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Ashleigh Cave lost the use of her legs after a vaccination

Question A Doctor And Lose Your Child
By Daniel Foggo
TimesOnLine.co.uk
6th September 2009

PARENTS are being threatened with having their children taken into care after questioning doctors’ diagnoses or objecting to their medical care.

John Hemming, a Liberal Democrat MP, who campaigns to stop injustices in the family court, said: “Very often care proceedings are used as retaliation by local authorities against ‘uppity’ people who question the system.”

Cases are emerging across the UK:

The mother of a 13-year-old girl who became partly paralysed after being given a cervical cancer vaccination says social workers have told her the child may be removed if she (the mother) continues to link her condition with the vaccination.

A couple had all six of their children removed from their care after they disputed the necessity of an invasive medical test on their eldest daughter. Doctors, who suspected she might have had a blood disease, called for social services to obtain an emergency protection order, although it was subsequently confirmed that she was not suffering from the condition. The parents were still considered unstable, and all their children were taken from them.

A single mother whose teenage son is terminally ill and confined to a wheelchair has been told he is to become the subject of a care order after she complained that her local authority’s failure to provide bathroom facilities for him has left her struggling to maintain sanitary standards.

In the first of those cases, Ashleigh Cave, 13, from Liverpool, began experiencing severe headaches and dizziness half an hour after being inoculated last October with Cervarix, which guards against girls contracting the human papilloma virus.

The schoolgirl was soon collapsing repeatedly; she lost the use of her legs and was admitted to Alder Hey children’s hospital. Nearly 11 months later she is still in hospital and is unable to stand or walk unaided. Her mother, Cheryl, has now been told that doctors believe her condition must be psychosomatic.

“The hospital brought in social workers from the local authority who have told me they are considering putting Ashleigh on an at-risk register,” Cheryl Cave said. She is convinced her daughter’s paralysis was caused by the vaccination.

Cave said that a social worker from Sefton council said she suspected her of having Munchausen’s syndrome by proxy or factitious illness syndrome — controversial conditions in which mothers are said to attribute illnesses falsely to their children in order to gain attention.

Cave said: “The social worker said I should stop believing the injection has anything to do with Ashleigh’s condition because I am putting my thoughts on to her and stopping her getting well.

“Since Ashleigh was in hospital she has become incontinent and had double kidney infections and chest infections. Have I made all these up?”

In the third of these cases, Melvilina Gavin-Langley’s 16-year-old son Omar is terminally ill with Duchenne muscular dystrophy and restricted to a wheelchair.

His mother is embroiled in a legal dispute with Birmingham city council over a partly completed extension intended to provide Omar with easy access to a bathroom.

Gavin-Langley, 49, who wants the extension rebuilt because she says it was designed in a way that was dangerous and obstructed access to sewers, said: “I have had to carry Omar upstairs to bathe him but it was risking dislocating his shoulders and also I got a hernia from all the lifting.

“I told the council I could no longer lift Omar across my back.

“They then turned that around and said I had said I could no longer care for my son. They say they have to put him into care because his hair has not been washed and he’s not getting a bath. They have just threatened me with this because they don’t like me taking legal action against them.”

A spokesman for Birmingham city council confirmed the council was seeking an interim care order but said social workers wanted Omar to remain with his mother.

Sefton council did not comment on the Ashleigh Cave case.

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COMMENTS

Rachel Livermore wrote:
The use of the MSBP/FII false allegation regime against women who dare to question doctors has been pretty much established in the last decade; indeed MSBP is one of the medical professions most favoured devices to be used against "uppity" women.

The governments own research indicates we should be seeing around 65 genuine cases of MSBP a year, but already inside a decade we've "burned through" 360+ years of allegations in England & Wales.

ME and the mothers of autism spectrum disorders have probably been the biggest victims of false MSBP allegations - and indeed MSBP allegations are routinely used to explain common medical conditions understood outside the secret Family Courts.
September 9, 2009 12:07 PM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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Susan Barnes wrote:
My daughter in Y8 was offered the vaccine earlier this year but we refused it (we discussed it and my daughter had the final decision on the matter.) It was already known that all vaccines carry a small risk of serious reaction, which is probably acceptable when it comes to preventing the spread of serious diseases, but it seems that this new vaccine carries a far higher risk than the tried and tested vaccines routinely given to young children (re Julie Jones' comment). I hope to goodness it will be withdrawn so no more such tragedies can occur.

Our reasons for refusing it, however, were as follows:

I would argue there is no need for it anyway, if we consider the fact that the potentially cancer-causing virus can only be transmitted sexually. Should we not try to show more confidence in our young people, their natural idealism and their ability to say 'no' to casual sex - and to the decrepit and destructive paradigm, based on determinism, held by so many people of our generation? Our children are people of free will, with the ability to CHOOSE what is good for them. Do we not do our utmost to educate them in the avoidance of drugs, alcohol, and certain foods? Casual sex is psychologically and sometimes physically devastating, as well as highly addictive. Sex is a beautiful aspect of our being which nature intended to occur within a stable relationship, where children can be properly nurtured instead of having their hearts broken. Our young people are intelligent enough to understand this, especially when they are shown the fallout from all the bad choices made by their elders.
September 9, 2009 10:00 AM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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Max Desorgher wrote:
As a foster carer I saw how social services, education and health departments of local councils work together to take children into care, and once in care to mess up their lives. Decisions are made at a management level behind closed doors, and everyone else - families, social workers, foster carers, teachers, the people who really care find themselves being used, manipulated, lied to, so that social services get their way. I was told by a manager at my foster care agency that to stand up to social services is like biting on as stone. You only end up with broken teeth. They appear to be a law unto themselves and are ruthless in the pursuance of their own agenda.

September 9, 2009 8:17 AM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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Jap Sniper wrote:
Hitler’s plan for a master race did not end with World War II. It is being systematically implemented today at an accelerating pace.
His quest for a global eugenics empire never ended because those who brought him and his sinister movement to power were never condemned and punished. To that end. The leaders of some of America’s largest corporations who not only funded the global eugenics movement but aided Hitler’s attempts to implement it through direct assistance to the Nazi war machine.
There is a hidden agenda behind the importation of thousands of Nazi war criminals to the United States, abortion on demand, human chop shops, euthanasia, bioethics, AIDS, cloning, genetic experiments, and an unending series of unethical medical testing programs conducted by the U.S. government.
Those who ignore history....
Peace and Love to all.
September 9, 2009 7:52 AM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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Clark Paton wrote:
Only an idiot would choose to have the "health care" that the UK has. It is paternalistic, condescending and worthless. Why, O, why is the US actually foolish enough to think about duplicating the UK's idiotic and non-effective health care system? Only an idiot (or Obama) would actually think the UK-type medical care system is actually workable? Please, grow up, UK, and rid yourself of your non-workable medical "care" system.
September 9, 2009 1:21 AM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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Rick Locke wrote:
We can end government intervention in our lives-PLEASE study Robert Arthur Menard, Mary Elizabeth Croft and Veronica Croft.

All these abuses CAN stop if we are properly educated.

Visit TPUC as soon as you can and realise that we should be living under NO rules apart from those of the Magna Carta.

September 8, 2009 7:55 PM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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John Regis wrote:
Wow it's lvoely to see some actual proper journalism taking place and highlighting how disgusting this nanny state has become. There were warnings about this jab all over the "alternative" press, but nothing much reported in the mainstream media.

We now have the swine flu jabs coming soon for school pupils and then the rest of us and there are already dire warnings coming out about the safety of these drugs and drug companies will have immunity from prosecution. Search for "The flu case" in any search engine if you want more information.
September 8, 2009 7:42 PM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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Rick Locke wrote:
PEOPLE!!!- you need to visit the TPUC and The Freeman On The Land websites.
September 8, 2009 6:53 PM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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Anya Brooks wrote:
I am a student who has been studying research about this vaccination.
My sympathies go out to all parents and children who are suffering from the after effects of this vaccination. There have not been enough trials especially on this age group. Turning this into a child protection case against a distraught mother who is fighting for her child is outrageous - it should be the other way around!
Parents - LOCK UP YOUR DAUGHTERS and research this vaccination before you consent
September 8, 2009 6:49 AM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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Matt Eales wrote:
This is absurd. I think people need to question/cross reference the diagnosis of doctors if they can.

I know it's not really in the same league as the illnesses described (and I have no dependents to lose) but I had chronic shin pain that prevented me from running it was so bad. And the first nurse I saw said there was no cure and I was wasting my time trying to find a solution and my GP was of a similar opinion. Thankfully 15 months on and having seen a further 4 people I am well on my way to recovery, but only because I refused to accept the opinion of the original nurse and GP.
September 7, 2009 10:13 AM BST

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Suzy Chapman wrote:
Accusations of MSbP (FII) against parents of children and young people with ME, the placing of children and young people on the “at risk” register, threats of child protection proceedings and in some cases, forcible removal of a child or young person from the home via court orders into hospital wards (sometimes on locked psychiatric wards or where parents are denied visiting rights) by social services, community paediatricians or paediatric consultants, in cases where a child’s diagnosis has been challenged by the family or where the family has rejected treatments such as CBT/GET or psychosocial management of their child’s illness have, equally disturbingly, been taking place for years within the ME patient community.
September 6, 2009 9:31 PM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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Laurence Swift wrote:
Just to add a brief comment to John Bald's comment. I'm sure that there are many excellent social workers out there, but they tend to be given a bad name by the other 95%.
September 6, 2009 8:43 PM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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julie jones wrote:
I am absolutley disgusted with what is happening to the Cave family. I also have an 18 year old daughter who has sufferred serious side effects to the Ceravix vaccine. She has had encephalitis and now has epilepsy. She was in hospital for 8 weeks but is now in a brain injury unit in Birmingham. I know that the vaccine cased my daughter's illness because she was perfectly fine until she had them.It has totally devastated my family and i will do everything in my power to get this vaccine investigated further. The vaccine should be suspended until Glaxo can prove otherwise before someone else is injured. I know of at least 8 girls who have had adverse reactions to Ceravix. Two of them have been severe like Ashleigh including my daughter and a 13 year old from Telford.
September 6, 2009 7:57 PM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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Laurence Swift wrote:
It is really scary that a child, or even all the children of a family, can be taken away from their parents (or transferred fron the custody of one parent to the other) at the whim of a set of "social workers" who have no medical, legal, nor ethical training, without a prior and proper Court Order and serious medical investigation, and without the complete involvement of the parents and children concerned. The parents can appeal - only after the removal of the children, when the damage of the trauma of removal from the parents has been done. But they have no right to legal aid as far as I know. This system is obviously too wide open to abuse by these so-called social workers, who are given far too much power. The system needs a drastic overhaul, to include the Courts at the earliest stage, with full rights of defence and appeal and all with Legal Aid for the defendants (for such are the parents, who are being "accused" of Munchausen's by Proxy) but are treated Guilty Until Proven Innocent. The kingpin of all British justice is that everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a Court of Law - and there must be no exceptions to this.
September 6, 2009 7:31 PM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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Denise Longman wrote:
Thank you for bringing this into the open.
My heart goes out to the family and I hope that something changes for them.
The psychiatrists and social workers have been embroiled in this kind of thing way before this government took power.
I have been an ME patient for 24 years, in contact with several ME patients who have been forced or coerced into psychiatric wards where they have been abused by those who tried to maintain that the illness was "all in your head". When the psychiatric treatment did not cure them, nothing else was offered and they have been left to struggle on, hidden from the world, looked after by their families if they are lucky, marginalised and always under the shadow of being called work shy or scrounger.
The old boy network has long ruled in our so-called open and democratic society, and some medical consultants wield a power greater than any "closed shop" union ever did. Question their diagnosis, or lack of one, especially in neurological cases, and they try to shift the burden onto the patient, or in the case of children, onto the parents. This is more often the mother, who is often left holding the fort as families collapse under the pressure.
Neurological diseases have always been too much for the system - remember that Parkinson's disease was blamed on the patients own psyche, as was Multiple Sclerosis, until better techniques gave the true picture. Now diseases like ME are denied any kind of treatment - very many patients are only offered cognitive behavioural therapy, and denied any recognition that their illness is real. This leaves them discarded by the benefits system as well as by the medical profession.
Vaccine damage isn't what any of the authorities want to admit to. I would urge this family to have private tests for infections such as Mycoplasma, known to contaminate some vaccines, and to search the Internet for support groups who can offer advice for free.
Check out squalene and adjuvants, and Guillane Barr
September 6, 2009 3:31 PM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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John Bald wrote:
One of the key techniques of fascism was to exercise power without interference from the courts. New Labour is extending this technique to local councils, partly over relatively small issues such as parking fines, partly over big issues such as child care, in which justice is not seen to be done. There are many excellent social workers, but they are working within a system that could have been designed to promote abuse of power. The Conservatives need to tackle this in a way that does not lead to more abuse.
September 6, 2009 7:54 AM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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Paul Saigon wrote:
Simple: our children are not ours, they are the property of the state. The supine Tories will not change anything. They are social workers under the skin.
September 6, 2009 5:05 AM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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Cath Morland wrote:
What madness is this when babies and children in danger are left with abusve parents to die at their hands (or, in the Edlington case, to grow up and inflict cruelty on other children) yet other, presumably loved and cared for children are threatened with state care because they have concerned parents? It can't be easy being a social worker in Britain but such cases don't help their image much, do they?
September 6, 2009 1:12 AM BST on UK-TimesOnline

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Roger Carter wrote:
These reports are so frightening. What is happening to this once great country. On the one hand licence and permissiveness is rampant but on the other the State and its agencies apply psychological pressures worthy .yes, again I say it....of Orwellian control. These are sad days for this now scary country.
September 5, 2009 11:47 PM BST

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