New World Order - Conversation Taken From The Ringing Cedars rEvolution Website Involving Arthur & Fiona Cristian 13th May 2009

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The New World Order: Conversation Taken From The Ringing Cedars rEvolution Website See: Lots of reference material to Anastasia, Vladimir Megre and The Ringing Cedars books occur in this discussion. To learn more about these fantastic, brilliant books please go here: The Ringing Cedars By Vladimir Megre: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1125

Last Updated 19th May 2009 12.27am

The New World Order

Posted by Kev Carsick on 13 May 2009 at 6:31am

Have you lot heard of this term? and what it means?

Its basically a plan by those in power to depopulate the earth by at least 80% and gain complete control over the future. Its been going for more than 100 years. The world hasn't become so messy by mistake. I'm not just someone that's got carried away with silly internet conspiracies, millions all over the world are now awake to this and its growing everyday. A lot of you reading this MUST all ready know of this, its hard to miss among our side of society, so many are crying out to get the people to listen.

I don't even know whether i want to post about it on these forums because its so negative and such clash with the Anastasia frame of mind but i see the Anastasia movement as a cure to this, an inevitable reaction and for me they are two complete opposites that perfectly tie together. Some of the things these people are doing/ are planning to do and have done to us sound so ridiculous I don't even want to bring them up just yet, I could blab on about it for a long time but ill do that another time once i see peoples response.

This is one of my favourite clips , not the most informative at all but the realness makes me hairs stand up. only 10 mins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpFu_bYkomc

This is a documentary that will explain it all, it's a must see, answers a lot of questions as to why the world is the way it is.

It is 2 hours 20 mins long though: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4583630379439989634

or there's many forums like www.davidicke.com/forum

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Reply by Kali Neilson

Well Kev.. I understand you and I send you the brightest thoughts and the warmest hug you can imagine.

I may say things you already know in my reply here- but this is an act of consciousness within the presence of what your thoughts have brought to my own awareness in this moment. Ie - Light v's dark.. to balance.

....... this NWO is just a continuation of what has been going on for thousands of years and is nothing new. Just packaged in a contemporary way. To me this is all archaic now and a thing of the past when humans learned not to give their precious energy away to images..

The only reason the energy has been available to perpetuate this illusion is that our ancestors made a mistake in the past (as Anastasia explains) and now we are remedying the situation by NOT GIVING IT ANY ENERGY. And returning our attention, thoughts, consciousness and energy to CREATION = LIFE, NATURE, LOVE , EACH OTHER.

This NWO is an illusion (a man-made image) that is not of Creation - and as we now return our whole selves to the bosom of creation, the human energy that has previously perpetuated this madness is not available...

and so the "OLD WORLD ORDER" is crumbling as Creation asserts itself in its fullest divine power - through US and BY our consciousness. While the image asserts itself as an image of the Future - we assert our bright thoughts of compassion as the image as a thing of the Past - (as in the movie THE GREEN BEAUTIFUL).

This is why we have to come back to nature, eat natural food, live in natural homes, and basically become Natural people again - for by the image, its drugs, the artificial food and medicines, the toys, technology, media, the materialism, the policies, the WORLD ORDER etc..the human is caught in a web and the image can only keep unconscious humans in its web. (Dark cannot persist where there is light)

You can see a very real and disturbing manifestation of this IMAGE for humans when you watch the Video - 'Birth as we know it' on this site - and see and feel the difference between a natural birth and a c-section birth by doctors in masks with implements... This is as graphic as it can get and as close to 'home' as is humanly possible. What SANE human would choose this entry to the world? I'd say "Put me back in - I'm out of here..." I understand the hairs on your neck - I want to vomit and cry all at once when I see footage of surgical births in hospitals.

You see - By our feelings we know we are ALIVE, and because we are conscious of being A-LIVE we know we are loved by all of Creation for then we are conscious of being LIFE itself.

The image wants us to keep doing the things that cause us to not FEEL, to be dumbed down, half numb and only slightly conscious - just enough to do the work of the image. (Sheeple - Arthur calls this) If something continually disturbs us or stresses us in an ongoing way - we have to shut down our 'Feeling' to cope and survive. This is where we lose our freedom and the truth of who we are. And the effect compounds over generations in the DNA of each successive generations. This is what this Revolution is about - taking back our divine ALIVENESS and giving nothing to nothing that would have us be less ALIVE than we were born to be. We do this for our children and future generations so that they may be BORN FREE.

Kev - we change the world and the balance of power (energy) by taking full responsibility for our thoughts, words and deeds. this is no esoteric wish. It is the REALITY of being human with consciousness -

where are attention GOES Energy flows.

Therefore - this is how I myself deal with this energy while it still persists upon the planet as an example:

I am aware of it. But I give it none of my energy - and very purposefully too...
" you shall have none of my divine thoughts and moments for your game"
and "I see you and your suffering and one day you shall awake too."
And "you are also loved as I am and you are my brothers and sisters."

By our consciously chosen thoughts of... Namaste (East India, In'Lakesh Ala K'in (Mayan), Mitakye Oyasin (Lakota) - all meaning We are ONE, the Spirit of you honours the Spirit of Me, We are all related ... We ignite the flame in clouded hearts who still give their energy to these illusions. When all the hearts have joined again as one - the light of humanity is brighter than the sun and no darkness such as this can exist on this planet. Ever Again.

Keep Reading the Books and take care of YOUR-SELF and mind what you ingest into your mind and body- and then read all the books again, and again - it moves deeper within your psyche and then when your thinking has truly changed the physical universe must reflect your thoughts - as it always does in Perfection.

We are the ONES. ALL OF US.

We must return ALL of our energy to creation and then let NATURE take its course..

AMEN and A'ho,

Mitakyue Oyasin
Kali

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Reply by Mike Delcavo

Kali,

I like what you have to say about much of what you have to say about the new world order. I also like Mitakyue Oyasin. *smile*

I am left with a few things though. So we are all god like. We are able to create with our thought and even more with our WORD. If we connect to our word and even our letters we can create reality. We can give merit to what we pay attention to.

But people havent been paying attention to the people in power and they have been existing anyway. They have been able to keep themselves a secret for a long time and they still exist. So I agree that light can drive away darkness but what about we darkness is infiltrating and you dont know about it?

The Pinneal Gland in the Brain might be the most important piece of our body. Used as the third eye. Yet we have been taking in Flouride and damaging it for a long time. It is being done intentionally. People dont know about it, yet it exists.

It seems to me we need to recognize what is, not just ignore it!

Thanks for the posts and the conversation...I think it is an important one Kev.

- Mike

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Reply by Kali Neilson

Thanks Mike - I hear you .. I'll re-emphasize the point of Awareness versus ignorance:

when I/we/us consciously declare:

" I am aware of you (dark energy/NWO/etc) but I will give you none of my divine precious energy or my moments, or my children, or my body, in ANY way." its a conscious boycott.

We are acknowledging what is, but co-creating in that moment a conscious response to that ENERGY.

It is a very subtle thing to be fully aware of something, anything, and be fully conscious that you give it none of your energy. You are letting it know you see it for what it is. Anastasia talks a lot about this.

This act re-instates us as the powerful forces of Creation that WE ARE.

and also as simple as saying to the waiter - "those are lovely deserts but I will pass, thank you.. "

And in this NWO case, by seeing something as the archaic, limited, separated energy that it is , you are being very pro-active in thwarting its own projection into the/your/our future and instead project your own divine thoughts of co-creation into that future or Taking up the space of the future with your own divine thoughts of creation - which are in fact not an individual phenomenon but a collective one.. way of the peaceful WARRIOR you could say..

Like I said - the net can only trap the unconscious - I for example have access to the same amount of information as any other western person and I do not take in flouride or allow my children to be exposed to such poisons. The difference being I take absolute responsibility for myself and my kin. It is not the myriad external circumstances that we need to worry about - there are too many to do that anyway - its the thinking or lack of consciousness that puts us in the web of those who would keep us there for their own purposes. When we wake up - we cannot abide those lower vibration circumstances nor can we give them any energy. JEsus said something like "I cannot give of what I do not carry."

this is where the energy of love comes in and we take responsibility for helping ALL our kin...

"When we begin to function within the laws of nature and not just by our own laws, we become co-creators with the universe. As humankind
embraces its undeniable connection to the source of its existence, it will find again that sacred reverence for life itself that poets, prophets and
sages have reminded us of for so long.

As we realise what a powerful force upon the world we are and that we each have the decision and responsibility to do good or ill by that which
we share with all else on the planet, it will once again become inconceivable to destroy, even in the slightest, the very thing that granted us life in the first place.

And then we shall become one with that which we already are - the web of LIFE."

When I connect with a person first I receive their presence in reverence (NAMASTE) then I care for their wellbeing as their wellbeing is my own and then I enquire (energetically) as to how far in the web of illusion they still are (in their thinking) and how far in do I need to reach to lend them my own hand to pull them out.

I wait not for a change of govt, a NWO, a guru, a policy or any thing else.

And one by one we lift each other into the light and with creation on our side the darkness of agenda can but fade into a distant memory...

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Reply by Kristin Schneide

A beautiful response to an old problem, I support this approach in every way.
In love and light
Kristin

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Reply by Ben Vartuli

I also have a similar perspective to Kali on this one. For eons humanity has had wet blankets and dirty towels thrown on it in ways that have exploited our tremendous innocence and trust and gullibility too. While the NWO was very powerful it is the end of it's time now. I think it's great, Kev, that you have been trawling the internet for the truth, I was into that material too when things looked more dire before Obama was elected. I believe very strongly, well I want to, that he is a high level being with higher help also. There's a website called 'Welcome the light' which recently has given me hope that things are turning the corner for the better. It may help balance the view up for people who have been alarmed by the work revealed by David Icke and such. I feel his work has been so crucial in educating us about the ways of the black hats but there's a feeling now that the game is over for them as they face indictment for their crimes.

There is hope that a new economic system may come into place called NESARA, it is backed by gold, silver and platinum instead of the privately owned bills of the elite and has the potential to create a world that works for everyone by redistributing the stolen wealth to the people potentially making everyone a millionaire and drastically reducing the costs of things so that we can finally stop struggling and hurting one another in myriad forms. I want to believe that it will come true over the next 3 years, it can't hurt to! Yes lets pull our attention from the doomsday scenario and onto the co creation of a world that works for everyone. I got that phrase from listening to Jean Houston whose work with re-establishing the importance of cultural mythology and social artistry has captivated part of me at the moment. She is very inspiring and is doing similar work to Anastasia books in re establishing cultural ways of learning and establishing wisdom so that it can't be lost again.

So once the black hats are out of the way and NESARA comes in we may all find it easier to create our communities not that we can't start now but I just wanted to get a bright coloured ball rolling around, even if it's just words on a screen. Once everyone's breathing a bit easier then I hope the Galactic Presence will be unveiled , that would really make my day.

And I hope Kali, Kev and everyone here has a great day. Thank you Kev, so much for starting this discussion, I enjoyed having a little rave.

Here is a video that helped my sense of wonder about us, the Hubble deep field with an excellent narration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgg2tpUVbXQ

Ben

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Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian

Dear Kali,
It's great that the recent conversations we have had between us have been so inspiring for both of us, as reflected in the work of each of us.

My response to your posting...

Neither the creator nor Anastasia will ever interfere with the choices of any of us. This means that, while many of us are waking up to the insanity of the system we live under and are eager to take on the responsibility of healing the damage, we have to remember that probably 99% of the population are still unconsciously supporting the system through their negative-destructive insincere and impure thoughts, feelings, words and deeds.

The Earth (the present creation of Earth) is the result of all our (MANS) accumulated feelings and thoughts and what we give out bounces back to us. In the end, if enough of us don't take full-responsibility for cleansing the earth of all our selfish thoughts, words and deeds, the earth (MAN) will be forced to cleanse herself/himself through what we call the "Earth's Fever" (MANS FEVER).

When our bodies are sick they cleanse themselves with fevers, vomiting, diarrhea, belching, farting, shaking and writhing around. This is what the Earth (MAN) will do. Tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanoes, lands rising and sinking, 300+mph winds, a shift in the earth's axis ... all hell will break loose. Remember: Earth is the collective result of MANS thinking, feeling and deeds. There is no separation between MAN & MAN and between MAN and EARTH etc.

The dark side (the unconscious who put their energy/their power of creation/their thinking/feelings and thoughts into fiction/fairytales) know about this which is why they are building their underground bases in the false belief that they will be safe. What they don't realise (remember) is that their darkness will draw the cleansing to them wherever they are! All their aboveground and below ground bases ARE TOMBS.

Remember: the dark-side "as Ancient Egypt" travelled the earth spreading its civilisation of commerce (of unconsciousness/of destruction to creation) resulting in the last earth/Man fever roughly 3600 years ago when all civilisations on earth were destroyed/wiped out and billions of MAN died underneath the 4000 foot tsunamis rolling inland up to 400 miles, 300+ miles per hour winds, hurricanes, storms, cyclones, tornadoes coming and going for weeks on end, the earth moved (the sun goes around the earth & the earth normally does not move), many lands rose up from the sea while many others sunk and darkness blanketed the earth during the time dust and particles spewed up from hundreds/thousands of earthquakes/volcanoes erupting, many in unexpected places, to blanket the atmosphere. In some locations the dust/particles blocked out the sun for up to 12 months.

Back then MAN had already created UFO's/spaceships, TV, Radio, Media, science, engineering, technology, telecommunication, computers, cars, genetic manipulation in the form of many disfigured dinosaurs, men, women, children and abominable mixtures of man, creatures and biology. We call this the 1st coming of Ancient Egypt's civilisation of commerce. Today, we live in the second coming of Ancient Egypt's civilisation of commerce. The High Priests never learnt their lessons the 1st time. No one can take on creation and think they can win! Only creation (consciousness) exists. All fiction is a fairytale.

The technology, science, engineering feats and genetic manipulation/mutations of Ancient Egypt's 1st coming are now being used in the second coming, much of this awful man-made knowledge (fairytales) is kept secret from 99.99% of the global population to be used against us. What we don't know is what is being used against us. The science etc the fruitcakes have in their possession is up to 100 years in advance of what the general public has been led to believe exist or is possible today.

Many have been studying the phenomenon known as Planet X, a giant celestial body that passes through the earth's atmosphere "supposedly" every 3600 years. Everything we see in space moving is going around the EARTH (AROUND MAN).

MANS insincere and impure thoughts, feelings and deeds created Planet X/Nibiru. Last time it came roughly 3600 years ago it caused total destruction. We have realised that Planet X is the accumulation of all the dark thoughts, feelings and deeds of MAN that will bounce back to us (MAN) if we don't change our ways.

Remember, we create everything that we experience, just as we created the planet where Anastasia took Vladimir, a desolate place full of robot like "men" and "women" Our (MANS) projections did that. Too often we forget the power of our thought. That planet/world is Planet X. We (MAN) unconsciously created that world without consciousness embodied. Its on its way back again.

Every man, woman and child who dies without creating the substance/the body of consciousness (filling their dream/their creation of a space of love with consciousness) embodied has created a phantom, a ghost, a demon, an apparition, an echo, a shadow, an opposite of MANS consciousness, an energy without the purity and sincerity of love (co-creation) embodied.

Creation is all there is so these phantoms are still in creation and so they and their dark energy .. ARE THE CREATION OF THOSE ALIENS ON PLANET X. They are the toxins created in our (MANS) image bouncing back to us (MAN) in our image/projections.

Nothing MAN creates can escape creation, instead all impure, insincere, negative-destructive thoughts, feelings and deeds congregate (centralise) in creation as do the toxins in a diseased body of man. When all of MAN stops putting his/her energy into these fictions/fairytales (thoughts/ideas without consciousness/co-creation embodied) only then will the DARK-SIDE fade away and be no more. All the attacks of dark-energy used against Anastasia by the High Priest are these demons without consciousness embodied.

Until we each have fully awoken to consciousness we have each contributed to the growth and power of the dark-side by the energy/our power of creation that we have put into every insincere and impure thought and feeling and system fallen men, women and children have created. We are each responsible to go back and clean up all the mess we have each created. No one else can do this for us, not even the creator or Anastasia can do this for us.

Do you comprehend this???????

Those studying Planet X say that it could arrive around 2012 but we feel it could come sooner (2010/2011) if the dark side (the lost) keep accelerating their plans for more overt domination. It could be only 6 months or one or two years away.

A Kindom by the beach sounds fantastic and would certainly be our dream if it weren't for the fact that we want to be high enough to miss the Tsunamis! Remember: everyman has the creators right to create his/her experience. Unfortunately the collective of the dark-side is still very very very strong in its fruition of creating its projections.

There are no privileges or exclusivity between MAN. We are all affected by what everyone else is doing. Anastasia may have stopped the High Priest (by inspiring him to do so - THE HIGH PRIEST STOPPED HIMSELF), the cause of the evil dark-side program, but the program is so set in place that it keeps rolling along whether it's founder is involved or not. Like a horror movie where the machines take over, the wheels keep turning and the cogs keep whirring.

The dark side have technology beyond our wildest imaginings, the results of their power of thought. Through the Reagan Star Wars laser satellites and HAARP programs, their use of Tesla technology and Chemtrails, they have the ability to cause Tsunamis and earthquakes, not to mention dissolve any of us at will! Lets not forget their nuclear HAARP bomb Tsunami that devastated many parts of Asia & Africa a few years ago. They have had this technology since the 1940s/50s, the time of the Philadelphia Experiment. They (the lost-the dead) are at war with us (the living). We (the conscious) are not at war with them because we send them (the dead) love and an open invitation to return to the living any time they wish but they are at war with us.

Therefore, we must respect the power of the dark side and the insanity that they are capable of. This does not mean spending all our time focusing on them, just using our brains and thinking strategically. In other words, we should be creating our Kindoms in places where we will be safe from Tsunamis and in areas where they will not want to cause destruction, i.e. here in the Southern Highlands where the creator of creation inspired us to create one, deep in the wasps nest where many of the NWO agenda fleeing Europe and America etc have their havens!

A healthy body is a healthy thought, is a healthy feeling, is a healthy dream when he/she directs his/her purity and sincerity directly to where the toxins congregate, transmuting (inspiring) the toxins back into the consciousness of co-creation. The opposite of co-creation is destruction (toxins, disease, harm etc).

Fiona and I are totally focused and devoted on cleaning up all the mess we have each created during the many many years we lived unconsciously. We are also focused on cleaning up the energy of those who messed with our thinking and feelings during our formative years. How else can we bring a true everlasting peace on EARTH if MAN is not at peace with his/her thinking and feelings.

Until we have turned the nasty-evil program off, we have to be mindful of their plans when we are making our choices.

When we dream of creating our Kindoms, we have to remember that we are not yet in a world where we are free to go to whatever beautiful part of creation we choose. When we do this, we are not taking responsibility for our part of the mess and we are leaving the clean-up job to others. Until we clean up the mess, we are still drawing in Planet X. Just as "your past comes back to haunt you" if you haven't cleaned it up, so will our mess. Use your brain, think things through and work out where the best strategic place is to help with switching off the program and building the rock-solid foundations for ALL our Kindoms.

This is why we are in the Southern Highlands. Otherwise, we would probably be somewhere a bit warmer and nearer to the beach! Anastasia can live in and enjoy the pristine Taiga because she has never caused any destruction on the earth. Her whole life has been in a pristine, pure and sincere place because of the purity and sincerity of her parents who never exposed her to any impure or insincere thoughts, feelings or environment. She cannot do the clean up job for us, even though her heart pours out to us and she tries to inspire us in whatever way she can. Notice how she regularly "cleans up" Vladimir, only for him to reinfect himself through the bad habits he is not yet willing to give up. He is still not taking full-responsibility for those areas of his life. (No disrespect to him intended and he has certainly cleaned up a lot!)

While we don't clean up all the mess we have each created while being unconscious we are still part of the dark-side!

And the pull of the dark-side will catch you/anyone out no matter where you are in creation.

No Kindom is safe while its members have ties to the dark-side!

Like Anastasia, we have to inspire one another to come together and clean up the mess, not escape it by running off somewhere beautiful. This is how we stop the fever. We have to be such an inspiration to the lost that they too want to clean up their mess. It is in the changing of their feelings and thinking that we stop the earth's fever. We have to enter the dead world that we have been part of in order to change it.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
www.loveforlife.com.au
action @ loveforlife.com.au

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Reply by Kali Neilson

Dear Arthur, I do so enjoy these discussions when they push to the edge like this..

I do comprehend and understand everything you are saying - but I can tell you honestly that I believe we are past this because of what my 'feelings' tell me. I cant explain them in rational terms but I have learned to trust them absolutely because they arise from a place where no fear exists.. and I can now easily recognise only two feelings underlying all others - fear and love. And I know that Fear is an illusion because it is not of Creation and therefore has no power over MAN. It is only that the fallen man believes it does, that it continues to do so. It is Sheer Illusion - that fallen man has manifested physically by his thought.

The rational mind will comprehend an impending threat due to a majority-rules program of thinking but this too is an illusion. The Sheeple are not in their own power using the power of an image so they cant be included in the balance of power. The duel is in the power of the image. The image that is in the image of God will win - She is winning. Anastasia has called us to our power to remember our power to also create in the image of God/Creation. This is what is playing out and I FEEL THE LOVE ON THE PLANET - the Earth is responding, things are changing, people are waking up at a huge rate.

The other is weak, desperate and without an image. Like a middle-aged footballer who still thinks he's in his prime and shows no grace or wisdom, just looks like a fool. I have foreseen the suits and ties sitting on the ground, cradling their legs in their arms and rocking back and forward, like children without a mother, and hoping that someone will have the grace to show them how to survive.

Thats how it is for me, anyhow.

Anastasia would be happy for this discussion, I am sure.

Peace Brother..

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Reply by Radomir O Hanok

Kali,
I truly love your beautiful soul. You are one of my dearest sister. Thank you for your inspirations in contemplations of Love, light and holding fast to the Fathers heart. Truly you are a kindred heart.
Viole'ouy
Radomir

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Reply by Serena Hoke

Kali.......you have spoke as a true Goddess.

Namaste to you with the deepest respect my soul can conjure up. You have spoken the TRUTH from a place of True Womanly Power. Will you be my friend?? For life?? *grin*

Yes, we are way past this and onto the new....simpler and more cozy feelings of being in love.... there is no need for intense mental pleasuring when one is living in a place of peace within the grace of Creator. So many women are already there......living in peace with themselves waiting for the rest of the world running around like chickens with their heads off, to come to their senses. I too see and feel the efforts of so many, millions, who want to live on this planet with Her, not on Her or over Her.... but in Love with Her....... we are here and have always been here, disengaged from the matrix, but living on the fringe...waiting.

I am going to copy and paste here something Anastasia said in book 1 chapter called " Who lights a new star":

Vladimir says to Anastasia:
"Through all the millennia of their existence, mankind has not been able to overcome these devices of the dark forces? That would mean they are stronger then Man. Man hasn't been able to overcome them, in spite of the appeals by spiritually enlightened people, as you put it? So, is it downright impossible to overcome them? Or maybe it's not necessary?"

Anastasia: "It is necessary. Absolutely necessary ! "

Vladimir: "Who then can do it"?!

Anastasia says: "Women! Women who have been able to grasp the truth and their own appointed purpose. Then the men will change too."

Then Vladimir proceeds to rant on the failures of normal men being aroused by pretty women's legs etc...instead of taking her information into realms that would offer more insight into exactly how she see this happening....how the women can do this......but Vladimir dismissed her wisdom. I wish I had been able to be in her presence to ask many questions and simply learn and then share.

I have received yesterday a list from a whistleblower of the dark cabal, priests, and the nwo people and the list of their names also called the 'committee of 300' and that list with 300 names is a list of 98% men, with a few wives and few born into royalty.

Kali, I too am speaking as an aware woman of the events and conditions of this planet with incredulity, shock and horror, for over 40 years by the simple process of consistent observation and inquiry..... However, She is indeed winning...for She will not allow Her Life to be annihilated any more by those who are bent on destroying.

Women of this Earth will redeem this planet and themselves in the eyes of God as Anastasia says in book 4.....and are fecund with Life on Earth, the blessings graced by God, the Father who is half formless and whose other half is found in Humanity also as Anastasia says.......and this God at this time on Earth, acts more through the Yin whose instinctive nature is to create Life and to preserve and nurture it....it is the Yin that allows God to work through it. It is these Godlike qualities of Creating, Preserving, and Nurturing that will return destruction into living love and pristine natures.....nothing less will do.

And the insipid mind, insisting on dissection, having facts, figures, offices, and authorities over things....will die, are dying and falling away never to be seen again, thank you Father, on this precious blue planet known as Terra, or Mother Earth, or Gaia.

As Kali says, those who bought into the image of suits, robes, and uniforms of this world and their institutions of the priesthood, military, police, laws, secret societies etc ad nauseum and kept alive by swearing oaths in exchange for their souls....are decaying as we speak. And I live and breathe for this, for I am working for God and it is His intention for pristine Man to return to the living....to remove all those man made clubs that excluded Gods Creations. They have no place in a world of life and light.....they will either disintegrate or transform....but this planet will no longer hold a place for them.

Amen.

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Reply by Kali Neilson

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN ! - om shanti shanti shanti to you beloved Sister.

I will be your friend and sister for Life - my dear Goddess.

I have been waiting patiently for the one that ASKS.. I am honoured.. I bow to you as the horse in Isabelle's story bowed to her daughter..

And speaking of ASKING... all that is needed now on the planet, to really speed things up...
and when I say speed I mean as in the speed of light and love... all that is needed is to ASK..

Just Like Marion says below.. We CAN JUST ASK for everything we need. IN every case - the Creator, nature and all of the Universe is just waiting for us to KNOW this.

Remember the whole motivation of the Priests was to force God into communicating with them. Well they never earned that communication and they have run out of ideas - Anastasia has helped them see this. So the game is up. The rest is just mopping up the mess. They have no power - the image has no power - the foundations of the grand illusions have been pulled and it is crumbling all around us. I could give you very tangible examples but if you look around yourself in your daily life - you will see it falling all around. See for YOUR-SELF.

SPACE IS BEING MADE...

Now we all need to do is talk with our Creator - he is real and speaks through us and nature... HIS CREATIONS.. I am in communication with the Creator every evening but only when I remember that I can be.

and by the way... my whole life I have been an EARTH mother completely devoted to Mother Nature/Gaia, living mostly by the teachings of Compassion of the Buddhists and had NO Father in Heaven that I could concieve . In fact, I rejected the notion of HIM because of the Christian Schooling I received. I knew they were all liars three days after school started when the blossoming of natural love between a hundred or so 12 and 13 year olds, who were just meeting each other, was SHUT DOWN in no uncertain terms and love was not to be part of this INSTITUITION. That was the day my Father was replaced with a Principle (high Priest) who had an agenda.

Anastasia restored me to my FATHER - the Creator whose divine inspiration gave us all LIFE.

Now I have my MOTHER and MY FATHER in my heart.

Daily I read Anastasia and the Course in Miracles which is the uncorrupted and modern version of the BIBLE and is direct guidance to reinstating true communication with the CREATOR.... from Jesus himself. The course in miracles happened almost the same way as Anastasia - where the message needed to be shared in a form tangible to contemporary society and the author was chosen for the task..

and so here I have my Sister Anastasia and My Brother Jesus in my heart as well. This is why I fear nothing of the crumbling world around us. For I am in good company that lets me know the truth.. as we all are when we have eyes to see and ears to hear.

IMAGINE THEN......with these foundations in place, when all the Men of the world turn to their beloved Women and ASK - "my love, what kind of world (SPACE OF LOVE) would you have me create for your beautiful, nurturing, creating SOUL...? What kind of world would you like for our children??"

and the Women will say " I thought you'd never ask.... Come, let me show you.."

AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.....

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Reply by Marion Willow

Hi Kev

Kali has written well as an experienced person who has experienced the result of FOCUSING

IF you want to know for sure where to put your energy and you would like some confirmation .... YOU can ASK for it ... here is an experiment/experience for you ... if it appeals ...

EXPERIMENT/EXPERIENCE/EXAMPLE
sit quietly and with with your whole being, ASK for an "Experience of LIVING IN and FOCUSING ON love [and other good things you would like to experience] "

marion

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Reply by Marija

Wow i'm quite blown away by the beautiful, intelligent, thoughtful responses in this thread.

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Reply by Roman

http://www.paoweb.com/sn051209.htm

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford

http://www.fourwinds10.com

The new world order has been around for millenia. They are not unopposed and their plans are not going to come to fruition.
The creator source has other plans for our planet and us it's inhabitants.

ROMAN SAID:
The NWO operates on the public being in fear and ignorance and that is also changing
The recent events like 911, Iraq war, Afghan and all the wars before that are part of their planning and strategy as is the so called swine flu, aids etc.

Check out the above links and learnt to know who and what you really are. it is far more than a 3D human physical being and as Anastasia says humanity has a great future and she is a fore runner of what we can and will all become.

Roman Doroszuk

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Reply by Dolph Cooke

Hello Kev

Anastasia has a wonderful and immediate fix for the illusion called NWO.

Where your attention goes your energy flows.

So give them no attention and they will disappear or Send them LOVE and they will heal.

In reality there is perhaps 1 million NWO Operatives VS 6 Billion earth inhabitants (MAN) My money is on MAN lol

Words In love

Dolph Cooke

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Reply by WindDancer Hunt

Actually it is older than a 100 years-closer to 500 years in our modern era and about 10,000 years old in this age of clay-many names=same thing JUST that we are arriving at a critical stage where most sheeple serve very little benefit to the world rulers and Gaia resources are being over used, thus the more recent strategy to eliminate about 6 billion unnecessary slaves. Also ditto Dolph comments-simple learn and teach others how to eat like one breathes. Any one practicing feral food gathering?

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Reply by Radomir O Hanok

Hi my friends,
I encourage all of you who have believed the media hype of total annihilation to read book 5, "Who are we?" in chapter 9 and 10 Anastasia tells a story of how things will go in the future. I choose to believe her words over media as I've actually seen her words come to pass and are continuing to come to pass. You reading this is evidence enough of this fact. In February we were supposed to be on the Amero according to the hype, we were to be in martial law by now, etc. The thing is this stuff is all based in fear. Anastasia says, woe to the prophets who speak to bring the people into fear. She has taken on their prophecies and turned them to naught. In book 5 she shows how, "The good will prevail." by the mere act of children. This sounds like something the Father would do. He is so wise. This act causes the disarmament of the nations. I can see this happening. Of course everyone is allowed to think as they wish, but as for me, I believe "Good shall prevail."

Viole'ouy
Radomir

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Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian

And the same with you Kali, I thoroughly enjoy our discussions and here is some more information to ponder.

Copied and pasted from here: Summary Of The New Booklet Life is for the Living – The True Steps of Freedom By Arthur and Fiona Cristian 19th May 2008: http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/4651

Surviving the fiction (illusion/fairytale) is a struggle so, to try and make some sense of it, we grab hold of whatever part of fiction that attracts us and cling onto it, using it as the basis for our ideas and opinions. While this offers us some semblance of order amongst the chaos, it often leads to arrogance, ignorance and fear as we try to prove that our opinion is the “right” opinion, ignore any ideas and opinions that don’t match our own and become fearful at the prospect of being proved “wrong”. Thus we judge every new idea that comes along against our own fixed opinions and discard it if it doesn’t match up, instead of judging the new idea on its own merits.

Take the High Priest, when he began to sing his songs with their previously unheard of images. He never feared the creator because he knew that the Creator is all love. However, at some stage, as people began to listen to and put their energy into the images the priest was creating, surely someone who had not yet been seduced would have come along and said "That's Bullshit", because they were still living a life of truth. The priest did not want to let go of his images and so refused to look at truth being logically explained to him. He had become arrogant, holding onto his image above all others. And thus all the destruction to creation commenced with the creation of just one arrogant image (thought).

With arrogance (the stance) comes ignorance of another point-of-view, then comes fear - the fear of another image usurping the preferred image. With ignorance, there is the refusal to look at other images for fear they will prove your image wrong. Most people today are arrogant in that they cling onto their belief systems no matter what, even when they are shown that their beliefs are illogical and irrational. The priest's system is set up to ensure the suppression of images that are threatening to its survival.

Arrogance is the worst, the darkest of the darkest of all evil images imaginable because it permits the arrogant point of view holder to commit terrible crimes against men, women, children, earth and nature. Then comes ignorance of another point of view to protect his/her point of view and then comes the fear of his arrogant point of view being usurped (destroyed). Arrogance-Ignorance-Fear are all points of view which are images projected by the holder of those points of view. Without arrogance there can be no ignorance and without ignorance there can be no fear.

Without an arrogant point of view there is nothing to fear because there is nothing to ignore.

I documented all this in the Love For Life website years ago.

An image is a dream that we put our energy into. The dream is either a space of love (consciousness) or a space without love (unconsciousness). In today's climate, we have the unconscious putting their energy into unconscious (dead - destroyed creation) dreams and the conscious (living - co-creation) putting their energy into conscious dreams. One set of dreams causes destruction, the other expands creation (consciousness).

There are supposedly 6.5 billion people on the earth. Imagine 6.5 billion film projectors inside the 6.5 billion brains. Whatever image is passing across the 6.5 billion lenses will be the image that each of the 6.5 billion brains focuses on, projects and creates. It is as simple as that. And whatever they focus on, project and create comes bouncing back at them, just as the images on the screen at the cinema bounces back to us. We can do nothing except inspire the 6.5 billion brains to change the film (the images) to focus on creation because the owners of each of the 6.5 billion brains has free will and we cannot make them change.

Our challenge is to provide them with new images to focus on, project and co-create, so we change what's bouncing back at us. Otherwise, the earth's fever will do it for us by wiping out most of the projectors so that they can no longer focus on, project, create and bounce back destruction. Remember, they are creating their own destruction because the destruction they are creating is bouncing back at them.

Those of us who love life are also reaching out for the "medicine" (remedy) of the earth's fever because, if we can't inspire them to change their projections, this will be the only way to restore purity and sincerity upon the earth. Our acts of love actually create the fever as well, depending on how great the resistance to our love (remedy). The greater the resistance (their insistence on putting their energy into the fiction), the greater the size of the waves. Like the heavy smoker who is offered a natural cure for his emphysema but insists on continuing his smoking habit. The emphysema will get him in the end, growing bigger and stronger than the cure because that is where he is putting his energy. That is his power of creation.

The sheeple (destroyed creation) are creating unconscious images of destruction to creation all the time, even if it is just the image of the new flat screen TV (destroyed creation) they are going to buy next time the pay check (destroyed creation) comes round. There is no balance of power. This is not a struggle between two forces, just a choice on the part of everyone to co-create with creation or to destroy co-creation because, if we are not doing the first, we can only be doing the latter.

There is no duality - why would the creator who is all love, all good and all light create destruction (darkness)? Why would the creator want its children to suffer? Do you want your children to suffer? Isn't it absurd to think that you would create a child and destroy it at the same time? If there was such a thing as duality, there would be nothing for us to contemplate, experience, enjoy and expand, because the one would be cancelling out the other, creation being destroyed as soon as it is created. We cover this ground in great depth in many of our postings.

Feelings, although of consciousness, are just feelings until we put our intent into them, until we work out how to apply our feelings in a practical way to expand consciousness (expand creation). We need to look at our feelings to see where the logic takes us. For example, we can "feel" that the earth is changing and everyone is waking up but unless we do something with those feelings, like set up the Ringing Cedars rEvolution website to inspire men and women to create Kindoms, we are not doing anything. If you hadn't put your intent and energy into the website as a result of your feelings, you would still be feeling your feelings but nothing would be happening. Just as Anastasia uses the situations that arise with her son to allow him to learn to use his brain and work things out for himself logically so that he can increase the speed of his thinking, so we have to work with our feelings to find the logical way to put those feelings into practise. In order to out-think the wolf, Volodya has to think for the wolf as well as for himself. He then has a practical way to make sure the wolf can't catch him. He has used his brain and worked out the logic. His experience has expanded his consciousness. He can explain it and back it up with evidence. This is the way the truth is.

We have to think for the unconscious and think for ourselves (and others) in order for us to apply a practicable conscious-living remedy which out-thinks the unconscious (dark-side) so they can never catch us while at the same-time we inspire them to awaken from their deep-sleep and walk away from the destruction to creation they are causing. This is how we MUST create a Kindom, otherwise the Kindoms created without thinking everything through to its most logical practicable solution/conclusion (remedy) WILL be disastrous for all the members involved in such a Kindom/s. Fiona and I have thought everything out about the application of a Kindom-REMEDY in great detail. Have you or anyone else done so thus far?????

Your feelings need to be backed up with evidence and logic otherwise they are just feelings. How are your feelings going to manifest as remedy? Where is the substance of your remedy to back up your claims? Remember, in the middle of the word belief is the word lie! Do we need to believe in a tree for a tree to exist? Of course not, the tree exists regardless if we believe in a tree or not. You have to be able to back up all your claims with practicable logic, with incontrovertible evidence (facts), otherwise the claims are fantasies and illusions. And so we have billions waiting for Jesus to come along, or the prophet to come along or the Galactic Federation to come along, or higher beings to come along (from inside a hollow earth or from outside, from another dimension or galaxy etc) or Nesara to come along, etc etc etc etc and be the remedy that solves all fallen man's woes.

For you to say..... "but I can tell you honestly that I believe we are past this because of what my 'feelings' tell me. I cant explain them in rational terms but I have learned to trust them absolutely because they arise from a place where no fear exists"........ places these images of yours that you are presently putting your energy into, into the same pass-the-buck/responsibility basket as the ones I just mentioned above. Where is the practicable, logical, workable incontrovertible evidence (SUBSTANCE) to back your claims Kali??? How do these practicable feelings stop a large force/group of police officers or sheriffs, or an army or an army made up of civilians or a police state or a military curfew or an emergency measure applied where everyone is FORCED to be vaccinated to counteract a pandemic etc etc???? Have you thought all this through yet Kali???? We have! We have worked out how to stop all this from happening and we have actually been applying this Love For Life plan since 2005. You need to study the body of the Love For Life work to learn how we did this.

Anastasia thought everything out in great minute detail and applied it into practicable/workable methods so that she would be able to take on and out think and out-wit the High Priest/s and not only this but she also thought out how she would be protected by whatever level and repetition of intense dark-forces of energy were going to be thrown at her!!!! But she also thought out how to use whatever the dark-side does to stop her dream to actually use its dark-energy to support and empower her living dream of co-creation as well. What about you Kali or anyone else wanting to start up a Kindom. Have any of you thought out all your remedies and defences in great detail. Don't forget, creating a Kindom is taking on the Dark-Side BIG-TIME!!!

Beautiful sister, I am not being harsh on you or even picking on you nor am I determined with the intent to undermine you in anyway whatsoever but these questions need to be asked and you need to answer them. And this goes for everyone else out their wanting to take on the dark-side by co-creating a Kindom. There are many REAL lives at stake here. Who is taking full-responsibility for all these lives? Is each member joining a Kindom taking full-responsibility for their lives?

We too feel the quickening of the men and women who are waking up and feel the love explosion BUT ...... what to do with those feelings? Use logic to work it out. If you want a clean house and your children keep deliberately allowing dust, dirt and possessions to pile up around the place, do you ignore them and the mess in the bathroom, sitting room and bedrooms, instead focusing on keeping the kitchen sparkling, or do you confront them and tell them enough is enough and they had better start pulling their weight so that the whole house is clean?

ALL men and women have the power of creation and only SOME of them use it for the benefit of creation. All those sheeple out there, believing in the dead fiction, are putting all their intent and energy into maintaining the fiction which means that they are putting all their intent and energy into DESTROYING themselves, others and the Earth, much to the delight of those at the top who know the big picture and are reaping all the benefits of that intent and energy. We live on the same earth as they do and cannot disregard their energy just because they are unconscious. Look at how many demonstrations and protests men and women have taken part in over the years because they feel appalled by the destruction of the rainforest, the wars, vaccination, fluoride, etc, etc, etc. Despite millions of good men and women saying they don't want all this death and destruction, the juggernaut rolls on. Again, we explain why in our articles.

The Rules of the Divide grow ever stronger; in the USA, they are currently building their own internal militia from their own citizens, meaning that, if your neighbour is an "all Australian" bloke who thinks everything is dinky di and likes to do a bit of fishing and shooting, he could be recruited and he could inform on you for being a bit un-Australian with your kooky view of love and peace for all. They even have the power to arrest you. The beginnings of such a militia is already being recruited in Australia. Not to mention the close ties with the Chinese Military (amongst other Asian countries) who are already training on Australian soil. And this is only scratching the surface here. I could write a hundred paragraphs of all the things going wrong, all the threats to the health and well-being of our families. There is tons of stuff (evidence/facts) on the website.

This is not fear mongering. These things are all just symptoms of the disease of unconsciousness running amok. The beneficiaries of the system are going to need a good shake before they relinquish their hold on all their fictitious wealth and power. Now, if a few men and women set up a few Kindoms somewhere quiet and peaceful, they are going to be left alone, provided they are willing to pay their rates, etc. They will not be a threat to the Establishment. However, as the Kindom inspiration grows and grows, as more and more men and women wake up to their self-less responsibility to nurture and love themselves, others and the earth, and more and more men and women gather together with the intention of co-creating peace, love, joy and abundance for ALL with ALL, the Establishment will not step down quietly. It could go two ways. The work of those of us who are putting out information constantly, talking to people, walking the talk and inspiring enough of the white collars to flee their posts because they can no longer ignore the screaming of their consciences, will cause the system to collapse. Or, the Establishment will get sick of these uppity men and women who are trying to disrupt their system and come down on them very very hard. And if this happens it is going to get very very very ugly.

Obviously the first option is what we all want. When enough of us walk away, the system self-implodes. However, to achieve this we have to be high-profile, with great community links so that enough of the white collars hear the message and decide to flee. Lets use our brains. A community here in the Southern Highlands between Sydney and Canberra so that it is an easy day-trip for people to come and visit. How about a Kindom outside Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide, etc too? There are many white collars who are not happy and want something different but are too scared to do anything because they do not see an alternative. They do not see another way to care for their families without putting in the hours at the coalface and obeying all the rules of the Establishment and without being bumped off or having their characters and reputation dragged through the mud and all the lurks, perks, security, assets, status and privileges taken away from them. We are starting to get phone calls from such people including Judges. They are vey scared. They want to help what we are doing even if they are not ready to leave what they are doing yet. They are waking up and their consciences are telling them to do something. We need to be able to offer them sanctuary, somewhere living for them to come to heal themselves and learn how to live in the living world rather than the dead one. Again, lots more in our articles.

While there is still mess, we cannot disregard the sheeple and those who control them. With all our love and all the purity and sincerity of our intentions, we have to tell them to clean up and, in the case of those at the top of the heap, we have to use our brains to ensure that we put ourselves in positions where they CANNOT ignore us, write us off as some barmy cult, or otherwise discredit us. Our plan is to encourage as much interaction (co-creation) as possible with the wider community, i.e. children from outside the community can come to our community school, we can run workshops, festivals, offer healing, markets etc etc. Links with those outside our community not only offer them lots of opportunity to experience what we are doing and learn the message of Do No Harm, but also offer us a safety net against allegations of weird goings on and whatever else the media lackeys might come up with.

During early/mid 2005 (we read the 1st 6 Ringing Cedar books in July/Aug 2007) we had already worked out how to use whatever "The Establishment" throws at us to our benefit to assist us in validating our work. We have seen Love For Life grow over the years to today our names are known by millions, our credibility and integrity is intact, and The Establishment is stumped as to what to do with us. They do not know how to get at us, get rid of us anymore, and everything they have tried thus far has backfired for them. Each effort against us validates our work and our Love For Life message and draws the attention of more and people to our dream for Love For Life. The Kindom that now blossoms out of Love For Life is permanently assured and protected and will cause the collapse of The Establishment, its shadow government of true freemasonry and inevitably the Western World Civilisation of commerce. This is the destiny (our dream/your dream), the REMEDY thought out in great detail from the beginning, that awaits all of us who live this dream.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
www.loveforlife.com.au
action @ loveforlife.com.au
0418 203204 (Int: 0011 61 418 203204)
PO Box 1320 Bowral 2576 NSW Australia

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Reply by Kali Neilson

Do not set me up as a rival (its a subtle thing and you may not be aware that you are doing that) - I shan't do battle with you my friend - you are you and I am me and we are one so Just love and share your wisdom.

Re: "Your feelings need to be backed up with evidence and logic otherwise they are just feelings. How are your feelings going to manifest as remedy? Where is the substance of your remedy to back up your claims? Remember, in the middle of the word belief is the word lie! Do we need to believe in a tree for a tree to exist? Of course not, the tree exists regardless if we believe in a tree or not. You have to be able to back up all your claims with practicable logic, with incontrovertible evidence (facts), otherwise the claims are fantasies and illusions. And so we have billions waiting for Jesus to come along, or the prophet to come along or the Galactic Federation to come along, or higher beings to come along (from inside a hollow earth or from outside, from another dimension or galaxy etc) or Nesara to come along, etc etc etc etc and be the remedy that solves all fallen man's woes."

I exist in the love that I exist in whether you believe in me or not - Just like the tree.

When you know me better you will understand that there is no fantasy here and it is not Just Anastasia who lives in truth - you are amongst splendid people here Arthur who will love you and be your own brothers and sisters if you will hear them and honour them as the divine beings that they all are. We are all saying the same thing with a different approach or at a different place of understanding or manifestation..

And frankly I would rather be gardening and being with my children than having huge written discussions - but it is necessary and I gracefully embrace where this has gone - but you need to know - I do live THIS with every ounce of my being and consciousness and this website is an extension of that Life and I do not need to prove myself to anyone for I have no agenda - I just need to live my life in love and co-creation. and that is what I am doing.

I love you.

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Reply by Kali Neilson

By the way - I don't feel like explaining things rationally these days - it seems futile. There are so many fun things to be doing.

But the "Feeling" aspect of my "self" is the feeling aspect of ALL. The field, the oneness etc - beyond words and letters - the living book. this is where I work from Arthur - I can t always explain it because I don't bother to analyse it anymore. I just trust it and it works through me.

We can appreciate the fruits of the tree or we can cut it down and analyse it to see what makes it grow. but then we go hungry..

Enjoy the fruits of LIFE - they are everywhere waiting to be appreciated.

I would crash tackle you and tickle you until you cry if you were near, by the way, and you would see how I remedy from my feelings - right now in this moment.

JOY for you Brother.

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Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian

Beautiful Sister
The Truth can do no harm no matter what. Just as we can look at the sun and see no shadows being cast by the sun, the truth casts no shadow as well, unless we imagine shadows of darkness existing and place them on the sun and truth. From no matter what angle or location one looks at the sun, it casts no shadow!

My words come with no shadows "Do not set me up as a rival (its a subtle thing and you may not be aware that you are doing that) - I shan't do battle with you my friend". Where did I actually say this or imply/intend this with any of my correspondence with you? Like dipping a white shirt into a bucket of mud and taking it out again, it is so very easy these days for most of us to add mud (meanings/shadows) to what someone has stated when the mud that was added came from the past of the man or woman adding the mud.

I cannot help but speak where I see truth or lies, it is just how I am and men and women either love me for it or run a million miles when they see me coming! I am not setting you up as a rival, either intentionally or unintentionally nor do I want to battle with you. I always welcome the exchange of ideas for is this not how we learn? I scrutinise everything, inside and out, in order to find the truth. If we don't scrutinise, how do we learn to recognise the truth? I am not interested in attacking a man or woman, nor do I feel I have anything to defend. I don't make things personal when I am in a discussion and I welcome everything I say to be scrutinised otherwise I will miss the learning opportunity to distinguish a truth from a lie. I am just not into buttering up anyone or anything at anytime to prop up and survive behind a looking-good image. I am not into garnishing nor am I into playing chess with peoples brains for any motive. However I take the creations of Kindoms seriously because I do not want to be playing with peoples lives nor do I want to be involved with others who are playing with peoples lives either.

Under our present conditions there are a lot of lives at stake and anyone who can't handle this responsibility, particularly pioneers of Kindom on Gondwanaland, are not ready for Kindom.

I have spent hours and hours over the years debating and debating with anyone and everyone for the simple reason that this has helped me enormously in my search for the truth. It has forced me to question every feeling and intuition that comes to me until I am certain I can back up everything I feel with logic. I'm not saying we should all be spending our time debating for hours and I have recently come to the end of that phase in my life, but we all need to be prepared to examine everything we feel and think should an alternative idea come along. This is how we grow. I always welcome the chance to expand my thinking (consciousness) and welcome comments of any sort on anything I post.

I too work from feelings and intuition, it's just I like to think out (ground-out) the logic of those feelings as well. It is my intention that we wake up so many of the white collars that the system collapses without any of us experiencing the Establishment boot. But I am going to be prepared, just as Anastasia was prepared when she took on the dark side of the High Priests.

There is no possibility for community without "community immunity" and community immunity can not be created with anyone wearing rose-coloured-glasses. We are determined to create a community with those who are balanced between reality and love; they have the balls to stand up to the Establishment should the need arise as well as the purity and sincerity of heart that has them want to co-create acts of love for the benefit of others and the earth. Men and women who are hiding behind constructed person-alities of "niceness" (and we are certainly NOT meaning you, but we have come across many of them) and "personalities" are not ready for this because, when the going gets tough, they are nowhere to be seen.

Look at Vladimir and Anastasia. She spoke the truth to him and he resisted, argued, abused and clung onto his belief systems for as long as he could before he had to accept that the truth was the truth.How many years did it take for him to come to terms with his arrogance? How many false images did he create about Anastasia when the going went tough for him? It is very easy to create imagined slights about people, when they are not true at all, and use them as a reason to remain fixed on a point of view, to protect what they don't want to give up. This problem is endemic throughout the freedom truth networks - when you don't like someone's information, attack their character, write them off so you can write off the information they share.

Many of the hundreds of emails we receive everyday are stories from innocent men and women who are being brutally harassed by members of the Establishment. Women with small children on their own being dragged out of their homes, women being pulled out of cars and arrested, banksters and govt representatives being allowed to rape, pillage and plunder at will without check.

We know many of those who are longing for a life of peace and love don't like to look at this side of things but the reality is, anyone who is truly challenging the system is being met with brute force. There has been an extremely rapid escalation of these incidences over the last 6 months. The Establishment has a thousand and one excuses to come after anyone, should they decide to, and it matters not a jot that many of these reasons are fabricated.

Getting into fear about this is not the answer. Getting together and using our brains is the answer. The world of peace and love that is all of our dream will come about when we outsmart the system.

We are all fingers on a hand and I don't expect you to be me. In fact, one of our biggest collective challenges is probably to learn to seek out and honour the strengths of each one of us and what we each have to offer without succumbing to the Rules of the Divide "personality" issues, that we have been taught to focus on and that are usually the reasons communities fail.

We all have our issues and my intent is to be in a community where we all inspire each other to be the best we can be so that we all grow together.

With Sincerity And Purity In My Intent I Can Say That I Love You To Big Sister
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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Reply by Kali Neilson on 15 May 2009 at 8:01pm

Dear Arthur,

No one gets a Kindom until we ALL co-create - You have said it yourself.

there is no survival of the fittest thinking involved here.

"Where did I actually say this or imply/intend this with any of my correspondence with you?"

You implied this when you demanded I give incontrovertible evidence to my knowingness of my feelings when my feelings weren't the issue.. while at the same time you shared that you and Fiona had in fact already worked all of this out years before. That's what sets up a battle or a competition.

I have been here Arthur - this is the arrogance we spoke of on the phone. - EG: Just because I believed I had it all worked out didn't mean the next person does and I should demand he proves himself just because I had in some way. . Proving himself may not even be his way...

It is not my way.. I speak as strongly as you but if I make demands of another please forgive me.. that's what mainstream school does to our dear sweet, intelligent children.. They are too busy trying to keep up with some THING to be themselves and explore the depths of their own truth and that is what I felt you doing in your communication to me.

UNDERSTANDING where someone else is and just hearing it and enjoying the mystery of another persons being ness (vibration) is the Way of love. you can still get to the same place of understanding without perpetuating an act of competition.

I have no awareness of what you have both already worked out for you have not shared it with me, yet. IF I were in your presence, I would absorb your energy and I would KNOW you and what you carry in your consciousness- if our vibrations were compatible to do this. We did this to an extent on the phone... This time shall come...

But in the meantime - I wont be your debate rival, just because that is how you have been communicating for many years - because I dont feel to be - and you dont need to do this with me. I will be your friend and make no demands of you and expect that you make no demands of me. lets just share with an awareness to softness and consideration.

its time for something new.. this is what is needed from powerful beings..

love Kali

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Reply by Raini Pachak on 15 May 2009 at 5:32am

Hey, I would advise people to watch films like Zeitgeist Addendum
Full screen here... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912 rather than Alex Jone's films. It's one thing to learn about their negative plans for our future... It's another to hear that story through Alex Jones voice. He is a fear mongering alarmist. Yes the plan is alarming. But we don't need to get all the deep informative knowledge of the NWO in a voice that should be on a television Advertisement for the next horror film. We need information, we don't need to focus on the problem, with fear of it. We must become aware and focus on the solution with love and clarity. Watch this instead.

Full screen here. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3668973572884790300&ei... And here is the wonnnnderful sequel. Kymatica.

Full screen here. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6736722752013377089&hl=en

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Reply by Kev Carsick on 15 May 2009 at 6:11am

right then . . . i find you all overwhelming and intimidating ^ ^ your deep intellect is far too much for a 21 year old child like me to contend with ha. i have no idea what approach is right with this mess. If only they didn't pick up that spear way back when haaa . think most people in the anti NWO movement don't really know what there fighting for "where are attention GOES Energy flows" that explains it perfectly , don't think anyone who's really thought about it wants to continue on this system after the NWO is out of the way , i don't think that would be possible anyway , this is THEIR system after all. So as a whole what do we want! Good job Anastasia came along just in time to remind us isn't it! ha. Think Kali's approach is most effective , we need to know what we want and just grow towards it , out with the old etc , and people need to be shown and inspired, lead by example. BUT like mike says , there's some stuff we cant just ignore , not with all BIO warfare etc , there changing our DNA structure by putting animal and insect genes in our food , they spray us everyday with with all types of stuff metallic particles turning us into walking antennas (keep your eyes on the sky) , there still using depleted uranium , Hormone manipulation , Most plastics we use leach a female mimicking hormone messing us up , male fertility has dropped at least 85% since the 1950s , just endless attacks. But yeh , what can we do . . . ha , 'stop co operating with our own enslavement' stop FUNDING our own enslavement. i don't know i don't know i don't know , i do know i think and worry about this stuff to much.

I don't believe all that planet X stuff , i think its all freemasonic disinfo , there to discredit the whole movement , just like David Icke saying the queens a lizard HAA (i know i linked to his forum , its still good place for info)

Yeh good point about Alex Raini , i still think hes genuine tho and has done so much in waking people. Also i don't trust Zeitgeists motives , some say that 'Utopia' they talk of is just the new world order with a pretty face

Ben , expect nothing but poo poo from Obama , apart all the overwhelming evidence that hes a poo head , if he really did have good intentions he would never get near the position hes in, plus politicians have no control , just puppets to blame.

ill check out all the links another day, I've all ready taken ages typing this because im crap and its nearly beddy byes , have to be a well functioning 'biological robot' for tomorrow don't i!

you may have noticed i care not for spelling and grammar , sorry ha

Kali i actually really felt that hug ^ ^

NIGHT NIGHT EVERYONE ha

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Reply by Serena Hoke on 15 May 2009 at 10:12am

Kev,
I spent 20 years learning about all this stuff....20 years....that's alot of time worrying and feeling all kinds of nasty things. All it does is conjure up the nasties. Yes, we need to know, because this is awareness, but then I realized the worry and frantic desire to 'do' something was killing me even faster than they were. I am smarter now, and take care of my body and mind and feelings....I am the boss of all of them....I eat only organic and am growing my own....so I don't turn into one of their Frankensteins with their frankenfoods.....there is much you can learn and this website Kali has created is a great place for that. Kali embodies "The Mother" in every way....she has knowledge and wisdom and love.....you can take great comfort in just her words....they transcend this computer stuff and you can feel Her.

Look up the name "Kali"....she is the supreme destroyer Goddess of the dark forces. She is the redeemer of the Universe.

The story is when all the wise men could no longer control the darkness they had unleashed into the world......all the dark Gods and Lords......when the darkness began to take them over too....they were greatly disempowered and in great fear....they did not know what to do.....but there was only one force that could take it all down and out.....only one.....and it was the 'fearsome' Goddess Kali no doubt. They in their great desperation and fear, finally agreed to call upon Her knowing full well She would destroy all things of darkness even if it meant themselves. They had no choice. They called upon Her and She came. She did the job of cleaning out all their dark creations. The world could then start anew. Our Kali here embodies that, but with love. She has embraced the divine with all her being and she is here on Earth, in the flesh in many. Anastasia also walks this Earth...take comfort in her too. Many many other loving yin beings are redeeming the Earth silently.

It takes a warrior spirit to know these things and walk in peace amidst it. You will need to learn this.

The masses or sheeple will each make their own choices and they are waking up by the droves every day. Soon the dark priests and their many minions won't have a chair to sit on....just wait.

You as a single being with a choice will need to make one and soon....who will you align your energies with? the dark forces and their fearsome heinous creations? or with God, your creator, and Goddess Your Mother? tough one yes? lol

Those who are not aware of the nwo, committee of 300 etc will fall victim to them because these dark madmen work with stealth, behind your back, in their expensive suits and robes and smiles on their faces....their deceit is actually clever for they have manipulated our genes and DNA. However, there are things about our DNA that they don't know because their beloved microscopes can't pick up the invisible.....that it has its own redeeming intelligence, and is activated by positive feelings.....so now the secret's out. Look into "Phantom DNA" on youtube.

So many people fall. Yet they have no idea about the X factor which is very much alive and well.....lol. Even David Icke mentions this X factor, he doesn't know what it is or where it will come from, but he knows 'its coming'. lol So does David Wilcock, Bob Dean and many other 'experts' on world secret events.

But then there are those who know of them, and are aware of what they do, and in their bodies and hearts choose another feeling.....NOT one generated by the dark priests, but by the divine being within yourself.....and this is strength and this will never fall victim to them. You are aware of them, but if you have chosen another feeling.....you can walk amongst them, but not succumb to them. Be smart.

I have noticed with my own eyes, that women are more calm about these things, and men are all up in arms, screaming, ranting, acting, pounding, arguing, .....all those things of the insipid mind and material world....they are locked in it.....the matrix is all they can see and know.

Align yourself with a grandmother or woman or even a child....and see how different you will feel......and then how powerful you feel. This power is real and has transmuting effects. Remember the children in the books? No missiles or army had anything over them. Those microbes they control are very very real !

ps: please..... no one need give me a reality check....I've had them all already thanks.
Blessings of peace
Serena

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Reply by Kali Neilson on 15 May 2009 at 7:17pm

KEV - That's the best thing I have heard in this discussion - that you felt the hug..

Thank YOU Kev for feeling it.

There in lies the truth that cannot be denied. We are powerful BEYOND words...

and while you were BUSY feeling that hug - you weren't giving any thoughts or energy to NWO were you - more truth that cant be denied.. I wish so much it were simple for people to understand this....... I shall try harder...

Good way to wrap up this discussion too - I am very impressed with the way you have responded to this with honesty and vulnerability especially since you are a "mere child of 21" - ha!

and that you have a broad perspective or a lense in wide angle... so good for you my friend.

Take it all in and make your own discernment's and always try and put the mind aside momentarily to trust your feelings as they come from the body which never lies. The mind is tricky terrain - yours, mine, ours - Its actually all the same MIND. This is we where can do battle with all the confusion that exists in this one mind - or we can use our particle of mind with CONSCIOUS AWARENESS to make our body move and take actions that are beautiful and harmonious and when we do... - the entire Mind is aware of it and can know beauty and harmony too - depending on where each body is vibrating in the physical realm...ie - how close is one body's vibration to another body's vibration - like octaves on a piano... this is why humanity is like a hologram and this is the scientific/physics/genetics explanation for the statement "we are all one..."

Maybe we can all be proactive by directing this discussion to topics of heart math, unity, holograms, DNA and quantum physics and share understanding about ourselves now??? instead of the Establishment??? and consciously shift our energy to US and away from them. Don't you think they'll kick themselves when the day comes when finally there is no energy available and they say - gees - they dont care about us - they are too busy figuring out how powerful they are and what tricks they can do with their amazing bodies.. and oh - gosh? look we have those same bodies so we must be powerful too!!!

THE DECISION TO DO THIS IS THE MOST POWERFUL ACT YOU CAN IMAGINE..

First - know thyself. If this is a battle - as some people are insisting, doesn't a warrior first need to understand his capacity and skill. So let us understand the truth of being HUMAN as Anastasia helps us to - remain aware of the dangers of a confused mind with bodies at its disposal, take full responsibility for where and why we DO EVERYTHING and share the truth of US - instead of the lie of INSANITY which really is no different to a screaming child who just wants attention because that is all he knows.

A truly loved child has no need to scream.

I wish everyone could TRULY understand what Anastasia is saying - NOTHING IS AS POWERFUL AS MAN! We only have to remember!

Everyone ! Check out the Brain Illumination DVD - can soothe a tired or hi-jacked mind and in-time empower that all important Pineal gland that Mike mentioned..

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Reply by Raini Pachak on 16 May 2009 at 8:14am

Yeah I can agree with you on the Venus project in Zeitgeist 2 but I think it's a great film aside from that. My feelings about Alex Jones are mixed. He refuses to talk about the Zionist involvement in anything. He blames everything on the Arabs. He is sponsored by DISNEY!!! That's right. Mixing the truth with lies is a dangerous game for us and I think that's exactly what he is doing so we can't get to the WHOLE truth. I have since stopped trying to learn all of the details about all of the dark agendas because that's focusing on the problem and not the solution. Excuse me while I go water my Garden. :)

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Reply by Mike Delcavo on 16 May 2009 at 12:29pm

Kev,

What a thread you got started man! Wow.

It sure is an important topic.

Kali thanks for your input to the thread and a plan of action.

I guess where I get stuck is in that it is not as simple as focusing on what we want or the place we would like to grow. We also need to wake up the masses. They need to become aware that Fluoride is bad for them, that vaccinations are making them sick and dumbing them down, that what is happening with our water supplies and food supplies is weaking the human body.

I agree with Raini that we have some fearmongers and alarmists that dont need attention paid too but then again people need to be woken up to what is going on if we are going to make a conscience SHIFT from where we are!

The power structure and the money systems are not going to fall by the wayside easily.

I am glad to see here that there are people aware of what is going on and consciously making a decision to shift.......thanks!

Namaste,
- Mike

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19th May 2009

Dear Kali & Others
As webmaster we respect your wishes so this will be our last posting in this discussion. Yes, Fiona was deeply involved in all of these discussions including this one. She often edits or "ghost-writes" for/with Arthur as she finds writing easier.

Treat the heartfelt inspired information of our postings in this New World Order discussion as source material for contemplation whenever/if ever the inspiration arises down the line. As Anastasia might say: This Information Exists For Those For Whom It Exists. We have also provided a brief background on Arthur so you can grasp the bigger picture.

We cannot ignore the dark-side (thoughts, ideas constructs, problem, issue, belief, thought, idea etc) and think it will go away while we are unconsciously still focusing our energy on the dark-side. Under these circumstances the energy of the dark-side continues to strengthen. We call the dark side "the fiction" because it is made up of ideas that have no consciousness embodied and it is the fiction that everyone is still putting most of their energy into, as in money, insurance, mortgages, registrations, etc, etc, none of which is present in Anastasia's world in the Taiga. The challenge we all face is to learn how to work together, co-creating a remedy that dissolves the fictitious existence of the dark-side and the hold that it has had over fallen Man for thousands of years. This posting explains how we are ALL still focusing on the fiction, whether we are conscious of doing so or not. We do not look at the dark side out of negativity or doom and gloom or because we are alarmists. We live for creation and we are passionate about Kindom. However, we have some experience of the dark side and know that it is not to be underestimated. Rather, we unravel the dark side to comprehend it to expand consciousness so that we can dismantle the system more quickly and with as little as possible harm being done.

We realise that our postings are not everyone's cup of tea. Most of the Kindom-dreaming men and women on this site are of the "focus on the light and the love and the Kindoms, don't give our energy to the dark side and it will go away". This is true in many respects and we have been telling everyone for years that the only way out of the fiction is to focus on the remedy that is outside the fiction, i.e. conscious living communities/kindoms because, while we spend our time on the fiction, we are only feeding it by putting our energy into it, therefore supporting it, therefore giving it strength and power and therefore inviting the unconscious into our real lives to govern our real lives and do what they like to us in whatever way they choose.

Just as there is a copyright holder to an idea like Harry Potter who collects commercial royalties and revenues from anyone who uses/rents or markets the ideas and characters (the intellectual proprietary knowledge) of Harry Potter, so "The Crown" acts as the copyright holder of the idea called Civilisation, invented by the Ancient Egyptian priest. This includes any form of civilisation like "The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce". By using/renting/marketing any of the ideas (intellectual proprietary knowledge) owned by "The Crown", we invite into our real lives the representatives administering the commercial affairs of "The Crown", allowing them to meddle in our affairs with their copyright. In the fiction "The Crown" has an extensive all pervasive and all powerful international network of administrators forming an intricate organisation that gets involved in almost every aspect and moment of our lives. They do so because we are renters (serfs, commoners, goi/goy, slaves, sheeple) of "The Crowns" Intellectual Proprietary Knowledge (the ideas). "The Crown" is the Head Office of unconsciousness, of the dark side and the high priesthood, overseeing the unconscious. The head of the high priesthood, the High Priest, sends his concentrated, brilliantly thought-out-thoughts, in great detail, into the pyramid that is the organisation of "The Crown" from his remote location, like a lightening bolt hitting the top of the apex and re-charging the pyramid with its information, i.e. orders, plans, agendas, etc.

The priest may no longer be sending new information into the pyramid, "The Crown", but it is still charged and being re-charged by the brilliant intellects that make up the top levels of the compartmentalised hierarchy. Everyone who has been trained in the program, the cream of the cream of brilliant intellects without consciousness embodied, tens of thousands of them with Harvard, Yale, Oxford, Cambridge, St Andrews, etc, degrees and titles, are ensuring its maintenance so the agenda continues, teaching their children and teaching the sheeple through their schools and universities, feeding through into the freemasonic networks (the shadow governments). The web of private corporations and the shadow governments that control just about every aspect of our lives is still in place and functioning. It is not going away unless we make it go away. All that has changed is that there are no longer instructions from the High Priest. If none of us do anything, the High Priest's dream will die but at snails pace, and will take generations to do so as it gradually falls apart. It is like a chook with its head chopped off, the physical manifestation of the dream running around the yard without the "head" or dreamer of the dream. In other words, chaotic. And then there is the Earth's (MANS) Fever.

When Anastasia worked with a woman from a distance, influencing how she grew her seeds, the woman had no idea of Anastasia's ray. In the same way, most of the high level players behind "The Crown" were not aware of the influence of the High Priest in their decisions. With extensive conditioning behind them, they are still making their decisions in support of the system, just doing it without his influence. To get to the positions they are in, they can hardly be cuddly, loving, peaceful chaps, so let's not fall into the trap of thinking tens of thousands of them are suddenly going to start making decisions based on love. They will not do that until we have shown them how (in great numbers) and they can no longer ignore their screaming consciences. This is the basis of the Love for Life work and the pioneering Kindoms on Gondwanaland. We need to penetrate deep into the thinking of the white collars who make up the infrastructure of the pyramid so they leave and there are no more lackeys for the bosses to order around. Then there will be no more system because no one will be putting any energy into it so the pyramid will collapse. We create our Kindoms in their world (but not of their world) so we become like the antibody in the heart of the disease. Our Kindoms invite the wider communities in so the purity and sincerity of Kindom mushrooms out.

Much of the Love for Life work is about how we invite the fiction into our lives, giving it energy by renting "The Crown's" ideas, when we often don't realise we are doing so, and how we need to become the conscious anti bodies to the unconscious sickness that is the fiction, going in there with our remedy until we have cured every last sore.

Just to show you how complex and intricate the web of deceit is, see this jpeg image (http://www.rumormillnews.com/Images/giantspider1.jpg) for an example of an establishment "in joke" There are hundreds of these spider sculptures, in various sizes and forms, in prominent establishment locations of commerce around the globe, representing the spiders (the establishment) maintaining a constant supply of trapped sheeple for consumption by the establishment spider (the copyright holder) of the web. Together, the spiders are sucking out all the fruits and essence of the trapped sheeples labour, and they do this via the copyright holder's power and control over all read and write alphabet languages, including English (The New World Language), Mathematics and Geometry/Sacred Geometry, which together form the con-structs (structures of the con) of all The Rules Of The Divide of the Western World Civilisation. The infrastructure of the High Priest's dream has been crafted out of Sacred Geometry/Geometry, Mathematics and all Read and Write Alphabet Languages starting with Hieroglyphics, all of which are ideas without consciousness embodied and none of which can be found in creation. Refer to these podcasts and video for more details: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511

We have been communicating with members of the freedom-truth networks for many years now and many of them have been fighting the fiction for years, trying to gain their freedom. The problem they have is that they are using the laws of the fiction to fight the fiction which means they remain firmly trapped in the fiction. Focusing on the remedy also means taking the remedy back into the fiction to get rid of the fiction by inspiring those within the fiction to turn away from focusing on the fiction and instead to focus on creation and our co-creation of creation. If you are living in your beautiful Kindoms but the aeroplanes are still flying overhead dumping toxic chemtrails, the air your beautiful children breathe is still going to be full of pathogens, chemicals and genetic codes altering your DNA. Until we dismantle the system, it is going to force its way into our lives one way or another.

We truly recognize the purity and sincerity of the dream you all have and a life of joy, abundance, love, caring, fun, laughter, beauty is our dream too. We do not want to spoil this dream. We want to protect and nurture this dream. In fact, and without claiming exclusivity or privileges and without supporting any Rules Of The Divide, we have taken on the full-responsibility of loving others as in protecting them and their children from harm coming their way, if they allow us (the body of the Love For Life work) to inspire them to protect themselves, so that their living dreams of freedom, peace, abundance and long fruitful lives are realised. This protection comes in the form of the dream that is "The Ten Steps Of Kindom" as well as in the form of all the other heartfelt inspired information we have shared both in this discussion and in the many Love For Life postings here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

Kali, you indicate that this correspondence in the topic "New World Order" has nothing to do with "Survival Of The Fittest", well we totally agree with you. The intent behind Arthur's questioning in this discussion was born out of years of us challenging the system from both outside and inside the square searching for remedy that will put an end to the Harm inflicted on Man. As a family we experienced terrible fabricated bank fraud during 2005, protected and condoned by judges, barristers, lawyers, politicians, public servants, bureaucrats, media barons and their controlled lackeys and banksters (what we call the Establishment). With a very wide circle of friends, associates and family members around us, many with wide and varied backgrounds, self-made, professional or artistic, some very wealthy, some who are humanitarian, others with a social conscience involved in many fields of endeavour like Steiner Education, charities, healing, community conscience, Permaculture, some who embrace Jesus or love God in one form or another, or Buddhism or Depak Chopra or Eckhart Tolle or A Course In Miracles or Anthony Robbins or The Galactic Federation or The Ringing Cedars/Anastasia, New Age, Consciousness Awakening, Freedom-Truth, etc etc, all men and women who want only good for the world, yet hardly any of them were capable of coming together ("Community Immunity") to assist us in protecting us from having the Cristian family home and livelihood blatantly stolen from us by awful lies.

When it came to the crunch, only a vey few wonderful men and women, most of whom had been victims of the system themselves, actually put in time and effort to help us and those who did were still fighting the fiction with fiction so the Establishment juggernaut swept over us with barely a bump, although they were getting a bit worried about some of the things Arthur was saying in court! During 2007, we even put on the 2nd Eureka Stockade to prevent the banksters taking the house and to get the news into the mainstream media but hardly anyone turned up, despite the fact that we were involved with many freedom truth campaigners (in fact by that stage there were tens of thousands of them around the globe aware of us and our work) and we put a lot of effort into making others aware of what we were doing and why. This is not complaining about them because many of them wanted to come, it is just that the Establishment system has us organised in such a way that we are all too busy dealing with our jobs, responsibilities and our difficulties to truly have the time to help others by creating community immunity. Self-Centeredness is a most terrible disease of the brain!

We realised how deep into the problem (the matrix) we were going when we reclaimed the house by changing the locks after the locks had been changed by the banksters 3 weeks prior. One of the three men who helped us was once a multi-millionaire and was a freedom/anti-bank campaigner with a known-to-the-public media profile during the seventies and eighties. He and a few others helped hundreds/thousands of farming families who were being booted out by the establishment banks left, right and centre. Within two days after helping us, he had his house broken into at 5.00am by two men wearing balaclavas. They hog tied and gagged him and his wife and tortured them (they are both in their seventies) for a few hours, putting a bullet into Joe's hip at the start of it all, and then left them. There they remained until a family member found them. The story reached mainstream media that evening but, just before it was to be on Today Tonight channel 7, the story was withdrawn. It was clear to us and others involved with us, that this was supposed to be a warning shot to scare us off from what we were doing in the courts and with the website which we already had up and running. Refer here: http://loveforlife.com.au/court_case for more details about our court case. We now have many confidential stories of ex police-officers, members of the bar, government representatives, etc, etc, and their families (often their families), being terrorised by two men in balaclavas or hit-men or by a large gang of thugs. In one instance a very large force of thugs was used to shut down, ransack and completely destroy (fire and all) a new newspaper-media company in Sydney, and nothing about the thugs and their acts came out in the press anywhere bar the building burning to the ground.

As we networked more and more, we came across more and more men and women who had had their lives destroyed by the banks, the courts and the rest of the establishment system, sometimes with heart breaking stories of suicides, destitution, broken families, etc. Our problem was not an isolated one and our experience was very tame compared to some. Everywhere we turned were families suffering because of the Establishment and their controlling influencing over private corporations doing harm, one way or another. Thousands and thousands of families with either hundreds of millions of fictional dollars or tens of millions of fictional dollars or hundreds of thousands of fictional dollars or poor families with a few hundred fictional dollars were being destroyed, left, right and center. The Establishment is indiscriminate, they even destroy their own brethren if necessary. Any rose-coloured glasses we may have been wearing were quickly shattered. There was a huge network of raped, pillaged and plundered men and women, all fighting for justice, all trying to help one another as best they could but unable to come together as a united force. Out of a 20 million population, we estimate that there are many hundreds of thousands of victims who have suffered the Establishment boot or, at least, the affects of the Establishment agenda, most of it ignored by the media. Many of them didn't want to be named because they felt ashamed at no longer being able to provide properly for their families.

With three young daughters to care for and a fourth on the way, as well as with 20 years of business experience since 1986/87 in a business Arthur started with almost nothing and that grew to employ many hundreds of staff over the years and turn over many many millions of fictional dollars, we were left with nothing. We were used to living on an average $4000 per week income though Arthur was a slave to the business so he hardly saw life or his growing family, wife and children as they came along. We realised that all this meant nothing without community immunity. In the end, we were on our own. Because of this, Arthur made the choice not to go back into the fiction and get a job or start another business because he wanted to dedicate his time to getting to the cause of the problem and to find the remedy because he felt that what was the point of creating anything, even a family, if it could all be destroyed at the random whim of the Establishment. We realised, even though we hadn't come across Anastasia yet, that the only remedy lay in Do No Harm Communities of sufficient numbers where we could all stand up for one another. If we didn't all forget our self-centredness and create communities based on serving one another, we had no hope of dismantling the system.

Arthur began to spend up to 16/18 hours per day 7 days per week for 3 years, networking, particularly on the computer, and contemplating, following his feelings and intuition to unravel the workings of the dark side so that he would be able to both explain it to others and together work out how to get rid of it. From the age of 14, he had been on a quest for the truth and between 1971 and 1981 he explored Edgar Cayce, Flower Essences, Paramahansa Yogananda, Eckankar, Mahikari, read many hundreds of books supplied by the Theosophical Society covering a broad spectrum of subjects/interests, explored the New Age, Theosophy, Yoga, A Course In Miracles, Occults, Esoterics, Sacred Geometry, Krishnamurti, Findhorn, Scientology, health and many other forms of spirituality, organics, permaculture, including living for four years in an alternative community in the Victorian Snowy Mountains, a small part of that time spent with Bill Mollison founder of Permaculture and experiencing first hand what goes on that either creates a successful or unsuccessful community. From 1982 to 1986, firstly starting as a full-time volunteer-assistant, Arthur worked as a Rudolph Steiner curative therapist with Susan Harris, working intensely and intimately with the severely disabled, both old and young, but he still hadn't found the truth he was searching for. Later, 1994 - 2002ish he also got more into the conspiracy side of things and we even hosted David Icke at our house for a week in 1996. Arthur purchased many hundreds of books, some rare, through the Australian League of Rights heritage mobile bookshop covering almost everything one needs to know about history, cultures, creeds, secret societies, brain-control, collusion, corruption, genocide, etc, etc. In 1986 and another time in 1997 Arthur did Werner Erhard's EST and The Forum training, workshops & seminars etc.

Arthur's experience of the dark side was intense as he grew up in an extremely violent family, with constant fighting and screaming being the norm. Here is an example of things that went on; when Arthur was seven, his father, having a "laugh" with his mates, held Arthur's head over a metal bin, pretending to cut it off with a swinging axe usually used to behead chooks and actually touching Arthur's neck. Having been terrified and angry at seeing headless chooks running around the yard, Arthur thought the same thing was about to happen to him. Between the ages of 7 and 9 and late at night, his mother also used to drive him up to the Blue Mountains in the middle of nowhere, forcing him out of the car while telling him to go back where he came from. She would leave him there, although her conscience would always bring her back in half an hour or so. His struggles to deal with all this, along with our ATO and bank fraud experiences, only intensified his feeling that something was very wrong with the world! His intent became to "bring the system down" so that it could no longer do such harm. Fiona was left holding the family together and, of course, we were now very poor! However, we never doubted that we needed to do this. The last three years have been very hard and challenging, with most of our support coming from those who are not physically close to us, meaning that we are very isolated. But we are ok with this and are very grateful for the intense and powerful learning experiences we have had over the years that have awoken in us the dream of taking on the full-responsibility for living our lives in service to all men, women and children who truly are our bonded brothers and sisters in our family of MAN.

Once when he was living in the Snowy Mountains in 1979, Arthur was visited by the Creator in all its Androgynous glory (the creator is neither a he/father or a she/mother) and once during early 2006 when the creator spoke to Arthur in a strong voice through every life-form that exists, inanimate or not, all at the same time, including the clouds, sky, earth, trees, wind, etc. Arthur was also visited twice between February and May 2006, by an Aboriginal tribal elder and a Native American Chief, and once by an enormous cast of innumerable souls of light (of consciousness), all of them (including the Aboriginal elder and the American Chief) "physically" present, clearly visible and audible (most senses engaged and activated). In all of these communions he was told, "We have been waiting for you for thousands of years". They never asked anything of him or told him what or how to think or feel and we didn't really know what to make of these experiences. All communication came with feelings (inspirations/perceptions) that were like compact zip files unfolding massive amounts of information (thoughts, ideas) whenever Arthur focused/concentrated/observed/contemplated on the feelings.

Arthur had to use his brain and work it all out for himself. He already knew that any life-form representing the purity and sincerity of undistorted consciousness (of love - of co-creation) would not invalidate the free-will of any unique life-form of co-creation. Arthur sensed all the information he was unravelling was not for him to "own", not to live his life out-of-it, of his possession, so the experiences were set free and sat on a bookshelf as a reference point and later on he came to realise that the Creator, the Aboriginal Tribal Elder, the American Indian Chief, the cast of unnumbered souls of consciousness, were talking about the remedy, about how to bring down the system quickly in a way that as little harm is done as possible. It is about providing the bridge to cross over the abyss into the world of the living for all men, women and children trapped in this fairytale copyrighted by "The Crown". Then Anastasia and her grandfather communed with Arthur five times between July 2007 and November 2007 after first receiving the first 6 books in July/Aug 2007. Again, nothing was expected from Arthur nor was he told how to think or feel etc.

We explain all this to give you a brief background and to try to show you and others the intent behind the questions we ask, the "challenges" we make. Our intent is always focused in Kindom and how to co-create it, the steps we take. For us, it is not about we're better or worse or competition or battle, or survival of the fittest, or about being shepherds or sheeple, we just want to know what you have to offer, what you have unravelled from these feelings you have attuned to. We go to the apple tree to eat and experience the fruits of its labour, the information of its creation on offer to creation as part of its intent for co-creation with creation, to expand the consciousness (the information) of creation. Meaning, if the apple tree has no information on offer, no consciousness embodied in its fruits of labour (grounding out the feelings), it has no substance "on offer" for the living (men, women and children). Therefore has no remedy "on offer" for the living. If the apple tree has no nutrition, no life-force energy (consciousness) on offer in its fruits hanging from its branches, to the living, its fruits are no different to a Big Mac waiting to be purchased and eaten at McDonalds! This is how man fell from consciousness and how man continues to maintain the fall.

It's not a matter of not trusting you, Kali, because we feel your intent but we just want to know what you (and others) are offering as practical, grounded, steps (information) towards Kindom. How are we going to cross the bridge over the abyss (the nightmare) without the establishment destroying every road that leads to that bridge, including the bridge itself? How are we going to leave the fairytale world of commerce behind us, (the sea/see has parted) where we are no no longer renting any of the ideas owned by the copyright holder? How do we stop inviting the administrators and enforcement officers of the copyright holder into our real lives (the sea/see is no longer parted), which will either hold us back from our true freedom, one way or another or cause them to murder us all as in genocide (engulfed/swamped by the sea/see that is no longer parted)?

Like a child observing a butterfly and absorbing the information, we are asking for your information, the result of you thinking through your feelings, so that we can absorb it and merge it with our information and that of everyone else who shares their information with us. Is this not how we expand consciousness? If you haven't yet thought through the practical steps to your dream of Kindom, then we are not making you wrong for that either! We have received so much amazing information from so many wonderful men and women along the way that we will always ask! We always try to think things through to the practical steps because what we write and say goes out to a lot of men and women and we feel the responsibility that lies with that.

Kali, you talk about how the mind can trick us; how true this is and don't the establishment know it! Which is why they offer us freedom with one hand while taking it away with the other, when we are not looking! We try to avoid their tricks of the brain by feeling our feelings and then thinking things through to their logical conclusion, never fighting for a belief and going wherever the truth of logic takes us. Then we have the evidence to back our feelings because the creator would never lie to us. This is how we expand consciousness, the information of creation, of co-creation. We see it working like this; a boy in creation feels something that causes him to focus in on a flower or bee or whatever. He then concentrates on the bee, unfolding the zip files of information that the bee has to offer. He now knows the truth about the bee and has the co-creation of thought and feeling, of male and female co-creation. With a brain that lies, take the idea and go back to look for the substance to back it. If there is no substance, it's a lie. There is no information (consciousness) of its creation. The creator backs everything with substance (consciousness). The creator does not give us fairytales because fairytales have no consciousness embodied. The creator created the dream and then put thought and energy into it to give it substance. When someone tells you something, look for the consciousness. If the consciousness is not there, you know it is bullshit and you are not going to be taken down the garden path. We can see what the bee does for creation to co-create the expansion of consciousness. If an idea does nothing to co-create the expansion of consciousness, it is not of creation. Again, listen to the podcasts and video.

Yes, the system is starting to collapse, partly through the energy and intention of those who are dreaming another dream and are standing up to it, but also, mostly, because the Establishment want it (planned it) that way. Every single civilisation that has come out of Ancient Egypt has gradually become more and more excessive and unsustainable until it has collapsed but the Establishment have always been there with their next civilisation ready and waiting to take over. This ancient tactic is called "Bringing Order Out Of The Chaos", meaning, maintaining their power and control over their sheeple. So it is with the NWO (New World Order), the dark-side's new/next civilisation of commerce. The current "civilisation" is reaching saturation point and, when it finally collapses, the NWO will be offered up as a way to restore order to the chaos. This is the pattern of the High Priest's dream. The sheeple are herded (conned) from one enclosure (the old civilisation of commerce) to another enclosure (the new civilisation of commerce). And thus the sheeple remain forever trapped in the matrix. And the greatest thing about this CON is the continuation of the sheeple willingly enslaving themselves.

You may have noticed the Old Testament image of the parting of the Red Sea (see). The Bible is full of such images, distortions of the truth that are also coded messages for the dark side. The Israelites supposedly escaped from the Egyptians when Moses parted the Red Sea. We have to SEE through the deceptions that are all around us, in order to "part" the SEA of Admiralty Law (the law of commerce created by the copyright holder) that stands over us so we can walk through to freedom. There are many truths in the Bible (and many other books) but they are surrounded by lies that we accept because we feel the truths. These lies con us into continuing to put our energy into the dream of the High Priest and allowing his third parties (administrators/representatives) to maintain their higher standing over us.

It goes like this; the High Priest created his dream, developing ways to attract/seduce/con Man into giving his/her attention/focus to the High Priest's dream and put his/her energy/power of creation into the High Priest's dream, causing Man to fall from the consciousness of co-creation into the unconsciousness of the High Priest's dream. Like busy little ants, they then set about using their power of creation to create the High Priest's dream for him by renting/copying/mimicking the ideas found in the dream of the High Priest. They concentrated on the images in the songs of the High Priest, and so they absorbed the information there and were able to create the images which were the beginnings of the first construction of civilisation on Earth in Ancient Egypt. This is where we all are still today, busy bees, maintaining a state of unconsciousness, caught up in the pull of the dark side we are forming, of our creation, called "The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce".

Everything about Civilisation is about destroyed creation. We are removing the consciousness out of every life-form of creation, inanimate or not, including men, women and children, to form dead corpses/materials to construct, maintain and expand a dead world full of dead persons. To keep a fictitious order among the ants and civilisation, the High Priest created Sacred Geometry/Geometry, Mathematics, Read and Write Alphabet Languages. They became the basis of commerce - for us to pay for (worship) the copyright rental of his ideas, rule/force of law - to keep order among the civilians/renters, power of government - to administer the commercial interests/enterprises of the copyright holder, the royal family divinely appointed - for the ants to look up to, revere and worship Pharaohs Civilisation etc, religion - to give the renters something to think about (a fictitious purpose/goal/reason/existence/punishment/reward for an ants life), the high priesthood - to oversee the interests of all of the above, and all the other distractions that keep us from remembering who we really are, returning to who we really are and keep us busy maintaining the dream of the High Priest.

Is it possible to imagine the amount of damage that has been done to creation by all of us, and our parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, etc before us? This gives us an idea of the amount of co-creating we have to do to clean it all up. We may not achieve it in our lifetime but maybe our children or grandchildren or great grandchildren will, and maybe we will experience the earth as a true paradise if we come back to our domains as the child of one of our great-grand children. How exciting and how lucky we are to be here now, provided with the full-responsibility to make it all happen.

Reading some of the things some of you have shared about your lives, we can see that many of you are already living your lives as sustainably and healthily as possible, enjoying all that nature has to offer, bringing your children up close to nature, etc, etc. and having lots of fun along the way, which is more than we are doing as explained above, but you are all still supporting the Establishment (as are we) by using their countries, nations, states, territories, religions, media, education, telecommunications, internet, electronics, science, engineering, transport, roads, registrations, credit cards, mortgages, rents, contracts, schools (even Steiner Schools), rates, licences, permits, tolls, certificates, deeds, titles, supermarkets, food, water, medicine, electricity, gas, ................ we could write several paragraphs and still not include everything. Nothing wrong with this because we have not yet learnt how to do it differently but let's not be in denial! We are still putting our energy into the dark side and, if we go to Kindom like this, we will be drawing the dark side in with us. This is the pull of the wave; we are still drawing it in with our connection to the dark side. The purity and sincerity of our Kindoms will be compromised if we are still contracting with "The Crown" by having mortgages and insurance, paying rates and land tax.

Our big BUT to the beautiful dream of "just ignore it", is that, between the world as it is now and the peaceful world of Kindoms, is the transition period which we are now embarking upon. Men and women are waking up to the fact that there IS an alternative way of living and that the old, but current, system will not survive much longer. We are not all living peacefully in Kindoms yet. We are still ALL, to whatever extent, bowing down to the system because we are still working in it, paying our bills to it and abiding by its rules, therefore it keeps growing, becoming uglier, more ruthless and uncompromising. While we are thinking about our car regos, our credit cards and our bank accounts/money, we are thinking about the fiction! We are not ignoring it, we are putting our energy into it. Everytime we have a meeting with the bank manager, we are putting our energy into it, everytime we renew our car rego, we are putting our energy into it, everytime we use the telephone or internet or go to the supermarket, we are putting our energy into it. The reason the Establishment lets us have these dreams of freedom is because, while we are only dreaming and not actually turning our backs and refusing to be part of the establishment machine, we are still supporting the machine. Whatever our dreams of freedom, we are not truly free until we are no longer supporting the system and it has been completely dismantled.

The system (the program/the matrix that is the dream of the high priest) has been running under one disguise or another for 10,000 years. Do you all think the intact bloodline establishment of Ancient Egypt are just going to throw their hands in the air and walk away from all the fictional wealth and power that they see as their right without some sort of effort to keep control? This year we have already felt the establishment boot: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6319 just because we challenged them over the right to travel freely across the creator's land in whatever car we choose and because we asked them a few questions regarding money, their authority over us and their responsibility. We used their laws to do so but, when push came to shove, they ignored (completely broke) all their laws and sent the heavies in, once to arrest Fiona by physical force (dragged her out with 2 year old in car) and once to remove our family car using physical force. On each occasion, we were outnumbered by police and/or sheriffs as if we were dangerous or violent. It was a shock to have them totally disregard their own laws and certainly left us feeling vulnerable. They thought we would post all this terrible news on the Love For Life website (they were right about this) and that this would send a large warning shot to anyone else out there dreaming for freedom. Well it backfired because there is a greater increase of men and women driving around with no licenses or registrations prepared to run the fictitious gauntlet. And then recently in Queensland, near Gold Coast, they arrested a well known freedom-truth campaigner also journeying without drivers license or registration. He was detained for 11 nights for no reason at all. They broke all their laws again.

If we are to gain lives of true freedom, our Kindoms have to be outside the fiction (outside the fairytale). That is, we don't pay their rates or taxes. We don't ask for planning permission. We set up our own community schools without submitting to the dictates of the Education department. We heal ourselves. We don't support their shops, services, transport, etc, etc, etc. Obviously, there won't be a clean jump from one to another without a weaning process as we learn to be totally self-sufficient but surely this is the aim. The point of this is, what do you think is going to happen when we get the land and start building our domains, as we see fit? What is going to happen when we say,"Sorry, we are no longer part of your system (as renters) so we are not going to pay your rates?" With a precedence like this do you not think we will be getting a few letters in the mail followed by a few visits by the rangers, followed by a few visits from the police....................

To us, this doesn't mean that we give up our Kindom dreams, it just means that we need large numbers and a willingness from those we co-create Kindom with to be able to withstand a little flak or lots of it. For pioneering Kindoms on Gondwanaland, numbers are one of the keys to freedom. Imagine if there are hundreds of families living in a Kindom. All together, we take the plates of our cars, replace them with ones saying "The ....Tribe" and drive around as usual. The local police are soon going to have a situation they can't control. (We do not regard police or sheriffs as our enemies, BTW, they are just as much pawns of the system as we are and they wake up when they realise the insanity of the system they are supporting.) Even better if a few Kindoms were to all do it at the same time.

The point is, the formation of Kindoms (co-creation) is the biggest challenge to the system (of individuals) that exists because they mean goodbye to the system (of individuals) and to the hold the establishment has had over all of us (individuals). We have thought this through and thought this through to see if we are being "alarmist" or "negative" or "focusing on the system" but we cannot see how the establishment will allow Kindoms (of co-creation - no individuals involved) without putting up some resistance. Kindoms are about remembering WHO WE REALLY ARE and, once we do that and inspire enough others to do the same, the High Priest's dream is over. Yes, there are Kindoms in Russia, but they are not breaking away from the establishment system that governs individuals and they do not have the same (as yet) overt, oppressive local government that we do.

All this is why the Love For Life dream of Kindom is all about serving others (co-creation), for the benefit of others (co-creation) and this includes being close enough for a day trip from Sydney or Canberra so that the millions who live there will have easy access to life for the living (of co-creation - no individuals involved). It includes fostering ties with the local community (co-creation) and wider communities (co-creation) so they directly experience the benefits of Kindoms (of co-creation) and don't think we (of co-creation) are whatever the media portrays us to be, should it come to that.

Dolph said in one of his postings that with 1 million Establishment members and 6 million men and women, his money was on the men and women. If all those men and women are focused on remedy (co-creation) it could all be over in a jiffy but at least 99% of the 6 million are still putting all their energy into maintaining the system (the dark-side formed by themselves acting as individuals)! The system (not of co-creation) will only collapse when they change their focus (no longer an individual). So, we have to put information of co-creation out there and walk-the-talk of co-creation, wake up, wake up wake up the people (the individuals lost to co-creation). Stop putting all your energy into the dark-side (being an individual - putting all your energy into your individual) which is the evil-dream (THE RULES OF THE DIVIDE), constructed out-of-thin-air by the Ancient Egyptian high priest.

CO-CREATION is all about serving others, of putting all our energy, all our waking time into serving others for their benefit. Through our focus on co-creation we are finally able to stop putting all our energy into the individual (The Strawman - The Agent In Commerce - The Person - The Ego - The Mind - The Phantom - The Ghost - The Apparition) we have each constructed through establishment brainwashing education that keeps us maintaining the rules of the divide, therefore suffocating and destroying co-creation, therefore destroying the conscious-living dream of co-creation. We eat well so we can serve others, we sleep well so we can serve others, we think well so we can serve others, we create families so we can serve others, we create tribes/villages/communities/kindoms so we can all serve others, we care for nature so we and nature can serve others, we live lives of doing no harm so we can serve others, we create community schools so we can serve others, we grow pure and sincere food so we can serve others, etc etc.

In co-creation there is no individual.

The individual (in-divide-u-all) is the dark-side. Putting our energy into the individual is the pull of the dark-side. The transition to paradise is the turning away from putting our energy into the individual. For Kindoms to flourish we must inspire men, women and children to stop putting their energy into the fictitious needs of their fictitious individuals, residing in the fairytale that is The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce, and instead, put all their energy into co-creation (reality) as unique fully-responsible team-players, stewards and caretakers of creation.

Liken our efforts to what Volodya does when he learns how to think for the wolf so that he can outsmart the wolf; Kindom (co-creation) in the Southern Highlands, the last place (the bastion of individuals) the Establishment want any trouble, high profile Kindom because that high profile is protection, just as we are protected by the high profile of the Love For Life website where we clearly state what we stand for, involvement with the local community so we are not isolated (as individuals), a commitment by Kindom members that harm done to one is harm done to all so we have "Community Immunity". As Anastasia said,"Why go into the forest? Create a paradise (of co-creation) where you are". No matter that we all dream of life in a beautiful, pristine, natural environment, we (individuals) still have the responsibility to clean up the mess caused by individuals.

We are all fingers on a hand and all have different roles to play. Maybe our role is to be, with others who feel like us, the protectors of the dream so that others can be part of the dream without having to deal with any intimidation.

Anastasia is a woman, just as we are all men and women. The only difference with Anastasia is that she has been allowed and encouraged to reach her full potential. She is not a goddess to be worshipped or a guru to be followed or a song to be mimicked, leading to a loss of uniqueness. Instead she is a shining example of the SELFLESSNESS we all need to be aiming for. She spends almost all of her time trying to inspire us, her fellow men and women, to give up our self-centred lifestyles AS INDIVIDUALS and focus on healing the earth and one another. She has created many beautiful images for us to focus on but, if they are to be the images of true freedom and paradise, we still have to create that reality. The earth will not be healed until we have rolled up our sleeves, picked up our spades and shovelled up every last piece of poo. Creating Kindoms in beautiful places and focusing on love, joy, our gardens and families is not cleaning up the mess. Anastasia cannot clean it up for us. Only when we have cleaned up will we have nothing more to do than enjoy our gardens, our communities, our families, our creativity and nature. And what a beautiful life that will be.

We would love your comments - how do you see the transition period working? How are we going to inspire the workers (supporting individualism) to stop what they are doing? How do we handle opposition? How do we inspire those in the suburbs to create food forests all around them? How do we get them to comprehend that, when the money markets and economies crash, there won't be any more supermarkets for them to feed their families out of......... unless they accept the injection of a microchip or whatever other evil tool of commerce the establishment conjures up, to have them bound into a cashless economy to open doors into establishment supermarkets for them to again access food, water, energy etc? How do we get them to switch off their flat screens and marvel at the beauty of nature to the point where they can no longer bear to do more harm? How do we, who have spent thousands of hours unravelling the darkness so we can show men and women how to recognise it in their lives so they CAN turn away from it, co-create with those of you who do not want to even look at it? For co-create together is what we must do if we are to achieve a healed earth. The earth (creation) and us (creation) is healed when men and women of pure intent can travel freely over the earth and be welcome at whatever Kindom they arrive at, not just the ones where the community members think the same way!

No matter what images Anastasia has given us, we are still all unique aspects of creation and whatever we create will be unique to those of us who have co-created it. Not one Kindom will be like another. Anastasia is not Jesus and the Ringing Cedars Books are not the Bible. They are the inspiration for our co-creations, not the blueprint. The last thing Anastasia would want is for any of us to place her on a pedestal and take what she says as gospel. How often does she, and her Grandfather, try to get Vladimir to use his brain to work things out for himself. As she says, if she gives him a hint, he will want another hint, and another, because he is still being too lazy to use his brain and work it out for himself! This is the challenge for all of us; create your dreams and then THINK THEM THROUGH - how will you create them? What practical steps will you take?

Anastasia thought out every step of her dream along the way, including Vladimir writing the books. The creator felt the image of the tree and then thought out the tree in all its detail so that tree was manifest. We, collectively, need to do the same with our dream. Feel it, think it through, manifest it. When there is no longer an establishment, we will be able to follow our feelings without a thought hanging over our heads that someone of the establishment will come along to take our freedom away from us.

We say....... When all our dreams are focused on serving others (including Earth and Nature) and we put all our energy into such dreams for the benefit of others all-the-time, the true Kindoms of MAN will arise and spread quickly until finally, once again, Earth will flourish as paradise, created in the image of the creator of EARTH-MAN. But when our Kindom/Kin-Domain dreams are self-centered and we put all our energy into creating MY KINDOM, MY KIN-DOMAIN, etc, etc, etc, for whatever selfish reasons, the self-serving individuals of these false-idols of Kindom continue feeding, supporting, nurturing and expanding the RULES OF THE DIVIDE and therefore, they are still serving the dark-side and as individuals (in-divide-u-all), still walking down the yellow brick road with rose-coloured-glasses-on, they will experience the PULL OF THE DARK-SIDE, of their creation, in the form of self-destruction that befalls all individuals walking down the high priest's yellow brick road fairytale.

We are all the consciousness that is creation in either a man or woman's body. We are all male and female. We are all feeling and thought. We are all unique aspects of creation, not individuals. The creator is also the consciousness of creation and is therefore male and female, feeling and thought. The Earth is also the consciousness of creation and is therefore male and female, feeling and thought. For us, Anastasia refers to the Creator as the "Father" and "God" because she knows that most men and women have been brought up with that image and so can relate to it. But in truth there is no specific "Father" or "Mother" just consciousness which is the full embodiment of the creator. The consciousness we co-create with is the body, the essence, the consciousness, the information, the life of the creator! There is no separation (Rules Of The Divide) between MAN and Creator, between the consciousness of Man and the consciousness of the Creator. The Creator Is MAN and Man is the CREATOR!

Our intent is to make/inspire the transition from enslavement (civilisation/commerce) to freedom (co-creation) as peaceful as possible and to inspire as many of the enslaved as possible to walk away from their enslavement. Obviously, we cannot move from one to another in an instant but we have to take full-responsibility for each other and our children to help each other step out as soon as possible. For the pioneers of Kindom, the larger the tribe we co-create the more peaceful and faster the transition is. Also, in Kindom, there is no trade or barter between Kindoms, just acts of love (substance) created and shared between the tribes for the benefit of MAN (CREATION). Observe nature and the information of nature reveals the truth, that everything created by everything of creation is released unconditionally.

We have really enjoyed the purity and sincerity of the intent of everyone in this discussion. Thank you.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur and Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
www.loveforlife.com.au
action @ loveforlife.com.au

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From Jack Suss - 19th May 2009 4.23am

Arthur,
You forgot to include this hour and a half video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=170819614143019768 (see below)

Jack

NWO - Wake Up America (Dr John Coleman) - Awesome - Conspiracy New World Order - 1 Hour 44 Minutes

or try this version

Dr. John Coleman, being a historian in intelligence community, researched in full scope the sinister forces behind the New world order movement. This video lecture represents a culmination of his findings about secret societies which form this global movement and how it came into existence

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Reply by nickatnoon 20th May 2009

Hi Raini, Alex Jones is a FEAR-MONGER who offers no solutions, and is a shill. I saw his Bohemian Grove video years ago, and it was edited, and actually SHOWED NOTHING of what really goes on there! You are right about him omitting the Jewish Mafia's criminal involvement, also. Read about Disney and his involvement in TRAUMA-BASED MIND-CONTROL here.....

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/index.htm or here: THE SKILL OF LYING, THE ART OF DECEIT: The Disney Bloodline .....: http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/1067

This stuff is REAL. I recently had a roomie who was a victim of Project Monarch. I know of other victims also.

Fritz Springmeier is an excellent author,imo, as he goes where few are willing to go. He is in prison for his efforts. namaste....nick. (=

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Reply by nickatnoon 19th May 2009

Thanx Kali.....

I have foreseen the suits and ties sitting on the ground, cradling their legs in their arms and rocking back and forward, like children without a mother, and hoping that someone will have the grace to show them how to survive.

What a revelation, of a statement!!! The suits and ties chasing the fiction all their lives and what do they have to show for it? Most wouldn't survive a week in the wild, on their own. Of course that is the whole agenda of the Dark Hats, isn't it? To take us as far away from anything natural, and living, and direct us into their plastic, dead, matrix. I am old enough to have seen the tail end of the 60s. That love, "drop out" movement was crushed by the PTBs with drugs, and if we want to accomplish what the "hippies" started, we need to take a "sober" heartful approach.

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Reply by Kali Neilson 19th May 2009

Yes! that is what this Revelation/Revolution is about finishing what was started.. Maybe this site should be the Ringing Cedars Revelation? Some people dont like the word revolution. Revelation is a great word. like the truth that always was, now revealed..? What do people think about this?

love Kali

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Reply by nickatnoon 19th May 2009

Thanx Ben, I stopped reading after I saw the word NESARA. It's a scam. I was getting emails from Dove Of Numbness lol years ago about this. But I guess it cud happen any time now,eh?!? LOL I have seen the enemy....and it is us!!!

Cheers....nick

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Reply by Kali Neilson 19th May 2009

Yeah - I have never heard of NESARA until Ben mentioned it - but I didn't get a good vibe about it at all. The last thing we need is more systems to replace the old ones.. The idea is to get off the grid, out of the system and back to nature... A one size fits all approach is never going to create a world of empowered humans - thats why we all need to created our own little pieces of paradise and be Kings and Queens of our own Domains again.. Always beware of these new systems and their tales of liberation..

Absolute responsibility for SELF = ABSOLUTE FREEDOM

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Reply by nickatnoon 19th May 2009

Yes Kali, I agree. Mastering our own selves is a daunting task, but it is an "interesting" journey,no? I like to challenge myself sometimes, just for the halibut!!! lol Getting sober has been just one, I have overcome, and a lot of other good stuff seems to follow. I have also gone to 80% RAW food diet. They say, When the student is ready, the teacher will appear. WELL I AM READY, SO WHERE THE HECK IS HE/SHE???? LOL I hope y'all realize how special, one-in-a-million you folks are?!? I feel privileged to be here! I have known the Cristians for 3-4 years now, on-line. They have had a tremendously positive effect on me! I am blown away by their loving consciousness!!! They are making great-tasting LEMONADE out of the lemons they have been handed! A definite inspiration for me! blessings to you, and all of the folks here!

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Reply by Kali Neilson 19th May 2009

Yes that's a great way to put it - re the lemonade.

Well done for you - that's a big job to get sober - I applaud you my friend. First things first and this is a big one for many people - so many addictions amongst us.. ..

And raw too - you must be buzzing ! good for you..
you are an inspiration yourself.

The teacher shall appear when you least expect...

Blessings to you,

Kali





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The Fall

[Note: Best to read this discussion/debate from bottom up. - Arthur Cristian - Love For Life]

31st May 2009

Hi ..........

As I am sure you are aware, wise woman that you are, it is more important that we spend our time working on how we can best co-create with each other than on discussing our differences. However, I always enjoy a discussion and am happy to keep learning from your ideas so, as long as you are happy with it, I have a few more points to throw at you! I just want to make it clear that I am not trying to engage in a battle of who is right or wrong, just in an exchange of ideas to expand consciousness.

As I have only read The Ringing Cedars books 1 to 6 once between July Aug 2007 I don't remember everything (have a shocking memory). Fiona has pointed out that Anastasia says that we have probably had to go through all this to learn from it and to ensure that it does not happen again. I agree, and have been saying this for many many years, that the only thing that can be learned from destruction is not to do it. I am sure most would agree but, the problem is that most don't see how they are destroying because they are not conscious of the destruction they are creating/causing. That's where I come into the picture and why most people who actually take the time to listen to what I have to say find it so different, interesting and out-of-left-field.

When the priest created his images, the men and women around them were unable to recognise the destruction they contained because they had no reference points or boundaries, no experience of man-made, out-of-thin-air "darkness" to compare them with. This is why they were so easily seduced from their responsibilities as co-creators of creation.

In response to your response........

This text [inside these borders below] appears to be missing in the body of the email you replied to which was in the body of the email I sent.................................................. [Unless you can locate its substance and we (MAN) can engage and interact with its substance HERE AND NOW then the "occult age" is just a fairytale, is invisible, is not of creation or involved in c] o-creation, therefore does not exist and therefore is just a man-made out-of-thin-air imagined CON-struct..................................... This might change your comment a little. I agree that we can create both consciously and unconsciously - we are creating all the time whether from love or selfishness. But really its all about being conscious or unconscious of our responsibility for what we are part of.

MAN has fallen into a matrix of fairytales designed to make us forget who we really are and our responsibility for creation. Falling from consciousness is forgetting who we are and what we are part of.

The Fall is when we forget to think and feel MAN.

Becoming conscious is when we recognise the fairytale for what it is in all aspects of our lives and start taking the steps to extricate ourselves from this darkness (state of unconsciousness). We do this by thinking and feeling for MAN (for creation) again. This is the basis of all our Love For Life work, as mentioned previously and is why the freemasonic world is working overtime, plotting to get rid of us or at least stop our influence over others who are still deep asleep.

Without MAN falling from consciousness it would have been impossible for MAN to cause destruction to creation. Only an unconscious thinking-feeling Man can/could cause destruction to creation because he/she has to first destroy his/her consciousness and to do that he/she has to focus on thoughts and feelings he/she has imagined out-of-thin-air, becoming the thoughts and feelings of self-importance that are the basis of all forms of SELF-CENTEREDNESS that will lead to "The Fall".

The Fall is the separation from creation, from co-creation, from consciousness. The fall is the creation of SELF because, as we stop thinking about our responsibilities for creation (for MAN), we start focusing on our SELF and our imagined NEEDS and WANTS that let us justify our destructive behaviour.

Down and down and down we go into the bottomless pit of SELF (hell), which is a state of unconsciousness. The fictitious self feels him/her self alone and apart from the embodiment of the creator, because the self is not conscious of the creator, not conscious of living for creation, not conscious of serving the dream of creation, not conscious of being part of the body (the consciousness) of the creator of MAN. The fallen he/she (Man) will do harm to any life-form of creation, inanimate or not to fulfill his/her intent/dream/plan/desire for SELF. The SELF-I-SH man/woman puts/focuses all his/her energy/power of creation into the thoughts, feelings and ideas that benefit only SELF.

It is the energy/power of creation that we (fallen Man) put into the ideas, feelings and thoughts that form the constructed "Rules Of The Divide" that cause our fall from consciousness (from creation/co-creation).

There is a massive difference/distinction between creating a SELF and co-creating the uniqueness of MAN. The creation of MAN is created by our thoughts, feelings and ideas that are intended to benefit creation, to benefit MAN, to benefit others. The creation of SELF is created when our thoughts, feelings and ideas are intended to benefit ONLY a SELF and whatever other ideas, thoughts and feelings the SELF is focusing on. The SELF (persons, individuals, egos, minds, intellects, strawmans, agents-in-commerce) is of the fairytale created by the high priest/s while the uniqueness of MAN is of creation. The self only benefits the Western World Civilisation of Commerce (the fairytale) - it does not benefit creation (reality).

The SELF does not exist, IS INVISIBLE, is a fairytale, is a fiction, is an apparition, is a phantom, is a ghost, is without the substance/consciousness/the intent of the creator of creation while the uniqueness of MAN embodies the consciousness of the creator of creation.

I am intentionally blowing the horn very loudly here to get your attention to observe the clearly defined distinction between a SELF and MAN. The SELF rebels against creation (against thinking and feeling MAN) while MAN co-creates creation. MAN has no need for a self to exist and create.

All of our senses of creation can be activated and engaged with MAN but not with a SELF.

There was no need for MAN to fall from creation to experience destruction to creation (to its uniqueness) and learn from this disastrous experience because there is nothing for the uniqueness of the soul-of-consciousness to learn from death and destruction because the soul-of-consciousness no longer exists after its physical life to learn from said destruction to its uniqueness. When the dimmer switch of the brain turns the creation of the conscious-living MAN down (the space of love that is the dream) from the brilliance of consciousness, down and down and down through all the grey scales of distortions (destruction to creation/consciousness/MAN), down and down and down into the black of unconsciousness, there is nothing of the uniqueness of conscious-living MAN existing anymore/forevermore.

Once we forsake the full-responsibility to care for the dream that is the space-of-love, that is the consciousness of the conscious-living MAN we are each creating/co-creating, its all over. The lights are out permanently!

It is impossible for unconsciousness to create consciousness as it is impossible for the dead to create life. Only life can create life just as consciousness creates consciousness. Life comes out of life. Without life how can there be life? Without consciousness how can there be consciousness? We (life) exist by responding to life! Can a dead man and woman (who do not exist), of their will, while they do not exist, create a living child? Obviously this is impossible.

A lie can never perfect a truth!

All that can be done with unconsciousness (the dead who have forgotten who they really are and who have destroyed their space of love or who have never created one) is FOR OTHERS OF CONSCIOUSNESS (OF UNIQUENESS) to transmute it (THE DEAD - the dead dreams - the dead spaces of love) just as the Earth and MAN needs to transmute both the destruction caused to everything of nature by a nuclear bomb and to the transmutation of nuclear radiation. If we (MAN) of the light of consciousness can't reach the dead then, once they have departed from their brain's tool of creating MAN, they are forever dead. Billions and billions of men, women and children are truly dying without having created a space of conscious-living MAN to continue being part of creation.

The destroyed (the unconscious without the body of MAN) are unable to transmute their unconsciousness. They (the dead) require the light of consciousness (of others) to come into the distorted energy of their self-destruction (in the jet-black darkness) where they have forsaken the full-responsibility for maintaining the dream of their uniqueness, to transmute all this dead energy (the SELFish thoughts, feelings, ideas of the fairytale that destroyed their space of love or stopped them creating one) back into consciousness. But in performing this act of love, the self-destroyed are not restored because they no longer exist consciously/uniquely to be able to create another body of MAN. The transmuted energy just re-attunes to the embodiment of the consciousness of the creator of this conscious-living dream that IS creation.

If we (MAN) do not remember who we really are and what we are part of (what our purpose/intent for life really is) then there IS NO SPACE OF LOVE FOR CONSCIOUSNESS TO CONTINUE ON WITH CO-CREATING CREATION. Without the body of MAN, we are forever dead. If we do not create acts of love to serve the wave that is this dream of creation created by the creator then we have not weaved a space of love, that is the fabric of MAN into the wave of creation and therefore having forgotten who we really are, we are no longer consciously putting our energy/power of creation into the wave of creation that IS rolling along/expanding consciously here and now.

Those who fall off the wave to create a SELF have chosen to fall off of their own free-will and yes, they are unconscious of having done so and yes, they take no responsibility for their fall (their SELF) and yes, they have a 1001 distractions they use as excuses and evidence to justify their fall.

The fallen are always victims!

The fallen are both masters of THE RULES OF THE DIVIDE or are victims of the rules of the divide because they put their energy/power of creation into them. Examples being the beliefs (be-lies-fs --- be the lie) in a man-made CON-struct invented out-of-thin-air like Ying and Yang, light and dark, right and wrong, Heaven and Hell etc etc. It is the rules of the divide that he/she believes in which forms a SELF separated from MAN, from thinking and feeling MAN, and while he/she believes in maintaining SELF, he/she is an unconscious power and control freak determined to dominate others. Not only does the fallen man/woman serve SELF but he/she is also determined to get others to serve (WORSHIP) his/her SELF as well, with the CON-sequence (the sequence of the con) being that everyone else who do not fit in to the IMAGE OF SAMENESS WORSHIPED by SELF are ostracised, ridiculed, rejected, abandoned and written off. Those who worship and glorify their SELF are not only destroying the uniqueness of MAN but are also destroying (DOING HARM) to MAN because they have also forgotten to feel and think MAN.

Transmuting unconsciousness does not mean restoring all the unique souls who used their free-wills to destroy their uniqueness. The tides and waves of the creator's consciousness sweeps over all that has rebelled against the creator's dream, and every distortion representing those who rebelled are the distorted drops of energy/water reforming with the ocean whence it came. Then those of consciousness can create another dream, another space of love with that transmuted energy, expanding a child of uniqueness (MAN) in the image of the creator's conscious-living-making. These souls (children of MAN) who expand consciousness and remember who they really are (they feel and think MAN), continue to consciously co-create and serve the living dream of creation they consciously feel and think they are part of, even when they have departed/shifted from their decaying physical body of Man. This is how the creator's dream continues to expand its consciousness.

Temporarily under our present brainwashed circumstances we (MAN) call these conscious-living souls of light "OLD-SOULS" even though there is no such thing as an old soul. The term old-soul is just a metaphor to describe the distinction between the bullshit deceptive rules-of-the-divide that mislead fallen man with its new age/old age distortions of truth via occults, esoterics, sacred geometry, geometry, mathematics and all read and write alphabet languages, and with those consciously awakening and remembering who they really are.

Most children created these days are young souls, first-timers so-to-speak. Unfortunately most are created without the dream for a space of love that embodies them. Then others of consciousness have to come along and assist them (inspire them - love them) to create their space of love for their on-going existence, providing a true-purpose for their existence which helps them tremendously in remembering who they really are and what they are really part of. Again and unfortunately, most of these young souls are so distracted by the temptations on offer in the high priest's fairytale that they never create a space of love (of MAN who thinks and feels MAN)) so they can remember who they really are and what they are part of. They truly die as part of the dark-energy conceived out-of-thin-air by the high priest/s.

Unconsciousness has no place in creation (as part of creation) just as destruction has no place as part of consciousness. There is no duality. Why would we create a child and then kill the child at the same time? If we destroy what we (Man) think and feel (what we create), who is there to think and feel what we have created? How can we expand consciousness if we destroy everything we have created? How can we expand the man or woman we are creating if we have destroyed it? How can we create MAN when we no longer are capable of thinking and feeling MAN?

If we destroy a dream the dream no longer exists just as a child no longer exists if we destroy the child. If we destroy the creators dream for creation that we (Man) are part of, then we have destroyed both the dream that gave us the opportunity to think and feel it and therefore we have destroyed our unique existence (as MAN) to continue being part of the creator's dream. Without thinking or feeling creation it is impossible to be part of it! Without thinking or feeling MAN (our creation of MAN) it is impossible to be part of MAN (the creation of MAN)!

The responsibility for our creation of Man lives or dies by how we deal with our responsibilities. Many children of God have fallen by the wayside. They all ended up in the garbage heap that is the un-recyclable destruction (distortions) of creation (distortions of MAN called hu-mans). They all forgot who they really are and what they are part of. They no longer could think or feel MAN! In the previous email I just sent you, the one I am saying Kali appears to have now removed, these heartfelt-inspired insights are explained in great detail.

A thought and feeling that benefits creation can only exist in a space of love that exists to benefit creation, a space where the thoughts, feelings and actions that benefit creation can be nurtured. MAN is that space of love and ONLY MAN can expand the consciousness of a Space Of Love. MAN has the unlimited power to accelerate (expand) thoughts and feelings at any speed. MAN is not restricted by speed unless Man creates the restrictions.

We have free will and it is our free will that determines whether we exist or not. We are not puppets on a string so there is absolutely nothing predetermined about MAN expanding consciousness from a supposed God-Like child. The seed of a tree already has all the information of the trees creation but Man has the unlimited and unrestricted power to expand the consciousness (the information) of the tree and the seeds the tree creates. If MAN does not exist to think and feel creation, to think and feel MAN, to think and feel the tree, who is there to think and feel MAN or creation or the tree? Without the existence of MAN creation cannot be felt or thought. Creation requires MAN to exist here and now to think and feel creation. It is impossible for creation to be felt and thought and be experienced without MAN! No thought or feeling of creation can exist and be experienced without MAN, and that is because MAN IS the full-embodiment of the creator of MAN, and therefore, bears the full-responsibility to feel and think creation for creation to exist and be experienced! If MAN stops to think and feel MAN the existence/creation of MAN will be no more! If all of MAN forgets to feel and think creation, there will be no more creation!

If MAN does not exist here and now to think and feel the past or the future, how can the past or the future be felt and thought? Without MAN existing here and now to think and feel MAN, all of MAN that ever was and all of MAN that ever will be would not exist!

The comprehension of the distinction between the fiction (the fairytale) and creation is vital for the process of remembering who we really are. The Ringing Cedar books do not help here as Anastasia only gives hints and, as Vladimir is not aware of the distinction he obviously does not write about it! Anastasia has kept her message "friendly" in order to inspire as many people as possible to the possibility of a different way of being. Look at the reaction I get when I talk about this stuff! Had she done the same, she obviously wouldn't have reached the amount of people she has. We feel that we are adding to the books, moving onto the next stage through the integration of her information and ours. She is not part of the Western World Civilisation so it is up to us to work out how to get out of it, the steps we need to take, etc, even though she is doing all she can to help us.

When we wake up the billions, those who still have the opportunity to wake up (who can still think and feel MAN if they want to), who still sit in peak hour traffic, still swarm around the cities like ants at lunch break, still willingly enslave themselves to the machine, thinking they don't have any alternative, there will not be a Western World Civilisation of Commerce any more because there will no longer be any SELVES to maintain to support it. Many of these billions of SELVES will never be attracted to the Ringing Cedars books which is why we are focused on other ways to reach them - music, docos, films, etc., but most importantly through the creation of walk-the-talk Kindom near their dead world where they will notice it, be able to experience it (remember Man), be inspired by it and go back into their dead world and transform it (get rid of their selves).

The Western World Civilisation of Commerce exists because of everyone thinking about their SELVES, having to maintain the fictitious needs and wants of their fictitious selves. They wake up from the fairytale because they remember who they really are, meaning they stop thinking and feeling about their SELVES and start thinking and feeling the inspirations of MAN and MANS (their) responsibility to creation. They wake up because they think and feel the consciousness of the creator that inspires them to willingly think and feel creation, to serve creation, to benefit all of creation. They live their whole lives for creation. And in the act of thinking and feeling the full-responsibilities for creation we co-create MAN in the image of the creator who bears the full-responsibility for the dream of creation.

There is no other way to create MAN.

Love and hugs
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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30th May 2009

Greetings Arthur,

I adore your your questions and comments. Because of the complexity of your message, I've answered in the body of your email below [inside these brackets].

Blessings and Love,
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From Arthur Cristian 29th May 2009

to ..............

Hi ..........

Where is the the substance (the consciousness) that is the "occult age"?
Everything that exists in reality (creation) has substance to back its existence.
All dreams created of the creators creation have substance (consciousness) in its embodiment which engage our senses of creation, sight, sound, touch, taste, feel, smell/scent.
Where can I go to visit the occult age?
What is its address/location where it sleeps or rests?
What does it look like?
What does the occult age do for creation that aids creation in rolling along (expanding) here and now?
Would we (MAN) and creation suffer if not perish if the occult age did not exist?
Can we eat, drink or breathe the "occult age"?

[I understand and agree with those points, Arthur. I suggest that the Occult age isn't about the Creator's dream. It is about Man becoming consciously aware of Self as God expressing in this physical plane. It is about Man discovering himself as a creator - a true child of God, inheritor of all that God is and has passed down to us. The Occult Age is only an experience created by Man in our exploration of self-awareness as unconscious and then conscious co-creators with God.]

o-creation, therefore does not exist and therefore is just a man-made out-of-thin-air imagined CON-struct.

[Co-creation does exist. It exists naturally and automatically. It is often described as co-creating with "each other" but the reality of co-creation is that we co-create with God continually and cannot do otherwise. However, we can co-create unconsciously or consciously.]

The high priest created a con-struct out-of-thin-air,...... that is all that has happened. He knew that all that exists is creation, that we are not heading to creation or heading from creation nor can we hide from creation because even that is an act of creation. He knew that the substance of the creator permeated all of creation, that there is no corner (a metaphor) of creation where the substance of the creator can not be found so all he could do was to imagine/invent out-of-thin-air ideas that were without the substance of the creator. That is all that the high priest could do to try to get the creator to talk to him. Anyone who has fallen from creation has fallen from co-creating with the dreams (ideas/thoughts/feelings) of creation that have the substance of the creator embodied, into dreams that are without the substance of the creator embodied.

[Arthur, we have reached a point of discussion where I believe we may disagree. I don't agree that there is any reality in the term, "fallen man." I believe and have "seen" that Man is expanding our conscious awareness of our creative power into arenas that we believed in the past were outside of our creative power. To do so we have attempted to create other than reality, or Love (what we believed was outside our creative power). This occult age (Yes, man created) has allowed us to explore creation and our own creative nature beyond our previous conscious awareness. Man is becoming conscious of Self as God-Self experiencing life in this physical dimension - the Children of God in this physical dimension.]

Everything the creator created was to benefit the dream of creation,

[Including this moment in time and the experiences of this time.]

everything the priest created was to the detriment of the creators dream.

[Or perhaps to fulfill the fullness of the Creator's dream as there is no power in the Universe that can diminish the Creator's dream.]

We (MAN) are meant to serve (put our energy into/use our power of creation into) the dream of the creator but instead through being conned we serve the dream of the high priest, which teaches us not to serve the dream of the creator.

[As a result of my own awakening experiences, I agree with Anastasia that God's only intention for Man is to co-create and then provide joy for all in its contemplation (book 4 pg 9). Man is expanding our awareness and our capacity for that experience.]

This is why the Love For Life work is based on service to each other to benefit the creators dream to remind us all what we have all forgotten and to reinstall this habit. When we are not conscious of the creators dream we are not inspired to serve the creators dream, therefore we are UNCONSCIOUS of the creators dream, therefore we can and will destroy the creators dream, starting with the SELVES we have created to destroy our uniqueness.

[Arthur, it is my understanding of All That is, that it is impossible for anyone to fail in serving the creator's dream. If Man can f--ck up God's dream then God is a pretty weak father and pretty poor at creating anything lasting or fulfilling. I don't buy that. It is not consistent with my personal direct experience of God-Our Father/Creator.]

Creation is not an "age" or "cycle" or of an "age" or "cycle" - it is only when we are fallen that we have been conned into believing that there supposedly exist such fictitious things as "age or "cycle". Only a SELF is subject to con-structs because a SELF is a con-struct of the high-priest as well and is why a SELF (an in-divid-u-al/individual, a person, a strawman, an agent-in-commerce, an ego, an intellect, a mind) is separated from creation/co-creation, from the substance of creation, because the fallen man/woman believes (puts their energy/power of creation) into such con-structs (ideas/thoughts/feelings that are without the substance/intent of the creator of creation).

[Except that it is possible that God, our Father, is able to hold our con-structs in balance and in fact to go further and to hold all that we create in service to His dream of perfect Love, Joy and Beauty. And if our Father can do that then WE can do that. In fact we can reverse that, If I can do that (and I can) then God can certainly do that. We are his children, inheritors of the power to create all of nature and experience according to our preference (perfection and beauty). It is my preference that all the con-structs that you refer to, serve the expansion of Man into a mature(ing) child of God and that God is holding that vision of perfection and balance for his Children. I'm guessing that is your preference as well.]

Creation is without beginning or end, it is not bound to time or space and has no reference points or boundaries and is not subject to rules, regulations, rituals, procedures and con-ditions. These are all inventions of the high priest, THE RULES OF THE DIVIDE, to keep us divided and quarreling. When we are of consciousness, we are creating and expanding consciousness (consciously co-creating/serving the creators dream that we are part of) in the here and now, unaffected by the rules of the divide. When we are are conscious we are without loss of uniqueness. When we are conscious WE ARE CREATION and all of creation we experience with our senses of creation/co-creation is OUR body of creation. When we are conscious we are not separated from anything or anyone and we are not heading from somewhere to anywhere. Our expansion of creation is our expansion of consciousness.

[Well said. I would only add that when we are UNCONSCIOUS we are also not separated from anything or anyone. That was one of the keys to what I experienced in my Awakenings. I believe you saw that also and are in the process of integrating that with what you see in the world.]

Because we, as MAN, have all the embodiment of the creator,

[YESSS!!]

we have the power to make it look as if there are ages, cycles etc, because we can create and self-fulfill such things. This is why it is so important to always look for the benefit to creation being created by any word, thought, feeling. deed, etc because it is so easy to be bamboozled by the fiction.

[True.]

It it isn't benefiting creation, it isn't of creation and is therefore of the fiction. We get conned by the ideas of the fiction into making it o.k. to keep destroying creation. We keep destroying in a state of denial about our destruction, thinking we are nice, "conscious" people. More of the James Bond Syndrome.

[I agree, and yet I still maintain that even in that state we are the children of God, exploring our inherent Godness exactly as a God-Child would do, and leading to the only place a God Child can go - to full conscious Godhood and recognition of single consciousness that is the only possible reality.]

My reaction to Kali - more frustration than anything, frustration that she is in a position of influence and she is using it to put people on the wrong track (although not intentionally of course). Frustration that they just don't get it - the whole fiction thing and how they are still supporting it. Frustration that she and others have taken Anastasia's references to goddesses and "the women will be the ones to change things" to put themselves (women) on a "higher standing" than men. Women of the New Age can only cope with "tame" men. They cannot cope with men who don't express themselves the "right" way.

[Kali is God's Child serving her role. She is offering an experience where people can explore a thought structure that cannot succeed in creating the experience they desire. It is a valuable opportunity for them to discover that their thought structure will not result in the manifestation they desired. We are all learning to be aware and responsible for our creations. We can only do that by exploring our creating possibilities. Kali provides a very specific opportunity for a specific group of us to explore. The results will be discovered fairly soon and their awareness will be expanded - Kali's as well.]

Fiona's frustration is that, if we all don't learn to get off worrying about other peoples personalities, we will never create Kindoms. Kindom is not about having a New Age community here, a freedom fighters community there and whoever else's community somewhere else. If we don't learn to take responsibility for the feelings that other's arouse in us, we will never be able to take responsibility for the creation of the men and women we are creating and for our Kindoms.

[My respects and love to Fiona. We WILL create Kindoms. We WILL learn to get off worrying about other people's personalities. We are doing that with all these "funky" events going on around us. They ALL serve us. I totally agree with your assesment except that I would say that "We are learning to take responsibility for the feelings that others arouse in us. We WILL take responsiblity for the creation of the men and women we are creating and for our Kindoms.]

Kali is creating a touchy, feely, new-age cosmic-galactic clique who have no idea about the real world of the establishment and how to deal with it if it comes knocking on their doorstep.

[Yes, and the experience she is creating will allow each of the members of the clique to become aware of their illusions very quickly and to move into greater awareness of themselves and all others as Children of God, begotten in Perfection and held in Love.]

I do not take it personally because I have experienced many such "rejections" along the way. People either like me or cannot cope with what I have to say. Black or white.

We have been given brains to think through our creations. We need to use those brains to out-smart those who have very good reasons NOT to support Kindoms, so that Kindoms come about despite their intentions for the opposite.

[That is another way of saying that All of creation (man-made or God-made serves our dream and the fulfillment of our Love and Joy. Thank you for saying it.

Blessings, Love and Gratitude for you both,
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Love and hugs
Arthur

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30th May 2009

Greetings Arthur,

It is not so subtle, this transferring of power from herself to you. It is quite aggressive and based on her belief that people can be disconnected from our collective Godhood and that being disconnected they have the power to deny her own fulfillment. Therefore in an attempt to re-connect you to God, she has placed herself as the giver of God's words to you who she has decided is not capable of hearing them except from her mouth.

My question to you, Arthur, is this. In receiving this attempt to empower you to be the source of her pain, what is your reaction? Is it more pain on your part with its associated thoughts of separation and being denied? Is it greater recognition of your true power at work creating your experiences? Is it a stimulus to understand yourself (GodSelf) more?

One of the key elements of my own awakening experiences was to realize that there are NO children of God who are disconnected from God. Such a thing is impossible. All are creating powerfully but unconsciously and yet still perfectly. That is what has been occulted from our view during this occult age which is a perfect and valuable part of our experience of Self. Upon entering the increasingly unconscious ages, we began to accept that we can lose power to another and the other side of that coin, that we could be happier if we could create power over another. It's not just the priests who did this. We all did and the priests have simply embodied what we collectively began to accept. Even in Anastasia's line there have been these demonstrations. Her great grandfather was one of the six priests. One of her forefathers originally taught the priests how to control people with images to make them behave in a way that benefited the priests. He also created an image in the people that would come into manifestation thousands of years later (now?) that would free them.

It sounds to me like Kali is trying to use this same ability (creating images) but ineffectively. She is trying to control those who contribute to her website to only create images of what she feels is yin experiences (those she values the most). However she is failing to hold those images herself or she would not have to struggle with the contributors to her site. That is the most common mistake we all make at this time. We are beginning to be aware that we create our experience and even how to some degree, but we aren't yet fully aware of SELF as the full creator of those experiences. It's coming.

Blessings and Love,
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28th May 2009

Hi ..................

Can you see how subtle it is, the twist and tweaking of self-responsibility (taking full responsibility) so that she is trying to make me responsible for her feelings, her outcomes etc?
Love Arthur

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Co-Creators! Who are we? The Hidden Knowledge of Man....
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:42:08 +0000 (GMT)
From: Kali Neilson mail @ ringingcedars.ning.com
Reply-To: do-not-reply @ ringingcedars.ning.com
To: Arthur & Fiona Cristian action @ loveforlife.com.au

Kali Neilson has sent you a message on The Ringing Cedars rEvolution.

But - Arthur - I know this is a huge part of what is making me very tired. You are carrying a huge amount of power with you but with every breathe you give to creation, you are in the next giving your attention to the dark - speaking of it, remembering it, analysing it dissecting it but all the while giving it energy. and all you have to do is walk away from it.. it must be draining you and your family incredibly..

and I know you would truly cry if you knew that you are perpetuating this and God wants you to walk into the light and be with your woman and your girls. .

so this adjustment you speak of is me adjusting to helping you my brother and I truly dont mind for I know it is worth it. But I need to be able to speak with you honestly and tell you that it is taking my energy because it is so - not because you have done anything to me..

- and I need you to be fully backing the good. I am of the light and I need support. IF you could feel what I am feeling right now you would understand what I am requesting of you Arthur. I never lost consciousness Arthur - I came in this way - I hope you can understand.

Please sleep on this and ask Spirit to help you understand this truth.. Truly.

your understanding will help me immensely - I have foreseen what I am capable of doing in this life, in these next moments in co-creation and I will be on bended knee and ask you for your support and protection if needed my graceful Knight, but you must be prepared to surrender the darkness fully and forever.

This is my prayer. And so it is done.
Kali

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To: Kali Neilson

continued.......

What an incredible, gifted journey we are on but gees what a roller coaster it has been since childhood. I still experience all the swings of this healing discovery without it hardly effecting me anymore bar physically as in the aches and pains and being overweight.

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30th May 2009

Greetings Arthur and Fiona,

I appreciate your recognition of truth. I just researched the Van Allen Belt and I agree with your assessment of the counter-balance. My sense is that we don't fully understand the Van Allen Belt but I agree that it is a counterbalance. It is not a full limitation but it does create a balance that is significant.

Your method of expressing yourself, Arthur, is very unique and delightful. Your market are those who are just beginning to become aware. They are those who are open to hearing "the problem" for the first time, and the false reality we have created against our joy and the love we universally desire. On the other hand, my market are those who have seen that and are looking for a way to create a new experience for themselves. I think our messages merge and I know how to do that and I do it. (I'll let you know when that answer arrives.)

We have a .......................... meeting tomorrow (Saturday) afternoon. I will be presenting some of your ideas and see what the ...................... response is. I think it will be a very fun meeting.

I am soooo very grateful to have made your acquaintance and very pleased to call you both dear friends. I intend to meet you and Fiona in person some day soon and intend to thoroughly enjoy the connection.

Blessings and Love,
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30th May 2009

Spot on ....................! We are in great admiration of your wisdom..... applause.. clap - clap - clap - clap - clap - clap - clap - clap - clap - clap.

Its how we see (feel) this dilemma and it can be explained in other ways as well. Here is another example of your wisdom (looking through a different window into the same room) at play ..... It is the same reason why we have the Van Allan Belt around Earth. The more harm we cause (unconsciousness) the more defence creation puts up (WE/MAN) to protect the perfection of creation from being destroyed by the fallen. Just how perfect is this dream created by the creator.

Bits and pieces taken from here:
THE DISCOVERY OF LIFE ON MARS By Andrew D Basiago
BULLSHIT - BULLSHIT - BULLSHIT
by Arthur Cristian Love For Life
2nd March 2009

The creator would never create anything that would do us harm but the creator's dream is so perfect that, as we try to destroy it, so we form its protection. The Van Allen belt keeps us (the fallen) trapped here and now so we don't go and do more damage elsewhere. We were not meant to be pushing dead fictions (rocket ships, satellites, space-stations, ufos etc) out into space, meaning we are not meant to be destroying creation so we can destroy more of creation. All of creation is consciousness (SUBSTANCE) so consciousness is everywhere in creation. However, anything man-made (con-structs of knowledge invented out of thin air) that is made by destroying creation - cutting open mountains, digging holes far into the earth, ripping out rocks, etc, - is not of consciousness (WITHOUT SUBSTANCE) but born of man-made lies. So you won't find anything like that on Mars. We are meant to shift consciousness (telepathy - teleporting etc) Earth to Mars, Doing No Harm, rather than destroying Earth and Doing Harm to travel to Mars. The unconscious non-living fictitious hu-man sheeple will never be able to get through the Van Allen Belt because they have created it to make themselves prisoners on earth just as they have made prisons out of their own bodies. It is impossible to take on creation and win.

Love and in great admiration for the beautiful sincere woman that you are.

Keep using that great brain of yours. The well-being of Man is in great hands.

Love and hugs
Arthur & Fiona

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30th May 2009

Greetings Arthur,

Thanks for sharing this. Here's my perspective. It's very interesting that in order to preserve and protect her Yin site, Kali has sent you a very Yang message - the result of significant Yang thinking. It falls into the very description she gave of yang qualities.

* are not sensitive to or relevant to the topic of discussion,

* are excessively long, give excessive links or exposure to other websites instead of gentle reference to other information, are repetitive, explosive, (many posts exist on her site that provide multiple photos and links to other sites and I do not recall seeing a rule defining a certain number as acceptable. Managing subjective rules is a completely Yang experience.)

* overly mental, analytical, rational and devoid of the yin qualities above.

Kali's above definition of yang is totally subjective and therefore without structure. She will be forced to apply yang qualities (structure) again and again to maintain the yin dominant site she desires. It is all good. By trying to limit her experience to yin she will force herself into the very yang experiences she wishes to avoid. I love the balance inherent in the Universe we created and inhabit. The more she tries to create a yin experience by controlling the experience, the more yang experiences she will be forced into.

Blessings,
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Subject: Rules of this House
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 00:30:56 +0000 (GMT)
From: Kali Neilson mail @ ringingcedars.ning.com
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To: Arthur & Fiona Cristian action @ loveforlife.com.au

Kali Neilson has sent you a message on The Ringing Cedars Revolution.

Dear Arthur,

We are a Yin dominant website, to create balance in a yang excessive reality.

We are about flow, creativity, receptivity, acceptance, softness, gentleness, embracing, love, and compassion.

Any yang dominant posts need to be moderated because they are counterproductive to the intention of this site. Which does in fact take extra time away from being creative, embracing etc. Yang excessive posts are those that: are not sensitive to or relevant to the topic of discussion, are excessively long, give excessive links or exposure to other websites instead of gentle reference to other information, are repetitive, explosive, overly mental, analytical, rational and devoid of the yin qualities above.

This is a space where people must be vulnerable, creative, loved and accepted.

These house rules need to be considered and respected by everyone.

If the administrators find that a member is repeatedly not respecting the intention of this site, then they will be asked to leave.

Arthur, your own posts have been described as:

excessive in yang, not loving, not co-creative, dominating, overly-mental, and repetitive and way too long. It has been said it seems as though you are trying to move your own house in here.

If you feel that you can self-moderate your contributions to suit the terrain of this site, then we will have the chance to co-create. At the moment, your posts are not helping others to feel good, to feel safe, or vulnerable to be where they are in their own acts of co-creation. And I am personally finding myself spending all more own energy dealing with the energy you bring to my site, instead of being creative myself and having energy available to love and support others, including my family.

From today I want you to change your approach to this site by being far more respectful to our intention. IF you feel you cannot self-moderate, to make it also wonderful for others, then please refrain from posting here.

Sincerely,
Kali

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29th May 2009

Hi ...........
Thanks for the chat over the phone.

I have just noticed that Kali removed all the Kindom postings (including photos etc) I put up yesterday which are just copy/paste of part 1 and part 2 of this: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6323 without anything not relevant to Kindom such as links/embedded videos etc.

What is she trying to control????

I only found this out after reading this email she sent me today (I will forward it to you straight after sending this one) and after our phone chat.

Here is the link to where you can watch the 2 hour video and series of podcasts: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511

I have also cc this email to our friend ....................... in .................... who is known as ........................ on Kali's website: http://ringingcedars.ning.com/profile/.................... - Hi .............. this is ..................: http://ringingcedars.ning.com/profile/.................... - May you both network, you are both very beautiful strong souls of truth and love without being compromised by distortions that causes one to have an axe to grind with those they can't control for whatever reason.

Love Arthur

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29th May 2009

Greetings Arthur,

I've been pondering a few of the points of our phone conversation and I have a thought to share. I'd love your feedback and additional thoughts on this.

You mentioned that you wanted to start a community based on service to others. I've been unable to integrate that into my structure of Oneness. I suggest that what will work better is a community that incorporates the agreement to recognize that each other is already serving us, regardless of how that looks or the choices each one makes. In the structure of reality (One Mind) we are already being served perfectly by each other. Agreeing to be together in community with a focus on serving each other, appears to be an attempt to create an experience without asking each community member to accept their own personal responsibility to become aware of oneself already creating the experience of LACK of service from others. This plan for a community based on agreement to serve others appears to be an attempt at creating by controlling the creation. I have a metaphor I like to use to explain this. It's a little like looking into the bathroom mirror and seeing messy hair and then telling the reflection to comb its hair and clean up a bit. It won't work. We can't create by controlling and protecting ourselves from the experiences we have already created. We have to find ourselves creating those experiences and then create differently. For me, that's generally the eight words kind of creating.

In the case of a community where everyone has agreed to live in service to others, that alone cannot change the experience that each individual is creating. I'm sure you've had the experience of someone trying to "help" or serve you in a way they felt would be very beneficial but from your perspective it didn't feel "helpful" at all. When we are truly creating the experience of being served (as God creates - with thought, sound and images), the true service given from every Child of God becomes visible. When we are creating the experience of NOT being served, we will be unaware of the perfect service from Love given us (even unconsciously) by every Child of God and all of Nature and the Universe.

Those are my thoughts. I'd like to hear yours.

Blessings,
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Re: The Fall

31st May 2009

Hi ............................

We are going to set up a professional forum ASAP, we have planned this from many months ago. Maybe then, when its up and running we can network letting others know of this forum. Its time to push ahead with this.

When Kali came along with her Ringing Cedars ning forum set-up, we thought oh well lets support this one instead of creating another one so we did, posted links/webpages on the front page and in other relevant sections around love for life, even mentioned all about it in the last two audio podcasts of the live weekly internet radio interviews recorded each week as well as in our mailing list that has over 5000 registrations reaching over 200,000 readers globally (some of the registrations are other forums, mailing lists & networks etc).

With a team of others already committed to serving each other we are going to restructure the whole front page of Love For Life so it becomes a gateway into various sections,

a) A Forum for any subject/topic of interest/debate etc which links to the relevant posts in the extensive research library here: http://loveforlife.com.au/issues

b) The Present Extensive Research Library: http://loveforlife.com.au/issues

c) The Ringing Cedars/Kin Domain/Do No Harm Community with its own forum and links to all the present posts/documents here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3641 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1985 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/2011

d) Mailing list

e) Internet and hard-copy magazine, already running by Leo here: http://www.greengardenearth.com

f) internet radio station - already running via Giorgio Repeti http://www.talkingalternative.com

g) internet tv station

h) music/art-house/contemporary music - the early very raw beginnings of this (though very rough for now due to a lack of experience and practise) has started here: Psychic Reign Art House here at YouTube: http://www.myspace.com/psychicreign

and more to come...........

Love Arthur

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31st May 2009

Hi Arthur,
I do not find this one. I have also noticed several missing that I cannot find in either location. I also suspect they have been deleted from the site. I have wondered how the sight attracts only a narrow band of "sweet" energy on the site. Now I understand how.

thanks for sharing this.

Blessings,
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30th May 2009

Hello Everyone
It appears that Kali has deleted quite a few of our posts, even ones we sent to a woman called Joyce like this one below......

Can you find this one???? or others that appear to be missing/deleted???

Love Arthur

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Greeting to you too Joyce.
I love your passion and attention to detail and I look forward to meeting you face-to-face when the opportunity presents itself. Its great to meet others in cyberspace, here in this fantastic forum Kali inspired, who are using their brains and thinking things through. I love being pushed to the very edge of the abyss, "and over", to be challenged with finding a firm footing that gets me across the abyss to the other side and then share this information freely with others to assist us all in expanding our consciousness. Its great that we all do this for each other with the intent to be in service to each other for the best interests of expanding the consciousness of Man so that Man can expand the consciousness of creation.

I get what you are saying but I have a query. I do not think of the tree as "dead" because, as you rightly point out, it is still benefiting, co-creating, with creation as it becomes the home of insects, mammals, etc and food for the soil. It is still part of consciousness. Its decay is still part of the conscious-living-information-of-creation available for all those creatures to access. All that information is consciousness benefiting and expanding consciousness and creation. It still lives for creation even though we might call it "dead". The information of its "decay" is available for others of creation to expand their consciousness by accessing that information of decay. The chain of conscious - living DNA is unbroken, the dream of the conscious living creator is intact with no harm being done to that dream. With purity and sincerity, it gives its information of decay freely as a gift for the rest of creation, just as, when it was living, it freely gave us the oxygen we need to breathe.

Every living part of creation, inanimate or not, gives its information freely with purity and sincerity, thus ensuring the chain of conscious living DNA remains unbroken.

BUT.....

The High Priest created a dream that had no consciousness embodied, the purpose of which was to break the chains of conscious living DNA, to destroy the creators conscious-living-dream of creation. His songs created artificial DNA and, as others began to accept his songs, they began to destroy their links to the conscious living DNA, just as the priest had already destroyed his links. To destroy, one must first destroy oneself because a fully conscious man or woman would never cause destruction. As men and women began to destroy their links, so they began slipping into unconsciousness and harm doing. Through their focus on the artificial DNA of the priest's dream, they are part of the destruction of themselves, others and the earth.

This intent to do harm to the creators dream is what I call Death!

Death has absolutely nothing to do with "The Decay" of conscious-living life-forms, inanimate or not, of conscious-living creation.

The knowledge provided by the priest's dream has no conscious living information to offer creation. It does nothing to expand consciousness. Instead, the man or woman who believes in this fictitious knowledge, destroys. Why else are men and women creating genetically modified food, feeding their children poison, injecting more poison into their children, creating weapons of destruction, etc, etc. We feel this harm and what we are experiencing is the energy of true destruction, "OF DEATH". The information of this destruction does not benefit creation in anyway whatsoever. It has nothing to do with the living dream of the creator (the decay) and has no place in creation.

Look at the energy of the High Priest/s that was directed as brutal, blatant attacks at Anastasia and that nearly killed her. The High Priests wanted her DEAD! Where is that energy the High Priests use in creation for us to access and use? Where does it stand on its own two feet (so to speak)? A tree stands on its own. We can go away and come back and it will still be standing. The whole eco-system of the earth does not need us to constantly maintain it. We can all see the purpose of everything of living DNA and what it does for creation. We can see its place. Nothing is hidden from us. It has substance (consciousness - the information of its creation) to back its physical form, to back the dream of this life-form which is a space of love. Where is the physical embodiment of the dark-deadly energy the priests directed at Anastasia? Why did it try to kill her instead of expanding her consciousness? Why did she have to absorb it all and then transmute it? How does the information of this transmutation of this dead energy benefit the grass, the trees and any other creature of creation to expand its consciousness? Why did the bear instantly die when it entered into the white-ring of transmutation?

Where is the benefit to creation of the millions/billions of children and adults who have been destroyed whether by senseless wars, paedophile rings, murder, aspartame, vaccination, fluoride, brutal hospital surgery, being exposed to any of the 100,000+ poisons and chemicals presently circulating Earth in one form or another, regardless of how they access and integrate with these poisons and chemicals etc (we could write a book on all the horrors)? Where is the information to be shared with creation as happens with the "decay" (not death) of the tree? What is natural about it?

The priest created a dream to destroy the living creators dream and had to get MAN to believe in his dream to carry out the intent of the dream. Anyone who works with the energy of the Priests dream is destroying creation. The only thing we can learn from the destruction of creation, the site of a nuclear bomb, the decapitation of a child, is not to do it. The only message it can give us is not to do harm. There is absolutely nothing else we or any other life-form of creation, inanimate or not, can learn from "DEATH"!

We are each responsible for creating the conscious living MAN that we are creating, for not creating any distortions or destruction to ourselves, others and the earth. When we do this, we are co-creating an intact MAN that has no broken chains of DNA, no distortions because we know that if we introduce distortions, we are severing the links with the conscious living DNA and breaking it down into death. We all know that what we focus on is what we create. Most of the 6.5 billion population are unconsciously focusing their intent on the priests dream. All this distortion is this dark, destroyed energy (death) that has no consciousness embodied in its thoughts, feelings, deeds or forms, and is used by the high priest/s for their deadly attacks.

Most of the 6.5 billion are not creating a conscious-living MAN (with consciousness embodied), instead creating a dead, unconscious hu-man that has no consciousness embodied. When a conscious-living man and woman dream for a child, their intent forms the space of love for that child. That dream already has the information of creation (the substance of their consciousness embodied) because their intent is for creation (IS FOR THE LIVING), for the benefit of creation. They live to serve creation unselfishly. You can feel that dream with your senses of creation (sight, sound, touch, taste, feel, smell/scent), it is not invisible. When they physically create that dream (the child), they are continuing the expansion of consciousness that is creation. The male sperm and female egg explodes their intent for creation (for consciousness - for the expansion of consciousness) into the conscious-living space of love (the living dream) they have co-created. As they have taken full responsibility for this dream they nurture this dream at all times. The chains of the conscious-living DNA, the intent to serve that dream, remain unbroken. They will not do harm to that living-dream. All the information of that creation can be accessed because it is living information that is part of consciousness, part of the dream of the living creator who created this dream.

When a tribe is a living dream made up of families that are living dreams, then the information of that tribe is freely available for any man or woman to access because that dream is part of consciousness and no man or woman of that tribe will do harm to that dream. They all take full responsibility for maintaining that dream as part of the dream of the creator, even to the point of their sacred site where the ancestors, in their state of "decay" are still expanding the consciousness of those of their descendants that wish to access the information they have to offer. Even in their "decay", they are expanding consciousness. There is no distortion (no artificial DNA) to the conscious-living information.

Most of the billions dying around the world have not created a conscious living man or woman because they have lived their lives believing in and projecting the distorted DNA of the dream (the fairytales) of the high priest so, when they "die", they have no information of their creation, to offer, to expand consciousness. They were either created without the intent for a space of love in the 1st instance and never filled it with consciousness during their life-time or they sucked out (destroyed) whatever consciousness remained of their space of love so that upon their physical "DEATH" they died without creating the uniqueness (the body - the soul - the spirit - the consciousness) of MAN. Instead they "DIED" as an apparition, a ghost, a phantom, a demon, a dark echo (an unconscious-non-living-energy of distortion) of the MAN they were supposed to consciously create. This is why when you go to most, if not all Western World Cemeteries there is hardly any information of creation for descendants to access and expand their consciousness. All they/we find in these dead cemeteries are ghosts, phantoms, apparitions etc. This dead energy is useless for creation! All we can do with this dead energy is transmute it.

This dead energy is the accumulated dead energy of unconsciousness, billions and billions of lost souls/completely destroyed spaces of love, which the high priests use to attack not only Anastasia but anyone else who is seen as a perceived threat to the survival of the dead dream conceived out-of-thin-air by the High Priest/s.

We are each given the physical gift that is the creators "tool of creation", housing our brain, to co-create a conscious-living Man/Woman, but unfortunately most of us on earth today, and going back ten thousands years, have blown "their once only opportunity" to co-create a space of love and fill their space of love with their consciousness embodied (the conscious-living information of their creation), because they did not take on the full-responsibility to co-create a conscious-living MAN. So when their tool of creation, their physical body has DIED, they die as a demon (an apparition - a thought-form) without any consciousness embodied and without ever the CONSCIOUS opportunity to access another CONSCIOUS space of love (a physical body) to co-create a conscious-living MAN. They DIED un-CONSCIOUSLY in the image of their lack of no responsibility for creating a conscious-living Man/Woman!

Joyce, there is a HELL (a dark-side) and once he/she dies in hell, its all over folks. But this dark-side has nothing to do with duality because there is no duality in creation. All that exists is creation. It was the High Priests of Ancient Egypt who came along while part of creation who imagined/invented out-of-thin-air a duality that does not exist (THE RULES OF THE DIVIDE) but this duality is not light and dark or yin and yang or alpha and omega or positive and negative etc, instead this duality is either expanding the consciousness of creation or DESTROYING (DYING) creation!

Please meditate, contemplate, focus on this information of creation I have shared freely with you and others this evening, over and over again, to expand your consciousness. There is so much more information i can share with you but then I will take many postings to fill in all the missing bits of information. As I have already written much on this subject and posted all this heartfelt inspired information in the Love For Life website, its best you take sometime out, if you want to expand your consciousness by going here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 and absorbing the helpful repetitive information found amongst many of our Love For Life postings.

The reason, the intent for Kindoms is stop the harm (the complete destruction) to the living dream created by the creator which we are all part of. If there was no destruction (no death) to the conscious-living dream there would be no need or purpose for an Anastasia, for the Ringing Cedars Books, for the Love For Life Website, for the Ringing Cedars rEvolution forum/website, for your funding/grants projects, for any of the many forms of grass roots movements taking place today based on the expansion of consciousness, etc, etc, there would be no need for all this energy/effort of love REQUIRED. We would already be living in perfect harmony with no harmful thoughts or feelings or deeds being created by MAN. But anyone who is not wearing rose coloured glasses and who has eyes to see, and ears to hear, and noses to smell, and fingers to touch, and tongues to taste, and a brain to think clearly without distortions (fairytales) getting in the way of ones focus can clearly FEEL (sense) THE TRUTH!

Love and love and more love for you Joyce
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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31st May 2009

Oh most beautiful and straightforward thinking and feeling soul of consciousness you really are. How true your comments are but please comprehend that we do point this fact out over and over again in many of other postings etc. I actually say that we are responsible for creating the fictitious person, for putting our energy into whatever we are thinking or feeling regardless if we are conscious or not of what we are putting our energy into that creates fiction-fantasyland. I am sure I mention this in the video as well a few times. There is no doubt that we are creating everything, that the high priest/s conned us into putting our focus on this/their constructs so we can project and create a world in his/their image without ever realising what we have done.

There is only so much one can remember at any given time, particularly in an interview, particularly with our lack of experience, and is why we are now focused on creating a documentary that will be split into a series of 10 minute YouTube etc videos and we will cover everything that needs to be said in smaller doses. One day we can pack new documentaries with photos, music, film etc making them more professional etc etc. Do you want to be involved in creating them with us? It seems your consciousness is part of it.

I guess by now you can feel the bigger picture of what we are feeling and aspiring too to co-create a remedy that will inspire the dead to re-enter the living world while protecting ourselves from being swamped by the red sea of dead corpses, after we have parted them (the red sea/see)/sedated there effects/their hypnotic power and control, allowing/causing the lost in a trance state to return back to Man.

Love and more hugs and sloppy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Arthur

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31st May 2009

Thanks, Arthur.

I have been able to listen to the video and am very impressed with your ability to understand and communicate what has happened to Man in our history. I agree with 99.5% of what you say. The only significant place that I feel you have failed to identify and communicate the full truth is that you give all the responsibility or power to the high priest and his constructs down through time. However, just as it is now, the high priest was only made possible because of what we had already collectively accepted - UNconsciously. Even at the very beginning, we were not led into this pathway from our collective conscious awareness. We were led through our UNconscious thoughts of of the possibility of lack and the possibility of increasing our abundance (a construct of our own). We had already slipped into a small degree of unconsciousness that the high priest simply capitalized on. He had to because we are God's Child and our thought creations must be turned into our reality. Without that collective UNconscious acceptance, no high priest could have enslaved us. No songs could have created images in our minds that caused us to act outside our own conscious desires. No individual or groups of individuals could have disconnected us from our conscious awareness of Self in the Universe.

I think you stress the victimizing role of the high priests, etc and the victim role of collective Man without addressing the unconscious opening we provided. for example there were already wars between the tribes before the high priest began his controlling patterns. We as a race had already begun slipping into unconscious patterns of believing that we could be victims of lack and that others had more than we and that we could take that from them (or have it taken from us). Anastasia's line had already been started by a woman who had abandoned her deformed newborn daughter who was born from an UNconscious intimacy with a man. Without that collective unconscious body of thought supporting the "lie" of separation from truth the high priest could not have manifested in our experience. WE are responsible for this state of affairs, NOT the high priest.

Thanks for doing the film and for sharing it. You and Fiona were both magnificent.

Blessings and Love,
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Hi ...................
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Love Arthur

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30th May 2009

Arthur,
I have tried and tried to load and listen to the two hour interview and I've been unable to do so. Do you have any suggestions for a way that I can listen to this?

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Dear Arthur, Questions On Your Ideas

2nd June 2009

Dear Arthur (And friends)

Questions on your ideas

You seem to say that the bible is a self fulfilling prophecy created by Moses – an Egyptian priest – possibly one of the high priests (Ringing cedars) – however in book 2 Anastasia seems to suggest that the Bible is not to be dismissed and that there is more to it than meets the eye. My wife read it and her interpretation was that Anastasia is giving credence to the bible ?

Whilst I think I understand what you say about fiction and the dead, your view seems quite extreme and seems to dismiss every human being and endeavour that every existed. If I take my own tradition – Judaism – there were many Jews over the years and even in our time who seemed to be quite enlightened in many ways. For example, some of the great Chassidic Rabbis were not after money at all and seemed extremely loving people going out of their way to help others. There have been artists, poets, musicians and of course many lovers of nature over the years although of course these people don’t run our world.

What do you do with the thousands of meta-physical experiences so many people report ? Healing experiences, psychic ones, stories of remembering past lives (you seem to say that we don’t reincarnate unless we live fully conscious lives) What do you think about the book ‘course in miracles ?’ Did she lie ? Did she make it all up ?

You speak about Zionists rather negatively but I know hundreds of Zionists and could probably even get to speak to the politicians in Israel if need be and I think that most of them are not in on this whole thing. They honestly believe that Zionism is a fair ideology providing Jews with a safe haven. I have just read a bit more about what you say about Jews and Zionists. The problem is that you are using the words which mean something completely different to most people who read it today. In reality there is no such thing as any distinction between people. All adjectives used to describe anyone – black, white even female and male, jew , Christian, Zionist atheist – they are all made up aren’t they ?

Have you also considered that Anastasia’s Great Grandfather was 1000 times worse than Hitler if he was indeed a priest ? And that may apply to her grandfather too ? Is that worth taking into consideration ? What would you do if you had met the great grandfather ? Is he not evil personified ? If Hitlers Great granddaughter wrote a series of books, would you not be uncomfortable and suspicious ?

My own personal issues with your writings and ideas and even with the ringing cedars is as follows. I have a very close and dear friend who seems in many ways to me to be extremely intelligent, sensitive and insightful. He is a therapist part time and is in therapy himself and has been for a while. This is because he realises that our unconscious mind has been meddled with so deeply , that it is critical to understand it if we are to move forward. He has strongly suggested that I go back into therapy at this time. One of the things we identified is that I have a powerful fear of death even though I know in my intellectual mind that ‘death is just a transition of form’ and that ‘God doesn’t condemn or punish’ etc. But I think a legacy of my past conditioning still exists and part of me is very afraid of ‘getting it wrong. And being condemned by this imaginary God.’ I have also been taught not to trust my intuition and instead to believe what others have said. This leads me into difficulty with books like Anastasia and other books (conversations with God, disappearance of the universe) whereby I read these books and find it hard to stay in my authority around them. Also I end up feeling negative towards myself as I compare myself to Anastasia or whoever.

The same applies to your material. I don’t know how to be around it. I think your intention to set up a no harm done community cannot be anything but a positive thing for you and the world. On the other hand whether I personally can or should do such a thing is a different matter. At the moment, even though I don’t feel it heals some of the dark side in my self, I have found an amazing hobby which is continually developing – speaking in public on the streets about all this stuff in an amusing and fun way but also being able to pass on deeper stuff to those people open to it and touch them deeply. (here are some youtube vids I have made recently – I hope they make you smile if nothing else! http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1C5F0FF4E4F424EC ) I have dozens of emails form people affected by what I do. And I enjoy it immensely. One of the challenges another friend has made is that completely leaving society may not be the best way to heal the world. Even Anastasia suggests that we don’t all have to leave the city. Perhaps its important for people like me to stay behind. Yet another side is that I am finding living in the city and society more and more painful. The food that we eat is crazy (I have stopped with the meat for a couple of weeks and am proud of myself for managing to do it as in the past it has proved impossible) and I have also started to try and eat fresh and raw at least until late afternoon every day. But it feels like a constant battle against the machine which is marketing the dead food all day long and I am still addicted to it. Then there is of course my whole family. My wife is very smart and intelligent and kind of gets some of what I say. But she is more than happy to live in the matrix and is only very slowly going through the ringing cedars.

She is willing to go for a major change but she wants to live in Israel ! I am not sure its possible to create a kin domain there simply because there is very little land other than very hot desert land which I don’t think I could handle. Added to which I have been brought up in the city and have got used to the life here. I don’t feel any major pull towards plants and animals although I am trying to change that.

You mention recently how difficult your childhood was. Anastasia in book 8.2 writes about the vedruss tradition in giving birth and says that if we are not brought into the world this way (which is of course the case with most of us) that we will be living in fear for all of our lives. Don’t you sometimes wonder whether your ideas might be tainted by unhealed stuff from your past ?

Back to the kids – I can’t believe I am actually PAYING MONEY to have my kids indoctrinated at these crazy schools. Thankfully our 11 year old daughter sees through most of it and comes home laughing at the rubbish they try and teach them. But part of me wants to remove them from that system entirely.

I have also considered getting stuck in with the freeman stuff but I understand what you say when you say it is still within the fiction (although I think it is actually good that there are more people waking up to it because it could accelerate the downfall of the system ?)

I was surprised to read that you haven’t read half of the Ringing Cedars series yet. In book 8.2 Anastasia seems to say that every time a man ejaculates, a spirit is created which is left in limbo and suffers greatly. Do you still have sex with Fiona ? This type of idea that she writes ends up with my feeling guilty and completely inadequate.

So you can see how complicated it all is and I am feeling very stuck.

With Love and respect and dare I say hugs too

Danny

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2nd June 2009

Hi there all I thought that I would post this link in here to see how open minded we all can be. Although I am aware that it may cop a lot of ridicule and rejection I'm sure it would make for some wholesome food for thought and contemplation. Many of you may have already read this before and it is very long and although there is a lot of disinformation and so on out there that i am truly aware of, I found a lot of what is said by this so called "Elite" or "Hidden Hand" to resonate at times in me.

Check this out here: http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

The fact that whoever has posted this stuff in a forum obviously has vast knowledge of metaphysics, quantum physics and the like implies a very high degree of intelligence to say the least. I look forward to some fruitful discussion from my Brothers and Sisters...

Much Love
Grant

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3rd June 2009

Hi Grant
One of the cornerstones (the body) of the Love For Life work is being able to recognise the clearly defined distinction between a fairytale and reality, and in doing so, being conscious of not putting our energy/power of creation into fairytales. When we prop them up, we do harm to Earth, Nature and MAN (including us) and keep us distracted from living in the real world and still oblivious to who we really are. The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce is a fairytale of many fairytales that together form the true matrix. The freedom-truth movement, the conspiracy movement, the new age movement, the channelling movement etc etc are all founded on fairytales or are severely compromised by fairytales. The 2 hour teaser video we posted recently explains some of this here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511

Please keep in brain that each thought, idea and feeling we focus on either has the substance of consciousness embodied (reality) or not. If our thoughts, feelings and ideas do not have consciousness embodied then they are imagined out-of-thin air, do not exist as part of reality, are fairytales, and do nothing to aid creation in rolling along/expanding here and now. Meaning, the fairytales are intentionally designed to destroy us (MAN) by keeping us distracted (focusing all our energy/power of creation into fairytales) so that we continue to forget who we really are.

MAN is the creator of MANS creations. With our brain acting just like a film projector in a cinema, we project whatever film (thoughts, ideas and feelings) we focus on. Our power of creation creates whatever we focus on and the image of our projection then bounces back to us. We have been recreating this world of disaster, enslavement and destruction by our fictitious "selfs" for years and years because this is what we have been focusing on. We are trained in establishment fairytales from an early age, learning to focus on the fictitious stories our parents, teachers etc (all 3rd parties), read us, learning to accept as true that which has no substance, no basis in reality, learning to accept authority figures as 3rd parties, telling us how to think, feel and act (WHAT IMAGES TO PROJECT).

As little innocent children we need 3rd parties to read us Alice In Wonderland because the real world is incapable of doing so and neither can a little child. While listening to mum, together turning the pages that unfold the fairytale, with daily, weekly, monthly, yearly repetition, we learn to fully comprehend the fictitious images of both the fairytale characters and their fairytale environment. Once we understand (under-the-standing) the fairytale we can believe in it and act it out in a state of fantasy, illusion and delusion.

Of note: the forest (of creation) has no fairytale information on offer to teach the child about Alice In Wonderland, or any other fairytale, so the child needs a brainwashed man, woman or older child (third party) to convey the fairytale. Brainwashing complete, we learn to put all our energy/power of creation into taking on the character roles of the fairytale - Spiderman, Pooh Bear, Thomas the Tank Engine - preparing ourselves for the day when we put all our energy/power of creation into taking on a character role in the fiction - Police Officer, Sheriff, Judge, Barrister, Lawyer, Politician, Minister, Accountant, Teacher, Labourer, Employee, Person, Driver, etc etc.

But it doesn't just end there because the brainwashed will accept (believe in - put their energy/power of creation into) all other kind of fairytales passed on by other establishment 3rd party strangers like ones offered in the link you provided to the "Dialogue with "Hidden Hand", Self-Proclaimed Illuminati Insider": http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html;
channelling fairytales,
cosmic/galactic fairytales,
reptilian shape-shifting fairytales,
illuminati/hidden hand/not of this world and far more powerful than the Merovingian/Rothschild 13 bloodline family fairytales,
beings from another world fairytales,
"the directives of the Law of our Creator" fairytales,
"a brief window of opportunity opens, whereby a select handful of our Family are required to make communication with our subjects, and offer you the chance to ask us any questions you would like answered" fairytales,
"it is required of me by The Law of our Creator to offer this opportunity to you at this time, though I am also bound by the Law of (planetary) Free Will and by Family Oaths, that there is only so much I am able to say" fairytales
"Rules define life in games" fairytales etc etc etc etc

and the bullshit just continues on and on and on and on and, while the establishment keep thinking about all the suckers they are conning, they are laughing their heads off, enjoying the cream of our labour as they sit in their comfortable leather chairs in front of their roaring fires.

I stopped reading the above posting after 10 minutes or so because I felt it was just more bullshit fairytales being dished up by the establishment. Again we have a 3rd party conveying the invisible fairytale he/she peddles. Where is the substance (the consciousness) to back the fairytale? Notice the subtle flattery - "this is only for those who already know about us, not for mainstream." Notice the attempt to keep us focused on end-time prophecies to make sure we keep focusing on and creating that scenario.

The adult fairytales that we accept tell us that if we just try a little harder, put a little more energy in, we will be able to achieve the life we dream of - money, house, happy family, nice holidays, whereas, in reality, very few achieve lives of real financial comfort and those who do always do it at the expense of someone else (that's the way the system is designed). Alongside the "life of comfort" fairytale are the hundreds of thousands of other fairytales like the above forum article to distract us from ever thinking too hard about what life is really all about and what on earth we are doing running around working our arses off all for the benefit of the very few at the very top!

We don't need man-made con-structs like geometry/sacred geometry, mathematics, compass, square, ruler and angle etc to design our children before we create them because we already have all this in our consciousness. Do you know anyone who does this? So why do we need to destroy our consciousness by creating con-structs like geometry/sacred geometry, mathematics, compass, square, ruler and angle etc to create the "Rules Of The Divide" that destroys our consciousness. By putting our energy/power of creation into these man-made con-structs we are destroying the real world and even worse, we are forgetting who we really are. MAN feels a table and the consciousness of MANS feelings and thoughts (using his/her brain/tool of creation) creates the table. We don't need a compass, square, ruler etc to create a table!

The creator has no need for quantum physics or metaphysics to create creation because they already exist in our (MANS - THE CREATORS) consciousness so why do we need to put our energy/power of creation into any man-made "Rules Of The Divide" that cause us to ignore our consciousness (the true essence of who we really are). Love is consciousness. It is who we really are. How can we bring consciousness back into the world, back into focus, when we are forsaking love? We should be focusing on expanding our consciousness, not putting all our energy/power of creation into a zillion and one man-made con-structs such as quantum physics and metaphysics which cause us to fall from consciousness into a state of unconsciousness, of adult fairytales, where we spend our lives cutting, dissecting, examining and destroying creation because we have lost all sense of connection with everything embodied with consciousness.

Both the "Rules Of The Divide" and everything constructed out of them are fairytales! Almost the whole story sold by this supposed Illuminati insider is a fairytale constructed out of many "Rules Of The Divide". Its nearly all based on bullshit regardless of whatever truths are intermingled amongst it. Pure white is no longer pure white when the colour is mixed with grey or black!

It is VITAL that we learn to recognise fiction from reality because if we can't, we (fallen Man) will forever be trapped and destroyed by whatever fairytale ("Rules Of The Divide") we focus on. The establishment fairytales are full of truths that resonate with us, causing us to accept the lies thrown in amongst them. While the truth can never harm us, the lies destroy everything they come into contact with.

Remember, the time spent on fairytales is time spent away from remembering who we really are and time spent away from co-creating with creation.

The men and women of the establishment are already destroyed and can only destroy. Even if they laid themselves bare, gave us all their names, admitted all their evil deeds and told us all their plans, we would still be destroying our creation of MAN because we would still be focusing on their fairytale and not on co-creation! They would still be achieving their aims!

The sun goes around earth (around MAN): http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3455 Though we are educated (brainwashed) into seeing the world differently, its plainly obvious that everything we see in space goes around MAN because it is MAN who creates EVERYTHING we see and experience. Its time to ignore all establishment fairytales and put all our energy/power of creation into reality.

Love & blessings
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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6th June 2009

Thanks for the reply Danny, quite mind blowing isn't it. Even if for just ponderance. I try to keep an open mind and never let my beliefs be so strong and steadfast as to let new knowledge bounce off my hardened perceptions without first acknowledging it. I do not think or believe for one second that any one of us does have the whole truth or knows it all.

Arthur, there are a lot of advantages in having an open mind and although I respect the way you choose to think/feel/believe I do believe that you highlighted one thing that we don't have in common straight off the bat when you said "I stopped reading the above posting after 10 minutes or so". I feel that any comments after something like this being said about any topic is quite closed minded and reflects a mindset and belief system that cannot be open in anyway (and that is not personally towards you either Arthur, I mean in any setting/any topic). There were plenty of points that you and I have actually discussed in the past in this dialogue that i feel you would agree with, like perhaps "Niburu" but just maybe the parts that you may have agreed with were tucked away somewhere after the ten minute mark.

Thanks for the contribution anyway and I hope I can find other bits and pieces that some of you can find interesting and look forward to hearing more. Peace and Love to you all and Danny, fantastic job on the videos too. I have been thinking of making more and more videos to put on youtube and have some great ideas. Here is one that a friend caught a fair way into it. This instance is quite hard to hear at times due to intoxicated people around but enjoy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTmHcSwK29M I'd love if we can all share lil videos for inspiration.
Cheers!

Grant

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4th June 2009

Hi Grant, (= most of us are so immersed in the brain-dead matrix, that anything CONtrary to that PROGRAMMING is thought of being "STRANGE" or at least, uncomfortable! That is fu..ing GREAT!!!

The ones who know, or FEEL the TRUTH, are the ones who have been FU..ED OVER by the system,which most of us support, mostly unknowingly! B/C someone knows the deceptions of that matrix, and or FICTION, and tries to warn others who are still HYPNOTIZED, like yourself, (to a degree) and MANY others... see 90 something %, doesn't mean it is NOT the truth. IT MEANS ...... WAKE THE F..K UP!!! lol

These are the ones who know the BULLSHIrTERS, and save a lot of time by knowing that it is OK to STOP "reading after 10 mins."and DON'T waste any more of their valuable time. THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, to anyone with a semblance of any FREE-THINKING ability, or INTUITIVE knowing.

When people STOP worrying about what other dumbed-down DRONES/CATTLE think about them, that is one of the 1st steps to RECOVERY, sovereignty and, or freedom. It helps to be over 50, and to be out of the "arena" of COMPETITION! LOL

There was a time when the elders were respected for their WISDOM, before the DUMBING DOWN.

Arthur and Fiona, IMO, are LIGHT YEARS ahead of the DRONE- pack!

Is this why most of this is so "NEW" to you, and so many others?

When it becomes common knowledge, who will say "I knew it all along"?

NOT ME.... I KNEW IT BEFORE I WAS BORN! (= Nick.

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4th June 2009

Thanks for that Nick,
I conditionally accept your offer of being hypnotized (to a degree) upon proof of claim that all this is new to me and that you have first hand personal knowledge of these facts.

For such a knowledgeable and spiritual being that you seem to be (only in my opinion) you sure are quick to judge. Your support for Arthur and Fiona (along with mine) is great to see and I must add that in my time I have met many more people over 50 that are asleep and seem impossible to wake up than people of a younger generation, I know technology like the net, information available and other things have played a big part in this.

I am happy to continue my loyal friendship to Arthur and have defended him in many forums in the past.

As i previously stated, I love to see your loyal support to the Cristians also and praise you for that.

It constantly amazes me to see the amount of people waking up these days and I play the biggest part I can in that process, sorry that in your humble opinion I am young, new to this stuff and obviously half asleep and on the wrong path.

Peace and Love to you Nick

I wish you the best in your quest of truth and growth.

Grant

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5th June 2009

Reply from Nick to Grant.

My reply in all CAPS

Thanks for that Nick, I conditionally accept your offer of being hypnotized (to a degree)

THANK YOU, GRANT!!! WHEN I SNAP MY FINGERS YOU WILL WAKE UP, AND DO ALL MY BIDDING, UNQUESTIONALLY! (=

upon proof of claim that all this is new to me and that you have first hand personal knowledge of these facts.

YES, SO TRUE!!! AND I WILL ACCEPT YOUR OFFER THAT I AM BETTER THAN YOU! LOL

For such a knowledgeable and spiritual being that you seem to be (only in my opinion) you sure are quick to judge.

YOU PLAY YOUR "JUDGEMENT CARD" TOO FAST!!! IT IS GOOD TO SAVE IT FOR WHEN THE STAKES ARE HIGHER, LATER IN THE GAME, YOUNG FELLER! LOL

Your support for Arthur and Fiona (along with mine) is great to see and I must add that in my time I have met many more people over 50 that are asleep and seem impossible to wake up than

YOU CAN'T TEACH OLD DOGS NEW TRICKS! (;

people of a younger generation,

YOU MEAN THE YOUNG ONES WHO DON'T THINK ABOUT GETTING LAID 25 HRS. A DAY??? LOL

I know technology like the net, information available and other things have played a big part in this. I am happy to continue my loyal friendship to Arthur and have defended him in many forums in the past.

WHICH FORUMS? I WANT TO GO ON THEM AND KICK SOME NEW AGE BUTT,TOO!!!

As i previously stated, I love to see your loyal support to the Cristians also and praise you for that.

DON'T REPEAT YERSELF.... DON'T REPEAT YERSELF!!! LOL

It constantly amazes me to see the amount of people waking up these days

WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY???? SEND SOME OVER MY WAY, WILYA!!! (=

and I play the biggest part I can in that process, sorry that in your humble opinion I am young,

IT'S WAY TOO LATE TO APOLOGIZE!!!! LOL

new to this stuff and obviously half asleep and on the wrong path.

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE!!! LOL WE ARE FINALLY STARTING TO SEE EYE TO EYE!!! LOL

Peace and Love to you Nick

PEACE LOVE DOVE AND ALL THAT NEW AGE DRUGGED OUT OF THEIR MINDS CRAP BACK AT YA!!! LOL

I wish you the best in your quest of truth and growth.

THANK YOU , I AM GLAD I CUD BE OF SERVICE TO YOU...GLASSHOPPER!!! (;

NICK

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5th June 2009

Dear Grant,
The reason I stop reading after 10 minutes is that I am focused on remedy and applying remedy (to walk-the-talk that gets us out of this fictitious nightmare/fairytale/matrix/brainwashing/lies) and this illuminati forum correspondence sure doesn't contain any remedy to apply! If this is actually true (and there is a very, very tiny chance of that), so what? Men and women have been researching The Illuminati, The Hidden Hand, The Jesuits, The Freemasons, The Knights Templers, The Black Nobility, The Merovingians, The Jews, The Zionists, etc, etc, etc, for stacks of years and what good has it done? Where is our (MANS) true freedom, peace, love and abundance for all HERE AND NOW?

Its essential that we become conscious of the fictitious films we are scanning so that we can all-together opt out of the fictitious cinema of our own self-projections and change the fictitious film to one of remedy (of love).

Consciousness is the body of MAN, is the body of creation (of the real world), and every conscious thought, feeling and deed we (MAN) create as a gift of love for the benefit of everything of consciousness/creation (the real world) bounces back to us from the stars, the sun, the moon and all the rest of creation (the real world), just as the gifts of love created by the rest of creation (the real world) bounce off us back to the creators of those gifts of love. This is how we nourish and sustain ALL of creation (the real world), rather than just a fictitious few at the top.

All relationships die when the energy/power of creation (love) has stopped being put into them. So our relationship to creation (to consciousness) fades away and dies when we unconsciously stop serving (putting our energy/power of creation into) the body of creation. If we don't love the real world by creating thoughts, feelings and ideas as gifts (acts of love) to benefit creation (the real world), there is nothing to bounce back to us from the body of creation (the real world) because we are not consciously thinking and feeling for the benefit of the body of creation (the real world anymore) anymore.

The real world is presently fading away all around us because we are not consciously creating (thinking and feeling) acts of love (gifts) to benefit the real world. I explain more about "THE FALL" of MAN here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6566#comment-1406 - While we are putting our energy/power of creation into CON-structs like The "Dialogue with "Hidden Hand", Self-Proclaimed Illuminati Insider" the real world is fading away, meaning, who we really are is fading away to be forgotten about because we are just too busy being unconscious putting our energy/power of creation into fairytales. If MAN (the real MAN) does not think and feel MAN in the real world, MAN and MANS real world will fade away and be no more. We will be left with dead (unconscious) men and women in a dead (unconscious) world. How long do you think we will last on this present course? Is this what you want for all of us?

The cinema we need to opt out of is called our SELVES. It is where we spend our waking time as INDIVIDUALS (IN-DIVIDE-YOU-ALL), all separated from each other, putting our energy/power of creation into fallen-man-made thoughts, ideas and feelings (projections) that are all about our SELVES and that ONLY reflect/bounce back to us as a MIRROR of our own SELFISH projections. The intent behind our selfish thoughts, ideas and feelings is for our own benefit, rather than for the benefit of others, of creation, of consciousness. These fictitious ideas, feelings and thoughts cannot bounce off the conscious-living world of creation, they can only bounce off the unconscious-non-living-dead world of fiction, thus maintaining the dead world of fiction, of unconsciousness.

As Individuals (the SELVES) we spend all our waking-time self-indulging (bathing) in the glory of our accumulated fallen-man-made knowledge, creating for our-selves the glorified fictitious intellect, the fictitious ego and the fictitious mind which are all one and the same and are all of fallen-man-made knowledge invented/imagined out-of-thin-air. The SELF is the phantom person, strawman, agent-in-commerce we have constructed out-of-thin-air, our person-ality in the fairytale.

The SELF is an APPARITION without the embodiment of consciousness (thoughts, ideas and feelings intended/created for the benefit of creation), created to prop up the apparition that is The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce (the fairytale) governed and administered by the authorised representatives of "The Crown", the copyright holder of the idea (the intellectual proprietary knowledge) of civilisation (of any fictitious civilisation), of the dead world of dead men, women and children.

Just as there is a copyright holder (the right of copy) of the idea that is Harry Potter or Lord Of The Rings, including all the books/stories, characters, location/environment, films, merchandise, photographs, etc, so there is a copyright holder ("The Crown") of every aspect of the Western World Civilisation of Commerce that we are brainwashed into (educated) from an early age. As everyone around us is already brainwashed into serving (RENTING - COPYING - MEMORISING - TRADING) the fictitious dead-corpse world of civilisation, we are easily conned into creating a fictitious person (a self) that is a copy-righted character owned and controlled by "The Crown" acting in the copyrighted Western World Civilisation Of Commerce.

The "Dialogue with "Hidden Hand", Self-Proclaimed Illuminati Insider" is all part of this copyright "intellectual proprietary knowledge".

Why do I need to waste my time on (RENTING - COPYING - MEMORISING - TRADING) more intellectual proprietary knowledge of the copyright holder of the Western World Civilisation of Commerce when it has nothing to offer in the way of remedy? Why do I need to draw "The Crown" further into my life by renting (copying/trading) its copyright? I already know that the remedy we need cannot be found in the intellectual proprietary knowledge of the copyright holder of the Western World Civilisation of Commerce so I am not interested in spending my energy/power of creation on it to prop it up. And yes, I am presently compromised as most of us still are!

This is the problem with all the freedom truth/conspiracy movements etc; they never get anywhere because they are all bound to (RENTING - COPYING - MEMORISING - TRADING) the CON-structs of "The Crown" and keep us all acting out our SELFISH person-alities in the fairytale. Now we have "Foundations" and David Wynn Miller's "Claim of Life" as another faze in the struggle of unconscious men and women seeking their true freedom but how can this be when these CON-structs are just more of the same bullshit. They are not to be found in creation (in reality - in the real world), only in the Western World Civilisation of Commerce, and therefore can never give us true remedy. How can a "foundation" bounce back consciousness? Or a "Claim of Life"? How can we co-create (form) a real relationship with a "foundation" or a "claim of life"? They are just another chapter in the long line of CON-structs to bamboozle us into continuing to put our energy/power of creation into the fairytale (the dead world). While we are still acting in the fairytale (the dead world), we are admitting that we are not strong enough (not conscious) as MAN (the real MAN in the real world) to do without the fairytale (the dead world).

Yes, we are all still in the fiction and yes, if someone comes along with buckalaros to buy a big piece of land, we will use the fiction to step out of the fiction BUT we have to be aware that, when we do this, we are still acquiescing to the fairytale. None of it would be needed if we came together in large enough numbers to serve one another by creating gifts that benefit one another so that we all have everything that we need. (This is what The Establishment does not want us to remember - who we really are and the real world we create because if we did the fairytale would no longer be propped up.)

Sure, we need to REALLY know what's happening out there but, now we know (the brainwashing), can we please move into the remedy?

There will be plenty of truths in their "Dialogue with "Hidden Hand", Self-Proclaimed Illuminati Insider", just like there are in the Bible, all religious, philosophical, New Age, cosmic/galactic, channelling etc books. However, the lies interlaced with the truths cause all the destruction that render the truths useless, unless we can untangle them from the lies. As said many times, this is sophistry, or the "James Bond" syndrome, slipping the lies in just as you might slip James Bond into the compound in the boot of your car. Once in, he can destroy and destroy, just like the lies. In this case the destruction comes in the forms of distraction. The game is all about keeping us distracted from remembering who we really are because if we do, we give up our fictitious SELVES which stops us being self-centered individuals, which causes the fairytale that is the western world civilisation of commerce to completely fade away and die.

Who we really are is co-creators of acts of love (consciousness) that we breathe out, give freely as gifts for the benefit of all of creation, while we breathe in the acts of love (the gifts - consciousness) given freely by the rest of creation. All the time spent admiring the brilliant dead-corpse intellect of whoever wrote this, discussing the depth of man-made knowledge (invented out-of-thin-air) displayed, mulling over the details of the "plans" revealed, feeling pleased that we are one of the few who is "ready" to read this document, etc, etc, etc, is time NOT spent creating acts of love (gifts) that benefit all of creation. This (the creator of gifts) is who we really are so, why are we bothering with something that has nothing to do with creating acts of love that benefit all of creation? Is this not what "they" want? Can they not continue pushing ahead with their agenda while we are distracted by this article? Are we still not using all their fictitious goods and services and propping them up while we read this article and discuss it?

If you know that fast food is dead food, do you keep eating it? We already know that the The Establishment, or who ever they really are behind their constantly shifting smoke screens, have all the power and control in the fiction, have us all under their spell while we put our energy/power of creation into the fiction, have their plans to usher in the New World Order while we worship their fiction and follow it as stupid-dumbed-down-sheeple, etc, etc, etc, so how is reading this going to help me find and apply the remedy? I also know that they are endlessly creative in their creation of distraction after distraction to keep us from remembering who we really are and that we don't have to live lives of enslavement and that we can co-create paradise on earth.

When we all turn away and create our acts of love (gifts) in the form of helping each other build our homes and gardens, what use will this article be? If we all ignore it, it will not become a distraction and will not keep us from co-creating the beautiful world we all dream of.

I have been searching for the truth and the remedy to our woes since I was 14/15 (1971/72), reading book after book after book (many thousands of them) along with many, many real-life experiences along the way, and I'm now nearly 52. What today is seen as the norm, I was doing most of it more than 30 years ago. You don't know my background and what I've done/experienced. Over the years, my bullshit detector has been finely tuned, along with my comprehension of the tactics of the dark side. Thus, it doesn't take me long too hear the bells ringing and realise that this is just another distraction to keep us focused on the dark side, putting our energy into the dark side, supporting the dark side and NOT putting our energy into focusing on the remedy, supporting the remedy, CO-CREATING the remedy!

I am not into putting my energy into a mind, closed or not, instead I am into expanding consciousness.

Remember, "The Dark-Side (the mind) Is Where Consciousness Once Was"!

Conscious Love Always,
Arthur Cristian

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5th June 2009

Thanks Arthur - thats clear (still a bit verbose but clear) !!

Danny

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5th June 2009

Arthur, I get a certain feeling when reading your posts. The feeling is not an uplifting one and perhaps it is triggering a sadness and frustration inside of me that maybe is being reflected and projected from you. I also find it hard to stand in my authority when you write because although you speak about beliefs saying they contain lies, it seems like you are coming form a very strongly held set of beliefs. For example, you seem to have a belief that people NEED to be woken up. You seem to believe that there needs to be a remedy. But do they and does there ?

Secondly, regarding remedy, whilst I agree that kin domains are a beautiful remedy (potentially although I still have many questions about them - i spoke to a dear friend yesterday who told me that 30 years ago in South Africa there was a reality tv programme where they took 30 people and stuck them in a forest with materials and food etc and it all split up because egos surfaced) I also think that certain metaphysical ideas about love (some of which are mentioned in ringing cedars) are also part of the remedy.

Danny

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Rules Of This House

9th June 2009

In reply to Dear Arthur, Questions On Your Ideas by Danny (see above comments) 2nd June 2009: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6566#comment-1412

Hello Danny
We admire the courage, honesty and sincerity you apply to spelling out how life really is for you. Its not often we meet someone who is not surviving through a looking good persona to hide whatever deeply felt inadequacies they believe they have, or the serious damage done to them. We have watched your YouTube videos - fantastic, fantastic, fantastic! A great laugh and really hitting home on a lot of points.

As your questions are so many, we are replying in the body of your email. See this coloured text.

What it really comes down to is taking full-responsibility for what we are creating and taking full-responsibility for the mess we have all contributed to. You are welcome to ring us or arrange a time for us to ring you so we can have a chat.

Lots of love and admiration from

Arthur and Fiona
Love For Life

Danny Shine wrote:

Dear Arthur (And friends)

Questions on your ideas

You seem to say that the bible is a self fulfilling prophecy created by Moses – an Egyptian priest – possibly one of the high priests (Ringing cedars) – however in book 2 Anastasia seems to suggest that the Bible is not to be dismissed and that there is more to it than meets the eye. My wife read it and her interpretation was that Anastasia is giving credence to the bible ?

Yes, the Bible carries many heavy-duty payloads of self-destruction in the form of self-fulfilling prophecies. What WE (billions of men, women and children) believe in, have faith in and have opinions about are IMAGES (thoughts, ideas, feelings) which WE focus on and therefore project (create). With our brain trained to focus all its energy/power of creation into these IMAGES, WE create (project) the self-fulfilling-life-experiences in the IMAGE of our focus. Its just like blowing air into a balloon to blow it up - the balloon is the idea and the blowing up is our experience. The balloon is a dream that is a space of love and the blowing up is the creation/the expansion/the experience of this conscious-living space of love (dream) we are putting our energy/power of creation into.

When attuned to consciousness, we are co-creating creation (the real world) HERE AND NOW as co-creators of creation (real men, women and children serving each other in the real world). Everything goes wrong for Man when we forsake/ignore/rebel-against consciousness (love) by putting our energy/power of creation into any thought, idea or feeling that is without consciousness embodied. It is this area that has been our greatest challenge to explain and demonstrate; what thoughts, ideas and feelings without consciousness embodied are, how to detect them and how to cause them to fade away until they no longer exist. Its clear to us that unless we can inspire others to awaken from their deep sleep state of unconsciousness, they will never recognise darkness, therefore, they will continually put their energy/power of creation into fairytales which sabotage consciousness so we become incapable of co-creating peaceful, loving, do no harm communities, full of abundance, with each other.

The fiction is so ingrained in our everyday lives today that almost everyone thinks that fiction is a "normal" part of reality. Its like thinking that grey and black mixed into pure bright white is still a pure bright white colour. We have been so dumbed down and brainwashed that we think Christians, Jews, Muslims exist as part of reality, part of "the norms", that we are naturally born a Christian, Jew or Muslim. That The Bible, The Torah, The Talmud, The Koran are normal parts/aspects of creation, part of God, part of Man, part of reality. We say that no child is ever naturally born a Christian, Jew or Muslim, instead we say that babies are hijacked from the cradle, brainwashed into becoming (believing they are) a Christian, Jew or Muslim.

To change the world for the better WE only need to change the IMAGES we are focusing on. This is why I keep saying "Take Care Of Love (the images of love) And Love Takes Care Of Everything Else". If WE all put our energy/power of creation ONLY into images that are acts of love (gifts) that benefit others/everyone including Earth and Nature, WITHOUT DOING HARM OR SUPPORTING HARM, all forms of harm doing will disappear forevermore. Lets together co-create a space of love that IS the conscious-living dream of paradise, where we (MAN) are putting all our energy/power of creation into paradise (MAN, Earth, Nature) HERE AND NOW. Its time to stop putting our energy/power of creation into fairytales.

We never mentioned that Moses is one of the high priests. Moses is more than likely a fairytale, a distortion of a true story.

There is a lot of truth in the bible and there are a lot of lies in the bible. The problem is that, when people believe the truths, because they feel the truth of them, they also accept the lies (the fairytales) which destroy all the goodness of the truths! This is classic establishment tactics - supply the truths that resonate but slip in the lies that destroy. Anastasia does talk about things in the bible - the truths- but we feel that Anastasia also works very hard to fit her message into an "easily comprehensible" format so that she does not alienate people. For instance she refers to "The Father", but, from Arthur's experience, and from logic, the Creator is both male and female (androgynous). Also, Vladimir wrote the books and, while he faithfully represented what she has to say, we have to remember that he is still largely unaware of the fairytale (or was when he wrote the books) and therefore can only write within the paradigm he gets.

The Bible exists ONLY for the fictitious man-made civilisation (the fairytale) to keep men, women and children trapped/bound to this matrix. The Bible does not exist for conscious-living MAN living in/co-creating the real world here and now. The Bible has no consciousness embodied in it after destroying/altering/manipulating/distorting conscious-living trees, plants, soil, insects, creatures, minerals etc, removing the consciousness (the living DNA) out of these life-forms, inanimate or not, manufacturing them into dead corpse materials to create Bibles.

The Bible IS DEAD.

Instead of letting flowers communicate all their information (consciousness) of their creation to us (from seeds to blossoms) to expand our (MANS) consciousness (information) of creation, we take the fallen-man-made education (knowledge/brainwashing) we received and we place it on the plants/flowers to tell us all about the plants and flowers which blocks out (blunts) all the information (consciousness) of the flowers/plants creation being shared freely with us (MAN) to expand our consciousness. When you see how extensive the fictitious man-made knowledge really is, which covers/blankets/blocks out all aspects of true-connection with the real world of creation, you can easily see what is the true purpose behind the manufacturing of fictitious books like Bibles, history books, fictitious religions, education, advertising, courses and careers, sports, fashion, drugs, alcohol, chemicals, poisons, cooked food and water etc etc and having them forced on/into all our growing children. The Establishment do not want us to remember who we really are!

Whilst I think I understand what you say about fiction and the dead, your view seems quite extreme and seems to dismiss every human being and endeavour that every existed. If I take my own tradition – Judaism – there were many Jews over the years and even in our time who seemed to be quite enlightened in many ways. For example, some of the great Chassidic Rabbis were not after money at all and seemed extremely loving people going out of their way to help others. There have been artists, poets, musicians and of course many lovers of nature over the years although of course these people don’t run our world.

Absolutely, there are many loving men and women who have devoted their lives to serving others and who have made a difference to the lives of many others. Imagine if we all did this!. The point is, even those wonderful men and women are still operating within the fairytale and therefore, still propping it up so they are compromised and the information of their creation (consciousness) is severely diluted. Notice that the establishment reigns supreme despite the endeavours of these men and women. However sincere their attempts to help others, they were, like the rest of us, still propping up the fiction that teaches us all to destroy ourselves and the living world of the creator. The establishment and their world will only go away when we stop supporting it.

What do you do with the thousands of meta-physical experiences so many people report ? Healing experiences, psychic ones, stories of remembering past lives (you seem to say that we don’t reincarnate unless we live fully conscious lives) What do you think about the book ‘course in miracles ?’ Did she lie ? Did she make it all up ?

Remember - the information of consciousness is available for all of us to access all of the time. So are all the thoughts and feelings we create that are not of consciousness. Therefore, we can tap into either side at any time. Many of the lost create demons and apparitions when they die and are available to be experienced, hence most, if not all, channellings, psychic phenomena, memories of past lives etc. This is the world of the occult for you - most of it created by our beliefs, encouraged by the establishment because, when we turn to the occult for answers, we are looking for someone else to solve our problems for us rather than taking full-responsibility ourselves. Arthur read A Course in Miracles when he was 18. It is kind of a touchy, feely, New Age bible FAIRYTALE. Lots of truths but lots of lies which the author is almost certainly unaware of and that are the result of her own establishment brainwashing and whatever demons are working through her fictitious MIND.

You speak about Zionists rather negatively but I know hundreds of Zionists and could probably even get to speak to the politicians in Israel if need be and I think that most of them are not in on this whole thing. They honestly believe that Zionism is a fair ideology providing Jews with a safe haven. I have just read a bit more about what you say about Jews and Zionists. The problem is that you are using the words which mean something completely different to most people who read it today. In reality there is no such thing as any distinction between people. All adjectives used to describe anyone – black, white even female and male, jew , Christian, Zionist atheist – they are all made up aren’t they ?

You are right - we are all just MAN and all the establishment invented labels (RULES OF THE DIVIDE) you mention are part of their divide-and-rule tactic. As Anastasia says, the Jews were invented (remember the letter "J" did not exist until the 1500's and it was invented by professional French Judeo-Judaic legals/barristers/draftsmen of law as part of the New World Language of English) as scapegoats to hide the machinations of the establishment.

When I refer to Zionists, I am talking about those establishment members (ARYAN Bloodlines/descendants of the ruling establishment of Ancient Egypt) who are in on the whole scam and are really the black magic warlocks/witches and magicians using sacrifice and rituals to maintain the dark energy they feed off which gives them all their power over billions of sheeple. The establishment plan for this so-called "end-time" includes the destruction of the state of Israel. With the planned hegelian dialectic destruction of IS RA EL comes the establishment order out of the chaos REMEDY "on offer" for a NWO.

All Jews are ALL BEING USED (CONNED) by THE ESTABLISHMENT OF FALLEN MANS TRUE FREEMASONRY. This Golden Age the establishment of fallen mans true freemasonry planned for, the next 1000 years, is a commercialised Christianised NWO civilisation without Jews, Arabs, Buddhists etc. And yes, all bible believing Christians are being used as well as are Muslims etc. In the real world of creation there is no such thing as a Jew or Arab or Muslim or Buddhist or Atheist etc etc. We are MAN snatched from the cradle and, without full disclosure provided, brainwashed into fictitious man-made constructs. In a growing expanding state of unconsciousness, completely oblivious of who we really are, we are tricked into putting all our energy/power of creation into these beliefs, of our creation, to CON-truct (the structures of the con) THE RULES OF THE DIVIDE, and then, we are the willing cogs in the wheel of the machine of CHAOS that runs over/destroys all of us, exactly as dreamt by the high priest.

Bringing ORDER (remedy) out of the chaos, of our stupid dumbed-down making, provides all the power to the establishment. We are putting all our energy/power of creation into the establishment remedy which causes us to give all our power away to the establishment. We are permitting establishment 3rd parties, governing and administering the fairytale, to continue ruling us with all their might.

Have you also considered that Anastasia’s Great Grandfather was 1000 times worse than Hitler if he was indeed a priest? And that may apply to her grandfather too? Is that worth taking into consideration? What would you do if you had met the great grandfather ? Is he not evil personified ? If Hitlers Great granddaughter wrote a series of books, would you not be uncomfortable and suspicious ?

If we met him we would talk to him! He may have been there at the beginning, when the power of imagery was taught to the priests, but this does not mean he wanted to use it for evil. Or perhaps he did and then realised the error of his ways - who knows? He and his son have brought Anastasia up to be a fully conscious woman incapable of doing harm because of her awareness of creation, so he has obviously done something right! It would be interesting to find out more but Anastasia doesn't tell us more. Should we believe Anastasia? No. We should work things out for ourselves. Personally, I feel that her great grandfather was one of the original six priests.

For us, the Anastasia books confirmed a lot of what we had already been feeling as well as adding more pieces to the puzzle. Should we condemn her because of her great-grandfather? Would you like to be judged upon the actions of your great-grandfather? Its important to keep remembering that we are MAN and MAN is not separated to MAN, that the consciousness of MAN is the consciousness of the creator of MAN, is your consciousness, is my consciousness and is everyones consciousness, if we can remember this/who we really are.

My own personal issues with your writings and ideas and even with the ringing cedars is as follows. I have a very close and dear friend who seems in many ways to me to be extremely intelligent, sensitive and insightful. He is a therapist part time and is in therapy himself and has been for a while. This is because he realises that our unconscious mind has been meddled with so deeply , that it is critical to understand it if we are to move forward. He has strongly suggested that I go back into therapy at this time. One of the things we identified is that I have a powerful fear of death even though I know in my intellectual mind that ‘death is just a transition of form’ and that ‘God doesn’t condemn or punish’ etc. But I think a legacy of my past conditioning still exists and part of me is very afraid of ‘getting it wrong. And being condemned by this imaginary God.’ I have also been taught not to trust my intuition and instead to believe what others have said. This leads me into difficulty with books like Anastasia and other books (conversations with God, disappearance of the universe) whereby I read these books and find it hard to stay in my authority around them. Also I end up feeling negative towards myself as I compare myself to Anastasia or whoever.

The problem with therapy is that it is more self-centredness, thinking about ourselves rather than rolling our sleeves up to fix the problems we have all caused. That said, it is also vital to recognise how we have been brainwashed so that we can de-program ourselves. You seem to be getting clear about how you react to different things and why and this awareness can only help you see your way through the fog. We are not all Anastasia and should not all be Anastasia.

We all have roles to play and you seem to have found part of yours through the videos you are creating. Besides being vey funny, you are doing something to wake people up to the absurdity of the dead-world we are supporting and that can only be for the good. We are contacted by many, many men and women who are concerned about what is happening but, because they "don't know what to do", they do nothing other than research and take part in email forums. You, however, have found something you are good at and you are out there doing it. How great is that? I'm sure Anastasia would be greatly applauding your efforts too. She never says we should all be like her. We are UNIQUE if only we take the time to remember that and stop looking for someone else to tell us how to think, feel and act.

Again, its all about taking full-responsibility for everything we think, feel and do.

The same applies to your material. I don’t know how to be around it. I think your intention to set up a no harm done community cannot be anything but a positive thing for you and the world. On the other hand whether I personally can or should do such a thing is a different matter. At the moment, even though I don’t feel it heals some of the dark side in my self, I have found an amazing hobby which is continually developing – speaking in public on the streets about all this stuff in an amusing and fun way but also being able to pass on deeper stuff to those people open to it and touch them deeply. (here are some youtube vids I have made recently – I hope they make you smile if nothing else! See: Video Comedy: EVERYTHING IS OK, Danny Shine & Charlie Veitch Go To St Paul's Cathedral London Stock Exchange & Bank Of England: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6601 ) I have dozens of emails form people affected by what I do. And I enjoy it immensely.

One of the challenges another friend has made is that completely leaving society may not be the best way to heal the world. Even Anastasia suggests that we don’t all have to leave the city. Perhaps its important for people like me to stay behind. Yet another side is that I am finding living in the city and society more and more painful. The food that we eat is crazy (I have stopped with the meat for a couple of weeks and am proud of myself for managing to do it as in the past it has proved impossible) and I have also started to try and eat fresh and raw at least until late afternoon every day. But it feels like a constant battle against the machine which is marketing the dead food all day long and I am still addicted to it. Then there is of course my whole family. My wife is very smart and intelligent and kind of gets some of what I say. But she is more than happy to live in the matrix and is only very slowly going through the ringing cedars.

She is willing to go for a major change but she wants to live in Israel ! I am not sure its possible to create a kin domain there simply because there is very little land other than very hot desert land which I don’t think I could handle. Added to which I have been brought up in the city and have got used to the life here. I don’t feel any major pull towards plants and animals although I am trying to change that.

Your honesty is what will get you through all this - you are not trying to pretend things are different for you than they are, which means you have a chance to feel your REAL way through. When you are unsure about lots of things, it is best to go with what feels right and good for you. You are already doing this through your videos. Keep them up as long as it feels right and you may be amazed at where they lead you. You are right about not everyone leaving the city. The people there need to be woken up and the mess there cleaned up. Green spaces need to be claimed so that the men and women who live there can create gardens etc. See the description of what happens to St Petersburg.

Congratulations on the efforts you are making to eat more raw, living food. It is hard because cooked food IS addictive and we still fall off the wagon and notice the after effects. Danny, so many of your worries seem to be about the what ifs and the future. Allow yourself and your family to go through what you are all going through. It is part of the painful yet joyous awakening to who you really are and what life is really all about. Concentrate on what is happening now, keep doing what feels right for you now. We cannot control everything that happens in our lives, only be flexible to create with what happens to us and what we create. Therein lies our choice - create for creation or the establishment. And none of us are creating wholly for creation, we still all create for the establishment too so there is no need to be hard on ourselves because we haven't weaned ourselves out of the fiction yet. A lot of Ringing Cedars readers think that the answer is to go and create a mini-paradise somewhere but they are forgetting that we all have the responsibility to clean up the mess too. They are leaving it for others to do it for them. Anastasia points this out but they conveniently block that bit!

You will no longer feel crazy when you are surrounded by others who have also woken up to the insanity of this world. This is another reason we need community; so we are no longer isolated. I say that I am normal and everyone else is crazy! Which is actually true when you are showing people the way to freedom and they are fighting as hard as they can to remain enslaved!

You mention recently how difficult your childhood was. Anastasia in book 8.2 writes about the vedruss tradition in giving birth and says that if we are not brought into the world this way (which is of course the case with most of us) that we will be living in fear for all of our lives. Don’t you sometimes wonder whether your ideas might be tainted by unhealed stuff from your past ? I am conscious of what I think and feel and as I take full responsibility I do not let my horrific childhood/past get in the way of truth.

I am conscious of not putting energy into a fictitious ego/self/person/intellect/mind to prop up for self-centered gratifications. I do not want to survive life out of a dead-corpse I have created. I am no ones sheep nor shepherd but I do take full responsibility to serve creation (the conscious-living dream) I am part of, therefore I am determined not to do harm to Man or Earth or Nature and yes I am committed to minimise the support of harm doing until I am part of a large growing Kindom Community of Do No Harmers where harm to creation no longer exists or is supported. I am far from "perfect" and am still going through my own growth. I feel that my past exposure to so much darkness has made it easier for me to comprehend and unravel, even though it is often painful to do this. I cannot ignore the darkness because I feel the suffering caused by the darkness so acutely. I know it is not something that will "disappear" if we do not comprehend it and work out how to outsmart it, just as Anastasia outsmarted the high priest.

Back to the kids – I can’t believe I am actually PAYING MONEY to have my kids indoctrinated at these crazy schools. Thankfully our 11 year old daughter sees through most of it and comes home laughing at the rubbish they try and teach them. But part of me wants to remove them from that system entirely.

Our kids are still in the public (state) education system, mainly because we do not have anything else to offer them at present and because all our work with this stuff and the legal stuff has made it very difficult financially, as well as taking a lot of time. We want to get a community school set up, also available for those outside the community. We have met some fantastic Indian women who are part of a group that have invented a system, through music, to open up the fourth part of the brain, the front bit. They are having children of 7 passing the highest music exams after 3 months and getting the highest scores. They are developing the program to cover all aspects of education. They say everyone is a genius - how true this is. They are currently in court fighting a genocide case because the Indian government wants to kill them all (supported by all British Commonwealth countries) because their system is too good! All students and teachers in schools who have used their stuff love it. This is what we hope to get going, even if only as "after school" lessons to start with. How does your daughter see through it all? Our 11 year old loves school and I think it is 50/50 whether she accepts our stuff or theirs and she would really rather we were an "ordinary" family. Do you talk to your daughter about it? How?

I have also considered getting stuck in with the freeman stuff but I understand what you say when you say it is still within the fiction (although I think it is actually good that there are more people waking up to it because it could accelerate the downfall of the system ?)

You're right in that many are waking up through the freeman stuff, often because the authority presence in our lives is becoming more and more overt. Our experience has been that the stuff works when they let it but, if they want to squeeze you they will and they have no qualms about breaking their own laws to do it. It is possible that, as more people start doing it, they will accept it less and less. They don't care if it is just a few "crazies" doing it, but if more and more start doing it, they may decide to clamp down. However, it is useful to know a few bits and pieces, as you obviously do - Is that an order or a request?

We still feel that we have to get together in numbers (a community) so that we are no longer easily picked on. As I mentioned in my email to Grant, the problem with foundations, Claims of Life, etc is that they are still part of the fiction (the fairytale) and therefore still supporting the very system (the matrix) that is presently causing all the harm and suffering in the world. While we put our energy into a foundation (of commerce - of the establishment rule of law - of the establishment government) we are supporting families losing their homes, supporting an evil, commercialised, economic system that forces millions into bankruptcy, forcing them into what seems to be hell as their fictitious long-term security is been taken away from them, not to mention the shame and embarrassment they and their families feel, the loss of friendships and standing in their community. No wonder there are so many suicides, family break ups, community break ups as thousands lose jobs. In Australia, let's not forget the hundreds of thousands of farming families forced off their land by the banks.

Propping up a dead corpse fiction which a foundation is, means that we still require 3rd party intermeddlers, interlopers, interceders/interveners meddling in our lives to administer these foundations etc leaving us still stuck where we all are now, governed and ruled by 3rd party strangers. What gift for creation does a Foundation offer? What gifts do those who put their energy into Foundations offer?

The only way out of this is through the creation of gifts (acts of love) set free without conditions. You can see how far we all have to go still to fully wake up. When enough of us wake up to the fact that there is no money, no ownership, no commerce, no rule of law, etc, we will come together as an act of love (creation), determined and inspired to co-create an act of love that benefits ALL of us and sets us ALL free from the fairytale. We need to let go of our fictitious selves and their fictitious roles in the fairytale, daunting as this is because our sense of security, belonging, etc, is all tied to the fairytale. We will never have freedom while we put energy into the fairytale because we will still be being governed by the rules of the divide, the haves and the have nots. Nothing will change because some will still have privilege and others won't.

The point of the Love for Life work is to inspire as many of us as possible to come together to create gifts of love for the benefit of creation. How many of us are really ready to do that. Nothing changes until we change. Everything else, no matter what, is just a continuation of the fairytale. Just more medication to keep us all numb to the pain and suffering in the world so that we never have to confront the letting go of all that we hold dear in the fiction, particularly our "security". Perhaps the trauma we feel upon being threatened with this has something to do with the birthing process we all went through, that Anastasia says leaves us all in fear. This is the trauma (the insecurity) we have to face. Are we willing to let go of our Ken and Barbie plastic, fictitious selves?

I was surprised to read that you haven’t read half of the Ringing Cedars series yet. In book 8.2 Anastasia seems to say that every time a man ejaculates, a spirit is created which is left in limbo and suffers greatly. Do you still have sex with Fiona ? This type of idea that she writes ends up with my feeling guilty and completely inadequate.

Arthur is now very very slowly reading book 7. Fiona has read all of them 3 times so she fills me in! Ahhhh - the sex issue. Everything we do is an act of creation so it follows that every ejaculation is an act of creation. Remember that Anastasia said that when you create a child in the manner she describes, the feeling of satisfaction is so great that it lasts for ages, so the urge to have sex again and again is not there. This seems very logical when you think of all the unwanted children that are created through self-centred sex - i.e. just because it feels nice. It also takes away the "suffering" of enforced celibacy as in Catholic priests, etc. Also, is not the creation of lost souls part of our brainwashing? We are brainwashed into thinking that sex is a HUGE issue and surely that many otherwise good relationships have been destroyed due to the insecurity caused by the fact that they weren't having ten orgasms a night as dictated by magazines, pop music, films, soaps, commercials, etc.

Sex is EVERYWHERE so it obviously becomes a huge focus. Young women just walk up to men in night clubs and offer them blow jobs. When you think about how many lost disembodied spirits of unconsciousness are created every weekend through casual sex, the mind boggles. Of course, all this just adds to the dark energy that the establishment top dogs feed off. Which is why they promote sex so much. In the Vedruss culture, sex and "sexy" bodies would not have been plastered everywhere. The focus would have been on other things, especially as, for them, sex was about the glorious creation of their child, not about self-satisfaction.

So where does that leave those of us who haven't created a child that way? For us, four young children, too many other things to do, too many late nights on the computer, not enough sleep and issues between us have taken care of the problem! Who knows where we will be in the future with this one? We have read of other things to do that do not involve male orgasm, some tantric stuff, but again you have to ask yourself who this is benefiting? The SELF or creation? There is something on the Ringing Cedars Revolution about this, ways of expressing love to one another without the orgasm etc. As always, we have to ask ourselves - is what I am doing creating an act of love as a gift for creation? If not, you can be sure that whatever you are creating is for the benefit of the dark side. Maybe this is one for your megaphone - "Make sure your children watch lots of soaps and movies with kissing and sex in them so that they begin to be sexually aware at a very young age." You would make it funnier. You have a young daughter and we have four - let's co-create a world where they are not the ones walking up to young men and offering them blow jobs in night clubs because they have been brainwashed into thinking that they have to in order to be happy/cool/accepted etc. Let's co-create a world that is not obsessed with tits, bottoms and penises.

So you can see how complicated it all is and I am feeling very stuck.

After the stuck comes the growth and then the stuck again and then more growth. Accept the stuck, love the stuck - that is growth in itself. When you're least expecting it will come the growth! We still question ourselves and whether we are insane or not and have periods when it doesn't seem like we are getting anywhere. We are out on a limb and it isn't always comfortable!

When we return to consciousness, our whole lives will be a gift for creation, just as the lives of all other aspects of creation are gifts for the rest of creation. It is just about impossible to imagine this now because we have all been so severely brainwashed into being selfish/self-centred unable to create gifts to benefit the body of life which we are living parts of. This is why Anastasia is such a gift herself - she shows us what we can be if we choose to.

With Love and respect and dare I say hugs too.

The hugging department is welcome here anytime!
Lots of hugs and love and great admiration for who you are and what you are doing.

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

Danny

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9th June 2009

I went to therapy for the 1st time in years yesterday. Really good guy. Deep and thoughtful.

He asked me 'do the sheeple really need to be woken up ?'

I thought it was a good question.

Love
Danny

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10th June 2009

Hi Danny

As for the question 'do the sheeple really need to be woken up ?'

The answer can go either of two ways....

a) if you are conscious, you will love them and therefore go out of your way to help them free themselves because they are part of you because we are all part of the body of creation and their suffering is your suffering, their pain is your pain. Even though we will be conscious not to be weighed down by their darkness, their darkness is the toxicity in the body of creation that we are part of that is destroying creation (our conscious-living body) and ensuring that all our children have no future other than that as microchipped drones etc. The challenge for us is to love all of creation because it is our body and not to see ourselves as separate and isolated SELVES. The self that keeps us so busy that we do not have time for one another. The sun that shines is an intended gift of love to all of creation. While we are putting all our energy/power of creation into our fictitious Ken & Barbies there is no gift for all of creation radiating from our fictitious selves.

b) if you are unconscious, you will not care about them and let them rot. Everything is O.K.

Love Arthur

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10th June 2009

Hi Danny

In response to my reply to Grant 5th June 2009 (see above) you replied same day and stated the following..... "Arthur, I get a certain feeling when reading your posts. The feeling is not an uplifting one and perhaps it is triggering a sadness and frustration inside of me that maybe is being reflected and projected from you. I also find it hard to stand in my authority when you write because although you speak about beliefs saying they contain lies, it seems like you are coming form a very strongly held set of beliefs. For example, you seem to have a belief that people NEED to be woken up. You seem to believe that there needs to be a remedy. But do they and does there ?

Secondly, regarding remedy, whilst I agree that kin domains are a beautiful remedy (potentially although I still have many questions about them - i spoke to a dear friend yesterday who told me that 30 years ago in South Africa there was a reality tv programme where they took 30 people and stuck them in a forest with materials and food etc and it all split up because egos surfaced) I also think that certain metaphysical ideas about love (some of which are mentioned in ringing cedars) are also part of the remedy."

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9th June 2009

Hi Danny
I have no intent behind what I write to trigger sadness and frustration in you! The sadness and frustration is yours for you to own and figure out what it's all about. However, my empathy (part of my/our consciousness) has me feel your sadness and want to work/co-create with you because, as we are all part of the body of creation, in one way, your sadness is my sadness.

Yes, I talk about beliefs. The problem with beliefs is that we tend to become attached to them which means we will fight for them even when being presented with the clear evidence of their limitations. This is where I am not "fixed". My commitment is to always go where the truth takes me and the truth is always backed by substance that engages and activates our senses of creation (sight, sound, touch, taste, feel, smell/scent) allowing us to expand our consciousness (information of creation) when we observe them.

I am just not interested in putting my energy/power of creation into fairytales, ideas that are always invisible because they have no substance of consciousness embodied. These ideas do not benefit creation because the intent that created them in the first instance was not focused on serving/benefiting creation either. This is why I have moved so far over the past three years; I am always willing to give up any thought or feeling if someone can show me that I am wrong. I have been asking all those who challenge me to show me the evidence that I am wrong but so far no one has been able to do so. All most can do is fall back on a third party CON-veying a fairytale such as Jesus or the Bible as so-called "evidence".

When I get a feeling about how things are, I examine it and examine it to find the logic in it. If I can find the logic, I know I am on the right track. I make sure I can back everything I say with substance.

The fairytale is based on beliefs because it has no substance to back it. Where is the substance that is the Supreme Court? Can you taste, touch and experience it? What does the Supreme Court do for creation that aids creation in rolling along/expanding here and now? Would we (MAN) and Nature/Earth/Creation suffer if not perish if the Supreme Court did not exist?

The Supreme Court only "exists" because we have fallen for the fairytale CON-struct of the Supreme Court and so accept that the destroyed mountain made into bricks, steel, plastic, synthetic carpet, paint etc and piled together is the Supreme Court. Show a child a tree and he/she will be able to get the information of creation from the tree to comprehend the consciousness that is the tree. Put a child in front of the Supreme Court and he/she will be none the wiser about the Supreme Court no matter how long he/she stands there. Without a third party to explain the whole CON-cept of our so-called justice system, the child has no way of comprehending the Supreme Court. The fairytale is based on our belief in the CON-structs of the fairytale; money, commerce, religion, government, law etc. None of these have any substance and none of them can "exist" without the energy/power of creation we put into them. I have written so much about all this here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

All those who went into the forest in South Africa also took the fairytale with them. They were all (or most of them were) self-centered in-divide-u-alls. They obviously had forgotten who they really were and continued to do so, therefore were too busy propping up their beliefs that are fantasies, illusions and delusions (of fairytales). What chance could a conscious-living dream such as community have when its participants put their fictitious dreams (the energy/power of creation they put into their self-centered/self-worshipping FALSE IDOLS of consciousness/love) into a conscious one?

This is why we have to get together to support one another in letting go of our fiction so we let go of our egos, selfs, minds, personalities, self-centeredness etc. Outside of the fairytale exists ONLY conscious-creating men, women and children creating acts of love (substance) as gifts to serve/benefit their partners, families, friends, community, tribe, village, nature, earth etc. Having difficulties with the personalities of others is one of the divide and rule tactics we have been brainwashed into. We are all unique aspects of creation so, provided we are not being abusive or doing harm (saying "shit" in a park!), how we speak and express ourselves should not be an issue.

So many people will not co-create with another because of how the other man or woman speaks, moves, eats, walks, dresses thinks, feels, believes etc. This is an indicator of their own self centredness. It is only our own fears, insecurities and trauma that have us react to others. Unfortunately, most men and women do not take full-responsibility for their feelings, instead making the one who they reacted to responsible for their fear, anger, insecurity, etc.

We have been led to "believe" that freedom means not having to think about others, creation, etc. On the contrary, freedom is a huge responsibility because it means being responsible for all our feelings, words and deeds. It means making sure we do no harm because our friendly coppers won't be there to wag their fingers at us and take us away if we are naughty.

Love & Hugs
Arthur
ps: will reply shortly about your comment "I also think that certain metaphysical ideas about love (some of which are mentioned in ringing cedars) are also part of the remedy."

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8th June 2009

Hi Venessa
Thank you for the offer of Facebook friendship and sharing your inspirations with us. It is gratefully appreciated. When you get the the time and if you haven't done so already please listen to this 2 hour teaser video + the podcasts (the older ones will be uploaded again shortly) and read these docs/comments. They will give you a good idea of where we are now at and heading: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511 - http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6566 - http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6558

To keep up to date with the Love For Life work you can register to the love for life mailing list where we usually send out 2 postings per month. To register please go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/campaign_list

You are most welcome to contact us action @ loveforlife.com.au whenever you feel inspired to do so.

We look forward to meeting you and family one day.

All the best

Conscious Love Always
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
www.loveforlife.com.au
action @ loveforlife.com.au
PO Box 1320 Bowral 2576 NSW Australia
0011 61 418203204 (Local: 0418 203204)

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8th June 2009

Vanessa wrote:

Thank you Aurthur for taking the time to respond (on facebook), thanks for sending me those links, and thank you for accepting my friendship. I look forward to meeting you and your family one day soon, you have already met 2members of my own: my brother and sister- Ron & Natalie. They attended one of your weekend workshops a few months back with Mark P. They were so blown away, Nat just loves you guys.

I have tried searching for PANE ANDOV in your search menu on your website, but you have no information about him, have you heard his name yet? He has recently moved from Macedonia to Australia and I am currently attending his Psionics mental fitness course, he is a wealth of knowledge (and experience to back it all up). His website is www.globalhealingmeditation.org if you are interested in taking the time.

I've been following your work and I just know you'll love him and all that he has to offer.

I hope I have been of some help to you.

Kind regards,
Vanessa

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8th June 2009

Hi Vanessa
Likewise, we look forward to meeting you and family in the near future as well. I can't explain it all right now (study the links/info provided) but to say "watch out for the New Age movement and all its cosmic/galactic wonderments and channellings etc". There are many many many traps/deceptions in it.

Innocent and naive and good-hearted as he might be, the stuff Pane Andov is promoting is seriously handicapped/distorted/compromised. There are no ET's out there. It's all bullshit. All crop circles are MAN-MADE compliments of Reagan Star Wars Laser Satellites, HAARP, Chemtrails, ELF, Holograms + many other man-made sciences/technologies used against the gullible (billions) who are not aware (kept in the dark - what you don't know is being used against you) of said technologies being used against them/against you to CON you/them.

The Establishment has technologies/sciences up to 100 years in advance of the masses becoming aware of it.

At the battle of Waterloo 18th June 1815 and during the final defeat of Napoleon after the secret Prussian army arrived late on the day (during the time the French had already destroyed/defeated Wellington's forces) the Rothschild's used telecommunication to send a message from Waterloo to London in minutes which caused the London Stockmarket to crash in hours, leading to the takeover of The Bank of England which became the 1st central bank. The rest is NWO Globalised history but we are told telephone was invented 1876 /1877 and released to the public a few years later. Telegraphs/Semaphore Networks had been in use since 1792. They evolved out of smoke signals & beacons & carrier pigeons etc. Its clear that European scientists had already invented telephony during the 1700's.

Also: Archaeologists have uncovered indisputable/incontrovertible evidence of man-made sophisticated telephone systems being used prior 3600 years ago as were anti-gravity ufo/space ships etc. We live in the time of the man-made Ancient Egypts SECOND COMING of THE WESTERN WORLD CIVILISATION OF COMMERCE (NWO/1 World Govt etc). The 1st coming came & went/was finally destroyed roughly 3600 years ago. You need to study the body of the Love For Life work and and read all 9 of the Ringing Cedars books 3 times around to fully comprehend what is REALLY going on.

Also, Nibiru/Planet X is man-made as is everything else of creation. MAN is creation. Man is not a tiny aspect of the universe at the effect of any aspect of the universe. The Sun goes around the Earth (around MAN) as does everything else you see with your eyes at night or day. Earth is MAN and MAN is Earth but billions have forgotten who they really are.

Apologies, but we are not into buttering up anyone by creating looking good/feel good images so that we can be liked and win over friends etc. We are straight shooters who have been around for many years. Our commitment is to destroy all aspects of the fairytale that is the true matrix.

You are most welcome to forward this email to Pane on our behalf. We also accepted his offer of friendship via Facebook. It appears that we (Pane & us) have a lot to offer each other. It will be up to Pane if he wants his work to be lovingly scrutinised to remove all the dead-wood because we sure can do this.

I have cc this email to your beautiful sister Natalie. I don't have Ron's? I love them both very much.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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9th June 2009

Hi Aurthur,

I am aware of all that you have mentioned. I do believe, however that Anastasia has the ability to Astral Travel, and this is what I am learning in the psionics course, it is because of Anastasia's information in her books that I thought it would be necessary for me to also learn to develop this ability. After all, we are all MAN and this ability should be ours effortlessly and naturally.

I truly value your opinion and expertise (which is why I mentioned Pane to you in the first place), and appreciate the time you've taken to point out certain issues. I will definitely keep you posted regarding this course and let you know of my progress (if you like).

Kindest regards,
Vanessa

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9th June 2009

Hi Vanessa
Consciousness is all about co-creating gifts (acts of love) that are the substance (the essence) of consciousness, to benefit creation which expands the consciousness of creation. When we are awakened from the matrix of unconsciousness (of selfishness - of a he/she serving a fictitious SELF), everything we think, feel and do are acts of love that benefit the body (the life/the lives) of creation that aids creation in rolling along (expanding) here and now. With the conscious intent to serve creation we co-create a dream (a body/a life) for a child that is a space of love and we create that child by filling that space of love (like blowing air into a balloon) with our energy/power of creation as an intended gift to expand (benefit) the consciousness of creation (the body of life) which we are part of.

To truly shift (expand) consciousness (you call it astral travel) is to be creating acts of love to expand the consciousness (the space of love - the body of life) of creation. It is the intent behind what we think, feel and do that needs to be looked at/needs to be questioned. Everything Anastasia thinks, feels and does are conscious-intended acts of love (gifts of substance) to expand the consciousness (the space of love) that is the body of creation that she/we is/are part of. There is nothing selfish/self-centered behind anything Anastasia thinks, feels or does. Anastasia does not have a SELF/PERSON/INDIVIDUAL to put her energy/power of creation into to prop it up. Anastasia is not an individual (IN-DIVIDE-U-ALL).

Anastasia is a unique conscious-living co-creator of creation. Anastasia does not Astral Travel for that is of a fictitious MIND serving a fictitious SELF. Instead everything she does are acts of creation (conscious acts of love) to serve/benefit creation, no different to fingers benefiting a hand and no different to MAN (conscious-living men, women and children) benefiting the body of life (the space of love) of creation, created by the creator of this conscious-living dream that we are part of. The Apple tree benefits creation by co-creating gifts of substance (apples) to benefit others (the body - the life) of creation. The apple tree does not selfishly create apples for a fictitious self. The apple tree serves (benefits) creation (life) and even in its decaying state all its fallen leaves, twigs, branches etc serves the soil, provides homes for the insects etc. The apple tree is always co-creating substance.

We (MAN) breathe in the gifts (acts of love - the substance) of creation and we breathe out our gifts (acts of love - the substance) for the benefit of creation. If we were to own our last breath/drink/meal and not let it go we (fallen Man) will die (fall from consciousness - from conscious co-creation), and yet this is exactly what happens to men, women and children when they own (are possessed) by a fictitious SELF and are chronically putting all their waking-time energy/power of creation into propping up this dead-corpse fiction/apparition.

Anastasia expands (shifts) consciousness and the information (the substance) of her creation benefits all of creation. Anastasia is not living in a fairytale!

Who or what is benefiting by Astral Travel???????

What substance (of consciousness) is being co-created to benefit other life-forms of creation, inanimate or not, of creation, when Astral Travelling????

Where is the substance created by Astral Travel which our senses of creation can touch, taste, feel, smell/scent, hear and see??????

We (MAN) cannot be/exist/have life without substance!

It is the intent behind our feelings, thoughts, ideas, deeds and dreams/goals that either expands consciousness or expands a fallen/destroyed state of unconsciousness.
Learn to choose wisely.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

Latest Update - We Are Under Serious Attack Right Now

Note: Best to read these comments from the bottom up

11/06/2009 2:33 PM

Hi Joyce

Thanks for replying.

Firstly, both the Love For Life website and Fiona and I are presently under a very heavy bombardment from a most angry mob fuelled by establishment "We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us" lackeys. Why? A James W. von Brunn walked into the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. a few hours ago and shot a security guard who died a little later: http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=93229&cat=0 or check out: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=James+W+Von+Brunn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq...

We have one of James W. von Brunn's books posted here: Kill the Best Gentiles! by James von Brunn - A New Hard-Hitting Exposé Of The JEW CONSPIRACY To Destroy The White Gene-Pool: http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/6054

In the hundreds come flooding in very nasty evil comments/emails as well as some posted in the website which we left up: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6054#comment-1453 (just in case scroll up and down to see others). The very nasty foul abusive death-threat ones were removed. We posted this comment.............

Note: Love For Life does not support harm doing in any shape or form. However, we are supporters of free speech and post articles, documentaries, etc, that represent a wide cross section of ideas. The Love For Life extensive research library has over 6000 documents, articles and videos posted: http://loveforlife.com.au/issues We clearly see the evidence of the destruction to MAN and the earth that has been caused by ALL religions over the centuries and are therefore not supporters of religions, cults, sects or any group that demands conformity of thought, speech or action, or has rules, regulations or rituals that must be followed. Religions, nationalities and cultural "identities" are formed as a result of the brainwashing we receive from childhood. They are part of the tactics the Establishment uses to keep us all divided from one another and fighting one another.

If we truly want peace on earth and freedom for all, we have to let go of all that which keeps us divided, and come together as MAN, conscious living co-creators of creation. The Love For Life website offers a remedy to the problems we all face in the form of DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3641 For more details see here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - We also highly recommend that everyone read the brilliant Russian books called The Ringing Cedars: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1125 - The Love For Life homepage/front-page also provides lots of inspiring remedy based information: http://loveforlife.com.au - If you want to be kept up to date with our work please register to the Love For Life mailing list here: http://loveforlife.com.au/campaign_list We usually send two postings per month. Presently there are over 5000 registrations reaching over 200,000 readers globally. The website now receives over 2 million strikes per month.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur and Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
11th June 2009

Secondly..........

Thanks for your feedback. Its great to meet someone who comprehends the reality of what I am experiencing and enduring without trying to make it wrong or just ignore it as many do. This commitment to reach millions over the last 3 years or so has had us experience the real ebb and flow of being poor or not. We are now hitting the poverty wall again with our last $$$ about to run out, knowing the $1200.00 per fortnight Fiona receives from her Strawman signature disguised as a government hand out labelled Centerlink Parenting Payments is not enough to feed us, clothe us, put petrol in the car, pay the bills and keep a roof over our heads. With no cash flow to support us, without me returning to the fairytale workforce, with the 16/18 hours per day devotion to the task of awakening others, with 4 young daughters to care for, with a beautiful strong patient ultra-supportive woman to support who has simple needs, a woman who I regularly let down including my children because of my obsession, stubbornness and absolute focus on the task ahead (the dream of Love For Life) etc etc all adds to the frustration I feel.

It really has been a sacrifice of love (or is it madness?), of letting go of much of our personal needs to create the space where we have been able to perform/create the Love For Life work with hardly any distractions or obstacles. We would not be surprised to find out that hundreds of thousands of RC books have been sold due to the Love For Life website.

The reality is that we (the family) are trapped in the middle of a true limbo state between Kindom and the Western World fairytale, our bodies suffering from the tug-of-war between fiction and reality: living food v cooked, processed food (children still eat cooked food and I have slipped up a little lately and am noticing the difference), our children in government brainwashing schools and the school we would like to create on our community, knowing that money is an illusion but not being in a situation to live without it, having contact with wonderful men and women around Australia and the world but having no one (bar one friend) close by to support us, showing people the way to freedom while they fight as hard as they can to maintain their enslavement, living in a cold house without heating and not wanting to add to the gas or electricity bills by using heaters, Fiona now unable to drive for 12 months because she stuffed up when she went to court and got a 12 month ban and around $700 worth of fines (to be paid off at $15.00 a fortnight) and is unwilling to do any more of the legal stuff because of the toll it takes on the family and her. The list goes on and on and on.

We don't know what it means to have a real holiday break. From the tax office fiasco 2005, through the bank fraud fiasco 2005-2008, through the long hours of working in a business + renovating the beach house that was stolen from us 2001-2007, through the months/years of dealing with the law and government 2005-2009 and then through the awakening in the midst of the chaos explained, the awakening of the Love For Life dream and the sacrifice and devotion we have put into it 2005-2009.... we have been left with no real family time to truly enjoy. And all this caused by me and the decisions I have made which Fiona has mostly supported. We are bare of true joy, freedom and the space to enjoy our children and our marriage. We are determined to remedy this and are also aware that if we had not gone through all this, there would not be any Love For Life, particularly the profound, inspiring deep heartfelt insights we have unravelled. Are we comets? Are we meant to pass by with only the tip of our tail to be touched by the masses after we have long gone?

Sorry about the violins, we are feeling the weight of the pressure brought on of our own doing.

If we really lived in a world of love where men and women truly loved all other men and women, we would not be in this predicament. Our brainwashing has made us isolated individuals surviving in a world where almost all of our time is spent supporting the machine just so that we can eat and have a roof over our heads. Is it any wonder that we have forgotten how to shine like the sun, radiating love so that no one has to be poor, sick, unloved, etc? Is it time for us to re-join the fairytale to make some bucks, become selfish again, or are we just in the eleventh hour before the floodgates of love open up?

Love and Hugs
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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Joyce wrote:

Greetings Arthur,

Earlier today I sent the response below which bounced back because of a very large file I had attached. I've loaded that file on to my website and you can access it through this link: (removed)

It is a power point that I think has a very important message to all of us creating kin domains or settlements.

My response to your update is below.

Blessings,
Joyce

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From: Benjamin & Joyce
To: action @ loveforlife.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:53:48 AM
Subject: Re: Update

Greetings Arthur,

Thank you for this email. Even though your "tone" when you communicate sometimes carries a lot of pain and frustration, the truth of what you say is compelling and clear. You have a wonderful ability to see through illusions to the reality beneath. There aren't many on our planet with that ability. Thank you for being willing to be visible and heard by many thousands or millions.

The New Age matrix you describe is very real and the heroin addiction metaphor accurately portrays the situation. I don't know that we can "fight" it in any better way than to get as many "addicted" people as possible onto kin's domains ASAP. In my own group we've recently dealt with similar things as you describe. It's a gift to us because I say so. Like Anastasia did, I will win this battle by creating and holding the image that everything that happens in the "trance state" (dark forces) serves the fulfillment of my (our) dream of living in a beautiful Paradise on Earth. Onward I march to getting the funding for settlements. I just sent in the review questions for another grant request and will begin the next set soon.

I'm attaching a power point that our new research person, Susan made. I got her permission to share it because it is very beautiful and succinct in presenting one of the essences of Anastasia's message. The final slide with references for each of the quotes is missing because it makes the slide too big to send. If you want it I'll be happy to send it. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

Good to hear from you.

Blessings and Love,
Joyce

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From: Love For Life Campaign action @ loveforlife.com.au
To: Benjamin & Joyce
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:27:25 AM
Subject: Update

Hello Joyce
I am so glad you've been chatting with Danny in London. Fiona and I love him heaps. He appears to be keen to get involved in creating this documentary/video we are inspired to co-create. Lets see what comes shortly. In the meantime its very clear that the New Age Movement / Cosmic Galactic Consciousness Movement / Channelling Movement / Crop Circles/ET/Alien Movement etc etc etc etc are infiltrating the brains of almost everyone we meet these days who have read or are now reading the RC Books.

It staggers us just how deeply ingrained this New Age bullshit is. They really believe its all true and that Anastasia is part of it and supports it.

Ohhhh the inspirations of love, reaching out to break through the heavy-dense shields of this almost brain-dead trance that con-structs drones and inspire whatever remains of consciousness to reuse their brains once again. They are hypnotised memorisers stuck in a never-ending play-back loop of fiction. The repetitiveness of focusing on these false-idol images of creation/truth/reality keeps them trapped in the fairytale/matrix.

I have not done this but many occasion I wanted to say "Please Take Me To Your Leader".
or
"Helloooooooooooooo, Anyone Home"??????

A little of this is posted here: Link: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6566#comment-1412

Joyce, I am frustrated and yes its my problem and I take full responsibility for this but hey, if you had a grown-up son or daughter living away from home, shooting up heroin and they did not want to listen to you, no matter what, and you love them deeply, but are left feeling powerless to help while they continue destroying their lives day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, comes the frustration. This is the frustration I feel in loving MAN unconditionally. They are all part of me and I am part of them. I must keep growing, keep expanding consciousness.

Love and Hugs
Arthur

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12th June 2009

You Are Visionaries Spending Every Day Visioning Your Future

You are visionaries. You spend all day, every day, visioning your preferred future. Please begin to EXPECT support and community. Please VISION what it is you WANT. I too have your vision and many, many, many more Australian's. We are all ready to jump very, very soon. All we need do is switch from 'how bad it all is' to 'how easy it is to join together and share'. Check out the Truth Movement Australia if you want to see hundreds of people attracting hundreds more to discovering the truth. It's only a matter of time before we take the next step -- TOGETHER. This video is very inspiring to me. Although it isn't about my life, the comments Esther Hicks makes are just spot on.

Video: Law of Attraction and Gay Rights - Esther & Jerry Hicks - 9 Minute 52 Seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_c7NWWiUnk - Abraham - who is Non-Physical Source Energy as translated by Esther Hicks - responds to a question from a lesbian activist who wants to affect social change in a meaningful "downstream" way. Recorded February 9th, 2008 in San Rafael, California.

Esther & Jerry Hicks are the authors of numerous books based on the Teachings of Abraham and their latest book, "Money and The Law of Attraction", reached #1 on the New York Times bestseller list.

For over 20 years, Esther has translated blocks of thought from "Non-Physical Source Energy" - which she also identifies as her "Inner Being" or "Soul" - and who refer to themselves in the plural as "Abraham" (no relation to the Biblical figure).

Esther doesn't use the word "channeling" to describe her process, but understands if others do. For more information, please view our YouTube video entitled "Abraham Explains Who They Are", or go to http://www.abraham-hicks.com and listen to the audio entitled "Introduction To Abraham".

NOTE: To watch this video in high quality and stereo, simply add "&fmt=18" to the end of the URL and refresh the page.

Anonymous

MOTHERLAND in AUSTRALIA -

MOTHERLAND in AUSTRALIA - Who really owns the Land in Australia..

* Posted by Kali Neilson on 19 March 2009 at 3:01pm: http://ringingcedars.ning.com/forum/topics/motherland-in-australia-who

The issue of Native Title in Australia is effectively the claiming of Motherland by the original people of Australia.. up until now the issue of Native title has been virtually irrelevant to white Australians and seen as an Indigenous Issue.. But the whole country is Motherland to the Aboriginal people and was wrongfully taken, by force, from them. And then when there appeared to be a threat to the white government of the returning strength and numbers of the Original people of the Northern Regions, a cunning and evil plan was executed to finally break the spirit of Aboriginal people and sadly their Children were taken from them , en mass.

One can only imagine the suffering of an Ancient people losing their land which they so preciously honoured for millennia and then their own children.. It is the living, existing example of the ancient stories Anastasia tell of the decimation of the Pagan cultures..

The entire system of land ownership certainly in Australia and North America has no standing within the realms of the law, natural, universal or otherwise. Because it is founded upon a lie..

Terra nullius is a Latin expression deriving from Roman Law meaning "land belonging to no one", "nobody's land" i.e. "empty land" "desolate", applying the general principle of res nullius to real estate, in terms of private ownership and/or as territory under public law.

"By the time of Mabo in 1992, terra nullius was the only explanation for the British settlement of Australia. Historians, more interested in politics than archives, misled the legal profession into believing that a phrase no one had heard of a few years before was the very basis of our statehood, and Reynolds’ version of our history, especially The Law of the Land, underpinned the Mabo judges’ decision-making." - Michael Connor in The Bulletin (Sydney), 20 August 2003: (see further Connor 2005.)

There is some controversy as to the meaning of the term. For example, it is asserted that, rather than implying mere emptiness, terra nullius can be interpreted as an absence of civilized society. The English common law of the time allowed for the legal settlement of "uninhabited or barbarous country" www.austlii.com/au/special//rsjproject/rsjlibrary/archives/mabo/8.html

In 1971, in the controversial Gove land rights case, Justice Blackburn ruled that Australia had been terra nullius before European settlement, and that there was no such thing as native title in Australian law. Court cases in 1977, 1979, and 1982 brought by or on behalf of Aboriginal activists challenged Australian sovereignty on the grounds that terra nullius had been improperly applied, therefore Aboriginal sovereignty should still be regarded as being intact. These cases were rejected by the courts, but the Australian High Court left the door open for a reassessment of whether the continent should be considered "settled" or "conquered".

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The concept of terra nullius became a major issue in Australian clubs Mabo, the High Court of Australia issued a judgment which was a direct overturning of terra nullius.

In this case, the Court found that there was a concept of native title in common law, that the source of native title was the traditional connection to or occupation of the land, that the nature and content of native title was determined by the character of the connection or occupation under traditional laws or customs and that native title could be extinguished by the valid exercise of governmental powers provided a clear and plain intention to do so was manifest.

In 1996, The High Court re-visited the subject of native title in Wik. The 4-3 majority in the Wik Decision stated that native title and pastoral leases could co-exist over the same area and that native peoples could use land for hunting and performing sacred ceremonies even without exercising rights of ownership. However, in the event of any conflict between the rights and interests of pastoralists and native title, it would be the former that would prevail.

The court's ruling in Mabo has enabled some Aboriginal peoples to reclaim territory appropriated under the doctrine of terra nullius. This has proven extremely controversial, as it has led to lawsuits seeking the transfer or restoration of land ownership rights to native groups. An estimated 3,000 further agreements have been reached in which Aboriginal peoples have regained former lands. An example is that of a December 2004 case in which the Noonkanbah people were recognised as the traditional owners of a 1,811 km² plot of land in Western Australia. In the Northern Territory, 40 per cent of the land and most of its coastline is now owned by Aboriginal peoples.

To be continued - Co-creation with Indigenous Elders..

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Peter of Black Bear clan Permalink Reply by Peter of Black Bear clan on 20 May 2009 at 8:33pm

great post kali, check out mark mcmurtrie on youtube for more

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Arthur & Fiona Cristian Permalink Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian on 21 May 2009 at 12:56am

Not disregarding that no MAN owns Land/Earth, instead are caretakers & stewards co-creating creation, there was a white skin indigenous Man, of many tribes, many with blue/green eyes, who covered Gondwanaland in the millions going back 6,000 to 10,000 years ago. Today, the truth of the existence of this white skin indigenous Man is remembered amongst a few of today's indigenous darker skin tribal elders, who know the true story of the genocide campaigns that were conducted by the meat-eating darker skins as they swept down from Asia over many centuries going back thousands of years. This white skin Man tribes were almost completely wiped out bar a few here and there who integrated/assimilated with the darker skins.

This white skin people were vegetarians/raw-living food eaters. They were very peaceful co-creators of creation. These white skin blood-lines were direct descendants of the white skin Siberian tribes that left Siberia possibly as far back as 10,000 years ago, who journeyed across Alaska, down through the Americas and then worked their way across the oceans, islands,to Asia and finally to Gondwanaland. It also appears that white skin tribes from Siberia (and other regions of Rus) came to Gondwanaland from across Europe, through Asia Minor, Asia to Gondwanaland as well.

This movement of white skin men, women and children has a lot to do with the uprising of the 1st waring Ancient Egyptian civilisation and all the other waring civilisations of Ancient Egypt as Egypt travelled, expanded and adapted to become the Sumerian and Phoenician civilisations amongst many others. All mirror images of the Ancient Egyptian Civilisation (the mirror images of the dream of the high priest) can be directly traced back via the trademark of Ancient Egypt (the trademark of the high priest), that being all civilisations that had man-made read and write alphabet languages, mathematics, sacred geometry/geometry, royal families divinely appointed by God and high priesthoods divinely appointed by God who governed ancient mystery schools/secret cabals, religions and the rule-of-law.

Of interest the original skin colour of Ancient Egypt was white but gradually changed to darker skins and black skins very quickly and most of the Ancient Egyptian civilisations, including the civilisations in the image of Ancient Egypt were dark to black skin.... China, Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, Tolteks, Olmecs, Indians, Mu, Sanskrit amongst many many others. For a window into this true black skin history check out many of these late 2007/early 2008 videos posted in the Love For Life website here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/4912 - I have posted a few below but there are stacks more to be viewed by clicking on the link I just provided.

UNTOLD BLACK HISTORY: Intro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx6Q_KTUrYw - 1 Minute 31 Seconds

UNTOLD BLACK HISTORY: Myths: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jepatojx2Ag - 4 Minutes

UNTOLD BLACK HISTORY: "Blacks" were the 1st Americans: Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMg-79AzbI4 - 9 Minutes

UNTOLD BLACK HISTORY: "Blacks" were the 1st Americans: Part Two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sttg1A5Ncfs - 9 Minutes

UNTOLD BLACK HISTORY: The Black Chinese: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFhS-49WGGY - 9 Minutes 15 Seconds

UNTOLD BLACK HISTORY: Black Indi-Americans : Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqZGM5S8aCQ - 10 Minutes

UNTOLD BLACK HISTORY: Black Indi-Americans : Part Two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uacNATHbvLc - 10 Minutes

UNTOLD BLACK HISTORY: The Slavery Myths & Moors: Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_EW_EhfkD4 - 7 Minutes

UNTOLD BLACK HISTORY: The Slavery Myths & Moors: Part Two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R43NfNQc9o - 7 Minutes

Once Mans true history finally comes out it will be seen that there is a lost but strong connection between the Negro bloodlines and the dark-skin Indigenous tribes of Gondwanaland going back thousands of years ago (all these tribes have the same common string of DNA), and amongst all this will be found a strong connection with the dark-skin Sumerian and Phoenician Civilisations of Ancient Egypt as well. Fossilised remains of Sumerian and Phoenician Civilisation Ships, artwork and architecture have been uncovered on Gondwanaland, all of it hushed up as much as possible.

The European Genocide campaigns who killed over 40 million dark-skin indigenous Aboriginals on Gondwanaland started in the early 1500's (possibly earlier), orchestrated by all the royal bloodline houses/families of Ancient Egypt, Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, Holland/Dutch, etc. The European Royal Houses also killed all the last remnants of these white skin tribes in Western Australia going back around the 1500's. All the European Royal Houses slaves/goi/soldiers/convicts of war (not of privileged bloodlines/not initiated into the higher levels of true Freemasonry) and after their part in the genocide campaigns, were all murdered in faked wars between all the Royal Houses of Europe so the news of their terrible genocide campaigns would not spread back home to their villages in Europe. These European Royal houses terrorised and traumatised, what remained of most of the dark-skin indigenous tribes to prepare for the colonisation of Europeans and Asians etc after 1780.

There s a lot of cleaning up/owning up to be done by the darker skin Aboriginals on Gondwanaland as to the atrocities conducted by their war-like ancestors. The present pathway of claiming motherland through dark-skin Native Titles is all founded on bullshit because the history that it presently leans upon is all based on bullshit as well. Also, don't forget all the native titles are private corporations registered with "The Crown" and its bullshit fictitious land titles office. The way forward to reclaiming the motherland is when all of MAN comes together to heal the past, to finally lay to rest the murder of the many white and dark skin souls on Gondwanaland, including the desecrations of all the white and dark-skin sacred sites where all their/our ancestors reside. "What Goes Around Comes Around". Many of us now standing on Gondwanaland are the children, the consciousness, of our murdered ancestors (their consciousness is our consciousness) on Gondwanaland.

The British Empire Of Ancient Egypt has lied to all of us through all their bullshit education of their his-story but a few indigenous tribal elders on Gondwanaland know the true history of what really happened on Gondwanaland. We now live in the time for these tribal elders to finally come forward and speak the truth and clear the air.

Also: for the indigenous tribes on Gondwanaland, there is a very strong connection with the Hopi Indian tribal elders, their prophesies and the coming together of their lost brothers and sisters of MAN after the spreading from the white skin into coloured skins and then the re-merging of all the coloured skins of MAN, all occurring between roughly 10,000 years ago and today. The chaos of the high priests of the Ancient Egyptian Civilisation caused phenomenal damage to MAN in every way imaginable. The High Priest's "Rules Of The Divide" caused just that to MAN (separations) in every way imaginable.

We live in most interesting and exciting times repairing all the damage (separations) done to MAN, caused by MAN.

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
www.loveforlife.com.au
action @ loveforlife.com.au

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Kali Neilson Permalink Reply by Kali Neilson on 21 May 2009 at 8:52am

This is very interesting Arthur! As you can see, together we create a trail of knowledge or TRUTH, people can follow - if our discussions respect the level of awareness a person has around a certain issue and we add our insight and own awareness to a topic we are truly helping reclaim the stories of what really is going on or has occurred in the past, by our conscious contemplation of these issues..

My post is obvious in its message to a certain level of awareness and yours expands the story to an even greater awareness. There may be other's out there who have even further insight on this topic - hopefully! Thank you!

I look forward to watching all these videos..

Have a lovely day..

Kali

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Ian Cotterall Permalink Reply by Ian Cotterall on 25 May 2009 at 8:22pm

Hi Arthur,
Arthur I'm particularly interested in the white indigenous people of Gondwanaland. Where did you get your information from, and how can I research it?. Could you please reply to my email splitpin @ easynet.net.au

or splitpin47 @ hotmail as I have trouble with reading your replies on this site. Yours in Spirit,

Ian Cotterall.

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Arthur & Fiona Cristian Permalink Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian on 25 May 2009 at 11:57pm

Hi Ian
Back between 1972 and 1976 I spent a lot of time reading and buying books from the Adjar bookshop (Theosophical Society) in Sydney. Amongst these books were amazing archeological documentation of a white man tribe/s/culture/race/civilisation inhabiting Gondwanaland. I don't have these books anymore but you can follow these links to pick up traces of this info....

http://www.rexgilroy.com

http://www.rexgilroy.com/complete-uru-story.html

http://www.mysteriousaustralia.com/chapter1.html

http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptaustralia.html

http://www.awarenessquest.com/research.htm

http://www.mysteriousaustralia.com

http://www.awarenessquest.com/osborn.htm

http://first-americans.blogspot.com/2008/01/22-ancient-white-migrations....

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=5410

All the best
Arthur
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Ian Cotterall Permalink Reply by Ian Cotterall on 27 May 2009 at 7:51pm

Thanks Arthur, I printed alot of it out last night. Will show my friends in the group.

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Ian Cotterall Permalink Reply by Ian Cotterall on 27 May 2009 at 8:29pm

Back again Arthur, I know about Val Osbourne, he was one of the originals in a group that toured the eastern coastline centred around here, Mackay & Sarina. He worked with a fellow named Gil Deem who I know personally. They found and documented a lot of info. which would change the shape of history in this country. Locally here, there is mountains of info regarding the Phoencians, Caananites, & Egyptians. Gil has the theroy that the Phoencians, bought the black races here as slaves to work the mines that are evidenced here locally. We have a Landing Wharf made of concrete here in Freshwater Creek at Freshwater Point. You can still tie up to it today, walk a 100 yards to a dam that holds freshwater, hence the name, Freshwater point. It has been there for centries. Mariners have been using it probably into the thousands of years, probaby safer to say hundreds, anyhow long before Capt. Cook. Village Tells, signs of habitation as in comunities that built villages, roads of stone chip, concrete loading ramps that go miles out to sea, Sluice races for Gold recovery. rock walls, I have some concrete here in my house that I got from Balmunda Beach, which is north of here, and about an hour and a half drive from Freshwater Point. Cape Hillsbourugh is known to have been mined for Copper, Gold and opals. I've had mining expierence and I can tell that the rock formations on the Cape Hillsbourough beaches have been opencut mined. The rocks on the waters edge are not rocks but concrete. Have you heard of strange Mountains& hills that geologically don't make sense?

Have you heard of these strange mountains after much searching, sealed doors have been found in the sides of them? All the best to you and yours. Ian.
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Arthur & Fiona Cristian Permalink Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian on 21 May 2009 at 2:09pm

I agree with you Kali, it would be great for those who truly know to finally come forward and assist us all in expanding our consciousness.

There are historians who know the truth, I have spoken to them over the years but they won't reveal much at this time. They are scared to go against "The Establishment". I guess its up to us to co-create Kindom, a sanctuary where many of them (from all fields of endeavour) can come during the coming darker days of chaos that is the collapse of Ancient Egypt's "Western World Civilisation Of Commerce" and there, share the true history of Man which we all have a right to know.

When the true-consciousness has awakened in enough of us and we have shown/demonstrated to those few remaining tribal elders, who know the truth about Man on Gondwanaland and his/her heritage, that we are prepared to make right what has been made wrong by the British Empire and its Freemasonic world (shadow government), by standing up to them through our co-creation of Kindoms in their dead-world, walking-the-talk to reveal that we have overcome self-centeredness (individualism), that we come with love to heal them of their disease (unconsciousness), and that we live our whole lives for our growing burgeoning tribes of Kindom, then these raw-living food eating tribal elders will come forward.

It is the purity and sincerity reflected in our deeds as well as our feelings and thoughts which will have them come out to co-create with us. I have no evidence of what I have just stated, I just feel it and am contemplating on these feelings to see what information unfolds and just who and what turns up down the line. Lets see what comes down-the-line.

Also: We must realise that dark-skin indigenous men and women who still kill and eat warm and cold blooded creatures are fallen men and women just like ourselves. I have spoken with various tribal elders and I ask them why they kill and eat these flesh and blood creatures? Like many Christians, Muslims and Jews they believe they have a God-given inherit right to eat flesh and blood creatures. So I ask them questions like....

a) show me the incontrovertible evidence that any flesh and blood creature has given its permission to be killed and eaten by you or by anyone else?

b) why the hunt, the chase, the nets, the baits, the lines, the traps, the spears, the bow and arrows, the boomerangs and every other implement of death?

c) why doesn't the creature just willingly come before you and die, firstly removing its consciousness before you can eat its rotting carcass without consciousness embodied?

etc etc

You know.. with sincerity and purity of heart they just can't answer these questions.

Any man, woman or child eating flesh and blood creatures is a fallen MAN feeling, thinking & eating distortions of creation and therefore creating distortions of MAN. I say this just because some men and women have a tendency to revere anything said by an indigenous man or woman just because they are indigenous, rather than realising that, just as among the rest of us, there are some very wise men and women and some not so wise and that wisdom has nothing to do with the colour of their skin!

I am sure that there are some totally pure, Anastasia-like indigenous men and women out there, one from Gondwanaland visited me twice early 2006, but I don't think we will be seeing them until we have proven ourselves a little.

Love Arthur

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Ian Cotterall Permalink Reply by Ian Cotterall on 22 May 2009 at 8:54pm

Hi Arthur,
Arthur I know a local indigenous elder personally and I discovered that his people's country is the exact same country that I've had my eyes on for a motherland for some time. We have started a little free man group here in Mackay and I have introduced the members to Anastasia. So we have a Free Man group orientated to the message of "The Cedars". One of the members is a indigenous lass. At our meeting last sunday we decided to approach the Aboriginal family with the view to introducing them to Anastasia and discussing the idea of claiming their homeland which was stolen from them with the veiw to setting up a Kins Domain on it.Now your info begs the question who really does have claim to this particular piece of land as their homeland. Ian Cotterall.
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Ian Cotterall Permalink Reply by Ian Cotterall on 25 May 2009 at 8:40pm

I can see if we push forward with this, working with the indigenous peoples and spreading the message of Anastasia,helping them reclaim their country, through the Free man concept, that a great healing will occur.

We will really know what saying sorry means then. Ian.
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Kali Neilson Permalink Reply by Kali Neilson on 25 May 2009 at 9:20pm

Yes Ian, a great healing will occur - I send you my blessings on your journey with this.

This is a photo of my friend Jundo and I, in SImpson Desert Country. She said to me - I have never done a wrong thing and I answer only to this one down here (as she patted the ground) and that one up there - as she pointed to the Sky.. And I said Amen to that my Sister. She held my hand to her forehead and rocked gently. She is a great great grandmother and we were sitting in "her Fathers Country" in this photo..

Take back your Motherland people! Anastasia says...

For peoples information: Some people, more than others, have conscious connection to their motherland - In Australia it is called "Country" by Indigenous Australians.

I dont really care about getting into debating the history - it is past - if people have a present moment conscious connection to country then that is a blessing - it just means they know where the land is and has been sacred to their family, their tribe and they honour this connection to it. and that is a lot further down the road for creating spaces of love then for the many displaced white people around the world who dont know their own ancestry let alone where their ancestors country might have been. IT is too easy to be arrogant on this issue and miss the point of what an Ancient Culture very much grounded in connection to Nature, can teach us.

Love Kali
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Ian Cotterall Permalink Reply by Ian Cotterall on 26 May 2009 at 9:14pm

Great pic Kali, jut love it.You know I feel a kinship with those people.I worked at Pormpuraaw, or the old Edward River Mission, in 2001. I just loved it up there and the people loved me too, and I them. I seem to get on well with aboriginal people, and I was so dissappointed that I had to leave. I just feel drawn to them and their "country". There is just something about them that is attractive. I cut timber on Blackdown Tableland in Central Qld. in 1976. I have never forgotten the place. I had a powerful spiritual expierence up there, that had a profound impact on my life. I'm just drawn to it not so much because of the spiritual expierence, just the oneness with it all up there, those majestic big Stringy-Barks, the ferns, beautiful crystal clear creeks running over sandstone. Haven't been back there since that time, I reckon I'm due for a visit.I visited the old elder Tim Kemp today.

He doesn't know of white indigenous people in this land, and doesn't know of anybody who does. Tim is 87 and getting slower.

He told me the old people didn't tell his generation about the history of his people, which saddened me.

I just feel so drawn to that country, I feel it's my motherland. I just have to get an angle on the White indigenous people. I feel that this is my purpose and I have to see it to the end.love to you and yours Kali, and to all the others out there. Ian.

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Reply by Kali Neilson on 27 May 2009 at 10:01am

Hi Ian - oh thank you for sharing this with me - you wont believe that one of the most important parts of my trip was the three days we spent in Black Down NAtional Park - it is truly amazing place and I can understand your affinity with it. IT needs people. Definitely.

We spent very sacred time there - It was the place we we adjusted ourselves from socienty to nature and the waterholes there are truly sacred dreamtime waterholes.. - I felt I was there for a purpose of recognising the need for people to be inhabiting that place again.. I felt the forest speak to me - in fact there is footage of me talking about what I felt when I was there about the forest missing the sounds of the children playing, and that it was saddened that the people were no longer there. The forest was not thriving because of its sadness.

This is definitely one of the places that I have been where the NAtional PArk needs to be reclaimed by the remaining Indigenous people of that area. IT is just so perfect that this where you feel your motherland is and where I have recently been - I can give you my aboslute conscious support with insight for this vision of yours.. for I was shown much while I was there.

On the last day we had been sitting by the creek and waterholes all day and I wandered up the creek to say my last goodbyes and I looked down and saw an ochre stone and scratchings on the rock.. I thought my friend must have done it earlier for sure, but wondered why he would have left the stone because he collects everything he finds sacred.

It so utterly looked like someone had just been there and scratched the rocks , yet we had been the only ones there all day. My friend said no, he had not seen it when he walked up there earlier. which was hard to believe of him - he sees everything.. It was a mystery but this ochre stone was left there for me and I said - "Well I dont know what this is for but I thank you for this gift whoever has left this for me - I know you will show me in time what I am to do with this." Maybe it has something to do with you and yes you do need to go there. IT is time .

and you need to talk to the Aboriginal people about moving their families back there so the forest can be happy again.

I'll make a separate photo album of just the shots from Blackdown so you can see. -

Thank you for sharing - slowly we put the jigsaw of our natural heritage back together.

Love to hear about your spiritual experience up there..

love Kali

HEre is the album of some of the photos from Munall xx
http://ringingcedars.ning.com/photo/albums/munall-mimosa-camp-black...

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Kali Neilson Permalink Reply by Kali Neilson on 27 May 2009 at 10:30am

Ian - I just pressed save and the phone rang! - it was my Friend Lindsay Booke - the President of the Central Land Council who just got round to calling me after 5 weeks!.. so I must have stirred something up on the grid as I was writing this to you ..

HE is the Custodian North Simpson Desert Country and is the Son of Junedo - in the other photo. He doesn't know of any ancient white race in Australia either..! lol..

He has a bushtucker camp out there - my friends and I are very welcome there - maybe we should all go out there sometime and have a yarn about things together.. Take your old mate with us?? I want to take the boys out there and winter is the best time to go..

Whadyareckonmate?

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Ian Cotterall Permalink Reply by Ian Cotterall on 27 May 2009 at 8:53pm

It's one of the best ideas I've heard in years. Ian.

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Ian Cotterall Permalink Reply by Ian Cotterall on 29 May 2009 at 10:26pm

Kali- My old friend Tim Kemp is about 87, or 88, he's getting a bit frail now, he has slowed down considerably over the last few years. It'd be great to take him on a trip, I don't know whether it would be harmful for him to take such a long trip into the interior. Maybe we could use some healing on him to assure a pleasant trip for him. I'm in favor of useing my ray. I use it a lot now, and I think it's working with my friends.Ian.

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Ian Cotterall Permalink Reply by Ian Cotterall on 27 May 2009 at 8:57pm

Well it's nearly 9pm Kali and I'm still in my work clothes. I will be happy to tell you about my spiritual expierence, but it will take some time so I'll tell you tomorrow, okay, don't let me forget. Ian.

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Ian Cotterall Permalink Reply by Ian Cotterall on 29 May 2009 at 10:29pm

I still havn't forgotten Kali, I will tell you, it's just that the night gets away from me. Ian.

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Kali Neilson Permalink Reply by Kali Neilson on 5 June 2009 at 7:34pm

Maybe you have been busy with healing all your friends and family! which is the most important.. What a month MAy was - things will just flow very effortlessly when the time is right. I am not yet sure what I am to do regarding my connection to Ancient Australia, but we will know when the time comes.. I hope you are well and I send you my love and brighttest thoughts for the care you are taking for the people around you! love Kali

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Arthur & Fiona Cristian Permalink Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian on 23 May 2009 at 11:29am

Hi Ian
There is no mould that fashioned all souls of light/consciousness into a sameness. We are all unique and the uniqueness shines most brightly when we are co-creating selflessly with each other. MAN is just MAN. There is no such thing as the man-made constructs of time or space or lots or plots or race or culture or creed or nation or country or state or territory or deeds or titles or contracts or conditions etc etc that govern/rule MAN.

The man-made, imagined, out-of-thin-air "Rules Of The Divide" do not exist as part of the fabric of creation, of co-creation. Our conscience, our empathy, our compassion, our heartfelt inspired intuition/perceptions/gut-instincts/feelings is our consciousness and is the glorious radiant light (INSPIRATION) of the creator's consciousness of MAN co-creating with MAN, Nature and Earth to SERVE the Creator's Creation which expands the Creator's dream for Creation.

Do whatever you feel inspired to do, Ian. With consciousness guiding the way you are expanding the consciousness of creation without Doing Harm to creation, MAN being part of creation. Wherever our consciousness takes us, even when our consciousness guides/takes us (inspires us) to enter into the darkest places where unconsciousness resides, we can only do good. While we are expanding love, we can only bring peace. When we all follow our consciences, using our brains to think through the inspiration of consciousness we feel, we are expanding consciousness.

None of us own anything - we are supposed to be caretakers and stewards of the land, not owners. We are all the fingers of the Creator's hands, taking care of creation and our brains are the receptors of the Creator's consciousness. The High Priest taught us to lose our connection with the hands and arms of the Creator so we are all running around as individuals instead of co-creators. All the wars and genocide between black, white, yellow, brown and red are part of the dream of the High Priest, not of creation. Our job (inspiration of co-creation) is to remember our connection to the hands of the creator so we let go of our selfishness (individualism) and co-create regardless of colour, creed, race, nationality, belief, wants etc.

If you and your group are inspired to get access to that land through a land rights claim, why not? Use the fiction to get out of the fiction but don't let the fiction rule you, don't let (invite in) the 3rd parties of the fiction to intercede, intermeddle and interlope in your affairs of expanding consciousness because they (the unconscious) will stop you from co-creating with the creator.

I guess what I am inspired to share with you is for you to be very clear about your intent.

In great admiration of your wonderful dream.
Fiona and I support you wholeheartedly in this endeavour.
We wish you all the best

Love Arthur

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Kali Neilson Permalink Reply by Kali Neilson on 23 May 2009 at 12:12pm

Yes. Good Answer - helpful and insightful and concise!

Although - the diverse cultures of Man is real. IT is born of his connection to Earth in a certain place and God did indeed make all the wonderful diversity of people and cultures the same as he made all the diversity we find in nature. Respecting each others individual and cultural diversity and reclaiming our connection to Creation is the way forward, while letting go of anything that may have slipped in when we were disempowered.

Love Kali
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Arthur & Fiona Cristian Permalink Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian on 23 May 2009 at 1:34pm

How true how true Kali.

Without the intent to alter your attire, your uniqueness, I would say "Respecting each others uniqueness and diversities of tribes created by the co-creation of our combined uniqueness and reclaiming our connection to Creation is the way forward"

I point this out because cultures are man-made con-structs as well, fashioned out of the High Priests "Rules Of The Divide". There are no cultures or creeds, just Man and Man and Man and Man and Man.......... co-creating creation.

Have you watched the 9 Untold Black History videos yet? If yes or when you do, do let me know what comes to you. I left a lot of my thoughts/insights out to leave plenty of room for others to interpret our true history, to share what they feel happened to Man.

This is a fantastic post you started Kali and provides us all with an important discussion.... crossing all the t's and dotting all the i's to unravelling Mans true history. Once we learn/have unraveled our (MANS) true heritage we can then finally put to rest all the chaos in our (MANS) feelings and thoughts caused by the High Priest and move on to greener pastures.

Love Arthur
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Glen Butler Permalink Reply by Glen Butler on 23 May 2009 at 4:14pm

Oh so much homework here! Thank you for the insights. I'll have a look through the videos Arthur before I say anything too much.

Does anyone know of or into Keylontic science? Many teachings there about the history of human beings that go way back.. I had not heard of White skin people on Gondwanaland before, did it coincide with Mu or Atlantis?

There is so much information floating around the net from apples to Zetas, information is great but information overload creates so much confusion and mindedness... All information and truth is within us, we know it all already, we just need to re-gain access instead of relying on the external for reassurance, knowledge and communication. The internet I guess is a doorway to consciousness, a tool, I feel that the falling of Atlantis due to thier dependence upon external techz is similar to our current situation. I can't wait to Un-Plug :> Until then lets flow!

Glen

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Ian Cotterall Permalink Reply by Ian Cotterall on 25 May 2009 at 8:31pm

Arthur disregard my last posting in relation to the email instructions I have worked it out I know how to read your
replies now . Ian

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Reply by chris on 27 May 2009 at 1:13pm

I Chris Cole, awoken/awakening Vedruss, vedic that there is one hectare of land on earth, where I may conjointly create my space of love, within a ringing cedars kin's village, a kin's oasis!

By my soul this place has been indicated to be the head waters of the Ukerbarley creek, on the trashed grassy flats, whereabouts the black and white pine, wedgetail eagles and the bingah wingal dwell.

The earth of this land has been ceremoniously painted on my face by the spirits of the ancestors of this land on the 19th Oct 2008. I am welcome! Ho!

I awoke as Vedruss this time in 2007, while walking in the hills around where I was born and grew up in New Zealand. I had been reading the ringing cedars. A lot of tears and emotions, often bringing along memory flashbacks - recapitulation was taking place.

I was thinking deeply about these spaces of love that we are going to create and about these amazing times of our transition, our awakening which we are going through now. I was thinking about who I am. It was feeling very powerful and emotional. I said "I am Vedruss awakening!".

Instantly my head turned.

One can feel when someones eyes are upon them, I feel this a lot, and sure enough my head spins as in a breath and our eyes meet. They may be in the traffic looking out of their window or at the other end of a grocery queue or in a crowd, and the moment is so fleeting their eyes have not had time to look away. In fact I purposefully resist this moment now a days and just know, because "I am sorry", I was not meaning to catch anyone out.

I was looking directly into the face and eyes of God. The representation of God at this time (in my capacity) was the moon.

The day was quite cold but crispy clear blue sky. I looked directly towards our mountain. It is a dormant volcano 2700 feet straight up. The face and eyes I looked directly into were the moon. The moon was surreal, crisp clear and white, suspended in space and sitting right on the shoulder of the mountain with a slight shadow on the lower left. There were two eyes as though this face was peeping intensely from behind the mountain looking directly at me in that moment. Wow! So amazing, I acknowledged God. Thank you! I couldn't take my eyes off of the moon as I walked the kilometer back home, The moon somehow stayed in this suspended peeping position climbing all the way to the top of the mountain, as I walked along this kilometer distance.

The people of this land around here (Coonabarabran) the original tribe, there full blood has died out, I have been told, about 50 years ago and the language has been somewhat lost. Even bingah wingal is only thought to be the name of the ancient grass tree.
I heard a tit bit of information the other day though which I perked up as exciting and promising, that their language was musical.

Peace
Chris

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Kali Neilson Permalink Reply by Kali Neilson on 5 June 2009 at 7:30pm

Beautiful sharing, thank you Chris.. love Kali

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Isabelle Permalink Reply by Isabelle on 6 June 2009 at 7:08am

Great message Chris..... looks like you have truly found your Space...

Keep us posted!

Grins,
Isabelle

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Waking Up From The Fairytale/Matrix (The High Priest's Program)

Waking Up From The Fairytale/Matrix (The High Priest's Program): http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/6610#comment-1475

12th June 2009

Vestnik wrote:

Hi Athur and Fiona,
RE: your issue with PayPal Notification of Limited Account Access

Why don't you just give them a call? This way you at least will be able to talk to a real person.
When I had some problems with PayPal, I remember that correspondence helped me very little but when I finally called them by phone, everything was sorted out very quickly, just because I did not hang up the phone until they resolved my question.
May be if you call them you resolve your problem in a few minutes.

I wish you all the best,
Yuri Smirnov
www.spaceoflovemagazine.com

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12th June 2009

Love For Life Campaign wrote:

Hi Yuri
We did phone them. The problem they have with us is much much bigger than most realise, we are penetrating too deeply into mainstream for the establishments liking. I have 20 years of self-made business experience behind me in marketing, PR, sales, wheeling and dealing etc. Employed many hundreds of staff and turned over many many millions of dollars. Anyone who knows me well can tell you that if I can't break through the barriers, then no one else can bar insiders or by forcing them to acquiesce under extreme pressure which is what Fiona and I are now applying via the website and mailing list.

It appears the website will breakthrough the 3 million strikes per month barrier this month. And we still do all this for free - for love - as a gift of creation to inspire others to co-creation of Kindom.

For your interest, almost 2 weeks ago Fiona and I have pulled out of the Ringing Cedars rEvolution website/forum http://ringingcedars.ning.com and so have others.

Also we have not received any of your latest copies of Space Of Love bar the first issue.

Look forward to meeting you one day.

Al the best
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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13th June 2009

Vestnik wrote:

Atrhur,
I deeply respect you and Fiona and your idea of Kindom and Love for Life is great.
However I don't understand why are you are following this path.
I did not have time to deep in to the fight, you undertake, only slightly touched the surface.
To tell you the truth, I have an impression that you initiated it all by yourself (to some extent, of course) and I don't understand WHY.
Do you like all this fighting? There are other ways to deal with this.
Why don't you just start an ecovillage and create a Space of Love for your family?
I never heard about any big problems happening with other newlyborn ecovillages, like Shambhala Shasta.

I hope you don't mind me asking this question.

Yuri

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13th June 2009

Hello Yuri
Thank you for your kind words and support of Fiona and I

Back in the early/mid 1980's a new media company started up in Sydney (in Alexandria/Waterloo/Rosebery ---- within 4 miles/6ks of the Sydney CBD), with plans to be another media force (Newspapers, magazines, tv, radio etc) challenging the Murdoch Press and the Packer Press who controlled almost all of Australia's media one way or another (and both are controlled by the Rothschilds - this is a fact). This new competitor set up in a massive industrial estate with many hundreds of staff, backed by vast amounts of fictional $$$$$. Within days of commencing operation the huge industrial estate building was raided by a very large gang of thugs one early evening mid-week and many of the new staff working there were ALL brutally and severely bashed, some with broken bones, etc, etc. The building was ransacked and then completely burnt to the ground. All the workers were tied, gagged and warned to keep their mouths shut or they and their families etc would ALL be killed etc etc. The only news to come out to this day was the building on fire. Nothing else was ever mentioned anywhere, no police involved, no politicians, no enquiries, just absolutely nothing. And yet many police, politicians, journalists etc knew what really happened and said/did nothing. A close friend who was involved deeply in politics and was also a media man and a known film director with all the right connections told me everything about this event back then over 20 years ago. He said nothing as well and so the public were kept in the dark. This is just one example of many, in fact of many many thousands when you also consider Waco, Jones Town massacre. 9/11, Bali Bombings, Ruby Ridge massacre etc etc.

Today, we have many many thousands of Australians in Jail who sought freedom. All innocent, all having done no harm to man, earth or nature. In the eyes of the establishment all they did wrong was to stand up to the establishment system determined to have their true freedom. More than 100 hundred alternative communities around Australia have been raided and destroyed since the 1960's. Some were set up as cults, sects etc, others were set up with drugs and yet others were set up with kidnapping children or supposedly harbouring criminals etc etc. Yet again many others were infiltrated and destroyed from within. They even destroyed the spirit of Byron Bay. Now its known as not a safe place. In Australia alone we already have a 10,000 strong law enforcement operative in place to deal with break away communities etc. They have tasers, laser weapons, a range of chemical sprays amongst a vast array of other evil equipment for both attack and defence.

And then there is the Soviet holocaust of 60 million killed within the space of 15 years...(less than 80 years ago).... the Chinese Holocaust that killed 60 million Chinese less than 50 years ago...... can you truly comprehend the extent of murder carried out by the establishment behind the Soviets and the Chinese, the same bloodline establishment in control today, the same establishment behind all the major wars which caused billions and billions of innocent men, women and children to die over the last 300 years. The same establishment behind the Jewish holocaust of 250,000 (not 6 million - all bullshit), the same establishment behind the Cambodian holocaust, the Romanian Holocaust, the Nigerian Holocaust, The Rhodesian Holocaust, The Palestinian Holocaust, The American North/Central/South American Indian holocausts which killed over 1 billion men, women and children over the past 500 years, the Aboriginal Holocaust on Gondwanaland which killed over 40 million less than 300 years ago, The American Civil War Holocaust, etc etc etc etc.

The same establishment bloodlines behind HAARP, Chemtrails, Regan Star Wars Laser Satellites, ELF, Vaccinations, Mercury, MSG, Aspartame, Fluoride, Fast Food, Obesity, Food Additives, genetics, altering seeds, nutritional deficiencies, 100,000+ poisons/chemicals circulating and absorbing the planet and man, recycled sewage, poo and wees as drinking water, etc etc etc etc all-together preparing the way for the soon to be global holocaust of men, women and children in the billions if we don't stop it. This is a Molotov cocktail triggered by highly explosive and brilliant intellects who are without consciousness embodied, leading the way towards a soon-to-be mass genocide, who together act like a racehorse who has already turned the final corner and is bolting down the finishing line as fast as possible.

ARE YOU PREPARED YURI???

Do you know how to handle these psychopaths???

Do you have the remedy that will truly stop all these psychopaths???

WE DO!!!!!!!

We know one family here who have a small farm - 35 acres - and they had the council out inspecting their water tanks etc and they were even told they had to put notices above outside taps that were not drinking water in case anyone drank from them! This was on their so-called private property! There are many thousands of cases we have information on including our own documented events with police and sheriffs to show just how ruthless the establishment is. Now the swine flu has gone to category 6, setting the scenario for forced vaccinations shortly and military curfews etc. Those who refuse to be vaccinated will be seen like lepers, dangerous to the wider community and thus captured and removed to one of the 84 Fema camps if he/she is an American citizen. This will become a worldwide pandemic with other man-made diseases/virus let loose, preparing the way for the brutal pre-conceived murder of over 90% of the total global population over the coming 5 to 10 years. Everyone who gets vaccinated or is captured by the NWO enforcers will not be with us anymore in a few years time.

I wrote so much more about this subject a few weeks ago here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6566 in a conversation with Kali (Ringing Cedars rEvolution Forum/Website - http://ringingcedars.ning.com) which led me to see that she was a space cadet, in denial, and wearing rose coloured glasses, encouraging others to act this way as well. Scroll down in that link you will find communication with another woman who I have a deep respect for her wisdom, discussing Kali. It explains why Fiona and I and many others have removed ourselves from this "sweet" forum.

As stated in this recent email........ http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/6610#comment-1460 ... "In the meantime its very clear that the New Age Movement / Cosmic Galactic Consciousness Movement / Channelling Movement / Crop Circles/ET/Alien Movement / Freeman/Truth Movement / Conspiracy Movement etc etc etc etc are infiltrating the brains of almost everyone we meet these days who have read or are now reading the RC Books.

It staggers us just how deeply ingrained this New Age bullshit is. They really believe its all true and that Anastasia is part of it and supports it.

Ohhhh the inspirations of love, reaching out to break through the heavy-dense shields of this almost brain-dead trance that con-structs drones and inspire whatever remains of consciousness to reuse their brains once again. They are hypnotised memorisers stuck in a never-ending play-back loop of fiction. The repetitiveness of focusing on these false-idol images of creation/truth/reality keeps them trapped in the fairytale/matrix.

I have not done this but many occasion I wanted to say "Please Take Me To Your Leader".
or
"Helloooooooooooooo, Anyone Home"??????

A little of this is posted here: Link: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6566#comment-1412

Joyce, I am frustrated and yes its my problem and I take full responsibility for this but hey, if you had a grown-up son or daughter living away from home, shooting up heroin and they did not want to listen to you, no matter what, and you love them deeply, but are left feeling powerless to help while they continue destroying their lives day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, comes the frustration. This is the frustration I feel in loving MAN unconditionally. They are all part of me and I am part of them. I must keep growing, keep expanding consciousness."
Yuri, do you think the establishment is going to let kindoms evolve who are free from the grip of the establishment?

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Have you not yet worked out what Fiona and I are up to and why we are doing what we are doing? It appears that you have not yet put the effort in to study our work so that you truly and fully comprehend what we are all about.

The Shambhala Shasta is not a Kindom and never will be while they remain contracted to "The Crown" (freemasonic world/shadow government that governs the copyright of the Western World Civilisation of Commerce) in every way imaginable and so much more. You are obviously not fully aware of what is really happening with many of the new Russian Kindoms trying to get off the ground. Associates of Joyce researching team in Colorado USA returned after an extensive research expedition in Rus. Things are not looking so good Yuri unless one wears a fixed pair of rose coloured glasses so they can just ignore everything dark and just focus on the pink. And they tried to burn down Mikhail Petrovich Shchetinin Kins/Lycos School at Tecos. Do you remember that? Things are not looking good.

Always out in the open, always up front, we are just trying to motivate people in the system (the white collars) to turn away from the system. How can we have a Kindom when we are still contracting to the fiction by (putting our energy/power of creation into) paying our rates, applying for licences for our bores, paying our land tax, mortgages, loans, income tax, registrations, permits, titles, certificates, etc, etc, etc? Thousands of dead-corpse con-structs drawing in the dark-side to meddle in our affairs. Where does all that fictitious "money" (putting our energy/power of creation into) go? Back into supporting the system (the fairytale) that doesn't want us (MAN) to have freedom, of course! While we contract to (putting our energy/power of creation into) the system, we fill the pay packets of (putting our energy/power of creation into) our jailers! which increases the strength of the dark-side bouncing back at us.

And the space cadets want to create Kindoms by just ignoring everything (as Kali does) of the dark-side while still contracting to (putting their energy/power of creation into) the dark-side left-right-center in every way imaginable. How ludicrous, stupid and insane can one get.

And you think we are fighting!

How wrong you are to think like this Yuri.

How will you ever know what we are really doing if you don't put the effort in to learn what we know.

Please do not end up as one of the statistics
of space cadets piled up like the carcasses
of a most recent lost humanity.....

This is what will happen to all the space cadets wearing rose coloured glasses

in a few years time trying to co-create communities/kindoms
while still stupidly contracting with the beast of hell.

And before you reply/anyone replies please fully study the body of the Love For Life work so that you fully comprehend what the REMEDY is.
A clue is found here in the Love For Life mission statement: http://loveforlife.com.au/mission

Website Mission Statement

Love For Life

We all want freedom but we have introduced selfishness to our notions of freedom; we interpret freedom as financial freedom, personal freedom, freedom to choose who to love, and the freedom to choose how to harm ourselves, others and the earth. We have forgotten that the way to freedom for ourselves lies in the creation of freedom for everybody. The way to freedom lies in the constant acts of love that we create daily.

Our acts of love are creation and we cannot own them, just as we cannot own others or the earth. When we lovingly thread our lives into the fabric of the wave of creation, that wave keeps rolling along, sustaining and nourishing those riding it.

If we choose to pull our thread out of the fabric of the wave of creation and sit on the shore, separated from love, to watch the wave roll past, we are no longer part of creation and become part of the chaos of greed, selfishness, power, control and violence that is our world today. As more and more people separate their threads, the wave of creation of acts of love flattens out to become a trickle, unable to make an impact on chaos.

Wherever there is harm being done, there are no acts of love being created, and while there are no acts of love in your life, you will not find acts of love when you die. You will remain entwined in the mesh of chaos that you have created throughout your life. While we choose to remain separated from love, we are choosing to support the harm being created by our laws, our politics, our businesses, our education, our poisons and chemicals, our pollution, our viruses, our buildings, our cars, our jobs, our beliefs, our religions and our recreation.

Instead of ‘fighting’ for freedom, we need to create acts of love. When we take care of love, love takes care of freedom, peace, abundance, health, happiness, relationships, family and community. We do not need to go within; when we breathe out through our acts of love, we can breathe in the acts of love of others around us.

Is our world full of acts of love?

Is the wave of creation rolling along over our planet creating freedom for everyone or has it slowed to a trickle as most of us struggle for survival, with our struggles benefiting only a few fat cats at the top?
When are you going to make your life an act of love, so we can all create freedom for all?

Love For Life is for the constant creation of acts of love that create freedom for everyone and for our earth forever.

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And many more clues are found in our second reply to Grant here (scroll down): Dear Arthur, Questions On Your Ideas: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6566#comment-1412

Conscious Love Always
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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14th June 2009

Thank you for your reply, Arthur.
I don't want to argue. I respect your determination but this is not my path.
I am aware of my predestination and will follow the path I have chosen.
I wish you all the best on the path you have chosen.
Yuri

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15th June 2009

Dear Yuri
This is not about arguing, instead this is all about waking up, waking up, waking up out of the fairytale, waking up out of the high priest's program. Its about remembering WHO WE REALLY ARE. Its about stopping putting all our energy/power of creation into fictitious 3rd parties who are the fallen men and women (from consciousness) putting ALL their energy/power of creation into the high priest's program as his administrators, managers, coordinators, representatives, supervisors, public servants, bureaucrats, law enforcement officers, judges, politicians, big business private corporation executives etc, etc.

Do you not yet comprehend the significance of fictitious 3rd parties and the consequences that arise out of dealing with (putting our energy/power of creation into) these fictitious 3rd parties and the fictitious con-structs they offer for MAN to contract to (to fall from consciousness and remain fallen)????

The third parties interfere with the direct co-creation we (MAN) are supposed to have with the creator as 1st parties. An example of this: the Creator gave us water to co-create with but today, we cannot have access to water without intermeddling, interloping, interceding third party contracts, permits, licences, registrations, certificates, quantities, bottlers, registered tanks, registered bores, purifiers, etc, etc, etc. Water is now owned by The State, a private corporation, a fictitious 3rd party.

Now, instead of sharing the acts of love we co-create unconditionally as gifts of substance (in service) for the benefit of one another (our tribes, our communities, our villages, our families, our partners, our children, our nature, our earth, our creation), we have to use fictitious money and deal with all the regulations, complications and conditions that arrive from that to exchange our acts of creation, our fruits of labour. The State, The Nation, The Country, The Territory, The Principality, etc, etc, "The Crown", all private corporations, all fictitious 3rd parties, they own all the fruits of MANS labour, they own and regulate and control and have complete power over all MANS gifts. Today, everything about fallen men/women/children is COMPROMISED and is CONDITIONAL!!!!!!!

You are implying that I am arguing and that you do not want to argue with me but....... I am just not interested in arguing as there are far more important things to do with co-creation than arguing, like WAKING UP OUT OF LA LA LAND. I am determined to wake up as many of my brothers and sisters of fallen consciousness as possible. Do you want to be woken up from the fairytale or do you want to remain trapped in the high priest's matrix????

Don't you realise that The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce (everything about it) IS THE HIGH PRIEST'S PROGRAM???

Don't you realise that when you are putting your energy/power of creation into any fiction no matter what, you are putting your energy/power of creation into the high priest's program to expand it, to prop it up, to feed it, to keep it going strong so that THE BEAST (the program) can bounce back and destroy and destroy and destroy and destroy CREATION (Consciousness) MAN, NATURE, EARTH.

Western World money, fiat, interest, credit, gold-standard, debt, loans, cash, cheques, credit cards, mortgages, overdrafts, bills-of-exchange, promissory notes, bonds, etc, etc are part of the high priest's program. Western World banks, insurance, governments, courts of law, law enforcements, private corporations, agencies, departments, divisions, forces, offices, councils, universities, churches, mosques, temples, synagogues, politicians, senators, representatives, directors, executives, treasurers, agents, brokers, public schools, colleges, high schools, priests, ministers, monks, lamas, rabbis, popes, bishops, archbishops, cardinals, educators, professors, academics, experts, psychologists, councillors, historians, scientists, etc, etc, are part of the high priest's program.

Western World licences, registrations, permits, titles, deeds, certificates, passports, visas, citizenships, applications, contracts, statutes, persons, strawmans, agents-in-commerce, tolls, statements, receipts, invoices, bills, fees, fines, penalties, interest, tariffs, yields, bounties, affidavits, notices, notice of motion, statement of claim, precedence, degrees, lots, plots, acreages, hectares, societies, publics, etc, etc are part of the high priest's program.

Western World channelling, channelled beings from other worlds/dimensions etc, ghosts, spirits, entities, thought-forms, apparitions, aliens, reptilians, ET's, UFO's, higher beings, The Elders At The Gate, The White Brotherhood, galaxies, dimensions, levels, planes, crop circles, New Age, all esoterics, all occults, sacred geometry, geometry, mathematics, read and write alphabet languages, 2012, Nostradamus, The Mayan Calendar, all holy books, Jews, Catholics, Christians, Orthodox, Protestant, Conservatives, Atheists, Hebrews, Buddhists, Arabs, Muslims, sects, cults, creeds, races, cultures, time, space, rules, regulations, rituals, procedures, conditions, carbon dating, etc, etc are part of the high priest's program.

Western World selves, persons, individuals, ego's, mind's, etc, etc are part of the high priest's program.

Western World motor vehicles (cars, vans, trucks, bikes, rocket ships, satellites etc), trains, planes, ships/boats, petroleum, oil, diesel, electricity, gas, coal, nuclear, fusion, television, telephones, mobile/cell phones, internet, radio, DVD's, Videos, CD's, digital, audio, electronics, newspapers, magazines, media, movies, Hollywood, current affairs, journalists, compares, announcers, advertising, billboards, commercials, fashion, sport, sex, pornography, industries, institutions, etc, etc, are part of the high priest's program.

Western World freeman, administrative processes, claims of rights, claims of life, UCC, foundations, trusts, accounts, procedures, conspiracies, etc, etc, are part of the high priest's program.

We already have all of the above as part our (MANS) consciousness yet we have forsaken consciousness (LOVE) for fictions (ideas without consciousness embodied - the consciousness has been removed from the ideas, thoughts, feelings and deeds - we no longer think, feel and act as gifts of/for creation) and the fictitious 3rd parties to compensate for our fall (our forgetfulness) from consciousness. With consciousness we have telepathy but now as fallen man, we are governed by fictitious 3rd party private corporations offering digital and analogue telecommunication services so we can communicate with each other.

Have you ever stopped to think just how much of your waking time, day after day, month after month, year after year, is spent putting all your energy/power of creation into the dream of the high priest and not into creation?????

Have you ever considered just how many fictitious 3rd parties you are contracted to where all your energy/power of creation is directly pumped into the program of the high priest, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year?

Have you ever considered what is THE REMEDY that will stop you from putting ALL your energy/power of creation into the high priests program or at least dramatically reduce the amount of energy you are expending in supporting the agenda of the high priest????

WE HAVE Yuri, and we have spent almost 3 years now determined to wake up anyone we can reach and inspire them to truly awaken from the high priests fairytale (nightmare) before it is too late.

Anyone who is conscious, who studies the body of the Love For Life work, who will go where the truth of heartfelt inspired logic takes them and who will not argue for a belief (a point of view held firmly without any substance/consciousness to back it) just for the sake of it, awakens to the REMEDY that Fiona and I have awakened to, the same REMEDY that Anastasia "WALKS-THE-TALK".

We talk about this REMEDY over and over and over and over and over and over and over again throughout almost all of our posts in the Love For Life website for almost 3 years now and it is also found as comments in many of my emails, in fact its chronic this repetition of "community immunity" of creating large "tribes" which are creating "the gifts" (the acts of love) to benefit (serve) creation (others, MAN, Nature, Earth). But, the selfish, too attached to a fictitious self, ignore the REMEDY we offer because it offers no benefit for the wants and needs of their fictitious selves. Therefore it is impossible while in a state of selfishness (the me, me, me, i, i, i) to awaken to the REMEDY and be the REMEDY (the gift) that walks-the-talk.

Those who put the effort in, those with a pure and sincere heart not corrupted by fiction (fairytales), the realists, they are the ones who awaken to the REMEDY because it will clearly stand out for them, as clearly as a bird singing beautifully on a branch. It is only those who are still lost in a state of selfishness (self-centered-ness) that will feel and think a hopeless outcome for their "fictitious selves"! Those who have the burden of constantly carrying the most heavy weight that is a fictitious self putting all their energy/power of creation into its fictitious needs will suffer and suffer and suffer and suffer and suffer and suffer. To them its just like pushing a wheelbarrow full of concrete up a huge mountain that keeps going up and up and up without respite and without no end in sight.

What can be done is the formation of large tribes as "gifts", creating "gifts" that are all about looking after one another ("the gift of community immunity") and then, as soon as possible, onto the land (a gift), sharing the continuation of our acts of love (gifts), etc, etc, etc, as written about many, many, many times in our articles, email correspondence, etc. The land comes from the inspiration of gifts being shared freely, whether gifts of land, fictional dollars to buy land, "taking" crown land, or whatever. Remember, the Creator created the earth (a gift) out of the creators inspiration and created MAN (a gift) to experience it (the gifts).

In reality, when we create dreams that are Spaces Of Love, be it a child or a family or a partnership/friendship or a garden or a meal or a bond with a creature, etc, etc, we are creating "GIFTS" to expand the consciousness of creation. We cannot "own" these gifts otherwise they are not gifts. All gifts are gifts because they are set free to benefit others. No needs for the fictitious self come into focus. We also must become a full-time walking-talking-co-creating gift for the benefit of creation (and not for self). Do you comprehend this shift in focus? Do you realise how hard this is to do for almost everyone today, and yet this is what has to be done if we all want to get out of the high priests program! When we are living our lives co-creating gifts for the benefit of others is only then when we will step out of the matrix.

Seeing the problem is only half of the solution, but it is half of the solution and I sometimes feel the need to paint it big and black for those who refuse to look at it because they can never fully comprehend the remedy while they refuse to see the problem. How do you know where and how to apply the bandage if you won't look at the wound?

Anastasia does not contract with the Western World Civilisation of commerce because it does not exist in her glade. She has nothing to do with the Western World (the fairytale) and neither does the Western World (the program of the high priest) have anything to do with Anastasia or her grandparents or her children. But those who worship the high priests program, who put all their energy/power of creation into contracting with the fairytale are BOUND to the fairytale and there they remain TRAPPED and ENSLAVED to the will of the establishment, that is the program/agenda of the high priest!!!!! Anastasia is focused on creating "gifts" to help fallen Man return to creation, to consciousness, to stop being self-centered individuals. But she can't do this for us, she can only inspire us to undo all the damage we have done to creation, to our consciousness, to the consciousness of other lifeforms of creation, inanimate or not, the damage created during the time we spent putting all our energy/power of creation into the high priests program. We have to clean up the mess we have created and Anastasia is not responsible for this because she had nothing to do with our choices, yet her heart pours out to all of us, to awaken from the nightmare and return to co-creation, cleaning up all the destruction we have each created.

In your earlier reply you also mentioned " Why don't you just start an eco-village and create a Space of Love for your family? Well Yuri, we already had worked for twenty years in the fairytale, accrued and completely renovated/rebuilt a fantastic beach house on a beach with 16 beaches around the house nearby: http://www.3053.worldstays.com/photogallery.php which was stolen from us through the means of a terrible bank fraud: http://loveforlife.com.au/court_case by a crime syndicate/terrorist organisation of judges, barristers, lawyers, banksters, politicians, media moguls, big business representatives who all together put up a wall of silence. We tried to wake up everyone to assist us in protecting our family home but as we found out there was no "community immunity", no tribe to back us, to support us, so we lost everything we worked so hard for for twenty years ($1.5 million fictional $$$$$) which included 2 businesses and cash flows providing us with $4000.00 per week which we lived off.

Today, we have almost no fictional $$$ to acquire a fairytale Kindom, or shares into a fairytale eco village or create a fairytale Space Of Love etc. The website documents what we have been doing and why for the last three years or so since we were made almost destitute and penniless caring for 4 young daughters.

In Australia, between 1st Jan 2008 and 31st Dec 2010, 500,000+ mortgage foreclosures will have occurred. Do you know how many families that is? Do you know just in Australia alone, in the fairytale we lost well over 500,000 farming families since the early 1970's and they have never returned to farming nor have other farming families replaced them bar a few establishment multi-national corporations who now control over 90% of all food production, distribution and transport.

Have you ever spent anytime in the Love For Life website to research all the information we put up for the past three years so you can fully comprehend the reality of what is really going on????? I guess you haven't done hardly anything and it is very clear that you are totally naive and unprepared for the shit that is coming your way shortly Yuri, and it is most definitely coming your way, because you are completely unconscious of just how much energy you are creating to draw in the fictitious 3rd parties into your life. You have been warned Yuri!!!!!! You better wake up and snap out of the New Age fairytale that presently controls you like a drone.

Where is the "community immunity" to protect these families Yuri, and you are now suggesting to us to go back into the high priests fairytale, to contract again with fictitious 3rd parties so we can earn fictitious 3rd party $$$ to co-create an eco-village or a space of love in the high priest's fairytale???? Where is the tribe Yuri??? Where is the "community immunity" Yuri????? Where are "the gifts" to benefit/serve creation Yuri???? Hello Yuri, are you still with us???? Do you comprehend what is going on and what is really required??? Are you ready to sacrifice the fairytale for co-creation of creation????

Not one eco village or Kindom or Kin Domain or Space Of Love in the high priest's fairytale will survive intact during the coming three years or so unless the fallen men and women and children are obedient, contracted slaves, and do what they are told by the establishment. But even then, they are not REAL Kindoms or Spaces of Love and very few will still make it because they are space cadets who will be murdered or be transmuted by the Earth's Fever presently on its way in. BUT, it doesn't have to end up like this, we can change it ALL and we have already shared with you HOW this can be done. IT'S THE ONLY WAY YURI!!!! Very few on Earth today have woken up yet... They are still trapped in the fictitious enslavement of their fictitious SELVES. How can they (their lives) become a "gift" to creation when they do not think or feel or act as gifts of/for creation????? Its still all about "my money", "my space of love", "my security", "my foundation", me, me, me, me, me, i, i, i, i, i, i, i, i....... What a hopelessly lost cause!!!!

I wish you all the best on the path you have chosen Yuri.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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We Are Under Serious Attack Right Now: http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/6610#comment-1460

Note: Best to read these comments from the bottom up

11/06/2009 2:33 PM

Hi Joyce

Thanks for replying.

Firstly, both the Love For Life website and Fiona and I are presently under a very heavy bombardment from a most angry mob fuelled by establishment "We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us" lackeys. Why? A James W. von Brunn walked into the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. a few hours ago and shot a security guard who died a little later: http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=93229&cat=0 or check out: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=James+W+Von+Brunn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq...

We have one of James W. von Brunn's books posted here: Kill the Best Gentiles! by James von Brunn - A New Hard-Hitting Exposé Of The JEW CONSPIRACY To Destroy The White Gene-Pool: http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/6054

In the hundreds come flooding in very nasty evil comments/emails as well as some posted in the website which we left up: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6054#comment-1453 (just in case scroll up and down to see others). The very nasty foul abusive death-threat ones were removed. We posted this comment.............

Note: Love For Life does not support harm doing in any shape or form. However, we are supporters of free speech and post articles, documentaries, etc, that represent a wide cross section of ideas. The Love For Life extensive research library has over 6000 documents, articles and videos posted: http://loveforlife.com.au/issues We clearly see the evidence of the destruction to MAN and the earth that has been caused by ALL religions over the centuries and are therefore not supporters of religions, cults, sects or any group that demands conformity of thought, speech or action, or has rules, regulations or rituals that must be followed. Religions, nationalities and cultural "identities" are formed as a result of the brainwashing we receive from childhood. They are part of the tactics the Establishment uses to keep us all divided from one another and fighting one another.

If we truly want peace on earth and freedom for all, we have to let go of all that which keeps us divided, and come together as MAN, conscious living co-creators of creation. The Love For Life website offers a remedy to the problems we all face in the form of DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3641 For more details see here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - We also highly recommend that everyone read the brilliant Russian books called The Ringing Cedars: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1125 - The Love For Life homepage/front-page also provides lots of inspiring remedy based information: http://loveforlife.com.au - If you want to be kept up to date with our work please register to the Love For Life mailing list here: http://loveforlife.com.au/campaign_list We usually send two postings per month. Presently there are over 5000 registrations reaching over 200,000 readers globally. The website now receives over 2 million strikes per month.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur and Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
11th June 2009

Secondly..........

Thanks for your feedback. Its great to meet someone who comprehends the reality of what I am experiencing and enduring without trying to make it wrong or just ignore it as many do. This commitment to reach millions over the last 3 years or so has had us experience the real ebb and flow of being poor or not. We are now hitting the poverty wall again with our last $$$ about to run out, knowing the $1200.00 per fortnight Fiona receives from her Strawman signature disguised as a government hand out labelled Centerlink Parenting Payments is not enough to feed us, clothe us, put petrol in the car, pay the bills and keep a roof over our heads. With no cash flow to support us, without me returning to the fairytale workforce, with the 16/18 hours per day devotion to the task of awakening others, with 4 young daughters to care for, with a beautiful strong patient ultra-supportive woman to support who has simple needs, a woman who I regularly let down including my children because of my obsession, stubbornness and absolute focus on the task ahead (the dream of Love For Life) etc etc all adds to the frustration I feel.

It really has been a sacrifice of love (or is it madness?), of letting go of much of our personal needs to create the space where we have been able to perform/create the Love For Life work with hardly any distractions or obstacles. We would not be surprised to find out that hundreds of thousands of RC books have been sold due to the Love For Life website.

The reality is that we (the family) are trapped in the middle of a true limbo state between Kindom and the Western World fairytale, our bodies suffering from the tug-of-war between fiction and reality: living food v cooked, processed food (children still eat cooked food and I have slipped up a little lately and am noticing the difference), our children in government brainwashing schools and the school we would like to create on our community, knowing that money is an illusion but not being in a situation to live without it, having contact with wonderful men and women around Australia and the world but having no one (bar one friend) close by to support us, showing people the way to freedom while they fight as hard as they can to maintain their enslavement, living in a cold house without heating and not wanting to add to the gas or electricity bills by using heaters, Fiona now unable to drive for 12 months because she stuffed up when she went to court and got a 12 month ban and around $700 worth of fines (to be paid off at $15.00 a fortnight) and is unwilling to do any more of the legal stuff because of the toll it takes on the family and her. The list goes on and on and on.

We don't know what it means to have a real holiday break. From the tax office fiasco 2005, through the bank fraud fiasco 2005-2008, through the long hours of working in a business + renovating the beach house that was stolen from us 2001-2007, through the months/years of dealing with the law and government 2005-2009 and then through the awakening in the midst of the chaos explained, the awakening of the Love For Life dream and the sacrifice and devotion we have put into it 2005-2009.... we have been left with no real family time to truly enjoy. And all this caused by me and the decisions I have made which Fiona has mostly supported. We are bare of true joy, freedom and the space to enjoy our children and our marriage. We are determined to remedy this and are also aware that if we had not gone through all this, there would not be any Love For Life, particularly the profound, inspiring deep heartfelt insights we have unravelled. Are we comets? Are we meant to pass by with only the tip of our tail to be touched by the masses after we have long gone?

Sorry about the violins, we are feeling the weight of the pressure brought on of our own doing.

If we really lived in a world of love where men and women truly loved all other men and women, we would not be in this predicament. Our brainwashing has made us isolated individuals surviving in a world where almost all of our time is spent supporting the machine just so that we can eat and have a roof over our heads. Is it any wonder that we have forgotten how to shine like the sun, radiating love so that no one has to be poor, sick, unloved, etc? Is it time for us to re-join the fairytale to make some bucks, become selfish again, or are we just in the eleventh hour before the floodgates of love open up?

Love and Hugs
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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Joyce wrote:

Greetings Arthur,

Earlier today I sent the response below which bounced back because of a very large file I had attached. I've loaded that file on to my website and you can access it through this link: (removed)

It is a power point that I think has a very important message to all of us creating kin domains or settlements.

My response to your update is below.

Blessings,
Joyce

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From: Benjamin & Joyce
To: action @ loveforlife.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:53:48 AM
Subject: Re: Update

Greetings Arthur,

Thank you for this email. Even though your "tone" when you communicate sometimes carries a lot of pain and frustration, the truth of what you say is compelling and clear. You have a wonderful ability to see through illusions to the reality beneath. There aren't many on our planet with that ability. Thank you for being willing to be visible and heard by many thousands or millions.

The New Age matrix you describe is very real and the heroin addiction metaphor accurately portrays the situation. I don't know that we can "fight" it in any better way than to get as many "addicted" people as possible onto kin's domains ASAP. In my own group we've recently dealt with similar things as you describe. It's a gift to us because I say so. Like Anastasia did, I will win this battle by creating and holding the image that everything that happens in the "trance state" (dark forces) serves the fulfillment of my (our) dream of living in a beautiful Paradise on Earth. Onward I march to getting the funding for settlements. I just sent in the review questions for another grant request and will begin the next set soon.

I'm attaching a power point that our new research person, Susan made. I got her permission to share it because it is very beautiful and succinct in presenting one of the essences of Anastasia's message. The final slide with references for each of the quotes is missing because it makes the slide too big to send. If you want it I'll be happy to send it. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

Good to hear from you.

Blessings and Love,
Joyce

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From: Love For Life Campaign action @ loveforlife.com.au
To: Benjamin & Joyce
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:27:25 AM
Subject: Update

Hello Joyce
I am so glad you've been chatting with Danny in London. Fiona and I love him heaps. He appears to be keen to get involved in creating this documentary/video we are inspired to co-create. Lets see what comes shortly. In the meantime its very clear that the New Age Movement / Cosmic Galactic Consciousness Movement / Channelling Movement / Crop Circles/ET/Alien Movement etc etc etc etc are infiltrating the brains of almost everyone we meet these days who have read or are now reading the RC Books.

It staggers us just how deeply ingrained this New Age bullshit is. They really believe its all true and that Anastasia is part of it and supports it.

Ohhhh the inspirations of love, reaching out to break through the heavy-dense shields of this almost brain-dead trance that con-structs drones and inspire whatever remains of consciousness to reuse their brains once again. They are hypnotised memorisers stuck in a never-ending play-back loop of fiction. The repetitiveness of focusing on these false-idol images of creation/truth/reality keeps them trapped in the fairytale/matrix.

I have not done this but many occasion I wanted to say "Please Take Me To Your Leader".
or
"Helloooooooooooooo, Anyone Home"??????

A little of this is posted here: Link: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6566#comment-1412

Joyce, I am frustrated and yes its my problem and I take full responsibility for this but hey, if you had a grown-up son or daughter living away from home, shooting up heroin and they did not want to listen to you, no matter what, and you love them deeply, but are left feeling powerless to help while they continue destroying their lives day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, comes the frustration. This is the frustration I feel in loving MAN unconditionally. They are all part of me and I am part of them. I must keep growing, keep expanding consciousness.

Love and Hugs
Arthur

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The continuation of this discussion is posted here: Re: We Are Under Serious Attack Right Now....... http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6616#comment-1521

Seekers: Kin's Domains, Space of Love, Eco Communities

Seekers: Kin's Domains, Space of Love, Eco Communities
Link: http://ringingcedars.ning.com/group/kinsdomainsspaceofloveecocommunities...

Those looking for a place for their kin

Quoting Glen:

"What about a discussion/website group of Anastasia/Indigo beings that have no $ to buy land, but are ready to make tracks. We could discuss our thoughts there, develop ideas and pathways to find land already owned/loved, like the old lady waiting for us? Maybe other Kins who already have land but need magical beings to co-create paradise find us there, maybe one of us can find the funds to purchase land outright, the rest of us ready and willing move there and slowly pay our share off? Or we develop our sovereign freedoms and ideas to escape to a National Park or similar, find a safe and sacred area to protect, where we can live and preapre for the coming changes, no $, no Goberment, dedicated towards preparation spiritually and physically for the changes expected.. Whos land will any of it be after 2012 anyway? My feeling is that it returns back to the spiritual custodians that deserve her, she will protect and nourish us just as Anastasia and many others thrive and survive in nature..

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Reply by Joyce on 21 May 2009 at 3:51pm

Greetings David,

This discussion brings a lot of questions with it. For example, what part of the world do you hail from? What does your kin domain settlement look like in your vision in terms of weather, flora and fauna, mountains/ocean, neighbors, life style, etc.? Or are you up for whatever turns up to be freely given or at least given with a reasonable "pay-off" possibility?

Depending on where you live, I'm assuming you're looking for something like the billionaire story in America (book 8.1) or in Russia where people can just move to un-owned or ridiculously cheap land (such a thing doesn't exist in America and maybe not in Australia). My group, Colorado Kin's Domains, is working from the billionnaire model. I have a grant writing team that is without equal in my research. They have helped me submit several very large grant inquiries to fund at least four settlement demonstrations in North America, and possibly several more. Each of these fundings will support "give away" domains for the entire settlements. Our initial funding is imminent (June) and we have a contract on our preferred piece of land in south west Colorado.

HOWEVER, here's an interesting thing to consider. As I have been going through this process with many people and involving several groups across North America I have discovered an interesting syndrome. People are very comfortable saying, "If only I had money..." But when I offer them money or opportunity to do exactly what they said they wanted to do, they discover the real truth - IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT MONEY OR LACK OF OPPORTUNITY!! It's about a LOT of other issues that are operating unconsciously.

There's an enormous amount of work to be done in order to create and build a kin's domain settlement and even just a kin's domain. 90% or so of that work can and must be done with or without money. I have been extremely busy for nine months preparing our group to receive money. If we had gotten money months ago as we thought we wanted, we would not have been ready and would have not been able to use it effectively. In fact we would very likely have mucked up our vision more than furthered it. Instead we kept planning and taking the steps as if money would come. I was astounded to discover how much work actually was needed that had nothing to do with actually having money.

I'm the first to acknowledge that I'm supported by a very wonderful husband who goes to work every day and makes it possible for me to stay at home and do this work. But even if that were not the case, I could and would be doing this work evenings and weekends, albeit much more slowly unless I happened to have a large group of people to assist me. In the past several months I have been approached by at least six groups that have said if only they had money they were ready to build a kin's domain settlement. I offered them the money and the steps that needed completed to be ready to receive that money. With only one significant exception, they have all decided they aren't really ready to procede after all. However, two of them HAVE begun the steps needed to get themselves ready to receive money. It will take them months to accomplish their goals but at least they have finally started taking serious and determined steps.

Besides the physical steps of planning and organizing, there are the personal readiness steps. I can't even count the number of people who have told me they were ready to go right now if only there was money or a place for them to go. When I've shared our plans and shown them that we are giving our domains for free and even shared the planned date they will be available, the VAST MAJORITY have disappeared. Most of them go through similar phases.

First, they are beyond excited. Next, they begin planning their move and their domain lifestyle. They begin to be confronted with choices they hadn't thought about and start withdrawing a bit. They ask a lot of "what if" questions, and suddenly they disappear. When I contact them, they are generally very honest with their comments. They sound a lot like, "You know, I just don't think I'm as ready as I thought. I don't know if I can leave the life I'm used to. I really kind of like a lot about this life." Some opt out becuase they realize they are not ready to be in responsible relationships with nature, self and each other. Many opt out because they can't "imagine" what life would be like without the usual job, income, technology, utilities grid, social richness and diversity of city life. A few opt out because they had in mind a restrictive community where people would be required to behave in a certain way or at least be prevented from behaving in certain ways. When they discover that we are about freedom and diversity, rather than limitation, they become nervous.

Here's my contribution to your concept, David. If Ringing Cedars readers are ready to "make tracks," even though they don't have money then they should be taking those concrete planning steps and making tracks. When you are truly ready, money or opportunity will find you. If money or opportunity isn't finding you and seems to be preventing you from forward action, it's not really about money and opportunity.

Having said all that, I'd like to add that there is an enormous resource of ideas, vision, and solutions that could be shared on this thread that you've introduced. Let's hear some of them.

Blessings,
JoyceM

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David Booth Permalink Reply by David Booth on 21 May 2009 at 4:38pm

That's a fantastic contribution Joyce!

Personally, I am a little past seeking but I saw the need for this discussion while engagng with others.

(Most of that opening post was quoted)

I've read the preparations of the Colorado Kin's Domains and learned a lot. Thanks for that. You're very thorough.

In my seeking I did come across a land owner who has had - is having - your experience. It's a bit more complicated but basically he invited kin to join him but most of his potential players were 'not quite ready'. And I don;t think he was either. So all the material resources in place but....

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George Neo Permalink Reply by George Neo on 22 May 2009 at 5:32pm

Thanks David for initiating this discussion & perhaps placing the Etherion Intentional Community on the map, & thank you JoyceM for conferring with this "money syndrome". After 4 years of running our Wholistic Centre (www.magpiehouse.com.au) with dozens of non-mainstream events & scores of cinema titles not seen on television nor at the movies, the most significant quote, from a live conscious channeling session, was "Instead of asking, I wish I had more money, ask, I wish I had more consciousness." How profound!

I am loathe to join another time-consuming discussion, but that's the 2nd time, David, I've noted a judgement on our Intentional Community initiative. Can I call these a "swipe", or are they perhaps just comments =

"P.S. Etherion is a freehold - I visited George there. His kin owns the property. Other families (kin) are invited to build their space of love there, on his property.

That's not for me." See for example =
http://directory.ic.org/22186/Etherion_Ringing_Cedars_Intentional_C...
http://etherion.weebly.com/
http://anastasia-community-australia.ning.com/
http://www.magpiehouse.com.au/EcoNews.htm
http://www.magpiehouse.com.au/EcoVillage.htm#AnastasiaTarget (our story)
http://www.magpiehouse.com.au/EcoVillage.htm#VirginTarget (letter to a billionaire)

The 2nd was just 18 hours ago on this discussion =

"In my seeking I did come across a land owner who has had - is having - your experience. It's a bit more complicated but basically he invited kin to join him but most of his potential players were 'not quite ready'. And I don;t think he was either. So all the material resources in place but...." (assuming I am the land owner referred to).

But by beginning this discussion are you not endorsing a contradiction, that is, "maybe one of us can find the funds to purchase land outright, the rest of us ready and willing move there and slowly pay our share off."

So if you are a little past seeking are you suggesting abandoning those who don't have any access to funds, or are you "above" the funding model Joyce proposes, blindly purchasing a property with insufficient funds? How does one reach a conclusion of "And I don;t think he was (ready) either"? Does it mean we have to be living full-time on the land, even though a caretaker has offered to take residence? Do Joyce's financiers have to live on the land? Doesn't Anastasia warn us against a "mass exodus" & rather propose a gradual transition, that is splendid & will become more splendid in the future?

But rather than being annoyed, David, I'm grateful that you've made all this public for us. Yes we have owned 1,734 acres (701 hectares) for over a year now. Yes we had the precise experience Joyce talks about - the original group set the criteria, after months of research, extensive travel & AMAZING synchronicity we found the ideal property - nearly ALL the group backed out once they were confronted with a decision. This was a painful process as many of them were friends for years, now we rarely if ever see them. The property was so good we decided to purchase it ourselves, with or without their help. Our one hectare amongst 701 has a house, stand-alone power system, abundant fruit trees, a garden planted using Anastasia's guidelines producing a surprisingly abundant harvest (see our EcoNews link photos above), & 500 hectares of beautifully wild gorge country, ready for eco-tourism or just wilderness contemplation. Climate, at 1200m elevation, is superb - no evidence of bushfires unlike surrounding lowlands, no scorching temperatures, no floods despite abundant (900mm) rainfall & severe flooding just 100km toward a sub-tropical coast, & enough room for the 80 dwellings on Kin's Domains that the NSW Land-Sharing legislation allows.

We strongly recognize the lack of funds people are up against, most inquiries mention this, so we have a suggestion listed in our guidelines =

"* Those without cash to contribute in particular, shall instead be very busy developing their Domain according to Anastasia's principles, & also contributing labour to community projects."

These people would in fact be the backbone of the community, they are absolutely essential & would qualify for a land holding. It's not something they can then sell, but it can be inherited, perpetually. If a kin's line ceases, the land holding passes back for re-deployment, as Vladimir proposes. It's by no means a free ride, the Founding Committee would have to oversee positive contribution & take action if necessary for expulsion (there are consensus models for checks & balances).

We need to ask ourselves, are we holding on to a piece of land (to purchase) due to emotional rather than a balance of rational & heart-induced feelings. There's a vast difference between feelings & emotions, feelings are the soul's language & real, whereas emotions are Energy In Motion, an ego-based fantasy reaction that will always lead us astray. Happy to debate this if you like.

About Money, if Money is "bad" then you probably won't have it to help co-create. Get out of poverty consciousness, it's the attitude to this tool of energy exchange that matters! Here's a reply just today to someone who indulges in reminding us about swine flu & other matters =

Thanks Mxxxxx but this only serves to perpetuate fear-based scenarios which is exactly what the "pharmaceutical conglomerates" want you to do.

Ask yourself =

Do I want change?
Do I choose to focus on the "bad" stuff in the world (which only serves to perpetuate the negative vision)?
Do I instead focus on a POSITIVE vision of humanity, what is the GREATEST VERSION of the GRANDEST VISION I can possibly envision?
Do I then choose to PROMOTE & subsequently ACT on this vision, NOT just merely TALK about it?

Having studied the Conversations with God material, it's surprising that your group has stopped short of taking action, recall that it's Thought, Word & Deed that's necessary for the creative process.

We have channelled material (personal & from other sources) saying the swine flu is another desparate attempt to spread the pandemic of fear, but our other-dimensional beings have already de-fused the virus, it will be harmless just as other recent pandemic attempts.

These ideas of "belief creates reality" are thoroughly explored in our article at http://www.magpiehouse.com.au/EcoVillage.htm#AnastasiaTarget which is actually in response to a rather irresponsible article published by Living Now in November 2008 about rising seas & "Planet Extinction". These fear-based scenarios only serve to paralyse, not motivate, people. The ONLY solution offered was "go & see your politician"!!?

The Ringing Cedars books are by far the most positive vision I've ever encountered for the planet, solving ALL the problem scenarios mentioned in the Living Now article (even if we do have rising seas), & Anastasia's mission is to prevent what usually happens to a technocratic (or otherwise) "civilisation" out-of-control, that is, global cataclysm. I'm not merely trying to sell books here, but to implement that golden vision. How about, Mxxxxx, some POSITIVE support instead of indulging on what we DON'T want!

All that said, I am open to suggestions. Ask yourself, "What Do I Choose Now? What Do I Wish To Create?" "Can I re-form the group we once had in order to take action, using the unlimited potential of Co-Creation?" Remember, it's up to you, it's ALL up to you, & as time accelerates toward 2012 there's no longer the protection of our guides, what we are collectively focusing on, we will directly manifest. So be VERY CLEAR, take TOTAL RESPONSIBILITY for all actions AND thoughts.

Namaste, George

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David Booth Permalink Reply by David Booth on 22 May 2009 at 7:23pm

Namaste George,

Thank you for your generosity in regard to my comments. I meant no offence.

I can't answer all those questions George. I'm only a little past seeking in that I have a better feeling about things - less desperation. Participating in this kind of forum is helping me.

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MacKenzie Christy Permalink Reply by MacKenzie Christy on 21 May 2009 at 10:33pm

I 100% agree with you Joyuce. I have had similair experiances with opportunities I say that I ready for and that I play "victum" of money and yet the universe provides and I shy away. It has only been through VQ and lodges that I have faced the fact that I am not afraid, just afraid of uncomfortablness. When my husband and I lived on 80 acres in south park, which by the way is up for sale, we always said we wanted the domain to home our families and build a community, but the money......it wasn't the money that was keeping us from manifesting this into reality, it was our fear of patience, sharing, and communication of the actual vision. Perhaps now it will transpire, as I have had tremendous dreams lately of this domain being lush and green filled with families all over the valley of south park living such as the books describe.

Be abundant, and your "being" will genrate abundance!!!!!!

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Jeanice Barcelo Permalink Reply by Jeanice Barcelo on 22 May 2009 at 6:00am

Aloha Joyce -- I am very interested in your wisdom. I would delight in learning about the steps necessary to take in order to ready ourselves for the manifestation of the domains. How can I converse with you about this?

My heart's desire is to create a settlement here on Maui. There are probably about 20 people here who would be interested if the money and land presented itself, but I sense that many more would who do not live here would also be interested to come. My emphasis is on creating a community that focuses on conscious conception, pregnancy, birth and parenting. This, of course, in combination with creation of spaces of love.

The politics of land control in Hawaii here are touchy. The US is illegally occupying Hawaii and, although they sell off parcels of Hawaiian land, they do not have proper title to the land -- so it's a very interesting situation (one which I have studied at length).

Please let me know if there is a way we can speak. I would be thrilled to learn the steps necessary to receive money to get the land and to ready myself/ourselves for the domain settlements.

Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom.

PS - I see that David has read something called "preparations of the Colorado Kin's Domains." I'd like to read that too. Where can I find it?

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David Booth Permalink Reply by David Booth on 22 May 2009 at 10:10am

Hi Jeanice,

have a look at http://ringingcedars.ning.com/group/kinsdomainsspaceofloveecocommun...

and follow on to Joyce's web site - it is a journey and a model of thorough preparation.

I know I don't have the focus to develop such intricate planning. Wouldn't it be good if it could all just happen.

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Kali Neilson Permalink Reply by Kali Neilson on 22 May 2009 at 2:53pm

Dear Joyce - we posted at almost the same time! Thank you so much for this feedback and reality check for people - this is why some self-enquiry is so important before people waste each others time..

you are blessed that your process is helping people identify their commitment so early in the game so as to save a lot of heart ache and wasted energy later.. I am so grateful for you sharing this with everyone - Creating a domain is not like buying a new house with this novel spiritual aspect.. its a commitment to yourself, your kin and the planet and it should be a Forever commitment. People can get excited but then that excitement needs to be backed with ones entire being.. I cant emphasize this enough to people.

This is where our 40 day retreats will hopefully come in ! to get people to a point of total clarity about their life.. so people like you who spend their life dedicated to making these beauitful opportunities can be met with fully empowered HUmans ready to GO! more on that later. Thanks again..

love Kali
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Joyce Permalink Reply by Joyce on 22 May 2009 at 4:01pm

Greetings Jeanice,

If you want to discuss funding for your group I would be happy to do so. I would be happy to send you six steps you need to have completed before moving into the major steps of preparing for money. David is right in his comment that it takes a strong focus to bring a settlement into being. It is not work for the faint of heart. Fortunately there are just enough people who LOVE this work and find it to fit perfectly into their life at just the right time.

Just like David says he does not have the focus to develop such intricate planning, I also do not have the qualities or characteristics that will be needed further down the road in the settlement development process. We each have our place and our perfect role. You can email me at benjasx7@yahoo.com or call me at 303-374-1945. I look forward to visiting with you. If you haven't found my website yet it's www.coloradokinsdomains.com

Blessings,
Joyce

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Kali Neilson Permalink Reply by Kali Neilson on 21 May 2009 at 4:20pm

Very Cool David. Yes - there are Groups who already have land and need people, and there are people who have skills and will who need land opportunities. For the beginner, Its often a matter of first expecting these kind of opportunites to appear and then making the space to find other people to join in the co-creation..

You are so right. "My feeling is that it returns back to the spiritual custodians that deserve her, she will protect and nourish us just as Anastasia and many others thrive and survive in nature.."

I think its crazy to be talking about creating Kins domains with anything to do with $$$ - unless its incidental. It is my experience that the matching of people to land is the same as "When the student is ready - the Teacher appears.."

Well in these times where Guru's are no longer supported on the Earth and humanity is coming into its fullest power - its more like When the HUMAN is ready the LAND shall appear. And so be it.

This is great. Thanks David! I shall send this to the entire group..

This is what I suggest to everyone:

NO 1: Peter put up a questionaire here: http://ringingcedars.ning.com/forum/topics/what-is-your-highest-joy... is

This is a good place for people to start so they can identify what would bring them their greatest happiness around creating their Space of LOVE- we mustn't forget that everyone has been dwelling in a quagmire of illusion for some time so its important to do this first. (this is the issue Joyce refers to) Communities built on concepts wont work - communities built by individuals that know what makes them happy first and contemplate the practicalities together - will. If you dont believe me - go and try.

Next:

No 2 - Identify what you are good at, can do and what resources you already have.. by filling out the Virtual Co-creation Questionaire..here: http://ringingcedars.ning.com/group/kinsdomainsspaceofloveecocommun...

This is so you have identified this to yourself and know what you are bringing to a discussion or a project and can articulate it to others easily.. By doing it on this site - there is the opportunity that others will see it and invite you to join them or recognise an affinity...

NO 3.

Come back here to learn or discover or share different ways to get on some land and into co-creating your Domain.'
David has mentioned some of the ways people can find themselves on land - there is no one solution for everyone ..
I can tell you right now on this website there is several opportunities that could match people to land right now.
and all different ways too..

As people get clear in themselves what their own vision of a Domain looks like and the life they want to live there... they will more easily identify with the land and people they would like to live near FOREVER...

No 4:

IF you find an opportunity of land or a group of people start to form, or if you already have an existing project underway, list in the Kins Domain Group as they are now..

Co-creating a domain with your beloved or by yourself in anticipation of your Beloved is quite simple compared to:

aquiring land and co-operating together as a group to make the opportunity to be able to create individual domains..

Its an huge undertaking and can be fraught with challenges (and personalities) so please, make the most of the resource of this site, discuss a lot and do your due diligence. When you are in the flow of Co-creation it has a remarkable effortless about it and gets you very very excited.. in your whole body... but continue to contemplate things, sleep on things, ask the stars for guidance whilst you sleep near your beauitful plants and wake up with revelations and inspirations..and perfect clarity - there is no time or energy for hard lessons and mistakes so expect things to be just perfect by doing some of this homework..

Together we will keep refining this process until we have the ultimate match-making process! Thats the intention of this site:
To build domains all over the world and in the process beautiful friendships and marriages made in heaven shall be made!

Enjoy

Kali

PS Any feedback or suggestions is most welcome.. I do understand that many of you have things well underway with your own processes but mostly people are still looking and visioning so if you have anything to add please do..

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Arthur & Fiona Cristian Permalink Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian on 21 May 2009 at 10:08pm

This brings a few things up for me and I think its great to face up to the fact that, while we may all have the dream of Kindom, I'm sure we all have a few doubts and what ifs. Arthur and I have lots of men and women on our mailing list who say they want to do this with us. Some of them are on the other side of the world. We have only one friend near us who really knows what we are on about and is (mostly) keen. But, we are still alone out here! We feel that, perhaps more important than the land is the tribe and, if those who are interested and were able to do so, moved closer to us than we could start to be in each others lives, start growing food together, helping each other and f0rming the bonds that we will need to form our Kindoms. Kindom really is a commitment like marriage, that is, in for the good and in for the bad. It is a huge responsibility but one that I am so ready to take on. On of my fears is that I realise that most people I meet probably aren't as committed as I am and I worry that they will disappear if the going gets little tough. It won't all be dreamy. Besides hard work, we all have to get off being concerned about other's personalities. We have all been so trained to focus on issues like this and think that we can't be alongside someone who does not sit smoothly with us but we really have to grow up and realise we are here to heal the earth, not worry about whether so and so is our buddy or not. So long as so and so has the right intent and the commitment to do what it takes to change things, who cares if you don't like their jokes?

I agree with Joyce that the planning takes time. We wrote "The Ten Steps to Kindom" as a spontaneous reply to an email but it helped us become so clear about our dream that now we always encourage others to write their dreams down in detail.If you are clear on your dream then you can tell if it matches up with someone else's dream so you can co-create together. We are also very interested in doing workshops where we discuss issues such as; how do we live without money? How do we wean ourselves off all the fiction we are so used to having in our lives? etc, etc.

It's obviously harder for those who still have things, i.e. houses, jobs etc in the fiction to get up and take the plunge to leave it all behind. But, if there IS land in a group, there is nothing wrong with someone just coming at the weekend, if they can't make the full leap yet.

There is much more to say on this but I need to get to sleep. Just one thing - the National Parks i where we shouldn't be going. They are already in a more or less pristine state. We need to be going to land that needs healing, farmland where the trees need planting and the soil nurturing, for instance.

Fiona

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Joyce Permalink Reply by Joyce on 22 May 2009 at 4:19am

Greetings Fiona,

I haven't spoken with you before but I've enjoyed reading your site. I want to emphasize one of your comments. Many groups are looking for pristine magnificent land but I agree that what is most needed is to restore the land we have harmed. Even if we didn't personally destroy the farmlands, we did so indirectly (and continue to do so) everytime we shop for our food in a grocery store and every time we shop around for the lowest prices, supporting the kinds of farming and food handling practices that support lower prices. I agree 100%. Let's restore some of our over grazed and over farmed land to its natural beautiful forests and healing life cycles.

Blessings,
Joyce

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Reply by George Neo on 22 May 2009 at 9:24pm

Wholeheartedly agree Joyce - but coastal sub-tropical areas that we disturb are soooooo seductive aren't they! Yet there are vast monocultured & cattle farmed "wastelands" ready to transform. Can't wait!

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Arthur & Fiona Cristian Permalink Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian on 21 May 2009 at 10:16pm

Forgot to add - we have had a few offers of land, just not where we feel the need to create a Kindom, so, as David's friend experienced, there is land available with no one willing to go to it. As time goes on, perhaps we will all become clearer about where we need to go and will meet our land instead of looking in the wrong places!

Fiona

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Glen Butler Permalink Reply by Glen Butler on 22 May 2009 at 12:07pm

Some great replies here, aligned to many of my thoughts and current situation.. I totally understand the need for preparation in mind and physical reality, before heading off to a community for salvation/paradise cause you have the finances to do so. It seems like there is much information and many ideas and pathways from many towards developing and preparing the process to create communities. This feels great! And yes the money ingredient is such a minor aspect towards this great change we really need to move beyond this...

Can we add sections to this Seekers page so we can get a little more organised.. Like Newbie's, Preparation, Land/Community desired etc.... For me I need to prepare many things in my mind, like Kali has suggested "How can you give up surfing?" is something I need to consider.

I can see now that once we share our thoughts and creatively visualise our individual pathways we will find groups within groups that are more proactive or aligned towards common interests that others may not. Thus we can find and develop the communities that need us and are us, our cosmic family...

The sacred land is calling us home once again to our lands of rights and passage. We are being called to heal and preserve these degraded lands, that will inturn protect us and nurture us. However I feel and inner warning alarm, Mother Earth is healing the pain, the consciousness that is poisoning her, and we need to be prepared for an unordinary/extraordinary future that we cannot comprehend right now. The ride is going to get rough...

Glen

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Kali Neilson Permalink Reply by Kali Neilson on 22 May 2009 at 1:28pm

Awesome Glen.. Excellent clarity!

Virtually everyone is a newbie in terms of Domains.. and mostly everyone is a seeker that I can see, unless they have listed their domain already in the group because they are well underway.. . .. I'll have a think about the way to structure this so it can best serve everyone. We can't add sections to discsussions so let me digest a bit and I will come up with something. The thing is

IF you see the Co-creation questionaire in the Kins Domain group that gives you the opportunity to tell your story here, clarify things for yourself , share with others.. its very basic at the moment - but we will evolve this in time.

I think the best way to go is to do the two self-enquiry processes listed in my reply way up above and keep talking to people and find the high energy connections! Nature will take its course, naturally.. Things can only flow until they stop flowing..

love Kali

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David Booth Permalink Reply by David Booth on 22 May 2009 at 3:46pm

This was originally written by Glen in a post to another group outside this ning. He has since joined in here. Hi Glen. You've triggered a fruitful discussion.

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Serena Hoke Permalink Reply by Serena Hoke on 23 May 2009 at 4:13am

And David, you were sharp to see its interest and post it here....thanks to you too.
Serena

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Kali Neilson Permalink Reply by Kali Neilson on 27 May 2009 at 10:53am

The Discussion SEEKERS is now re-open for those interested... !

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On Manifesting Kin Domains and Finding the Right People

On Manifesting Kin Domains and Finding the Right People... "Thinking" with our whole Being
Link: http://ringingcedars.ning.com/forum/topics/on-manifesting-kin-domains-an...

Cedar said:

How do we get another 20 kins engaged?

Good question Alain...

I believe that we keep holding our visions and empowering them with positive attitudes and trust that the people will come. As I move around communities I find that folks have sent out many calls to many great dreams .. all so very similar...they do the dreaming yet....things stay a little stuck...nevertheless I know that the Universe is working to connect the right people with the right places.

The important thing is that the characters and intentions of the members gel... I feel that it's not really about numbers - it's about living The Dream - co-creating a glorious New Earth - and if that's with two or 22 or 102.... the larger we go the more complex the exponential dance becomes.... along with that we know --- people change, situations change and we need to be cognisant that massive change is continuing to occur both inner and outer ... and we ain't seen nothin' yet!

It always astonishes me that I meet SO many people holding the community or kins domain dream ~ yet the 'coming together' still hasn't happened for so very many.

To all readers - may I wish you fantastic realisation of your most magnificent dreams for now and the future ~ and in the meantime let's continue - passionately - to educate ourselves, expand consciousness, have fun, be creative, develop even more practical skills and adore La Mama and all that she offers.

In Kinship

Cedar

Kali said:

Cedar - your words are music to my ears.. Thank you for holding this kind of energy for everyone - it is most appreciated.. and I am responding to your thoughts with words for everyone that finds themselves reading them! ...

Trust - is the word that comes to my mind also .. .

To co-create from our truest essence we have to surrender ourselves fully back into the bosom of Creation and trust completely..

Dreams are never fulfilled - always exceeded!

Sometimes we need to let go of how we "think" we ought to do things or how they ought to look or even when they ought to happen and simply surrender to the flow of life and creation. Perhaps the Creator has even grander plans than we can conceive at this point while we are only just waking up to our true creative power...

and maybe.... we should even raise our expectations much much higher as to how things are going to be born into manifestation.

This includes letting go of all the previous ways of making things happen in the world - our kin's domains will be founded upon the very thoughts, words and deeds that create them and for them to be eternal - for all our future kin - we must be willing to surrender every ounce of non-truth that created the old, unsustainable world to be able to fully grasp and embrace the truth of Co-Creation with the Divine.

And for this we need to let go and TRUST that we are all children of the Universe we will be guided by the feelings in our bodies - which are of creation. That everything will be just perfect if we are willing to open our hearts and especially our minds fully to the possibilities that life might be trying to give us alot more than we can conceive. We need to constantly speak the truth of our feeling to each other and this opens up all the creative possibilities.

It becomes very exciting to live on the edge of that creative potentiality. And the world is opened up to us as a dance and a song and then a symphony! Like our brothers and sisters in nature.

In Australia - listen for the kookaburra how he laughs each morning as the Sun comes up and laughs again precisely as the Sun goes down..

When something is in its complete truth you cannot help but smile, sing or laugh or squeal with delight because your body tells you everything by its feeling - Trust it - it is one with creation.

Then we can all get together and create domains much faster than we can with our old thinking and clunky ways of doing things.. Thinking with our whole being is the challenge for faster manifestation. Fast manifestation = pure thoughts are present!

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Reply by Arthur & Fiona Cristian on 8 May 2009 at 11:38am
A dream can only exist as long as the responsibility to back the dream, put our energy into the dream, exists. To be responsible for a dream of Kindom is to put our energy into a self-less dream, a self-less thought full of self-less feelings where we, the self-less dreamers of this self-less dream, live whole-lives serving (putting our energy/power of creation into) others for the benefit of others, and in doing so, this self-less responsibility takes care of everyone who lives this self-less dream.

There is no other way for such a self-less dream of Kindom to come true.

It is impossible to be an in-divide-u-all and be responsible for the self-less dream of Kindom.

Self-less-ness is the way of creation, of co-creation. It is impossible for an in-divide-u-all to be part of creation (CO-CREATION). To be self-less is to be truly-free from "ALL THE MAN-MADE RULES OF THE DIVIDE".

All rules of the divide are selfish thoughts and feelings, dreams without the consciousness (responsibility) of co-creation.

For sometime now, particularly since the last workshop we ran in early March 2009, we have been planning (dreaming) to start a series of Love For Life workshops on Kindom where we learn together how to let go of the selfishness that we have been taught since we were young. We need to learn to recognise the fiction (selfishness, unconsciousness) in our lives, in all its forms, so that we can let go of it. We look at questions such as; how do we live without money, insurance, private corporations, etc? How do we live in ways that do no harm to ourselves, others and the earth? etc etc etc etc. We are primarily targeting the white-collars because when they awaken and start to flee from the fiction to return to creation (consciousness), the game of fiction is up and the war that is the energy that men, women and children put into the rules of the divide, is over.

Out of these Love For Life workshops will blossom tens of thousands of Kindoms until all of Earth is a Kindom once again.

For three+ years the inspirations of the creator of this living-dream of creation has inspired us to create a Kindom (A Do No Harm Community of conscious-living co-creators) here in the Southern Highlands between Sydney & Canberra, to be the catalyst that spreads Kindom over what is still presently being covered (governed) by the dead-corpse fiction, and its hierarchies, known as "The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce".

Its time to WALK-THE-TALK and as caretakers & stewards of the creators living-dream and without claiming exclusivity and privileges, we now know the way back to Kindom. Who is ready to co-create this dream with us and us with you?

Those who take on the responsibility of co-creating this conscious-living dream of KINDOM which breaks the back of the beast (the program) of hell (unconsciousness - self-centeredness - in-divide-u-als), created by the fallen-man-priest of Ancient Egypt, will cause the freemasonic world (the shadow government) to collapse and perish and THEN, once we have dismantled the program, there will be freedom for all of us. Until we completely break-down the infrastructure that upholds the evil-program, we keep feeding the beast with our energy, regardless of our intent to do good, and our true-real freedom continues to be severely compromised and always at arms length.

Refer to this latest document for more details and explore all the links provided: Let's Choose Real Freedom - The Only Remedy To The Incarceration of Free Men & Women by Arthur & Fiona Cristian 28th April 2009: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511

Conscious Love Always
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
www.loveforlife.com.au
action @ loveforlife.com.au
0418 203204

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Reply by Kali Neilson on 8 May 2009 at 11:50am

Bravo!

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For All Who Occupy Earth! Petition UN For Family Plots Of Land

Email sent/forwarded by Christopher........

4th July 2009 10:42 AM


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From: Serena
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 6:07 AM
Subject: For all of you who occupy Earth......!!
To:

OK Listen up my beloved extended family on Earth !

We are in those times....the ones foretold.

We are also the ones we've been waiting for ....... Especially the ones to whom this email is reaching. I am sending it to everyone, since each of you are residents of this planet.

Below is a petition to sign for all Earthlings concerned about the Soil and their Families and their foods....which God has provided for all Earth born inhabitants, for a movement to provide each Family on Earth to have their own Family Plot forever. This is going to be done......but those who sign this are the ones who make it happen.

Please read it, then sign it, to declare your voice in intending to make this Living Earth, YOUR heritage and YOUR HOME. It is asking a representative of the UN to consider the 11 million signatures for which we are severely short of, who represent the conscious and active population of the United States, in making themselves heard in declaring their sovereignty on this planet and its lands as being a Gift from God to all the People born on it. If you want to make your voice heard please sign the petition since it is speaking for you specifically and for your lands and for your foods......YES YOU !

After you sign it, then please pass this on to everyone you know to sign it as well....since it is speaking for them too..... We need 11 million signatures!

Some of you have extensive mailing lists....and since this petition includes them, send it on to them too.

Every Family on Earth should have their own Family Domain to live comfortably and for perpetuity.....and thus signing this petition is saying that you UNDERSTAND THIS TO BE TRUE and that you are making sure that the PTB are hearing you

....your silence assures no change.....many signatures will being it!

Let no apathy, no lethargy, no complacency get in your way......it is easy to just sign your name and pass it on.

http://www.petitiononline.com/SoLMag

SIGN NOW!!!!

UNITED NATIONS PETITION Family-Plot Food Gardens for a Sustainable Planet

SIGN PETITION BY CLICKING ON EARTH:

Blessings of Magic and Beauty
Serena   

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4th July 2009 4:09 PM

ALL BULLSHIT CHRIS!!!!

Anyone involved in this U.N. campaign has lost the plot. How can a dead corpse fiction that is without consciousness embodied (THE U.N.) provide remedy for the conscious??? In fact anyone petitioning the dead corpse fiction is still a fallen man/woman (man/woman unconscious of consciousness). Anyone involved in the dead corpse fiction that is the U.N. is a fallen man/woman without consciousness embodied. They are focused on, devoted to and worshipping the fairytale that is the program (the matrix) conceived by the high priest and administered by the high priest's representatives (fallen men & women unconscious of consciousness).

These include The Rockefellers, The Rothschilds, The Warburgs, The Windsors, The Guelphs, The Merovingians, etc, etc, all part of the committee of 300, who are the intact Ancient Egyptian bloodline families of roughly 8000BC, The Black Nobility. Behind them are THE MASTER PUPPETEERS pulling the strings of ALL BELIEFS, a tiny orchestrated group of satanic high priests, the overseers of the copyright holder of The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce (all civilisations that have ever existed).

They are Levites (The Zionists of ZION/SION), an Aryan bloodline mostly with blue/green/grey coloured eyes like the Mountbattens, who are behind IS RA EL - three of thirteen Ancient Egyptian black-magic sects/cults now known as part of the thirteen lost tribes of ISRAEL. They are highly initiated black magic warlocks and witches, masters of ALL the occults and ALL the esoterics used to construct ALL THE CONSTRUCTS OF ALL THE RULES OF THE DIVIDE, the U.N. being one of them.

Are you sure you want to petition the Levites who are all still devoted/determined to carry out the agenda of the high priests program for a family plot of land??????

WAKE UP - WAKE UP - WAKE UP - WAKE UP.

The Western World Civilisation of Commerce is Apocalyptic By Design because it cannot function without destroying creation (men, women and children). The U.N. is part of this destruction so why do you want to put your energy /power of creation into it by signing this petition? Vladimir Megre has been petitioning the Russian Government for years and it has got him nowhere. We need to say, "No thank you" to everything that makes up the Western World Civilisation of Commerce and, when we come together in numbers (AS MAN - CONSCIOUS CO-CREATORS OF CREATION/MAN), we will be able to do this. The U.N. will never support Kin Domains because Kin Domains stand for the end of the Establishment who uphold the program of the high priest.

Also note that you have to give your contact details to sign the petition, becoming part of an Establishment list of names of those that no longer want the system to continue the way it is. YOU ARE NOW ALL MARKED/TARGETED.

And "WARNING" - "WARNING" - "WARNING" - The Dalai Lama works for The Levites, he (the man-made imagined/invented out-of-thin-air con-struct/demon/apparition/thought-form/entity fictitiously operating in the fairytale that is the Western World Civilisation Of Commerce that possesses/covets/cloaks the MAN) is an evil piece of shit!!!!! Do your homework and learn what is really going on like we have: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6271 and http://loveforlife.com.au/node/2488 and http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5303

The only remedy is when MAN returns to who we really are; fully conscious gifts of creation (co-creation). When this happens we will no longer support harm doing in any shape or form which means that we will no longer support ANYTHING to do with the Western World Civilisation of Commerce (a fairytale) because it is ONLY about harm doing to reality (the real conscious-living Man, Woman, Child).

When we give up our fictitious SELVES, we will remember who we really are.... the gift of co-creation (OF MAN).

MAN is a servant ------ A fallen man/woman is an addict.

MAN lives (serves - creates gifts) to benefit others (partners, children, families, tribes, villages, communities, nature, earth) of creation.

MAN creating a child is a gift for creation..... an act of love that weaves his/her threads into the wave of creation that rolls on (expands) here and now. An act of love is a gift SET-FREE to benefit others but fictitious selves are incapable of creating acts of love because they are too preoccupied SURVIVING the needs/wants/desires/addictions/greed/selfishness of their fictitious selves.

Kindoms are of the wave of creation.

While we are still addicted to our fictitious SELVES, we will bring our addictions to the Western World Civilisation of Commerce (the program of the high priest and all the myriad of fairytales it offers) with us wherever we go, including into our Kindoms. Meaning... we will continue to destroy the creation (MAN) of the MAN we are each fully responsible to create.

The fictitious SELF (mind - ego - individual - person - strawman - agent in commerce etc) is an addiction to the distortions (destructions) of creation, IMAGES that are fantasy, illusion and delusion (ALL IMAGINED/INVENTED OUT-OF-THIN-AIR AND NOWHERE TO BE FOUND IN CREATION WITH OUR SENSES OF CREATION SIGHT, SOUND, TOUCH, TASTE, FEEL, SMELL/SCENT), and fantasy is all the constructs that make up all the Rules of the Divide that keep us all separated from who we really are and from each other, putting all our energy/power of creation into propping UP (SURVIVING) the wants/the needs/the desires/the greed/the selfishness/the power/the control of our fictitious selves i.e. commerce, money, credit, loans, debt, fiat, promissory notes, bonds, currency, bills-of-exchange, insurance, local councils, state governments, private corporations, rule of law, courts of law, government, titles, deeds, licenses, registrations, permits, bills, certificates, standing, state, territory, country, nation, civilisation, cult, creed, race, lots, plots, acreage, hectares, etc, etc, etc, etc, ...... thousands and thousands of CON-structs (structures of the CON) that ALL together ARE the CHAOS of destruction to creation (the dream of the high priest) which MAN IS and we (MAN) are ALL part of!

The effort we expend putting our energy/power of creation into the needs/wants/desires/addictions/greed/selfishness of our fictitious selves is the accumulation of unthreading the MAN we are each fully responsible for creating from the wave of MANS creation. Instead of the wave expanding, it is shrinking until there is no longer a wave of MAN existing anymore. MAN has forgotten who he/she really is.

Unfortunately, fictitious Selves are unable to co-create Kindoms because them-selves have ADDICTIONS TO FICTION that are all the ego problems and person-ality clashes (of fantasy, illusion, delusion, uncertainty, fear, ignorance, arrogance, greed, selfishness) that destroy Kindoms. Sure, Kindoms will help us to wean us off our fictitious Selves (Plastic Ken & Barbie Dolls) but we need to be aware/fully-conscious of them before we attempt to co-create Kindoms, otherwise we are not creating Kindoms. Instead we are continuing to create CHAOS which are ALL the images of distortion of creation, images without consciousness (MAN) embodied.

Only a fallen (unconscious) Man or Woman putting their energy/power of creation into fulfilling the addictions of their fictitious selves (the fantasies) would petition the UN.

Emotions are ALL the unconscious-IMAGES of ALL the distorted thoughts, feelings and ideas of creation (the fantasies) we have put our energy/power of creation into.

ALL addictions of the fictitious Self are ALL the fears, ALL the ignorance, ALL the arrogance, ALL the uncertainty, ALL the illusions, delusions, fantasies, fictions, ALL the EMOTIONS of GREED and SELF-I-SHNESS seeking to be fulfilled by the energy/power of creation we (MAN) are putting into them.

In the words of Bible preaching Christians..... "YOU ARE WORSHIPPING SATAN (THE DEVIL) - LUCIFER - THE ANTI-CHRIST"
Remember; the U.N. is a fantasy (a false-idol of creation of MAN) and the fictitious SELF is a fantasy (a false idol of creation of MAN) as well.

We are MAN but it seems that almost all of us have forgotten who we really are.

Which world do you really want to co-create....

1. REAL? -------------- conscious co-creation of MAN

2. DEAD? ------------- unconscious destruction to MAN

PROVE WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS WRONG --- AND IF YOU CAN'T WHAT ARE YOU ALL GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?????

We will be posting an article to the front page of the Love For Life website that explains more about all this subject in greater detail, also to be posted ASAP to the Love For Life mailing list as well. We will also be releasing a series of videos that covers the body of the love for life work, particularly the remedy that aids us all to step out of the fiction (unconscious destruction to MAN) back to creation (conscious co-creation of MAN).

Conscious Love Always

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
action @ loveforlife.com.au
www.loveforlife.com.au

A Comment Posted For YouTube Director ZOMGitsCriss 7th July 2009

ZOMGitsCriss YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ZOMGitsCriss posted these videos

Part One: How To Be A Good Creationist - 5 Minutes 35 Seconds

Part Two: How To Be A Good Creationist - 5 Minutes 10 Seconds

Part Three: How To Be A Good Creationist - 4 Minutes 30 Seconds

YouTube Channel: AmazingAnswers http://www.youtube.com/user/AmazingAnswers posted this video:
How to be an annoying evolutionist: 8 Minutes 13 Seconds

Below is the comment we posted to ZOMGitsCriss in the League Of Reason.co.uk website: http://forums.leagueofreason.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=15725#p15725 - Though rushed, the style of writing is intentionally designed for a specific reason.

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This is a rushed/unedited reply to the YouTube videos"How to be a good Creationist - In 5 easy steps" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Viw7MpXU4GU or http://www.youtube.com/v/Viw7MpXU4GU posted by ZOMGitsCriss 7th March 2009

Hello ZOMGitsCriss

There are many many many truths you share and yet every dream has a creator and all dreams are intelligent by design and this creation of MAN (the consciousness of MAN) is a dream as well, it IS intelligent by design. Behind (or an aspect of) intelligence IS INTENT.

We (life - MAN) exist by responding to life - Without life how can there be life?

Without consciousness there can be no consciousness.

MANS brain is just like a film projector; whatever image (thought/idea/feeling/con-struct/information/intelligence) is scanned across the lens HERE AND NOW is being focused on HERE AND NOW, is being projected HERE AND NOW, is bouncing back at MAN (us) HERE AND NOW in the cinema of life (the canvas) in the image/s of our projection/s.

The canvas in the cinema of life IS CREATION HERE AND NOW and MANS consciousness (the intelligence - the information that IS consciousness) is the scanning, focusing and projections of MANS CREATION HERE AND NOW.

Without MAN (life - consciousness - the information) to think and feel creation (life - MAN - consciousness) HERE AND NOW, who is there to think and feel life (creation - MAN - consciousness) HERE AND NOW for MAN (life - consciousness)?????

How can this question (image) be asked (felt of/thought of/contemplated on/meditated on/reasoned/rationalised/scrutinised/discriminated/scanned/focused/projected/investigated/explored/discovered etc) if MAN (the consciousness of MAN) does not exist HERE AND NOW????

The imagining requires the imaginer and without the imaginer there would be a void of nothingness, of no thought or feeling or idea or construct to be imagined. In this discussion whatever is thought of is imagined by MAN so when we remove MAN out of the picture (out of focus) nothing of creation exists anymore because there is no MAN to think and feel creation (consciousness - the information).

Without intelligence (the image) to focus on and respond to images there can be no intelligence. MAN is created HERE AND NOW in the image of MANS projections HERE AND NOW. We (MAN) become in the image of our projections.

MAN is an ACT of CREATION HERE AND NOW.

MAN IS CONSCIOUSNESS AND CONSCIOUSNESS IS MAN. There is no separation between MAN the creator and CONSCIOUSNESS that maketh MAN. MAN is GOD and GOD is MAN but MAN can't own GOD and GOD can't own MAN. If we owned our last breath, drink or meal and did not let go we would die (fall) from consciousness. We are not meant to own anything no matter what including ideas, thoughts, feelings, constructs etc for to do so would have us fall from consciousness into a state of unconsciousness. Beliefs make us own MAN (life - creation - consciousness - information). We become possessed by them. In the middle of the word belief is the word lie.

MAN is a steward, a caretaker, a servant, a gift, an act of love of MANS creation, of MANS consciousness. But acts of love are set free to be acts of love otherwise they are destroyed... the consciousness of MAN (the LOVE - THE GIFT) has been removed (has died - has fallen from consciousness).

MAN is the co-creator of creation (of MANS creation).

Every thought and feeling (THE IMAGES) are INTENDED ACTS (projections) of creation, of conscious design. All intelligence requires consciousness to back it otherwise it cannot be!

Every image is organised.

Without consciousness, no thought/feeling/idea/construct would be captured (felt of/thought of) because nothing intelligent would exist to create thoughts of reason, contemplation, observation, questions etc!

Do we need to believe in a tree for a tree to exist?
Of course not,
The tree exists regardless if we believe in the tree or not!

Thus exists creation by intelligent design. Belief (of any kind) does not even come into the picture.

It's called consciousness.

Do we need to believe in consciousness for consciousness to exist?
Of course not!
Consciousness exists regardless if we believe in consciousness or not!

We cannot escape consciousness. It is without beginning or end. Such is the consciousness of MAN.

The past and the future require MAN to exist here and now to think and feel the past or the future.

Without MAN existing here and now, the past and the future do not appear (seem) to exist.

Therefore time does not exist, is a man-made con-struct and evolution is a man-made con-struct constructed out of time. Using our senses of creation (sight, sound, touch, taste, feel, smell/scent) where is the substance (the consciousness) of evolution for our senses of creation to engage with? MAN has the information of MANS creation (the substance - the consciousness) to back the creation of MAN but where is the substance of evolution? Have you found it or does it not exist? Please find evolution? What does evolution do for life? Does it make the sun shine, clouds rain, feed babies with nourishment etc etc. What roll does evolution and time have with creation? We can experience the consciousness of an apple tree and its fruits but what about time or space or evolution? If evolution did not exist would MAN or Earth or Nature suffer if not perish???

ONLY MAN (consciousness) exists here and now.

The consciousness of all of MAN there ever has been and all of MAN there ever will be is the consciousness of MAN now. We are consciousness and consciousness is us. There is no separation between us and consciousness and us and the creator because we are the consciousness of the creator (MAN). Every living thing of creation, the trees, rivers, ants, mountains, rocks and sand, is part of consciousness.... of MANS CONSCIOUSNESS.

Consciousness is unlimited. It has no beginning and no end which is why it is available for all of us all of the time, should we choose to access it. The old tribes knew this which is why they had their “sacred sites”, places where they could go to commune with their ancestors. They comprehended that the consciousness of their ancestors was also their consciousness so communication with their ancestors of consciousness was not a problem. That was how they could expand their consciousness.

Consciousness has nothing to do with the RULES OF THE DIVIDE; it has nothing to do with race, religion, culture, nationality, commerce, law, science or education.

We all have the full power of creation but we have forgotten who we really are because we have shifted our focus away from creation onto the fairytale that is The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce and every idea streaming out of this dead-corpse. The power of creation comes with the full responsibility to think, feel and act as gifts for creation at all times, nurturing and protecting the gift of the power of creation.

Only by forgetting who we really are can we operate in the fairytale because operating in the fairytale means destroying creation which is destroying ourselves. To support and maintain the fairytale, we have to destroy the earth which we can only do while we are unconscious. When we bring our children up in the fairytale, we destroy our children. In fairytale we are no longer conscious of our responsibilities to creation and, if we are not consciously thinking for our children, we can only be thinking unconsciously which means destruction. If we only expose them to fairytales, this is where they are going to put their energy, never remembering who they really are and their responsibility to nurture creation. Creation is also our baby. Are we going to continue creating fairytales that destroy creation or are we going to create consciousness so creation can flourish?

MAN is no longer thinking and feeling creation; MAN is thinking and feeling the fairytale which means propping up the fairytale that is destroying creation at an enormous rate. Unconscious of consciousness, we think we can own things and fall into the trap of greed, coveting possessions such as property, cars, and all the accessories that go with the “lifestyle” we have chosen. We also own the ideas such as race, religion and nationality.

Only when we accept the fairytale that we are separated, isolated individuals, can we kill each other and do harm because we have forgotten that we are part of consciousness and that doing harm to anything of creation is doing harm to ourselves.

Everything we think and feel is expanding consciousness and our responsibility is to make sure we are thinking and feeling for creation at all times so that we don’t forget who we are and drift off into the chaos of the fairytale. The whole Western World Civilisation of Commerce (the fairytale) is apocalyptic by design because its purpose is to make MAN forget who we really are and to destroy creation.

There is no such thing as evolution; all there is is the expansion of consciousness HERE AND NOW. We have to take full responsibility for everything we do rather than destroying everything we are creating.

The Love For Life.com.au website now receives almost 3 million strikes per month, is seen to be very controversial and is receiving mountains of attacks. Presently we have not the time to register to the league of reason forum to begin and maintain another debate or enter many other lengthy discussions via email etc. We are a family with 4 young daughters to care for + very busy website, 300/400 daily emails/comments, our articles/projects etc + family pets.

To learn more about the insights we share please watch this informal, unedited 2 hour teaser video: http://www.greengardenearth.com/media/v ... erview.mp4 and listen to this series of podcasts here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511

Thank you for allowing us the opportunity to share this information with members of this forum.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
action @ loveforlife.com.au
http://www.loveforlife.com.au
PO Box 1320 Bowral 2576 NSW Australia
0418 203204 (int: 0011 61 418 203204)

"Hello George" - Are You Still With Us????? Copy Two

For Anonymous (now sometimes called George), who regularly posts smart-arse comments (loaded with ridicule and abuse) directed at Arthur & Fiona Cristian around the Love For Life website. Here is our reply to everything you have been saying thus far.....

We copy/pasted our reply to another Arthur to save repeating over and over again our intent our focus our direction our dream our determination our vision our plan-of-action, our heartfelt inspired Do No Harm version of reality etc etc...........

Re: What About CON-sciousness - Is It A CON As Well?: 7th July 2009 - 14:35: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6104#comment-1651

Hi Arthur

Scious = is of know of knowledge

Con = is just that - a great big CON

Knowledge = (know-ledge) Know The Ledge and also means "Know the CON"

a) know the ledge, the one that you know not to fall over and down into the bottomless abyss/pit/hell/fiction/fairytale/man-made constructs/illusions/delusions/fantasies etc because if you do not know the ledge then it is more than likely that you will fall down into a state of UNCONSCIOUSNESS

b) know the ledge as in the General Ledger = commerce/accounts/economics which are all fantasy/fiction/illusion/delusion of the fairytale that is The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce - Its all about possession (posses-sion/zion) - its all about inviting in//contracting with demons/thought-forms/entities/apparitions (all owned/copyrighted by "The Crown") which are all man-made CON-structs permitting these demons to possess you, to cloak you.

Yes, its all about the OCCULTS and BLACK-MAGIC.

The fall into a state of UNCONSCIOUSNESS is caused by a shift in focus.

The often talked about coming shift in consciousness for men/women/children is just a shift in focus as well.

That's all it is!

Instead of focusing on (observing, meditating on, contemplating on, attuning to) every conscious-living (the information of every) life-form of creation, inanimate or not, to receive the information (the consciousness) of their creation which expands our information (our consciousness), fallen MAN focuses on man-made con-structs (all imagined/invented out-of-thin-air) and worships them.

MANS brain is just like a film projector; whatever image (thought/idea/feeling/con-struct/information/intelligence) is scanned across the lens HERE AND NOW is being focused on HERE AND NOW, is being projected HERE AND NOW, is bouncing back at MAN (us) HERE AND NOW in the cinema of life (the canvas) in the image/s of our projection/s. The canvas in the cinema of life IS CREATION (IS MANS CREATION) HERE AND NOW and MANS consciousness (the intelligence - the information that IS consciousness) is the scanning, focusing and projections of MANS CREATION HERE AND NOW. We wrote more about this in this comment here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6566#comment-1650

Consciousness and unconsciousness is all about focus; we either focus on the invisible fairytale (all the man-made con-structs) that does not exist, its conscious-living information nowhere to be found in creation, leading us to fall from consciousness, or we focus on the information of creation present in every life form of creation and available for all for free without a fee. NO RULES, REGULATIONS, RITUALS, PROCEDURES, CONDITIONS ATTACHED.

Through "The Crowns" conveyor belt (education system - libraries/history/schools/colleges/universities/media/advertising/Hollywood/TV/Radio/Law/Statutes/Bills etc) running through Factory Planet Earth, also known as The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce, which we call a Fairytale, almost everyone since early childhood has been man-u-factured/processed/braindirtied/brainwashed/conditioned into believing in (focusing on - MOULDING) a fictitious SELF called the PERSON or Strawman, Agent In Commerce, EGO, MIND or IN-DIVIDE-U-ALL (individual) who ACTS in the Fairytale.

We (billions of us/MAN) have never been provided with a pure and sincere based/intentioned FULL-DISCLOSURE of this brainwashing we have had to endure on the conveyor belt to con-struct (the structures of the CON) and MOULD our fictitious PERSON of our own making, of our own free-will, without any mis-under-standing (understanding) or confusion or distraction or deception, so that we ALL truly, fully and clearly comprehend, that we have not only agreed to create a fictitious PERSON-ality for our-SELVES, with costume and title provided, who ACTS as the fictitious PERSON-ality, an impostor of the MAN we really are, but we have also agreed to enter into a fairytale (The Western World Civilisation Of Commerce) for our fictitious PERSON-ality to ACT within it, leaving behind (ignoring) the real MAN we really are.

Our Person is just like a Ken & Barbie Doll we SURVIVE for and this ACTING-PERSON is the intellectual proprietary knowledge PROPERTY of the copy-right (the right of copy) holder. Through brainwashing our ACTING PERSON has contracted to (is possessed by) the demons (the thought-forms - the IMAGES) that are the man-made con-structs (structures of the CON) that are the intellectual property of the copyright holder. Thus we are trained to pay ROYALTIES to the Royal Families of "The Crown" (The Establishment).

By entertaining (renting - acting out) their intellectual property (their ideas copyrighted) we have invited the authorised representatives who administer the affairs of the copyright holder into our lives. We are charged "INTEREST" because they have an INTEREST in our affairs. The representatives of "The Bar", "The Law", "The Courts", "The Government" etc, meddle in our affairs as 3rd party interlopers, intermeddlers, interveners, interceders, etc, because they are the administrators of the copyright holder "THE CROWN". They (police officers, sheriffs, bailiffs, politicians, judges, barristers, lawyers etc etc) ALL look at (worship) "The Crown" (their master). The Beast is the fairytale and Satan is "The Crown" the copyright holder of the fairytale.

This is what CIVILISATION is ALL about; renting the intellectual proprietary knowledge from the copyright holder. All the ideas owned by the copyright holder are FICTION because the IMAGES of each and every CON-struct (the ideas) copyrighted, do not exist as part of creation. They are nowhere to be found. Our senses of creation (sight, sound, touch, taste, feel, smell/scent) cannot engage with them to expand our consciousness because they are ALL DEAD. To con-struct a physical/material form of any of these copyrighted CON-structs requires the total destruction (death) to conscious-living life-forms of creation, inanimate or not and the removal of their consciousness, altering/distorting/manipulating their conscious-living DNA into an artificial-dead dna (form).

By removing the consciousness (the conscious-living information) out of the life-forms of creation they become DEAD-CORPSES and The Crown" governs ONLY DEAD CORPSES. "The Crown" ONLY has jurisdiction over the dead world of dead PERSONS that is civilisation. Everyone involved in this fairytale are insane, deluded and have most definitely lost the plot. This fairytale civilisation is a ship being sailed by a ship of fools. The ship of fictitious Persons is sailing on the high-seas of Admiralty Law and all are doomed, heading very shortly towards total and utter destruction. No one can take on creation and think they can get away with it. They all lose THEIR REAL LIVES no matter the route taken.

The whole infrastructure of the Western World Civilisation of Commerce relies on cleverness, trickery and deception to keep us (CON us) within its boundaries. The Law and those working for the bar and government etc are there to keep us in our place and make sure we do not stray out of our Establishment enclosures, along with other Establishment lackeys whose job it is to ensure that anyone attempting to escape is ridiculed and scapegoated to deter others from doing the same. They tell us that we have to use the law, that there is no other way and that we are idiots and lunatics for attempting to do otherwise.

The Western World Civilisation of Commerce is Apocalyptic By Design because it cannot function without destroying creation (men, women and children).

The only away to escape (step out) the Western World Civilisation of Commerce is for enough of us to come together and refuse to be part of it any more. To stop focusing on its dead images and projecting them. Please read this comment: For All Who Occupy Earth! Petition UN For Family Plots Of Land: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6566#comment-1635 where we explain..................................................

The only remedy is when MAN returns to who we really are; fully conscious gifts of creation (co-creation). When this happens we will no longer support harm doing in any shape or form which means that we will no longer support ANYTHING to do with the Western World Civilisation of Commerce (a fairytale) because it is ONLY about harm doing to reality (the real conscious-living Man, Woman, Child).

When we give up our fictitious SELVES, we will remember who we really are.... the gift of co-creation (OF MAN).

MAN is a servant ------ A fallen man/woman is an addict.

MAN lives (serves - creates gifts) to benefit others (partners, children, families, tribes, villages, communities, nature, earth) of creation.

MAN creating a child is a gift for creation..... an act of love that weaves his/her threads into the wave of creation that rolls on (expands) here and now. An act of love is a gift SET-FREE to benefit others but fictitious selves are incapable of creating acts of love because they are too preoccupied SURVIVING the needs/wants/desires/addictions/greed/selfishness of their fictitious selves.

Kindoms are of the wave of creation.

While we are still addicted to our fictitious SELVES, we will bring our addictions to the Western World Civilisation of Commerce (the program of the high priest and all the myriad of fairytales it offers) with us wherever we go, including into our Kindoms. Meaning... we will continue to destroy the creation (MAN) of the MAN we are each fully responsible to create............................................................

A CON-scious Man or Woman is one who is aware of the CON (of con-structs) and no longer puts their energy/power of creation into it. As we come together as conscious men and women, we will be able to wean ourselves off our fictitious SELVES and the Western World Civilization of Commerce.

CONSCIOUSNESS is a conscious-living MAN/WOMAN who knows-the-ledge and knows not to contract with commerce to become a statistic on "The Crowns" General Ledger. He/She also knows not to fall for (be CONNED by) the man-made knowledge of the fairytale. If we are to become conscious men and women, our task is to become aware of how we are addicted to the Western World Civilisation through our SELVES and begin the process of weaning ourselves while also doing our best to wake up those lost in the fairytale, whether as slaves or administrators of the slaves.

DEFINITION OF CONSCIOUSNESS

Being CONSCIOUS comes with FULL-RESPONSIBILITY because we are responsible for maintaining our focus on conscious-living images of creation and we become irresponsible when our focus wavers away from creation to the fairytale and all the con-structs it offers.

The virtues of love are wide and varied and we all have unlimited access to use them, to co-create our creation of life with them to maintain full-responsibility for our creation of life; sincerity, purity, nurture, inspire, support, give, gifts, care, help, grow, feed, groom, observe, share, guide, protect, empower, confront, truth, sensitivity, empathy, compassion, conscience, etc, etc, without ever DOING HARM to life.

It is impossible to Do Harm when we are co-creating with the virtues of love. Being Fully Responsible means consciously co-creating ONLY with the virtues of love and always saying NO to any form of harm doing, directly or indirectly. When we are focusing on images of fantasy, fiction, illusion, delusion and fairytales, images that are beyond our senses of creation to engage with, images that are without SUBSTANCE (consciousness) embodied, we are putting our energy/power of creation into causing destruction to creation starting with the MAN/WOMAN/CHILD we are fully responsible to co-create.

When we put our focus (our energy/power of creation) into fictitious images like person, ego, mind, individual, fashion, sport, competition, gambling, drugs, alcohol, sex, money, credit, debt, mortgages, loans, subsidies, bills-of-exchange, promissory notes, currency, finance, bonds, insurance, penalties, fines, interest, charges, taxes, licenses, registrations, certificates, contracts, accounts, permits, titles, deeds, invoice, receipts, statements, courts, parliaments, governments, corporations, affidavits, notice of notion, statutes, laws, rules, regulations, rituals, procedures and conditions, etc, etc, thousands and thousands of man-made con-structs, we are projecting destruction to creation (life) because we are propping up (SURVIVING) these dead-corpse images.

We have to do everything for these dead corpses because they are DEAD. We are turned into slaves which takes us away from our living partners, children, families, friends, communities, nature, world, etc. Dead Corpses can't walk, talk, eat, poo, create, reason, contract, negotiate, move, etc, etc, of their own freewill and this is why we have to put all our energy/power of creation into them so they can appear to have life. And so we have given up our real lives and our real world to prop up a dead one.

With the effort (power of our creation) we collectively put into fiction on a daily basis, regardless how small or insignificant these dead corpse images might be, whether of paper, plastic, metal, concrete, oil, petroleum, technology, telecommunication, electronics, digital, electricity, gas, fire, soil, plants, water, air, creatures, mathematics, commerce, etc, etc, WE ARE COLLECTIVELY AND GLOBALLY PROJECTING OUR ENERGY/POWER OF CREATION INTO DESTROYING THE LIVING NATURE, THE LIVING EARTH AND THE LIVING MAN to the point where we have nearly consumed it all and nothing remains of us (MAN) to remember who we really are.

We have already written so much more all about this subject as can be found amongst many of the articles we have posted here: A List Of The Latest Arthur And Fiona Cristian Videos, Audios And Articles Posted To The Love For Life Website: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - We also encourage everyone to watch this unedited, informal 2 hour teaser video here: http://www.greengardenearth.com/media/video/loveforlifeinterview.mp4 and listen to this series of podcasts here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511 - We are shortly to post all these podcasts into this YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ArthurLoveForLife

Finally, we have copied/pasted information from this posting: The Rules Of The Divide Constructs Individualism by Arthur & Fiona Cristian 7th May 2009: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6558

Also read

Part One: Let's Choose Real Freedom
The Only Remedy To The Incarceration of Free Men & Women
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
28th April 2009
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511

Part Two: The Rules Of The Divide Constructs Individualism
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
7th May 2009
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6558

Conscious Love Always
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Adam Davis Being Knighted - Copy Of Forum Post Taken From TMA

Adam Davis Being Knighted - Copy Of Forum Post Taken From TMA Website:
http://www.truthmovementaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1879

Adam Davis Being Knighted

Postby nwoexposer » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:21 pm
Interestingly I was shown these pictures of Adam Davis being Knighted in 2007 on Facebook. Adam quotes

"In 2007 I was initiated into the School.

"To serve, as our lords, the sick and the poor"."

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=73638&id=723305567

nwoexposer
Truth Seeker

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Re: Adam Davis being Knighted

Postby Ree » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:02 pm

Okaaaaaaaaayy!!!!! :shock: :shock:

What's goin on???

Is this for real ADAM??

Ree
Condemnation without investigation is the highest form of ignorance

Ree

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Postby gavinj » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:20 pm
Wow, complete with a knights of malta cross on the gettup. Adam, are you a live roleplaying game nerd?
I have come to chew buggle gum and kick arse, and im all out of bubblegum

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Postby Andy » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:41 pm
Gav I think you will find it is a Knights Hospitaller robe...I know thats a fine point....Hmmm begs questions :roll:
Lets, let Adam address this unless others have more info than the 3 photos.
Andy



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Postby Reunite » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:46 am
I'm most curious about the pictures hanging up on the wall in the background, lets wait to see what Adam has to say first.

I knew Adam was into internet marketing but not to how sucessful he is to the point of screaming girls asking for his autograph and over 500 clients in 4 countries.

He has a Traffic Intensive seminar on Saturday 23 and Sunday 24 August 2008 on the Gold Coast

Adam Davis, The AdWords Guy

Few people, at 21, have travelled the world as a sought-after speaker, had girls screaming for autographs and been recognised as an international expert on a topic that is one of the most talked about subjects in the marketing world.

Not to mention run their own marketing firm with several employees that consult with multi-million dollar companies which are managed by people twice their age and discussing with them how best to increase their profits - using the power of the internet. Yet this is precisely what Adam Davis does.

Based in Perth, Australia, Adam specialises in driving massive amounts of qualified traffic to a website using Google AdWords, and has a track record of success in managing campaigns for businesses large and small and bringing better leads, higher conversions and more profits. Some of Adam's customers have even gone so far as to say he works miracles... of the business kind!

Adam will not only show you the insider tips and secrets to run a successful Google AdWords campaign, but he'll reveal how you can drive hundreds of visitors to your site within just a few hours. And better yet, you can have an international expert in Google AdWords personally run your campaign if you wish. Or you can learn to do it yourself with Adam's valuable home study course that is an international bestseller!

With Adam, you'll be able to turn your website from an expensive white elephant to a moneymaking monster! You will be astounded at how this young man can transform your online business!

http://www.inspirationalevents.com.au/31.html

Adam Davis is an internet entrepreneur who’s knowledge and experience transcends his chosen profession.

He was born in 1986 and grew up in the most isolated city in the world – Perth, Western Australia.

Adam Davis Reading books like Rich Dad, Poor Dad and Think and Grow Rich from the age of 12, Adam’s passion has always revolved around personal development. As he grew older, he became fascinated with personality profiling and how it could assist people in understanding themselves and the world around them.

Adam Davis at 17, summoned up the courage to follow his passion and was led on a path that saw him learn from some of the masters in online marketing. Then with extensive knowledge of the ins and outs of Internet Marketing, Adam launched an Internet consulting business, in 2005 when he was just 18, going by the alias of ‘The PPC Kid’. His business rapidly expanded and in a short space of time he was managing many Google AdWords accounts for not only his own websites, but also consulted with some highly respected individuals, like Jay Abraham, Stephen Pierce, Matt Bacak, Jack Canfield and Brett Mcfall.

Adam’s areas of expertise drive increased traffic to websites; converting this traffic into sales and use effective follow-up methods to keep visitors returning to your business such as through press releases.

At the age of 20, Adam has grown his consultancy business into one of the most recognised traffic generation consulting services in the world, with over 500 clients in four countries. He has spoken in front of crowds of over 1,500 people in Singapore, Australia, the UK, Indonesia and Malaysia on how to effectively send traffic to any website and make a profit, even if the site is only a day old. So for traffic generation, it has to be Adam Davis.

http://www.createthelifeclub.com/cp/Adam-Davis

Reunite

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Postby unmovable_2 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:54 pm
Hahahahaha.......

I think we may have all been taken on a little information collation ride here, if this is true.

Adam "servant of the Pope" Davis?

Knight of Malta and therefore SLAVE of the Jesuits!!!!!!!

"To serve, as our lords, the sick and the poor".........He either KNOWS he is serving the Farnese' or he is a profane pion who enjoys his servitude......

I would hope he is a honest and forthright man.

Let us hope he rebukes these charges.

Unmovable
"The Church cannot be held responsible for the guilt of its members"
Pope John Paul II

unmovable_2

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Postby mr_anderson » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:33 pm

Uh-oh

This came out of left field! :|

I await for more information..

Did he upload those pics on purpose to create controversy or has nooooo idea on what that robe represents.

mr_anderson

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Postby gavinj » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:02 pm
I thought that the Knights Hospitaller where blood thirsty butchers from the crusades who hid under the guise of providing medical care. Why are marketing professionals 1400 years later donning these robes and playing with pointy bits of metal. He really looks like one of those guys you see running around melbourne uni high school football oval dressed up as knights or orcs or something, ehehe. On the other hand, the black robe also looks a little like something from the bohemian grove video.

I have come to chew buggle gum and kick arse, and im all out of bubblegum

gavinj

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Postby trajectory » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:21 pm

trajectory

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Postby unmovable_2 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:36 pm
gavinj ,

I thought that the Knights Hospitalet where blood thirsty butchers from the crusades who hid under the guise of providing medical care. Why are marketing professionals 1400 years later donning these robes and playing with pointy bits of metal.

The Knights, of all Romish branches, are the Knights of Malta. Be they Hospitalers, Garter, St. Gregory or Templar, they are united by the Roman Knights of Malta with their 8-pointed star.

The Knights are the great merchants of Babylon. The great commerce machine for the Roman powerhouse.

That’s why men like Knight of Malta J Peter Grace who ran and owned Time Life was used to cover up the Kennedy assassination.

That’s why men like Knight of St Gregory Rupert Murdoch run that Fascist Network, Fox.

Or men like Knight of Malta Bill Gates run Microsoft.

Or Lee Ioacoca who ran Ford during Kennedy's administration, he being a loyal Knight of Malta was used to clean up the assassination car so as to leave NO EVIDENCE......

I could go on and on…… This club isn’t exclusive to powerful men of commerce and commercial profit, but they do dominate it.

Adam needs to answer to this charge…..

Will he spin it off into a minor initiation like Dr Ken Horwitz did after he was knighted?

Unmovable

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Postby gavinj » Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:03 pm


Have chuck and adam ever been seen in the same room, oh dear, is adam an unwitting cia operative protected by a hot australian model whos good with swords?

I have come to chew buggle gum and kick arse, and im all out of bubblegum

gavinj

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Postby Guan Thwei » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:57 pm
Errr so what if he is a Knight?

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."

David Rockefeller

Guan Thwei

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Postby Love For Life » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:16 pm

It appears Adams conscience has got the better of him and this is his way of destroying what he has created so he can opt out. In Adams case & circumstance when an initiates conscience kicks in he finds himself trapped in an evil shadow-world spider web surrounded by ferocious venomous spiders. How to get out...... self-destruct and fade away and hope you are left alone to live your life. He is between a rock and a hard place. I feel Adam has a good heart but has been seriously lied too over and over again (and he realises this --- who to trust) by those who influenced his thinking (for years) leading up to the launch of this freedom-truth website.

I don't think this publishing of photos is a prank because its not his style and he will quickly lose respect and trust of those who trusted him. I wish you all the best Adam in everything you do and that you one-day find the courage to join with Fiona and I (and others) in co-creating Kindom. Its possible that the long chat we had between us back in January 2009 and the encouragement provided to read all 9 of the Ringing Cedars books contributed to these recent actions by Adam.

I wrote to Thomas Anderson about Adam Davis 21/01/2009 3:31 AM
See below
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
http://www.loveforlife.com.au
action & loveforlife.com.au

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21/01/2009 3:31 AM

Apologies about this lengthy email but everything needs to be explained to get across to you the message that you are in PRESENT DANGER of being harmed BIG-TIME.

Private discussion.

I am also very tired, stressed out and overworked so apologies if my writing is crap.

Very strange occurrences going on since I started receiving many emails & phone calls a few weeks ago, particularly from early last week
1. from a string of young bright & intelligent men asking me lots of questions about Mark McMurtrie or about us and Love For Life or about our dealings with him or about our dealings with you
2. lots of phone signals and pitches with wobble sounds like an oscilloscope
3. wobble sounds over the voip like oscilloscopes (not normal at all)
4. unmarked cars coming and going
5. being followed when driving
6. noises on roof
7. Dogs barking next door at fence adjoining our home at odd hours during the night
etc
etc

I have not said anything to Fiona about this. She has so much on her plate going back the last 3 months and with her parents coming to stay shortly I don't want to burden her anymore.

After noises & dogs, went out 3.00am two nights ago with torch and saw in the distance strange silhouette's of two men in full black tights drifting away, I could be wrong but I felt a strong pull of emotion in my gut so my body was telling me something is going on.

Even had intense dreams almost every-night (late-nights) which I would awake out of.

The last time I experienced this kind of circumstance was when Joe Bryant got shot through the hip and both he and wife in their mid-70's were horribly hog-tied for hours by two men in balaclavas who broke into their home 5.00am, a few days after he helped me change locks on the beach house to reclaim possession of home for Fiona May 2006.

I remember chatting with a research friend (can't disclose) early last year who told me that ASIO was using Facebook to establish profiles of young men and women who then advance on to bigger better things in the wider community with community support developed through Facebook.

I just received an email from one of the many young guys who established a friendship with Adam Davis over Facebook. This young guy purchased Mark Pytellek's manual and DVD from us and is a good guy, heart in the right place. He never mentioned anything to me about his dealings with Adam Davis. I wrote to him earlier today after I saw comments from him posted on Adam's website. I mentioned to him what happened with my comment and sent him a copy of this posting including the 1st email I sent to Adam 4.00am. It felt right to do this so I did it.

What I am telling you now has not been discussed with him or anyone else bar a few close friends.... I intentionally posted a comment 4.00am, 21.5 hours ago (twice) on Truth-movement Australia website, it is written specifically in code (how I was trained back in 2005 - can't discuss as we are under oath) to see how Adam would react to it, what he would do to it, to see if his heart is in the right place etc.

I then emailed the comment as well to Adam using the email address he used to contact me a few days ago to let him know about this comment being posted, covering all bases.

I always trust my real feelings and I have had a a most uncomfortable vibe hanging around for 1 week or so now and it all came to a head when I went back on Adams website an hour ago to see if he had posted this comment (I sent you a copy of this comment), it is still not posted, though many others had been posted since mine was posted around 4.00am. I tried reposting it and the "highly sophisticated" data-base software said this comment is a duplicate of one already posted. This also occurred when I posted it a second time 4.00am 21.5 hours ago. Even the next day the software even remembers all my details in the comment section with name, website and email addresses already showing without even pressing a key or mouse.

The young guy who wrote to me in reply to my email about Adam said his comments (and everyone he knows) get instantly posted to the website. This means that the software Adam's got has detected the ip address I am using to post my comment and has refused to post it. WHY??????

I then watched Adams video and looked into his eyes (I am trained in body language but now more aligned to listening to the feelings/information I receive from ones sudden facial and body gestures like twitches) and huge alarm signals came on instantly. Adam is operating another agenda to the one he is selling. Look at his eyes. They are not sincere or pure, they are hard and cold, they are not in spirit/in-flame with the subject at hand. Did you notice this???? What comes out of his mouth does not come out of his heart.

He is a parrot brilliantly trained. I remember the first time I went to this website I got a cold shiver rush over me.

Things are most definitely not what they seem to be. I was laying in bed this mid-morning and a strong vision of a brown young bird like a starling was laying on its side dead, it had just died.

It appears that he is a plant to subvert this freedom-truth movement. I Hope I Am Wrong but even as I wrote those words I feel I am selling myself short.

It just came back to me that twice over the past 6 weeks or so David Icke came into my dreams and I consciously/instantly woke up so I would remember them. David Icke has been in our website looking around and is fully aware of what we have posted about him, but more than this he is fully briefed on what he must do while in Australia. Our work has been spreading very fast over the past twelve months but it takes a long-time for the information to sink in and the pennies to drop, but at some point it will explode in a huge rush just as we dreamt it/intend it, the effect being like the hundred monkey syndrome.

I now issue you a "BIG WARNING", you, a few others and us, who I consider are true-sincere freedom-truth determiners are being set up to be harmed in whatever way possible, possibly by being discredited through association with material at hand based on possibly your "pending phone conversation" (Providing LEGAL AD-VICE) or by other means brewing away in these secret service agents evil, scheming minds. They want to establish controversy with precedence like they did with the Fitzgibbon/Ian Henke case in London and Hague a few years ago. They white-ant to establish precedence just as they did with the two judges a few years ago over traffic/parking/speeding fines, with 1 judge they broke into his home and the message to the sheeple "Hey, if they can break into a judges home anytime they feel like it, gees, they could break into my home or mums home at anytime either and do what they like ....... shit no one is safe".

Have you noticed a wave of change, like a cool breeze after a hot day, come across the freedom-truth movement over the past week or so, most of it related to young intelligent men coming on board???

There is no doubt there has been a flush of young men and women trained by ASIO etc who have been released into the freedom-truth movement, and others like cosmic consciousness/galactic channellings websites to control as much influence as possible so that the good guys can't influence enough sheeple to break away from these enclosures during this coming 12 months. We are presently causing massive damage to their spells over the sheeple and it appears Fiona and I are being targeted to stop the influences we presently have. The information we are now providing destroys all-their-lies.

I hope I am wrong about Adam Davis (I wonder if that is his real name? he looks more like Jewish to me than an anglo-saxon) but its best to be on the side of great caution and let them make all the moves because they are the ones pushing ahead, so best to stay laid back and casual and just observe what comes your/our way and when it does feel if it is a temptation to draw/suck you/us in or not.

Cut and pasted from this posting back in July 2007 which is very relevant to this situation, particularly about monitoring the sheeple breaking away from their enclosures etc etc:

What Are We Waiting For? by Arthur & Fiona Cristian 25th July 2008: http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/5147

We invite you to spend some time in the Love For Life website because it contains a mountain of information on many, many subjects, most of it information that does not reach the mainstream media and all of it information that could save your life and the lives of your children and grandchildren. If you have any concern about the way the world is headed, please inform yourself and do something! Global genocide is on the cards as intended by the establishment. Don't think you are safe because you have money, assets, land, home and security. The establishment grim reaper is indiscriminate. We feel fortunate to have found the truth but with it comes the burden of the information of a global tsunami that is coming everyone’s way. When you realise what the establishment have been up to over the years you might view the steps you think you have taken towards your "security" a little differently.

There is no doubt that a huge global financial crash is on the way, even though the mainstream media is keeping mum. Now is the time to use any money or assets you have before they are worthless, and they will be, just like credit cards which are pieces of plastic that have caused destruction to the earth! Also worthless is the mountain of knowledge that most of us base our lives on. None of our history, religions, politics, philosophies, science, freedom movements, new age, environmental movements, businesses or organisations have brought us peace so why do we keep thinking they will? All the knowledge that we rely on leads us into endless enclosures where we get stuck, espousing the knowledge that we have learnt and pitting our wits against those in other enclosures who think their knowledge is better than our knowledge! Even the freedom movement has many different enclosures that ensure we remain at odds and under the thumb.

There are many of us fighting in the enclosures of Honour-Dishonour, Admiralty Law, Commercial Redemption, Contract Law, Common Law, Biblical Law, Trial By Jury, Land Rights, Property Rights, Fraud etc, which is exactly what the establishment planned from the beginning. Each enclosure is treated as a containment field (distraction) to keep those who are breaking away from inspiring the global herd to break away as well. With many small enclosures at play, the establishment is able to monitor their present hold over the global herd while taking stock of everyone who is trying to break away. All rebels are classified as major threats to the establishment because if the establishment loses power and control over the global herd it will perish. The establishment knows everything about the rebels and plans to deal with them all at the appropriate time, just as Lenin and Stalin did when they murdered 60 million Soviets.

With the establishment cowboys manipulating the global herd to enter one final enclosure called their New World Order (microchipped population - cashless economy - one world government, banking, economy, language, law, religion, education etc), they do not want any rebels influencing the global herd into rebelling and breaking away. The containment fields collectively provide the establishment with a measuring stick as to how fast they need to go into pushing the global herd towards their final New World Order enclosure. The internet provides another measuring stick as the rebels all use the internet (part of Big-Bother) to communicate.

With the incontrovertible evidence of the establishment's past 10,000 years of mind control tactics now revealed for all to see and spreading quickly around the globe, those of the establishment are panicking. They are now pushing as hard as they possibly can to engineer local and international events (terrorism, wars, civil wars, lack of food and clean drinking water, close down/collapse of the internet, economic depression, government collapse, global warming/environmental issues, pestilence, pandemics, alien invasion etc) that will cause military curfews/police state, the culling of all rebels and a global microchipped population.

We receive mountains of emails from men and women relying on knowledge and blaming someone, anyone for our current crisis but none of them are game enough to shoulder the responsibility themselves and start DOING something to stop destroying MAN and the earth. We have become so clever, so full of the knowledge that we have been pumped with, that we have forgotten that we are creators who are capable of creating the world we desire. Instead, we spend our time re-creating the world of destruction that we are experiencing.

The work that we do in our careers has us be the horses of the chariots of the establishment, pulling along the "civilization" they have created and which we believe in, despite the fact that it is to our detriment to do so. Be it judge, barrister, lawyer, politician, executive, director, educator, expert, academic, professor, journalist, sheriff, policeman, law enforcement officer, military personnel, big business/private corporation employee or observer, etc, we are all creating the world of chaos the way it presently is, pitting ourselves against one another as we claw for the scraps thrown from establishment tables. Being clever is a very dangerous game. Is it worth it, keeping in mind that members of the establishment are also very clever. Are we a ship of fools drifting aimlessly, led by fools? Isn't it time to get together instead of snarling at one another from opposing corners?

While we spend our waking time espousing all the clever knowledge we believe in, only the establishment benefits because we are too distracted (sitting on the fence) from creating and being the remedy HERE AND NOW. By walking-the-talk of the remedy we create here and now, we are relinquishing the hold the establishment has over us (horses), setting ourselves free to enjoy the beauty of our earth while completely disempowering the establishment. How else will we arrive at a world of true peace, freedom, joy and abundance for all?
Please tell me I am wrong, that I am just tired, overworked, stressed out and need a few days off to just relax and smell the roses.

Even if I am wrong about Adam, there is still something sinister going on in the background, things just do not feel right. As one of the comments posted in his website indicated, where did all this money suddenly come from, the costs to cover David Icke, the website, the marketing/network, etc etc. At first impression everything seems too well organised/sophisticated/professional for a 22 year old young MAN involved in a freedom-truth movement to be penetrating this network at super-speed.

I can't think of one freedom-truther who I respect and trust (and there are many), regardless of differences of opinion, who have not put in many years of toil to become the polished-skilled switched on freedom-truther he/she has become after being terribly harmed by the system/the establishment in the first instance.

For a long-time I felt SOS news was an establishment plant website targeting its marketed of disenfranchised farmers etc, now we have another one tailor made for the free man strawman movement. They did this with 9/11 as well.

Let me know what you think?

Do you still think your notebook might have been hacked??????

All the best
Arthur Cristian

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16/01/2009 12:19 PM

info.tma @ sanitised wrote:

Arthur,

Adam Davis here from TruthMovementAustralia.com.au

I need to urgently get in touch with Mark Mcmurtie, can you please send me his
email address.

thanks in advance - you are an inspiration.

Adam Davis

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20/01/2009 4:07 AM

Hi Adam
This is a comment we just posted to your website
All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

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The matrix goes as deep as the fiction goes. Until we are able to see (feel) fiction for what it really is in all its forms we will never be able to step out of the matrix (fiction).

The matrix is built on lies and those who believe in fiction are liars trapped in the matrix. True freedom exists outside the matrix in the real world called creation.

The truth can only ever be found in creation and The Establishment knows this so they work very very hard to keep everyone trapped in the fiction all-the-time. They do this by sending forth wave after wave of their "We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us" lackeys.

Hi Adam, thanks for contacting us and letting us know about this website. We will do whatever we can to support this Truth-Movement Website. For starters we will post full details of your website in various locations around the Love For Life Website shortly.

Also, David Icke stayed in our family home for around 1 week back in 1995/96 in Sydney, he even put on a talk for our friends in the living room. Many strange occurrences happened during that week but it took until 2005 when a script analysis was performed on one of his books to realise that David Icke is one of The Establishment "We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us" lackeys.

Unrelated to our work or influences, there are now hundreds who have contacted us since 2005 who have come to the same conclusion about David Icke working against all sincere freedom-truth seekers. Some of them worked very closely with David.

You need to study the body of our work to comprehend how The Establishment and their lackeys have been conning MAN for the past 10,000 years.

Once you can recognise the clearly defined distinction between the information that is creation and the knowledge that is fiction you will finally have the tools that will assist you in stepping out of the matrix. Our work is based on this very subject culminating in the remedy we now have on offer called "Kindom".

As we have now unraveled the scam in all its forms we have began the steps of providing, talks and workshops for those interested in learning to remember who they really are and what life really is all about. We have also began the initial steps of creating music/songs, videos, film and documentaries to assist anyone who is determined to step out of the fiction and return back to creation (Kindoms).

The remedy that solves all MANS woes can only ever be found where MAN was before MAN fell from creation. No Remedy can ever be found during the time of MANS falling from creation.

For those interested in learning everything there is to know about creation and fiction then for starters please visit the body of our work. Here is a link to a few of our recent postings......

IT IS VERY EASY TO TELL THE TRUTH FROM ALL LIES
THERE ARE SO MANY LIES TO POINT OUT + The Earth's Fever by Arthur Cristian 7th January 2009:
http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/6193

Stepping Out Of The Matrix by Arthur Cristian 17th January 2009:
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6268

PLASTIC BARBIE PLASTIC KEN & THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF RESPONSIBILITY by Arthur Cristian 18th January 2009:
http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/6268#comment-1028

Life Is Good If Your The Predator by Arthur Cristian 16th January 2009:
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6269

Many others can be found here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

It is man-made Knowledge invented out-of-thin-air that is destroying MAN, Earth & Nature. The Establishment are very clever at conning us into trapping ourselves into their matrix of lies and we do this by believing in and worshiping their knowledge "on offer".

You will be staggered by just how deep the rabbit hole goes, so deep that nearly everyone in the freedom-truth movement, particularly those in the free man / strawman arena are still trapped in the fiction and they don't even realise it.

Good on you Adam for the work you now do. It brings great joy to our hearts to see young men like you taking a stand against lies and liars.

All the best to you, your extended family and other loved ones

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
action & loveforlife.com.au
http://www.loveforlife.com.au

ps. the website receives around 5000 visitors per day, around 1.6 million strikes per month and we receive around 300 emails/website comments per day so we apologise in advance if it takes days/weeks for us to respond.

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20th Jan 2008

Hi Grant
Adam Davis contacted us originally by phone call (or someone else young who lives in Perth) and by email a few days ago, regarding Mark McMurtrie & we have also had an increase in younger people contacting us recently as well, some looking for Mark McMurtrie. Some asked us what our thoughts were about Mark McMurtrie and we explained that we can only work with what we are given to work with (substance) meaning we do not talk behind someone else's back to back-stab them or undermine their character etc.

Basically we are not interested in creating a controversy where there isn't one but we did point out that Mark McMurtrie has created a controversy about us, the accusations being all lies and when we confronted him on a few occasions via email about his accusations (we heard from others that he had been back-stabbing us etc) all he offered each time was foul, most abusive, nasty, aggressive and hateful/spiteful venom at us without any evidence to back his claim that he had been injured/harmed by us whatsoever.

So we warn everyone that Mark McMurtrie is a fallen man not to be trusted until he cleans up his act. We explain that the MAN he is creating offers impure and insincere feelings and thoughts which will effect everything that stems from the MAN he is creating, and those who allow themselves to be influenced by Mark McMurtrie will also be effected by the impure and insincere feelings and thoughts created by Mark McMurtrie leading to Harm being done upon those being influenced by Mark McMurtrie.

A light that is pure and sincere is a light that is pure and sincere. A light that has shadows (impure and insincere feelings, thoughts, words and deeds) intermingled is a light not to be trusted. We become in the image of what we focus on and if we focus on impurity and insincerity that is what we project/create in the image of the MAN we are creating. We are all creating MAN, its just that very very very few of us are conscious of the MAN we are creating.

Anyway out of all of this I finally had a look around Adams website and decided to post this comment (see below) around 4.00am this morning. We allow all comments to be posted to the Love For Life website as is instantly without going through an approval process. We remove only those that are hateful and spiteful or racist or contain lots of nasty foul language or promotes sex, violence, hatred, etc or contain links to websites for commercial advertising purposes/means.

A lot will be said about young Adam and his website based on whether this comment is allowed to be posted or not. Its now 1.13pm and its not posted as yet. I will check again tonight.

Did you or family receive the Mark Pytellek parcel we sent New Years Eve?

How is life in offshore Japan???

All the best
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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20th Jan 2008

Ok, I've known Adam through facebook for quite some time (long before he got his site up and running) now and I have become friends with him since. He seems like a very open minded young guy (not that I'm much older lol) and has a lot going for him. He seems to handle criticism quite maturely and well in my opinion, I don't know why ur post would not have gone up on there??? If i post it appears instantly so I'm not aware of any screening process at all. His site has already been attacked by some really negative and idiotic comments and they still appear without discretion so I'm unsure of why urs may not have posted. Maybe it would be good to ask him? I can't see him lying to you or being deceitful at all.

Mark McMurtrie I spoke to on the phone once on a call and a few times via text and he seemed good to me too. What has happened between the love for life campaign and Mark that could have created a division? To me it really seems a shame when good people don't get along, especially when u have 2 brilliant minds with a lot of knowledge and truth between them that could really find common ground and kick some goals (so to speak). I don't doubt u for a second that if Mark didn't like someone or what they stood for that he'd certainly cuss and react in quite a volatile manner though. I'm sorry if u guys were on the receiving end of that too, u can tell by talking to him that he is as rough as guts and as Aussie or Ocker as they came haha.

Oh and come to think of it... Adam has received a lot of criticism for organizing to bring David Icke to Australia as a kick off and I feel for him there. As has been stated his goal is not for anyone to be brainwashed by what David says at all but rather to unite a lot of like minded free thinking people that have at least taken the first step from fully being one of the sheeple. Getting so many good intended people in the same place at the same time can really create some good possibilities and great vibes. I will attend the Icke talk for this purpose, I mean some there might really think he is onto it all and the ducks nuts but I have some questions I want to raise myself in the after talk and I know a fair few that do also. And not about his talk. U for starters raised a few points that made me think twice about David and then quite a few other things have started to get my attention that don't sit with me. I mean take a look at this picture of him (below the video and read the text under it) http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18696/48 ... it's like they are trynna market him as some sought of God himself and he certainly plays along with it well.

[deleted .......... a large paragraph]

Hope all is well my friend,
love and peace,
Grant.

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21/01/2009 10:56 AM

Hi Arthur,

I tested their system this morning, posting your message under a different email, and it wouldn't go through, so I shortened it and it was fine. It must just have a word count limit that's all...and you do tend to write too much. Less is more.

Best
Thomas

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21/01/2009 12:41 AM

Hi Adam,
Just following up to see what happened with this posting?
All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Love For Life Website
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:07:32 +1100
From: Love For Life Campaign
Reply-To: action @ loveforlife.com.au
Organization: Love For Life
To: info.tma@ sanitised

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21/01/2009 11:52 AM

Hi Arthur,
Sorry I wasn't on last night,

I loved your post, thanks for sharing

David Icke is just one of many speakers that I will be promoting, so his agenda
does not really matter, its about bringing everyone together to share and
discuss.

Sincerely

Adam Davis

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21/01/2009 11:06 AM

Have you seen these:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2813528043

http://www.inspirationalevents.com.au/31.html

Adam Davis, The AdWords Guy

Few people, at 21, have travelled the world as a sought-after speaker, had girls screaming for autographs and been recognised as an international expert on a topic that is one of the most talked about subjects in the marketing world.
Not to mention run their own marketing firm with several employees that consult with multi-million dollar companies which are managed by people twice their age and discussing with them how best to increase their profits - using the power of the internet. Yet this is precisely what Adam Davis does.

Based in Perth, Australia, Adam specialises in driving massive amounts of qualified traffic to a website using Google AdWords, and has a track record of success in managing campaigns for businesses large and small and bringing better leads, higher conversions and more profits. Some of Adam's customers have even gone so far as to say he works miracles... of the business kind!

Adam will not only show you the insider tips and secrets to run a successful Google AdWords campaign, but he'll reveal how you can drive hundreds of visitors to your site within just a few hours. And better yet, you can have an international expert in Google AdWords personally run your campaign if you wish. Or you can learn to do it yourself with Adam's valuable home study course that is an international bestseller!

With Adam, you'll be able to turn your website from an expensive white elephant to a moneymaking monster! You will be astounded at how this young man can transform your online business!

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21/01/2009 11:24 AM

Adams Websites

http://www.createthelifeclub.com/cp/Adam-Davis

http://www.xing.com/profile/Adam_Davis

http://www.yoursuccessclub.com/Expert-P ... Adam-Davis

http://uk.youtube.com/user/AdamDavisTV

Thomas

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21/01/2009 2:36 PM

Reply to Thomas..

Then what about this comment posted here: http://www.truthmovementaustralia.com.a ... omment-221 pasted below???
It had no problem being posted.
Mine is below it condensed to same font & size (the 2 samples are not included in this post)

Less is more for those trapped in the knowledge (true matrix) but more is not enough for those outside the matrix. Remember, we are talking about the worship of the intellect (knowledge) here which is the basis of all mind-control (lost in fiction). The sun shines, have you ever seen it stop shining? Your statement "less is more" is only relevant for those who live out of their intellects (in the matrix). We never shorten or edit (apart from the odd grammatical error) anyone's postings because we support freedom of speech and we publish everything relevant to the subject.

Do they want us to fit neatly into their paradigm so they don't grow beyond what they already know? Should we be fitting in with the herd? Only those still in the fiction put up barriers when it comes to freedom of information, speech, thought, etc. Those who truly want to grow with the truth are open to finding it wherever it may be, not just where they expect or hope it to be. Those not really interested in growing are those who censor and control. They prefer to fit in with the standards of the herd and reject all else.

Only those still in the fiction want to fit in with the fiction and behave the right way to be accepted by the herd. Fiona and I will not conform to the fiction, will you? By becoming them (less is more) you join them. If we write the way they do, fit in the way their brains were hard-wired by the education of fiction and the "norms" of the society that unfolds out of it what difference do we make? How do we stand out from the herd???? Is it not a compliment that we are getting plenty of reaction from the sheeple, that the sheeple are lifting their heads to notice the distraction from their grazing amongst the grass of knowledge?

Knowledge is where all the sheeple are grazing. Those that wish to remain with the sheeple will ignore people like us and our work so we don't threaten the barriers to their enclosures. They do not want to lift their heads and look over the fence to other possibilities. The freedom truth movement, including strawman/freeman/honour/dishonour/admiralty law/commerce etc is an enclosure (maze) of many enclosures (mazes) for those who don't like the fiction but it is not a remedy because they are still trapped within the fiction of knowledge. Yes we use the fiction to deal with the "norms" of the society of fiction (keep the wolves at bay) until enough sheeple have awakened and together we drift away from fiction to rejoin creation.

Until the sheeple learn to distinguish between the information that is creation and the knowledge of fiction they will always be trapped and the destruction will continue. They will fight to protect their knowledge with their stances of arrogance and or with their lives because they value their knowledge above themselves, others and the earth. This is the problem we have been facing for the last 10,000 years. The slaves are fighting to wear their manacles and protest vigorously whenever someone tries to loosen them.

The carefully crafted education we undergo, if we choose to follow through to the top, refines and hones our fictitious intellect to the point where we say "less is more" . Less is more is conditional, it is arrogance to tell one man or woman that they should only say so much or in such a way. These masters of the intellect are the leaders of the packs, the lawyers, barristers, top business men and women, politicians, judges etc, still part of the herd but at the top of the pyramids. This education, this pure knowledge, is the basis of the British Empire, and forms the backbone of the true practise of Freemasonry (worship of the intellect of knowledge). At the top they are the leaders of the herd, all grazing in the fictitious fields of fiction, therefore regardless of how brilliant their clever intellects maybe they offer no remedy to step out of the fiction. All their cleverness does nothing to solve our problems, does not offer any remedy. David Icke, Steven Spielberg, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Jordan Maxwell, Paul Keating, Einstein, Robert Arthur Menard, Churchill, etc etc, hundreds of thousands of brilliant intellects.... how many more of us are going to join the worship of the fiction in rebellion against creation????

I go to great trouble to point out statements like these "More Is Less" to show what is the more behind the less. I only do this because I love you and care about you and only wish the very best for you at all times. The sun shines and all is life.

Arthur Cristian

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21/01/2009 2:48 PM

To Thomas......

I reduced it down to a slightly smaller size (see below) than the other one posted that was approved and it still gets rejected. I reduced it 1/2 size as a test and it still gets rejected.
Bullshit......

Arthur

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21/01/2009 3:06 PM

To Thomas.....

All the reason that he was intellectually prepared by his masters for what he now does. He is a plant. The true masters are gardeners who plan their gardens of society in their image well in advance, they know what plants need nurturing amongst the garden of society in their image until the time is right, forecasted for when their plants bear fruit (when they are put before the sheeple to lead the way - "We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us").

The plants are given plenty of fertiliser, plenty of attention/support and guidance, plenty of weeding all around so there is no competition for nutrition (money, finance, advice etc) and no shade cast over them by other strong-tall trees, until their standing has been achieved amongst the sheeple who graze in the paddocks of their masters gardens of knowledge. Adam Davis is a plant. He has been prepared for what he now does just as David Icke was prepared for what he now does (they both have eyes of ice) as do all other liars and deceivers who work for their masters in maintaining power and control over the sheeple.

Remember, its all about keeping the sheeple trapped in knowledge. Doesn't matter what knowledge, as long as it is knowledge because then they can still control them.

The masters do not want the sheeple to awaken to the fiction, to see it for what it really is and flee it in great droves.

Arthur Cristian

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21/01/2009 3:23 PM

Hi Adam
Thanks for writing back, Could you then put it up please in its entirety here: Without You, There Would Be No Truth Movement, because it keeps getting blocked.
I tried twice again today and both times it was rejected.

Its pasted again below

All the best
Arthur Cristian

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21/01/2009 3:50 PM

Arthur, I loved your post and think it is all very useful information.

I am going to do my best to figure out why its not posting.

Give me a call anytime on 0439 995503

Love your work, you are truly an inspiration

Adam Davis

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21/01/2009 3:51 PM

Hey Arthur,

I think the comment must simply be too big for word-press to allow - I will post
this manually for you ok?

Adam

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21/01/2009 4:00 PM

Arthur,

I have found the problem - your post was being picked up as spam.

I sincerely apologize for this! I love your posts and your website, and want to
help spread the message.

Sorry for the inconvenience mate,

It's great to see everyone moving towards a common goal - lets get this
information out to as many people as possible.

Adam Davis

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On 21/01/09 5:23 PM, "Love For Life Campaign" wrote:

21st January 2009

Hello Thomas, Richard, Grant and Adam
I finally had a very long chat with Adam Davis today and it became obvious very quickly that he is indeed a good guy with good intentions with a good heart. So I apologised to him profusely for all the accusations I placed on him for being a plant. I told Adam everything I said about him and I am sending "all" the emails I wrote about him (see above) to Adam as part of my purging for thinking such negative/wrong thoughts about Adam.

Again, I am very sorry Adam

To think I said you had icy eyes like David Icke and looked Jewish. Gees, !!!! please book me in quick...... Well at least it proves to everyone that I am not perfect either as some are still led to believe, yes we get such emails. I need a real break from all this work. There is always a first time for everyone. It is very hard to trust anyone in this line of work, trust issues come with the territory. Its so important to have regular sleep, go to bed early, go out amongst nature in bare feet and eat well, "raw-living food". I fail miserably with the first three.

It was great having such a long chat today with Adam and finding another blood-brother on the path of true-freedom for all and it inspired me immensely that he fully comprehended the defined distinctions between the information that is creation and the knowledge that is fiction. Adam is focused on creating a tribe, has purchased the 1st of 9 Ringing Cedar books and wants to study the body of our work.

Thomas Anderson has received this email but I have bcc his email address as I do not have his permission to give it out at this stage.

Its obvious I am burnt out and need a break. I have been working 16/18 hour days 24/7 since Nov 08 right through Christmas/New Year until today, working to 4.00am lately. With everything else going on with children, wife, police, sheriffs, SDRO wanting to take our cars, mountains of administrative paper work and now still having to look out for who is behind all the weird occurrences and what they are up to, no wonder I need a break.

Also, yesterday I got a call from the Wollongong Sheriffs office, the young man was very nervous and upset saying he wanted us to take all the photos down of Wollongong sheriffs, police & detectives and threatened to have our website taken down etc etc. I kept saying "put it in writing and sent it to whatever address you have to the Arthur Cristian (I wouldn't tell him who I was) your looking for". He was incredibly nervous telling me that the Sheriffs, police and detectives in the photos are not happy about it. hahahahahahaha - Fiona Cristian Reply To State Debt Recovery Office 17th October 2008 - Part One: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5742 Fiona Cristian Reply To State Debt Recovery Office Part Two - Today, A Standoff Between Us & 4 Sheriff Officers & 4 Policeman: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6135

Little do they realise that those at the top of the SDRO may not be too happy when they realise that by "apologising for any confusion" they have caused Fiona and family in the letter dated 23 December 2008, http://loveforlife.com.au/files/Resized ... 8_0001.jpg and http://loveforlife.com.au/files/Resized ... 8_0002.jpg they have actually given us a lawful valid claim for injury. We will counter sue them for the harm and damages caused to us by their gross negligence, not to mention breaking the law, the trespass, the attempted rape (piracy-theft), the stress, the breach of office, the lack of valid court order or warrant, the breach of their duty of care.............can anyone think of any others?

We had every right to take photos of them trespassing on our property and being caught in the act of piracy etc.... for dumbo's Gods sake what were they doing there in the 1st place??? having a Devonshire tea party, socialising.....

Removing Adam out of the picture, what I have stated above is still true about the tactics used by the establishment and the brainsets/attitudes of the sheeple moulded by the education of the British Empire.

Thanks for showing me the way to love and forgiveness Adam
Your Awesome

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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22/01/2009 1:32 AM

Arthur I already accept your apology, it is ok I completely understand your hesitation towards me and your skepticism.

I am very happy we spoke on the phone today, I got a lot out of our conversation, and we definitely connect on a higher level.

As you now know, my purpose in all of this is simply to bring everyone together, and show that we are all on the same side.

The TMA website has launched in a big way, and I am networking well, because these are the 2 skills that I have from being ‘in the system’ as an Internet Marketing expert and a seminar presenter.

Obviously my website and marketing has been professional, because I have spent the last 5 years showing people how to market their products and services online :)

I want to use my skills for the greater good now, instead of showing people how to profit from the system that does not serve them, only enslaves them.

I love what your doing Arthur, and I look forward to seeing what comes of it.

When I am in your area we will meet up in person.

Yours with the utmost respect and sincerity,

Adam L Davis
Truth Movement Australia

Mobile: 0439 995503
Email: Adam @ AdamDavis.tv
http://www.TruthMovementAustralia.com.au

“Instead Of Success, Money or Fame...Give Us Truth”

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22/01/2009 3:07 PM

There you are Adam: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6293 it shows up in many locations around the Love For Life Website.
This is my mark of respect and recognition for a beautiful young MAN (soul) committed to loving REAL life.

How is reality going for you since our chat yesterday? Are you noticing how everything is changing beyond anything you could have comprehended until our chat?

Just how deep does the rabbit hole (fiction) go?

There comes a point in our awakening when we stop being the lie and liar and be Truth.

Welcome to Kindom
A Do No Harm Community Of Conscious Creators
Truly Free - No Beliefs - No Ownership

You will also force yourself to change the motto: "Because The Only Good Is Knowledge And The Only Evil Is Ignorance".
You will know why when your expanding consciousness kicks your conscience up its rear end.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

ps: " When I am in your area we will meet up in person" (you will be looking a long time to find the person Adam, I suggest you ring us when in town and we will guide you in to the meet the MAN we are creating).

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22/01/2009 7:14 PM

Thank you Arthur, I appreciate the support.

And I also appreciate you catching me on saying ‘person’ :)

Adam

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Postby Oldie » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:25 pm
So much speculation caused by something so, well, ridiculous.

The threads title says "Adam Davis being Knighted", so tell me where is this? Where is he being knighted in those photos? I can't see anyone performing any type of Knighting ritual.

I do see photos of a fairly young guy dressed up like in a high school play, or being one of those pretendy type teens that fantasise a lot and dress up accordingly, or many other possibilities.

Talk about tarred and feathered in quick time. Anyone want to throw the rope over a high branch so everyone is ready to lynch the guy when he does show up? Shit people. Wake up, there is no such a thing as trial in forum, finding someone guilty of an alleged "crime" before you know squat.

I think the Opening Poster should also be grilled to understand what the motivation for this most interesting allegations based on photos that show nothing of what he alleges.

* Why is it Kosher to post other people's emails up on a forum, possibly without permission, and what has this got to do with the thread, what is it hoped to achieve?

Seems something is afoot and it smells bad to me. Methinks I will lurk for some time now to see how this unfolds.. and leave the forum if it becomes a shitfight between a variety of parties with different agendas.

Last edited by Oldie on Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Madness takes a toll, so please have correct change.

Oldie

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Postby Love For Life » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:26 pm

"In 2007 I was initiated into the School.
"To serve, as our lords, the sick and the poor"."

To Serve As Our Lords = The Establishment Of Fallen MANS True Freemasonry

The Sick And The Poor = The Serfs/Commoners/Goi/Goy/Slaves/Renters (99.99% of the total global population).

Now that Adam knows what the above really means he is opting out as best he can as quick as possible. He really didn't know what he was getting into.

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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New postby Guan Thwei » Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:58 am

metatron wrote:**** me....Andy, you have **** up big time. First of all, **** all of you stupid motherfuckers for being ignorant and lazy.

Second, I'm closing in on you Andy, you pathetic motherfucker. We''ll find you, you ****, don't worry about that.

LOT is who he says he is, but that was private information, and you had no right to publish it.

LOT will be lodging court documents tomorrow, he's going to sue you Andy, and the admin of the site for breech of privacy.

Then he'll deal with you Andy...you **** scumbag!

If he really lodges court documents, he's gonna cut in his own wrists because he threathened to harm another person.
So if I was Andy, I'd lodge counter court documents because you are threatening me multiple times to harm me.

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
David Rockefeller

Guan Thwei

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New postby Oldie » Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:38 am
It has always amazed that some people think it is okay to say and do what they want, to threaten how they wish, then get truly angry when their Lowness is shown to the public. What's the go with that?

So, on that note.....

Can someone explain to me how it is that conversations and it seems a little anger by one or two members leads to promises or threats of physical and or legal action ?

Are we adults here? Then why are some choosing to act as dumbarse-teenagers?

Who cares what Biker group anyone represents? And why must the power of the Red Machine be brought to bear on someone who speaks there mind against one person claiming that membership?

That's seriously screwed up folks, seriously.

Just as seriously screwed up is threatening to use the power of that club to sort out something totally unrelated to Clubs and Bikes.

So now not only are the PTB of concern to us, now we have to pussyfoot around and choose words extra carefully so that we don't upset the Outlaw Representatives. That's bullshit!!

I rode as a free man all my years, never being involved in Outlaw clubs that only want you for what business you can do for them, and made friends in one or two clubs with guys who were Real and not into the bullshit Power game of "I'm a 1%'er" mentality. Screw that bullshit and anyone who tries to use it as leverage for no GOOD reason.

Perhaps it is time to lock this thread.
Madness takes a toll, so please have correct change.

Oldie

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New postby mr_anderson » Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:25 pm

metatron wrote:**** me....Andy, you have **** up big time. First of all, **** all of you stupid motherfuckers for being ignorant and lazy.

Second, I'm closing in on you Andy, you pathetic motherfucker. We''ll find you, you ****, don't worry about that.

LOT is who he says he is, but that was private information, and you had no right to publish it.

LOT will be lodging court documents tomorrow, he's going to sue you Andy, and the admin of the site for breech of privacy.

Then he'll deal with you Andy...you **** scumbag!

Riiiiiiiiiight.

Your not very good at your job ;)

Please stop provocateuring, distracting and diverting people away from the issue which has now been resolved. You'll note the seatbelt sign is now off and your free to get the hell of the plane...thanks for flying busted airways.

mr_anderson

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New postby Love For Life » Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:52 pm

Adam wrote:oh and for any people who feel that this is the end, its not. It is the beginning.

I do not mind any attacks on me, I have a thick skin and can handle people saying stupid shit. They are bound to. What I will not tolerate is attacks on my family, that is too far.

There is nothing wrong with this website or its contents, it is simply the smallest of minorities which ruin it for everyone else. I have learnt so much from this site, and it will live on even if these people do not wish it to.

The meet ups are still happening, and there is a lot more respect shown there than on this forum thats for sure.

The Truth Movement in Australia, or around the world, will never have unity. Thats where they've got you by the balls. Because some of you see love, unity and respect as all New Age, New World Order crap.

Well if thats the case for you, then good luck to you.

My new website about Self Sustainabilty will be up soon. And I will make it a happy, friendly and compassionate place to be, mark my words.

Adam.

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by Love For Life » Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:52 pm

Change it to Life Sustainability Adam.... the Self is a fiction and is the cause of so much destruction to creation (to life).

Have posted links to podcasts (internet radio interviews with Giorgio Repeti from Talking Alternative.com) that go into greater detail about the fictitious self (amongst so many other subjects) here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 (scroll down to find them)

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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New postby Morganti » Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:43 pm

Just sent an email through to the the Sovereign Grand Commander at The Supreme Council of the 33rd Degree in Wasington DC, Ronald Searle.

Sending emails to media agencies or secret societies (other than the SMOM here in Australia) is pointless.
None of them would engage in forum discussion, and even if they did they aren't the authority you need to engage with.
And I wouldn't trust the Knights of Malta either, even if you could get in contact with them.

The Supreme Council of the 33rd Degree will have NO association with the Knights of Malta, correct me if I am wrong.

EDIT:

Mark *****, authorised spokesman for the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club, Queensland, 'UMC QLD' membership number 00**.

If you are a member of an Outlaw Motorcycle Gang or associate with one you NEED to rethink about how you approach things.
The people in the truth movement are generally not at all like people who are in OMG's or associate with them. You can't just come on here threatening violence for any reason, we are not a group of bikies.

And it only makes you look stupid doing so, no one here is impressed by the fact that you claim to be connected with the Hells Angels. Shame on you, we need to be working together not threatening to bring violence for reasons that are CLEARLY NOT JUSTIFIED.
Also mentioning that you are a member of or associate with such an organization is not good for the truth movement.

This is really going off topic, and I suggest if anyone is going to make any posts on this thread. They SHOULD BE addressing the issue the thread is about.

Morganti

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New postby Erik » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:20 am

metatron wrote:If you're wondering why Andy hasn't been posting here much today, it's because he's been busy over at 9/11oz, trying to make himself seem credible, I think they fiqured him out pretty quickly, decide for yourself

http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=5351

Their thread has nearly as many hits as TMA's thread does! The really interesting part is NOT one comment from their spy Erik? Quick to judge on these boards, but not on HIS own home turf. I bet the folks at 9/11oz don't even know that Erik's here nearly everyday, trolling the TMA boards...

Plus, he banned 'least_of_these_2' again. You really are an idiot Andy, fair dinkum.

Wow I just saw this.. I feel special.. ♥

I love threads about me.

Erik

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New postby Nooby » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:09 am
Is this thread still going?

I ran out of popcorn 5 pages ago.
The Admin and Moderators of TMA hold personal views, beliefs and opinions that do not necessarily reflect the beliefs and opinions of TMA as a whole.

Nooby

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New postby change » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:21 am

Nooby wrote:Is this thread still going?

I ran out of popcorn 5 pages ago.

...so did the thread. :mrgreen: http://www.holocaustdenialvideos.com

I'm not a Nazi...I just don't think the Holocaust happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6C9BuXe2RM&feature=player_embedded

burn him! burn him!

http://toughtalk.proboards.com
The censorship free zone.

change

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New postby Oldie » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:35 am

Popcorn? Awww, I missed out again :?

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Anyone Up On Their Knights Hospitaller 'Conspiracies'?

RE: Adam Davis Being Knighted - Copy Of Forum Post Taken From TMA Website:
http://www.truthmovementaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1879

Anyone Up On Their Knights Hospitaller 'Conspiracies'?
A discussion in the 9/11oz forum regarding Adam Davis:
http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=27462&posted=1#post27462
There are 11 pages in this forum string as of 23rd August 2009

Posted by The Watcher
20 Aug 2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 911oz View Post
The photos appear to have been taken in a hotel or club or convention centre - I say that because the down lights, paint and furnishings have that feel.

Add that to the plaques and certificates on the wall and it all points to the Masonic Centre in Sydney.

This view is further supported by images from the Masonic Centre posted on this thread which show the Knights' regalia in wall mounted show cases.

I am not intending to malign Adam in saying this, it is a reasonable assumption.

It looks like the key questions have been ignored and now forgotten due to all the in-fighting and name calling.

Amazing.
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Yes. The explanations have been as ambiguous and unsatisfactory as the reasons for 'stepping down' have been varied, as noted by Cams2. Though the true believers - many of them apparently adults - over there seem to be incapable of processing the possibility that thay have been misled, whether intentionally, maliciously or otherwise.

'The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth", and so it goes away. Puzzling'.

- Robert M. Pirsig

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Time To Take My Leave - A Post From Adam Davis In The TMA Forum

Time To Take My Leave - A Post From Adam Davis In The TMA Forum:
http://www.truthmovementaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1906

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by Adam » Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:18 pm
I realise now that I am doing the Truth Movement more harm than good from running this forum and trying to put on events. Because of this I will be leaving TMA in the hands of people who you trust.

I don't know who that is, and because of that I would like you to vote for who should take over TMA.

TMA gets roughly 40 - 60 emails per day that will need to be answered to, I find this hard myself, so if someone wants to volunteer to help the person who takes over this will help.

I've also organised for Jordan Maxwell and Peter Joseph to come out sometime this year, so someone can either take the reigns and run these events, or I will tell them its cancelled. Please let me know asap for their sakes.

A complete revamp of Admins is also possible if you wish.

The site costs around $150 a month to run and you will need to host it, I also use iContact for sending out emails to the database of roughly 2000 truth seekers Australia wide.

For those that understand why I won't keep 'defending' myself, thank you for the good times on this thread, I am happy to still post and contribute to meet ups where possible.

Where to from here for me? I'm going to focus on helping Tomorrows Youth Australia and other fantastic organisations like Lifeline, and focus on become more self sustainable.

Thanks everyone, please post your votes.

Adam.

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by Krane » Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:28 pm
*makes chicken noises*

Just kidding bro, or maybe not. Do what you must, I'm more of a jester than an answer-guy.

Though this does seem to be your baby. If people don't like it they should make their own site. It's a big interweb. Whoever runs this site after you will be suspect anyway.

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by mr_anderson » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:19 pm
A bit of an over-reaction for those who asked genuine questions and only received general replies like it 'was a friend'.

I doubt this should be the moment you back away from TMA because of the chosen few you've chosen to listen to rather than the genuine questioners.

All I ask, as I can only speak for myself is more specifics of the get-up and if you really knew what the symbol meant and the implication of setting up a website dedicated to exposing secret societies? (Among other topics)

Wearing that robe and setting up this website will peak some interest and it's not fair that you play the victim and shy away from giving specifics.

You may be 100% correct that it's your friend's robe but that's all I've been given in way of a response so I do apologise for the bluntness of my post.

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by change » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:27 pm

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Adam wrote:I realise now that I am doing the Truth Movement more harm than good from running this forum and trying to put on events.
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Which Truth Movement is being referred to here? This same rhetoric came through in this thread...
http://www.truthmovementaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1435

I see EVERY SINGLE deactivation from this forum as a loss for the truth movement in australia and around the world. All opinions, beliefs and philosophies are welcome here....

...I'm not having a go at Adam, far from it, he needs to find his feet and get back on the job. It just needs to recognised that this places is new, is not 'The' truth movement, it is a midget which stands on the shoulders of giants. It can however make a difference if it finds a direction and cause.

I say thumbs up to Adam for getting this place happening, it bears testament to his skills, but what is it really about and where is it heading? Is this place about spiritual/new age/theosophical Truths or about hard hitting real political Truths?

I'm getting pissed off with talking, I want action. I think we need to work out a national group evolutionary precision placement strategy, starting with the emulation and infiltration of GetUp!.org. We need Adam because he has the marketing skills and is able to inspire people. Propaganda/marketing is everything.

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by jacksomc+ » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:32 pm
change, there is one difference between you and Adam, you talk about something, and Adam has acted, he has walked the talk.
If you don't like what's on the site why do you bother with it.

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by change » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:44 pm

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jacksomc+ wrote:change, there is one difference between you and Adam, you talk about something, and Adam has acted, he has walked the talk.
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Now why would come out with a spastic retarded comment like that jacksomc? I have a vision you arsehole, I just don't know how to connect with like minded people, that's why I came to this site.

Fu.ck you, you apathetic retard. If every one sat around like you trying to suck Adams cock and saying how he is doing such a wonderful job then this place will surely die.

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by Nooby » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:46 pm
Settle petals.

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by jacksomc+ » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:50 pm
change, l would like to see what you said above to my face,then you would see how weak l am, l found your information on the Holocaust interesting,but that's where it ends.

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by mr_anderson » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:53 pm

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jacksomc+ wrote:change, l would like to see what you said above to my face,then you would see how weak l am, l found your information on the Holocaust interesting,but that's where it ends.
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Ok fellas back to your corners... No need for speculation to morph into little tiffs.

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by change » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:03 pm

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jacksomc+ wrote:change, l would like to see what you said above to my face,then you would see how weak l am, l found your information on the Holocaust interesting,but that's where it ends.
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haha...I didn't say you were weak, just a retard. Get over it mate. Or are you insinuating that you would like to physically demonstrate to me that you are not 'weak'.

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by Nooby » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:06 pm
Hey my epenis is bigger than yours, lets go out into the carpark and have an ewang fight!

geez guys.....

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by jacksomc+ » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:10 pm
Change, why don't you reframe from personnel attacks, that would be a good start.

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by change » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:14 pm

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Jacksomc, when you stop dribbling this sort of shit...change, there is one difference between you and Adam, you talk about something, and Adam has acted, he has walked the talk.

If you don't like what's on the site why do you bother with it....then I'll start being nice. OK, so you stop attacking me in the first place ok? I don't feel like taking shit today ok?

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by change » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:16 pm

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geez guys.....

Nooby, that's not fair and you know it.

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by Calem Smith » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:32 pm
ANYWAY

I own my business Southside Digital, its a .com.au hosted @ Hostsmart. I have very little knowladge with hosting ect, but if adam cant pay to keep it up, ill donate my space and bandwidth if its possible. Someone else would have to set it up and move everything ect, but i do have unlimited bandwidth. I have the "business package" http://hostsmart.com.au/

My online store is a as good as dead and never got off the ground unfortuanetly. Just an offer. Im not sure if i can even help. just throwing it out there. it would be a shame to see such a brilliantly put together forum die because of something lame.

If hosting is an issue, i think i might be able to help. I have to foot the bill for my dead site anyways

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by Erik » Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:03 pm
OK I have some comments that I want to share about all that has happened...

Anyone who criticises Adam is a f u c k knuckle. However I don't blame you if you do, it's not your fault. Society has betrayed you, you woke up one day and realised all was a lie. Your belief system was destroyed and through this event you began to question everything. The phrase "why do I believe what I do? Why do I think what I do?" probably went through your head. You let go of everything and started analysing everything to reconstruct what was real and what was fake in the world.

How do I know? Because in 2006, I saw loose change 2nd edition. This caused me to go through what I described, I fell into a black whole of confusion, what was true, what wasn't?... However I have balanced out and have come to some conclusions that I hold to be true, but also open to new information, as we all should be.

Some of you have not balanced out and so you see "devils" and "satan worshippers" and "spooks" and whatever else... it can just get a bit stupid at times, calm down...

I've seen the attacks on Adam and I find them to be the most ignorant thing ever. Adam, just tell em all to get f u c ked and keep doing what you want to do. That's what I do when I butt heads with f u c kwits in the movement.

As for the cost of the Forum.... $150 a month? Crikey I host 10+ sites with forums etc.. costs me $9 a month.

Adam, keep in touch aye, you're a smart kid and don't let f u c kwits ruin your day.

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by Guan Thwei » Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:59 pm
How I see it:

If you, Adam, were some sort of activist leader, I'd probably call you and ask what's going on with these pics, well the background thing.
Just because there would be an uncertainty about safety.

But, you are the admin of an internet site, it doesn't matter what you do in your privat life, it doesn't have any effect on me.
Because it's on the internet, it can't physically harm me.

I say all we really need on these forums are guidelines of behaviour, to stop people from insulting/threatening others, without any penalties against them.

It's not right that someone sits behind his pc and insults anothers person intelligence etc. without any consequences.

The safety of the internet shouldn't allow such people to do whatever they please.

Yes, it is a censorship.....against INSULTS and THREATS.

If I really wanted to insult someone, call him names etc, I'd do that in a PM, and not in a public thread, just so I can get attention from the forummembers, try to make myself look soooo cool, or whatever reason people may have here.

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by TruthMirror » Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:52 pm
Its not going to help anyone to 'shut-down' down the site...

I really respect you Adam and what you have achieved in TMA however I believe that its not you doing more harm than good to TMA rather that its TMA (some members in particular) that is doing more harm than good to you. As you said you've achieved what you wanted by starting TMA.. and you have achieved allot. Its probably best for yourself that you dont let this get you down and bow out before it ruins all the good that you have created, from all these non-sense accusations. The problem is that these constant petty arguments and accusations against you regardless whether you did anything or not, has undermind the effectiveness of the forum to cooperate.

I agree you now need to appoint someone else and step back as the forum head of TMA and let someone else handle the burden of the forum ONLY because time is running out and we cant afford to have TMA members arguing with each other all day long about you. I think as a forum leader your ability to draw public awareness was your greatest achievement however I think its also what has allowed everyone to target you. I think you should remain as head of TMA in all other respects just let someone else handle the forum side of it to dilute all this mistrust, many hands make light work, joint control. Give away unanimous control to save the rest if you catch my drift, i dont think anyone could organise the meetups and speakers better than yourself (i loved the Icke presentation). Hopefully it may make the focus shift away from "attack adam davis" and get back to what the forum is about "sharing information".

Surely you would be just as able if not better able to contribute your immense talents to TMA when you dont have this sort of pressure on your shoulders. The last thing I would want is for you to turn away from TMA over this BS, because none of this is your fault, you did nothing wrong as far as I know. But I guess proof becomes irrelevant once people have made their mind up your guilty. Lighten the load for your own sake, not because others have it in for you.

Peace.

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by Calem Smith » Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:30 pm

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TruthMirror wrote:Its not going to help anyone to 'shut-down' down the site...

I really respect you Adam and what you have achieved in TMA however I believe that its not you doing more harm than good to TMA rather that its TMA (some members in particular) that is doing more harm than good to you. As you said you've achieved what you wanted by starting TMA.. and you have achieved allot. Its probably best for yourself that you dont let this get you down and bow out before it ruins all the good that you have created, from all these non-sense accusations. The problem is that these constant petty arguments and accusations against you regardless whether you did anything or not, has undermind the effectiveness of the forum to cooperate.

I agree you now need to appoint someone else and step back as the forum head of TMA and let someone else handle the burden of the forum ONLY because time is running out and we cant afford to have TMA members arguing with each other all day long about you. I think as a forum leader your ability to draw public awareness was your greatest achievement however I think its also what has allowed everyone to target you. I think you should remain as head of TMA in all other respects just let someone else handle the forum side of it to dilute all this mistrust, many hands make light work, joint control. Give away unanimous control to save the rest if you catch my drift, i dont think anyone could organise the meetups and speakers better than yourself (i loved the Icke presentation). Hopefully it may make the focus shift away from "attack adam davis" and get back to what the forum is about "sharing information".

Surely you would be just as able if not better able to contribute your immense talents to TMA when you dont have this sort of pressure on your shoulders. The last thing I would want is for you to turn away from TMA over this BS, because none of this is your fault, you did nothing wrong as far as I know. But I guess proof becomes irrelevant once people have made their mind up your guilty. Lighten the load for your own sake, not because others have it in for you.

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Adam, Ive barely begun to know you, But you can still do so much. Pass the torch to a degree, but by the looks of it, the people who matter are behind you 100%

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by Adam » Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:07 pm
Let me make something clear here, I wish to leave because I feel that my skills have been put to good use with setting up this site, and forum however this is where my skills end. The above posts are an absolute example of why I feel that the Truth Movement will never have solidarity. There is simply no respect. People who feel that they know more than others, always end up putting the other person down in some way shape of form.

It is this elitist mindset that some people have that I believe needs to be addressed if the Truth Movement (not just this website which IS a grain of sand in the grand scheme of things) is to continue to grow.

The reason I am taking a complete back seat role is NOT because of personal attacks against me, if people look at my post history they can see that I have had people talking shit about me since I first started this website, I am used to such issues.

What has really got to me, is that fact that my little sister called me yesterday, crying on the phone saying someone messaged her on facebook and said 'You little Knights of Malta whore I should kill you'. When my family is starting to get abused because of my actions, its time to realise enough is enough.

People may speculate all they wish, I will not say my friends name for obvious reasons at this point. If you don't like it, tough. I completely understand why some people would have an issue with these pictures, and my honest reply is that I forgot about these pictures for a very long time, they were taken in 2007. I only learnt through Unmovable that the Knights had connections to some sinister plots in 2009. In between that a tma member reminded me of the photos, but I had no idea they would be an issue until now.

I believed that through Unity would come a solution. But what I now realise is that the Truth Movement is vast, and has a LOt of differing opinions. So without respect and trust for one another things can move knowhere.

There are those of you who became truth seekers because you felt that the world was insane, and through knowledge would come the understandings of the world, and through knowledge of the world comes self improvement and development. It is these people I respect in this movement, people who don't just think everything is out of their control, but realise that the only way to make change is to take some sort of action.

I've met people this year who I know will be my friends for life, and I appreciate them for who they are, and I hope that if I am nearby we can get together and talk. You know who you are and my door is always open to you.

However there are others that trust no'one apart from themselves, and will point the finger at everything and anything before pointing the finger at themselves.

I leave it in your hands, what do you wish for from TMA, I don't wish to destroy all the progress we have, but i'm sure that you would understand why I feel I have done my dash. If anything TMA can grow stronger with no decision maker, if the people who wish to respect one another come together to run it for the betterment of everyone else.

TMA is everyones, that is how I feel about it, its not mine, I don't feel ownership towards it. If people think I have this huge ego about it, so be it.

I was told once that only 5% of people will ever take action in their lives, and I'm learning that slowly.

Change hit the nail on the head, there are TWO Truth Movements, and thats the issue. One is dealing with the 'real world events' of government control and manipulation. And the other is a movement towards spiritual truths and mutual respect for everyone, and forgiveness towards those who wish us harm.

I'm not here to say which one is more important, but what I will say is that this website has become more about real world issues, and love and respect (at least on the forum) has almost entirely gone out the window, which isn't a surprise considering how easy it is to attack someone from behind a keyboard.

Peace

Adam.

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by Adam » Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:35 pm

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mr_anderson wrote:A bit of an over-reaction for those who asked genuine questions and only received general replies like it 'was a friend'.

I doubt this should be the moment you back away from TMA because of the chosen few you've chosen to listen to rather than the genuine questioners.

All I ask, as I can only speak for myself is more specifics of the get-up and if you really knew what the symbol meant and the implication of setting up a website dedicated to exposing secret societies? (Among other topics)

Wearing that robe and setting up this website will peak some interest and it's not fair that you play the victim and shy away from giving specifics.

You may be 100% correct that it's your friend's robe but that's all I've been given in way of a response so I do apologise for the bluntness of my post.
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you've made some fantastic points mate, however there is a bigger picture at play that you must understand, this isn't about this one issue, its about my realisation that there are some people out there who will take things too far, and threaten my family with little evidence to back them up. This is SCARY for me, and I hope you understand.

Adam.

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by TruthMirror » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:01 pm

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Adam wrote:The above posts are an absolute example of why I feel that the Truth Movement will never have solidarity. There is simply no respect. People who feel that they know more than others, always end up putting the other person down in some way shape of form. It is this elitist mindset that some people have that I believe needs to be addressed
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I agree with what you say in reference to a minority in the movement in general but 'The above posts'??.... As in 'all' above posts?

...from what i could tell there were only two posters in this thread having a go at each other for whatever personal reasons, but other than that I thaught we were all quite respectfull, im not sure to whom youre referring...

Peace.

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by allyoops59 » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:30 pm
People are very quick to judge and so often it ends up with criticisms and rudeness, so often I see this and it saddens me to see it on this site. Abuse is not the way to go here or anywhere. We are all here to be enlightened on what is really happening around the world and although we might not agree with everything we read or hear it does not give us the right to ridicule, that is anti-productive. Ask questions and then make your mind up and then choose to disagree if you want to and then move on, that is your right to do so.

I’ve been a member for a few months now and this is my first reply. I am in amazed of what has been discussed hear, things I had no idea about and it is thanks to everyone here.

I now feel I have to say something and that is I have made many mistakes in my life and I have a feeling everyone here has too and I bet we have all learned by them, well guess what, Adam didn’t make a mistake more of an error of judgement and guess what, we’ve all done those as well.

Adam you will always come across negative mined and abusive people but the good will always override them, I’m sorry to say, it’s the nature of human beings. Sometimes you just have to hang in there and let people have their say, the good the bad and the dam right ugly.

Sorry to have taken up so much of your time but before I go I hope Adam that you stay and I would like to thank you for all your hard work. I saw David Icke and just remember what he had to go through and he’s still here. We need to unite not separate.

allyoops59

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by moonchild73 » Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:06 pm
Adam,

Please don't leave. I can understand you feeling this way. I think there are a few people that are jealous, unbalanced and full of righteousness all based on fear. I think you started TMA with a loving intention. I think you are made of sterner stuff. Surely you can just ban all these trouble makers. Either way please know you have my support.

I hope that the people that are making the trouble actually take a moment to look inside their hearts, be honest with themselves and realise they are making a big mistake.

Hugs and Love,
Moonchild73

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by mr_anderson » Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:29 pm

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Adam wrote:What has really got to me, is that fact that my little sister called me yesterday, crying on the phone saying someone messaged her on facebook and said 'You little Knights of Malta whore I should kill you'. When my family is starting to get abused because of my actions, its time to realise enough is enough.

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Well that's cointelpro dude, easy.

No doubt they have a presence on this board and scoping out the situation to find any vulnerabilities they can exploit and one is threats against family. It could be some mentally ill loser.. But I'd pursue that through the Police, I really would.

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Adam wrote:I completely understand why some people would have an issue with these pictures, and my honest reply is that I forgot about these pictures for a very long time, they were taken in 2007. I only learnt through Unmovable that the Knights had connections to some sinister plots in 2009. In between that a tma member reminded me of the photos, but I had no idea they would be an issue until now.
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That added a little more clarity, thankyou.

Yeah again Facebook has added profile security, I'd use it to guard against the stalkers and freaks.

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by mr_anderson » Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:33 pm

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Erik wrote:OK I have some comments that I want to share about all that has happened...

Anyone who criticises Adam is a f u c k knuckle. However I don't blame you if you do, it's not your fault. Society has betrayed you, you woke up one day and realised all was a lie. Your belief system was destroyed and through this event you began to question everything. The phrase "why do I believe what I do? Why do I think what I do?" probably went through your head. You let go of everything and started analysing everything to reconstruct what was real and what was fake in the world.

How do I know? Because in 2006, I saw loose change 2nd edition. This caused me to go through what I described, I fell into a black whole of confusion, what was true, what wasn't?... However I have balanced out and have come to some conclusions that I hold to be true, but also open to new information, as we all should be.

Some of you have not balanced out and so you see "devils" and "satan worshippers" and "spooks" and whatever else... it can just get a bit stupid at times, calm down...

I've seen the attacks on Adam and I find them to be the most ignorant thing ever. Adam, just tell em all to get f u c ked and keep doing what you want to do. That's what I do when I butt heads with f u c kwits in the movement.

As for the cost of the Forum.... $150 a month? Crikey I host 10+ sites with forums etc.. costs me $9 a month.

Adam, keep in touch aye, you're a smart kid and don't let f u c kwits ruin your day.
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Dude you seriously need to calm down, your sounding like an Obama / Bush supporter in your claim people can't criticise.

I asked legitimate questions whilst others went off on tangents and even one guy wanted a meetup about the issue *cough* It's a trap *cough*.

And Adam responded eventually with answers. It's all good.

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by Ree » Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:43 pm
Adam

The first thing I'd like to say is...

I'm sorry for jumping the gun and assuming when I made the statement about your silence being louder than AJ's bullhorn. That was my bad, I apologize. :oops: Everyone's entitled to time out.
One of my faults is impatience when it comes down to finding out the truth and undiplomatic in my words in this regard.

I've always respected you and honestly think that your motives have been sincere and I still think that. As I've come to learn who you are over these months ( we do reveal who we are by what we say) I've thought, what a sweet young man, the type I want to gather under my wing so to speak.

What I needed to hear was your response and I was thinking about phoning you when you made the offer and I still may do but not before I say this publically, since this has been so public.
What you said in your post above explained a bit more, particularly this...

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I completely understand why some people would have an issue with these pictures, and my honest reply is that I forgot about these pictures for a very long time, they were taken in 2007. I only learnt through Unmovable that the Knights had connections to some sinister plots in 2009. In between that a tma member reminded me of the photos, but I had no idea they would be an issue until now.
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As has already been mentioned we have all done and said things we wished we had not of.
There's also the possibility you were set up to take the fall if things did not go according to plan.
One can never underestimate the enemy.

I'm saddened with the threat made to your sister, that's just crazyiness, hatred and spitefull and I do understand if you want to take more of a back seat. You haven't done your dash if you regret being in the order. It will be quite the conrtray if you are no longer in it's ranks.

Sincerely
Ree

PS..The disrespect and plain nastiness among members will tear up this site from the inside and the enemy wins.

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by mclmm-2 » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:17 am
I'd like to sincerely apologise to the forum for the disrespect I displayed to Patrick and his ilk in the various threads. I have been accused many times of being a "blunt instrument" when it comes to interpersonal conflict and especially so when acting out of any sense of outrage at perceived "injustice". In hindsight, it's clear that words do echo and it's the intent behind them that creates or does damage.

I'm working on it.

Peace out.

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by Calem Smith » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:25 am

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What has really got to me, is that fact that my little sister called me yesterday, crying on the phone saying someone messaged her on facebook and said 'You little Knights of Malta whore I should kill you'. When my family is starting to get abused because of my actions, its time to realise enough is enough.
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Say no more Adam. I look forwed to meeting you in the future.

If theres anything I can do for the TMA forum, I think its the Hosting issue.

Once again tho. I have no idea how this stuff works. So ill need someone to help me.

I also have a close friend who stands by the Truth Movement, who also set up my online store and handles all the techy stuff ive needed in the past. He knows php, c++ ect.

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by Erik » Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:13 am
Well....

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What has really got to me, is that fact that my little sister called me yesterday, crying on the phone saying someone messaged her on facebook and said 'You little Knights of Malta whore I should kill you'. When my family is starting to get abused because of my actions, its time to realise enough is enough.
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Mate, that's something to go to the police with straight away.

Mr Anderson...

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Dude you seriously need to calm down, your sounding like an Obama / Bush supporter in your claim people can't criticise.
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Ye mate, I'm a Bush / Obama supporter, nice one , niiiiiccceeee one.. :roll: As you know people can say anything, but to criticise someone for a made up fantasy is absurd

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by Reunite » Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:31 am
Adam don't give up.

You are young and I believe you didn't know the repercussions of dressing up as a knight. I hope you didn't take any of my comments as a personal attack. I would never inquire into someone's financial situation but since you publicly posted how much you have in the bank I saw a discrepancy of a successful businessman.

The truth movement needs to continue so a new shift in focus needs to be addressed. Yes this forum does need a restructure. No admin/moderator should ever post a member's personal info or photo's whether or not they have an unknown agenda. It's all speculation at this stage.

Adam I'm going to PM you for some protection techniques for you and your family.

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by mr_anderson » Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:11 pm

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Erik wrote:Well....

What has really got to me, is that fact that my little sister called me yesterday, crying on the phone saying someone messaged her on facebook and said 'You little Knights of Malta whore I should kill you'. When my family is starting to get abused because of my actions, its time to realise enough is enough.
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Mate, that's something to go to the police with straight away.

Mr Anderson...

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Dude you seriously need to calm down, your sounding like an Obama / Bush supporter in your claim people can't criticise.
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Ye mate, I'm a Bush / Obama supporter, nice one , niiiiiccceeee one.. :roll: As you know people can say anything, but to criticise someone for a made up fantasy is absurd.
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Erm sounding like one... You know the whole 'Can't criticise our President' type deal.

But asking questions of the pictures is fair and the answers Adam gave is equally fair.

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by Morganti » Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:17 pm

Ye mate, I'm a Bush / Obama supporter, nice one , niiiiiccceeee one.. :roll: As you know people can say anything, but to criticise someone for a made up fantasy is absurd.

He didn't say that, he said LIKE a Bush / Obama supporter, and I am sure you know what he meant.
The idea that anyone that critcizes Adam is a "fxxk .." is BULLSHIT.

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by Erik » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:21 am
You know what? I've seen Adam get Attack from many different angles over the last few months and the only thing I see and smell is bullshit from the attackers.

I'm kind of sick of it to be honest. Being an investigative type of person, who knows what it means to be self employed and hard working, I would turn red when i heard bullshit about making money and intentions, it drove me made. Poor/ignorant idiots jelous and stupid people. Sums it up well...

So, if you think someone who's looked into all the facts and come up with a conclusion is "like" an Obama support then, good for you. And yes I did know that was the meaning.

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by Reunite » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:44 am

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Erik wrote:You know what? I've seen Adam get Attack from many different angles over the last few months and the only thing I see and smell is bullshit from the attackers.

I'm kind of sick of it to be honest. Being an investigative type of person, who knows what it means to be self employed and hard working, I would turn red when i heard bullshit about making money and intentions, it drove me made. Poor/ignorant idiots jelous and stupid people. Sums it up well...

So, if you think someone who's looked into all the facts and come up with a conclusion is "like" an Obama support then, good for you. And yes I did know that was the meaning.
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I could pick apart your response concerning the grammer, spelling and the hypocrisy but I won't.

What I will suggest is to do some internal reflection and ask yourself why do you let others push your buttons so easily. Be the master of your own domain without snap judgements. Everyone is entitled to ask questions without being labeled by the numerous offensive names you so elegantly expressed.

I run my own forum and this is one of the guidelines.

"Respect to others is mandatory. Disagreeing beliefs are beneficial towards developing new ideas and discoveries however it is to be conducted in a respectable manner. This includes no rude or aggressive behavior, targeting individuals or petty name calling"

Very similar format to TMA concerning all related topics and close to 13,000 posts as well and I've only ever had to ban 1 person because a mutual and common understanding is reflected amongst all the members.

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by mr_anderson » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:39 pm

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Erik wrote:You know what? I've seen Adam get Attack from many different angles over the last few months and the only thing I see and smell is bullshit from the attackers.

I'm kind of sick of it to be honest. Being an investigative type of person, who knows what it means to be self employed and hard working, I would turn red when i heard bullshit about making money and intentions, it drove me made. Poor/ignorant idiots jelous and stupid people. Sums it up well...

So, if you think someone who's looked into all the facts and come up with a conclusion is "like" an Obama support then, good for you. And yes I did know that was the meaning.
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Show me where I attacked Adam...

Your making no sense dude. I said you sound like an Obama / Bush supporter for saying any criticism of Adam is a person who is a f*** knuckle.

All your doing though is painting me with the same brush of the other people who have attacked Adam and allegedly threatened his family.

I'm not ignorant, jealous or stupid... I ask questions, demand answers. If you tell the truth nothing can touch your words.

And as I've said before a few times before, Adam has responded with fair answers. I'll take them at face value whether they be true or not... it's done, over. Time to move on.

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by mclmm-2 » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:56 pm
Erik,

From my perspective, I saw mr-anderson as seeking info in order to make an informed choice. He didn't seem to be leaning one way or the other.

Peace out

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by Erik » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:30 pm
I was speaking generally of the people criticising Adam, not anyone in particular.

As for my spelling and grammer, I'm slightly dyslexic so I type badly, mix up words etc..

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by jacksomc+ » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:40 pm
Erik, your not alone l am the some, l generally have to edit my posts a fews times

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by zoo brick » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:08 pm
Reunite,

Grammar.

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by change » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:12 pm

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zoo brick wrote:Reunite,

Grammar.
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hahahaha!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: You gotta have a sense of humour in this world.

I got busted the same way earlier this year calling someone unintelligent whilst unwittingly spelling 'unintelligent' incorrectly.

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by Reunite » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:33 pm
that's brilliant.. I deserved it

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by zoo brick » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:02 pm
smile/laughter

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by Love For Life » Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:33 am

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Adam wrote:

mr_anderson wrote:A bit of an over-reaction for those who asked genuine questions and only received general replies like it 'was a friend'.

I doubt this should be the moment you back away from TMA because of the chosen few you've chosen to listen to rather than the genuine questioners.

All I ask, as I can only speak for myself is more specifics of the get-up and if you really knew what the symbol meant and the implication of setting up a website dedicated to exposing secret societies? (Among other topics)

Wearing that robe and setting up this website will peak some interest and it's not fair that you play the victim and shy away from giving specifics.

You may be 100% correct that it's your friend's robe but that's all I've been given in way of a response so I do apologise for the bluntness of my post.

you've made some fantastic points mate, however there is a bigger picture at play that you must understand, this isn't about this one issue, its about my realisation that there are some people out there who will take things too far, and threaten my family with little evidence to back them up. This is SCARY for me, and I hope you understand.

Adam.
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Adam,
Going back to 2005 when we went full-time searching for "remedy" (99% of the time being unpaid because we willingly do this Love For Life work as acts of love to benefit/inspire others), we have had all kinds of attempts on our lives or wellbeing including
three recent death threats,
attempts to run Arthur off the road,
one of our supporters being hog-tied (and his wife - both in their 70's) with bullet fired into his hip while both being terrorised/tormented for a few hours,
Arthur followed by what appeared to be two Federal Police (or ASIO) along the dangerous narrow very windy dirt-track road running along the side of the Snowy River for around 50 minutes or so from Suggan Buggan Vic to almost Ingebirah NSW with speeding Fed car trying to cause an unfortunate or fatal accident,
with 2 year old in her care Fiona's body being kidnapped by a very aggressive, abusive and nasty Police officer who later tried to terrorise Arthur in a haka like state for almost 10 minutes at the back of the police station,
experiencing a series of many police officers and sheriffs coming together to rape, pillage, plunder and terrorise us breaking all the laws they are supposed to uphold in the process,
over 4 years receiving thousands of emails (some phone calls) full of hatred, violence, abuse or wishing us dead or getting threats to take our children away etc etc etc etc.

The list of attacks goes on and on and on and on.

When you are determined to apply remedy as in Kindom, it becomes the greatest threat imaginable to the PTB. The thought of mass exodus from the fairytale that is the western world civilisation of commerce (of ancient egypt) unfolding out in the open as acts of love to benefit and inspire others (including the wider communities) is absolutely terrifying to the PTB.

The work of love (our intended energy/power of creation) is not completed until the covert, shadow spiderweb, freemasonic world of the British Empire (inc all houses of Europe), supposedly left behind after it retreated from an overt standing, has completely collapsed and is no more.

As these Do No Harm Communities (Kindoms) thrive and expand they sound the death knell to this evil fairytale that is a program of chaos (The Rules Of The Divide) that has caused ALL the destruction to the living dream of MANS co-creation.

We are now in pre-production of a 2 hour documentary that includes/encapsulates the remedy of Kindom. As mentioned in a previous/recent post, many of these heartfelt-inspired insights are discussed in the podcasts and video here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 (scroll down to find them). The documentary is the culmination of all our work. We are shortly to move on to land to begin the first steps of co-creating Kindom with others who live this dream.

Lets not be the fox who thought it had crossed the stream, relaxed and got its tail wet . Every dream comes with full-responsibility and if we let go of this responsibility, regardless of the justifications and circumstances, the dream fades away and dies. Its all explained in the podcasts.

One of the common tactics of the freemasonic world is to build up hope and then smash what has been created into the faces of everyone involved. And the message.... we can't get together, we cant stand united, we remain weak, fragile, isolated individuals who remain easy pickings for the establishment to pick off.

They do not want us to remember who we really are and what we are part of because if we did we will co-create "COMMUNITY IMMUNITY".

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

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by Von Curtis » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:50 am
Arthur , it is great all the good work you are doing to get out of this bad fairytale/nightmare we have been in for too long. i agree with what you say and are striving for but I find it hard to see how we can do no harm to plants and animals when we must eat to stay alive and healthy.
We look after our beef cattle very well here even though we have had awful droughts ( not by chance I don't believe) , my husband and son are very kind to animals all the time. We do sell them eventually and they do end up as steak , sausages , mince - and many people enjoy those types of food.

I think it is a bit unrealistic to cut out all meat. chicken, fish etc out of our diets and do no harm to anything.

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by starseed » Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:38 pm
Adam,

A friend just reminded me that when you hold something too tight, you kill it. I have been watchful of your tma movements and your personal progress along the way. I am astounded by your maturity and balance. I draw on my wisdom as an older woman, developed through a lifetime of experiences that I hope no one else ever has to endure when I say to you: I admire your grace Adam and your ability to let go. The biggest gift you can give someone is giving them back to themselves, maybe what some members need. As for the dual paths of the movement, I believe all paths lead to the same destination, but some are a little less laborious, which I believe is the path you I have both taken.

Namaste Adam.

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by Love For Life » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:51 am

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starseed wrote:Adam,

A friend just reminded me that when you hold something too tight, you kill it. I have been watchful of your tma movements and your personal progress along the way. I am astounded by your maturity and balance. I draw on my wisdom as an older woman, developed through a lifetime of experiences that I hope no one else ever has to endure when I say to you: I admire your grace Adam and your ability to let go. The biggest gift you can give someone is giving them back to themselves, maybe what some members need. As for the dual paths of the movement, I believe all paths lead to the same destination, but some are a little less laborious, which I believe is the path you I have both taken.

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Dear Starseed
A dream only lives as long as the energy/power of our creation is put into it. Without our energy/power of creation the dream fades away until it is no more. Relationships/partnerships are dreams. Our babies, our children, our families, our communities/tribes/villages are dreams as well.

Creation (life) is a dream of co-creation, of partnership. Community is a dream of co-creation but unfortunately almost no longer exists anymore because MAN has fallen from the dream of co-creation in preference to surviving fictitious stories of a fictitious self invented/imagined out-of-thin-air which keeps he/she apart from others, rendering him/her incapable of creating dreams of co-creation.

Most men and women have a trail of broken dreams behind them because they have not taken full responsibility for those dreams.

When we no longer put our energy into our relationships, families, communities, etc, they are destroyed. When we take full-responsibility for our dreams, we act as gifts of love to those dreams, co-creating the acts of love that keep those dreams alive. Beliefs keep us acting for our SELVES, apart from others and unable to be the gifts of love that take responsibility for our dreams.

While we are conscious of our dreams we nurture them; when we become unconscious, we neglect our responsibilities to our dreams which means we destroy them.

MAN fell from consciousness because of a shift in focus. The shift in consciousness, a term so widely used these days but rarely comprehended by anyone of its true meaning is ONLY just a shift in focus. Being conscious of our living-dreams has us be fully responsible and accountable to DO NO HARM to our living-dreams of co-creation.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

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Postby Love For Life » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:44 am

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Von Curtis wrote:Arthur, it is great all the good work you are doing to get out of this bad fairytale/nightmare we have been in for too long. i agree with what you say and are striving for but I find it hard to see how we can do no harm to plants and animals when we must eat to stay alive and healthy.
We look after our beef cattle very well here even though we have had awful droughts ( not by chance I don't believe) , my husband and son are very kind to animals all the time. We do sell them eventually and they do end up as steak , sausages , mince - and many people enjoy those types of food.
I think it is a bit unrealistic to cut out all meat. chicken, fish etc out of our diets and do no harm to anything.
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Hello Von Curtis
No creature with consciousness embodied (warm or cold blooded) has ever given its permission to be killed by MAN, have its consciousness removed by MAN to become dead corpses that are eaten by MAN.

If you believe they do so, then why the hunt, why the traps, why the spears, arrows, boomerangs, guns, knives and other man-made implements of death?

Why doesn't the consciousness of any creature just willingly lay down before you and die???????

Being conscious of our living-dreams has us be fully responsible and accountable to DO NO HARM to our living-dreams of co-creation. Have we not forsaken our responsibilities of co-creation by capturing animals, enclosing animals and then rounding them up and killing them. Where is the co-creation in these acts? Where is the willing co-operation of the animals?

As a 15 year old Arthur worked as an apprentice butcher for 6 months and then in a abattoir for a few weeks until he could no longer stand the suffering of the animals arriving, their stress, trauma and conscious-sense that they were about to die being only too obvious as they tried to get away.

Our beliefs may tell us that its alright to kill animals because we have some god given right to do so but has anyone asked the animals?

ALL beliefs are apparitions that act as demons of possession (possesSION/ZION) that covet the consciousness of MAN so that MAN forgets who he/she really is and what he/she is really part of. ALL beliefs become the distractions that are the shift in focus which cause MAN to fall from consciousness down and down and down into a state of unconsciousness. In a state of unconsciousness a fallen man/woman will do harm and have a series of justifications in place to support the harm doing (destruction/murder/genocide/rape/pillage/plunder/greed/selfishness/power/control/arrogance/ignorance/righteousness etc).

We are meant to eat, drink & breathe the fruits of labour (GIFTS) co-created by the conscious-living creatures (inanimate or not) of creation (GIFTS), of co-creation, without doing harm to the co-creators of their fruits of labour (GIFTS). And we don't meant the offspring of any flesh and blood creature. Both the creators and their creations are GIFTS and we are not meant to do harm to any GIFT of creation. MAN is a conscious-living raw/living food eater who does not cook food or water and who eats berries, fruits, nuts, weeds, vegetables etc that are freshly picked from their food forests/gardens ideally moments before. When we cook/boil/process etc food and water we destroy the GIFTS of creation (enzymes, nutrients etc) they have to offer. Consciousness is the information of creation and when we destroy that living-information (conscious-living DNA), the food becomes lifeless (unconscious strands of dna) and even harmful to us.

Consciousness means MANS eating, drinking and breathing are GIFTS of co-creation that DO NO HARM to the fabric of the conscious-living dream of creation that we are. But when we are unconscious we are doing harm to the conscious-living dream of creation.

Every act of love created by MAN is a thread (a gift) that weaves into the fabric of creation (life), that is a wave that expands the consciousness of creation that WE ARE. Every act of harm-doing unthreads man from the fabric of creation, meaning both MAN and MANS creation are fading away until it has been completely forgotten about (dies).

It's in remembering who we really are and what we are really part of that stops us doing harm to the LIFE of the dream of MAN, otherwise the dream of MAN will be destroyed. Killing creatures without their permission is part of the destruction to the living dream of creation that WE ARE. Only when we start taking full-responsibility for every thought, feeling and action are we able to rescue the dream of MANS creation from utter oblivion.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

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by Von Curtis » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:48 am
One battle at a time and step by step I think Arthur - first we have to survive and wind back the fascist/ communist attack on all of us and survive the weather war on us as The Watcher says on http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthre ... #post27270
'Perhaps NASA can't afford to acknowledge that it cannot go to the moon at all, let alone 'return'. Imagine what would happen if the whole 'civilian exploration' facade of NASA were to crumble, exposing what lies beneath; a military operation aimed at complete control of the earth via satellite technology and space based weapons. The militarisation of space cloaked beneath 'the innate curiosity of mankind'.'
For now , as farmers we will keep looking after our animals to the best of our ability as we have been doing over 24 years here through droughts and floods until this extreme globalisation is turned around.
We would not still be here unless we were hardy and resillient .

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by Lucius » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:18 pm

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Adam wrote:I realise now that I am doing the Truth Movement more harm than good from running this forum and trying to put on events. Because of this I will be leaving TMA in the hands of people who you trust.

I don't know who that is, and because of that I would like you to vote for who should take over TMA.

TMA gets roughly 40 - 60 emails per day that will need to be answered to, I find this hard myself, so if someone wants to volunteer to help the person who takes over this will help.

I've also organised for Jordan Maxwell and Peter Joseph to come out sometime this year, so someone can either take the reigns and run these events, or I will tell them its cancelled. Please let me know asap for their sakes.

A complete revamp of Admins is also possible if you wish.

The site costs around $150 a month to run and you will need to host it, I also use iContact for sending out emails to the database of roughly 2000 truth seekers Australia wide.

For those that understand why I won't keep 'defending' myself, thank you for the good times on this thread, I am happy to still post and contribute to meet ups where possible.

Where to from here for me? I'm going to focus on helping Tomorrows Youth Australia and other fantastic organisations like Lifeline, and focus on become more self sustainable.

Thanks everyone, please post your votes.

Adam.
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A small victory for logic and reason. Lets hope that others follow this example.

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by Lucius » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:20 pm

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jacksomc+ wrote:change, there is one difference between you and Adam, you talk about something, and Adam has acted, he has walked the talk.
If you don't like what's on the site why do you bother with it.

Now why would come out with a spastic retarded comment like that jacksomc? I have a vision you arsehole, I just don't know how to connect with like minded people, that's why I came to this site.
Fu.ck you, you apathetic retard. If every one sat around like you trying to suck Adams cock and saying how he is doing such a wonderful job then this place will surely die.
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by Naomi - 9-11 Truth » Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:11 pm
Just wasted an hour of my life trawling through the Adam in Fancy Dress crap. Big deal.

The only thing parts worth noting are the threat against Adam's sister (maybe worth going to the police) and the quickness that some TMA members turned against Adam on the basis of nothing. Unfortunately there are childish morons on all truther forums.

Adam has my total respect. This website has been a great success in such a short time and the Icke event was fantastic. I have met some awesome truthers through TMA and while I don't post a lot (lost interest after the 911oz v. TMA drama earlier this year) I enjoy this website regularly.

Please reconsider Adam. You would be a great loss to the "Truth Movement" and I say that as a 9/11 Truther and member of 911oz. I know others at 911oz who feel the same.

Thanks to TMA for putting the Icke event on Youtube. Reminded me again of how well run the event was. The filming and audio are perfect. Congratulations!

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by change » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:10 pm

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Naomi - 9-11 Truth wrote:
Thanks to TMA for putting the Icke event on Youtube. Reminded me again of how well run the event was. The filming and audio are perfect. Congratulations! smile/laughter
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I only just realised it is now on youtube, cheers. As much as I think david Icke is a fruit loop, I still find him strangely interesting and valid.The audio and lighting for the show is first rate. The guy pointing the spotlight at David sure had his work cut out for him, David doesn't stop moving!

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by keech » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:02 pm

Adam
Thankyou for the great work you've done in creating this site. I only started visiting it a few months ago and have found so much information of value.

You are an inspirational young man. The forum comments by some at times have been disappointing and there are always those who have no focus except to be petty & sit back and criticize. There is so much action that is required in getting the truth out there and you have been instrumental in taking action with the TMA website.

I too think you should stay with TMA but have someone else moderate the forum. Don't let the critics defeat you. There will always be critics and unfortunately when something negative is said over and over again then some people believe it...you know the saying 'muds sticks'. That's life.
Just stick to your truths & protect yourself spiritually.

The threat made to your sister should definitely be reported.

Websites such as this will attract the sinister types; as well as those seeking truth, peace and awareness.

keech

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by Love For Life » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:28 pm

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Von Curtis wrote:One battle at a time and step by step I think Arthur - first we have to survive and wind back the fascist/ communist attack on all of us and survive the weather war on us as The Watcher says on http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthre ... #post27270
'Perhaps NASA can't afford to acknowledge that it cannot go to the moon at all, let alone 'return'. Imagine what would happen if the whole 'civilian exploration' facade of NASA were to crumble, exposing what lies beneath; a military operation aimed at complete control of the earth via satellite technology and space based weapons. The militarisation of space cloaked beneath 'the innate curiosity of mankind'.'
For now , as farmers we will keep looking after our animals to the best of our ability as we have been doing over 24 years here through droughts and floods until this extreme globalisation is turned around.
We would not still be here unless we were hardy and resillient .
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Hello Von Curtis,
You are right that we cannot do everything at once but all our steps need to be towards a Do No Harm lifestyle. Anything other than a Do No Harm lifestyle is a destructive lifestyle (deathstyle) and a continuation of everything we are dealing with now.

ALL CIVILISATIONS OF COMMERCE ARE APOCALYPTIC BY DESIGN

We have not been vegetarian for long (a couple of years) and became so because we could not escape the fact that eating meat causes harm to animals, many of which go through immense suffering throughout their lives as well as at the time of their death, even though there are also those, like yours, that are well cared for until their execution. Have you ever done some research on what really goes on in abattoirs?

Giving up eating meat (whether cold turkey or gradually) is an easy step towards Do No Harm that anyone can do NOW.

The problem is that most of us have some part of the fiction (fairytale) that we don't really want to give up, even though we can see/feel the destruction it is causing. When we are unwilling to give up the fiction, our intent being to hold onto it and protect it, we are maintaining the destruction. Commerce/Money, lots, plots, ALL belief systems, democracy, constitution, insurance, man-made laws/statutes, race, culture, creed, ALL esoterics and occults, cooked/processed/altered/manipulated/artificial food, water, shelter, energy, transport and education are some of the many deathstyles of fiction we worship.

It all comes down to our intent; if our intent is to move away from doing harm completely, we will find and apply remedy, even though we may still use the fiction along the way as we quickly learn how to live without doing harm. However if our intent is to hold onto some part of the fiction while getting rid of other parts of it, we will never find remedy because ALL fiction is destruction to creation and while we have fiction we have destruction.

The fiction is the beast of the apocalypse and we are maintaining the beast and fuelling the fires of the apocalypse with the energy/power of our creation we put into the beast. Yes, it is going to take some sacrifice from all of us and yes it is going to be painful at times because we are addicted to the fiction, both physically, mentally and psychologically just as surely as a heroin addict is addicted to heroin.

And we don't have much time. With the Establishment increasing the speed of their preparations for global eugenics and the earth (the true body of MAN) preparing to cleanse itself (Earths Fever) if we don't do the job, we don't have time to pick and choose which bit of destruction to maintain and which to give up.

It's time to let go, let go, let go, let go of the fairytale. There is no part of the fairytale we can use to heal another part of the fairytale. Everything of the fairytale is a dead-corpse (a man-made con-struct imagined/invented out-of-thin-air) unable to provide remedy for the living.

Only in the living can we find remedy.

It may seem daunting, but how exciting to have the opportunity to turn the tide of destruction and return the earth (the true body of MAN) to the paradise of KINDOM it was dreamed to be.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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by change » Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:10 pm

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Luv $ life Wrote:
And we don't have much time. With the Establishment increasing the speed of their preparations for global eugenics and the earth (the true body of MAN) preparing to cleanse itself (Earths Fever) if we don't do the job, we don't have time to pick and choose which bit of destruction to maintain and which to give up.
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So the earth is competing with the NWO to see who can wipe out humanity first? Sounds like the planet is out of control and needs to be taught a lesson courtesy of the human race it built to house.

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by Von Curtis » Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:22 pm
ITs going to be a long long long long time before the Asian , Arab, African people etc stop eating a little meat in their diets - they haven't done any large scale harm on earth. By the way I only eat a little meat in my diet. I think a lot of western people could cut back a lot on meat.

First things first - first we have to face up to the BIG LIES that have gone on in the 20th century such as this person said in their comment on http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2009/ ... verywhere/

' This is the point that needs to be made. When you say that we cannot accept the fact that we were duped about WW2 — boy, that is a mouthful of truth. WW2 has been glorified, glamorized, legitimized, and even been made into a symbol of our identity. But cracks are appearing — Buchanen’s popular book (The Unnecessary War)is just one example. It’s a tough nut to crack, but crack it must.'

We were duped then and we still cannot seem to accept that fact today.

'The Nazi era in Germany lasted but 12 years and in that time it was a regime, a movement that was for a brief moment able to win a round in the heavyweight contest between evil and good, and I mean that the Nazis were the “good” guys. The Nazis actually had the audacity to challenge the Zionist beast and made them stagger, go down for the count and taste their own blood. Too bad it was not Herzl, Weizmann or the Warburgs that suffered the blows but their largely innocent brethren who took the blame and the fall. And despite that, they still got their false state of Israel.'

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by change » Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:35 pm
The problem is Von, these new'new-agers believe that the earth is one interconnected life system of which no one creature is above. The honest happy conservative christian approach says that man exists above creation and as such the earth and it's bounty are ours to enjoy. If we feel like cow for dinner then that is ok, the cows were created just for us to turn into hamburgers or pot roasts, there is no moral dilemma. Chicken anyone?...off with the head!

The barbarian eugenicist's job is to convince us that we are just another species on the planet which is a pest and needs to be 'managed' accordingly.

I see a blur between everything we are against and luv4lifes doctrines. I'm not having a go at luv4life BTW, I am just singling out some of his writings which seem quite commonplace these days. He is probably a nice guy.

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by mclmm-2 » Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:20 pm
I've been weaning myself off meat and hope to go mainly vegan in the near future. It's been hard because I love steak, roasts, bacon, and even lips and bums sausages and salami. It's not because I can't bear to see any other sentient creature as a food source - that's part of the natural balance, but rather it was a tactical decision. I hope that you never understand my reasoning. :shock:

Interesting points about WWII Von.

As we all know, history was written by the victors. I hope I don't provoke any sense of outrage here. I have served, and I come from a family with a long tradition of military service dating back to the Sudan campaign of the 1880s. My current career revolves around telling the stories of WWII veterans, including former POWs of the Japanese.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for those Diggers, Pussers and Blue Orchids who put themselves into harm's way fighting the evil that was Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. I just happen to think that WWII was fully orchestrated by TPTB. "Civilised" coalitions versus "pariah" states.

Here's the scenario:

Germany - The Weimar Republic is a shambles. The nazis come along and IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GREAT DEPRESSION, drag their nation kicking and screaming back to economic prosperity. Unfortunately, their leader was a whackjob and his economic ideas pissed off TPTB because it meant they got a smaller slice of the pie. Germany reacts to economic pressures by annexing various parcels of land and soon everyone declares war on everyone else. So how did Germany manage to throw off the yoke of TPTB in the first place? Their whackjob leader was not one of the Elite. Interestingly, he appears to have been aware of the methodologies of the Elite because he started implementing them himself.

Japan - Japan is racist. It thinks that it deserves the resources that the various gaijin are greedily keeping to themselves in their colonies. Japan takes out a big part of China and makes overtures towards the southern areas. Things heat up diplomatically. Countries such as the US try to starve the resource-poor Japanse Islands by cutting off supplies of oil, steel, coal, wheat and rubber. Japan is in danger of becoming an economic backwater and not able to implement its stated aim of developing and ruling the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. Japan was essentially forced into the Pacific War by sanctions. Japan, being a relatively new state in the modern sense has not yet been usurped by TPTB. Japan's leaders were not part of the Elite. In war the Japanese were animals, but I firmly believe they were gently nudged towards their conquest of the Pacific by TPTB, so that they could be destroyed as a military threat.

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by mr_anderson » Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:49 pm

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Love For Life wrote:

Von Curtis wrote:One battle at a time and step by step I think Arthur - first we have to survive and wind back the fascist/ communist attack on all of us and survive the weather war on us as The Watcher says on http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthre ... #post27270
'Perhaps NASA can't afford to acknowledge that it cannot go to the moon at all, let alone 'return'. Imagine what would happen if the whole 'civilian exploration' facade of NASA were to crumble, exposing what lies beneath; a military operation aimed at complete control of the earth via satellite technology and space based weapons. The militarisation of space cloaked beneath 'the innate curiosity of mankind'.'
For now , as farmers we will keep looking after our animals to the best of our ability as we have been doing over 24 years here through droughts and floods until this extreme globalisation is turned around.
We would not still be here unless we were hardy and resillient .
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Hello Von Curtis,
You are right that we cannot do everything at once but all our steps need to be towards a Do No Harm lifestyle. Anything other than a Do No Harm lifestyle is a destructive lifestyle (deathstyle) and a continuation of everything we are dealing with now.

ALL CIVILISATIONS OF COMMERCE ARE APOCALYPTIC BY DESIGN

We have not been vegetarian for long (a couple of years) and became so because we could not escape the fact that eating meat causes harm to animals, many of which go through immense suffering throughout their lives as well as at the time of their death, even though there are also those, like yours, that are well cared for until their execution. Have you ever done some research on what really goes on in abattoirs?

Giving up eating meat (whether cold turkey or gradually) is an easy step towards Do No Harm that anyone can do NOW.

The problem is that most of us have some part of the fiction (fairytale) that we don't really want to give up, even though we can see/feel the destruction it is causing. When we are unwilling to give up the fiction, our intent being to hold onto it and protect it, we are maintaining the destruction. Commerce/Money, lots, plots, ALL belief systems, democracy, constitution, insurance, man-made laws/statutes, race, culture, creed, ALL esoterics and occults, cooked/processed/altered/manipulated/artificial food, water, shelter, energy, transport and education are some of the many deathstyles of fiction we worship.

It all comes down to our intent; if our intent is to move away from doing harm completely, we will find and apply remedy, even though we may still use the fiction along the way as we quickly learn how to live without doing harm. However if our intent is to hold onto some part of the fiction while getting rid of other parts of it, we will never find remedy because ALL fiction is destruction to creation and while we have fiction we have destruction.

The fiction is the beast of the apocalypse and we are maintaining the beast and fuelling the fires of the apocalypse with the energy/power of our creation we put into the beast. Yes, it is going to take some sacrifice from all of us and yes it is going to be painful at times because we are addicted to the fiction, both physically, mentally and psychologically just as surely as a heroin addict is addicted to heroin.

And we don't have much time. With the Establishment increasing the speed of their preparations for global eugenics and the earth (the true body of MAN) preparing to cleanse itself (Earths Fever) if we don't do the job, we don't have time to pick and choose which bit of destruction to maintain and which to give up.

It's time to let go, let go, let go, let go of the fairytale. There is no part of the fairytale we can use to heal another part of the fairytale. Everything of the fairytale is a dead-corpse (a man-made con-struct imagined/invented out-of-thin-air) unable to provide remedy for the living.

Only in the living can we find remedy.

It may seem daunting, but how exciting to have the opportunity to turn the tide of destruction and return the earth (the true body of MAN) to the paradise of KINDOM it was dreamed to be.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
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"Population, consumption, technology, development, and the environment are linked in complex relationships that bear closely on human welfare in the global neighbourhood. Their effective and equitable management calls for a systemic, long-term, global approach guided by the principle of sustainable development, which has been the central lesson from the mounting ecological dangers of recent times. Its universal application is a priority among the tasks of global governance."

- United Nations Our Global Neighborhood 1995

I want to eat meat, have a system of government, capitalism, shelter, energy and transport. However all of those are manipulated to benefit others and that's where people go wrong. They blame the institution rather than seeing the bigger picture that the manipulators are ruining the institution by design to usher in a new form of governance. World Governance, not government, that mandates sustainable development through one child policies, Agenda 21 with 99% of the Earth off-limits to humans, shoved into compact mega-cities with a strict diet with no meat and we're all taught 'we are one'.

Just need to take one look at the Venus project... (rolling eyes)

mr anderson

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by Von Curtis » Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:05 pm
'The honest happy conservative christian approach says that man exists above creation and as such the earth and it's bounty are ours to enjoy'
I must be a bit like that with my old presbyterian upbringing sitting in church bored to tears, giggling up the back but some of it must have got in.
Its all very interesting and I don't know whether we are above creation - I love creation so I am happy to be a part of it.
I don't want to work in an abbatoir , my husband went through one once and he said he would find it very depressing if he had to work there.
Should we be breeding animals when most of them do end up at the abbatoir , I don't know but we are not just going to stop right now as there is definitely a big attack on the Australian beef industry to wipe it out instantly.
That stupid add they run on SBS about cows killing the planet is stupid and boring. I believe that big flood up north that killed a huge number of cattle may have been done by weather warfare.
We will get the LIES sorted out first and kill this global governance vile idea first and then we will decide whether we should have meat in out diet.

Brzezinski recently said “there is a massive global political awakening that is interfering with our plans”

A better world dawns – be sure.

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/%e2%80%9cnazis%e2%80%9d-her...

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by Von Curtis » Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:19 pm
There have been so many lies about Germany and Japan mclmm-2 it is hard to tell if your scenarios are close to the truth , they may be right I don't know - all I know is what we have been taught at school and in the media about WW1 and 2 is not right as are the corporate wars in Iraq and the Taliban and Al Queda , and the false flags and terrorism not right.

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by change » Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:30 pm

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mr_anderson wrote:
"Population, consumption, technology, development, and the environment are linked in complex relationships that bear closely on human welfare in the global neighbourhood. Their effective and equitable management calls for a systemic, long-term, global approach guided by the principle of sustainable development, which has been the central lesson from the mounting ecological dangers of recent times. Its universal application is a priority among the tasks of global governance."

- United Nations Our Global Neighborhood 1995

I want to eat meat, have a system of government, capitalism, shelter, energy and transport. However all of those are manipulated to benefit others and that's where people go wrong. They blame the institution rather than seeing the bigger picture that the manipulators are ruining the institution by design to usher in a new form of governance. World Governance, not government, that mandates sustainable development through one child policies, Agenda 21 with 99% of the Earth off-limits to humans, shoved into compact mega-cities with a strict diet with no meat and we're all taught 'we are one'.

Just need to take one look at the Venus project...
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oooooh yuck! the venus project! "oh but living in those collectivist Fresco Prisons would be so liberating"...hahahahah :lol: :lol: :lol:

I concur with you mr.anderson...our infrastructure and way of life is fundamentally sound, we just need to weed out the mongrels who have hijacked the system. To use a really cliche it is 'like throwing the baby out with the bathwater'.
By the way, I'm so bored of that disgusting word 'sustainable', it has no place in this world bar a UN climate change propaganda meeting, the mods here should ban members on the spot for using the word IMRO.

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by Von Curtis » Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:13 pm
Yeah talk about HI-JACKED - the ABC TV and radio , SBS ,the rest of TV/radio , The Australian and the rest of newspapers , agricultural and farm organisations , the green movement WWF etc , religions , all political parties , much of big buisness . that's just a few and there's more .........

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by Soxism » Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:39 pm
Just Read this Whole Thread, VERY sad to hear, this Site Has so much potential, and if i could afford to take over the Hosting, I Would, Plain n simple.

I dissapear for two weeks, and a shit storm has occurred.

The Sad thing is, that, when truth is told, Its always going to be the truth, groups of people dont like that and resort to tactics like Smear, and Threats.

But Good thing is, More people are being coming aware of the Truth, Day by Day, and you can never Hide the Truth forever.

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by mynameisnobody » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:54 pm
Hi Adam.

Don’t know how this came about, just wanted to say, stick with it, don’t leave. I know exactly how you feel having had my family threatened about two years ago. It shakes you up bad and cuts you to the bone but most times threats are nothing more than nasty words.

It will most likely pass uneventful.

A few have written that you should go to the police. I did when my family where threatened. This much I can tell you. THE POLICE ARE USELESS! They will do nothing. They will tell you they can’t do anything till something happened.

So don’t waste your time.

What ever you decide God be with you.

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by mr_anderson » Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:53 pm

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mynameisnobody wrote:Hi Adam.

Don’t know how this came about, just wanted to say, stick with it, don’t leave. I know exactly how you feel having had my family threatened about two years ago. It shakes you up bad and cuts you to the bone but most times threats are nothing more than nasty words.

It will most likely pass uneventful.

A few have written that you should go to the police. I did when my family where threatened. This much I can tell you. THE POLICE ARE USELESS! They will do nothing. They will tell you they can’t do anything till something happened.

So don’t waste your time.

What ever you decide God be with you.
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Well it's by a case by case basis so I would go the Police for any threats against life, it's kinda of a crime. :|

Adam, let us know what the Police say.

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by Love For Life » Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:41 pm

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mr_anderson wrote:

Love For Life wrote:

Von Curtis wrote:One battle at a time and step by step I think Arthur - first we have to survive and wind back the fascist/ communist attack on all of us and survive the weather war on us as The Watcher says on http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthre ... #post27270
'Perhaps NASA can't afford to acknowledge that it cannot go to the moon at all, let alone 'return'. Imagine what would happen if the whole 'civilian exploration' facade of NASA were to crumble, exposing what lies beneath; a military operation aimed at complete control of the earth via satellite technology and space based weapons. The militarisation of space cloaked beneath 'the innate curiosity of mankind'.'
For now , as farmers we will keep looking after our animals to the best of our ability as we have been doing over 24 years here through droughts and floods until this extreme globalisation is turned around.
We would not still be here unless we were hardy and resillient .
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Hello Von Curtis,
You are right that we cannot do everything at once but all our steps need to be towards a Do No Harm lifestyle. Anything other than a Do No Harm lifestyle is a destructive lifestyle (deathstyle) and a continuation of everything we are dealing with now.

ALL CIVILISATIONS OF COMMERCE ARE APOCALYPTIC BY DESIGN

We have not been vegetarian for long (a couple of years) and became so because we could not escape the fact that eating meat causes harm to animals, many of which go through immense suffering throughout their lives as well as at the time of their death, even though there are also those, like yours, that are well cared for until their execution. Have you ever done some research on what really goes on in abattoirs?

Giving up eating meat (whether cold turkey or gradually) is an easy step towards Do No Harm that anyone can do NOW.

The problem is that most of us have some part of the fiction (fairytale) that we don't really want to give up, even though we can see/feel the destruction it is causing. When we are unwilling to give up the fiction, our intent being to hold onto it and protect it, we are maintaining the destruction. Commerce/Money, lots, plots, ALL belief systems, democracy, constitution, insurance, man-made laws/statutes, race, culture, creed, ALL esoterics and occults, cooked/processed/altered/manipulated/artificial food, water, shelter, energy, transport and education are some of the many deathstyles of fiction we worship.

It all comes down to our intent; if our intent is to move away from doing harm completely, we will find and apply remedy, even though we may still use the fiction along the way as we quickly learn how to live without doing harm. However if our intent is to hold onto some part of the fiction while getting rid of other parts of it, we will never find remedy because ALL fiction is destruction to creation and while we have fiction we have destruction.

The fiction is the beast of the apocalypse and we are maintaining the beast and fuelling the fires of the apocalypse with the energy/power of our creation we put into the beast. Yes, it is going to take some sacrifice from all of us and yes it is going to be painful at times because we are addicted to the fiction, both physically, mentally and psychologically just as surely as a heroin addict is addicted to heroin.

And we don't have much time. With the Establishment increasing the speed of their preparations for global eugenics and the earth (the true body of MAN) preparing to cleanse itself (Earths Fever) if we don't do the job, we don't have time to pick and choose which bit of destruction to maintain and which to give up.

It's time to let go, let go, let go, let go of the fairytale. There is no part of the fairytale we can use to heal another part of the fairytale. Everything of the fairytale is a dead-corpse (a man-made con-struct imagined/invented out-of-thin-air) unable to provide remedy for the living.

Only in the living can we find remedy.

It may seem daunting, but how exciting to have the opportunity to turn the tide of destruction and return the earth (the true body of MAN) to the paradise of KINDOM it was dreamed to be.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
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"Population, consumption, technology, development, and the environment are linked in complex relationships that bear closely on human welfare in the global neighbourhood. Their effective and equitable management calls for a systemic, long-term, global approach guided by the principle of sustainable development, which has been the central lesson from the mounting ecological dangers of recent times. Its universal application is a priority among the tasks of global governance."

- United Nations Our Global Neighborhood 1995

I want to eat meat, have a system of government, capitalism, shelter, energy and transport. However all of those are manipulated to benefit others and that's where people go wrong. They blame the institution rather than seeing the bigger picture that the manipulators are ruining the institution by design to usher in a new form of governance. World Governance, not government, that mandates sustainable development through one child policies, Agenda 21 with 99% of the Earth off-limits to humans, shoved into compact mega-cities with a strict diet with no meat and we're all taught 'we are one'.

Just need to take one look at the Venus project... :roll:
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Von Curtis wrote:'The honest happy conservative christian approach says that man exists above creation and as such the earth and it's bounty are ours to enjoy'
I must be a bit like that with my old presbyterian upbringing sitting in church bored to tears, giggling up the back but some of it must have got in.
Its all very interesting and I don't know whether we are above creation - I love creation so I am happy to be a part of it.
I don't want to work in an abbatoir , my husband went through one once and he said he would find it very depressing if he had to work there.
Should we be breeding animals when most of them do end up at the abbatoir , I don't know but we are not just going to stop right now as there is definitely a big attack on the Australian beef industry to wipe it out instantly.
That stupid add they run on SBS about cows killing the planet is stupid and boring. I believe that big flood up north that killed a huge number of cattle may have been done by weather warfare.
We will get the LIES sorted out first and kill this global governance vile idea first and then we will decide whether we should have meat in out diet.

Brzezinski recently said “there is a massive global political awakening that is interfering with our plans”

A better world dawns – be sure.

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/%e2%80%9cnazis%e2%80%9d-her...
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We poison the water and we feel it.
We poison the air and we feel it.
We poison the soil and we feel it.
We destroy the forests, the rivers, the mountains, the seas, the atmosphere etc and we feel it.
We witness the death of animals and we feel it.

And if we didn't have senses to feel the experiences we would have no sense, no comprehension of what we are part of and therefore would not know who we really are. The suffering we feel with the Earth and MAN is the suffering we are experiencing with our true body of life. Why else are men, women and children fighting to clean the water, air, soil, food, atmosphere etc??????? Why else do we feel we need to save the EARTH and MAN?????

We feel (experience) the suffering of the Earth because its our body. We are not separate from it. We are not apart from the experiences of suffering, instead we have a direct-relationship with the experiences of suffering, engaged and activated by our senses of creation (life) sight, sound, touch, taste, feel smell/scent.

We have been brainwashed/braindirtied by man-made (freemasonic) knowledge/education that operates as a conveyor-belt running through factory planet earth, designed to train us to focus on (believe in/worship) images (con-structs of the Rules Of The Divide dressed up as science, astronomy, astrology etc, all imagined/invented out-of-thin-air) that are not of creation (life-reality-consciousness) and we are trained to place these fictitious ideas on to any life-form of creation, inanimate or not, to tell us how we must think and feel about them.

Instead of observing a flower (1st party to 1st party) allowing the plant to share all the information (consciousness) of its creation (life) to expand our consciousness (our true connections with life) which tells and helps us to remember who we really are and what we are really part of, we block out (blunt) what the flower is telling us, therefore we become estranged from life (reality) and without the sense of belonging from our awareness of our links with creation (consciousness), we are unconscious of creation, instead relying on the man-made knowledge we are braindirtied with to tell us who we are and how to think, feel and behave, which also tell us what we are part of.

When we are no longer in a state of consciousness we can do harm to life (to reality) because we can shut out the suffering we are causing. Once we no longer feel the connection with creation we can kill it - chop down the tree because it is just one of ten trees rather than a unique tree of trees filled with life force energy. Only when we are estranged from the animals can we kill them. We have become a SELF and our SELFish needs, desires and wants override everything else. Our taste buds demand meat so we kill a cow, happy in our deluded belief that we are higher than them and so can do what we want with them. Sounds rather like how the Establishment think of us!

We worship the fairytales at the cost of creation.

When we put our energy into these images we harm creation because these images have nothing to offer creation (life), nothing to give back. They have no life (consciousness) embodied and require that we cause destruction to the body of the earth to give them some physical/material semblance of life. Unable to maintain the fictitious physical/material images they also require our (MANS) energy/power of creation which takes us away from our real families, homes, tribes/villages/communities and gardens while we prop up these dead-corpse-fictions (do the walking, talking, thinking, feeling, contemplation, reasoning, negotiations, contracting, acting, pushing paper, pressing keyboards etc) and think we are satisfied with the megre "rewards" we get back. This is why many today feel they are strangers in society, particularly with family. Loneliness, unhappiness, isolation and suicide are rapidly on the increase.

As we spend all our time on the images of fiction, of the fairytale that is the western world civilisation of commerce, we become numb to the harm being done to creation, lulled by a thousand and one stories of fantasy, illusion, delusion and fiction that tell us its "o.k." and "normal" to destroy that which sustains us. It's o.k. to use 2400 litres of water to produce 1 beefburger (about 150g of beef), even though this is totally unsustainable.

The Rules of the Divide keep us believing we are separate from one another and the earth, that we are tiny isolated/individuals (in-divide-u-alls) of the universe at the effect of greater forces around us like stars & planets which determine our destiny/what happens to us. That we are all heading from somewhere and heading to somewhere, through time and space, meaning that we do not have to take full-responsibility here and now for all the harm we are causing and supporting and that its all ok because Jesus is coming back and the faithful will all be saved or the Galactic Federation will beam us up if necessary, or that a 6 million Asian triad is on standby to protect us, or that a white-brotherhood of man is working behind the scenes in our best interests, etc etc, This is all part of the freemasonic deception to keep us being sheeple, sitting on the fence passing the buck on to others (all 3rd parties) who are taking care of everything for us.

We have a penchant for surviving fairytales at the cost of life, of reality. The freedom/truth movement is full of fairytales just as the freeman and new age movement are as well, and all together with religions, esoterics and occultic practices, they keep us numb, unconscious and distracted from recognising REMEDY and applying it.

I don't like the expression that "we are all one" - I prefer to say that we are all unique aspects of creation (of consciousness) and we all have the full-responsibility to care for the creation of the dream of MAN & EARTH we are part of HERE AND NOW. How we can care for something whilst doing it harm, I don't know. That seems to me a bit like saying you are caring for your child when you are beating it and feeding it coca-cola and Maccas!

Consumption really means destruction and the con-structs of meat-eating, cooking-food/water, government/governance, rule of law/courts of law, private corporations, statutes, commerce, economics, banking, finance, insurance, debt/credit/loans/mortgages/overdrafts/bonds/bills, concrete, steel, plastic, synthetics, Hollywood, soap operas, TV, internet, telecommunications, technology etc, etc, ARE THE LIVING/FACTUAL EVIDENCE OF DESTRUCTION/CONSUMPTION of MAN & EARTH.

If an image you focus on cannot be found anywhere in creation and has no substance (life-consciousness-reality) to back-it/embody it, you can be sure that the time you spend putting your energy/power of creation into it is the time you spend acting in a fairytale consuming (destroying) MAN & EARTH.

Anything of creation will show you its part in creation and how it aids creation in rolling along here and now. If you cannot see how the image you are focusing on aids creation in rolling along then it has no part of creation and can only cause destruction to creation. Ask yourself if MAN and the EARTH would fade away and die if the image you are focusing on didn't exist. If they wouldn't, then the image you are focusing on is doing nothing for MAN or creation and you need to walk away from it and start focusing your energy on an image of creation.

If you look at the ideas you are supporting, you will see how entwined they are with the fiction and if they are entwined with fiction, they are causing destruction and you are lost in the fairytale, the true matrix.

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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by Love For Life » Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:54 am

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Luv $ life Wrote:
And we don't have much time. With the Establishment increasing the speed of their preparations for global eugenics and the earth (the true body of MAN) preparing to cleanse itself (Earths Fever) if we don't do the job, we don't have time to pick and choose which bit of destruction to maintain and which to give up.
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So the earth is competing with the NWO to see who can wipe out humanity first? Sounds like the planet is out of control and needs to be taught a lesson courtesy of the human race it built to house.
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Just as our body has a fever when we do harm to it so does the earth. Creation (nature) is perfection and whenever we drift away from perfection there is a natural pull back to order (to harmony) to maintain the natural order of this living dream (nature), so that the natural dream of MAN & EARTH does not fade away and die.

This pull is CONSCIOUSNESS, so when we drift away from consciousness (doing no harm - remembering who we really are and what we are part of) to unconsciousness (doing harm - forgetting who we really are and what we are part of), there is a natural pull back towards consciousness. This is the true meaning of love - love is acts of consciousness healing the unconscious and expanding consciousness until there is nowhere left for unconsciousness (darkness - forgetting who we are and what we are part of) to hide.

All sickness and disease reflects destruction to the natural harmony of nature (our body is nature) and the fever kicks in (the pull back to consciousness) to heal the damage done, to transmute the chaos (the unconsciousness) of toxicity, poisons, chemicals, negative/destructive thoughts, feelings and actions etc.

We were not meant to tamper with natural conscious-living DNA (the threads that form the fabric of this living dream) but we do when our thoughts, feelings and actions are impure and insincere. We were meant to expand the consciousness (the information) of living DNA, not to manipulate it, cook it, dissect it, corrupt it, lie about it, distort it, superimpose it, disguise it, process it etc etc.

And what are some of the symptoms of this feverish pull back to harmony, back to nature????? Sweating (heavy rain for weeks on end), shaking/trembling (earthquakes appearing all over the earth, many in unexpected places, the earth moving), vomit (lava), heavy bowel motions/diarrhea (volcanoes exploding, lands rising up & down, up to 4000 foot tidal waves rolling inland up to 400 miles in some locations), farting (300+ mph winds, cyclones, storms, tornadoes, hurricanes coming and going for weeks on end), drowsiness/vagueness (volcanic dust and particles in the atmosphere blocking out the sun, in some places up to 12 months), etc etc.

MAN creates the fever because the EARTH is MANS body. Those who love the earth are attracting the pull back to nature (back to consciousness) because they love the dream of creation and do not want it to fade away (be forgotten about) and die.

Those who are lost, the unconscious who have forgotten they are part of the dream, are doing harm through their impure, insincere thoughts, feelings and actions (the lust for power and control, greed, selfishness, arrogance, ignorance, fear, lies, deception, collusion, corruption, loneliness, despair, unhappiness, joylessness, uncertainty, directionless, powerlessness, manipulation, jealousy, envy, ridicule, abuse, hatred, intolerance, unfairness, sabotage, fiction, fantasy, illusion, delusion, etc, etc.....).

We have been so brainwashed by the man made education that has come out of sacred geometry, mathematics and ALL read and write alphabet languages, that we have become lost in the freemasonic matrix of their Rules Of The Divide (the con-structs - the structures of the con) and cannot make sense of what is really going on.

The reality is that what we focus on is what we create. If we have a relationship and we put lots of loving energy into that relationship, it will flourish and blossom. If we do not put energy into it it will fade away and die. If we want to live in a world of peace, freedom and harmony, this is what we have to put our energy into, to focus on. If MAN stops loving this dream of MAN & EARTH the sun will fade away and die. If we are distracted for whatever reason and forget our relationships, our relationships fade away and die just as the sun will if we forget the relationship we have with it (with this dream/life/creation).

MANS brain is like a film projector; images (thoughts, ideas, feelings, actions) are scanned across the lens and we focus on those images, projecting them out into the cinema of life where they either do harm or expand consciousness. Whatever we have chosen to focus on then comes bouncing back at us from the canvass (the cinema of life) in the image of our projection (CREATION). All relationships good and bad, strong and weak, are created this way.

We are creation; we are not going to or coming from creation and everything we think, feel and do has an effect on creation here and now. Either we are putting our loving energy into nurturing and co-creating with creation or we are focusing on everything that does harm to creation. When we do this we are destroying creation (our relationships - our dreams).

We are each responsible for creating the conscious living MAN that we are creating but most of us have forgotten this and are instead creating dead corpses (hu-mans) that have no connection to the dream of creation. This reflects the fading away of the living dream that is creation. The Earth's fever is MANS fever.

While some of us still love and focus on this dream, the earth will have its fever and millions of the lost will be consumed as the dream continues to live. If none of us loved the dream of creation, we would all just continue our deathstyle lives of destruction until there was nothing left of the EARTH and MAN to sustain us. The dream of creation would have died (completely forgotten about).

Under our present circumstances, as we awaken to the true nightmare of our situation, we all have a choice; keep putting our energy into any of the con-structs of the Western World Civilisation of Commerce that have us do harm, including commerce, the government, the law, the freedom truth movement, New Age, all esoterics and occults, every course and career, degree and title coming out of University, or we can focus all our energy/power of creation on the living dream of creation, growing food, weaning ourselves off all our harmful habits and working with creation rather than against it.

We are all brothers and sisters of MAN, all the creatures are our brothers and sisters as well and all together we co-create the dream of EARTH. We are not separate from each other, instead we are each uniquely entwined and interconnected as the fabric of the conscious-living dream of creation that rolls along here and now. It is the intent behind the acts of love we create for the living dream that form the fabric of the dream. We are all responsible for this living dream. Lets remember who we really are and our responsibilities to what we are part of. The living threads of the dream are created, nurtured, maintained and expanded by the purity and sincerity behind everything we feel, think and do. What a tragedy it will be if we all forget and loosen our threads from the fabric of creation until it completely frays away to dust.

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

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Its Basically A Plan By Those In Power To Depopulate The Earth

"Its basically a plan by those in power to depopulate the earth by at least 80% and gain complete control over the future. Its been going for more than 100 years. The world hasn't become so messy by mistake. I'm not just someone that's got carried away with silly internet conspiracies, millions all over the world are now awake to this and its growing everyday. A lot of you reading this MUST all ready know of this, its hard to miss among our side of society, so many are crying out to get the people to listen."

ALTHOUGH I agree with you that this world is in shambles, I don't see how you can justify your statement that "the people on top" are trying to gain control of the future by depopulating the earth. None of the people on top have enough time to think about stuff like this. I will watch the youtube video you posted and come back. I find this theory fascinating but am not sure I can sign on to it - but hey, who knows maybe more info will open my mind.

Dan

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Kindom (Do No Harm Communities) is the dream for freedom, but it is the dream for the freedom of those around us who also live the dream of freedom, because it is in living for the freedom of others that we get our freedom. When we live for the dreams of Kindom of those around us, we live life as a gift because we live for (dedicate our lives to) their dream of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, just as they live for our Kindom dreams too. This is true co-creation (cooperation) with no attack on the uniqueness of each of us. When we live this way, we have no need for any man-made system - everything/everyone has already been taken care of by our love for life.

Just as we do not have to jump 10 feet across the room to grab our next breath, neither do we have to worry about food, water and shelter because it has all been taken care of as we each co-create Kindoms/Kin-Domains for everyone. Now everybody and everything of the dream of life that is Kindom/Paradise is free (has been set free once again). The issue is greed and selfishness, power and control trips, arrogance, ignorance, being fed many many lies and being traumatised. The issue is not overpopulation - there is more than enough land available for every family to have a hectare (2.5 acres Kin-Domain) to care for. The land of Australia can provide a Kin-Domain for every family across Earth, each with a food forest, clean fresh drinking water and plenty of space for building natural do no harm habitats and with plenty of land left over.

Everyone must have the freedom to take full-responsibility for their lives, for the water they drink, the food they eat and for their shelter. Currently, "The System" forces everyone to give up taking full-responsibility so that we become grown up children accustomed to sucking on the nipples of "The System" corporations for everything, having to use money to get by and to follow the rules of money because we are not co-creating freedom, peace, truth, joy and abundance for each other. Money only leads to haves and have nots and all the abuse, manipulation and distractions that we are subjected to as slaves to money.

When we give up living for other's Kindom dreams, we start creating hell ("The System") all around us because we become self-centred - now it's all about "my freedom","my money", "my land", "my belief", "my saviour", "mine", "mine","mine", "i","i", "i", "own", "own", "own", etc. To protect what we claim we own requires a man-made system with FORCE to protect those self-centred claims. This is ALL trauma based and all story-telling (brainwashing/braindirtying).

NO SYSTEM = KINDOM/DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES
NO SYSTEM = KINDOM/DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES photo Kindom_zpsa6d24e8a.jpg

Our true freedom comes when we set our thoughts of freedom into motion so that we live freedom rather than just talking and thinking about it while we still slave for "The System". Kindom will not happen while we meditate for hours in the bush or do yoga retreats or wait for Jesus or follow the processes of the OPPT (One People's Public Trust now called One People). This is not freedom because we are not living freedom because we are living the story-telling of Jesus or Zeitgeist or The Secret or Thrive or One Earth/Consciousness/People.

Living Kindom is very, very hard work as we set about repairing the damage to MAN/Earth/Nature that we are ALL responsible for but the burden becomes lighter the more of us put our life-energy into the dream of returning Earth to Paradise. Day-after-day, we all have to work our arses off until Kindom is all around us (MAN) once again. This is the price we pay to set each other free on a piece of land (Kin-Domain), so that no one is under the image-power (education/brainwashing/story-telling) of another MAN anymore and so that everyone can have their space of love to create and live their unique, do no harm dreams. This only happens once we have the Kindoms set up so that everyone is provided for.

Once we re-create the food forests, whether on land or in the suburbs, we can re-claim our freedom, breaking the strangle-hold of "The System" because we are no longer reliant on its services and benefits and no longer turning each other into slaves of "The System", cogs in the wheels of "The System" machine. If we don't put the effort in to set everyone and everything free all around us then we still live in HELL ("The System"). The key is to live for everyone else's freedom so that we can have it too.

From Bare Dirt To Abundance
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

We live for NO SYSTEM. We do not lose anything by not having a man-made system and, in fact, we gain. We gain our freedom and we gain abundance. Let go of the fear.

The Cristian Family November 2006

A Collection Of Various Love For Life Posts
Providing The Big Picture We See

Sequential Order

We ask you to NOT believe anything we say/share and instead use scrutiny like an intense blow torch and go where the logic of truth/sense takes you. This is very, very important. Put everything you believe up to the test of scrutiny to see how it stacks up. If you are true to your heart/senses and go where the logic of truth/sense takes you will find that NO belief, etc, will stand up to the test of scrutiny. They just do not stack up because they are lies/fraud.

After you have watched and read all the material and any questions are left unanswered, send us your landline number and we will use the internet phone as a free unlimited call. We are on Sydney NSW Australia time. Best times for us to chat are between 11.00am and 6.00pm.

It is critical that you fully comprehend Image Power, "Spelling", Trauma, Reaction To Trauma, Curses, Processing Curses, Full-Responsibility/Liability, Limited Liability/Responsibility (passing-the-back), Slavery, Senses/Sense vs Non-Sense/Senses, Re-Presenting Intellectual Property such as but not limited to "Name", Storytelling/Storytellers, Duality, Black-Magic, Belief, Lies, "i", All Seeing "i" (eye), etc..... These themes and others are covered over and over and over again.

If you do not comprehend these insights and are unable to use your senses to sense your way through all the non-sense/non-sensory-images that enslave MAN under their image power (darkness = "The System" = Hell), men and women will remain deeply trapped under a terrible state of trauma. Our intention is to inspire you to remedy by showing you how to move away from reacting to trauma in all its nefarious and devious forms.

His-Story/Her-Story (History)
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
2005-2007 - Re-posted July 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8529

The Dream Of Life Part 6
Under The Spell Of Intellectual Property

Arthur Cristian - 51 Minutes 52 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMK7CkU1ih8

The "Name" Is The Mark Of The Beast
The Strawman Identifying
Your Slave Status In "The System"

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
5th February 2012 - 56 Minutes 25 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdOag66v7uo

IMAGE POWER
The Nefarious Tactics Used
To Disguise Truth And Distract Us
From Remedy

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
24th January 2014
This post contains many recent Facebook comments
and email replies which collectively provides a big picture
into exposing the deception behind IMAGE POWER.
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8496

The Pull Of E-Motion
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
8th February 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8499

IMAGE POWER
Superb Diamond Range Interviewing
Arthur & Fiona Cristian 4th February 2014
http://youtu.be/qFnuuw3kLog
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8501

Trauma Induced Fantasy
July 2013 Interview With
Jeanice Barcelo And Arthur & Fiona Cristian
http://youtu.be/CZVj-ddUoZw
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8500

Processing Curses
A Lie Is A Curse
Liars Process Curses

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
26th February 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8503

How The System Is Really Constructed
Bouncing Back Curses Upon Curse Makers
To Stop Harm Forevermore

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
27th February 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8504

Slave To A Name
Parts One, Two, Three, Four,
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd to 6th March 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8505

Educated Slaves
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
20th March 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8506

The Only Path To Freedom
Beware The False Steps

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 2nd April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8508

Free-Dumb For All
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 5th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8510

Revoking The Ego
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 8th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8511

How MAN Commits Spiritual Suicide
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life - 3rd April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8509

How To Detect Intel Operatives Working
For The New World Order Agenda
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 10th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8512

How The Psyop Program & Intel Networks
Are Messing With Your Head +
His-Story/Her-Story

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8513

Godzilla Through The Looking Glass
Destroyed By Name"

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 20th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8514

What It's Going To Take
To Co-Create Freedom Forevermore

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 22nd April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8514

Falling For Fairy Stories
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 24th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8514

A Disassociation From The Work
Of Kate of Gaia

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 17th May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8517

Separating The Wheat From The Chaff
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 22nd May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8516

Revolution Or Revolution
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 25th May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8520

Routing Out Psyop Programs
Routs Out Intel Operatives
Exposing Max Igan's Psyop Program

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 31st May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8524

The Psyop Program Scam
Behind Religion Belief Faith
& Associated Opinion

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
11th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8525

Another Delusion
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
11th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8526

A World Of Words Is A World Of Lies
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
13th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8527

E-MAN
The Name Of The Beast Is MAN

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 9th May 2014
Includes Mountain MAN Arrested
Facebook Discussion About "Name"
Uploaded 25th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8528

Crop Circles Are A Massive Hoax
Facebook Discussion On Simon Kawai's Wall
Involving Arthur & Fiona Cristian
31st August 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8470

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
27th February 2013 onwards...
Part One: http://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao
Part Two: http://youtu.be/tbybeOWZ-Bc
Part Three: http://youtu.be/yOWoxH-HbVw

Water Is The Life Of MANS Consciousness (Breath)
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 8th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8350
Part One: http://youtu.be/4ze66_33wxM - 70 Minutes 5 Seconds
Part Two: http://youtu.be/43gIi-sjxJc - 81 Minutes 13 Seconds
Part Three: http://youtu.be/oooY6W63K-M - 70 Minutes 18 Seconds

What Do You Believe On Origins?
Who Said There Was A Beginning?
Who's Truth Do You Accept?
Belief Is A Strange Idea.

Discussion Lyndell, Scott and Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Between March and April 2013
Posted 29th October 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8487

So You Want The Good Bits Of "The System"
But Not The Bad Bits?

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 12th August 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8468

Turning Away From The Reflection
Of MANS Looking Glass

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
30th April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8404

REMEDY

From Bare Dirt To Abundance
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Divine Spark
Facebook Discussion With Raymond Karczewski
Arthur & Fiona Cristian & Others
2nd October 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8483

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

The Steps Of Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life 2006/2007
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

To explore these themes in greater detail go here where you can find links to all our Love For Life comments, articles, debates, discussions, videos, podcasts, etc: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Website: http://loveforlife.com.au
Email : action@loveforlife.com.au
Mobile : 0011 61 418 203204 - (0418 203204)
Snail Mail: PO Box 1320 Bowral 2576 NSW Australia
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Register To The Love For Life Mailing List: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/09/05/14/mailing-list

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Links below will kick in when the professionally recorded Love For Life music is released.

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Peaceful Transition Through Sacrifice And Service

We feel there is an essential peaceful do no harm transition required to get all of MAN back to standing on MANS feet without reliance upon another MAN for water, food, shelter. As it stands everyone in "The System" are highly dependent and reliant on the "group mind-set" that forms "The System" of slaves providing services and benefits for the emotionally addicted slaves to "The System" (and you can put us in the same basket too). The transition is to get MAN back to relying ONLY on nature without 3rd party interlopers, intermeddlers, interceders getting in the way. The transition is a team effort with the foresight for setting all of MAN free down-the-line so that MAN is no longer dependent on slaves and masters providing services, benefits, privileges and exclusivity while being bound to contracts, rituals, procedures, conditions, rules & regulations which compromises MAN severely.

This transition is all about shifting from limited liability/responsibility to full liability/responsibility. This full responsibility is all about caring for our health, nature all around us, clean uncorrupted (pure) water and food, partner/co-creator, children, shelter, animal-friends in partnership, etc. In "The System", we are already together destroying each other - we have to come together to create peace together so that we can all have peace. We cannot live peacefully when we are islands, not taking full responsibility for the lives of those around us until EVERYONE can take full responsibility for their life, which means that EVERYONE is healed of system trauma. In "The System", we all come together to make slaves of each other - now is the moment to come together to set each other free, to live for each other's freedom, peace, joy and abundance. Once we have set each other free, we are free.

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

"The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

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Once we fix these issues, we or our children or our descendants to come, can start focusing on the even bigger picture of getting back to where our ancestors were, as breatharyan's, before they fell into non-sense images to be enslaved by them.

All the best to you and your family
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Cristian Family Declaration

The Cristian family and The Love for Life Campaign are apolitical, non-religious, non-violent, anti weapons, anti drugs (both pharmaceutical and recreational) and anti any ideology that denies the existence of Do No Harm Communities (Kindoms) and suppresses the uniqueness and freedom of all men, women and children.

The Cristian family and our Love For Life work is unaligned to any big business corporation, intelligence agency, government body, "system" law, "system" think tanks, "system" green or environmental movements, religion, cult, sect, society (fraternity, brotherhood, sisterhood, order, club, etc,) secret or not, hidden agenda, law or sovereignty group, occult, esoteric, New Age or Old Age.

The Cristian family supports and promotes the remedy that brings an everlasting peace, freedom, truth, joy, abundance and do no harm for all of life without causing loss of uniqueness or the need for having slaves and rulers. We are not into following the one in front or being shepherds for sheeple. Most importantly, we take full-responsibility for everything we think, feel and do.

The Cristian family are not Christians.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

December 2006

The Cristian Family November 2006

THE CRISTIAN FAMILY PLEDGE

Being of clear brain, heart and intention, we each declare the following to be true:

• We have no intention of ending our own lives.

• We will not tolerate suppression of truth, ideas, freedom, or our work. We stand for freedom of speech.

• We stand together to support others in the expression of truths and freedom to speak out no matter how radical those ideas may seem.

• Standing for freedom takes courage; together we shall be strong in the face of all odds.

• If it is ever claimed that we have committed suicide, encountered an unfortunate accident, died of sickness/disease, disappeared, been institutionalized, or sold out financially or in any other way to self-interested factions, we declare those claims false and fabricated.

• We testify, assert and affirm without reservation, on behalf of all those who have dedicated their lives to the ending of secrecy and the promotion of freedom of thought, ideas and expression that we shall prevail.

• We Do Not Have Multiple Personality Disorders

Arthur Cristian
Fiona Cristian
Jasmin Lily Cristian
Emma Rose Cristian
Frances Hannah Cristian
Xanthe Jane Cristian

15th December 2006 (Edited/Updated 18th September 2011)

The Cristian Family November 2006

Update Regarding The Love For Life
Home Page And Quick User Guide

We are turning the Love for Life Quick User Guide http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 into a blog of all the main insights of our work since March 2005, whether through articles, videos, podcasts or discussions/debates.

As we do not have the time to compile everything we have written into a book, as many have suggested we do, compiling all our most important work into one area of the website is a way of providing easy access to this work so those interested are able to fully comprehend the big picture.

Instead of having to find our different articles, videos, etc, in various parts of the website, it will all be accessible here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385.

Love For Life Videos

As amateurs and posted in the Quick User Guide below the Facebook links, we're currently creating and posting a series of videos called "The Dream Of Life" which covers the ground of all the Love For Life insights. We plan to have the videos completed by December 31st 2012. Once this is behind us, our intention is to create a 2 hour or so video covering the body of this work. All videos are embedded in the quick user guide http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 and uploaded in Arthur's YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ArthurLoveForLife.

Love For Life Music

We have started recording songs, with others, that express the themes of Love For Life. They are now being posted on Arthur's YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ArthurLoveForLife and are embedded in the quick user guide http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608. We have over 100 songs to record. A few rough demos have already been used as the soundtrack on the first "Dream of Life" video.

About Us - Love For Life & The Cristian Family

Also, everything we, the Cristian family, have gone through, from bank fraud and the theft of the family home to death threats and attempts on Arthur's life, is documented in the Quick User Guide too. If you, the reader, are prepared to put the effort in, you will comprehend the extent to which we have all been tricked into becoming slaves, giving up our uniqueness and our full-responsibility for life and destroying everything of life to the point where life is in danger of dying out completely. You will also comprehend the remedy to all this chaos; a remedy that requires only love for life and the determination to do what needs to be done. Though our focus is very strongly on the remedy that creates a world of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance and Do No Harm for all of life without loss of uniqueness or the need for slaves and rulers, we realise that it is vital to comprehend how to get there and what stops us from getting there. This is why there is so much information on the hows and whys of everything going wrong in the world today. We are not into peddling conspiracy theories, we are into routing out all forms of organised crime.

Saturday 26th November 2011

Arthur and Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Website: http://loveforlife.com.au
Email: action@loveforlife.com.au
Mobile: 0011 61 418 203204 - (0418 203204)
Facebook Arthur Cristian: http://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian
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Twitter: https://twitter.com/loveforlifemusi
Facebook Music: http://www.facebook.com/loveforlifemusic
Facebook Why Aren't We Free Discussion: http://www.facebook.com/164918753537287
Facebook Do No Harm Community: http://www.facebook.com/151811728195925
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Google + Fiona Cristian: https://plus.google.com/100490175160871610090
Register To The Love For Life Mailing List: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/09/05/14/mailing-list

1. For The Body Of The Love For Life Work by Arthur and Fiona Cristian

Which Unravels The Reasons For The Chaos, Mayhem and Confusion Being Experienced In The World Today, Explains The Need For "Community Immunity" and Responsibility, and Focuses On The Creation Of Kindoms - Do No Harm, Life-Sustainable Communities (As The Remedy That Heals All Mans Woes) - And How We Can Co-Create Them. For Comments, Articles And Discussions, Go Here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - Also Go Here To See Podcasts And Videos Posted by Arthur & Fiona Cristian: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7309 - The Information Shared Comes From Inspiration, Intuition, Heartfelt-Logic And Information Gathered From Nature And Many Amazing Men And Women Along The Way. It Is Not Found In Any Books Or Channellings, Or Talked About By "Experts". Go Here To Read A Brief Synopsis Of Why We Started Love For Life: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8182

2. For Information About The Ringing Cedars of Russia Series

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1125 and for more on Eco Homes, Villages, Organic and Permaculture Gardening and Life-Sustainability, etc, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3641 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1985 and Mikhail Petrovich Shchetinin - Kin's School - Lycee School at Tekos: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5173

3. For How To Eat A Raw, Living Food Diet,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5068 - LIFE is information. When we distort LIFE and then eat, drink, absorb, think, feel, hear, see, touch, taste, smell and perform these distortions, the information of LIFE, your LIFE, our LIFE, our children's lives, everyone's LIFE, is distorted.

4. To Find A Menu For The Extensive Research Library (over 8,000 items posted embodying over 11,000 documents, pdf's, videos, podcasts, etc)

Which Covers Topics From Health to Chemtrails/Haarp to Brain Control to Archaeology to Astronomy Geocentricity Heliocentricity to Pandemics Bird Flu Swine Flu to Fluoride to Cancer to Free Energy to Global Warming, 9/11, Bali Bombings, Aspartame, MSG, Vaccinations, Aids/HIV, Mercury, New World Order, Satanism, Religions, Cults, Sects, Symbolism, etc, etc, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/82

5. If You Would Like To Read About The Cristian Family NSW Supreme Court Case

(Macquarie Bank/Perpetual Limited Bank Fraud Condoned By Judges, Registrars, Barristers, Lawyers, Politicians, Public Servants, Bureaucrats, Big Business and Media Representatives - A Crime Syndicate/Terrorist Organisation) Which Prompted The Creation Of This Love For Life Website December 2006, And The Shooting And Torture Of Supporters Who Assisted Us In Reclaiming The Family Home, Joe Bryant And His Wife, Both In Their Late 70's, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5 And Read Some Of Our Email Correspondence With Lawyer Paul Kean - Macedone Christie Willis Solari Partners - Miranda Sydney May 17th-June 27th 2006: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7300

6. For The Stories Of Other Victims Of The System,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/australian_stories (If you have a story you would like us to put up, we would love to here from you:
action @ loveforlife.com.au)

7. For Documentation Of Harm Done By The Powers-That-Be And Their Representatives,

Evidence Revealing How Victims Did Not Break The Peace, Caused No Crime or Harm, There Were No Injured Parties. Documenting Incontrovertible Evidence Demonstrating How The Powers That Be (PTB) And Their Lackeys Will Break All The Laws They Are Supposed To Uphold. They Will Kidnap, Intimidate, Terrorise, Rape, Pillage, Plunder And Lie And Take Responsibility For None Of It. All Part Of Their Tactics Of Using Fear And Trauma To Keep Us In Our Place. Relatives Of Those Under Their Radar Are Also Not Safe From Attack And Intimidation. All Starting From A $25 Fine For Not Voting And A $65 Fine For Not Changing A Dog Registration. We Do Not Have Freedom And Can Only Appear To Have Freedom If We Comply. Regardless How Small The Matter The PTB Throw Hundreds Of Thousands Of Dollars Away To Enforce Their Will.... Go Here:
Fiona Cristian Reply To State Debt Recovery Office - Part One to Part Ten - From 17th October 2008 And Still Continuing:
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6319 or
Fiona Cristian Reply To State Debt Recovery Office
Part One: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5742 - From 17th October 2008
Part Two: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6135 - From 18th December 2008
Part Three: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6295 - From 9th January 2009
Part Four: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6296 - From 14th January 2009
Part Five: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6375 - The Sick Puppy - From 20th February 2009
Part Six: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6390 - Police Officers, Sheriff’s Officers, Tow Truck Driver and State Debt Recovery Office Blatantly Ignore the Law To Rape, Pillage and Plunder The Private Property Of Fiona Cristian - From 11th March 2009
Part Seven: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6445 - Affidavit Of Truth - Letter To The Queen + Australia: Fascism is Corporatism - From 30th March 2009
Part Eight: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6652 - The Pirates Auction And The Ghost Of VSL386 - From 4th April 2009
Part Nine: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7073 - Arthur Cristian's Letter To Pru Goward MP - From 15th December 2009
Part Ten: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7500 - Should We Be In Fear Of Those Who Claim To Protect Us? "Roman Cult" Canon Law - Ecclesiastical Deed Poll - The Work Of Frank O'Collins - From 13th October 2010

8. If You Are Interested In Information On Freedom From Statutes, Rule-Of-Law, Free Man/Free Woman, Strawman, "Person" and Admiralty Law (The Law Of Commerce),

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/895 - For Common Law, Democracy, Constitution, Trial By Jury, Fee Simple, etc, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/category/main/law-articles-documents

9. If You Are Interested In Banking and Money Created (Fiat/Credit/Debt/Mortgage/Loan/Overdraft etc) Out-Of-Thin-Air, How Banks Counterfeit Money,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/banks

10. For A List Of All The Latest Posts In The Love For Life Website,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/tracker

11. For Links To Many Hundreds Of Videos, DVDs And Podcasts

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/video_dvd

12. To See The Cristian Family Pledge, Legal and other Disclaimers

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/06/12/05/love-life-legal-disclaimer

13. To Read About How A Representative Of The NSW Jewish Board Of Deputies Had Threatened To Shut Down The Love For Life Website

go here: Part One: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6616 Part Two: THE STEVE JOHNSON REPORT AND VIDEO: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6665 and Part Three: Latest Update On James Von Brunn: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6673

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Love For Life
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ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER

THE CRISTIAN FAMILY SUPPORTS
FREEDOM OF SPEECH - FREEDOM OF THOUGHT

Note: Updated Wednesday 17th June 2009 8.00pm Sydney Time.

Love For Life does not support harm doing in any shape or form. However, we are supporters of free speech so we post articles, documentaries, etc, that represent a wide cross section of ideas. See the Love For Life extensive research library where there are over 11,000 individual documents, articles, videos, podcasts and debates/discussions are posted: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/82. We clearly see the evidence of the destruction to MAN and Earth that has been caused by ALL religions over the centuries and are therefore not supporters of religions, cults, sects or any group that demands conformity of thought, speech or action, or has rules, regulations or rituals that must be followed. Religions, nationalities and cultural "identities" are formed as a result of the brainwashing we receive from childhood. They are part of the tactics the Establishment uses to keep us all divided from one another and fighting one another.

All religions promote discrimination and division, leading to hatred and even violence and murder. None of them have yet to produce a remedy to all the suffering, poverty, unhappiness and discrimination in the world. If any religion truly had the remedy to all the suffering on earth, there would no longer be any suffering. What have Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, atheism and the New Age done to end the suffering in the world?

Freedom Of Speech - Freedom Of Thought

Since December 2006, there have been many attempts to take down the Love For Life website. Any attempts have been thwarted by Love For Life supporters inundating the harm-doers with emails, etc, objecting to them taking down the website for a variety of reasons. The trouble makers usually back off when they realise that they can post all their views, arguments, beliefs, etc, in the Love For Life website without censorship or restriction imposed. They get to see that even the Queen, Pope, Prime Minister, President of America, etc, can post all their views without hindrance or sabotage and that we support freedom of speech/thought which means we support the right of all sides to express their views.

Of note, there is a vast amount of information posted in the Love For Life website which we do not agree with but we leave it all up because we refuse to be biased, opinionated or self-centered/self-serving. Of the many thousands of comments posted over the years we have only removed posts containing secret links to commercial advertisements, terrible foul language, threats of violence and death, etc, and attacks on other people's characters that avoid the subject/debate at hand. Besides links to advertisements, we have taken down less than six comments due to the above. We usually leave everything up, all warts and all, even those posts threatening to do terrible things to Fiona, our children, our dogs, our friends, family & supporters, etc.

The Love For Life website has information from all sides on many subjects, whether about Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Law, health, psychology, mind control, vaccination, aspartame, MSG, Chemtrails etc. There are over 11,000 individual articles, documentaries, podcasts, etc on the website and they are so diverse that we are sure that everyone would be able to find something they loved and something they hated, if they took the time to search. If we removed all the articles hated by everyone, there would probably be nothing left! We are not anti anyone but freedom of speech is freedom of speech and no one should condemn the work of another without taking the time to research the subject themselves. Yes, there are articles by those who have a less-than-rosy-viewpoint of Judaism, but there are also articles on the dark side of Tibetan Buddhism (and it is very dark) for those who are interested in the truth: Tibet - Buddhism - Dalai Lama: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6271 Should the authors of these articles be abused and imprisoned for daring to challenge the widely conceived reputation of Buddhism as being the religion of peace and love and that of the Dalai Lama as a saint, or should those interested be allowed to study the work and come to their own conclusions? The same applies to all the articles, documentaries, etc, about Christianity, Islam, Freemasonry, New World Order, etc.

The Love for Life website also shows how the Rule of Law, the Bar, the Government, the Monarchy, the system of commerce, the local, national and multi/trans-national private corporations, all the courses and careers on offer from our universities, all the educators, scientists, academics and experts, the aristocrats and the Establishment bloodlines have also done NOTHING to end the suffering in the world. The website maps the insanity of a world where there is no help for those in need, just as there was no help available for us when we were victims of terrible bank fraud: http://loveforlife.com.au/court_case orchestrated, condoned and protected by an international crime syndicate/terrorist organisation of judges, barristers, registrars, lawyers, politicians, banksters, big business representatives, media moguls and other lackeys who, all together, put up a wall of silence despite our trying many, many avenues. After the family home was stolen and business destroyed we were left close to poverty and destitution caring for 4 young daughters. Three years later not much has changed regardless of all our efforts. Where were all the followers of all the religions to help us? Or do we have to be members of those religions to receive help from others involved in them?

We have been accused of being anti - Jewish because we had posted an excerpt from James von Brun's book: Kill the Best Gentiles! http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6054 in which he blames Jews for the problems of the world. Obviously this is not our view because of what we have stated above. We do not hate anyone, whatever religion they follow. We are always open to talk to any religious leader or politician and meet with any judge, member of the Bar, experts, academics, educators etc to share the remedy we offer that heals all the divisions between MAN and MAN, and MAN and EARTH.

Today, a representative of the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies is threatening to close the website down, because they have decided it is anti - Jewish and that we promote racism. What has the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies done to end the suffering in the world? Can they show that they are concerned with the suffering of ALL men, women and children AND ARE SEEN TO BE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT or are they only concerned with Jewish affairs? If so, they, along with all the other religions that only care for their own, are part of the problem, not part of the solution. The man who rang Arthur today was only concerned with Jewish affairs; he was not interested in our intentions or in anybody else, just as most Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Catholics, etc, are only interested in their own. While we separate our lives into groups, dividing our lives from others with rules, regulations, rituals, procedures, conditions and contracts, we will never solve our problems.

No matter what we in the Western World Civilisation of Commerce have been promised by our politicians, religious leaders, scientists, educators, philosophers, etc, for the past two hundred years, all we have seen is ever-increasing destruction of men, women and children and Earth. None of the so-called experts and leaders we have been taught to rely on are coming up with a solution and none of them are taking full-responsibility for the fact that they can't handle the problem. All religious books talk about end times full of destruction and suffering but why do we have to follow this program when there is an alternative to hatred, mayhem and death? Why are our leaders following the program of destruction and death rather than exploring the do no harm alternatives? It seems that any mainstream politician, priest or academic are only interested in supporting the RULES OF THE DIVIDE, that maintain the haves and the have nots. For 200+ years, 99% of the world population have been so trained to pass on their responsibility for their lives, others and Earth, that the 1% of the population that make up the leaders of the rest of us are making all the decisions leading to the destruction of all of us and Earth. Let's not forget the education system that brainwashes the 99% of the population that we are free and have equal rights while, in fact, we are feathering the nests of those at the top.

At the root of all our problems is self-centredness, an unwillingness nurtured by the Establishment that keeps us concerned only with our own needs rather than the needs of others around us and Earth. Instead of creating and releasing acts of love for those around us as gifts to benefit them and Earth, we take, take and take, until there is nothing left. The whole point of the Love for Life website is to show people the root of all our problems and to share the remedy. The extensive research library is there to attract browsers and to provide access to information not available through mainstream channels. If the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies can, after careful examination of our work, prove that anything we are saying is wrong, we will be happy to accept their proof. If they cannot, and they are still insistent on closing the website down, they will be showing themselves to be traitors to MAN because they are not interested in pursuing any avenue that can end the suffering in the world.

All religions, corporations and organisations that support and maintain the Western World Civilisation of Commerce are part of the problem because our civilisation is a world of haves and have nots, exclusivity, privilege, racism, violence, hatred, poverty, sickness, discrimination, abuse, starvation, homelessness, corruption, collusion, vindictiveness, social unrest, arrogance, ignorance, fear, war and chaos. While we support civilisation, we support death and destruction.

If we truly want peace and freedom for all, we have to let go of all that which keeps us divided, and come together as MAN, conscious living co-creators of creation/life. The Love For Life website offers a remedy to the problems we all face in the form of DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES (KINDOMS): http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 - http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3641 For more details see here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - We also highly recommend that everyone read the brilliant Russian books called The Ringing Cedars: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1125 - The Love For Life homepage/front-page also provides lots of inspiring remedy based information: http://loveforlife.com.au - If you want to be kept up to date with our work please register to the Love For Life mailing list here: http://loveforlife.com.au/campaign_list We usually send two postings per month. Presently (September 2011) there are over 7000 registrations reaching over 500,000 readers across Earth. The website now (September 2011) receives up to 12 million hits per month. Since December 2006, over 100 million people have visited the Love For Life website.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur and Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
17th June 2009

The Cristian Family November 2006

Clarification Regarding Our Intentions
Behind The Use Of Donations

The Love For Life website is offered for free without a fee and without any conditions attached. If people are inspired to donate money, then we accept their gift and have provided an avenue for them to support the work we do through Fiona's Paypal or ANZ bank account http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8515. There is no obligation whatsoever to donate and all are equally welcome to our work and to our "time", whether they donate or not. Over the last 9 years, all the Love For Life work has been put out for free and it has often been donations from supporters that have enabled us to renew the domain name, etc, to keep the website going. While some complain that we have an avenue for donations, others complained when we didn't! Either use it or don't - the choice is yours.

Since Love For Life started March 2005 and website December 2006, Arthur has worked 16 hours a day, 7 days a week unpaid for much of this period, putting together the website and sharing insights to wake people up to what has been done to them, whether through the 11,500+ individual articles, videos, podcasts, debates, discussions, pdf's, research documents, etc, found amongst the 8,500+ posts, as well as helping many, many men and women over the phone, and through email, website correspondence, Facebook and YouTube, and creating the Love For Life food forest vege garden and Love For Life music recording studio. This is our life is a gift commitment to serve MAN/Nature/Earth but we are still severely compromised by "The System" and still have to give to Caesar what is claimed to belong to Caesar, which is where the donations help us.

Fiona & Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
21st July 2014