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GaiaGuys.net Website Has Been Shut Down Sometime Between November 2007 and January 2008

Below are links to many webpages/Websites providing news and articles about GaiaGuys Vivienne Legg and Dyson Devine

ADAM DODSON.org
GaiaGuys.net shut down

GOOGLE GAIAGUYS
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Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.

Posted January 26th, 2008 by Anonymous
From Sydney Indymedia

Two founders of an internet whistleblowing site have been sentenced to nine months gaol for contempt of court by the Victorian Civil Administrative Tribunal. (VCAT) Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg were well known in the online community and their website " Gaiaguys.net " covered various topics such as:

* FIGU material and the Disclosure project.

* Alternate energy sources and environmental issues.

* Crop circles and chemtrails.

* Corruption in the media and government by various guilds and groups.

It was the latter that landed them in hot water when they accused a group in being involved with a Satanic ritual abuse ring in Victoria. The group was classed as a registered religion and bought religious vilification charges against Devine and Legg at VCAT in July 07. Gaiaguys was ordered then to remove the offending material which they failed to comply with. In December 07 the orders were made to arrest both parties for contempt of court.

This is the first time religious vilification has been used in Australia to this extent. There was a case before of Catch the fire ministries vs. The Australian Islamic council. But both sides settled matters in mediation after spending one million plus dollars each. This is a heinous blow to freedom of speech in this country and both Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg are political prisoners.

A Gaiaguys skeleton site is up and runnning again and can be found at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GiordanoBrunoinEEUU/message/69

The links and graphics don't work, but one can get an idea of what type of topics gaiaguys.net covered.

Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg are currently sentence serving prisoners in Victoria. Both can be individually contacted via the Victorian Dept of Corrective services at:

Dept of Victorian Corrections
GPO Box 123
Melbourne, VIC, 3000

This matter affects all those who value our right to freedom of speech and the confidence of whistle-blowers in Australia to speak out. Please voice your support and put vocal pressure on the politicians to free Dyson and Vivienne from imprisonment. It starts here but we have to ask ourselves... Where does it end?

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COMMENTS

Dyson and Vivienne, I am so sorry
On January 26th, 2008 Pyewacket says:
The group of weirdos who brought this action are satan worshippers.
They base their beliefs around Alistair Crowley's book. So much for
freedom of speech. I know these two people and they are very good
people, very concerned about the planet. I was working on an article
about this but you beat me to it. I will write to you, guys.

reply
Re: Dyson and Vivienne, I am so sorry
On January 26th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
take your own advice pyewacket

they are fools if they try to flaunt the law to that extent !! there are many ways to flirt the law and still not get sent to jail !

reply
So you don't believe in free speech?
On January 26th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
You think we should just shut up about things that are wrong - thinks
like HealthQuest and weird cults that espouse Crowley's pederastic
writings?

reply
Wiki entry on O.T.O.
On January 26th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
Be careful what you say everyone, these people have money and will
sue. But just see for yourself what this organization is about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordo_Templi_Orientis

reply
Aleister Crowley, Wiki
On January 26th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley

reply
Sydney Indy could be shut down by a SLAPP
On January 26th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
In the same circumstances, we could easily be shut down. I have seen a
lot of posts here that would be found to be defamatory of various
politicians, etc, if they were to take the matter to court. This is
wrong: we should be allowed to say what we think regarding
organizations or persons of high profile. But we need to be very aware
of this shocking case. This is known as a S.L.A.P.P.: Specific Lawsuit
Against Public Participation.

reply
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
On January 26th, 2008 AnonDude (not verified) says:
The operators of Gaiaguys.net are obviously some seriously irrational conspiracy theorists. That said, I'm no fan of court ordered shut downs of websites, no matter how ridiculous the content.

The Gaiaguys.net website is still online here:

http://web.petabox.bibalex.org/web/*/http://www.gaiaguys.net

reply
Gaiaguys
On January 26th, 2008 Pyewacket says:
Thanks....I love a good conspiracy theory myself. It's always good reading but you don't have to believe it.

reply
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
On January 27th, 2008 seans (not verified) says:

Freedom of speech is one thing. Outright lies set up to cause hatred against a group of people is another thing altogether. Free speech is the ability to express your opinions without fear of persecution and its importance is absolute. But when the freedom of speech is used to spread some pretty nasty lies disguised as researched news, then that's a real abuse of freedom.

There is a massive gulf between speaking your opinion about an issue, and reporting a lie as if it was fact. The OTO guys have every right to fight against this blatant abuse. And I suspect most people out there would also do the same if someone created a site accusing them of those heinous crimes.

reply
Inciting heinous crimes
On January 28th, 2008 Pyewacket says:
It could be that no members of the OTO have committed heinous
crimes. But Aleister Crowley, whose books you promote on your website,
does incite people to commit heinous crimes. In his books he advocates
animal 'sacrifice' and sexual abuse. On one occasion Crowley went to
Nepal where he beat one of his servants to death. On another occasion a
visitor to his house died after drinking cats' blood. So do you people,
like Crowley, advocate the 'sacrificing' of cats and other animals? And
if not, why are you promoting Crowley's books on your website? What are
you going to do, take legal action against every website that mentions
the link between the OTO and Aleister Crowley?

We find in the next quotes, the ‘doctrine’ of Aleister Crowley from MAGICK in Theory and Practice, by The Master Therion (Aleister Crowley):

But the bloody sacrifice, though more dangerous, is more
efficacious; and for nearly all purposes human sacrifice is the best.

The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle,
or the Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape.
An animal should be selected whose nature accords with that of the
ceremony–thus, by sacrifcing a female lamb one would not obtain any
appreciate quantity of the fierce energy useful to a Magician who was
invoking Mars. In such acase a ram would be more suitable. And this ram
should be virgin–the whole potential of its original total energy
should not have been diminished in any way. For the highest spiritual
working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the
greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high
intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim.

reply
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
On January 28th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
the more you seek the truth the more you find out how bad freemasonry actually is

reply
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
On January 28th, 2008 Bob T (not verified) says:
The owners of the website took the whole site down not because of the contempt order, or the original order to remove specific materials, but because they said an alien named “Ptaah” personally advised them to.

It appears aliens had a better grasp of defamation and contempt laws than their human interpreters.

reply
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
On January 29th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
93

reply
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
On January 29th, 2008 DER BEOBACHTER EDELWEISS THE TRUE ONE-JBS (not verified) says:
LONG LIVE TO GAIAGUYS!!!

http://truth777.00freehost.com/agharta777.htm

SAVE THE PLANET!!!

TRIBUTE TO GAIAGUYS... FREE GAIAGUYS!!!!! LONG LIVE TO GAIAGUYS!!!

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Link to this article: http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/story/gaiaguys-net-shut-down-vcat-contemp...

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FROM DIGG.com

GaiaGuys.net shut down by Satanists!adamdodson.org

One of Australia's oldest corruption and paedophilia whistleblower websites, has been silenced by people under the control of the Ordo Templi Orientis (satanic cult). This is call for support for its creators, who are now in imminent legal (and possibly physical) danger. Digg this if you value freedom of speech, and want the truth to be known!

COMMENTS

The sites creators have surfaced on the FIGU forum here:
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/1075.html?1197697873

Link to this article: http://www.digg.com/world_news/GaiaGuys_net_shut_down_by_Satanists
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OCCULT ORDER vs THE CHILD RIGHTS CAMPAIGNER (Victorian Civil & Administrative Tribunal)

The case in question, according to the respondents www-site situated
at: http://www.gaiaguys.net/oto.actjudgement.htm is decribed as
follows:

"MAKING INTERNET LEGAL HISTORY :

Australian Court finds www.gaiaguys.net guilty of defaming advocates of torture and child abuse!

July 8th 2005 - by gaiaguys

On the 28th June 2005, the Australian Capital Territory Magistrate's
Court judged authors of www.gaiaguys.net, a web site hosted in the
United States, guilty of defaming the Ordo Templi Orientis Freemasons,
who are advocates of torture, rape, child sacrifice, pederasty,
cannibalism and more. The gaiaguys.net authors Vivienne Legg and Dyson
Devine live in the Australian State of New South Wales.

Magistrate Burns of the ACT Small Claims Court obviously judged that
gaiaguys' exposé of this dangerous network is not in the public
interest! He ordered that we pay OTO members David Bottrill (National
Treasurer), Stephen Joaquim King (Chief Executive Officer) and the Ordo
Templi Orientis Incorporated each $9998.00 for our imputations that
these applicants actually involve themselves in the ritual abuse of
children, child pornography and paedophilia, blood ritual involving the
sacrifice of small children and animals, satanic rituals and the murder
of small children, "...bringing the applicant into hatred, ridicule and
contempt ..." ( notably three primary values which are clearly
expressed in the philosophy of the Ordo Templi Orientis).

According to it's own statements and documents Ordo Templi Orientis
members practice and swear to defend these "principles of Thelema" as
spelled out in The Book of the Law. A legal document sent to the Equal
Opportunity Commission of Victoria from a Melbourne OTO member, Brent
Gray, states that, "The Book of the Law is the primary religious text
of Thelema." "The OTO is an international body of men and women
dedicated to the promotion of Thelema. These principles are taught
through a graded series of degrees, or initiations, and understood
through practical engagement with these mysteries in the initiate's own
life."

The following are excerpts from the Book of the Law. "I will give you
their flesh to eat" "Sacrifice cattle, little and big: after a
child.", "damn them who pity!", "Kill and torture", "Compassion
is the vice of kings".

Having been advised by an officer of the Equal Opportunity Commission
of Victoria that him dealing with this matter as a member of any of the
groups affiliated with the OTO, (being the Freemasons, Order of the
Eastern Star [a.k.a. "Lucifer"], Knights Templar, etc.) would
constitute a conflict of interest, gaiaguys wrote the ACT Magistrate's
court twice seeking statements confirming that no conflict of interest
would be present in this case. Those requests were completely ignored.
Do we assume that Magistrate Burns is also a Freemason?

Gaiaguys has just sent a letter to the Federal Treasurer asking about
the legal, not-for-profit status of the Ordo Templi Orientis and asking
how long it will be before this "we have a right to kill those who
would thwart us", organisation has it's legal, religious, tax exempt
status removed!

We have still had no response to our May 24th registered letters to the
ACT Chief Minister and the ACT Human Rights Commissioner calling for
action against this criminal group who enjoy legal immunity in
Australia. Similarly we have still had no response to our May 24th
registered letters to the Victorian Attorney General and head of the
Equal Opportunity Commission of Victoria in relation to the OTO's use
of Victoria's ludicrous Religious Vilification laws against us,
(although the Premier responded saying that we should get legal
advice.) Nor have we heard from the Victorian Police Minister, Police
Commissioner or Assistant Commissioner in relation to a report we drew
up concerning bloody rites of Babalon which were scheduled to be
performed by the OTO in Victoria on the Queen's Birthday weekend. And
of course, we did not receive any acknowledgement of our many critical
points in the original February 19th 2005 response we made to the Equal
Opportunity Commission of Victoria in response to its enquiries
prompted by the religious vilification charges made against us by the
OTO.

Rather than serving to protect the community from this violent and
cruel network, Magistrate Burns' decision has demonstrated once again
just how stunningly widespread and complete is the high-level
protection enjoyed by the Ordo Templi Orientis Freemasons in
Australia."

The views within this article, do not represent my own.

- dolf
-

(Please scroll down for documents.)

(On a technical note, according to the applications to the court the
applicants relied on the number of hits on our website since 15th March
2004 and upon its readership since 15th March 2004. How did they
determine these figures given that our own hit counter is very erratic
and unfortunately has "quirks", to use the words of one of our ISP
technicians on the 12th of March 2005?)

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Bill Heidrick12-07-2005, 12:53 AM
93 All,

Before addressing a couple points in this, I need to make one
statement.

OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis) is not a freemasonic organization.
Although OTO is to an extent modeled along masonic lines, as are a
majority of membership organizations formed in the early 20th century,
both religions and secular, it does not claim to make or raise
fmasons. Its rituals are not masonic rituals. It has no ties of any
kind to masonic organizations. Some of the individual members of OTO
are also masons, but that is a minority of the membership. There is
no active relationship between OTO and Freemasonry.

Ergo, it is rather odd to see this topic posted to alt.freemasonry, in
addition to the other newsgroups.

On 11 Jul 2005 02:42:31 -0700, "Qolon" wrote:

>The case in question, according to the respondents www-site situated
>at: http://www.gaiaguys.net/oto.actjudgement.htm is decribed as
>follows:
....
>The following are excerpts from the Book of the Law. "I will give you
>their flesh to eat" "Sacrifice cattle, little and big: after a
>child.", "damn them who pity!", "Kill and torture", "Compassion
>is the vice of kings".

These passages are quoted out of context, producing the appearance of
a meaning which they do not possess. Rather than direct to a copy of
Liber AL, the Book of the Law, I'll leave it to the reader to use
Google to find one -- thereby avoiding any assertion that a "clean"
version is indicated in this post. Crowley, the "scribe" of Liber AL,
enlarges on the notion of sacrifice in a footnote to his book Magick
in Theory and Practice. He, in a mundane sense the author of Liber
AL, interpreted this passage to refer to diversion of the sexual act
to prevent conception of a physical child, an act of "birth control,"
taking the diversion of the sexual experience as a means of mystical
effect.

>Having been advised by an officer of the Equal Opportunity Commission
>of Victoria that him dealing with this matter as a member of any of the
>groups affiliated with the OTO, (being the Freemasons, Order of the
>Eastern Star [a.k.a. "Lucifer"], Knights Templar, etc.) would
>constitute a conflict of interest, gaiaguys wrote the ACT Magistrate's
>court twice seeking statements confirming that no conflict of interest
>would be present in this case. Those requests were completely ignored.
>Do we assume that Magistrate Burns is also a Freemason?

None of those groups or categories of groups are affiliated with OTO
in any way. It's like trying to recuse all persons having a religion
based on sacred scripture of any sort, on grounds that being a reader
of holy writ would prohibit a Moslem from sitting in judgment on a
Christian alleged to have been attacked by an illiterate person.

>Gaiaguys has just sent a letter to the Federal Treasurer asking about
>the legal, not-for-profit status of the Ordo Templi Orientis and asking
>how long it will be before this "we have a right to kill those who
>would thwart us", organisation has it's legal, religious, tax exempt
>status removed!

The inquiry is appropriate. I personally consider the allegation to
be outrageously abusive, underscoring the necessity of OTO defending
its right to practice its religion. OTO does not kill or assault
anyone. The majority of the rest of this post continues to
demonstrate the same necessity of defense in the courts of law by OTO,
of it's reputation.

Clearly, this very action of defense in the courts puts a lie to the
slander of recourse to more violent means.

>Rather than serving to protect the community from this violent and
>cruel network, Magistrate Burns' decision has demonstrated once again
>just how stunningly widespread and complete is the high-level
>protection enjoyed by the Ordo Templi Orientis Freemasons in
>Australia."

An attack for acquisition of undisclosed benefits, often considered
financial or fringe-political, has been mounted against minority
religions and non-religious service organizations like freemasonry at
various times over the last several decades, in various countries.
Perhaps it started in the USA with the "ritual abuse" hysteria, but it
spread to the UK and Canada, appeared in Scandinavia and Eastern
Europe, and now has finally reached "Down Under". Nothing has ever
come of this that indicates any truth in the abuse assertions, with
the possible exception of some psychiatric "recovered memory" fraud
cases and some "copy-cat" cases involving teens or "fallen
Christians"..
Such attacks would not have such impetus if they did not attract
believers with money and time to spend. I do not characterize the
present parties as either abusers or misled believers. That matter is
proper to the venue of the courts of law.

For an example of how far this can go, as well as a perhaps
disconcerting expression of a Thelemic religious point of view, see:

http://www.billheidrick.com/works/bloodlib.htm

Thelema, as a religion and philosophy, does not accept the usual
Christian views of certain historic personages, including those
developed out of the New Testament by latter-day Christianity. I
apologize in advance if some readers find the text on my web site to
be in any way sacrilegious by the tenets of their faith. I have a
different standard, based on a different belief. I respect the right
of any person to harmlessly and tolerantly seek union with the divine
in any manner that works to affect or approach that union. I also
respect the right of any person to disbelieve, who finds religious
dogma or even belief in a deity to be of no value or meaning for
themselves.

This works for me.

Speaking only for himself, and not on behalf of OTO or others,

Bill Heidrick
heidrick@well.com

Treasurer General of OTO international, retired.

93 93/93
Bill
..

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Qolon12-07-2005, 02:13 AM
Thank-you for your response Bill, yes it is true that OTO are not a
freemasonic organisation, that in 1918 CE they decided to remain
separate.

And neither am I a freemason--how when individuals are mis-representing
both OTO who I expressed as a Gnostic and Hermetic Group and maligning
Freemasonry, then I feel it appropriate within the bounds of
Brotherhood, to provide a statement in defence.

There is only one Tree of Life, and my Intellectual property is not
inferior to that claimed by Freemasons--I'm surprised at your lack of
respect.

- dolf

Bill Heidrick wrote:
> 93 All,
>
> Before addressing a couple points in this, I need to make one
> statement.
>
> OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis) is not a freemasonic organization.
> Although OTO is to an extent modeled along masonic lines, as are a
> majority of membership organizations formed in the early 20th century,
> both religions and secular, it does not claim to make or raise
> fmasons. Its rituals are not masonic rituals. It has no ties of any
> kind to masonic organizations. Some of the individual members of OTO
> are also masons, but that is a minority of the membership. There is
> no active relationship between OTO and Freemasonry.
>
> Ergo, it is rather odd to see this topic posted to alt.freemasonry, in
> addition to the other newsgroups.
>
> On 11 Jul 2005 02:42:31 -0700, "Qolon" wrote:
>
> >The case in question, according to the respondents www-site situated
> >at: http://www.gaiaguys.net/oto.actjudgement.htm is decribed as
> >follows:
> ...
> >The following are excerpts from the Book of the Law. "I will give you
> >their flesh to eat" "Sacrifice cattle, little and big: after a
> >child.", "damn them who pity!", "Kill and torture", "Compassion
> >is the vice of kings".
>
> These passages are quoted out of context, producing the appearance of
> a meaning which they do not possess. Rather than direct to a copy of
> Liber AL, the Book of the Law, I'll leave it to the reader to use
> Google to find one -- thereby avoiding any assertion that a "clean"
> version is indicated in this post. Crowley, the "scribe" of Liber AL,
> enlarges on the notion of sacrifice in a footnote to his book Magick
> in Theory and Practice. He, in a mundane sense the author of Liber
> AL, interpreted this passage to refer to diversion of the sexual act
> to prevent conception of a physical child, an act of "birth control,"
> taking the diversion of the sexual experience as a means of mystical
> effect.
>
> >Having been advised by an officer of the Equal Opportunity Commission
> >of Victoria that him dealing with this matter as a member of any of the
> >groups affiliated with the OTO, (being the Freemasons, Order of the
> >Eastern Star [a.k.a. "Lucifer"], Knights Templar, etc.) would
> >constitute a conflict of interest, gaiaguys wrote the ACT Magistrate's
> >court twice seeking statements confirming that no conflict of interest
> >would be present in this case. Those requests were completely ignored.
> >Do we assume that Magistrate Burns is also a Freemason?
>
> None of those groups or categories of groups are affiliated with OTO
> in any way. It's like trying to recuse all persons having a religion
> based on sacred scripture of any sort, on grounds that being a reader
> of holy writ would prohibit a Moslem from sitting in judgment on a
> Christian alleged to have been attacked by an illiterate person.
>
> >Gaiaguys has just sent a letter to the Federal Treasurer asking about
> >the legal, not-for-profit status of the Ordo Templi Orientis and asking
> >how long it will be before this "we have a right to kill those who
> >would thwart us", organisation has it's legal, religious, tax exempt
> >status removed!
>
> The inquiry is appropriate. I personally consider the allegation to
> be outrageously abusive, underscoring the necessity of OTO defending
> its right to practice its religion. OTO does not kill or assault
> anyone. The majority of the rest of this post continues to
> demonstrate the same necessity of defense in the courts of law by OTO,
> of it's reputation.
>
> Clearly, this very action of defense in the courts puts a lie to the
> slander of recourse to more violent means.
>
> >Rather than serving to protect the community from this violent and
> >cruel network, Magistrate Burns' decision has demonstrated once again
> >just how stunningly widespread and complete is the high-level
> >protection enjoyed by the Ordo Templi Orientis Freemasons in
> >Australia."
>
> An attack for acquisition of undisclosed benefits, often considered
> financial or fringe-political, has been mounted against minority
> religions and non-religious service organizations like freemasonry at
> various times over the last several decades, in various countries.
> Perhaps it started in the USA with the "ritual abuse" hysteria, but it
> spread to the UK and Canada, appeared in Scandinavia and Eastern
> Europe, and now has finally reached "Down Under". Nothing has ever
> come of this that indicates any truth in the abuse assertions, with
> the possible exception of some psychiatric "recovered memory" fraud
> cases and some "copy-cat" cases involving teens or "fallen
> Christians"..
> Such attacks would not have such impetus if they did not attract
> believers with money and time to spend. I do not characterize the
> present parties as either abusers or misled believers. That matter is
> proper to the venue of the courts of law.
>
> For an example of how far this can go, as well as a perhaps
> disconcerting expression of a Thelemic religious point of view, see:
>
> http://www.billheidrick.com/works/bloodlib.htm
>
> Thelema, as a religion and philosophy, does not accept the usual
> Christian views of certain historic personages, including those
> developed out of the New Testament by latter-day Christianity. I
> apologize in advance if some readers find the text on my web site to
> be in any way sacrilegious by the tenets of their faith. I have a
> different standard, based on a different belief. I respect the right
> of any person to harmlessly and tolerantly seek union with the divine
> in any manner that works to affect or approach that union. I also
> respect the right of any person to disbelieve, who finds religious
> dogma or even belief in a deity to be of no value or meaning for
> themselves.
>
> This works for me.
>
> Speaking only for himself, and not on behalf of OTO or others,
>
> Bill Heidrick
> heidrick@well.com
>
> Treasurer General of OTO international, retired.
>
> 93 93/93
> Bill
> .

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Jim Bennie12-07-2005, 03:54 AM
In alt.freemasonry Qolon wrote:
> On the 28th June 2005, the Australian Capital Territory Magistrate's
> Court judged authors of www.gaiaguys.net, a web site hosted in the
> United States, guilty of defaming the Ordo Templi Orientis Freemasons,

The OTO has nothing to do with Freemasonry. Check your facts, please.

Jim Bennie
Nos. 44 & 100, Vancouver

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Qolon12-07-2005, 08:53 AM
Thank-you for your response Jim Ennie, I don't recall suggesting that
OTO are associated with
freemasonic organisations. Your objections and those of Bill
Heidrick's appears to be with the characterisations made by others as
an article I quoted beginning with: "The case in question, according to
the respondents www-site situated at: http://www.gaiaguys.net/oto.ac
tjudgement.htm is decribed as follows:" and concluding with, "THE VIEWS
WITHIN THIS ARTICLE, DO NOT REPRESENT MY OWN."

Bill Heidrick and Jim Bennie are both capable of subscribing an
inappropriate quote to myself, rather than seeking the opportunity
address their remarks to the erroneous article.

Evidently you both have no qualms with the comments made in my first
post... to which
news:1121055824.655264.296330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com applies.

There is only one Tree of Life, and my Intellectual property is not
inferior to that claimed by Freemasons or OTO--I'm surprised at your
lack of respect.

- dolf
-

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Jim Bennie12-07-2005, 12:43 PM
In alt.freemasonry Qolon wrote:
> Bill Heidrick and Jim Bennie are both capable of subscribing an
> inappropriate quote to myself, rather than seeking the opportunity
> address their remarks to the erroneous article.

I did address it. The OTO is not connected to Freemasonry, ergo,
the rest of the article viz-a-viz Freemasonry is irrelevant.

Bill seems to have addressed a number of remarks about the article
as being incorrect.

> There is only one Tree of Life, and my Intellectual property is not
> inferior to that claimed by Freemasons or OTO--I'm surprised at your
> lack of respect.

I made one short comment that the OTO and Freemasonry aren't connected.
I congratulate you on judging my opinion about "intellectual property"
in a post I didn't even read, let alone comment on.

Jim Bennie
Nos. 44 & 100, Vancouver

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Qolon12-07-2005, 01:33 PM
Thank-you for your response Jim Bennie and your continued assertions
that OTO and Freemasonry are not connected.

Bill's comments on the article relates only to the Respondent's
reactions to "the 28th June 2005, the Australian Capital Territory
Magistrate's Court judged authors of www.gaiaguys.net, a web site
hosted in the United States, guilty of defaming the Ordo Templi
Orientis Freemasons" [cf: quote from
http://www.gaiaguys.net/oto.actjudgement.htm ] in which the Applicant's
claim Dr Michaelson has vilified and misrepresented OTO through an
Internet article linking the society to paedophilia, satanic rituals,
and animal and child sacrifices, all of which are [claimed] promoted in
the OTO text 'The Book of the Law'.

The Applicants claimed that, 'what is contained on the website could
incite hatred and lead to violence against members of the OTO.' Dr
Michaelson meanwhile contends that OTO's text, The Book of the Law,
contains "talk of blood rituals using children, eating flesh, the
sacrifice of a child, the killing and torture of others and uninhibited
'love' without restraint", and as such, promotes illegal activity and
violence against children.

The summation of the Respondent's problem appears to be:

a) An inappropriate association between 'Ordo Templi Orientis' and
Freemasonry
b) An unsubstantiated claim that the Judeo-Christian belief in the
Demiurge as HRUMACHIS (#330) being 'The Holy Spirit of Truth and
Justice' as being the associated in the historical personage of Jesus
of
Nazareth which is antithetical to 'Ordo Templi Orientis' Gnostic and
Hermetic view.
c) The resorting to ad hominem as invective charactisations.

thank-you for your participation wihin this discussion.

- dolf

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RE_fuse13-07-2005, 10:18 AM
In alt.freemasonry Qolon wrote:
> On the 28th June 2005, the Australian Capital Territory Magistrate's
> Court judged authors of www.gaiaguys.net, a web site hosted in the
> United States, guilty of defaming the Ordo Templi Orientis Freemasons,

The OTO has nothing to do with Freemasonry. Check your facts, please.

Jim Bennie
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I have been doing a bit of research and tend this......

Worship of Abaddon, the Evil One

Revelations 9:11 And they had a king over them, [which is] the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue [is] Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath [his] name Apollyon.

There is no shortage of references to worship and adoration of figures historically associated with evil in the O.T.O material. This following one should be of particular interest to Freemasons who still think the brotherhood is compatible with their understanding of Christianity and to any who aren’t aware of their ignorant usefulness to the controlling group. Higher ranking Freemasons who are not OTO members also use the word Abaddon. "I cover it with my left hand, and you look over your right shoulder and say Abaddon, which refers to the Evil One." (18th degree initiation rite of the Knight of the Pelican and Eagle Sovereign Prince Rose Croix of Heredom.) (Please study our Masonic degrees page here..)

In an Ordo Templi Orientis song, Song of the Perfect Initiate, (from The Secret Rituals of the OTO, Part Two, The Rituals Themselves, Council of Princes of Jerusalem) the meaning is less ambiguous. This song expresses scorn for the Simple Mason "...Princes of Jerusalem, How we mock and scoff at them!" and praise to Abaddon, ie. praise to annihilation. Take note Freemason dupes!

There is, " …a danger inherent in all secretive societies for their cellular form devised by the founders for the security of the movement, can as readily be used to 'hoodwink' the leadership, who thus become unwitting 'front men ' for activities they would never countenance." (from Steven Knight's The Brotherhood.)

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=36&contentid=2416&...

Link to this article: http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-123733.html

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GaiaGuys.net Forced To Close Down

Australian-based whistle-blower website gaiaguys.net (Vivienne Legg and Dyson Devine) worked tirelessly, dedicating years of their life to exposing police corruption and protected paedophilia rings operating within Australia. Sadly, their website was finally forced off the net this month, and it was a real blow for what's left of our freedom of speech here in Australia. However, what happened to gaiaguys is probably not surprising to those who have followed their ongoing legal battles against the satanic cult "Ordo Templi Orientis", and VCAT.

The webmasters, Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg knew full well that the OTO/Masonic cult had massive influence over our Australian legal/justice system, government departments, and the police force, and they went well beyond the call of duty to try and expose this corruption.

For further information on this case, the arrest of Vivienne Legg and Dyson Devine, and information as to how to obtain access to gaiaguys master files on this case and a lot more (yes, many files are still available thanks to Adam Dodson), please use this link.

http://adamdodson.org/node/131

A search for "gaiaguys" may prove fruitful for other bits and pieces also.
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Sorry to hear about that. Couldn't the site still be mirrored for viewing in other parts of the world?

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Sorry to hear about that. Couldn't the site still be mirrored for viewing in other parts of the world?

I'm not sure kasalt.....maybe something is being organised on that score?

I'm surprised something wasn't already put in place prior to their arrests, but I'm sure its not the last we'll hear of gaiabuys as they are truly dedicated freedom fighters. I just hope they get a suspended jail term.
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What charges, why is the site down, how about some actual information. What have they done?

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Just a little update - Pasted from comments here (http://adamdodson.org/node/131#comment-219)

* VIVIENNE HAS BEEN INCARCERATED *

As of this morning, Monday, January 14th 2008, it was officially confirmed that Vivienne is on the Victorian Corrective services registrar. It is not departmental policy to disclose what facility they are both in. But the un-official indication is that Dyson is in the Melbourne Assessment Prison and Vivienne is being held in the Dame Phyllis Frost Centre.

Amnesty International, ( as it's namesake suggests...DOH ), doesn't deal with domestic cases. They refered me however to Justice Action. There I spoke to a truly kindred spirit, Gregory Kable. He was aware of Gaiaguys and knew of the players involved. Justice Action is not a legal representative, but more a watchdog for inmates in the Australian judicial system, it is now formally notified of Dyson and Vivienne and will be keeping a close eye on them. As Gregory mentioned, they shine a light on the the situation and just let the authorities know they are being scrutinised.

Still waiting on the response from Defence concerning the D-notice. When rung today, they said the Public Relations guy in charge of mail was away on holiday. I was told that they will look into it and to expect a phone call back sometime soon. I suppose they would have dropped a gag-bomb on this site if such a notice existed. So it's business as usual here, till I hear otherwise.

The Corrective Services dept is being contacted via the postal service so both Vivienne and Dyson can establish communicaton with myself. Then they can be refered to legal representation and we can start the ball rolling. Anyone wanting to send support for Gaiaguys can address it to:

Vivienne Legg or Dyson Devine. ( One or the other, as they are separated now...By location that is )
Dept of Victoria Corrections
GPO Box 123
Melbourne, VIC, 3000

Please keep in mind your letters will be inspected before being passed on and it is totally up to the authorities discretion what gets censored or not. So keep the language as polite and non-political as possible. ( My tongues half sawn off from biting it so much ). That will increase the chance of your correspondence making it through to them. As it stands, an anonymous comrade is making the enquiries for me concerning both of them. This is done so not to mar due process with any prejudice from the establishment. Could I please ask that all well wishers just hold off for a week in sending mail. We are trying to get contact made so as to begin appeals and don't need to be thrown in a big " to-do " pile on some desk, lost in a stack of fan mail.

It's time to roll up the sleeves and get on with the task at hand now. ( Freeing Gaiaguys) As soon as I get in touch with them and verify their location. Hopefully by the end of this week. We will be heading to Victoria to see about getting them out of the hell-hole they have been thrown in. I am not sure what the policy of cameras or voice recorders are upon visitation. I will attempt to get a statement ( preferably on digital video so it can be posted ), from both Dyson and Vivienne. My hands are bound though to adhere to Corrective services regulations and I can't do anything to jeopardize communication at this stage. So we'll see how that pans out.

Contacted all State offices of the Australian Green Party with this story. It will be interesting to see if we can get some support from them considering Gaiaguys commitment to the environment. Awaiting their reply eagerly.

Keep you all updated as contact is made.

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What charges, why is the site down, how about some actual information. What have they done?

They have been charged under a law that in effect is religious discrimination
because they exposed the OTO's web site and in particular one of Alistair Crowley's saying "Do as Thy will" relating to the abuse of children they were charged and taken to court/tribunal (though they did not appear) form a different state from where they reside.

Australia is full of Freemasons in high level positions Judges,Politicians,Police,Councilors.child care workers and prominent Entertainers.

Footnote: The previous Prime Minister John Winston Howard was a Freemason as exposed by photo with a handshake to the previous opposition leader Mark Latham who by the way was not a Freemason who then came down with a mysterious disease forcing him to give up hes position, just before an election.

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For everyones info there has been some more updates on the adamdodson.org site in regards to Vivienne and Dyson's imprisonment, check it out.

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