cost of forsaking/rejecting/ignoring LIFE (reality - who we really are - what we are really part of & our true purpose). This is what this saying points too: There are many slaves fighting to wear their manacles and protesting vigorously whenever someone tries to loosen them.

We were never meant to worship anything, including nature, MAN, God, etc, but that is what the believers of any form/image of fiction are doing. We are actually destroying who we are until there is nothing left of who we are (LIFE) to remind us who we really are.

We have documented all facets of this spiritual suicide and if you are interested in learning what we have been unravelling from outside the square since 2005 please read the articles posted here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 and the podcasts & videos posted here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7309 - We are ONLY interested in REMEDY and with the help of others along the way we have unravelled the remedy as well. You are always most welcome to contact us and if you ever feel inspired to co-create KINDOM (do no harm communities, the remedy) with us and us with you & others, do not hesitate to get in touch with us. If you want to have a long chat over the phone, we can ring you on the voip (we don't use skype for moral/ethical reasons) so send us your land-line number and we can call you for free and chat for as long as required.

If we are on the right path whenever issues arise they bring us closer together rather than letting them push us apart.
If we can't be there for each other when things/issues come up then we will never be able to heal LIFE together.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

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1st June 2010

Hey guys,

No, I didn't take your last message as a lecture at all...I actually appreciate it when people explain their point of view.

I have decided that I really do not like this site or most of the people on it. They are rife with bile and anger generally and there is so little on here that is constructive.

VioL8d, who is a site admin, has told me that my response to having Janis post MY research as being something she found from being pointed to it by some fictitious facebook friend is a personal attack, no matter how subtle.

She lied, outright and bald-faced. How am I the one to blame for pointing out that it was an untruth? Or put on the spot and held accountable when told that I should share the court process I discovered when I gave enough clues how to research it themselves, without handing it to people who wish me harm, on a platter?

Peter doesn't get told off like that... and he uses the foulest language and NEVER offers anything concrete in the way of a remedy, he only ever tears people down and abuses them. And there are other people who are hinting all the time that they have the solutions to problems but will let others sort out how to do it.... Karl does that all the time. Globalman, bitter divorce or not, and justified in his stance against some people on this site or not, is still a very misogynistic man. I am sorry guys, but if I'd have been his wife I don't know how I could have restrained myself from killing him and keeping everything, lol He is very intelligent though.

I was not very polite in my response to Viol8d. I pointed out the hypocrisy quite graphically. And I am afraid I said that I don't give a rat's for his opinion when someone gets criticised by an admin for pointing out a simple fact (an easily exposed lie) while those who run over anyone at will are allowed and encouraged to do so? I might not be here much longer.

No wonder this site has so few members. GAz had complained to me that freemen in Australia constantly bitch at each other, back-stab, lie and steal without recognition. And yet, it is encouraged under the guise of 'freedom of expression.' One simply cannot deal with these people and remain in honour. On a minor note... their inability to spell infuriates me, lol.

I do understand what you are saying about LIFE and the enormous expenditure of negative energy of these people. My own personal conclusion about their 'dead corpse state' is that they are happy, in their ways, with a new god: instead of YHWH they have TPTB (or just PTB, Powers-That-Be). I guess that not creating something positive and focusing on everything possible that is negative can give some comfort. But it is not constructive, is it?

Personally I use the term 'energy vampires' for these kinds of people...because they do draw the energy out of others and feed on it.

I have an ACN Iris3000 VoiP digital videophone home phone. It's blu-ray (has it's own HD 7 inch screen, doesn't go through the computer but does use the adsl connection. All my local and national calls are free. Plus I can call anyone anywhere in the world with one and its free, too. There will be 267 million of these in circulation by 2012, so that is pretty good. I don't use skype, never did like it.

Right now though I am busy trying to use the strategies with my bank to clear my mortgage, pretty much the way George Tran has, so while do fully intend to check out the links you have given me and I am interested in your kingdom concept, a lot depends on how this month goes for me.

My home number is ................................ Wherever I move to, that number remains the same as the number is tied to the phone, not the house.

I often let it go to voicemail first though and call back to the number that is left in a message... as Janis and company got it, (Janis has one also) and she still gets people to call, so I am screening.

I would certainly enjoy talking to you both,

Cheers
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2nd June 2010

"I don't want to lie on my yoga mat, think peace and do nothing." The Powers That Be have designed a thousand and one distractions to prevent us from co-creating remedy. We expend so much energy on truth, freedom, peace & prosperity for all without ever creating it. We have created a dream but we refuse to give it life.

Distance from the lack of freedom of others acts as a sedative to those who think they have gained their freedom, as do faith and belief. By our actions we make it clear whether we stand for a continuation of the growing anarchy or for a world of love, peace, freedom and abundance for all.

All Great Leaders have no followers because they know that all men and women are equal and inspire them to take responsibility for their lives and their share of the workload.

DO NO HARM

The Sun Casts No Shadow

We are all in this life together.....

Arthur Cristian

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Reply by Adam Michael Birkbeck on June 6, 2010 at 2:38pm

It turns out that the two plainclothes men who kept visiting George Tran's home in Oregon were FBI. Although George did not let them in last time they called by a few days ago... they told him they wanted to question him because he mentioned that Jerry Kane was a 'mentor' of his on his website and mentioned the same in his e-book about clearing his mortgages from his investment properties. George has been told he will be called upon to testify in court. George never met Jerry, just read his materials and contacted him a couple of times by phone a few months ago. So it wasn't the banks being heavy... it was the FBI.

Adam

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Reply by Wes Steel Thursday 8th July 2010 5.30am

Here's footage of what happened (supposedly) prior to the shooting, pretty nasty, so's the reporting.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/vp/38098958#38098958 (note: the video is embedded near the very top of this webpage: Latest News Release From NBC Nightly News With Brian Williams: "Whose America - Underground Group Inciting Violence In The USA" - 2 Minutes 38 Seconds - Arthur Cristian - Love For Life)

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Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian Thursday 8th July 2010 2.37pm

Where is the volume to hear the actual gunshot coming from the gun Joe was holding when he got out of the car????

Where is the evidence that it was Joe holding Joe's shotgun which killed the police officers???

Where is the video that reveals gunpowder coming out of Joe's shotgun as the shot/s were fired???

How do we know that Joe just got out of the car and started firing shots???

Is it possible that Joe was doing the best he could to protect his dad from being harmed or killed by the police officers or by whoever else was there at the scene of the murders????

What if Joe just got out of the car raised his gun and said something like "drop your guns or tasers", etc, to disarm them, etc, and then his dad got back in the car and they left without anyone being harmed???

What if the police officers were killed by special/secret agents after Joe and Jerry left the scene????

What if the police officers (or whoever else was there) started to attack/arrest his dad and got their guns out or tasers as part of their kidnap attempt???

What if someone else (or more than one) started firing shots at the police officers and Joe just instinctively got out of the car and started fighting back to protect the innocent police officers and his innocent father????

What if these police officers were killed by special agents, etc, on the scene working for the Powers That Be????

If they had the incontrovertible evidence that Joe killed the police officers why wasn't this footage been released to the public within hours of the murder back in May 20th 2010???

Why has it taken what appears to be over six weeks before such footage was released for mainstream consumption,,, to doctor the footage and design a plausible argument that Jerry and Joe were the culprits etc etc..... that they were being framed/set-up to put a huge negative dent into the freedom-truth movement which sovereigns are fighting for????????

I smell a very big nasty evil dirty PTB scam here of the worst kind imaginable!!!! on par with the assassinations of JFK, his brother and Martin Luther King......

Things are not what they seem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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Reply by house of flano Thursday 8th July 2010 2.54pm

gday all,

MORE TO THE POINT!!!.
HOW DID THE COP, GET BACK ON TO THE ROAD AFTER HE WAS SHOT ON THE GRASS , FROM A APROX 45 DEGREE ANGLE THE KID SHOT HIM AT????????????
the video show us that the cop chases the father on to the grass, right hand side of the car
the kid gets out with what looks like a assult rifle and start's fireing on an angle possibly at 45 degrees .
so you would think that the cop died on the side of the road on the grass beside the car.
then the next frame of scean the cop is lying in the middle of the road.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

looks like someone has played either with the alleged dead cop tampering with evidance or the hole thing was, stagged.

.........flano

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Reply by house of flano Thursday 8th July 2010 3.44pm

Gday,

The more that you look at what they have edited the more suss it is .

The alleged kid that jumps out of the van has a widows peak in the front of his hair line, and in the scene in the court room he doesn't have a widows peak in his forehead, not something that would change with a hair cut.

Plus the frame between the time he allegedly pulled the trigger and him getting back in the van is gone.

You dont see him getting back in the van and like magic he is back in the van as the father throw's the paper work through the window.

The 4x4 in front of the cop car in the part you see the cop lying on the road, is not on an angle that you would think the 4x4 would be if he arrived on the scene pointing that way.

Why would you park that side of the car if you pulled up to the scene, it looks like his gone past it and then reversed up to the front of the car, but the angle suggests that he has come from the side which the grass is on, which would have driven over possible evidence because that's where the cop was shot, going on the footage.

No big deal, but it would give the car with the video camera a better shot of the scene.

The footage looks to be edited to show what they want..

....flano

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TO ALL THE IDIOTS WHO TRIED SAYING THAT THE POLICE WERE HIDING..

TO ALL THE IDIOTS WHO TRIED SAYING THAT THE POLICE WERE HIDING THE CAMS AND THE TRASH DIDN'T DESERVE TO DIE. TAKE A LOOK AT THE RELEASED CAMS! THE TRASH 16 YEAR OLD GOT OUT SHOOTING THE OFFICERS FIRST!!!!!! I'M SO GLAD THOSE IDIOTS ARE DEAD!!!! I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!! *RIP WMPD*

Re: TO ALL IDIOTS WHO TRIED SAYING THAT THE POLICE WERE HIDING

The Link: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7322 (scroll to almost top of this page to watch this video)

A Comment From Arthur Cristian - Love For Life - Regarding NBC Nightly News Brian Williams Pitch: "Whose America - Underground Group Inciting Violence In The USA"

Where is the volume to hear the actual gunshot coming from the gun Joe was holding when he got out of the car????

Where is the evidence that it was Joe holding Joe's shotgun which killed the police officers???

Where is the video that reveals gunpowder coming out of Joe's shotgun as the shot/s were fired???

How do we know that Joe just got out of the car and started firing shots???

Is it possible that Joe was doing the best he could to protect his dad from being harmed or killed by the police officers or by whoever else was there at the scene of the murders????

What if Joe just got out of the car raised his gun and said something like "drop your guns or tasers", etc, to disarm them, etc, and then his dad got back in the car and they left without anyone being harmed???

What if the police officers were killed by special/secret agents after Joe and Jerry left the scene????

What if the police officers (or whoever else was there) started to attack/arrest his dad and got their guns out or tasers as part of their kidnap attempt???

What if someone else (or more than one) started firing shots at the police officers and Joe just instinctively got out of the car and started fighting back to protect the innocent police officers and his innocent father????

What if these police officers were killed by special agents, etc, on the scene working for the Powers That Be????

If they had the incontrovertible evidence that Joe killed the police officers why wasn't this footage been released to the public within hours of the murder back in May 20th 2010???

Why has it taken what appears to be over six weeks before such footage was released for mainstream consumption,,, to doctor the footage and design a plausible argument that Jerry and Joe were the culprits etc etc..... that they were being framed/set-up to put a huge negative dent into the freedom-truth movement which sovereigns are fighting for????????

I smell a very big nasty evil dirty PTB scam here of the worst kind imaginable!!!!
On par with the assassinations of JFK, his brother and Martin Luther King......

Things are not what they seem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

Go here to learn what we have been learning and sharing with our brothers and sisters of LIFE across Earth since March 2005: For The Body Of The Love For Life Work by Arthur and Fiona Cristian Which Unravels The Reasons For The Chaos, Mayhem and Confusion Being Experienced In The World Today, Explains The Need For "Community Immunity" and Responsibility, and Focuses On The Creation Of Kindoms - Do No Harm, Life-Sustainable Communities (As The Remedy That Heals All Mans Woes) - And How We Can Co-Create Them. For Comments, Articles And Discussions, Go Here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - Also Go Here To See Podcasts And Videos Posted by Arthur & Fiona Cristian: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7309 - The Information Shared Comes From Inspiration, Intuition, Heartfelt-Logic And Information Gathered From Nature And Many Amazing Men And Women Along The Way. It Is Not Found In Any Books Or Channellings, Or Talked About By "Experts".

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Message From Flano

Gday all,

MORE TO THE POINT!!!.

HOW DID THE COP, GET BACK ON TO THE ROAD AFTER HE WAS SHOT ON THE GRASS,
FROM AN APPROX 45 DEGREE ANGLE THE KID SHOT HIM AT????????????

The video show us that the cop chases the father on to the grass, right hand side of the car
the kid gets out with what looks like an assault rifle and start's firing on an angle possibly at 45 degrees.
So you would think that the cop died on the side of the road on the grass beside the car.
Then the next frame of scene the cop is lying in the middle of the road.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like someone has played either with the alleged dead cop tampering with evidence or the whole thing was staged.

.........flano

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Reply by house of flano

Gday,

The more that you look at what they have edited the more suss it is .

The alleged kid that jumps out of the van has a widows peak in the front of his hair line, and in the scene in the court room he doesn't have a widows peak in his forehead, not something that would change with a hair cut.

Plus the frame between the time he allegedly pulled the trigger and him getting back in the van is gone.

You dont see him getting back in the van and like magic he is back in the van as the father throw's the paper work through the window.

The 4x4 in front of the cop car in the part you see the cop lying on the road, is not on an angle that you would think the 4x4 would be if he arrived on the scene pointing that way.

Why would you park that side of the car if you pulled up to the scene, it looks like his gone past it and then reversed up to the front of the car, but the angle suggests that he has come from the side which the grass is on, which would have driven over possible evidence because that's where the cop was shot, going on the footage.

No big deal, but it would give the car with the video camera a better shot of the scene.

The footage looks to be edited to show what they want..

....flano

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Message From Thomas (Australia)

That Jerry thing was pretty obvious... I mean look at the photos... where is the number plate they claim they used to identify them as the same two "men" that killed two police officers 45 minutes earlier with an AK47..??

And why is the car riddled with bullet holes, and the boy handcuffed face down on the ground when he was supposed to have been shot.

Why were they in a WalMart car park after supposedly shooting police officers 45 minutes earlier and not in hiding somewhere?

Why in the video does it look like their car was run over by a tank?

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Message From Bruno (Australia)

I would not be surprised the two dead cops were killed by the powers that be (PTB). The two cops might have seen too much and the PTB had to get rid of them. The PTB have special task forces for such occasions to prevent cops having to kill their "mates", which they would baulk at. The PTB have been known to do this over the ages, often killing shiploads of men who might return to their homelands and spread the word about the massacres of men and women on the land that they had been forced to take part in. "Things Are Not What They Seem".

Bruno

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Message From Sheldon

Where's the patrol car cam video?
Where's the audio?
Where the traffic cam video?

All they are doing is SAYING what they think happened. where's the evidence?
Have they buried it?

I will honorably accept the truth and apologize if you are right, but first we need to see and hear the proof. Until then it's all speculation except for the proof that Jerry and Joe were massacred by law enforcement agencies that participated in the shootout.

Sheldon

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See other comments/messages here: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/05/26/jerry-joe-kane-father-son-kil... or just scroll towards the top of this webpage.

Proof is in the video - god flushed the toilet and they died

Just saw this video on Wildest Police Videos and came across this site while searching for the names of the scumbag father and son team who were responsible for this mess. I really cannot comprehend how any normal, rational person can post that they were anything but absolute lowest life forms in existence and that god simply flushed the toilet and they were no longer. Why is this talk on an Australian web site? Weird. Anyways... all the proof is there, they were pulled over by police for whatever reason, most likely the gave off the typical signals being morons... 'hello we're white trash scum driving an ancient mini van with broken/non-working lights, signals, whatever, and look how low the driver's side is because the father is disgustingly gross fat pig with minimal IQ'. Scumbag dad cooperates until he sees a tactical advantage and decks the first cop. Scumbag son - and he really is the weakest link in the evolutionary chain here by shooting from the passenger seat - scumbag son mows down the cops execution style. So they didn't even have the balls to battle fairly because they couldn't - they knew they were at a disadvantage due to complete and utter lack of brains. From this point onwards they have completely given up their right to exist. Why are the whiney-babies on here crying about their van being crushed by a police truck? What a freaking awesomely amazing tactical move - immobilize the scumbags - it worked - and this cop survived the close encounter. Brilliant! All that was left was for the hundreds of rounds of bullets to carve their way through the complete and utter waste of space that the father and son were. Personally I would have fired an incendiary device into the van and let them blaze their way to their demises, slowly and surely, screaming all the way. Because, in the real world of normalcy, you let pigs roast slowly to seal in the flavour... in this case, seal in their fate. Anyone who thinks they are heroes need to have their heads examined... and then promptly murder everyone in your own family and then yourself, because quite frankly, none of you self-righteous dim-witted, piece of shit americunt fanatics deserve to live in the real world. - Andrew C from Canada [where we have more guns per capita - that means per person for you midget brains - and much less gun crime because we're not complete and utter idiots. Have a nice day.

Conclusions reached are already prescribed for us by the PTB

Without having the first party experience of being there, seeing the gunpowder, hearing the gunshot and seeing who pulled the trigger, all we are left with is what we are fed by the news readers as we watch cut and edited footage. As they "talk us through" the segment, they are actually telling us what to think and how to feel about what we are seeing.

The third parties of the system are making sure that the conclusions we reach are those already prescribed for us by the Powers that Be. This is how all aspects of the fairytale work and we are saturated with millions of them. Everything of LIFE (nature/reality) that we touch, taste, smell, hear, feel and see as 1st parties gives us the information of LIFE it has to offer freely.

In "The System" of the powers that be (PTB), however, we are taught from an early age, by third parties, how to think and feel about everything of "The System", as well as how to think and feel about the life forms of LIFE. This means that we place the information of "The System" over the information of LIFE so that we no longer think and feel the information of LIFE. Not thinking and feeling the information of LIFE makes us capable of destroying LIFE, starting with our own lives.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Nice work guys. Dont worry about the dissenters

Nice work guys. Don't worry about the dissenters, the NWO has got a hate thing going with Centrelink.

The energy in those offices is insane, so horrible. I have had to go in there a couple of times for my son who has a disability and ew its awful.

We know what needs to be done to these bullies, however they are a strong physical force and unless we can match them we need to lie lowish.

I think it will get clearer as time goes on what we need to do.

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The Cristian Family November 2006

We Stand For NO SYSTEM

Kindom (Do No Harm Communities) is the dream for freedom, but it is the dream for the freedom of those around us who also live the dream of freedom, because it is in living for the freedom of others that we get our freedom. When we live for the dreams of Kindom of those around us, we live life as a gift because we live for (dedicate our lives to) their dream of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, just as they live for our Kindom dreams too. This is true co-creation (cooperation) with no attack on the uniqueness of each of us. When we live this way, we have no need for any man-made system - everything/everyone has already been taken care of by our love for life.

Just as we do not have to jump 10 feet across the room to grab our next breath, neither do we have to worry about food, water and shelter because it has all been taken care of as we each co-create Kindoms/Kin-Domains for everyone. Now everybody and everything of the dream of life that is Kindom/Paradise is free (has been set free once again). The issue is greed and selfishness, power and control trips, arrogance, ignorance, being fed many many lies and being traumatised. The issue is not overpopulation - there is more than enough land available for every family to have a hectare (2.5 acres Kin-Domain) to care for. The land of Australia can provide a Kin-Domain for every family across Earth, each with a food forest, clean fresh drinking water and plenty of space for building natural do no harm habitats and with plenty of land left over.

Everyone must have the freedom to take full-responsibility for their lives, for the water they drink, the food they eat and for their shelter. Currently, "The System" forces everyone to give up taking full-responsibility so that we become grown up children accustomed to sucking on the nipples of "The System" corporations for everything, having to use money to get by and to follow the rules of money because we are not co-creating freedom, peace, truth, joy and abundance for each other. Money only leads to haves and have nots and all the abuse, manipulation and distractions that we are subjected to as slaves to money.

When we give up living for other's Kindom dreams, we start creating hell ("The System") all around us because we become self-centred - now it's all about "my freedom","my money", "my land", "my belief", "my saviour", "mine", "mine","mine", "i","i", "i", "own", "own", "own", etc. To protect what we claim we own requires a man-made system with FORCE to protect those self-centred claims. This is ALL trauma based and all story-telling (brainwashing/braindirtying).

Our true freedom comes when we set our thoughts of freedom into motion so that we live freedom rather than just talking and thinking about it while we still slave for "The System". Kindom will not happen while we meditate for hours in the bush or do yoga retreats or wait for Jesus or follow the processes of the OPPT (One People's Public Trust now called One People). This is not freedom because we are not living freedom because we are living the story-telling of Jesus or Zeitgeist or The Secret or Thrive or One Earth/Consciousness/People.

Living Kindom is very, very hard work as we set about repairing the damage to MAN/Earth/Nature that we are ALL responsible for but the burden becomes lighter the more of us put our life-energy into the dream of returning Earth to Paradise. Day-after-day, we all have to work our arses off until Kindom is all around us (MAN) once again. This is the price we pay to set each other free on a piece of land (Kin-Domain), so that no one is under the image-power (education/brainwashing/story-telling) of another MAN anymore and so that everyone can have their space of love to create and live their unique, do no harm dreams. This only happens once we have the Kindoms set up so that everyone is provided for.

Once we re-create the food forests, whether on land or in the suburbs, we can re-claim our freedom, breaking the strangle-hold of "The System" because we are no longer reliant on its services and benefits and no longer turning each other into slaves of "The System", cogs in the wheels of "The System" machine. If we don't put the effort in to set everyone and everything free all around us then we still live in HELL ("The System"). The key is to live for everyone else's freedom so that we can have it too.

From Bare Dirt To Abundance
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

We live for NO SYSTEM. We do not lose anything by not having a man-made system and, in fact, we gain. We gain our freedom and we gain abundance. Let go of the fear.

The Cristian Family November 2006

A Collection Of Various Love For Life Posts
Providing The Big Picture We See

Sequential Order

The Dream Of Life Part 6
Under The Spell Of Intellectual Property

Arthur Cristian - 51 Minutes 52 Seconds
The Dream Of Life Part 6 - Under The Spell Of Intellectual Property - Arthur Cristian

The "Name" Is The Mark Of The Beast
The Strawman Identifying
Your Slave Status In "The System"

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
5th February 2012 - 56 Minutes 25 Seconds
The "Name" Is The Mark Of The Beast The Strawman Identifying Your Slave Status In "The System"

IMAGE POWER
The Nefarious Tactics Used
To Disguise Truth And Distract Us
From Remedy

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
24th January 2014
This post contains many recent Facebook comments
and email replies which collectively provides a big picture
into exposing the deception behind IMAGE POWER.
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8496

The Pull Of E-Motion
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
8th February 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8499

IMAGE POWER
Superb Diamond Range Interviewing
Arthur & Fiona Cristian 4th February 2014
http://youtu.be/qFnuuw3kLog
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8501

Trauma Induced Fantasy
July 2013 Interview With
Jeanice Barcelo And Arthur & Fiona Cristian
http://youtu.be/CZVj-ddUoZw
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8500

Processing Curses
A Lie Is A Curse
Liars Process Curses

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
26th February 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8503

How The System Is Really Constructed
Bouncing Back Curses Upon Curse Makers
To Stop Harm Forevermore

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
27th February 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8504

Slave To A Name
Parts One, Two, Three, Four,
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd to 6th March 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8505

Educated Slaves
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
20th March 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8506

The Only Path To Freedom
Beware The False Steps

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 2nd April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8508

Free-Dumb For All
Arthur and Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 5th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8510

Revoking The Ego
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 7th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8511

How To Detect Intel Operatives Working
For The New World Order Agenda

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 10th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8512

How The Psyop Program & Intel Networks
Are Messing With Your Head +
His-Story/Her-Story

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8513

What It's Going To Take
To Co-Create Freedom Forevermore

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 22nd April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8514

Godzilla Through The Looking Glass
Destroyed By "Name"

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 20th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8514

How MAN Commits Spiritual Suicide
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 3rd April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8509

Crop Circles Are A Massive Hoax
Facebook Discussion On Simon Kawai's Wall
Involving Arthur & Fiona Cristian
31st August 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8470

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
27th February 2013 onwards...
Part One: http://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao
Part Two: http://youtu.be/tbybeOWZ-Bc
Part Three: http://youtu.be/yOWoxH-HbVw

Water Is The Life Of MANS Consciousness (Breath)
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 8th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8350
Part One: http://youtu.be/4ze66_33wxM - 70 Minutes 5 Seconds
Part Two: http://youtu.be/43gIi-sjxJc - 81 Minutes 13 Seconds
Part Three: http://youtu.be/oooY6W63K-M - 70 Minutes 18 Seconds

What Do You Believe On Origins?
Who Said There Was A Beginning?
Who's Truth Do You Accept?
Belief Is A Strange Idea.

Discussion Lyndell, Scott and Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Between March and April 2013
Posted 29th October 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8487

So You Want The Good Bits Of "The System"
But Not The Bad Bits?

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 12th August 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8468

Turning Away From The Reflection
Of MANS Looking Glass

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
30th April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8404

REMEDY

From Bare Dirt To Abundance
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Divine Spark
Facebook Discussion With Raymond Karczewski
Arthur & Fiona Cristian & Others
2nd October 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8483

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

The Steps Of Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life 2006/2007
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

To explore these themes in greater detail go here where you can find links to all our Love For Life comments, articles, debates, discussions, videos, podcasts, etc: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Peaceful Transition Through Sacrifice And Service

We feel there is an essential peaceful do no harm transition required to get all of MAN back to standing on MANS feet without reliance upon another MAN for water, food, shelter. As it stands everyone in "The System" are highly dependent and reliant on the "group mind-set" that forms "The System" of slaves providing services and benefits for the emotionally addicted slaves to "The System" (and you can put us in the same basket too). The transition is to get MAN back to relying ONLY on nature without 3rd party interlopers, intermeddlers, interceders getting in the way. The transition is a team effort with the foresight for setting all of MAN free down-the-line so that MAN is no longer dependent on slaves and masters providing services, benefits, privileges and exclusivity while being bound to contracts, rituals, procedures, conditions, rules & regulations which compromises MAN severely.

This transition is all about shifting from limited liability/responsibility to full liability/responsibility. This full responsibility is all about caring for our health, nature all around us, clean uncorrupted (pure) water and food, partner/co-creator, children, shelter, animal-friends in partnership, etc. In "The System", we are already together destroying each other - we have to come together to create peace together so that we can all have peace. We cannot live peacefully when we are islands, not taking full responsibility for the lives of those around us until EVERYONE can take full responsibility for their life, which means that EVERYONE is healed of system trauma. In "The System", we all come together to make slaves of each other - now is the moment to come together to set each other free, to live for each other's freedom, peace, joy and abundance. Once we have set each other free, we are free.

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

"The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

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Once we fix these issues, we or our children or our descendants to come, can start focusing on the even bigger picture of getting back to where our ancestors were, as breatharyan's, before they fell into non-sense images to be enslaved by them.

All the best to you and your family
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Cristian Family Declaration

The Cristian family and The Love for Life Campaign are apolitical, non-religious, non-violent, anti weapons, anti drugs (both pharmaceutical and recreational) and anti any ideology that denies the existence of Do No Harm Communities (Kindoms) and suppresses the uniqueness and freedom of all men, women and children.

The Cristian family and our Love For Life work is unaligned to any big business corporation, intelligence agency, government body, "system" law, "system" think tanks, "system" green or environmental movements, religion, cult, sect, society (fraternity, brotherhood, sisterhood, order, club, etc,) secret or not, hidden agenda, law or sovereignty group, occult, esoteric, New Age or Old Age.

The Cristian family supports and promotes the remedy that brings an everlasting peace, freedom, truth, joy, abundance and do no harm for all of life without causing loss of uniqueness or the need for having slaves and rulers. We are not into following the one in front or being shepherds for sheeple. Most importantly, we take full-responsibility for everything we think, feel and do.

The Cristian family are not Christians.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

December 2006

The Cristian Family November 2006

THE CRISTIAN FAMILY PLEDGE

Being of clear brain, heart and intention, we each declare the following to be true:

• We have no intention of ending our own lives.

• We will not tolerate suppression of truth, ideas, freedom, or our work. We stand for freedom of speech.

• We stand together to support others in the expression of truths and freedom to speak out no matter how radical those ideas may seem.

• Standing for freedom takes courage; together we shall be strong in the face of all odds.

• If it is ever claimed that we have committed suicide, encountered an unfortunate accident, died of sickness/disease, disappeared, been institutionalized, or sold out financially or in any other way to self-interested factions, we declare those claims false and fabricated.

• We testify, assert and affirm without reservation, on behalf of all those who have dedicated their lives to the ending of secrecy and the promotion of freedom of thought, ideas and expression that we shall prevail.

• We Do Not Have Multiple Personality Disorders

Arthur Cristian
Fiona Cristian
Jasmin Lily Cristian
Emma Rose Cristian
Frances Hannah Cristian
Xanthe Jane Cristian

15th December 2006 (Edited/Updated 18th September 2011)

The Cristian Family November 2006

Update Regarding The Love For Life
Home Page And Quick User Guide

We are turning the Love for Life Quick User Guide http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 into a blog of all the main insights of our work since March 2005, whether through articles, videos, podcasts or discussions/debates.

As we do not have the time to compile everything we have written into a book, as many have suggested we do, compiling all our most important work into one area of the website is a way of providing easy access to this work so those interested are able to fully comprehend the big picture.

Instead of having to find our different articles, videos, etc, in various parts of the website, it will all be accessible here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385.

Love For Life Videos

As amateurs and posted in the Quick User Guide below the Facebook links, we're currently creating and posting a series of videos called "The Dream Of Life" which covers the ground of all the Love For Life insights. We plan to have the videos completed by December 31st 2012. Once this is behind us, our intention is to create a 2 hour or so video covering the body of this work. All videos are embedded in the quick user guide http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 and uploaded in Arthur's YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ArthurLoveForLife.

Love For Life Music

We have started recording songs, with others, that express the themes of Love For Life. They are now being posted on Arthur's YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ArthurLoveForLife and are embedded in the quick user guide http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608. We have over 100 songs to record. A few rough demos have already been used as the soundtrack on the first "Dream of Life" video.

About Us - Love For Life & The Cristian Family

Also, everything we, the Cristian family, have gone through, from bank fraud and the theft of the family home to death threats and attempts on Arthur's life, is documented in the Quick User Guide too. If you, the reader, are prepared to put the effort in, you will comprehend the extent to which we have all been tricked into becoming slaves, giving up our uniqueness and our full-responsibility for life and destroying everything of life to the point where life is in danger of dying out completely. You will also comprehend the remedy to all this chaos; a remedy that requires only love for life and the determination to do what needs to be done. Though our focus is very strongly on the remedy that creates a world of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance and Do No Harm for all of life without loss of uniqueness or the need for slaves and rulers, we realise that it is vital to comprehend how to get there and what stops us from getting there. This is why there is so much information on the hows and whys of everything going wrong in the world today. We are not into peddling conspiracy theories, we are into routing out all forms of organised crime.

Saturday 26th November 2011

Arthur and Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

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1. For The Body Of The Love For Life Work by Arthur and Fiona Cristian

Which Unravels The Reasons For The Chaos, Mayhem and Confusion Being Experienced In The World Today, Explains The Need For "Community Immunity" and Responsibility, and Focuses On The Creation Of Kindoms - Do No Harm, Life-Sustainable Communities (As The Remedy That Heals All Mans Woes) - And How We Can Co-Create Them. For Comments, Articles And Discussions, Go Here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - Also Go Here To See Podcasts And Videos Posted by Arthur & Fiona Cristian: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7309 - The Information Shared Comes From Inspiration, Intuition, Heartfelt-Logic And Information Gathered From Nature And Many Amazing Men And Women Along The Way. It Is Not Found In Any Books Or Channellings, Or Talked About By "Experts". Go Here To Read A Brief Synopsis Of Why We Started Love For Life: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8182

2. For Information About The Ringing Cedars of Russia Series

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1125 and for more on Eco Homes, Villages, Organic and Permaculture Gardening and Life-Sustainability, etc, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3641 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1985 and Mikhail Petrovich Shchetinin - Kin's School - Lycee School at Tekos: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5173

3. For How To Eat A Raw, Living Food Diet,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5068 - LIFE is information. When we distort LIFE and then eat, drink, absorb, think, feel, hear, see, touch, taste, smell and perform these distortions, the information of LIFE, your LIFE, our LIFE, our children's lives, everyone's LIFE, is distorted.

4. To Find A Menu For The Extensive Research Library (over 8,000 items posted embodying over 11,000 documents, pdf's, videos, podcasts, etc)

Which Covers Topics From Health to Chemtrails/Haarp to Brain Control to Archaeology to Astronomy Geocentricity Heliocentricity to Pandemics Bird Flu Swine Flu to Fluoride to Cancer to Free Energy to Global Warming, 9/11, Bali Bombings, Aspartame, MSG, Vaccinations, Aids/HIV, Mercury, New World Order, Satanism, Religions, Cults, Sects, Symbolism, etc, etc, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/82

5. If You Would Like To Read About The Cristian Family NSW Supreme Court Case

(Macquarie Bank/Perpetual Limited Bank Fraud Condoned By Judges, Registrars, Barristers, Lawyers, Politicians, Public Servants, Bureaucrats, Big Business and Media Representatives - A Crime Syndicate/Terrorist Organisation) Which Prompted The Creation Of This Love For Life Website December 2006, And The Shooting And Torture Of Supporters Who Assisted Us In Reclaiming The Family Home, Joe Bryant And His Wife, Both In Their Late 70's, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5 And Read Some Of Our Email Correspondence With Lawyer Paul Kean - Macedone Christie Willis Solari Partners - Miranda Sydney May 17th-June 27th 2006: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7300

6. For The Stories Of Other Victims Of The System,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/australian_stories (If you have a story you would like us to put up, we would love to here from you:
action @ loveforlife.com.au)

7. For Documentation Of Harm Done By The Powers-That-Be And Their Representatives,

Evidence Revealing How Victims Did Not Break The Peace, Caused No Crime or Harm, There Were No Injured Parties. Documenting Incontrovertible Evidence Demonstrating How The Powers That Be (PTB) And Their Lackeys Will Break All The Laws They Are Supposed To Uphold. They Will Kidnap, Intimidate, Terrorise, Rape, Pillage, Plunder And Lie And Take Responsibility For None Of It. All Part Of Their Tactics Of Using Fear And Trauma To Keep Us In Our Place. Relatives Of Those Under Their Radar Are Also Not Safe From Attack And Intimidation. All Starting From A $25 Fine For Not Voting And A $65 Fine For Not Changing A Dog Registration. We Do Not Have Freedom And Can Only Appear To Have Freedom If We Comply. Regardless How Small The Matter The PTB Throw Hundreds Of Thousands Of Dollars Away To Enforce Their Will.... Go Here:
Fiona Cristian Reply To State Debt Recovery Office - Part One to Part Ten - From 17th October 2008 And Still Continuing:
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6319 or
Fiona Cristian Reply To State Debt Recovery Office
Part One: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5742 - From 17th October 2008
Part Two: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6135 - From 18th December 2008
Part Three: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6295 - From 9th January 2009
Part Four: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6296 - From 14th January 2009
Part Five: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6375 - The Sick Puppy - From 20th February 2009
Part Six: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6390 - Police Officers, Sheriff’s Officers, Tow Truck Driver and State Debt Recovery Office Blatantly Ignore the Law To Rape, Pillage and Plunder The Private Property Of Fiona Cristian - From 11th March 2009
Part Seven: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6445 - Affidavit Of Truth - Letter To The Queen + Australia: Fascism is Corporatism - From 30th March 2009
Part Eight: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6652 - The Pirates Auction And The Ghost Of VSL386 - From 4th April 2009
Part Nine: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7073 - Arthur Cristian's Letter To Pru Goward MP - From 15th December 2009
Part Ten: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7500 - Should We Be In Fear Of Those Who Claim To Protect Us? "Roman Cult" Canon Law - Ecclesiastical Deed Poll - The Work Of Frank O'Collins - From 13th October 2010

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go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/895 - For Common Law, Democracy, Constitution, Trial By Jury, Fee Simple, etc, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/category/main/law-articles-documents

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13. To Read About How A Representative Of The NSW Jewish Board Of Deputies Had Threatened To Shut Down The Love For Life Website

go here: Part One: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6616 Part Two: THE STEVE JOHNSON REPORT AND VIDEO: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6665 and Part Three: Latest Update On James Von Brunn: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6673

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Love For Life does not support harm doing in any shape or form. However, we are supporters of free speech and post articles, documentaries, etc, that represent a wide cross section of ideas. See the Love For Life extensive research library where over 11,000 individual documents, articles, videos, podcasts and debates/discussions are posted: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/82. We clearly see the evidence of the destruction to MAN and Earth that has been caused by ALL religions over the centuries and are therefore not supporters of religions, cults, sects or any group that demands conformity of thought, speech or action, or has rules, regulations or rituals that must be followed. Religions, nationalities and cultural "identities" are formed as a result of the brainwashing we receive from childhood. They are part of the tactics the Establishment uses to keep us all divided from one another and fighting one another.

All religions promote discrimination and division, leading to hatred and even violence and murder. None of them have yet to produce a remedy to all the suffering, poverty, unhappiness and discrimination in the world. If any religion truly had the remedy to all the suffering on earth, there would no longer be any suffering. What have Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, atheism and the New Age done to end the suffering in the world?

The Love For Life website has information from all sides on many subjects, whether about Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Law, health, psychology, mind control, vaccination, aspartame, MSG, Chemtrails etc. There are over 11,000 individual articles, documentaries, etc on the website and they are so diverse that we are sure that everyone would be able to find something they loved and something they hated, if they took the time to search. If we removed all the articles hated by everyone, there would probably be nothing left! We are not anti anyone but freedom of speech is freedom of speech and no one should condemn the work of another without taking the time to research the subject themselves. Yes, there are articles by those who have a less-than-rosy-viewpoint of Judaism, but there are also articles on the dark side of Tibetan Buddhism (and it is very dark) for those who are interested in the truth: Tibet - Buddhism - Dalai Lama: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6271 Should the authors of these articles be abused and imprisoned for daring to challenge the widely conceived reputation of Buddhism as being the religion of peace and love and that of the Dalai Lama as a saint, or should those interested be allowed to study the work and come to their own conclusions? The same applies to all the articles, documentaries, etc, about Christianity, Islam, Freemasonry, New World Order, etc.

The Love for Life website also shows how the Rule of Law, the Bar, the Government, the Monarchy, the system of commerce, the local, national and multi/trans-national private corporations, all the courses and careers on offer from our universities, all the educators, scientists, academics and experts, the aristocrats and the Establishment bloodlines have also done NOTHING to end the suffering in the world. The website maps the insanity of a world where there is no help for those in need, just as there was no help available for us when we were victims of terrible bank fraud: http://loveforlife.com.au/court_case orchestrated, condoned and protected by an international crime syndicate/terrorist organisation of judges, barristers, registrars, lawyers, politicians, banksters, big business representatives, media moguls and other lackeys who, all together, put up a wall of silence despite our trying many, many avenues. After the family home was stolen and business destroyed we were left close to poverty and destitution caring for 4 young daughters. Three years later not much has changed regardless of all our efforts. Where were all the followers of all the religions to help us? Or do we have to be members of those religions to receive help from others involved in them?

We have been accused of being anti - Jewish because we had posted an excerpt from James von Brun's book: Kill the Best Gentiles! http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6054 in which he blames Jews for the problems of the world. Obviously this is not our view because of what we have stated above. We do not hate anyone, whatever religion they follow. We are always open to talk to any religious leader or politician and meet with any judge, member of the Bar, experts, academics, educators etc to share the remedy we offer that heals all the divisions between MAN and MAN, and MAN and EARTH.

Today, a representative of the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies is threatening to close the website down, because they have decided it is anti - Jewish and that we promote racism. What has the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies done to end the suffering in the world? Can they show that they are concerned with the suffering of ALL men, women and children AND ARE SEEN TO BE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT or are they only concerned with Jewish affairs? If so, they, along with all the other religions that only care for their own, are part of the problem, not part of the solution. The man who rang Arthur today was only concerned with Jewish affairs; he was not interested in our intentions or in anybody else, just as most Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Catholics, etc, are only interested in their own. While we separate our lives into groups, dividing our lives from others with rules, regulations, rituals, procedures, conditions and contracts, we will never solve our problems.

No matter what we in the Western World Civilisation of Commerce have been promised by our politicians, religious leaders, scientists, educators, philosophers, etc, for the past two hundred years, all we have seen is ever-increasing destruction of men, women and children and Earth. None of the so-called experts and leaders we have been taught to rely on are coming up with a solution and none of them are taking full-responsibility for the fact that they can't handle the problem. All religious books talk about end times full of destruction and suffering but why do we have to follow this program when there is an alternative to hatred, mayhem and death? Why are our leaders following the program of destruction and death rather than exploring the do no harm alternatives? It seems that any mainstream politician, priest or academic are only interested in supporting the RULES OF THE DIVIDE, that maintain the haves and the have nots. For 200+ years, 99% of the world population have been so trained to pass on their responsibility for their lives, others and Earth, that the 1% of the population that make up the leaders of the rest of us are making all the decisions leading to the destruction of all of us and Earth. Let's not forget the education system that brainwashes the 99% of the population that we are free and have equal rights while, in fact, we are feathering the nests of those at the top.

At the root of all our problems is self-centredness, an unwillingness nurtured by the Establishment that keeps us concerned only with our own needs rather than the needs of others around us and Earth. Instead of creating and releasing acts of love for those around us as gifts to benefit them and Earth, we take, take and take, until there is nothing left. The whole point of the Love for Life website is to show people the root of all our problems and to share the remedy. The extensive research library is there to attract browsers and to provide access to information not available through mainstream channels. If the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies can, after careful examination of our work, prove that anything we are saying is wrong, we will be happy to accept their proof. If they cannot, and they are still insistent on closing the website down, they will be showing themselves to be traitors to MAN because they are not interested in pursuing any avenue that can end the suffering in the world.

All religions, corporations and organisations that support and maintain the Western World Civilisation of Commerce are part of the problem because our civilisation is a world of haves and have nots, exclusivity, privilege, racism, violence, hatred, poverty, sickness, discrimination, abuse, starvation, homelessness, corruption, collusion, vindictiveness, social unrest, arrogance, ignorance, fear, war and chaos. While we support civilisation, we support death and destruction.

If we truly want peace and freedom for all, we have to let go of all that which keeps us divided, and come together as MAN, conscious living co-creators of creation/life. The Love For Life website offers a remedy to the problems we all face in the form of DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES (KINDOMS): http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 - http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3641 For more details see here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - We also highly recommend that everyone read the brilliant Russian books called The Ringing Cedars: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1125 - The Love For Life homepage/front-page also provides lots of inspiring remedy based information: http://loveforlife.com.au - If you want to be kept up to date with our work please register to the Love For Life mailing list here: http://loveforlife.com.au/campaign_list We usually send two postings per month. Presently (September 2011) there are over 7000 registrations reaching over 500,000 readers across Earth. The website now (September 2011) receives up to 12 million hits per month. Since December 2006, over 100 million people have visited the Love For Life website.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur and Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
17th June 2009