The Earth is NOT Moving!! There is NO proof that the Earth rotates on an "axis" daily and orbits the sun annually. None.

The Earth is NOT Moving!!
Moving-Earth DECEPTION!

Printable Geocentrism two-pager to distribute in your city
Printable Geocentrism two-pager to distribute in your city

Facts: by Marshall Hall

The Christian Holy Bible AND True, non-Theoretical Science Declare:

* There is NO proof that the Earth rotates on an "axis" daily and orbits the sun annually. None.

* All calculations for eclipses, the space program, navigation, satellite movements - anything that demands precision and accuracy - are based on a non-moving Earth. Boiled down, heliocentric math is the same as Geocentric math.

* No experiment has shown the Earth to be moving ( much less at 30 times rifle bullet speed in solar orbit and at 250 times RBS around a galaxy. One would think such speeds would flap one's collar a little even if the "science" establishment says no! )

* Multiple experiments have shown the Earth to be stationary.

* Revisionist history reveals the roles that Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Sagan et al have played in foisting this LIE on mankind.

* The logic against a moving Earth is overpowering.

* World-class astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle said take your pick between the two models.

* Copernicanism paved the way for Darwinism ( which then spawned Marxism, Freudism, Einsteinism and Saganism. )

* Star speeds are not a problem when the thickness of the universe is seen to be what it really is, that is, less than half a light day thick ( eight billion mile radius ).

* NASA's space program is labelled "Origins Research" and costs taxpayers mega-bucks. Computerized telescopes are programmed to send back "synthesized images". The "image warper" permits "geometric transformations" while "origins technology... configures the multiple small mirrors..." in these telescopes. Talk about a con job!

* The Bible says The Earth is NOT Moving and cannot be moved. What'll it be folks? False science as the source of absolute truth... or God's Word?

*Left image: Earth is stationary. *Right image ( by Niall Kilkenny ): sun spiral-orbits Earth, that is... sun's path rotates east-to-west nightly with the heavens, and sun oscillates north-south yearly.

More at this Internet Website, by Marshall Hall
www.fixedearth.com

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Introduction to Geocentrism - by Neville Thomas Jones, Ph.D.

Ancient cosmologies were invariably geocentric, the main four of which being those due to Apollonius of Perga ( c.262 - c.190 BC ), Hipparchus of Nicaea ( c.190 - c.125 BC ), Claudius Ptolemy ( Latinized form of Klaudios Ptolemaios, c.90 - c.168 ) and Tyge ( Latinized as Tycho ) Brahe ( 1546-1601 ). These are often dismissed as unsound or clumsy, and certainly the deferents, epicycles and equant constructions of the Ptolemaic model, for example, cannot be defended from physical foundations. The situation with modern ideas, however, is no better in either respect, meaning that the fundamental workings of the heavens are just as relevant to us as ever they were in the past.

We feel no motion of the World on which we all live. Furthermore, no experiment in all physics has ever demonstrated that the World moves around the Sun, or that it rotates on an axis. From the standpoint of our senses, therefore, it seems simply common sense to attribute the motion of the Sun, Moon, planets and stars to those objects themselves, rather than to some multi-component, contorted movement of the World. Certainly, to a good approximation, the stars appear to go around us as if they are each attached to the inner surface of a huge celestial sphere, which is itself rotating above our heads from east to west on a celestial north-south polar axis. Figure 1: The celestial sphere.

In some geocentric models of the universe, the Sun goes around the World every day, following a path in the sky called the ecliptic. The seasons are simply explained by the Sun traversing the ecliptic over a period of twelve months, such that the declination of the Sun ( effectively a measure of its height above the celestial equator ) will vary slightly from one day to the next. Contemplation of Fig. 1 will illustrate the mechanism by which the Sun reaches its highest position in the sky on the summer solstice, its lowest position on the winter solstice and that it crosses the equator at the points referred to as the vernal and autumnal equinoxes.

We are currently taught the notion that everything around us sprang into existence, of its own accord, between twelve and twenty billion years ago via an explosion of everything out of nothing. However, the considered opinion of the primary authors of this website is that such a proposal is an untenable fairy-tale.

More at this Internet Website, by Neville T. Jones, Ph.D.
www.geocentricuniverse.com

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Moving-Earth DECEPTION!

The Christian Holy Bible AND True, non-Theoretical Science Declare: The Sun IS Moving and The Earth is NOT Moving!!

Geocentrism (stationary Earth, moving sun) is the Most Exciting, the Fastest Growing and Most Significant Truth Movement on the Internet!

The Geocentrism Cosmogony will Thrive Because it is True. It's Adherents are Multiplying, and are the Most Intelligent of Men and Women.

Last updated: January 27, AD 2008

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Heliocentricity (stationary sun, moving Earth): The Foundation... the Kingpin... the most Satanically Venerated of all False-Science Government Funding Scams!

"Since a stationary Earth is THE foundational creation fact in the Bible, it is also the taproot of Bible credibility! Along with the creation of all biological life and mankind which followed, God's creation of an immovable, stationary Earth constitutes the basis - the taproot - for His "tree of knowledge" with its trunk ( the creation of mankind ) and all its limbs and branches. Satan knows that if he can kill this taproot - this foundational knowledge - with pseudo-science this would cause the whole "tree of knowledge" to wither and die in time. That's why he started there first!" Marshall Hall

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Proof of Geocentric Correctness and Heliocentric Incorrectness:

Meaning of words used in this webpage compilation/portal:

--In Classical Greek language, Geo means Earth and Helio means sun.

--Geocentrism = nonrotating Earth, nonorbiting Earth, no "axial tilt" of Earth, sun spiral-orbits Earth; stars orbit Earth, Earth is center of universe. Universe is small, young, created by God.
Derived from Bible Christianity; Research mostly voluntarily financed by Family paycheck.

--Heliocentrism = rotating Earth, orbiting Earth, Earth has "axial tilt", Earth orbits sun; stars stationary to Earth, Earth is not center of universe. Universe is large, old, evolved by itself.
Derived from Kabbala Pharisaism; Research mostly coercively financed by State taxpayer.

--Geocentrism is scientific and true. Heliocentrism is unscientific and false.

See also these other excellent, original and scholarly websites about Geocentrism ( but each not related and completely independent from the others, and not in total agreement in all aspects or interpretations of Geocentrism or Bible doctrines and themes ):

1. Marshall Hall's www.fixedearth.com ( book order HERE )

2. Neville Jones, PhD and son Steven's www.geocentricuniverse.com ( digital download /cd-rom order HERE )

3. Robert Sungenis and Robert Bennett's "Galileo Was Wrong" ( book/cd-rom order HERE ).

Mainstream Science Lies - Current Threat Level:

General threat level remains at ELEVATED ( Yellow ).

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Start here:

The Earth is NOT Moving!

Facts: ( by Marshall Hall ):

- There is NO proof that the Earth rotates on an "axis" daily and orbits the sun annually. None.

- All calculations for eclipses, the space program, navigation, satellite movements - anything that demands precision and accuracy - are based on a non-moving Earth. Boiled down, heliocentric math is the same as Geocentric math.

- No experiment has shown the Earth to be moving ( much less at 30 times rifle bullet speed in solar orbit and at 250 times RBS around a galaxy. One would think such speeds would flap one's collar a little even if the "science" establishment says no! )

- Multiple experiments have shown the Earth to be stationary.

- Revisionist history reveals the roles that Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Sagan et al have played in foisting this LIE on mankind.

- The logic against a moving Earth is overpowering.

- World-class astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle said take your pick between the two models.

- Copernicanism paved the way for Darwinism ( which then spawned Marxism, Freudism, Einsteinism and Saganism. )

- Star speeds are not a problem when the thickness of the universe is seen to be what it really is, that is, less than half a light day thick ( eight billion mile radius ).

- NASA's space program is labelled "Origins Research" and costs taxpayers mega-bucks. Computerized telescopes are programmed to send back "synthesized images". The "image warper" permits "geometric transformations" while "origins technology... configures the multiple small mirrors..." in these telescopes. Talk about a con job!

- The Bible says The Earth is NOT Moving and cannot be moved. What'll it be folks? False science as the source of absolute truth... or God's Word?

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Introduction to Geocentrism - by Neville Thomas Jones, Ph.D.

Geocentric means World-centred. In particular, a geocentric universe is one in which the centres of the World and of the ( finite ) universe coincide. Observational data, together with our instincts or senses, indicate to us that the universe is in reality geocentric. In addition, all physical experiments designed to demonstrate some alleged motion of the World have consistently produced a null result. Only theoretical ideas support a different interpretation of our surroundings than this. Cosmology is the area of physics which deals with the workings and structure of the universe as a whole. Ancient cosmologies were invariably geocentric, the main four of which being those due to Apollonius of Perga ( c.262 - c.190 BC ), Hipparchus of Nicaea ( c.190 - c.125 BC ), Claudius Ptolemy ( Latinized form of Klaudios Ptolemaios, c.90 - c.168 ) and Tyge ( Latinized as Tycho ) Brahe ( 1546-1601 ). These are often dismissed as unsound or clumsy, and certainly the deferents, epicycles and equant constructions of the Ptolemaic model, for example, cannot be defended from physical foundations. The situation with modern ideas, however, is no better in either respect, meaning that the fundamental workings of the heavens are just as relevant to us as ever they were in the past.

The seasons are simply explained by the Sun traversing the ecliptic over a period of twelve months, such that the declination of the Sun ( effectively a measure of its height above the celestial equator ) will vary slightly from one day to the next. Contemplation of Fig. 1 will illustrate the mechanism by which the Sun reaches its highest position in the sky on the summer solstice, its lowest position on the winter solstice and that it crosses the equator at the points referred to as the vernal and autumnal equinoxes.

Complete paper here: http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/page78.htm

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"It's amazing to me that truth seekers can take an historical approach to the Armenian Genocide, 9/11, moon shots, the holocaust, etcetera and do good work uncovering evidence of what would have to be termed important deceptions with potentially wide consequences while, at the same time, judge it to be impossible or unimportant to take an historical approach which reveals that the same culprits driving these deceptions are deceiving the entire world by controlling and manipulating the theoretical science establishment. This demonstrable control has almost destroyed Bible-based Western Civilization's morals, ethics, and just plain truth with its Big Bang Model of 15 billion years of evolution of the universe, Earth, and mankind. Modern man's foundational "knowledge" ( the Origin of all that exists ) has been usurped by the anti-Bible, anti-Christ Pharisee Religion with their "creation scenario" which destroys the Bible's "creation scenario" and destroys all Bible credibility right on through Jesus and Heaven...which is their motive. More, as I show with the Kabbalist's own words in the "Sola Scriptura IV" essay, they claim Satan as their g'd.

Exposing the Copernican lie will absolutely expose and wreck Satan's 6000 years of fine-tuning all the deceptions he has been allowed to make. As you have seen, that lie hasn't the first piece of evidence to uphold it and is totally vulnerable. How to get honest truth seekers to quit majoring in minors and fighting amongst themselves long enough to absorb the facts on all this ( that are now neatly arranged for them ) and begin to hit the Devil and his Pharisee special forces in the jugular where it really counts, I do not know.

But God does. It will happen. It's as close as the One World Government that Bush et al are straining to bring into being ( and thus fulfill 1900 year old prophesies )." Marshall Hall

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"I imagine Mr. H. would be quite interested to KNOW that -- in addition to the

'Intelligent Design' Theistic Evolutionist trickery -- the entire 15 billion year Big Bang evolution model is demonstrably a Virtual Reality computer-programmed fraud... AND is demonstrably extracted from the Pharisee Religion's 'holy book' Talmud/Zohar/Kabbala. In other words, a Zionist controlled alternate 'creation scenario' has been sold to the world as 'secular' science, paid for with tax money, and is very close to destroying Bible Credibility from Genesis through Jesus to Heaven. That's what it is all about. No other 'conspiracy' even comes close to this one." Marshall Hall

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You didn't know that Satan is the g'd of Kabbalist Phariseeism??

You can know HERE.

The Biblical Godhead does not include Satan: HERE.

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The sun and moon both follow a clockwise ( East to West ) spiral orbit around a stationary Earth. Complete orbit time is 24 hours for the sun, 24 hours 50 minutes for the moon ( travelling at 61,158 mph ), and 23 hours 56 minutes for the stars ( called a sidereal day ).

*Next image ( by Niall Kilkenny ): sun spiral-orbits Earth, that is... sun's path rotates east-to-west nightly with the heavens, and sun oscillates north-south yearly:

"The moon follows the sun's spiral orbit but instead of taking 1 YEAR it takes 1
MONTH to complete its north-south spiral."

"The ancient Greeks said that the sun was only about 3 million miles from the Earth. This was the number given by Ptolemy and the great Arab astronomer al-Battani. The rotating Earth people stuck a 9 in front of the 3 and with this mathematical sleight of hand we have a sun whose distance from the Earth is exaggerated 30 times." More:
http://www.reformation.org/stationary-earth.html by Niall Kilkenny

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The unattached and separate thin layer of gas ( atmosphere ) surrounding the Earth's solid and liquid surface is not rotating and is not "velcroed" to the Earth's surface.

Six incorrect beliefs: (i) The Earth is hollow; (ii) The Earth is flat; (iii) The Earth is rotating on an "axis"; (iv) The Earth has an "axial tilt" of 23 degrees; (v) The Earth orbits the sun at 67,000 mph; (vi) The Earth is resting on the backs of four huge elephants which are in turn standing on the back of an enormous turtle.

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"You can trust me because I am a scientist and I consume giga-gobs of taxpayers money, yet I have no Statist or Political Agenda, namely getting "The State" more giga-gobs of taxpayers money."

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"The Big Bang Paradigm in all its parts, including heliocentricity, is not 'secular science' but demonstrably an alternative 'religious creation scenario' derived from the Kabbala of the Pharisee religion and put in place by a 'theoretical science establishment'." Marshall Hall

"Once heliocentrism's religious roots are authenticated the burden upon the USA Courts is to create rulings that prohibit public funding of the Pharisee Religion’s “creation scenario” resting on theoretical "heliocentric science.” Marshall Hall

"If it were found that just one of the major assumptions supporting heliocentricity were in error heliocentricity would no longer be a viable theory."

"...Discarding the seemingly innocuous Equation # 2 [ Newton's inverse-square formula for gravity ] would have enormous consequences for the entire Earth, because with it goes the 'Big Bang' absurdity and the whole of secular cosmology ( which the idea of organic evolution requires in order to sanctify the notion that anything is possible given enough time ). With no publicly-perceived scientific credibility to bolster it anymore, the prevailing Western religion of naturalistic atheistic humanism must then likewise collapse." Dr. Neville T. Jones, Ph.D.

"Unproven assumptions that are required to explain phenomena that are readily explained without the assumptions constitute false science." Marshall Hall

"As for evidence upholding both models in the scientific realm, observational evidence always trumps assumed evidence. In other words, observed, never contradicted factual evidence is scientific truth, and unobserved assumptive evidence which contradicts observed-certified evidence is false. I know of no assumptions that are required in the geocentrism model, and I know of nothing but assumptions that are both interdependent and indispensable to the heliocentricity model." Marshall Hall

"The other major difference between this model and that of Newton is that the force of gravity in the latter is something inherent to anything which possesses mass. In this new model, however, there is no mutual attraction between objects, but only the effect of the gravitational field undeniably exerted by the world upon material objects close to it." Dr. Neville T. Jones, Ph.D.

"We have been unable to find any proof at all that the Earth rotates on an "axis" daily and orbits the sun annually. As far as we can tell, such a theory has never been proven. Also, we have been unable to find any scientists who will agree, by observation and experimentation, to prove Copernicus' theory without including heliocentric assumptions in the model ( which defeats the purpose since the model would already have the assumption of motion built into it )." Thomas Cobb

"I think we're pretty close to throwing out all talk of "gravity" and concluding that all of the phenomena formerly attributed to it is really the working of perfectly balanced interactive electromagnetic forces involving the whole universe with our immovable Earth at the center of it all." Marshall Hall

If you board a helicopter on the east coast of the USA, lift off vertically and hover above the ground for four hours, then set down on the ground again, you will be in the same location that you lifted off from. If the Earth were rotating counter-clockwise at an equatorial speed of 1040 mph then the helicopter should have set down on the west coast of the USA. Therefore the Earth is not rotating.

If the Earth were hurtling through space to orbit the sun at a velocity of 67,062 miles per hour then the Earth's atmosphere would be left behind like a comet's tail. Therefore the Earth is not in solar orbit.

The alleged tilt of the Earth is symbiotically connected to the alleged rotation which in turn is symbiotically connected to the alleged Earth orbit of the sun. Remove one, nothing works in the wholly assumption-based heliocentric model. Marshall Hall

On a clear, calm and sunny day we can go outside and see, feel and observe that it is the sun that is orbiting the Earth and not the Earth orbiting the sun. One can see, feel and sense no movement of the Earth and one can see, feel and sense only stillness. This observation and experiment is scientific.

"If you write outside the reigning paradigm you will not get published, you will have to do it yourself. That requires a large degree of effort and dedication. You will also have to brace yourself for derision and ridicule. People will attempt to "teach" you what you yourself are qualified to teach their teachers."
Dr. Neville T. Jones

"It is worthwhile noting that credibility as regards the sizes of the sun and moon discs producing the observed solar eclipse effect that we marvel at sits more comfortably with the intelligent design position that Geocentrism tends to imply, rather than with the heliocentrists and their claim of 'coincidence.'"
Dr. Neville T. Jones

"What power other than supernatural could cause the sun to oscillate ( spiral ) from the northern Tropic of Cancer to the southern Tropic of Capricorn in six months then alter its path and spiral north for six months to again repeat the cycle?" Philip Madsen

"An Earth system model wherein the sun goes around the Earth following the ecliptic path that is inseparable from the heliocentric model is not required at all in the Geocentrism model... Using the 'solar system' heliocentricity path of orbit on a Geocentrism model doesn't work because that path is not actually part of the Geocentrism model." Marshall Hall

The "quasars" are what led people like Hawking to notice that the Earth was in the center of the universe, so I'm not "resorting" to any hammer cracking of eggs. Maxwell said there was absolute space, the basis of Geocentrism, and his equations prove it. Einstein said no. You argue with them. As for Einstein, if you want to believe that lengths shrink when an object moves, time changes in the process, and its mass increases, just so you can explain the anomalies of Michelson's experiment, that's your privilege, but I'd just assume to answer it by saying that mass, time and length stay the same and the Earth isn't moving, and I'm just as "scientific" as you for saying so. Robert Sungenis

"I always thought of the Big Bang theory as just being a silly speculation.

I consider the theory to be a sign that universities are allowing all sorts of goofballs to get college degrees, especially in math and physics.

And then after they get a college degree, since they can't do anything productive, they just waste their time creating idiotic theories." E.H.

"Everyone has a god; either himself, Jim Jones, Satan, The State, impersonal evolutionary forces, or The Creator God of the Christian Holy Bible. God created you with a special purpose in mind."

"The zionist theoretical science network is gigantic and worldwide. They create one false-science government funding scam after another. We must get rid of the entire network. We are in a battle against deceptive intelligence. Don't let the zionists outsmart you!"

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Question:

We can't get to the altitude of 22,236 statute miles
above mean sea level to prove that there is no orbital
movement of the "geosynchronous" satellites.

Answer:

"It works both ways. They can't get there either to prove
that there IS orbital movement of the "geosynchronous" satellites.

[ The maximum altitude for the Space Shuttle is 600 miles, and the International Space Station is at 220 miles altitude.

"Falsifiability is an important notion in science. For an assertion to be falsifiable it must be logically possible to make an observation or to do a physical experiment that would show the assertion to be false. Scientists have asserted that no emperical hypothesis, proposition, or theory ( like the "geosynchronous" proposition) can be considered scientific if no observation could be made which might contradict it." ]

We ( geocentrists ) have the observational evidence, while they ( heliocentrists ) must assume Earth's rotation. And if you assume rotation, you have to assume Earth orbit around the sun, another violation of what we observe. These assumptions cannot be made without also assuming the atmosphere velcroed to the Earth at 67,000 MPH; reversing the observed moon's direction of travel and speed; and denying the observational and photographical evidence of the stars going around every 23 hours and 56 minutes.

The heliocentrists get off too easily by just assuming geosynchronous movement of those geostats. This whole package of assumptions goes with their first assumption. And, lest we forget, observational validation is science; assumptions which contradict observational validations must be accounted as invalidated hypotheses. This is not the way to truth in science.

Then, of course, for any who might claim to be Bible-believing Christians (or open to being such), there is the hard Scriptural insistence that it is the sun that moves and not the Earth...with not a single verse supporting heliocentricity.

On top of all this, throw in the now documented FACT that heliocentricity is one of the indispensable components of the Big Bang Paradigm which is now known to be an alternate "creation scenario" of the Pharisee Religion derived from ancient Rabbinic writings in the mystic Kabbala... These "Sages" also supply the 15 billion year age of the universe that makes possible the alleged 4.6 billion year old Earth and all the factless evolutionary fantasies leading up to the origin of mankind. The whole world has been told the lie that "evolution science" ( which, of necessity, includes heliocentricity ) is "secular science". It isn't.

Personally, it appears to me that what I have in the new link on the geosynch/geostat debate about the "virtual geostats" going both clockwise and counterclockwise could well be the elusive classic flaw in the helio model.

Given the above--amplified and explained appropriately to any open-minded audience--I believe the available ammunition geocentrists have is totally capable of rebutting any dogmatic assertions or firefights that the heliocentrists care to--or dare to--enter into.....We should unload the whole clip on them any time they provide the opportunity." Marshall Hall www.fixedearth.com

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"So I told the suckers, the satellite only appears to be stationary because it is orbiting synchronously with a rotating Earth.

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Geocentric/Heliocentric Comments

Question/Statement:

"To beg the question: to pass over or ignore a question by assuming it to be established or settled; to assume as proven the very thing one is trying to prove. Example - to pass over or ignore the question of 'Is the Earth moving?' by assuming it to be established or settled; to assume that the Earth is moving when trying to disprove that the Earth is not moving."

Answer: by Allen Daves

1: "Excellent. Since there is no observation or experience that the Earth is moving without assuming that the Earth is indeed moving ( begging the question ) therefore the only logical course to begin from is a model of the Earth absent of any movement and then attempt to prove or demonstrate any movement, if any. Of course all the experiments, without begging the question, would lead one to the conclusion that the Earth is in fact not in motion. It is only via the assumption of its movement, which was never demonstrated to begin with, that one can even begin to explain away the observations and experience that are consistent with the only logical positions to start from, namely that the Earth is without any demonstrable motion. Therefore to assume that the Earth does in fact move is to build upon a foundation of sand and to suggest that it is or must be moving because it could be in some theoretical or imaginary framework, and then to call it science, is not only a circular fallacy but is, well.... quite silly!"

2: The whole concept of larger objects going around smaller objects begs the question without knowledge of what and where the center of mass for all the objects in question ( the universe ) is in the first place. You must start with what you have not with what you imagine. To start with a model with no motion of the Earth is not a proof for or against Earth motion nor does it assume anything. It is the only logical position from which to begin the experimental and theoretical process necessary to ascertain any proof for or against. The model itself is not proof, it is only a premise or foundation for the discovery process. As stated many times one must logically begin with what you have not with what you do not have, and since proof for motion is the question, any model that assumes motion or interprets the data in terms of motion that is used to support or build upon a case for motion is a circular fallacy. Whereas taking observations and conducting experiments with no assumptions of motion is simply beginning with what you have. What you have does not include any argument or justification for incorporating that idea into ones interpretations of observations. To look out and see other objects in the heavens move does not tell you what is absolute motion, or what or whether or not you would and could feel/detect those motions if you were there ... and since you are not there ... think about that for a while.

3a: We woke up in a world where things appear to move around us. We had and have no sensation of movement itself. That is where this whole question of the Earth's movement must and did begin ... "everything moving around me." From that point a process of observation and experience then proceeds to ascertain what is and what is not moving. Well, those experiments which were conducted to make that distinction did show that the Earth is indeed NOT moving. The observations of mass centered on the Earth also promote the Earths centrality of that position as well. You cannot interpret those observations and experiments in light of a heliocentric framework because that is what those experiments and observations are all about. This is your circular fallacy... those who developed and conducted those experiments and observations were not assuming an Earth-centered universe ... ( they were invoking a circular fallacy when they developed and performed them ). An Earth not in motion is exactly what those experiments showed, and the only thing that those observations demonstrate, without invoking circular fallacies about the Earth's movement first. It amazes me that you cannot see just how ridiculous your argument is and the fact that the only way to even begin to interpret data as consistent with the heliocentric theory is to assume that heliocentricity is preferred. There has been no experiment conducted on Earth with regard to gravity or any other theory that demonstrates anything other than what the initial observations and experiments show. They do not show things moving around you without invoking the heliocentric circular fallacy first.

3b: Heliocentricity is not logically plausible based on what is available without assuming that what you do not have is real. Your position makes no sense without assuming that heliocentricity is preferred first ... which is what everything that led up to and including today's model of heliocentricity was developed to prove in the first place. The problem is that nothing ever did prove heliocentricity without assuming that heliocentricity was the preferred conclusion to begin with, which is what it is trying to prove! Why is it so hard for you guys to grasp your arguments utter ridiculousness? Until you have observations and experience for Earth's movement your position is as plausible as aliens and abductions... thus we should build our lives around the "fact" that they are the most reasonable and plausible explanation for all unknown phenomena!? Your arguments and examples are in fact examples, not of heliocentricity's plausibility, but rather foolishness of the highest order. Demonstrate or concede but don't use Geocentrism's evidence for heliocentricity by begging the question that heliocentricity is preferred ... because until you have that evidence for heliocentricity all the evidence supports Geocentrism without assuming anything. Starting with the very first observation ever made namely the sky is moving around you but you have no sensation of movement. All subsequent observations and experiments have been consistent with no movement of the Earth and not one has shown itself to be for heliocentricity without assuming heliocentricity is preferred first, which is the question you beg and the circular fallacy you without fail, must invoke!

4a: If you are going to appeal to observation and experiment as the solid foundation of "reasoning the issue out" then you can't appeal to theory when observation and experiment do not support that position. Theories about the aether are irrelevant. What is observed and experimentally verified, as so far as it has been conducted in every case attempted, is that relative motion can be easily distinguished from absolute motion via the effects that motion has on light in every case ever observed or performed. There is no other logical conclusion based on observation and experiment that can be logically concluded without imagining and/or assuming some other construct first, without having observational or experimental support for such a thing. You keep invoking circular fallacies and attempting to justify them via your theories and "it could" but when someone points out that it could just as well mean something else you appeal to "observations". Which is it? If you bother to think about it for any length of time you will see that in either case, theory or observation, Geocentrism is the only position that has all the possible and logically sound arguments based on what is available/observed in the past and present. Whereas heliocentricity is built on what is not observed or experienced. As for illusions, that position only makes any sense whatsoever if you have a justification for "it's an illusion" otherwise this conversation itself could just be an illusion! To say that, "it could", therefore that is the most reasonable explanation is ridiculous as well as circular. The universe does not behave disorderly unless you assume that first - that is a fundamental difference between heliocentricity and Geocentrism. When we look out we can see some smaller objects orbiting larger objects but we do not see all smaller objects orbiting some larger objects. All assertions to that fact do assume that to be the case. But the sun circles me, I do not see me circling the sun without assuming that is what is really going on first. As for experiments and observations here on Earth we can distinguish between motion and non-motion regardless of how many "frames" we attempt to create via optical gyroscopes. There is no experiment that demonstrates that there is such a thing as a local reference frame that can be isolated from any other reference frame. So what experiments you are attempting to put forward and what laws of gravity and motion you keep trying to appeal to, do not exist to prove your conclusion without assuming your conclusion is true first. The whole heliocentric position is built on a house of cards and what's worse - none of them rate any higher than a Joker.

4b: The disagreements that do exist between the various Geocentric scientists have absolutely no bearing on the fact that the only experience available to man -observational or experimental - are only consistent with Geocentrism and are not consistent with heliocentricity without assuming ( begging the question ) that the universe is heliocentric first ... that the universe is something other than what can be demonstrated from observation and experiment, if that's the case then they should have no problem with us Jesus folks, otherwise there is no observation or experiment demonstrating heliocentricity without assuming it is true first ( begging the question ). The heliocentrists position is not only logically untenable but has, by its own refusal to accept observation and experiment when it conflicts with its predetermined conclusion about the Earth's motion, has in effect created a "science" that can never prove anything - "ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth" of anything. If imagination is the justification for heliocentricity then it is not "science". If observation and experiment are to be the benchmarks then there is no room for the heliocentric theory except in one's imagination!

5: I have and am pointing out that GC/GS ( Geocentric/Geostationary) is the only logically deduced conclusion that one can make that can be demonstrated, because you cannot reach any other conclusion without imagining what cannot or has not been observed or experienced.

Yes "theoretically" the sun or the Earth could be moving but only one of those theories/reasons ( why things look they way they do ) can be demonstrated as a logically deduced conclusion whereas the other cannot without invoking pure imagination first. If you go outside, look up and see something traverse from your left to your right ( could be a bird or could be a plane ) your first impulse is not, "Hey I am moving", without observation and experiment ( O&E ) that tells you that...that would be foolish. Now, what tells you the sun is not doing the moving without imagining it first? Yes it could be. But you cannot show a logically deductive path for such a conclusion even if it were true. Therefore you cannot claim that the theory that you are moving is the most plausible explanation for what you observe any more so than with a bird or a plane.

What you seem to miss is that a theory and a logical deduction do not follow each other automatically. Feel free to theorize whatever you like but true science claims logical theories as the best ones -and rightly so. They just don't always employ the logical ones. As with you they sometimes prefer imagination over logical deduction. Fine, but don't call it reasonable or the most plausible; there is no logic in that reason nor can you even show it any more plausible without begging the questions, or else you can suppose there are aliens that live in my attic as the theory and reason for all my troubles... Allen Daves

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Einstein: Relativity Hoax HERE. Plagiarist of the Century HERE.

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"You talk as if HC was a proven fact or that you HAD any facts external of just your faith in others' interpretations of them that HC were true!?...LOL... You can’t prove HC theory and neither can Dr. T! If he could he would be more famous than Einstein or Hawking himself. In fact for every HC piece of evidence, that same "evidence" shows GC at face value. And, as of yet, not you nor anyone else has given us a reason to interpret it other than "What You See Is What You Get", except that "it could be" and it is more "modest"...LOL...That is objective criteria!!?? LOL...your and Dr. T's "modesty" is a feeling not a scientific observation, certainly not objective data!..Give me break!.. Dr. T may not like it but at the end of the day "modesty" is the criteria that the most knowledgeable proponents of HC admit to for the only "proof" ( correct interpretation of data ) of HC!?...and my theory ( GC ) - it is NOT a theory, just takes the facts as is...but you call an odd ball by interpreting facts with nothing more than just your imaginations and "modesty"!?...LOL...You need to take a hard look at yourself. You don't make any sense and neither do any of your arguments. HC does not have the stamp of observation anywhere on it without reinterpreting observations with imaginations and "modesty"? .....There is less actual evidence for HC than for GC. There is NO evidence for HC whatsoever without first invoking circular fallacies about how you think the kinematics of the universe work.

...How does he define modesty and what objective criteria do Hawking and he use to make that opinion? Dr. T is right about one thing though, modesty is not apologetic but immodesty is, HC is not based on modesty it is based on getting rid of God...How is a non-centered universe more modest!?
Dr. T. goes on to say "But that is philosophy - let's get back to science, shall we?" I say great! Dr. T., you and everyone else in the HC camp stop supporting the use of your philosophical humbleness as an objective justification for why and how your interpretations of the facts are more objective than just taking them all at face value. But you can't do that - if you did you would have no observation or experience to support your case. On the other hand if you do not stop doing that then it is you not the GC folk who are using philosophy and religion! This is particularly true when the only consistency in all of the observations and experiments at face value all show a motionless Earth at the center of the universe...! This cannot be said of all the excuses for why the Earth is not the center!? ...except ......"it is more modest"...LOL

In fact it is not modest at all! The whole purpose was and is not science based on objective data in observation or experience at all, but rather to explain everything naturally - absent of God......Well if there is a God, I don’t see how he would see it as modest at all...LOL... :-D . Since we have not been able to prove God does not exist, to claim modesty as the champion of your cause is not only foolish, but quite arrogant ( the exact opposite of humbleness )...LOL...who are you trying to kid...yourself?...I don't buy it, and even logic does not support your assertion!!

That is why the politics is not just important but EVERYTHING when it comes to data that can have multiple interpretations. To say that it is not is a fairytale dreamland. To understand how a conclusion was reached that could have multiple possibilities/ interpretations you must understand what/how the criteria for the decision was made in the first place, particularly when you take a conclusion that demands a model that is other than what you can see or prove!! All is not just facts, if it were then you would have to accept a GC universe... it is the only conclusion you can draw from any and all available facts period. I don’t have to show any other facts than the ones HC purports to be HC proof, because they don’t even remotely show HC without assuming it is true first." Allen Daves
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Exposing the Copernican Deception: The Cataclysmic Impact on Every Field of Modern Man's Knowledge

http://www.fixedearth.com/knowledge%20impact.htm

Excerpt:
"Over three centuries of carefully layered propaganda and indoctrination had defeated and all but buried the Bible's account of a stationary Earth.The outer wall of the Bible's claim to Truth had been battered down by radical members of the scientific priesthood. And now they were on the verge of breaking through the second line of defense with the Evolution battering ram. This breakthrough was designed to defeat and bury not only the Creation account of man created in the image of God, but the whole Creation scenario set out in the Bible. No Creation; no Garden of Eden; no Satan; no Temptation; no Fall; no need for Jesus to redeem from the fallen condition.... What's left of Christianity but a bunch of rituals and traditions?!"

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The Size and Structure of the Universe According to the Bible and Non-Theoretical Science. Part I Star Reflections in The Biblical Model

http://www.fixedearth.com/Size%20and%20Structure%20Part%20I.htm

Excerpts:
"...the Big Bang Model ruling today's cosmology is handcuffed to the Copernican Heliocentricity Model... both of these Models are built solely on contra-scientific assumptions held together by occult mathematics and fraudulent use of computerized technology."

"...in purely Biblical terms there is a large but limited number of stars being REFLECTED off a watery shell... The very entrance of the concept of reflections into an understanding of how the universe is perceived is unavoidable in Scripture and undeniable in basic optical science."

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The Size and Structure of the Universe According to the Bible and Non-Theoretical Science. Part II Highly Reflective Water Crystals

http://www.fixedearth.com/Ssize%20and%20Structure%20Part%20II.htm

Excerpt:
"A global dome encases all that is in the universe. Its undersurface is covered, or strategically embedded, with highly reflective water crystals... such incredible designs are capable of sending innumerable scattered reflections, accompanied by a full range of spectrum colors for Redshift Theorists to play with and continue to expand their Expanding Universe fantasy."

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The Size and Structure of the Universe According to the Bible and Non-Theoretical Science. Part IV Star-Trails

http://www.fixedearth.com/Size_and_Structure%20Part%20IV.htm

Excerpt:
"It is immensely important for those who don't like being deceived to step back and decide for themselves which is an illusion and which is the truth about this observable and photographable phenomena [ of star trails ]. One of the chief reasons why it is immensely important is that this whole business about the stars having to go around the Earth every night is what makes or breaks either the Biblical or the Kabbalic Big Bang Model of the Universe. Both models are totally dependent on the truth or falsity of the "explanation" for what we can see and what the photographs show."

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The Size and Structure of the Universe According to the Bible and Non-theoretical Science Part VI

http://www.fixedearth.com/Size%20and%20Structure%20Part%20VI.htm

Excerpt:
NASA's pre-programmed software for its computerized telescopes and cameras, both land based and on space vehicles, is a ready-made setup for fraud in pursuit of its goal to present the world with "confirmation" of evolving life in outer space. That stated goal: "to find our cosmic roots" is the heart of NASA's "Origins Program" and no lie is too big to bring it to pass. Does anyone have the remotest doubt that the pre-programmed software in those telescopes and cameras is 100% locked into the "math" based on an orbiting Earth and all of the fanciful fabrications of distances that we've seen up to now? Don't we all know that whoever controls the programming of computer software controls the results the computer gives?

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Falsifying the Geosynchronous Satellite Concept
http://www.fixedearth.com/geosynchronous_sa.htm

Excerpt:
"We do not have to search very far for the only force known to man that could cause the satellite to "hang" there motionless just as well over a hundred of them are doing as we speak. Would not electromagnetic forces in perfect balance top and bottom throughout that 165,000 miles of invisible "tubing" allow the satellites to be popped into a slot anywhere along the tube and hang there essentially motionless?"

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Sixty-seven ( 67 ) Scriptural References Which Tell Us That It Is The Sun And Not The Earth That Moves:

http://www.fixedearth.com/sixty-seven%20references.htm

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Important updated ( September 10, 2007 ) paper by
Dr. Neville T. Jones

Geostationary satellites in a geocentric universe
Click here: ( takes 20 seconds to load pdf file )
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/geosat.pdf

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Academic qualifications of Dr. Neville T. Jones, PhD:

1. Ph.D. - Doctor of Philosophy in Physics
2. D.I.C. - Diploma of the Imperial College
3. M. Sc. (Phys) - Master of Science in Physics
4. M. Sc. (Comp) - Master of Science in Computing Science
5. B. Sc. (Hons) - Bachelor of Science, Honours in Physics and Computer Science
6. Formerly of the Clarendon Laboratory, Oxford University, England

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Geocentrism Evidence 1 - Scientific papers - by Dr. Neville T. Jones, PhD:

a) A gravitational field different from that of Newton
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/Gravity.pdf

b) Geosynchronous satellites in a geostationary universe
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/geosat.pdf

c) On the equivalence of the heliocentric and geocentric models
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/Equivalence.pdf

d) Stellar distances and the age of the universe
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/Stellar%20distances.pdf

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Geocentrism Evidence 2 - Flower Pattern Discovery
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/Stellar%20distances.pdf
by Steven Jones

"...no objects other than the World display regularity and symmetry, in complete contrast to the situation when the World is centred; ...... only on the World are all the paths uniform and beautiful."

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Geocentrism Evidence 4 - Restoring Forces - by Dr. Neville T. Jones, PhD
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/page65.htm

"However, such a field [ a vector field that exerts a force on air molecules ] does not exist, for if it did we would find it exceedingly difficult to travel in any direction other that around our particular parallel of latitude in an eastwardly direction."

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Geocentrism Evidence 5 - Negative Parallax - by Dr. Neville T. Jones, PhD

"... it is an indisputable fact that stellar parallax, like the phases of Venus, has been widely cited as "proof" that the World orbits the Sun. This is unfortunate, since the phenomenon proves no such thing. The only thing it does prove is that either the World is moving with respect to the stars, or that the stars are moving with respect to the World."

"... so modern astrophysics maintains the misconception that parallax 'proves' the Kopernican philosophy of the World hurtling around the Sun, by ignoring and dismissing the entire dataset of negative parallax measurements."

"... such vast distances [ to the stars ] were originally borne of paradigm-supporting necessity and although they may appear to be confirmed by trigonometric parallax calculations, it should be remembered that this technique is itself based upon the heliocentric assumption that it is used to support."

More: http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/page26.htm

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Geocentric Universe 3.0 is a one of a kind multimedia planetarium that depicts a small geocentric universe with an Earth at rest. With beautiful graphics this program clearly describes all of the necessary kinematics involved with such a creation-orientated cosmology.

http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/shop.htm - by Neville and Steven Jones

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Statement/Question ( in response to one page Geocentrism email sent ):

If you had any scientific education at all you would neither read nor send such uneducated drivel. First - the Bible is completely unsubstantiated - you might as well quote the King Arthur legends. Second - it's totally irrelevant whether the Earth is seen as moving or fixed. The only thing that matters is the RELATIVE motion of one body against another - that's what Einstein is all about.
The importance of the Copernican model is that it makes the mathematics way simpler. A "fixed Earth/moving universe" model is totally unworkable mathematically. There is great elegance in the Earth orbiting the sun solution. But it doesn't matter - they both move in the same way relative to each other regardless of your point of view. If you were on the Sun you would see the Earth orbiting the sun.

To say that the Earth is fixed and the sun orbits it, is as ridiculous as saying the moon is fixed and the Earth orbits it. In relative terms that is another solution but very complex and inelegant. Please don't send me this psycho babble voodoo science anymore - it really pisses me off."

Answer:

1. "Only when we hit a nerve, does this kind of emotional reaction come forth. You've challenged his religious Idol, that is, false science.
First - substitute "evolution science" for "Bible" and finish the sentence.

Second - "irrelevant"?! He knows how relevant it would be if the Earth is shown to be stationary after centuries of theoretical science ( oxymoron ) has assumed the issue settled and then that Einstein buried the issue forever with his juvenile "thought experiments" about "relativity".
Heliocentricity makes the math simpler?! What a joke! Whole new "reconstructed mathematics and physics" have to be created for each of the seven observation-denying assumptions that are built into the Pharisee Religion's Kabbalic universe...which he thinks is not in the picture at all, and everything involved on his side is altruistic "secular science". He is in for a big surprise. May God grant him the grace to change when the time comes when that option will be given to the whole world." Marshall Hall

(a) He does not understand the term "scientific."

(b) Einstein assumed the World to be orbiting the Sun; he did not in any way, shape or form prove it to be doing so.

(c) "The importance of the Copernican model is that it makes the mathematics way simpler." He clearly does not understand the mathematics involved in either system, or he would not make a statement that is contrary to the truth.

(d) "A fixed Earth/moving universe model is totally unworkable mathematically." Nope.

(e)Funny how so many adopt this knee-jerk reaction to things that they do not comprehend, but which they inherently dislike. Neville T. Jones, Ph.D.

"The importance of the Copernican model is that it makes the mathematics way simpler."
The Copernican model was with the same circular motions and even more epicycles than the Ptolemeus model. M.V.

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Statement/Question:

"The issue of whether the sun orbits the Earth, or whether the Earth orbits the sun, or whether they both orbit each other depends on how you want to look at it. This is an issue that doesn't affect anybody. It's like arguing whether maps are upside down. Why is "north" pointing to the top of the map? Why not turn the map upside down so that Australia and Antarctica are at the top? This is an issue that doesn't mean anything to anybody. It's wasting time to discuss it."

Answer:

1. "In terms of theology one position calls God a liar the other does not. In terms of science one is "the reality" the other is a "fairy tale". In both cases the effects are direct and real for both theology ( how Scripture is applied or denied ) as well as how the universe really works so as to obtain the greatest possible benefits by exercising the real possibilities that exist for future technologies and its benefits to mankind based on a real knowledge rather than just being content with a status quo of willful apathy and ignorance." Allen Daves 2. "The truth doesn't depend on "how you look at it". The Earth is either moving or it isn't. One is the truth and one is a lie. The Bible and all known science say it the sun and not the Earth that moves. Maybe you don't care, but you don't want to include everybody in the world in that category, do you? If it's the Bible that you don't like because it's religious, then you won't like the other view either because it too comes from a "holy book" (Kabbala) of a certain religion (Phariseeism). You may change your mind if you check out the facts and how we've all been deceived on this matter." Marshall Hall

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Question/Statement:

What I'd like are a few salient points of pure science that speak
to the extreme problems with Copernicus' theory. MRJ

Answer:

1:
"Of all the attempts in the last 400 years to prove Copernicus' theory, the best that the "experts" admit to is that it has never been proven and in fact they can't prove any of it period via the necessity to invoke relativity ( everything is relative, with no absolutes )...however they say, "it is true because it makes the most sense". It is the worldview that is and always was at the heart of the whole issue, not the science." Allen Daves

2:
"Of all the experiments and observations ever performed and conducted to settle this very question through the centuries, show the Earth either motionless as described by MS ( Mainstream Science ) or is in fact at the center of numerous and very distinct shells of distribution of all matter in the universe. In short, there is no other conclusion that anyone can draw about the movement and location of the Earth in the universe without invoking the Copernican worldview first, which is a circular fallacy because it is the Copernican worldview that the observations
would have to demonstrate first in order to logically invoke them
in any explanation of what you observe around you." Allen Daves

"This is a very worthy suggestion/request.

(i) In Geostationary Cosmology, the World does not rotate.

(ii) In Geostationary Cosmology, the World does not orbit the sun.

(iii) Hence, in Geostationary Cosmology, the motions we see are real.

(iv) In Heliocentric Cosmology, the World rotates at a speed that varies with latitude, yet this is supposedly indiscernable.

(v) In Heliocentric Cosmology, the World is going around the sun at 25x the speed of a rifle bullet, yet this is supposedly indiscernable.

(vi) Hence, according to Heliocentric Cosmology, the motions we sense are unreal and those that are real we cannot sense." Dr. Neville Jones

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Statement:

"I'm quite satisfied that heliocentrism has not been proven scientifically but that the Geocentric case has. GWW ( Galileo Was Wrong ) is a book that ... has brought together much of the scientific evidence for Geocentrism, and the obvious prejudicial way in which it has been, not just dismissed, but eradicated from the text books. To me this gives even more credence to the Biblical account of creation. The same goes for evolution and the materialistic explanation that everything came from nothing with no external help. Scientifically speaking this must be the bizarrest idea ever conceived, because it is utterly impossible whereas a Creator makes plain common sense." Jack Lewis

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Super-smart, Highly-educated University Graduates and PhD's

"...... and why does S.H. ( professor and Ph.D. ) imply that the heliocentricity idea is really true as the official Theoretical Science Establishment claims? You might respond that he has simply not had the time to look at the Geocentric facts, and that he may find the time to deal with that issue later. As I have tried to explain many times, we are foolish to make excuses for people in leadership positions. Instead of excusing their stupidity and ignorance, we should tell them to find another job, and let somebody with more abilities take their position.

S.H. claims to be a highly-educated and intelligent person with the ability to analyze Einstein's theories and show us that Einstein plagiarized those theories. However, if he's that intelligent and educated, he should take about thirty minutes to figure out that the heliocentric stationary-sun idea is a hoax, and maybe twenty minutes to figure out that the Apollo moon-landing was a hoax. I'm just a lowly high-school graduate, and once I looked at the information on Geocentrism, it only took me forty minutes to figure out that heliocentricity was a hoax. Therefore, these super-smart, highly-educated university graduates and PhD's should be able to do it in less time than me."

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"... a lot of the information that's taught at school is inaccurate, and some of it is Zionist propaganda. Take a look at how many college graduates believe in heliocentricity and the Apollo moon landing. Those graduates wasted thousands of dollars and many years of their lives to memorize Zionist propaganda. They are suckers."

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Question/Statement (by Geocentrist):

From the point of view of physics, there is no fundamental difference between a ball being thrown upwards and a helicopter flying upwards. In each instance, any velocity inherited from its takeoff point in a horizontal plane will be conserved, thus the ball will return to your hand when sitting in a moving railway carriage and a helicopter flying strictly up and down will land in its takeoff position on a rotating Earth.

Response: (by Geocentrist):

I tried to give you a little hint when I mentioned the fact that the trajectory of the ball that comes 'straight back down' was a parabola. Furthermore, my 'constraints', had you have bothered to ask, include the time that the ball was out of the thrower's hands......The helicopter has a particular tangential component of velocity, which does not increase during the time it is aloft. Depending on how high it goes and how long it is off the ground for, it will only traverse a vertical path in the geostationary case. In the heliocentric case it's tangential velocity would also need to increase as a function of altitude for it to appear to come straight back down. Dr. Neville T. Jones

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Quote:

"It is irritating even to have to argue with someone who has a contra-Geostationary worldview because it dignifies the incredible gall of heliocentrists who think they can contradict the most obvious scientifically observed evidence, and what's worse, use Geocentrists' tax dollars to explore the false worldview of heliocentricity but deny Geocentrists the use of heliocentrists' tax dollars to explore the correct worldview of Geocentrism."

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Statement:

"I am afraid, that just one fact that can be shown to contradict a whole load of [heliocentric] assumptions is entirely sufficient to bring the whole deck of cards built with those assumptions down. This applies in science, logic, mathematics, law, theology and history." Dr. Neville T. Jones

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Statement/Question:

"It is widely accepted, although not by me, that the moon causes the tides. It is also widely accepted, although not by me, that there exists a zero-gravity point situated somewhere between the World and moon.

My question is this: If the ocean were situated at the zero-gravity point, then there would be no tide. Closer to the World the pull of the World is stronger. Closer to the moon the pull of the moon is stronger. The net effect, this side of the zero-gravity point, is always a positive pull by the World. Since this is equivalent to a force of gravity that produces a stronger pull as we take the oceans further this side of the zero-gravity point, then how does the moon produce the tides?" Dr. Neville T. Jones

Response:

"IT DOES NOT DIRECTLY, ONLY INDIRECTLY. Hooray! I’m so glad finally someone else sees this issue too. Further, the tides are one of the major reasons why I model gravity as a vibration, for The Alias Effect shows that the position of the sun and moon has a relationship to gravity on Earth but tides demonstrate that they are not directly related due to the whole satellites issues as well as atmosphere. However, in vibrational gravity the positions of CB's ( Celestial Bodies ) will affect the vibrational wave. In short, the tides are caused by the squeezing effect of the gravity vibration, that is to say, that there is no additional or absence of gravity force, only a uneven squeezing effect that is a result in part due to sun/moon/background-stars positioning ( The Alias Effect proves this ). A vibration is the only known physical explanation that can account for that effect while producing a non-detectable gravity force in all of its anomalies, which are not anomalies but rather clear indicators that gravity is a vibration of aether waves. No other known physical construct could account for all those things." Allen Daves

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"There is something about 'space' that they don't want you to know." E.H.

July 27, 2007 - THIS JUST IN this morning ... a rocket test exploded at the Rutan [ of SpaceShipOne fame ] test facility in the Mohave desert killing and injuring a number of people ... nitrous oxide fuel which is not considered "explosive" was the cause ... at this point the cause of the explosion is unknown ... my question ... coupled with the adjacent headline that NASA computers were "compromised" before shipment to the ISS space station ... leads me to think that also given the time-line of August 12th and the impending passage of the "security bill" by congress ( to protect you from "terror" ) and all the other issues coming down the pike right now ... this raises the serious question as to whether Rutan's operation was sabotaged ... i have told you all along that private space ventures are not on the list of "OK" items with the new world order bunch who think that space is their private playground and have the host of black ops behind the scene operations going on ( the real space program ) ... more on this as it develops ... jim mccanney http://www.jmccanneyscience.com

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"The purpose of the Michelson-Morley experiment was to measure the speed of the World with respect to the aether. They obtained an almost null result.

Hence, Messieurs Michelson and Morley ought to have at least included the following in their conclusions: "The World gives no indication of motion with respect to the aether." Perfectly reasonable statement, I would have thought.

However, the most obvious conclusion is not even mentioned. Rather, four other "reasons" are invented in order to cover the egg on their faces - and for this, Albert Michelson won the Nobel Prize for physics.

Still, if the Braggs' can get a Nobel Prize for a bit of high school trigonometry, then why shouldn't Michelson get one for failing to demonstrate what everyone just "knows" to be true?" Dr. Neville T. Jones, PhD

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The State is Satan's agent to establish and expand Satan's kingdom on Earth.

The Family is God's agent to establish and expand God's Kingdom on Earth.

Luke chapter 4 verses 5-8:
And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms [ States ] of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

"If you now work for the government [ The State ], the biggest contribution you can make to America is to quit your job and find work in the private sector. If you are responsible and conscientious, the market place is full of opportunity for you. And when you put your efforts into private industry, you will be producing wealth - i.e., products and services that people want, not services they are forced to take".
Robert J. Ringer, Restoring The American Dream, Page 283
Published by QED, Distributed by Harper and Row, Publishers New York, 1979

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"I have often said that the person who affirms the Biblical worldview and who practices the Biblical apologetic can easily and conclusively defeat any non-Christian. It does not matter whether the non-Christian is an atheist, a Muslim, a Buddhist, or a Catholic and it does not matter even if the non-Christian is highly educated. In fact, I have even stated that even a toddler who has been trained in Biblical apologetics can crush any professor of science or philosophy. Here I will go even further. I will assert that even a person who is mentally limited or damaged in some way, but who can nevertheless communicate in fragmented statements ( e.g. a person with Downs Syndrome ), can still defeat any non-Christian scientist or philosopher." Vincent Cheung
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Which Eventually Triumphs - heliocentricity or Geocentrism?

Isaiah 14, verses 12-15 [ changed from general to specific topic ]

"How art thou fallen from heaven,

O Lucifer, father of heliocentricity!

how art thou cut down to deceiving with heliocentric theory,
which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my heliocentric theory
above the Geocentrism of God:
I will sit also upon
the mount of the Geocentric Universe,
in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights
of the clouds;
I will be like the most High.

Yet thou Satan and your heliocentric deception shalt be brought down to hell,
to the sides of the pit. Bible, King James Version

"When Babylon Falls there will be no one anywhere who can escape a face-to-face confrontation with the two contenders for their allegiance, that is, God and Satan. God's weapons against His created and foredoomed antithesis ( Satan ), who "has no truth in him" are the Truths that everybody in the world will have to deal with when Babylon Falls. The "war" of Revelation 17 which Jesus wins is a global Truth Tsunami which will leave no anti-Bible lie standing." Marshall Hall

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"Only in one's wildest imagination can you even construe the idea that the concentric distribution of mass patterns around the Earth would look the same from anywhere else in the universe. That is not science that is imagination. So there really is no “scientific” reason for construing a rotational Earth orbiting in some imaginary solar system, there never was, particularly when the only real observational post in the real universe is the Earth, from which we see not all smaller objects orbiting larger ones but in fact we observe that the size of objects does not in itself determine which one is orbiting which, any more than all smaller gears in some gear clock sets rotate or turn about larger gears and vice versa. Everything else is just some imaginary set of rules that do not exist from the only real observation point in the universe without accepting some assumed interpretations and conclusions about imaginary observations on other worlds that have never been produced or conducted." Allen Daves

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How many WARS have been fought in the name of The Pharisee Religion...

Above: Ali Ismail Abbas

Below: zionist mid-level managers:

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...is something to think about when people ask, "How many WARS have been fought in the name of science?" They need to understand without equivocation down the line somewhere that what they think is SECULAR science is derived concept for concept from the Pharisee Religion's "holy books" Zohar/Kabbala. Those concepts include: billions of years of evolutionism; heliocentricity; relativity; a "big bang"; an expanding universe...with "superstrings" and "parallel universes" nudging their way into the textbooks. In fairness, these secrets have only been forced out of the closet for about 15 years, and that release has gotten no main-stream media attention or "peer" literature exposure. Just the same, it is now readily available and no one calling himself/herself a scientist in the physics, astronomy, bio-chemistry and related disciplines can have any credibility by going ahead with their support of any or all of the above concepts without letting it be known that they are aware of their source and are aware that the source is religious and NOT secular. Finally, if they choose to stick to that source's concepts regardless of whether or not the source is secular ( as the world has been led to believe ), then they need to present their arguments openly as being derived from the anti-Christ Pharisee Religion's alternate "creation scenario" as set out by Rabbis in its "holy books". This path, of course, is open to all who will take it. Hopefully, honest scientists will simply realize that they - along with the rest of the world - have been duped and turn their skills to the furtherance of truly secular science...beginning, I hope, with the factless heliocentricity keystone that is holding up the whole Pharisaic Big Bang Evolutionary Paradigm. Marshall Hall

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There is zero proof that the Earth is tilted at any angle. It's all based on the observation-denying "science" which tells the world that the Earth is rotating on an "axis" and orbiting the sun. This "science"--as it turns out--is all connected to the Big Bang Paradigm of 15 billion years of evolution which has its concept for concept roots in the Kabbala of the Pharisee religion. It might be a good idea to check all that out before embracing other explanations for historically known climate changes not based on the acceptance of billions of years of evolutionism.

Earthquakes and volcanic activity have always gone on. Only very recently have they been intensely monitored and reported globally. Moreover, the Bible says there will be heightened activity like this, so, if there is an actual increase, why not attribute it to the Biblical forecast instead of the Earth flopping over another alleged twenty-some degrees? Marshall Hall

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The main argument for Copernicus' "mathematical model" was that it answered all the phenomena and was less complicated than Ptolemy's. It seems to answer all the phenomena, but so does a stationary Earth... and Copernicanism is NOT simpler! It nullified observation-backed science, reversed the direction of the moon, established a heliocentric assumption upon which the Kabbalic Big Bang Paradigm with its billions of years of evolutionism could replace Bible Creationism and replace the God of that Creation with a purely naturalistic/atheistic "explanation"... or any other g'd or goddess or Force you want to invent... just so long as it isn't the Biblical God.

Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo and Newton established heliocentricity as a mathematical model in the Physical Sciences... which torpedoed the Bible amidship and gradually put "science" ahead of Scripture. This began to spread to the Biological Sciences--Darwin's grandfather ( Erasmus ) had an "Ape Man" theory in the 18th century. Darwin just gave the idea a "natural selection/survival of the fittest" scientific patina and published it in 1859... setting the stage for the takeover of the Biological Sciences.

You may know what's in the Talmud ( which is undergraduate school for Kabbalists ). The Jews and the rest of us have suffered long enough under this group of Christ-hating Rabbinic Satanists. Marshall Hall

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I don't doubt that there is a money-making devilish motive driving the whole thing with HIV...just as with chemo, radiation, prostate hype, viagra, etc. There is no end to it with the pharmaceuticals. You may have noticed in the links somewhere that the word "sorceries" in Revelation chapter 9, verse 21 is "pharmaceuticals" in the Greek.

Whatever deception there is that is involved in those areas is big, to be sure; but there is no deception out there that is in the same league as heliocentricity. It alone is the unsuspected heartbeat of the one deception that is succeeding in destroying God's eternal Covenant with mankind paid for with the blood of Jesus. That Covenant in all its glorious ramifications is steadily being replaced with the "profane and vain babblings of a science falsely so called" Idol.

If honest folks who say they seek Truth would open their eyes a little wider, they would see that heliocentricity is the Devil's jugular...his Achilles Heel. They could then prioritize and assign at least part of their efforts to getting the facts surrounding this issue into the public consciousness by whatever means that are available to them ( in churches for sure )!

The reason so few step up to the plate on this one is that they too have bowed the knee to the idol at one level or another and they really just can't imagine a way to tackle a deception this BIG without admitting they too have "erred" ... just as God specifically warned they
would ( 1 Timothy chapter 6, verses 20, 21 ). Marshall Hall

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Unless one sticks to a gravity-only explanation -- to the exclusion of electromagnetic forces -- it seems to me that geocentrists have the upper hand far and away in the geostat matter.

I don't know anything about the "gyroscopic reaction" evidence wherein "the wheel will appear to rotate following the sun, every 24 hours". Does that mean "follow the sun" the way we see the sun go ( clockwise ) or the other way ( counter-clockwise )? If the former, where's the problem? If the latter, could not Earth-generated magnetic forces act on the spinning wheel in a contrary way to produce the phenomenon? Personally, I won't scuttle Biblical Geocentrism and all the evidence going for it ( and all the contrary evidence against heliocentricity ) on that little piece of indeterminate "evidence".

And, speaking of the contrary evidence against heliocentricity, everyone seems to be ignoring that huge contra-scientific elephant in the science classroom.... A very big historical fact is now available which forces this whole issue into a framework that is like three more touchdowns in the last quarter when you were already ahead. That fact tells us in no uncertain or arguable terms that "evolution science" ( the whole Big Bang Evolutionary Paradigm of 15 billion years and in which heliocentricty is an indispensable link ) is not...repeat NOT "secular science". Rather, by their own figures and revelations, the whole business is derived from the Kabbala of the Pharisee Religion.

Shall we continue to ignore that double-damning evidence and proceed to treat the Big Bang Paradigm in all its parts as "science" when it is demonstrably an alternative Religious "creation scenario" put in place by a "theoretical science establishment"? I don't think so. Marshall Hall

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Scripture/Catholic/Geocentrism website HERE

Response:
Good information. The great inconsistency of the RCC ( Roman Catholic Church ) in the realm of doctrine is their bulldog tenacity in using the Bible as the final word never to be toyed with on some subjects while simultaneously elevating Biblically non-existent or totally contradictory doctrines and traditions of the church above plain Bible teachings. The sum of their whole approach to Scripture is to extol it as the ultimate source of truth on all it addresses while at the same time denying "Sola Scriptura" when it conflicts with the "commandments and traditions of men" which is the engine that drives that "angel of light" institution. This doublemindedness has done more to undercut and cripple the use of Scripture to advance the truths of God throughout the world than the many contra-Scriptural errors of Protestantism, and, indeed, is equaled only by the covert impact of the Talmudist/Kabbalists in their various guises. The coming "Fall of Babylon" will reveal the dual service to both God and Satan rendered to the world by the RCC for nearly two millennia. As for the hundreds of millions of the faithful who died before that Fall occurs, they, along with other hundreds of millions blinded to God's Truths in other religions ( and no religion ), will be judged on their works according to what they did and did not know ( I John chapter 2 verses 28,29; John chapter 5 verses 28,29; Romans chapter 2 verses 11-16; Revelation chapter 20 verses 11-13. )
Marshall Hall

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Special Proclamation: Give some of your charity dollars to churches or ministries that preach and promote the truth about God's Creation in Genesis of Biblical Geocentrism. Or you could purchase a quantity of this book and CD for distribution yourself......a much better way to lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven. Do not give your money to people like Creflo and Taffi Dollar, who already have two Rolls-Royces and three private jets.

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Moving-Earth DECEPTION continued on page two , three and four

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Other Deceptions:

1. NASA Apollo Moon-Landing Deception: HERE

2. Homeland Security 911 Deception:
listen to 9 megabyte audio: HERE ( may take 30 seconds to load )

3. Dinosaurs Never Existed - Dinosaur Deception: HERE

4. AIDS is NOT an Infectious Disease - HIV Deception: HERE

5. The State is NOT Legitimate - "The Government" Deception: HERE

6. Money Aquired Through Extortion is Theft - Taxation Deception: HERE

7. Church is an Icon that must be Thrown Down - Church Deception: HERE

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I, commonly known as Bernard of the Brauer family
Living soul, man, created by God, free will status
Proficiency in the English language and Christian Bible
Academic degree - Se. M. (Hons) [ that means...... Self-educated man, Honors ]
The free will man has all the unalienable rights and freedoms as provided by Creator God.
Without "The State", at arm's length and without prejudice to my God-given, unalienable Rights.

Comments

Sat, 01/31/2009 - 07:15 — Anonymous

Venus Goes Through Gibbous

Venus goes through gibbous phases, this is impossible in geocentrism. I've seen it myself:

Fri, 02/06/2009 - 21:18 — Anonymous

HelioCentric (Earth Around Sun) vs GeoCentric (Sun around Earth)

I'm no expert in this field. I find it all interesting the back and forth that goes on, but I've never really considered the whole geocentric thing. As someone who is 'spiritual' but not religious (formerly Christian), I am curious in regards to the way that the GC guys seem to want to tie it in with religion. I can't help but wonder why? If earth is GC then good, if it isn't then great. Either way, big deal. GC would no more validate the Bible as being historically reliable or accurate than the belief that CSICOP (for the sake of argument) supposedly not being a complete joke of an organisation would make James Randi less of a moron. It wouldn't.

How does the GC perspective respond to the gibbous phases post? I'm simply curious.

Also, it strikes me that the grounds for believing in the Bible's authenticity are rather shaky, especially if the Church itself admits it does not even know the identity of the various authors of it. The fact that it has been re-written numerous times and constantly edited to fit the neds of the power structure of the time is surely grounds enough to not take it all that seriously. With all the different versions of the Bible floating around and with all the myriad translational errors within it and its very own self-contradictory passages, one wonders how stupid 'God' must actually be. Also, I am interested how the GC guys and gals view the myriad exposes of Christianity and its fallacious and fraudulent origins (assuming they are aware of them).

As someone familiar with altered/expanded states of consciousness, I am wondering if the whole religion thing comes back to fear of death? Since it has been repeatedly demonstrated - for those who have cared to look - that consciousness does not require a body to survive, the question, or at least part of it, seems to be; what then do we need religion or a 'saviour' for? There is nothing to be saved from but belief, and as someone who does not require belief but has firsthand direct knowledge (not belief) of consciousness beyond the cranium, I am interested in how the GC would respond to this point of view. Am I a 'sinner'? An agent of 'Satan'? Was God not originally the source for Satan in the Bible anyway? ('Mastema' - the evil side of God. If you ask me though, with all the smiting and sacrificing of first borns, there was no real need for a separate evil side, he seemed to be doing a good enough job of wantonly shedding blood as it was (see Great Flood))

With all due respect and friendship (we're all in this together after all),

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