Love for Life

Here are a few of many emails between Mike (Moderator for Acharya S Yahoo Superconsciousness Group), Kenn Thomas (Steamshovel Press), Acharya S And Other Supporters Of Acharya S.

17th July 2007

Nick
Did you pick up on what Acharya is saying here, if she said it?

Arabs/Muslims did 9/11.

What do you think?

I have heaps of 9/11 videos & articles in our website and all the latest evidence points to Full On Govt Cover up.

Watch these videos, particularly the 2nd one on the list below.

9/11- 9/11 Ripple Effect - Full Length Film - 1 Hour 26 Minutes
http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/1006

9/11 - September Clues - Did A 2nd Plane Hit WTC2 Or Was It A Missile Covered Up By Graphics?
You Decide What It Is. June 6th 07
http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/911

9/11 - VIDEO; 9/11 Explosive Reality - Network TV coverage.
Testimony & Commentary On September 11 2001 - Excellent
http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/849

DOZENS of live video references to the multiple internal explosions
that brought down the Twin Tower and World Trade Center 7
http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/728

Arthur Cristian

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acharya_s@yahoo.com wrote:

"Just [as] alcoholics or drug addicts must acknowledge that they have an addiction problem, we Muslims need to accept that there is a problem within our communities. Only when Muslims admit that 9/11 and 7/7 were the work of Muslim terrorists can we move forward to the next juncture: which is recognising the hard truth that Islam does permit the use of violence. Muslims who deny this, preferring instead to mouth easy platitudes about how Islam is nothing but a religion of peace, make the job easier for the radicals who can point to passages in the Koran, set down in black and white, that instruct on the killing of unbelievers."

Hallelujah! (Irony.)

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23rd July 2007

Mike

We have more than a dozen excellent 9/11 videos in our website, that focus on the wide range of explosions reported by hundreds/thousands of people. All these explosions were mainly coming from around the basement and up to the 60th floors. A few explosions were reported as high as the 70th/78th floors. How do you explain these explosions occurring before and after the two planes/missiles hit these buildings with ALL explosions reported on floors, well below where the planes/missiles hit?

That's right, there is now heaps of evidence revealing missiles.

Oh...... no way, our private corporation US government could not do this....... but yes.......a few Arabs could pull this off and time it perfectly when Norad was off line and be able to fly these huge jets.

How convenient.

Find yourself at least half a day Mike and watch these videos: http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/86

After hundreds of hours spent researching 9/11 since early 2002 and with the mountains of solid evidence at hand http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/86, I can say without any doubt whatsoever that NO Arabs were involved with the planning of 9/11, with the hijacking of all 9/11 planes, with the flying of any 9/11 planes and with the overall manning of the operation as it was happening.

Whatever evidence that might have been found with the WTC demolition operations centre, was destroyed when WTC 7 was demolished by explosives. In your way of thinking Mike, WTC 7, a 40+ story building was ONLY wired up with explosives, to PULL IT, during the day of 9/11 but only after the planes hit WTC1 & WTC2 because there would be no other reason to pull it. Are you 100% sure that this would have happened while all the mayhem was going on next door?

How did the BBC and Mayor Rudolph Giuliani know that WTC7 was collapsing at least 20 minutes before it happened?

What about all those WTC7 workers/rescue workers warning heaps of people to get out of the way because WTC7 was about to collapse?

Please explain Mike?

Since Sept 11 2001, The FBI, even until today have never listed Osama Bin Laden as a suspect with 9/11. When asked, the FBI says they have no evidence. If you don't believe me, Ring the FBI yourself or check their website. What goes on here Mike?

Then we have your Patriots Act, an 800+ page document that suddenly appears out of nowhere and is brought into action almost overnight after Sept 11 2001. How did this happen? Who prepared it? Who in your government knew about it before 9/11? Could the staff of George Bush create this 800+ document from scratch within 48 hours of 9/11 and have it passed through congress? Besides the loss of freedom forced upon most American citizens, have any private corporation/multi/transnational private corporations been effected in any way by the Patriots Act?

If you say yes, show me the evidence.

Who benefited long-term from 9/11, The US citizens? The Australian citizens? The Canadian Citizens? The New Zealand citizens? The British Citizens? The European citizens? The Asian citizens? The Middle Eastern citizens? or private corporation/multi/transnational private corporations?

Who benefited Mike?

Then you have one of George Bush Junior's favourite bonking partners Condoleezza Rice saying in Nov/Dec 2001 that her government has lots of unarguable evidence tying Arabs/Al Qaeda with 9/11 and later on the same statement was made with Iraq and WMD.

Where is this evidence Condoleezza? We are all still waiting 5 to 6 years later?

Oh its just a coincidence that George Bush Junior's brother was in control of the overall security operations of WTC1 and WTC2. Oh that's just a coincidence. And what about the various days when the two buildings were shut down during 2001, prior 9/11. Are you aware of this? Are you also aware that ONLY private corporations are/were involved with the day to day operations of WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7. No good old American public servants were/are involved.

Are you also aware of the use of remote control/wireless detonations of buildings these days that do not require miles of interlinking wires to set of all the explosives?

There are numerous other facts which I could state but I do not want to spoil the important exercise that your brain requires if you work your way through all the 9/11 video's and articles in our website.

You are one of the moderators for over 500 Superconsciousness members Mike and you often have a caustic tongue with those you wish to attack. In your last reply to Fiona and I, you called us liars. We now ask you to prove to Fiona and I and all members of Superconsciousness that we are liars. Show us the unarguable evidence that you have that we are liars. If you can't, then you are to be seen as the liar, a 70+ year old arrogant ex-policeman who only talks around things for the sake of attacking ones character without ever addressing the facts, the logic, the evidence at hand.

Also, You are wrong Acharya in saying that Muslim/Arabs were involved with 9/11. Where is this unarguable evidence you have Acharya to back this up? If you don't have this unarguable evidence why are you accusing Muslims/Arabs?

Arthur Cristian

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m c wrote:
Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they are not out to get you.

It looked that way, but the logistics of such a demolition would be impossible. In terms of tons, how much explosives would it require to drop a building the size of the twin towers? What would you attached them to that would be out of sight? Would you have to dig through the concrete to attach them to the beams? And nobody saw a thing?

Mike

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m c wrote: The problem is, you are doing the same thing with your

mumbo jumbo (that is: "unintelligible or incomprehensible language or gibberish that engages
language or activity intended to confuse, complicate or produce some obscure ritual."

What I perceive is that one indoctrination deserves another. It's the pot calling the kettle black
syndrome. There is no prejudice quite so complete as the one you convince yourself of. If one lies and repeats the lie over time and if it goes unchallenged, it tends to become truth to the teller.

Mike

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acharya_s@yahoo.com wrote:

"Just [as] alcoholics or drug addicts must acknowledge that they have an addiction problem, we Muslims need to accept that there is a problem within our communities. Only when Muslims admit that 9/11 and 7/7 were the work of Muslim terrorists can we move forward to the next juncture: which is recognising the hard truth that Islam does permit the use of violence.

Muslims who deny this, preferring instead to mouth easy platitudes about how Islam is nothing but a religion of peace, make the job easier for the radicals who can point to passages in the Koran, set down in black and white, that instruct on the killing of unbelievers.
Hallelujah! (Irony.)

Acharya S

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24th July 2007

Mike said:
July 24th 4.58am

m c wrote: This is not a new debate here. I've already seen and heard to many if's, and's or but's about the WTC.

Did you check out what would happen with a natural gas explosion and what it do with an acclerant like jet fuel?

There are no mountains of evidence... there are mountains of speculation. The possibility of a collapse of the WTC was a simple precaution. We always evacuated people from buildings on fire because the possibility of full involment and collapse has to be treated as immenant. Imagine what would have happened and the loss of life if the people were allowed to stay or took their time getting out.

Wouldn't it be just as plausible that if there were bombs planted they they were planted by Islamic terrorists. Why the automatic assumption that our own people did such a thing unless it fits your own agenda?

Over 17 Arabs have been proven to have participated in the bombings and one of the ring leaders, a man who had entered the United Stares on an Iraqi passport under the name of Ramzi Yousef--was involved in another stupendous bombing conspiracy. In January 1995, Yousef and his associates plotted to blow up eleven U.S. commercial aircraft in one spectacular day of terrorist rage. The bombs were to be made of a liquid explosive designed to pass through airport metal detectors. But while mixing his chemical brew in a Manila apartment, Yousef started a fire. He was forced to flee, leaving behind a computer that contained the information that led to his arrest a month later in Pakistan. Among the items found in his possession was a letter threatening Filipino interests if a comrade held in custody were not released. It claimed the "ability to make and use chemicals and poisonous gas... for use against vital institutions and residential populations and the sources of drinking water." http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iraq/956-tni.htm

In a 2004 video, apparently acknowledging responsibility for the attacks, bin Laden states that he was motivated by the 1982 Lebanon War, for which he held the U.S. partially responsible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_tapes

I admit to being caustic... and even worse but I try my damdest not to attack anyone personally given a preferance of dealing with the issue instead. In my nearly 10 years on this list, I do not recall ever having called anyone a liar... show me where I did.

Mike

querier2003 @ yahoo.com

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Mike

ONE. The evidence, where you implied that we are liars is located near the bottom of this email.

TWO: Would you like for me to forward to you all the emails you sent us and Superconsciousness where you have tried to discredit us by trying to write off/destroy our personalities/characters. Where you tried very hard to shoot the messenger?

THREE: We have not received a reply from Acharya regarding the question we asked yesterday for her to answer? Are you her mouthpiece Mike regarding Muslims/Arabs and 9/11? (Those questions to Acharya are near bottom of this email.)

FOUR. Take a look at this video. Anybody with any doubts about how the World Trade Centre towers were brought down need only view this short video to dispel those doubts. Called the 9/11 Meteor for reaching temperatures like the one at the earth's core, compressed at least four levels of the WTC. NBC's head Brian Williams presented "9/11 5 Years Later - Hangar 17." The iron structures were carefully selected and marked with the word "SAVE," other compromising structures were destroyed. All the material preserved there is less than 1% of the complete crime scene, evidence rapidly sold to China by the pesky cover-upper Giuliani. However, that "9/11 meteor" still is a living witness of the very advanced technology used to pull down the attacks and the buildings at the World Trade Centre (WTC2, WTC1 and WTC7.)

Here is a link to an excerpt of this broadcast - 1 minute 37 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzOuyin_2as

Are you still sure that Muslims with smuggled plastic explosives did this? And if they did, then how did they go about bringing the buildings down just like a pancake?

And what about the dozens of recorded conversations with the fireman, some who reached level 78 of the South Tower just before it collapsed. They reported explosions going off below and above them and that there was no high temperature fires raging in the building? How do you explain this?

Are you saying that you have watched all the 9/11 videos listed in our website?

Here is just one of the latest called 9/11 Ripple Effect - Full Length Film - 1 Hour 26 Minutes - http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/1006

Have you seen this video?

Or this one: 9/11 Explosive Reality - Network TV coverage. Testimony & Commentary On September 11 2001 - Excellent 12 parts - 2 hours: http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/849

Or this one: DOZENS of live video references to the multiple internal explosions that brought down the Twin Tower and World Trade Center 7: http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/728

How about this one: September Clues - Did A 2nd Plane Hit WTC2 Or Was It A Missile Covered Up By Graphics?

You Decide What It Is. June 6th 2007 - http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/911 This video will stretch your imagination.

Have you seen this one?

Or This One: Webster Tarpley - The 9/11 Issue - How to stop World War III - Video - 2 Hours
http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/952

Or this one: 911 And The British Broadcasting Conspiracy - Documentary By Adrian Connock and David Shayler - 1 Hour 21 Min 25th June 2007: http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/868

How about this one: 9/11: Disappearing Explosions - Now you hear it, now you don't - Video Brasscheck TV http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/646

Or this one: Keep Your Eye On That Building, It'll Be Coming Down Soon - Building Number 7 + Many Other 9/11 Videos http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/596

Mike

Why have you intentionally avoided answering each one of the 9/11 questions I have presented to you?

Are they too difficult for you?

If not, then please answer each one of them and if you are going to rebut them, then I want to see solid gold unarguable facts/evidence to back up your rebuttal.

My questions to you and Acharya are cut and pasted below.

You also said in another email: "I agree. But most of this conspiracy theory stuff has already been rebutted."

What a load of rubbish Mike.

Where is the unarguable evidence that an impartial jury of twelve have rebutted all the evidence?

Also, How did the women get to stand at the entrance to the WTC gaping hole made by one of the 9/11 planes/missiles?

How did she & others manage to avoid (get around) the "government's official version" of intense, very high temperature fires causing WTC1 and WTC2 buildings to collapse with a pancake effect?

Red hot pools of molten steel were still simmering away many weeks later after 9/11.

How did this happen?

Why were numerous WTC steel support frames found with MAN-MADE angle cuts on them, most with molten steel running down the sides, within 8 hours after both buildings collapsed?

Also, where is the unarguable evidence that proves 17 Arabs did it?

In terms of your belief in the "Rule Of Law", Have any impartial jury of twelve been involved and said YES Arab's/Muslim's are guilty?

Where is the unarguable evidence that clearly proves that Osama Bin Laden admits that he was behind 9/11?

The only supposed evidence your government ever came up with was the recorded video of Osama Bin laden admitting that he was involved with 9/11. The only problem with this video is that it was not Osama Bin Laden in the video. Are you aware of this? Have you seen this video? There is no other evidence that your government has which they could file in court and say "here is the unarguable proof".

Mike said this: It is a truism that you tend to become like those with whom you associate. "The most noticeable change in the modern high-rise construction is a trend to using more steel and shaping lightweight steel into tubes, curves, and angles to increase its load bearing capability. The WTC has tubular steel bearing walls, fluted corrugated steel flooring and bent bar steel truss floor supports." http://www.lafire.com/famous_fires/2001-0911_WTC/2002-0500_LA-Firefighte...

And This: So little do you know. I, very rarely, had any dealings with those in power. When I did, it was usually confrontational. I was a beat cop. My criminal dealings were with rapists, drug dealers, and lower echelon mobsters. I ran radar a couple of times and all I did was issue warnings... no tickets. I have delivered babies, administered first aid and fought fires. I secured crime scenes and did some investigative and research work. I was a dispatcher and provided security dignitaries. I was a licensed EMT, certified fire-fighter and police officer. The streets were my beat. I have saved lives and helped people all my life. Before you go making assumptions and casting aspersions about people, it would behoove you to get to know them. Otherwise, you prove your self a fool.

He also said this: I am open to all scenarios... but my take on a thing is and will always be: "I am from Missouri, you must show me." You do not arrest people on theory and that is what I am hearing in these debates. Further, anytime I hear someone go personal when asked to show cause, it shows me just how simplistic one must be to be unable to rise above themselves. It only stands to reason that if one criticizes, it stands to reason that they should have something in mind to replace it. Without solutions, a criticism is worthless.

And this: The problem is that more engineers, by far, have come forward with logical explanations than those that have promoted an agenda of conspiracy. It boils down to who you want to believe and that is a matter of ones own agenda.

And this: I'm not like that, I simply do not accept what is dished out... just because it fits some nebulous preconceived ideas about things. Without proof, it's all vapors and wind.

And this: I was born armed... besides, I am a weapon.

And this: Thank you, you make my point. As for making things better, I am pro constitution as the way to address most social issues. It's when things get off track that we become mired. We have the tools to create a society right here. What is needed is the heart for it.

And this: Nice try, but no cigar. We need the detractors in a free society. It keeps everyone on their toes and thinking about the political process. But by a like token, if that is a path chosen, then it too must be willing to face its detractors when they are asked to show cause without an emotional rebuttal on how they feel about it.

And this: I agree with this too... There's nothing wrong with patriotism, except that it does not interfere with the rule of law.

And this: What you have said here has nothing to do with what I said. We enjoy more freedom than just about any country in the world. If you think you can find one better, why don't you try living there. Talk is cheap.

And this: On the other hand, the image to which I refered was the one you see in the mirror. To often it is a mental picture of something not real or present or something believed not real.

And this: On the other hand it could have just as easily happened the way it was seen by millions of people who watched it on tv as it transpired. Conspiracy theory seeks to explain a matter as a plot by a secret group or alliance rather than an individual or isolated act.Very often it is the fodder of the paranoid.

And this: We are no different from any other life form... we still react to existence from the same instinctual basis that any other life form does. Instinct is the basis of intelligence. Instinct in humans has advanced intelligence in that it provides memory of yesterday that allows adjustment for tomorrow's possibility and it allows us to relay that information among ourselves so that all may share in that information. This advancement allows us to adjust to nature even while we are living and providing an edge over other life forms which must rely on genetic changes of an extended period of time. Ignorance comes in many forms.

We are what we know and hold true. Ignorance can be a lack of knowledge and it can also be a rejection of it to hold true to what it has already accepted as what it needs to survive. Belief takes up where knowledge leaves off. Belief is like a genetic adjustment to change... sometimes it can take many generations to make alterations to a consistent demand on it before it can finally make the proper adjustment to the change being pressured on it.

Believe is not the same as know. Belief has disbelief to counter it whereas, we cannot dis-know, we may be ignorant of fact and we may refute fact... demanding it show cause, where what we feel is exempt from such a process. One can make all manner of claims in the name of belief and find some who may agree and have faith in same but when the physicality of existence is presented, most will acknowledge it as so... where belief has no need of observable fact. Its concerns are feelings expressed and accepted as a fact. The physical exists and can be proven while what we feel, no matter how devoutly believed, does not exist and cannot present fact in its support. Belief takes up where fact leaves off.

With belief there is nothing to demonstrate to the senses. It exists within us as emotion or thought... and is an experience exclusive to ourselves. Belief can only be experienced within the individual. Like love, hate, and fear... no one can know exactly what our experience of them is like.

Facts can be known by the mind through the senses and are unlike imagination, illusion or fantasy where sensory experience can be shared and known by others via their own direct experience of them. Human beings tend to allow belief to create a mental construct that is accepted on faith which lives within its own reality in importance, even to obsessiveness, even while treated as fact.

These are constructs of emotional needs, desires, interests and reasons in which humans are driven to fulfill and live by. Belief is an emotional response to existence. Emotion is a process that readies us to take action as a spur to behavior that produces bodily sensations, injects hormones and increases heart rate that result from events, cognition and the physiology of brain and body working in concert.

Beliefs answer emotional need, desire, doubt, fear, insecurity, dissatisfaction, indecision, social pressure, et al. Faith cannot replace them because when facts are doubted, they can be justified through methods of verification where faith cannot. Belief answers doubt with faith and assumes itself as fact while disregarding its motivation. Beliefs can then become beyond doubt. Belief is proactive, it is a prepared response where emotion is a spur to action and decision without need for thought or consideration. It can be as shaping to a life as to commit and bind it by non questioning and obedience to external sources, in a freedom from personal responsibility even though external influences may not have that life's welfare in mind. Belief attributes a name and face to our fears and that which is not known but is felt.

Children believe easily... Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy are real to them, because children have not developed sufficient discriminatory skills to differentiate reality from imagination. Adults can also fall prey to immature thinking due to fear, distrust, mental illness, awe, or other emotions. Some become enveloped in mental aberrations from self induced hypnotic hallucinations which can seem so real that they convince the brain that it has experienced observable fact. Such events add false certainty to beliefs. Belief can be diminished as knowledge discovers and renames what was once unknown but only if open to its possibility. Belief often rejects anything that it has already settled upon as its method of response to the environment.

We are deluged in ideas, facts and beliefs, today. We learn by three basic methods: From an accepted authority, by our own direct experience and from our own intuitive thinking processes. We tend to accept the experiences of others and honor them instinctlively as though factual on a survival level. Today, facts inundate society at such a rate that we easily slip into a refuge of belief as a shield against the onslaught. To test this information barrage would be impossible. So, we learn to live by only picking up on those things that pertain to our existence and what interests us. Belief becomes myth as children's stories become cartoons. Belief is a caricature of reality.

And this: I don't "know" exactly what cause the collapse of the WTC. I have worked around blast furnaces and understand the principle of what an accelerated air flow can do to a combustible material. The WTC was built on the principle of the hollow tube... it's strength was like putting pressure on a straw from tip to end... but it's weakness is found in any side pressure which will collapse it easily.

Open air burning temperatures: 260-315 °C (500-599 °F)

Maximum burning temperature: 980 °C (1796 °F)

It is the ignorance of belief that casts aspersions on an entire group by the actions of a few. "there's battle lines being drawn, nobody's right if everybody's wrong" and "paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep, it comes when your always afraid, step out of line, the man come and take you away"... Bufffalo Springfield

Fear is the naked heart of reality. David Ick is Icky. Listen at your own risk, repeat it at your own embarrassment.

And this: This is not a new debate here. I've already seen and heard to many if's, and's or but's about the WTC. Did you check out what would happen with a natural gas explosion and what it do with an acclerant like jet fuel? There are no mountains of evidence... there are mountains of speculation. The possibility of a collapse of the WTC was a simple precaution. We always evacuated people from buildings on fire because the possibility of full involment and collapse has to be treated as immenant. Imagine what would have happened and the loss of life if the people were allowed to stay or took their time getting out.

Wouldn't it be just as plausible that if there were bombs planted they they were planted by Islamic terrorists. Why the automatic assumption that our own people did such a thing unless it fits your own agenda?

Over 17 Arabs have been proven to have participated in the bombings and one of the ring leaders, a man who had entered the United Stares on an Iraqi passport under the name of Ramzi Yousef--was involved in another stupendous bombing conspiracy. In January 1995, Yousef and his associates plotted to blow up eleven U.S. commercial aircraft in one spectacular day of terrorist rage. The bombs were to be made of a liquid explosive designed to pass through airport metal detectors. But while mixing his chemical brew in a Manila apartment, Yousef started a fire. He was forced to flee, leaving behind a computer that contained the information that led to his arrest a month later in Pakistan. Among the items found in his possession was a letter threatening Filipino interests if a comrade held in custody were not released. It claimed the "ability to make and use chemicals and poisonous gas... for use against vital institutions and residential populations and the sources of drinking water." http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iraq/956-tni.htm

In a 2004 video, apparently acknowledging responsibility for the attacks, bin Laden states that he was motivated by the 1982 Lebanon War, for which he held the U.S. partially responsible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_tapes

I admit to being caustic... and even worse but I try my damdest not to attack anyone personally given a preferance of dealing with the issue instead. In my nearly 10 years on this list, I do not recall ever having called anyone a liar... show me where I did. Mike

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24th July 2007 From K Thomas (Steamshovel Press)

k23thomas wrote:

OK, I'm jumping in here. This is one of many lists I monitor but it's been many months since I contributed anything because of this kind of thing. It totally riles me that a lister here wants to dress up his hatred of Jews as some kind of alternative point of view, something that's more hip to conspiracies, or, more bizarrely, something that's demanding positive change. What nonsense. It's just repeating a very common prejudice and in this case besmirching a good hearted law and order man in the process.

I have actually interviewed virtually every worker in the hotel across from the Pentagon. To a person they saw a plane hit the Pentagon. Do you think this convinces anyone who just "knows" otherwise? No, it doesn't. AND THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE ARE THE SOURCE. Not "Zionist" Bill, who is a Catholic, or any of the "Jew controlled" media. Good gawd, what Illinois Nazi mentality.

Wasting time on this kind of drivel is akin to arguing that the driver shot JFK. It's a false dialogue and a game for newbies at best, dilletantes in the middle, and deliberate disnfo agents at worst. 9/11
has no "non-conspiracy" side. It's either a conspiracy of al Qaeda, of US origin, or some kind of collusion. There's no lone nut here. While people want to bluster about bizarre scenarios, solid evidence and serious avenues of research get ignored. All that gets "exposed" is a foregone conclusion of hatred and prejudice.

That's not what conspiracy research is about.

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24th July 2007

Hi Thomas

Can we have the names of all the hotel workers you interviewed?

There are many 9/11 researchers keen to talk with them ASAP.

Have you taped your solid interviews?

Are they individually written down as separate reports?

Can you provide us with everything you have filed/recorded with these solid hotel interviews.

How many hotel workers did you interview?

Once we receive this valuable info, various 9/11 researchers will quickly follow through with them.

I Look forward to hearing from you very shortly.

Arthur Cristian

Email: action @ loveforlife.com.au

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Reply from Kenn Thomas 25th July 2007

Hi Cristian,

No, I will not give you these names to help your "9/11 researchers" go harass these people, as you are trying to do with me in this e-mail. The hotel is still there; some of the people still work there. Harass them on your own without me providing a signpost. Caution, some of them speak only Spanish. I had a bi-lingual translator with me, of course.

Incidentally, they all testifed to the fact that the FBI came around and confiscated the hotel security camera footage. I chalk this up to the standard bureaucratic instinct to protect itself, just in case there's anything incriminating. Still, that footage needs to be released as does the Pentagon camera footage. While the "9/11 researchers" are working on whether or not a plane really hit the Pentagon, I can only hope that more sensible people are making serious petitions to get this done.

The most imtelligent discussion of the real conspiracy issues surrounding 9/11 remains the one I had with John Judge which appeared in the last issue of Steamshovel Press.

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25th July 2007

Kenn,
And why would the FBI want to confiscate all the video footage from the hotel if you say all the witnesses interviewed saw a plane hit the building. Is that not what the official line is "A Plane Hit The Pentagon". But hang on there, what kind of plane hit the Pentagon? Could it have been A Drone or a Missile with wings or a small Jet Plane and not a Boeing 757?

Why has the government and the FBI withheld film footage from hundreds of cameras pointing in all directions around the Pentagon, considering it is one of the most overly-secured sites in the world. Would this evidence not help the US government prove that a Boeing 757 really hit the Pentagon? Something smells very very fishy here Kenn!

There are numerous questions I could ask you about the Pentagon, but let's leave them for another time.

Why is it "Harassment" as you have implied Kenn, when I only asked you to provide me, 9/11 researchers and everyone on Superconsciousness, with the solid gold evidence you have to back up such a Big-Time Statement as you have made, that goes right against the grain of hundreds of witnesses who made statements within a few hours of the plane/missile striking the Pentagon. There is a massive difference between a large Jet, like a Boeing 757 that the government says hit the Pentagon and a small jet like a Drone or a missile with wings don't you think?

When you interviewed these witnesses did you harass them or could it have be seen to be an harassment by them? Why do you consider that your interviews were not an harassment but ours would be? Why are you even saying/suggesting that my request is harassing you? Have you got the evidence or have you not Kenn? As for Spanish, no problem Kenn, Fiona used to teach English to Spanish students and Spanish is her second language.

Without evidence Kenn your statement is worth NOTHING and if you are not willing to back up your convictions with evidence then it is best you say absolutely nothing from now on so you do not mislead others with potential lies. If you continue to wave your supposed knowledge on 9/11 without solid-gold evidence to back it up then you will be labelled by hundreds of 9/11 researchers as a Gatekeeper protecting the real conspiratorial architects behind 9/11 and that you are a false flag operative working for Zion. More than this, if this kind of attack (lies) against Muslims and Arabs continues on Superconsciousness, then Superconsciousness will be labelled as a False Flag Operation Centre Working For The Best Interests Of Zion.

We are not Muslims or Jews or Christians etc. We are but lovers of life and we stand up for all the innocent people in the world who are being blacklisted by liars who seek to demonise innocent men, women and children. We are pro peace, balance and harmony and we are determined to stop the chaos of divide and rules that spoils real freedom for everyone.

Kenn, you could have replied to me by saying without having to say it (undertones) "thanks Arthur, thanks for showing an interest with helping American citizens reclaim their freedom. I will do what I can to help you and other 9/11 researchers". But instead you have to say "HARASSMENT". You know Kenn, The Hornets Come out of their nest to protect their nest by attacking any possible threat to their nest. What are you hiding Kenn that has you come out attacking me like a hornet? What does your nest contain Kenn? In fact, what will be found in the hornets nest of the Bush government, that has had this evil government attacking all American citizens. What are the Zionist's Protecting?

In a short period of time, less than two years from now, possibly within 6 months, numerous members of the Bush government, amongst many others, will be impeached/labelled traitors by Americans but what will also happen, is American citizens will be educated that Bush and co were not the architects of 9/11, and that it was the Zionist's who are the architects and they will all need to be rounded up as well and dealt with. Zionist's are not Jews and have never been Jews. Jews are innocent just as Muslims are innocent with 9/11. Our website flier page basically profiles who and what is a Zionist www.loveforlife.com.au/flier.

Arthur Cristian

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26th July 2007

Arthur Cristian says in reply to Mike and Kenn (see below)....

If you both (including Acharya S) just answer the questions I have given you WITH LOVE IN YOUR HEARTS GUIDING YOUR EVERY WORD OF RESPONSE TO ME and stop beating around the bush avoiding the answering of my questions, which you both are still doing....................... BINGO............ none of YOUR diatribe would be happening..... WOULD IT?

I never asked/invited either of you............"please dish out your diatribe and character abuses towards me".........You are both WILLING performers of the ugly stuff because that is what currently seems SO VERY EASY for both of you to do.......

Isn't it obvious....JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS........and stop acting like babies in a tantrum, continually spitting out your dummies and none of this rubbish of yours would be happening.......WOULD IT?

All that has happened is you have both been challenged about your statements regarding 9/11 and all I receive from either of you is a very clear and blatant avoidance of answering my questions and a full on assault upon my character. All the dust you are mustering up and throwing at the faces of everyone who reads our correspondence (many thousands), determined to block out the sun of truth from shining, will not work, because the sun still shines regardless of how much dust you stir up.

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS and stop throwing dust in our faces!

ARE YOU TRUTH SEEKERS OR NOT?

If the fruit is rotten every season, then the gardener cuts the branch that produces the rotting fruit. But if the tree produces rotting fruit on every branch, then its best to pull the tree out by its roots and replace it with one that will produce good fruit. False Flag operatives are the rotting fruit of liars and all the branches are a collection of organised liars working together for the evil tree of Zion that produces its rotten fruit. If your attitude continues in such rotting ways then you are obviously confirming your connections to the despicable branches of the evil tree.

Arthur Cristian

mc says to Nick Kennedy 25th July 2007 7.58pm......

Just what is the point of all this diatribe? More and more it seems that all this rhetoric is an exercise in self indulgence. In fact, much of what is said appears to be a fantasy engendered by a need for attention. Do understand, there will come a time where those who endure this so called free speech where the people here will feel as offended as I? Accusation, innuendo, conjecture and speculation will run it's course and when it does, what will you do with a platform who no longer reads what you have to say?

Mike

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mc says to Arthur Cristian 24th July 2007 5.49pm

Thank you for quoting me so extensively. I have been quoted many times but this seems somewhat excessive. From reading them put together like this, I can only conclude that: "All the fun's in how you say a thing" -Robert Frost. Contrarywise, everything is in how you take it. It is clear that your interpretaion is a far, far cry from what was said and so, I will leave it up to those willing to wade through all the verbage and draw their own conclusions. I trust the list because they have earned that trust... so far this is your greatest failing.
Mike

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kenn thomas says to Arthur Cristian 24th July 2007 1.05pm .....

You are the worst kind of religious bigot on this earth. I'm amazed that Acharya allows you access to this forum. And please don't write back and tell me what you think of yourself. It's all too clear what you are, I don't care how you finesse it (Zionists are not Jews; some of my best friends are black...jeezus, what a joke). You try to turn yourself into some kind of petty evangelist for some non-existant cause, even make apocalyptic predictions about the oncoming destruction of the American government, issue veiled threats about rounding people up.The same empty rhetoric, same predictions, same blame-the-Jews-but-let's-not-call-them-Jews mentality accompanied the Waco disaster, the OKC bombing, with the same pointless predictions, same general nowhere in trying to come to a true understanding of anything. Absolutely identical to all the disgusting evengelists that people like me abhor and ridicule and get mad as hornets because we have to put up with it for the sake of the first amendment.

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27th July 2007

Dear Mike, Kenn & Acharya

In response to your recent comments regarding

1. 9/11 WTC1, WTC2, WTC7 were not brought down by explosives as implied by Mike

2. Muslims/Arabs behind 9/11 as implied by Acharya

3. 9/11 The Pentagon being hit by a Bowing 757 Jet as implied by Kenn

4. Fiona and Arthur Cristian being liars as stated by Mike

I have now challenged each of you on more than one occasion to forward to Fiona and I solid-gold evidence that backs up your statements but all I have received thus far from any of you is a wall of silence, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

In my last reply to the three of you regarding these challenges I stated this..

If the fruit is rotten every season, then the gardener cuts the branch that produces the rotting fruit. But if the tree produces rotting fruit on every branch, then its best to pull the tree out by its roots and replace it with one that will produce good fruit. False Flag operatives are the rotting fruit of liars and all the branches are a collection of organised liars working together for the evil tree of Zion that produces its rotten fruit. If your attitude continues in such rotting ways then you are obviously confirming your connections to the despicable branches of the evil tree.

And now I say this..
"You will know them by their fruits"

Your silence condemns you.

Arthur Cristian

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28th July 2007

Praise the omniscient Lord for straightening us all out!

I have been aware of conspiracies theories concerning 9/11 since Day One and have followed them more or less closely (as I can with all that I do) since then. I possess DVDs on the subject and have visited Alex Jones's site on more than one occasion. I was also friendly for a time with John Kaminsky, who pushes the theories quite abundantly. The Zeitgeist movie, of which part one is largely based on my work, contains an excellent review of these theories, using clips from the media, as well as Jones's commentaries. Over the years, I have batted around numerous of these concepts ON THIS GROUP, as those who have been here awhile know well. (Good idea to get to know someone before making assumptions about their character, isn't it?)

That being said, I don't necessarily "buy into" all the theories, nor am I willing to dismiss all Muslim/Arab involvement in this affair or any other that smacks of terrorism. My own perspective of this nightmare based on what I do know from my little window on the world is that 9/11 was probably a multinational effort - just like so many other conspiracies, surprise! - by vested interests with the funds and means to pull it off. Using foaming-at-the-mouth Muslims would be entirely within their realm, such being the FACT that Islam inculcates a terrorist mentality - a PERFECT vessel via Wahhabism. I find it impossible to believe, of course, that an alert US government could not have stopped 9/11, so I certainly do not dismiss involvement by the powers-that-be in that faction.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - a multinational brotherhood that cares little about borders but consists of individuals interested in padding their own already-filthy-rich pockets. These are the movers and shakers behind the reality called life on Earth, and have been since time immemorial.

'Nuff said.

Acharya S

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22nd August 2008 from Bill

Hi Acharya,

Oh, I soooo hate the topic, but I do want to express my thoughts on it. Even mention 9/11 to people and it gets them all riled up. I think it's an open wound on our collective psyche and may never be put to rest. The only thing I know for certain about 9/11 is that there are so many unanswered questions about it, and while I'm not willing to go so far as to say exactly how it happened (or who is really responsible) I'm definitely willing to say that our government and the media have done an outstanding job of non-investigation and half-truths.

I guess the biggest question I have is why wasn't this handled from the beginning as a criminal investigation, as opposed to an "act of war". Why was almost every scrap of the towers quickly sold off or shipped out? Hell, the local police will round up 19 guys for getting into a barfight - why was this not considered as being a criminal act punishable by existing laws? The fact is, whether or not they were involved directly, this administration was waiting for something like this to happen. They even wrote about it in the PNAC document back in 1998. Anyway, they certainly took advantage of it, that's for sure.

IMO, the whole thing absolutely stinks. From the way the scene was handled, to the whitewash investigation, to the way in which it was parlayed into a wars of aggression, to the way in which questioning anything about it is being labelled as "conspiracy theory", when there are still so many very serious questions to be answered about that day.

I don't believe this country can heal until some fundamental questions are addressed. And, frankly, no matter what or who really was behind it all, it was a perfect psy-op gift for the government and a media bonanza. The mental anguish and stress burned into our consciousness by having those tower images replayed endlessly for the first week afterward was nothing short of one of the most amazing mass mind trauma events ever witnessed - probably even more so than JFK. It absolutely shocked a nation to the core, and then as 9/11 became a political tool it eventually became the catylist for breaking our nation almost comletely, exactly in half (with the help of religion and any other scare tactics they could think of). It's still working. It's still causing a huge stir whenever it's brought up. And the media still are working hard to shove the same tired story about it, while completely avoiding the same questions being asked over and over by reasonable people who are not "conspiracy theorists" - just concerned citizens who realize the official story (and the government handling of the investigation) does not add up!

Yes, there are nutty theories and crazy people who want to blame it all on the Jews, or the Freemasons, or the Illuminati, or the CIA, FBI, or whomever. None of that excuses the deliberate avoidance by this administration to investigate, shutting out any independent investigation and carefully controlling the "official" investigation. It only leads people to speculate the worst.

Bill

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22nd August 2008

I saw that site a long time ago Acharya. When I said it was silly, it is because I did look as far as I could go with it's "facts" and "reasoning" which were making me choke from a combination of laughter and disgust! If I had thought it was a serious peice of counter-explanation (unlike your own work of facts and reasoning on that silly Jewish god idea etc.), I would have brought it to the forum's attention a long time ago....but I thought why waste anyone's time.

I can't speak to the Discovery peice, cause I didn't see it. The FACTS ARE...that no serious and proper criminal investigation was done---no proper accountability falling on anyone for failure to act on the day or to do the genuine investigation just like any other crime. Now it's just a whole lot of smothering after the fact. You have those with the questions unsatisfactorily answered competing against propoganda-mouthpeices in what will never see a real investigation and accountability assigned to anyone criminally responsible or negligent. It will be no more than the Kennedy assassination as far as conclusions are concerned. As time goes on (and it may not matter much too soon down the road), the trail will be left murkier and colder.

As for USAma bin Laden, I knew of his credentials long before. After all, he was in the construction business among other things as part of the family business. A perfect scapegoat perhaps. In a previous post, I revealed what I had learned about the Bin Laden construction company being involved in the building of the World Trade center and that an architect under the supervision of the lead architect for the project spoke about being tasked with engineering explosives into the building in the planning stage of building them. He just isn't that public about it. It was rather a confirmation of your suggestion that buildings were being built with explosives into them. I have no doubt it was explosives that brought the buildings down, however it was done (probably a combination of things, beside the alleged built-in explosives).

I have no problem accepting that the Bin Laden's knew (as the Saudi Royals, the Pakistani MOSSAD-CIA etc.) and were in on it. None of them are no worse for the crime that was alledgedly done by USAma and his band of merry keystone-terrorists. What you do have is WAR in Afghanistan, Iraq and maybe soon Iran....not a serious search for the criminals fictionalised as "Al Qaeda". Someone should be called on the carpet just for incompetence. NONE have been, though they claim to have known almost the INSTANT who the alleged terrorists were! Sounds kind of eerily convenient doesn't it? You know after the fact, but do nothing before the fact! I don't swallow any of it.

Rene

--- In superconsciousness@

yahoogroups.com, "Acharya S" wrote:

You can be as skeptical as you wish, but an informed person has the ability to read FACTS and decide for him or herself. If there was nothing but foolish philosophizing, as on so many Christian apologist
websites trying to "prove" that a Jewish guy raised from the dead, then your skepticism would be warranted. But this guy's got facts - if they are wrong, someone needs to point it out.

Some of the facts I've seen so far are impressive, such as bin Laden's "credentials," so to speak, including a degree in civil engineering.

The guy's not just some hillbilly goon from the backwoods. He's got education, experience - and WADS of cash.

And so on through the rest of the site - if those facts as I've expressed above are wrong, then they need to be corre cted obviously.

Concerning my own work, people CONSTANTLY make the same type of comments I'm seeing here: "I don't want to look at that silly site."

"I'm skeptical of that site." "I don't know anything about her work, but she's not a scholar." Etc., ad nauseam.

--- In superconsciousness@yahoogroups.com, "Kaens77" bojangles77@ wrote:

I looked at the web site and I don't seem to be able to find credentials for the people writing these debunking articles. There are several engineers, physicists, aviation experts and military who believe thath the WTC buildings were taken down with explosives.

I'm very suspicious of those who debunk when there is a political motivation. On the other hand those experts that I reference do not have a vested interest in their publicised belief that WTC buildings coming down were not the result of planes, but probably explosives were involved.

I am very skeptical of the site that you posted.

K

--- In superconsciousness@yahoogroups.com, acharya_s@ wrote:

*Please note, the sender's email address has not been verified.

I watched half of the History Channel show on 9/11 conspiracy theories. I have to say that some of the debunking was well done.

For instance, I believe it was adequately demonstrated that the building was taken down by the planes, rather than a "controlled demolition."

P.S. I don't really have time to do a debate on this subject, and ad homs will not be tolerated, so please don't start attacking me.

I may answer intelligent responses, however.

P.P.S. The anti-American mentality worldwide needs to be taken into account when determining the motive for some of these conspiracy theories. Why there is so much anti-American sentiment is another subject...

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22nd August 2007

The owner of the WTC admitted that it was controlled demolition.

Now either a truckload of firefighters came in and rushed up into a burning building carrying explosives in a matter of hours :) or more likely they were already planted weeks in advance. In either case - WTC 7 was pulled. It is fact, admitted by the owner himself. Why would WTC 1 and 2 be any different?

Watch him admit it here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100

juu1k0ry

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22nd August 2008

This is more proof that Achy Breaky has a real Hard On for the Muslims because they know how to handle their bitches!!! LOL The biggest threat to the Jews, are the Muslims, because of their numbers and they are just as fanatical about their religion. So use them as the fall guys!!!So, without a doubt the gov't's behavior is very suspicious.If she thinks that her beloved government is just suspicious, she is really on drugs!!! The ZOG planned/engineered and perpetrated the whole crime! Now everyone, stick your head up your ass, and stand for the singing of "God Bless America"!

(= Nick

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Acharya S"
Date: August 21, 2007 10:14:39 PM PDT (CA)
To: superconsciousness @ yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Superconsciousness Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demoliti
Reply-To: superconsciousness @ yahoogroups.com

I agree. The government did a very crappy job on this crime. Where was the CSI? What the government did makes people suspicious of a cover-up. Also, the liars at the EPA told everyone that Ground Zero was all clear, just days after tons of toxic chemicals had been released into the environment - this site should have been a SUPERFUND site! Instead, millions of people have been ingesting all that crap throughout the island of Manhattan and, probably, elsewhere.

So, without a doubt the gov't's behavior is very suspicious. I've never excluded some sort of psy-op connection here, but I am unwilling to absolve Arab/Muslim involvement without good reason. As I've said before, whoever was pulling the strings - those with the most geld, eh? - more than likely used a bunch of Muslim terrorists to pull it off. After all, they get to go to heaven for massacring non-Muslims!

Acharya S

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22nd August 2007

There is some debate, of course, as to what "pulling it" really meant.

However, in consideration of the purported damage, it seems strange that Building 7 could have come down in that manner, without demolition charges. Now, we those already in place or, if not, did
someone really have the time to set them up? If they were already in place... well, you get the point. These quandaries have been floating around the net, of course, for a long time.

It isn't a question of if one, then why not the others. The others seem to have fallen because the impact from the plane, as described in another email.

In any event, back to work...

No rest for the weary.

Acharya S

--- In superconsciousness@yahoogroups.com, "juu1k0ry" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100

--- In superconsciousness@yahoogroups.com, m c wrote:

My skepticism of the 911 conspiracy theory that says that the towers fall were the result of a controlled demolition is on several levels.

I want to know how many tons of explosives would be required to drop towers 1, 2 and 7?

Controlled demolitions would require that many floors be wired with explosives in an even distribution around the circumference?

How many men would be required to do a job like this and what time frame would be required? Days or weeks?

And not be noticed.

How many Arabs would it take to arouse suspicions when carrying enough explosives to achieve this?

I think that the holes in the building were blown there by helicopters carrying intercontinental ballist missles and what we saw on tv was halographically projected to fool us while a team of Arabs reconstructed the air liners in the holes to make it look like they had flown into them.

Mike

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22nd August 2007

How much of bin Laden's fortune comes from the oil that we buy every day? We on the oil standard are feeding these fanatics, whether they be the good ol' Texas boys or the Wahhabi-lovin' Saudis. We are paying for our OWN demolition.

And THAT's how 9/11 was an inside job.

Acharya S

--- In superconsciousness@yahoogroups.com, Reverend Nate
www.loveforlife.com.au

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6th October 2007

"Once you have read these books, you will be able to shift in consciousness.

... I don't say this to be arrogant or to be a smart arse or to be a know it all."

Methinks thou doth protest too much. If you don't say this to be arrogant, etc., then why do you write condescending messages that insult the intelligence and give off an air of superiority?

Acharya S

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7th October 2007

Acharya
Well, until you have read these books how do you know that I have been condescending or have been insulting to your intelligence? Would that not be determined by the contents of the information after you have read these books? Then you could say, Arthur, I already knew all this stuff, you have insulted my intelligence and have wasted all my time da da da da da da.

But no, in the mean-time you choose to show up as being a smart arse? What does that say about you? You prefer to come after my character assuming things that I never said or meant. Your reply was not about the books I was encouraging for you to read. It was about me. It was all about you seeking to make things "personal". Is your priority on grudges or is it on learning and growing? Do you ever hang out your dirty laundry to dry?

The email was about the books and not about myself. I honestly wanted you to be aware that the information in these books were far more important than what you thought about me and whatever else that bounces between your emotional ears. Its not my doing that you behave this way. Only you could do that Acharya, be a smart arse. You obviously have had a lot of training at being one thus far. It seems to come easy for you. I knew that when my name passed by your desk, your claws would come out and be ready to scratch. I knew, that no no matter the subject, it would be scratch Arthur first and ask questions later.

I know that you carry venom for those who stand up to you. But you will notice, I never sought you harm. I just wanted to know the truth as to why you were chronically blaming Arabs/Muslims for 9/11 when there was no solid gold evidence. Even to this day you have not yet apologised to the Arab world for these harmful thoughts, feelings and deeds. What does that say about you?. Would the word Arrogant be appropriate?

You see, I am not the arrogant one seeking to insult your intelligence, acting as if I am superior to you. My door is open but you keep yours closed. What if you are in a sinking ship and others are pointing it out to you but you keep your doors closed and don't want to know anything about it? Would it not be better to open the door, get out and have a good look around first to be sure that your ship is not sinking? If I was arrogant, I would be ignoring you, wouldn't I? So who is the arrogant one in this little tit tat or is it much bigger than It seems to be?

So which way do you want to play this out. Do you want to take me on in a debate to see who is the arrogant one? or do you want to accept me at face value and see what comes after you have read these books? My door is open. Is yours? Lets wait and see.
Arthur Cristian

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7th October 2007

I've had enough of your crap here. You consistently insult and disrespect Acharya - you're banned.

Freethinkaluva (another part-time moderator for Acharya S)

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7th October 2007

Where is the evidence?

Show me the list freethinkaluva????

Arthur Cristian

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7th October 2007

I've had enough of your crap here. You consistently insult and disrespect Acharya - you're banned.

Yay! I might suggest a repost of the "Violent Oppression of Women" essay by Spencer and Chesler under that header instead of what was used, "For All Who Care About Love and Life". I almost overlooked it because I thought it related to Mr. Love For Life" here, who obviously hates Jews more than he loves anything, and to whom the real plight of actual suffering humans means less than his own bloated self- importance and those dreary books he pedals.

good day

Kenn Thomas

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7th October 2007

Hi folks, this is from our "beloved bitch" Acharya! When she starts insulting a good friend and ally of mine.(Arthur and Fiona Cristian) who are one of the few heroes,who actually walk their talk, that is the last straw!!! She is an obvious false flag/NWO/Israeli/ADL/JewLover, who is really fucked in the head/mind-controlled/bought and payed for by the ADL/or just a frustrated,castrating, sexually abused, man-hating lesbian!!! Or maybe....ALL OF THE ABOVE!!!

In any case..... I HAVE SEEN AND HEARD ENOUGH OF HER, AND HER PIECE OF SHIT,YAHOO, FORUM WHICH SPEWS ANYTHING BUT THE TRUTH!!!

One would have to be a masochist or really stooooopid to continue to patronize(see waste time) this forum. I AM NEITHER!!! I have met 2 members,(Rene and Kent) whom I respect and believe to actually be truthseekers on this forum. All, or most of the rest, are so far behind,they think they are
ahead. My time is more limited,now that I am attending school, so I am unsubscribing from this forum,as it is like searching for a gem, in a mammoth pile of horseshit! It is REALLY not worth the digging!

Nick.

Anyone who hasn't been labelled an "anti-Semite" by now is either a coward or a collaborator.

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As you may be aware Love For Life has been completely removed by freethinkaluva @ yahoo.com
so we have not received any emails since 1.18am 7th October 2007. It was great learning from you all. We continue on our way networking with people all over the world and fulfilling the dream that drives us.

On a passing note, I still have great reservations about the doing of harm factor that permeates from Acharya S and a few others closely knit with her. As Fiona and I have stated over and over again

Where There Is Harm Being Done Through Feeling, Thought, Word or Deed, There Is No Love

Where There Is Love There Is No Harm Being Done Through Feeling, Thought, Word or Deed,

When you contemplate/meditate on DOING HARM or NOT DOING HARM to your heartfelt conclusion you can see and feel the very clear distinction between truths and lies and reveals the vibration (the energy) that anyone is working with. Where they are coming from and what drives them from deep within. If we are honest with ourselves we must be able to put aside all the NICENESS that we are infected with that has us live lives with rose colored glasses on (fantasy) and this stops us from looking at REALITY (the way things really are). Very few people on earth today would ever dare to follow their hearts guidance all the time because the hold that NICENESS has over them plasters up the fear that lingers beneath. This stops them from experiencing the powerful outcomes due to a myriad of fearful ramifications. Without following ones heart, one is never able to heal themselves of all the fantasies that plague them. To speak the truth as you REALLY feel it without seeking to do harm through feeling, thought, word or deed, makes us true loving men, women and children on earth.

I am not one for back-stabbing and this is why I always prefer to deal directly with the source of any issue. Acharya S has now made sure to avoid any further contact with Fiona and I.

If you remember the comments I made to Kenn Thomas 25th July 2007 (You know Kenn, The Hornets Come out of their nest to protect their nest by attacking any possible threat to their nest. What are you hiding Kenn that has you come out attacking me like a hornet?

What does your nest contain Kenn?) and what I stated recently (Imagine you are living in a house near a hornets nest and every day, a hornet comes and stings you. You may kill that hornet but you have not solved your problem because another hornet will come the next day. To fix your problem you have to find the hornet’s nest and remove it.)

Superconsciousness has a few hornets who come out to sting when anyone appears to be a threat to their nest (to their true motives). These hornets are TRAINED to mess with your mind and as most of us are plastered by NICENESS the attacks of the hornets are successful because no one ever dares speak their heartfelt truths, but instead, will go around it. This way, they are not uprooted and expelled from the herd or group they seek to be a part of. The plaster is never removed to reveal the fears that brew underneath. Nick Kennedy is one exception but Nick, prefers the path of doing harm through words in addressing the truths he feels. This negates the influence Nick may have as his
harmful words become enmeshed and lost within the din of harmful thoughts, feelings, words and deeds espousing out of the Superconsciousness Group.

David Icke stayed in our family home for 1 week during 1995/96. Fiona and I got to know David very well and we continued communicating for sometime until he cut me off. I had terrible gut feelings around David on many occasions during his stay but always thought there was something wrong with me like insecurity. I was impressed by David and in awe of David back then. But, it wasn't until last year that I finally realised why I felt uncomfortable around David. Via emails I lovingly confronted David Icke since mid last year but David ignores me and refuses to communicate. Then late last year the penny finally dropped about the hidden codes of The English Language which had many Supreme Court Judges freaking out. You should have seen the looks on their faces.

Then a freedom campaigner who shared his truths and was working closely with Fiona and I did a script analysis on Davids books and when I saw the unarguable evidence of the "Illumined" codes come jumping out from numerous sentences and paragraphs, I went into denial for two weeks. No
way, David Icke is not one of them. Its impossible. Well let me tell you he is and so are many others on the front line of the freedom and conspiracy movements. As Theodore Hertzel stated "We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us". How true this Zionist comment is. Fiona and I and others have written to many well known freedom campaigners about our breakthrough with the hidden codes and all bar one refused to talk with us, even though we repeatedly tried. Then script analysis had been performed by others and guess what, they are all Illumined bar one. With the control of the creation of money, languages, history, media, the law etc, The Illumined ones are able to CRAFT deceptions that continue to fool 99.9% of the population since this conspiracy all began in Ancient Egypt.

David Icke is an Illumined insider, aware of the Illumined plans and this is why he was able to correctly prophesise many coming events. But then that is not unusual because ALL Illumined minds have been able to correctly prophesise self-fulfilling prophecies since Ancient Egypt and this includes Nostradamus. This aids in their ongoing Hegelian Dialectic/Divide and Rule Agendas sucking the masses into following the one in front "We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us".

The bullshit stories like Christianity are also known by those who are Illumined because THEY CRAFTED THEM from the very beginning and so another series of "We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us" had recently began with Christianity. I can assure you 100% that those who offer the solution (the truths) of Christianity are also those who are Illumined to THE CRAFT of the bullshit story of Christianity, meaning those who con-ceived the problem.

These despicable tactics have been carried out over and over again on the dumbed down masses since Ancient Egypt. The Illumined ones con-ceive fantasy after fantasy, thousands of them, to keep the masses drifting from one maze to the next in fantasyland, without ever escaping. They conduct their plays on all intellectualised levels of life, spiritual, intellectual, emotional, physical and material.

No script analysis has yet been done on Acharya S books. In time those who can, will be asked by us to do this as we do not have the time or patience to carry out such a time consuming process. Those who can are still out of the limelight and we are under an oath not to reveal who they are and what else they know until they feel ready to do so. Attempts on some of their lives have occurred while none have been made against us, that we know of. We have a reasonable profile in Australia and we intentionally keep our court cases dragging out and we make sure everything we do is right out in the open all the time so if they want to come after us, they will need to come out into the bright light to do so. With the Do No Harm being the motto with everything we do these days it makes it very hard to stick anything on us without also exposing us to more and people and our Do No Harm message. For now they are ignoring us but we know they are plotting, but they will not succeed.

In the end, its all about saying NO to the doing of harm and saying YES to doing no harm. This means stopping all fantasies from harming us which means standing up and getting rid of the dark-side once and for all but we can only do this through love. This means that It doesn't matter who they are and each and every issue they have crafted which consumes the peoples attention. You break the spell (the hold) they have over all of us by ignoring the issues and focusing all our attention on doing no harm and when thousands of us are doing all this together, at the same time, all heading in the same direction of doing no harm, we will have finally made the breakthrough that leads to the
dark-sides complete destruction.

This is what Earth Is Calling is all about. This is a revolution of the heart, a true shift in consciousness and it will only happen through love. Unfortunately, there is just too much doing of harm going on
within the Superconsciousness group. Please learn how to focus all your waking time on doing no harm through thought or feeling or word or deed. Teach others to do this. While the dark issues are being fed by our devotion to them, the storm (chaos) continues unabated, wreaking havoc upon the people who believe in the storms (chaos) existence. When we calm the storms in our mind, is when the earth's storm is over. Then peace reigns over all the lands on earth. It is fantasy that feeds the
storm of chaos and the illumined ones have crafted a university of knowledge (all fantasy) across their ages, to keep the people (99.9% of the population) worshiping chaos in all its forms, all of the time.

The chaos exists to protect the power and control "The Establishment" has over all the people. The chaos is the myriad of distractions (fantasies) that stops the people from ZOOMING in to Ancient
Egypt/Zion's source of all power and control over the people.This being:

"Their Law"

"Their Languages"

"Their History"

"Their Knowledge"

They are all bullshit because they are all fantasies.

Do you know how you can tell the difference between what is true and what is a lie (fantasy)?

See if it can BOUNCE LOVE.

What is real can bounce love and what is not real is unable to bounce love.

99.9% of everything going on in Superconsciousness (the issues) are unable to bounce love.

Did you know that?

What does it say for its creator?

To save time and your patience, here are a few links to some of my unedited emails which discuss the bouncing of love.

http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/1634#comment-265

http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/1766

http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/1769

Contemplate on what David Icke and Acharya S are selling to the people (consciously or unconsciously) and you will see that it is all fantasy, mostly true story's about fantasy (Christianity - Bloodlines - Secret Societies etc) but in amongst these true fantasy stories are a few big Porky's as well. Remember, fantasy cannot bounce love and everything and everyone of the dark-side will sell you fantasies so that you cannot bounce your love. This is the way of the dark-side. Stopping you
from bouncing your love keeps you in the maze of fantasyland, where everything is not real, lost to the REAL world. While souls are lost to the real world the dark-side has a great global business in place, a huge consumer demand for supplying their despicable products (fantasies) to their unsuspecting public. The Illumined order (solution) to every Illumined problem Con-ceived is what keeps the customers coming back to do business with the Illumined Ones, over and over again across their ages. Its all about power and control, keeping The Establishment" in power and they work very very hard to protect their business interest, selling fantasies. They cannot afford to lose
customers. If the people stopped buying their products, they are out of business.

The Illumined Ones DO NOT WANT YOU TO CONNECT WITH YOUR SOUL BECAUSE TO DO SO MEANS THAT YOU ARE UNPLUGGING FROM THEIRS (CHAOS). Where your soul provides you with your real feelings (heart felt guidance), their chaos provides you with their intellectualised knowledge. This
knowledge is the worship of THE ILLUMINED "INTELLECT" - the all seeing eye - the artificial soul provided to every child born to their earth. This is the beast they wrote about because they know it is their beast and they worship it in the form of the owl MOLOCH and PERSEPHONE amongst others.

Please keep this information to yourselves, for your eyes only, and allow the book "Earth Is Calling" to perform its miraculous deed upon the people, particularly those in Superconsciousness and all your friends and loved ones, one day.

Thank you for allowing us into your lives.

May the force of love win the day for all of us.

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life Campaign
action @ loveforlife.com.au
www.loveforlife.com.au