Please Help...Final Notice..Warrant by Court hmcs Bailiff

Fri, 06/26/2009 - 10:14 — Swiss Tony

Please Help...Final Notice..Warrant by Court hmcs Bailiff

Dear All,

Sorry if this does not all make sense. I have not been sleeping well since my partner received this Final Notice of warrant.
The letter stated that the Bailiff will come to remove goods for sale to pay the debt.....

What can my partner do?
The debt was to a credit card company which we had sent letters to.

Does anyone have a template that can be sent to the bailiff and court and get this removed?

If someone can help it will be greatly appreciated!
I'm not sure how to proceed?

Many thanks

Swiss Tony

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Mon, 06/29/2009 - 16:48 — Anonymous (not verified)

Well, The Obvious Option

Well, the obvious option would be "pay the debt", but I assume that isn't an option. Alternatively she can apply to the Court to pay by instalments, or if it really comes down to it she can declare bankruptcy as a way of clearing debts.

I'm a long term lurker on this site who rather enjoys the crazy banter, but as a matter of fairness I really can't stand by and let you be given bad advice. Much as this site is filled with posts claiming "I can beat every Court known to man", they're simply rubbish. Most of the law cited is from the USA and doesn't apply here, and doesn't even apply there in a way that remotely resembles what this site claims (seriously, much as it may make you feel clever to think you've found the greatest loophole ever, do you think it's true that you can send someone a 40-page letter demanding they prove they don't owe you $1billion, then rely on it when they don't reply?).

I particularly point out that for all of his claimed expertise Arthur Cristian was declared bankrupt after losing all the way through the Court system. Likewise Fiona Cristian has been disqualified from driving and has had her property seized (forcing her to pay all sorts of fees to get it back) despite all of her attempts to claim that the NSW Sheriff is a Templar/Freemason/Jewish/Space-Lizard plot. Lastly, John Wilson (whose "Legal Maxims" post was actually vaguely informative, even if somewhat misguided in its intent) has been all through the Courts and has likewise lost every challenge he's made to the debts against him, and however much he may claim those losses don't count you can bet the Sheriff will enforce them.

So, honestly, it's up to you. You can try the crazy arguments on this site, only to lose (and lose hard), or you can try to work within the system. I know "the system" has a bad name, especially around these parts, but ask yourself: did your partner in fact buy the groceries/petrol/clothes/whatever that gave rise to the credit card debt? If so, I don't see what's unfair in being asked to pay for them. While I'm sure that Arthur will respond to this post saying "No, Jane didn't buy the goods, JANE did, look how clever I am at arguing about capitalisation", the simple truth is that your partner received goods for which she would have had to pay cash if she didn't have a credit card (since you can bet the store wouldn't have taken a "UCC bond" or whatever else Arthur will claim you could have used), so what's wrong with the credit card provider asking for cash in turn?

Lastly, I acknowledge that I'm going to be flamed to hell for daring make this post on this site, but I make it with a genuine intent to help "Swiss Tony", because I feel it would not be in his interest to follow the advice posted elsewhere on this site. I'm not a member of the Illuminati, the US government, or anything like that. I just can't in good conscience let someone get taken in by what I can only describe as shockingly bad legal advice given out on this site.

Wed, 09/30/2009 - 11:52 — Liam (not verified)

Tell The Credit Card Company That You Will Pay The Full Amount..

Tell the credit card company that you will pay the full amount owing if they send you an itemized bill with the total amount owing, (which they can't because the never lent you anything) and if they lent YOU (money), lol, ask them what the serial numbers were on the notes they sent you.

Tue, 06/30/2009 - 04:15 — Nick (not verified)

Well The Obvious Option

Why don't you just get to the point! So your solution is to OBEY,and PAY! Dimwits/DRONEs like you, are THE problem! They couldn't do it to us w/o mind-controlled, cowards like yourself, who, TBH make me SICK. There is an expression in the 12 Step Program. Who is sicker, the ABUSER, or the one who continues to take the ABUSE? You are obviously the LATTER! I recommend a bureaucratic type position for you, but from your chicken-shit "perspective" you most likely are already in that line of work.

Tue, 06/30/2009 - 03:53 — Swiss Tony

Thank you...

Thank you for your relpy to my question.
We are not in the position to pay, but for many years did.
When we landed on rough times they throw the book at us!
I'm just looking for a way to help her out of this situation.
I do appreciate your reply to my question.
All the best

Wed, 07/08/2009 - 04:41 — miggy (not verified)

I Saw Your Question And Thought I Would Have A Say

I saw your question and thought I would have a say. Similar happened to me recently and it didnt go well but I did make some interesting insights. For several years a private corp called BAYCORP has been alleging that I borrowed money from them and needed to pay it back. In a nutshell, I never borrowed any money from a BAYCORP and asked for a contract or validation of debt. Of course none of this existed. I eventually received a subpoena to Parramatta court. This invitation was only signed by the BAYCORP representative (evidencing BAYCORPS dual capacity in representing parramatta court) and had neither a stamp or seal indicating its official status. I of course refused the invitation and sent it back asking for proof of jurisdiction and signature. I received a Parramatta stamped letter a week later confirming receipt of my letter but no mention of the contents. Several months later I hear from BAYCORP declaring a default judgment had been made against me despite my having their signed stamped response letter. I later received a letter from a private corp SHERIFF, with ABN included demanding a percentage of the debt and the threat to abscond my property. I was informed by parramatta court that my only recourse was to review the registrars decision. On this day the registrar openly refused to discuss jurisdiction of the legitamacy of the document it sent and kept trying to argue BAYCORPS baseless claim.

Note, the only way to argue whether parramatta had jurisdiction was to grant parramatta jurisdiction so they could determine parramattas jurisdiction. Do you still think the courts are honest? This is why your letters are ignored. To force you into this absurd position.

Ill take a break here to mention that already an environment exists which evidences pre agreed contracts between BAYCORP and parramatta court.

The registrar maintained the current order. Possibly due to the fact that magistrates, judges and registrars who find for banks receive a percentage of the argued amount.

Once again to review registrars decision with a magistrate. Day one went well. I asked for the original proof of jurisdiction on which the registrar relied. It never came. The mag kept asking for my defense to BAYCORPS claim. I kept responding that I had no defense to claims without evidence and with no evidence no claim. If they wanted my to mount a defense they would have to provide evidence for me to defend against. I also pointed out the section 9 of the UCC shows that no contract ever existed between the two of us. I also mentioned the private nature of parramatta court. The mag asked if I was a lawyer, i said it didnt pertain to my application. He said yes it does and i said no. Mood change, and I was told to come back next week.

The next week went quickly. The mag cited some sections from the UCC and also stated that he didnt have proof of jurisdiction, he just had it. He said the stamped letter I received was not proof of contact with his court and he then notified his clerks not to respond to anyones letters again. I was also chastised for thinking that Parramatta court is a private corporation although it carries an ABN. And BAYCORP get ten thousand dollars from some little itty bitty guy who never borrowed their money. Now thats justice. I could have argued further and really threw things into turmoil but this is the case, when faced with such overt corruption and magistrates who received their law degrees from the back of cereal boxes, any other argument is futile and pointless. To further argue furthers to validate their "position".

In finish you have to understand that many pre existing contracts exist between the private corporate courts and the banks. You also have to understand that when push comes to shove they will do the overtly corrupt thing as they did to me. My advice, give em hell any way you can because they are dirt and if you dont your spineless.

The only recourse is to accept the judgment, make payments, and file for an appeal. Good luck though they are all on the same team.

After losing ten thousand I never borrowed and two children to family court I absolutely refuse to validate them any longer and most welcome their prison should it come to that. My actions now are to constantly and continually make appointments to see local politicians and basically point out this corruption and their repsonsibility to protect me from it.

Mon, 06/29/2009 - 22:00 — Thomas Anderson (not verified)

Bank Debts

Dear Swiss Tony and Anonymous,

In regards to the banks and debts, the process is quite a simple one to cancel out your loan, however the more difficult area that I have found is getting the opportunity to speak with the right person about it.

In most instances, whether they be credit cards, mortgages or personal loans, you need to ask the bank one basic question:

"Did the Bank actually loan me any of it's OWN money, or did it merely monetise the loan instrument, creating a credit on account through bookkeeping entries that it then used to fund the loan. If it did, that would be an exchange, not a loan, and I did not have full disclosure that I was the source of the funds."

With credit cards it's a little different, but not much, as the initial agreed credit limit is created by your signature on the loan agreement (aka promissory note). However the banks also neglect to mention that they get a receivable from the merchant every time you make a pen or pin transaction, meaning they get credit on account.

The key here is to also ask to see a copy of the T account that created the obligation.

Any court order can be challenged, especially default judgements. What you are challenging is full disclosure. As you may know in contract law, there must be full disclosure, or the contract is null and void.

I use this method all the time with great success, as contracts are everything, wether they be marriage, birth registration, licenses, citizenship, whatever, there is always an underlying contractual obligation, otherwise these people would not be claiming that they can make you perform.

In terms of citizenship, you could challenge lack of full disclosure that you didn't know the Commonwealth of Australia was a man made legal fiction, and not a country, place or physical location.

Getting back to the banks and court, the last thing the banks want is to have to answer the questions about how the obligation was created in front of a magistrate, which is why they are doing what they are doing. They will sell the debt, rather than have to answer, and believe me, I have been trying for 6 months to get an answer for 10 clients, in all the major Australian Banks.

Out of the hundreds of people I have spoken to, bank staff, tellers, call centres, solicitors, lawyers etc, not one of them knew what a T account was (general ledger) and not one of them claimed to have any banking experience.

I agree that in Arthurs case and many other, people are using and relying on documents and methods that have been borrowed from the US, that in my opinion don't work, as they do not properly address the issue. You must always challenge the fraud, not the fiction.

I've read John Wilson's court transcript, and I can see why he gets in trouble. He doesn't listen, and doesn't know the law, and doesn't hear what the Magistrate is really asking. He also enjoins, argues and is usually in contempt.

I've documented a lot more about this in my second book EYES ONLY available on www.theclassifiedfiles.com

Best Wishes
Thomas Anderson

Tue, 06/30/2009 - 03:59 — Swiss Tony

Thank you Mr Thomas Anderson

Thank you for your post Thomas,

I have optained templates for clearing the debts, thanks.

What I really wanted to know was how to deal with the FINAL NOTICE she has received.
It was received on 22 June from hmcs!
If someone can help with this matter it will be greatly appreciated

Thanks again Thomas,
All the best,
Swiss Tony

Tue, 06/30/2009 - 22:05 — Anonymous (not verified)

I'm The Same Anonymous Who Made The Initial Reply

I'm the same anonymous who made the initial reply, and you've asked a fair and direct question, so I'll answer it. (For the record, I do have some experience with these types of matters, though I'd prefer not to disclose my exact profession. Also, I stress that none of this is legal advice, go see a lawyer for that.)

To deal with the "Final Notice" you need to do something that will have the Court stay execution on the judgment that has been entered against your partner (there is clearly a judgment, since if there were not then the Sheriff wouldn't be involved). The ways to get the Court to do this are:
- Apply for an instalment order (so as to allow your partner to pay the judgment off by instalments)
- Apply for a time to pay order (which is a request for enforcement to be put on hold for a fixed period of time, to allow your partner to raise the money required to pay the judgment)
- Apply to set aside the judgment (by denying the existence of the debt)

To do any of the above your partner will need to lodge some documents with the Court in which the judgment was entered (which should be noted on the "Final Notice"). If that Court isn't conveniently located then your closest Local Court will probably be willing to give her the forms and forward them on to the appropriate Court for processing.

I don't think you really need any advice regarding how to apply for an instalment or time to pay order. They're quite straightforward and simply involve providing the Court an explanation of one's capacity to pay.

If your partner wants to set aside the judgment then she will need to provide a sworn statement explaining why she didn't respond to the Statement of Claim that would have been served on her in relation to this debt (it was probably served by post about 2-3 months ago, but if she didn't get it then that's a pretty good reason for not responding in time). She will also have to provide an explanation for the basis on which she disputes her indebtedness. Ideally this should include a draft proposed Defence (the Court will give you the paperwork for this).

If your partner applies to set aside the judgment, the Court's Registrar will review her Affidavit and decide whether it shows a sufficiently coherent defence. If they agree there is a plausible defence then they'll stay enforcement of the debt, which will stop the Sheriff, and then set down a hearing date for a Magistrate to decide whether or not the judgment should in fact be set aside. Alternatively, if they feel the claimed defence is legally hopeless then they'll still list the matter for hearing before a Magistrate, but will not stay execution in the meantime (meaning the Sheriff will proceed with their seizure).

If your partner puts in an Affidavit saying "I don't owe the debt because all banks are frauds and the Australian government is a sham" then I can practically guarantee you that the Registrar is going to consider it hopeless and will not stay execution of the judgment. Further, even if he does, there is no chance in hell that a Magistrate will set aside the judgment on that basis.

I think I've already said my piece on the absurdity of the legal arguments asserted on this site, and stand by what I've already said. All of these arguments have been run a hundred times, and they've lost a hundred times. I'd love to see a single case where a superior court has found debts aren't enforceable merely because they involve payments "on paper" rather than by way of physical money. (Before anyone posts about it, I'm aware of "First National Bank of Montgomery v Jerome Daly" in which a US Justice of the Peace purported to form a Court and find a bank's loan unenforceable. That case was appealed, overturned as being well beyond the power of the Justice of the Peace and incorrect, and Jerome Daly ended up actually being disbarred for his involvement in the proceedings (as evidence, I refer you to the Minnesota State Law Library's page at http://www.lawlibrary.state.mn.us/askfaq.html#credit). Now, whether or not you think the Court should have found that way, the simple reality is that they did, as will every other Court you end up in front of.

To perhaps say something that's going to be less controversial, I think everyone on this site will agree that the legal arguments espoused here are not going to be happily accepted by the Courts or creditors. You will end up throwing a lot of time at this, you will face a lot of hostility from authorities unwilling to accept your arguments, and you will face a lot of expenses and losses, including a very high probability of bankruptcy. If you want to run the arguments advanced around here, I'm never going to be able to stop you, but just be aware of what you're getting yourself into.

Thu, 07/02/2009 - 18:51 — laser (not verified)

Mr Swiss

I have never read so much crapp ...

Did you ever hear of a proof of claim.....

Doesn't matter if you received the money or not....

Show me the proof and do they have first hand knowledge...

And from a debit collector!, well he has no chance unless he can prove the Debit. And He CANT. He is an interloper ... A bottom feeder that prey on less fortunate people...

Maybe you might be one of these Anonymous..

Ask these Guys for proof of claim or bugger off. You want it in personal first hand knowledge. They will not and can not do it. Thomas Anderson is right and so am I. I have been doing this for 20 years.

If this crowd want to take you to court tell them thats perfectly fine with you. For and on record I plead guilty to the well plead facts and I am more than happy to settle any outstanding accounts. Show me the proof of claim.

The Debit collectors will not show because they have no proof and they cannot testify with first hand knowledge of the alleged debit... They are all piss and wind.

Go get the bastards.

And anonymous stop talking through your arse.

Sun, 07/05/2009 - 23:48 — Anonymous (not verified)

Sure, I've Heard Of A "Proof Of Claim"

Sure, I've heard of a "proof of claim", it's a made-up document with no legal significance that is propounded by sites like this. More to the point, I don't think there's any dispute that Swiss Tony's partner signed a credit card agreement and then used the credit card to enter into a series of transactions that included promises of payment of money. For Swiss Tony's partner to now deny that would be simply dishonest, and I consider it highly unethical for everyone here to think it's fine to try to dodge a legitimate debt. If you think I'm wrong, I invite you to provide legal authority evidencing the requirement for a creditor to provide a "proof of claim" within the meaning espoused by this site.

Even if proof were required, there's no obligation on a party to litigation to provide "first hand proof". Business records (in this case, computer records demonstrating the transactions) are more than adequate, particularly given there appears to be no suggestion that they are incorrect.

Also, Swiss Tony never mentioned a debt collector, I don't know where you're getting that bit from.

If you really have been doing this for 20 years, I invite you to provide examples of your mighty victories over your alleged creditors. Otherwise, please stop accusing me of talking out of my arse.

Mon, 08/10/2009 - 13:47 — Anonymous (not verified)

Proof Of Claim

Not only do you ask for a proof of claim, but you also ask for an audit of the equity.

You will also ask for the original contract, signed by two people with signatures in blue ink.

You also ask for full disclosure.

The system is a fraud.

Do you owe the collection agency money?

Can the collection agency get on the stand?

Only living souls can make contracts.

Do you owe the representative money?

Where is the contract?

They are all third party interlopers. Lawyers are third party interlopers too. I write them for the original contract , signed by two living souls and in blue ink. If they cannot produce that then they are third party interlopers and can be charged with fraud and attempted extortion.

I do not hear from them again.

I also have an affidavit for the bank people to sign under penalty of perjury to say they have given full disclosure. They have not. The bank act states that all bills should be marked Consumer Purchase/

There is no money.

Canada is bankrupt.

We have exempt accounts which they will not tell us about.

I wrote the secretary of the treasury asking for a certificate of protest for writing cheques on a closed account. Got letter back from the justice department stating that the secretary has no mandate to discuss this matter and no further action will be taken.

When you get a letter from a lawyer, judge, courthouse, bank police, etc, ask for the legislative law and its implementing regulations that say you must attend.

Google 7th Fire for complete instructions with letters.

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Note: I posted information from the 7th fire website here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6757 which includes the letter to Collection Agency or Attorney

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

Tue, 07/07/2009 - 14:48 — Arthur Cristian

"Hello George" - Are You Still With Us????? Copy One

For Anonymous (now sometimes called George), who regularly posts smart-arse comments (loaded with ridicule and abuse) directed at Arthur & Fiona Cristian around the Love For Life website. Here is our reply to everything you have been saying thus far.....

We copy/pasted our reply to another Arthur to save repeating over and over again our intent our focus our direction our dream our determination our vision our plan-of-action, our heartfelt inspired Do No Harm version of reality etc etc...........

Re: What About CON-sciousness - Is It A CON As Well?: 7th July 2009 - 14:35: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6104#comment-1651

Hi Arthur

Scious = is of know of knowledge

Con = is just that - a great big CON

Knowledge = (know-ledge) Know The Ledge and also means "Know the CON"

a) know the ledge, the one that you know not to fall over and down into the bottomless abyss/pit/hell/fiction/fairytale/man-made constructs/illusions/delusions/fantasies etc because if you do not know the ledge then it is more than likely that you will fall down into a state of UNCONSCIOUSNESS

b) know the ledge as in the General Ledger = commerce/accounts/economics which are all fantasy/fiction/illusion/delusion of the fairytale that is The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce - Its all about possession (posses-sion/zion) - its all about inviting in//contracting with demons/thought-forms/entities/apparitions (all owned/copyrighted by "The Crown") which are all man-made CON-structs permitting these demons to possess you, to cloak you.

Yes, its all about the OCCULTS and BLACK-MAGIC.

The fall into a state of UNCONSCIOUSNESS is caused by a shift in focus.

The often talked about coming shift in consciousness for men/women/children is just a shift in focus as well.

That's all it is!

Instead of focusing on (observing, meditating on, contemplating on, attuning to) every conscious-living (the information of every) life-form of creation, inanimate or not, to receive the information (the consciousness) of their creation which expands our information (our consciousness), fallen MAN focuses on man-made con-structs (all imagined/invented out-of-thin-air) and worships them.

MANS brain is just like a film projector; whatever image (thought/idea/feeling/con-struct/information/intelligence) is scanned across the lens HERE AND NOW is being focused on HERE AND NOW, is being projected HERE AND NOW, is bouncing back at MAN (us) HERE AND NOW in the cinema of life (the canvas) in the image/s of our projection/s. The canvas in the cinema of life IS CREATION (IS MANS CREATION) HERE AND NOW and MANS consciousness (the intelligence - the information that IS consciousness) is the scanning, focusing and projections of MANS CREATION HERE AND NOW. We wrote more about this in this comment here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6566#comment-1650

Consciousness and unconsciousness is all about focus; we either focus on the invisible fairytale (all the man-made con-structs) that does not exist, its conscious-living information nowhere to be found in creation, leading us to fall from consciousness, or we focus on the information of creation present in every life form of creation and available for all for free without a fee. NO RULES, REGULATIONS, RITUALS, PROCEDURES, CONDITIONS ATTACHED.

Through "The Crowns" conveyor belt (education system - libraries/history/schools/colleges/universities/media/advertising/Hollywood/TV/Radio/Law/Statutes/Bills etc) running through Factory Planet Earth, also known as The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce, which we call a Fairytale, almost everyone since early childhood has been man-u-factured/processed/braindirtied/brainwashed/conditioned into believing in (focusing on - MOULDING) a fictitious SELF called the PERSON or Strawman, Agent In Commerce, EGO, MIND or IN-DIVIDE-U-ALL (individual) who ACTS in the Fairytale.

We (billions of us/MAN) have never been provided with a pure and sincere based/intentioned FULL-DISCLOSURE of this brainwashing we have had to endure on the conveyor belt to con-struct (the structures of the CON) and MOULD our fictitious PERSON of our own making, of our own free-will, without any mis-under-standing (understanding) or confusion or distraction or deception, so that we ALL truly, fully and clearly comprehend, that we have not only agreed to create a fictitious PERSON-ality for our-SELVES, with costume and title provided, who ACTS as the fictitious PERSON-ality, an impostor of the MAN we really are, but we have also agreed to enter into a fairytale (The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce) for our fictitious PERSON-ality to ACT within it, leaving behind (ignoring) the real MAN we really are.

Our Person is just like a Ken & Barbie Doll we SURVIVE for and this ACTING-PERSON is the intellectual proprietary knowledge PROPERTY of the copy-right (the right of copy) holder. Through brainwashing our ACTING PERSON has contracted to (is possessed by) the demons (the thought-forms - the IMAGES) that are the man-made con-structs (structures of the CON) that are the intellectual property of the copyright holder. Thus we are trained to pay ROYALTIES to the Royal Families of "The Crown" (The Establishment).

By entertaining (renting - acting out) their intellectual property (their ideas copyrighted) we have invited the authorised representatives who administer the affairs of the copyright holder into our lives. We are charged "INTEREST" because they have an INTEREST in our affairs. The representatives of "The Bar", "The Law", "The Courts", "The Government" etc, meddle in our affairs as 3rd party interlopers, intermeddlers, interveners, interceders, etc, because they are the administrators of the copyright holder "THE CROWN". They (police officers, sheriffs, bailiffs, politicians, judges, barristers, lawyers etc etc) ALL look at (worship) "The Crown" (their master). The Beast is the fairytale and Satan is "The Crown" the copyright holder of the fairytale.

This is what CIVILISATION is ALL about; renting the intellectual proprietary knowledge from the copyright holder. All the ideas owned by the copyright holder are FICTION because the IMAGES of each and every CON-struct (the ideas) copyrighted, do not exist as part of creation. They are nowhere to be found. Our senses of creation (sight, sound, touch, taste, feel, smell/scent) cannot engage with them to expand our consciousness because they are ALL DEAD. To con-struct a physical/material form of any of these copyrighted CON-structs requires the total destruction (death) to conscious-living life-forms of creation, inanimate or not and the removal of their consciousness, altering/distorting/manipulating their conscious-living DNA into an artificial-dead dna (form).

By removing the consciousness (the conscious-living information) out of the life-forms of creation they become DEAD-CORPSES and The Crown" governs ONLY DEAD CORPSES. "The Crown" ONLY has jurisdiction over the dead world of dead PERSONS that is civilisation. Everyone involved in this fairytale are insane, deluded and have most definitely lost the plot. This fairytale civilisation is a ship being sailed by a ship of fools. The ship of fictitious Persons is sailing on the high-seas of Admiralty Law and all are doomed, heading very shortly towards total and utter destruction. No one can take on creation and think they can get away with it. They all lose THEIR REAL LIVES no matter the route taken.

The whole infrastructure of the Western World Civilisation of Commerce relies on cleverness, trickery and deception to keep us (CON us) within its boundaries. The Law and those working for the bar and government etc are there to keep us in our place and make sure we do not stray out of our Establishment enclosures, along with other Establishment lackeys whose job it is to ensure that anyone attempting to escape is ridiculed and scapegoated to deter others from doing the same. They tell us that we have to use the law, that there is no other way and that we are idiots and lunatics for attempting to do otherwise.

The Western World Civilisation of Commerce is Apocalyptic By Design because it cannot function without destroying creation (men, women and children).

The only away to escape (step out) the Western World Civilisation of Commerce is for enough of us to come together and refuse to be part of it any more. To stop focusing on its dead images and projecting them. Please read this comment: For All Who Occupy Earth! Petition UN For Family Plots Of Land: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6566#comment-1635 where we explain..................................................

The only remedy is when MAN returns to who we really are; fully conscious gifts of creation (co-creation). When this happens we will no longer support harm doing in any shape or form which means that we will no longer support ANYTHING to do with the Western World Civilisation of Commerce (a fairytale) because it is ONLY about harm doing to reality (the real conscious-living Man, Woman, Child).

When we give up our fictitious SELVES, we will remember who we really are.... the gift of co-creation (OF MAN).

MAN is a servant ------ A fallen man/woman is an addict.

MAN lives (serves - creates gifts) to benefit others (partners, children, families, tribes, villages, communities, nature, earth) of creation.

MAN creating a child is a gift for creation..... an act of love that weaves his/her threads into the wave of creation that rolls on (expands) here and now. An act of love is a gift SET-FREE to benefit others but fictitious selves are incapable of creating acts of love because they are too preoccupied SURVIVING the needs/wants/desires/addictions/greed/selfishness of their fictitious selves.

Kindoms are of the wave of creation.

While we are still addicted to our fictitious SELVES, we will bring our addictions to the Western World Civilisation of Commerce (the program of the high priest and all the myriad of fairytales it offers) with us wherever we go, including into our Kindoms. Meaning... we will continue to destroy the creation (MAN) of the MAN we are each fully responsible to create............................................................

A CON-scious Man or Woman

is one who is aware of the CON (of con-structs) and no longer puts their energy/power of creation into it. As we come together as conscious men and women, we will be able to wean ourselves off our fictitious SELVES and the Western World Civilization of Commerce.

CONSCIOUSNESS

is a conscious-living MAN/WOMAN who knows-the-ledge and knows not to contract with commerce to become a statistic on "The Crowns" General Ledger. He/She also knows not to fall for (be CONNED by) the man-made knowledge of the fairytale. If we are to become conscious men and women, our task is to become aware of how we are addicted to the Western World Civilisation through our SELVES and begin the process of weaning ourselves while also doing our best to wake up those lost in the fairytale, whether as slaves or administrators of the slaves.

DEFINITION OF CONSCIOUSNESS

Being CONSCIOUS comes with FULL-RESPONSIBILITY because we are responsible for maintaining our focus on conscious-living images of creation and we become irresponsible when our focus wavers away from creation to the fairytale and all the con-structs it offers.

The virtues of love are wide and varied and we all have unlimited access to use them, to co-create our creation of life with them to maintain full-responsibility for our creation of life; sincerity, purity, nurture, inspire, support, give, gifts, care, help, grow, feed, groom, observe, share, guide, protect, empower, confront, truth, sensitivity, empathy, compassion, conscience, etc, etc, without ever DOING HARM to life.

It is impossible to Do Harm when we are co-creating with the virtues of love. Being Fully Responsible means consciously co-creating ONLY with the virtues of love and always saying NO to any form of harm doing, directly or indirectly. When we are focusing on images of fantasy, fiction, illusion, delusion and fairytales, images that are beyond our senses of creation to engage with, images that are without SUBSTANCE (consciousness) embodied, we are putting our energy/power of creation into causing destruction to creation starting with the MAN/WOMAN/CHILD we are fully responsible to co-create.

When we put our focus (our energy/power of creation) into fictitious images like person, ego, mind, individual, fashion, sport, competition, gambling, drugs, alcohol, sex, money, credit, debt, mortgages, loans, subsidies, bills-of-exchange, promissory notes, currency, finance, bonds, insurance, penalties, fines, interest, charges, taxes, licenses, registrations, certificates, contracts, accounts, permits, titles, deeds, invoice, receipts, statements, courts, parliaments, governments, corporations, affidavits, notice of notion, statutes, laws, rules, regulations, rituals, procedures and conditions, etc, etc, thousands and thousands of man-made con-structs, we are projecting destruction to creation (life) because we are propping up (SURVIVING) these dead-corpse images.

We have to do everything for these dead corpses because they are DEAD turning us into slaves which takes us away from our living partners, children, families, friends, communities, nature, world, etc. Dead Corpses can't walk, talk, eat, poo, create, reason, contract, negotiate, move, etc, etc, of their own freewill and this is why we have to put all our energy/power of creation into them so they can appear to have life. And so we have given up our real lives and our real world to prop up a dead one.

With the effort (power of our creation) we each put in on a daily basis collectively, regardless how small or insignificant these dead corpse images might be, be it of paper, plastic, metal, concrete, oil, petroleum, technology, telecommunication, electronics, digital, electricity, gas, fire, soil, plants, water, air, creatures, mathematics, commerce, etc, etc, WE ARE COLLECTIVELY AND GLOBALLY PROJECTING OUR ENERGY/POWER OF CREATION INTO DESTROYING THE LIVING NATURE, THE LIVING EARTH AND THE LIVING MAN until we have consumed it all and nothing remains of us (MAN) to remember who we really are.

We have already written so much more all about this subject as can be found amongst many of the articles we have posted here: A List Of The Latest Arthur And Fiona Cristian Videos, Audios And Articles Posted To The Love For Life Website: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - We also encourage everyone to watch this unedited, informal 2 hour teaser video here: http://www.greengardenearth.com/media/video/loveforlifeinterview.mp4 and listen to this series of podcasts here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511 - We are shortly to post all these podcasts into this YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ArthurLoveForLife

Finally, we have copied/pasted information from this posting: The Rules Of The Divide Constructs Individualism by Arthur & Fiona Cristian 7th May 2009: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6558

This Has To Be One Of The Most Off-Topic Replies I Have Seen....

This has to be one of the most off-topic replies I have seen you make so far, Arthur!

What does that massive wall of text have to do with the topic at hand?

Wed, 07/08/2009 - 13:18 — Arthur Cristian

Re: This Has To Be One Of The Most Off-Topic Replies I Have Seen

Hello Anonymous.
The answer is found in the first two paragraphs..... and the rest is all stated in this reply, in the last three paragraphs below.

The rest is a gift for those determined to awaken from la la land.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur Cristian

PS: The PERSON "ARTHUR CRISTIAN" is not bankrupted because its creator has not signed/authorised any of the offers provided by "The Crown" thus far. If you are so cock sure of your claims, please sign a notarised affidavit under your PERSONS full commercial liability stating that the PERSON ARTHUR CRISTIAN is bankrupt or has been bankrupted and send me a copy to PO Box 1320 Bowral 2576 Australia. From early 2005 onwards has been a massive learning curve for the creator of the MAN Arthur Cristian because the MAN was never provided with FULL-DISCLOSURE.

The posting you claim is off topic is actually right on topic because of what "The Crown" intended. We are unravelling the scam of "The Crown" and all its connections, providing readers with information that should be disclosed to all of us so that we can make our choices. Again, if you are so sure that what we are saying is wrong and we need to stay within the law, send us your signed notarised affidavit under your PERSONS full-commercial liability.

and

The creator of the PERSON "FIONA CRISTIAN" has not completed the journey. When she has arrived at journeys end ALL the documented information (the evidence) will be posted for ALL to see.

By the way, you obviously still aren't reading our work because we never make claims such as the following (cut and pasted from your comment); "despite all of her attempts to claim that the NSW Sheriff is a Templar/Freemason/Jewish/Space-Lizard plot". Anyone with a pure and sincere intent to go where the truth takes them and never argue for a belief just for the sake of protecting it, and who has studied the body of our Love For Life work, will be able to see through your attempts to create controversies where none exist.

By removing the consciousness (the conscious-living information) out of the life-forms of creation they become DEAD-CORPSES and The Crown" governs ONLY DEAD CORPSES. "The Crown" ONLY has jurisdiction over the dead world of dead PERSONS that is civilisation. Everyone involved in this fairytale are insane, deluded and have most definitely lost the plot. This fairytale civilisation is a ship being sailed by a ship of fools. The ship of fictitious Persons is sailing on the high-seas of Admiralty Law are all doomed, heading very shortly towards total and utter destruction. No one can take on creation and think they can get away with it. They all lose THEIR REAL LIVES no matter the route taken.

The Western World Civilisation of Commerce is Apocalyptic By Design because it cannot function without destroying creation (men, women and children).

Thu, 07/09/2009 - 00:12 — George (not verified)

Hi Arthur, I'm The Original "Anonymous" To Whom You Replied

Hi Arthur, I'm the original "Anonymous" to whom you replied. I've adopted your moniker of "George" for myself to distinguish myself from other people using the "Anonymous" name, such as the grandparent of this post. Without intending disrespect I would prefer not to give my real name, since I feel, rightly or wrongly, that it would lead to harassment by users from your site.

I note that the Federal Magistrates Court appears to think it bankrupted you according to (See https://www.comcourts.gov.au/file/Federal/P/SYG3733/2005/3477647/event/2...). I note that this order states a sequestration order (ie a bankruptcy order) is made in relation to "Arthur Cristian", not "ARTHUR CHRISTIAN" or anything else like that (I acknowledge the capitalised name appears in the document heading, but not in the order, and in any event the whole capitalisation argument is rubbish).

I have read your site, and am familiar with your arguments, which I find it fascinating. To clarify, when I say "fascinating" I don't mean I agree with a word of it, I honestly think it's rubbish, I just find it entertaining to see how people can possibly believe any of this.

In any event, I invite you to provide legal authority to demonstrate that a capitalised name does not identify the same entity as an uncaptalised name. When I say this, I don't mean "give me a link to another site that agrees with you", since anyone can put a site up saying anything. Instead, since you appear to claim it's a recognised legal truth I invite you to provide a link to an example of its recognition in a Court (since a "legal truth" with no recognition in a Court simply isn't a legal truth, at least for all practical purposes).

Sun, 07/12/2009 - 21:28 — Anonymous (not verified)

Hi Arthur, I'm The Original "Anonymous" To Whom You Replied

I think it is all rubbish, too. Arthur, do cows consciously co-create their reality? If so, why don't they co-create themselves out of the abattoirs and into cow controlled pastures? If Man co-creates his reality, why the f... don't you get with the program and start helping us co-create what we are trying to co-create - you are constantly pushing those vibes out there into the nether-sphere that are the polar opposite of ours. Man, can't you just get along with the rest of us?

Tue, 07/28/2009 - 08:57 — freemanayres

Legal/Illegal v Lawful/Unlawful

Legal/Illegal = fiction, contract, civil, PERSON as defined in the Crimes act 1961 of New Zealand and I guess all other common Wealth corporations (sorry countries) of the CROWN (12-14 blokes in the City of London)

Crimes Act 1961
person, owner, and other words and expressions of the like
kind, include the Crown and any public body or local authority,
and any board, society, or company, and any other body of
persons, whether incorporated or not, and the inhabitants of
the district of any local authority, in relation to such acts and
things as it or they are capable of doing or owning

Note no mention of a man, woman or Human Being. My question is for all those outside NZ to go check the related acts in your land mass and see if they also define Person in a similar manner, they will of course!

lawful/unlawful = real, substance, maxims based upon common law and common sense, human beings, man.

Plus - yes there is more - every language must have a dictionary so as to define the meaning of the words. English has the Oxford English Dictionary Legalese has numerous legal dictionary's thus it is a different language.

I can here "George" now. Rubbish. a PERSON is a Human Being. If that is so (and this is just one example of so many) why in the legal dictionaries do they mostly use the word PERSON as do the ACTS mostly, but on describing Murder the say the unlawful taking of a human beings life?

Why do they use the word PERSON in the Crimes Acts mostly, but then change it to everyone when referring to anything of real substance such as murder. Everyone meaning all men.

But that is all fiction anyway. We know what is right and wrong do we not? But "George" will cry - but you signed an agreement and "bought" the goods. With what "George"? There is NO Lawful money backed by anything of any substance. There is only legal tender which is a financial instrument called a "promissory note". A promise to pay at some future time. With what? Exactly. Another promissory note. So please do not take the high ground when you are either a trouble maker or your brain refuses to accept the fiction that is NOT money. Only credit and debit which is ALL promissory notes and if they can continue to promise to pay then so can we right?

If you want to solve your problems (original thread) of final notices you need to educate quick and notice them of your conditional acceptance upon proof of claim and jurisdiction. You may be too late at this point.

I suggest you read the following

Thomas Andersons - The Classified Files
http://www.zoozle.org/dl.php?goto=http://www.torrentreactor.net/torrents...

Freedom is more than a 7 letter word by the Great Victoria of the Chapman Family (this deals with court too)

http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/freedom-is-more-than-just-a-7...

How to get out of debt

http://www.fmotl.com/HowToGetOutOfDebt.htm

The loans scam

http://www.fmotl.com/LoansScam.htm

and absolutely John Harris's talk here

http://www.tpuc.org/content/john-harris-its-illusion-2-bcg-conference

I close with an analogy.

If you have been told that blue is actually red ever since you were born, and so has everyone else, then when you begin to find out that blue actually might (is blue) and not red, every cell in your body initially will fight it. But blue is still blue. Once you see this everything else changes too.

Gandhi said" a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it is the truth, just as a truth is always the truth even if everyone believes it to be a lie". He new -as do so many more now - that we have been lied to absolutely!

Much love

freemanayres

Fri, 07/31/2009 - 14:59 — AP (not verified)

Misuse Of Legal Dictionaries

This is a note for both freemanayres and Arthur, and anyone else on this website who consistently use legal dictionaries to back up their arguments.

Words in statutes are not, and should never be, interpreted using a legal dictionary. Judges don't purport to do so, legislators don't purport to do so, neither should you. A statute in Australia is written in English (regardless of your suggestion as to legalese - having a dictionary does not mean its a different language. Most professions have a special 'dictionary' available to them), and is interpreted using a number of methods, not including legal dictionaries. You first look at (1) the definition in the legislation and (2) a normal, English dictionary. Most of the time, this is all that is needed. A legal dictionary is a secondary aid, not primary - it simply is an author setting out common interpretations of a word - it is not law, it is not providing an exhaustive definition of an English word, but what courts might say in the past. More importantly, it usually lists an authority it is based on SO THAT YOU CAN LOOK UP THAT AUTHORITY AND UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT! Lawyers then look up the case and the context. A legal dictionary is just a referral, not a meaning that judges will follow.

Whilst on the topic, the word 'includes' in a statutory definition does not in anyway mean that it is an exhaustive definition implying the exclusion of other words. "Expressio unius est exclusio alterius" is not a rule of general application, so stop applying it like it is. A range of cases show that it is rarely, rarely applied, and certainly not in the way that 'includes' is used in the context of most modern statutes.

If you feel like making a legal argument, based on the law, please take a little more care to get it right, and go exchange your law dictionary for a book on statutory interpretation - it will be far more valuable to you.

Sun, 08/02/2009 - 00:43 — Anonymous (not verified)

Misuse Of Legal Dictionaries

Exactly - when are you "freemen" going to wake up????? When in "their" jurisdiction, words mean what "they" say they mean!!!! It is TOTALLY RIDICULOUS to argue that you are not a "person" - that a "person" is a corporation, etc. To be "free" (sovereign) you must be intelligent, be educated and have the courage and volition to act on what you know. So, learn how to read and write you morons! Do some research for yourselves and stop accepting everything that you read that conforms to what you want to 'believe'. Can you write a sentence in 'now' time that expresses a single idea and that can be read forwards and backwards? Mathematics is the manipulation of symbols that 'reflect' reality and mathematical equations must conform to this - what makes anyone think that language shouldn't do exactly the same??? Laziness?? Stupidity??? You don't deserve to be sovereign! You are all morons!!!

Sat, 08/01/2009 - 21:55 — CreatedcoCreator (not verified)

There Is Light!

A reliable authority once said "You will know the truth and the truth will set you free," and...."every doer of sin is a slave of sin".
He also later said, "the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." Let each one choose according to his/her disposition.
You decide.

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Today, a representative of the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies is threatening to close the website down, because they have decided it is anti - Jewish and that we promote racism. What has the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies done to end the suffering in the world? Can they show that they are concerned with the suffering of ALL men, women and children AND ARE SEEN TO BE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT or are they only concerned with Jewish affairs? If so, they, along with all the other religions that only care for their own, are part of the problem, not part of the solution. The man who rang Arthur today was only concerned with Jewish affairs; he was not interested in our intentions or in anybody else, just as most Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Catholics, etc, are only interested in their own. While we separate ourselves into groups, dividing ourselves from others with rules, regulations, rituals, procedures and conditions, we will never solve our problems.

No matter what we in the Western World Civilisation of Commerce have been promised by our politicians, religious leaders, scientists, educators, philosophers, etc, for the past two hundred years, all we have seen is ever-increasing destruction of men, women and children and the earth. None of the so-called experts and leaders we have been taught to rely on are coming up with a solution and none of them are taking full-responsibility for the fact that they can't handle the problem. All religious books talk about end times full of destruction and suffering but why do we have to follow this program when there is an alternative to hatred, mayhem and death? Why are our leaders following the program of destruction and death rather than exploring the alternatives? It seems that any mainstream politician, priest or academic are only interested in supporting the RULES OF THE DIVIDE, that maintain the haves and the have nots. For 200+ years, 99% of the world population have been so trained to pass on their responsibility for themselves, others and the earth, that the 1% of the population that make up the leaders of the rest of us are making all the decisions leading to the destruction of all of us and the earth. Let's not forget the education system that brainwashes the 99% of the population that we are free and have equal rights while, in fact, we are feathering the nests of those at the top.

At the root of all our problems is self-centredness, an unwillingness nurtured by the Establishment that keeps us concerned only with our own needs rather than the needs of others around us and the Earth. Instead of creating and releasing acts of love for those around us as gifts to benefit them and the earth, we take, take and take, until there is nothing left. The whole point of the Love for Life website is to show people the root of all our problems and to share the remedy. The extensive research library is there to attract browsers and to provide access to information not available through mainstream channels. If the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies can, after careful examination of our work, prove that anything we are saying is wrong, we will be happy to accept their proof. If they cannot, and they are still insistent on closing the website down, they will be showing themselves to be traitors to MAN because they are not interested in pursuing any avenue that can end the suffering in the world.

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If we truly want peace on earth and freedom for all, we have to let go of all that which keeps us divided, and come together as MAN, conscious living co-creators of creation. The Love For Life website offers a remedy to the problems we all face in the form of DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3641 For more details see here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - We also highly recommend that everyone read the brilliant Russian books called The Ringing Cedars: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1125 - The Love For Life homepage/front-page also provides lots of inspiring remedy based information: http://loveforlife.com.au - If you want to be kept up to date with our work please register to the Love For Life mailing list here: http://loveforlife.com.au/campaign_list We usually send two postings per month. Presently there are over 5000 registrations reaching over 200,000 readers globally. The website now receives over 2 million strikes per month with June 2009 heading close to (or over) 3 million strikes.

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