Hi,
Have been browsing this site for a few weeks researching Common Law Jurisdiction in Australia. I have a question regarding a case coming against a friend who owns a small cafe in NSW, who has been issued with multiple fines from his Local Council for 'spruiking'. Its a small family business, he is the sole director of his PTY LTD, the infringements have been issued in his company name (with the Council logo and the Ranger only identified by his RANGER Number!).
The fines are trumped up claims. The Rangers have stated on each of the fines that his staff and himself were seen 'spruiking'. Apparently this Council and its Rangers thinks that by talking to someone outside your own cafe with a menu in your hand is spruiking (note - none of the staff were calling out loudly, or obnoxiously approaching people - no-one was injured - they were simply talking to people who had stopped to look at his menu boards).
The fines amount to THOUSANDS of dollars!! Its ridiculous. This is a small family business simply trying to run a cafe and earn an income.
Can he still identify himself as the flesh and blood of his COMPANY NAME PTY LTD and claim Common Law Jurisidiction?
And once he has identified himself as the flesh and blood of his COMPANY NAME PTY LTD in this court hearing, would this affect him if Council or anyone else continued to pursue him in any future court cases against either himself or his Company Pty Ltd?
From my understanding, he would approach the stand before the Magistrate - identify himself as First Name Surname, the flesh and blood of COMPANY NAME PTY LTD, and state "I wish to claim Common Law Jurisidiction".
When the Magistrate asks 'How to you plead' he would reply "I plead guilty to the FACTS, not guilty to the charges". He would then be entitled to have the facts heard and COUNCIL would need to a) identify itself in flesh and blood; b) provide proof that he was spruiking in EACH of the infringements; c) have an injured person take the stand for EACH of the infringments served; and d) provide a witness to EACH of the infringements.
Would appreciate any feedback!!
Thanks.
Note: Updated Tuesday 2nd February 2010 6.40pm Sydney Time.
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No, That Wouldn't Work "Common Law Jurisdiction" Doesn't Mean...
No, that wouldn't work, largely due to the fact that "Common Law Jurisdiction" doesn't mean anything like that.
Further, if he's pleading guilty to the facts, why would they have to prove the facts?
If he tries running that crazy argument, would you be so kind as to post here afterwards with the outcome of the hearing? It rather irks me that this site always hands out dud advice, yet we never hear about how badly it fails...
Fact VS Crime??
Thanks for your response....have considered your point.
The issue here is - the infringements are for "spruiking" (or in legal terms, not operating in compliance with Council laws under DA blah blah blah, which include no 'spruiking' - however 'spruiking' is not a clearly defined term). No where on the infringements does it state the word 'spruik', they simply state that a staff member of the cafe was seen to approach a person in public with a menu in his hand, and spoke to that person. If that is a fact, then you must plead guilty to the FACT yes?
But just because he spoke to someone on the street, does that constitute a crime? What the Council is claiming is that, by speaking to someone on the street with a menu in your hand, DOES constitute a crime, a breach of the Council by-laws, and warrants a $660 fine. The Council claims that this is 'spruiking', and under THEIR law, you are not allowed to do this.
Consider this : If I'm walking down the street, and you look at me, you stop and engage me in conversation, and you hand me your business card.... under this Council's law, you are guilty of 'spruiking'. If a Council Ranger witnesses that, he can then issue you with a fine for $660 for illegal spruiking. Is that fair? Would YOU pay the fine?
How would you plead? Guilty to the fact? YES. Guilty to the crime of 'spruiking'? You tell me.
Please, tell me.
In This Particular Case You Don't Need To Use That Technique
In this particular case you don't need to use that technique when you can fight it.. Plead guilty to the FACTS isn't really necessary when u can fight them at their own game and win.
Alot of cases can be fought on principal alone as councils are just trying to make money. They scare people into paying by playing on their ignorance. This case could be fought on the evidence alone. What do they have to prove that someone wasn't just talking on the street? Does that mean anytime you see someone in uniform with a menu on the street speaking to people they are guilty of the same crime?
This "law"(without seeing it) could be a direct violation of your common , constitutional, and natural law right to freedom of association.
Most importantly what evidence do they even have?
Can you give some more details about the law for these "infringements" and in which state/council?
To Spruik Or Not To Spruik
Habeas Corpus section 8 is the best defence. By putting a plea you are accepting their jurisdiction in one sense but in another sense a not guilty and a challenge to the legislation that the council rely is a strong notice to the Council that their by-law is in contradiction to the law and therefore has to be treated as VOID. Their own Local Government Act says that. Section 109 of the Commonwealth Constitution is our best back up, please study this section for yourself.
Well I Suggest In Such A Case That They Shouldn't Plead Guilty
Well, I would suggest in such a case that they shouldn't plead guilty to anything, facts or otherwise (since I doubt the penalty notice gives detail as to whether the staff were seen "talking" or "spruiking").
I don't know what the law is regarding "spruiking", nor do I know exactly what happened in this case. However I wouldn't begrudge anyone for raising a defence relying on a dispute over the meaning of "spruking", that's a perfectly legitimate argument.
"Hello George" - Are You Still With Us????? Copy Three
For Anonymous (now sometimes called George), who regularly posts smart-arse comments (loaded with ridicule and abuse) directed at Arthur & Fiona Cristian around the Love For Life website. Here is our reply to everything you have been saying thus far.....
We copy/pasted our reply to another Arthur to save repeating over and over again our intent our focus our direction our dream our determination our vision our plan-of-action, our heartfelt inspired Do No Harm version of reality etc etc...........
Re: What About CON-sciousness - Is It A CON As Well?: 7th July 2009 - 14:35: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6104#comment-1651
Hi Arthur
Scious = is of know of knowledge
Con = is just that - a great big CON
Knowledge = (know-ledge) Know The Ledge and also means "Know the CON"
a) know the ledge, the one that you know not to fall over and down into the bottomless abyss/pit/hell/fiction/fairytale/man-made constructs/illusions/delusions/fantasies etc because if you do not know the ledge then it is more than likely that you will fall down into a state of UNCONSCIOUSNESS
b) know the ledge as in the General Ledger = commerce/accounts/economics which are all fantasy/fiction/illusion/delusion of the fairytale that is The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce - Its all about possession (posses-sion/zion) - its all about inviting in//contracting with demons/thought-forms/entities/apparitions (all owned/copyrighted by "The Crown") which are all man-made CON-structs permitting these demons to possess you, to cloak you.
Yes, its all about the OCCULTS and BLACK-MAGIC.
The fall into a state of UNCONSCIOUSNESS is caused by a shift in focus.
The often talked about coming shift in consciousness for men/women/children is just a shift in focus as well.
That's all it is!
Instead of focusing on (observing, meditating on, contemplating on, attuning to) every conscious-living (the information of every) life-form of creation, inanimate or not, to receive the information (the consciousness) of their creation which expands our information (our consciousness), fallen MAN focuses on man-made con-structs (all imagined/invented out-of-thin-air) and worships them.
MANS brain is just like a film projector; whatever image (thought/idea/feeling/con-struct/information/intelligence) is scanned across the lens HERE AND NOW is being focused on HERE AND NOW, is being projected HERE AND NOW, is bouncing back at MAN (us) HERE AND NOW in the cinema of life (the canvas) in the image/s of our projection/s. The canvas in the cinema of life IS CREATION (IS MANS CREATION) HERE AND NOW and MANS consciousness (the intelligence - the information that IS consciousness) is the scanning, focusing and projections of MANS CREATION HERE AND NOW. We wrote more about this in this comment here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6566#comment-1650
Consciousness and unconsciousness is all about focus; we either focus on the invisible fairytale (all the man-made con-structs) that does not exist, its conscious-living information nowhere to be found in creation, leading us to fall from consciousness, or we focus on the information of creation present in every life form of creation and available for all for free without a fee. NO RULES, REGULATIONS, RITUALS, PROCEDURES, CONDITIONS ATTACHED.
Through "The Crowns" conveyor belt (education system - libraries/history/schools/colleges/universities/media/advertising/Hollywood/TV/Radio/Law/Statutes/Bills etc) running through Factory Planet Earth, also known as The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce, which we call a Fairytale, almost everyone since early childhood has been man-u-factured/processed/braindirtied/brainwashed/conditioned into believing in (focusing on - MOULDING) a fictitious SELF called the PERSON or Strawman, Agent In Commerce, EGO, MIND or IN-DIVIDE-U-ALL (individual) who ACTS in the Fairytale.
We (billions of us/MAN) have never been provided with a pure and sincere based/intentioned FULL-DISCLOSURE of this brainwashing we have had to endure on the conveyor belt to con-struct (the structures of the CON) and MOULD our fictitious PERSON of our own making, of our own free-will, without any mis-under-standing (understanding) or confusion or distraction or deception, so that we ALL truly, fully and clearly comprehend, that we have not only agreed to create a fictitious PERSON-ality for our-SELVES, with costume and title provided, who ACTS as the fictitious PERSON-ality, an impostor of the MAN we really are, but we have also agreed to enter into a fairytale (The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce) for our fictitious PERSON-ality to ACT within it, leaving behind (ignoring) the real MAN we really are.
Our Person is just like a Ken & Barbie Doll we SURVIVE for and this ACTING-PERSON is the intellectual proprietary knowledge PROPERTY of the copy-right (the right of copy) holder. Through brainwashing our ACTING PERSON has contracted to (is possessed by) the demons (the thought-forms - the IMAGES) that are the man-made con-structs (structures of the CON) that are the intellectual property of the copyright holder. Thus we are trained to pay ROYALTIES to the Royal Families of "The Crown" (The Establishment).
By entertaining (renting - acting out) their intellectual property (their ideas copyrighted) we have invited the authorised representatives who administer the affairs of the copyright holder into our lives. We are charged "INTEREST" because they have an INTEREST in our affairs. The representatives of "The Bar", "The Law", "The Courts", "The Government" etc, meddle in our affairs as 3rd party interlopers, intermeddlers, interveners, interceders, etc, because they are the administrators of the copyright holder "THE CROWN". They (police officers, sheriffs, bailiffs, politicians, judges, barristers, lawyers etc etc) ALL look at (worship) "The Crown" (their master). The Beast is the fairytale and Satan is "The Crown" the copyright holder of the fairytale.
This is what CIVILISATION is ALL about; renting the intellectual proprietary knowledge from the copyright holder. All the ideas owned by the copyright holder are FICTION because the IMAGES of each and every CON-struct (the ideas) copyrighted, do not exist as part of creation. They are nowhere to be found. Our senses of creation (sight, sound, touch, taste, feel, smell/scent) cannot engage with them to expand our consciousness because they are ALL DEAD. To con-struct a physical/material form of any of these copyrighted CON-structs requires the total destruction (death) to conscious-living life-forms of creation, inanimate or not and the removal of their consciousness, altering/distorting/manipulating their conscious-living DNA into an artificial-dead dna (form).
By removing the consciousness (the conscious-living information) out of the life-forms of creation they become DEAD-CORPSES and The Crown" governs ONLY DEAD CORPSES. "The Crown" ONLY has jurisdiction over the dead world of dead PERSONS that is civilisation. Everyone involved in this fairytale are insane, deluded and have most definitely lost the plot. This fairytale civilisation is a ship being sailed by a ship of fools. The ship of fictitious Persons is sailing on the high-seas of Admiralty Law and all are doomed, heading very shortly towards total and utter destruction. No one can take on creation and think they can get away with it. They all lose THEIR REAL LIVES no matter the route taken.
The whole infrastructure of the Western World Civilisation of Commerce relies on cleverness, trickery and deception to keep us (CON us) within its boundaries. The Law and those working for the bar and government etc are there to keep us in our place and make sure we do not stray out of our Establishment enclosures, along with other Establishment lackeys whose job it is to ensure that anyone attempting to escape is ridiculed and scapegoated to deter others from doing the same. They tell us that we have to use the law, that there is no other way and that we are idiots and lunatics for attempting to do otherwise.
The Western World Civilisation of Commerce is Apocalyptic By Design because it cannot function without destroying creation (men, women and children).
The only away to escape (step out) the Western World Civilisation of Commerce is for enough of us to come together and refuse to be part of it any more. To stop focusing on its dead images and projecting them. Please read this comment: For All Who Occupy Earth! Petition UN For Family Plots Of Land: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6566#comment-1635 where we explain..................................................
The only remedy is when MAN returns to who we really are; fully conscious gifts of creation (co-creation). When this happens we will no longer support harm doing in any shape or form which means that we will no longer support ANYTHING to do with the Western World Civilisation of Commerce (a fairytale) because it is ONLY about harm doing to reality (the real conscious-living Man, Woman, Child).
When we give up our fictitious SELVES, we will remember who we really are.... the gift of co-creation (OF MAN).
MAN is a servant ------ A fallen man/woman is an addict.
MAN lives (serves - creates gifts) to benefit others (partners, children, families, tribes, villages, communities, nature, earth) of creation.
MAN creating a child is a gift for creation..... an act of love that weaves his/her threads into the wave of creation that rolls on (expands) here and now. An act of love is a gift SET-FREE to benefit others but fictitious selves are incapable of creating acts of love because they are too preoccupied SURVIVING the needs/wants/desires/addictions/greed/selfishness of their fictitious selves.
Kindoms are of the wave of creation.
While we are still addicted to our fictitious SELVES, we will bring our addictions to the Western World Civilisation of Commerce (the program of the high priest and all the myriad of fairytales it offers) with us wherever we go, including into our Kindoms. Meaning... we will continue to destroy the creation (MAN) of the MAN we are each fully responsible to create............................................................
A CON-scious Man or Woman is one who is aware of the CON (of con-structs) and no longer puts their energy/power of creation into it. As we come together as conscious men and women, we will be able to wean ourselves off our fictitious SELVES and the Western World Civilization of Commerce.
CONSCIOUSNESS is a conscious-living MAN/WOMAN who knows-the-ledge and knows not to contract with commerce to become a statistic on "The Crowns" General Ledger. He/She also knows not to fall for (be CONNED by) the man-made knowledge of the fairytale. If we are to become conscious men and women, our task is to become aware of how we are addicted to the Western World Civilisation through our SELVES and begin the process of weaning ourselves while also doing our best to wake up those lost in the fairytale, whether as slaves or administrators of the slaves.
DEFINITION OF CONSCIOUSNESS
Being CONSCIOUS comes with FULL-RESPONSIBILITY because we are responsible for maintaining our focus on conscious-living images of creation and we become irresponsible when our focus wavers away from creation to the fairytale and all the con-structs it offers.
The virtues of love are wide and varied and we all have unlimited access to use them, to co-create our creation of life with them to maintain full-responsibility for our creation of life; sincerity, purity, nurture, inspire, support, give, gifts, care, help, grow, feed, groom, observe, share, guide, protect, empower, confront, truth, sensitivity, empathy, compassion, conscience, etc, etc, without ever DOING HARM to life.
It is impossible to Do Harm when we are co-creating with the virtues of love. Being Fully Responsible means consciously co-creating ONLY with the virtues of love and always saying NO to any form of harm doing, directly or indirectly. When we are focusing on images of fantasy, fiction, illusion, delusion and fairytales, images that are beyond our senses of creation to engage with, images that are without SUBSTANCE (consciousness) embodied, we are putting our energy/power of creation into causing destruction to creation starting with the MAN/WOMAN/CHILD we are fully responsible to co-create.
When we put our focus (our energy/power of creation) into fictitious images like person, ego, mind, individual, fashion, sport, competition, gambling, drugs, alcohol, sex, money, credit, debt, mortgages, loans, subsidies, bills-of-exchange, promissory notes, currency, finance, bonds, insurance, penalties, fines, interest, charges, taxes, licenses, registrations, certificates, contracts, accounts, permits, titles, deeds, invoice, receipts, statements, courts, parliaments, governments, corporations, affidavits, notice of notion, statutes, laws, rules, regulations, rituals, procedures and conditions, etc, etc, thousands and thousands of man-made con-structs, we are projecting destruction to creation (life) because we are propping up (SURVIVING) these dead-corpse images.
We have to do everything for these dead corpses because they are DEAD turning us into slaves which takes us away from our living partners, children, families, friends, communities, nature, world, etc. Dead Corpses can't walk, talk, eat, poo, create, reason, contract, negotiate, move, etc, etc, of their own freewill and this is why we have to put all our energy/power of creation into them so they can appear to have life. And so we have given up our real lives and our real world to prop up a dead one.
With the effort (power of our creation) we each put in on a daily basis collectively, regardless how small or insignificant these dead corpse images might be, be it of paper, plastic, metal, concrete, oil, petroleum, technology, telecommunication, electronics, digital, electricity, gas, fire, soil, plants, water, air, creatures, mathematics, commerce, etc, etc, WE ARE COLLECTIVELY AND GLOBALLY PROJECTING OUR ENERGY/POWER OF CREATION INTO DESTROYING THE LIVING NATURE, THE LIVING EARTH AND THE LIVING MAN until we have consumed it all and nothing remains of us (MAN) to remember who we really are.
We have already written so much more all about this subject as can be found amongst many of the articles we have posted here: A List Of The Latest Arthur And Fiona Cristian Videos, Audios And Articles Posted To The Love For Life Website: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - We also encourage everyone to watch this unedited, informal 2 hour teaser video here: http://www.greengardenearth.com/media/video/loveforlifeinterview.mp4 and listen to this series of podcasts here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511 - We are shortly to post all these podcasts into this YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ArthurLoveForLife
Finally, we have copied/pasted information from this posting: The Rules Of The Divide Constructs Individualism by Arthur & Fiona Cristian 7th May 2009: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6558
Also read
Part One: Let's Choose Real Freedom
The Only Remedy To The Incarceration of Free Men & Women
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
28th April 2009
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511
Part Two: The Rules Of The Divide Constructs Individualism
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
7th May 2009
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6558
Conscious Love Always
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
Arthur Seriously You Aren't Helping Your Case Posting Walls Of.
Arthur, seriously, you aren't helping your case by posting these massive walls of text, mate.
Re: Arthur Seriously You Aren't Helping Your Case Posting......
Dear Anonymous
Refer to this posting: 8th July 2009 13:18 http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6645#comment-1664
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life