The Earth is NOT Moving!! There is NO proof that the Earth rotates on an "axis" daily and orbits the sun annually. None.

The Earth is NOT Moving!!
Moving-Earth DECEPTION!

Printable Geocentrism two-pager to distribute in your city
Printable Geocentrism two-pager to distribute in your city

Facts: by Marshall Hall

The Christian Holy Bible AND True, non-Theoretical Science Declare:

* There is NO proof that the Earth rotates on an "axis" daily and orbits the sun annually. None.

* All calculations for eclipses, the space program, navigation, satellite movements - anything that demands precision and accuracy - are based on a non-moving Earth. Boiled down, heliocentric math is the same as Geocentric math.

* No experiment has shown the Earth to be moving ( much less at 30 times rifle bullet speed in solar orbit and at 250 times RBS around a galaxy. One would think such speeds would flap one's collar a little even if the "science" establishment says no! )

* Multiple experiments have shown the Earth to be stationary.

* Revisionist history reveals the roles that Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Sagan et al have played in foisting this LIE on mankind.

* The logic against a moving Earth is overpowering.

* World-class astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle said take your pick between the two models.

* Copernicanism paved the way for Darwinism ( which then spawned Marxism, Freudism, Einsteinism and Saganism. )

* Star speeds are not a problem when the thickness of the universe is seen to be what it really is, that is, less than half a light day thick ( eight billion mile radius ).

* NASA's space program is labelled "Origins Research" and costs taxpayers mega-bucks. Computerized telescopes are programmed to send back "synthesized images". The "image warper" permits "geometric transformations" while "origins technology... configures the multiple small mirrors..." in these telescopes. Talk about a con job!

* The Bible says The Earth is NOT Moving and cannot be moved. What'll it be folks? False science as the source of absolute truth... or God's Word?

*Left image: Earth is stationary. *Right image ( by Niall Kilkenny ): sun spiral-orbits Earth, that is... sun's path rotates east-to-west nightly with the heavens, and sun oscillates north-south yearly.

More at this Internet Website, by Marshall Hall
www.fixedearth.com

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Introduction to Geocentrism - by Neville Thomas Jones, Ph.D.

Geocentric means World-centred. In particular, a geocentric universe is one in which the centres of the World and of the ( finite ) universe coincide. Observational data, together with our instincts or senses, indicate to us that the universe is in reality geocentric. In addition, all physical experiments designed to demonstrate some alleged motion of the World have consistently produced a null result. Only theoretical ideas support a different interpretation of our surroundings than this. Cosmology is the area of physics which deals with the workings and structure of the universe as a whole.

Ancient cosmologies were invariably geocentric, the main four of which being those due to Apollonius of Perga ( c.262 - c.190 BC ), Hipparchus of Nicaea ( c.190 - c.125 BC ), Claudius Ptolemy ( Latinized form of Klaudios Ptolemaios, c.90 - c.168 ) and Tyge ( Latinized as Tycho ) Brahe ( 1546-1601 ). These are often dismissed as unsound or clumsy, and certainly the deferents, epicycles and equant constructions of the Ptolemaic model, for example, cannot be defended from physical foundations. The situation with modern ideas, however, is no better in either respect, meaning that the fundamental workings of the heavens are just as relevant to us as ever they were in the past.

We feel no motion of the World on which we all live. Furthermore, no experiment in all physics has ever demonstrated that the World moves around the Sun, or that it rotates on an axis. From the standpoint of our senses, therefore, it seems simply common sense to attribute the motion of the Sun, Moon, planets and stars to those objects themselves, rather than to some multi-component, contorted movement of the World. Certainly, to a good approximation, the stars appear to go around us as if they are each attached to the inner surface of a huge celestial sphere, which is itself rotating above our heads from east to west on a celestial north-south polar axis. Figure 1: The celestial sphere.

In some geocentric models of the universe, the Sun goes around the World every day, following a path in the sky called the ecliptic. The seasons are simply explained by the Sun traversing the ecliptic over a period of twelve months, such that the declination of the Sun ( effectively a measure of its height above the celestial equator ) will vary slightly from one day to the next. Contemplation of Fig. 1 will illustrate the mechanism by which the Sun reaches its highest position in the sky on the summer solstice, its lowest position on the winter solstice and that it crosses the equator at the points referred to as the vernal and autumnal equinoxes.

We are currently taught the notion that everything around us sprang into existence, of its own accord, between twelve and twenty billion years ago via an explosion of everything out of nothing. However, the considered opinion of the primary authors of this website is that such a proposal is an untenable fairy-tale.

More at this Internet Website, by Neville T. Jones, Ph.D.
www.geocentricuniverse.com

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Moving-Earth DECEPTION!

The Christian Holy Bible AND True, non-Theoretical Science Declare: The Sun IS Moving and The Earth is NOT Moving!!

Geocentrism (stationary Earth, moving sun) is the Most Exciting, the Fastest Growing and Most Significant Truth Movement on the Internet!

The Geocentrism Cosmogony will Thrive Because it is True. It's Adherents are Multiplying, and are the Most Intelligent of Men and Women.

Last updated: January 27, AD 2008

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Heliocentricity (stationary sun, moving Earth): The Foundation... the Kingpin... the most Satanically Venerated of all False-Science Government Funding Scams!

"Since a stationary Earth is THE foundational creation fact in the Bible, it is also the taproot of Bible credibility! Along with the creation of all biological life and mankind which followed, God's creation of an immovable, stationary Earth constitutes the basis - the taproot - for His "tree of knowledge" with its trunk ( the creation of mankind ) and all its limbs and branches. Satan knows that if he can kill this taproot - this foundational knowledge - with pseudo-science this would cause the whole "tree of knowledge" to wither and die in time. That's why he started there first!" Marshall Hall

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Proof of Geocentric Correctness and Heliocentric Incorrectness:

Meaning of words used in this webpage compilation/portal:

--In Classical Greek language, Geo means Earth and Helio means sun.

--Geocentrism = nonrotating Earth, nonorbiting Earth, no "axial tilt" of Earth, sun spiral-orbits Earth; stars orbit Earth, Earth is center of universe. Universe is small, young, created by God.
Derived from Bible Christianity; Research mostly voluntarily financed by Family paycheck.

--Heliocentrism = rotating Earth, orbiting Earth, Earth has "axial tilt", Earth orbits sun; stars stationary to Earth, Earth is not center of universe. Universe is large, old, evolved by itself.
Derived from Kabbala Pharisaism; Research mostly coercively financed by State taxpayer.

--Geocentrism is scientific and true. Heliocentrism is unscientific and false.

See also these other excellent, original and scholarly websites about Geocentrism ( but each not related and completely independent from the others, and not in total agreement in all aspects or interpretations of Geocentrism or Bible doctrines and themes ):

1. Marshall Hall's www.fixedearth.com ( book order HERE )

2. Neville Jones, PhD and son Steven's www.geocentricuniverse.com ( digital download /cd-rom order HERE )

3. Robert Sungenis and Robert Bennett's "Galileo Was Wrong" ( book/cd-rom order HERE ).

Mainstream Science Lies - Current Threat Level:

General threat level remains at ELEVATED ( Yellow ).

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Start here:

The Earth is NOT Moving!

Facts: ( by Marshall Hall ):

- There is NO proof that the Earth rotates on an "axis" daily and orbits the sun annually. None.

- All calculations for eclipses, the space program, navigation, satellite movements - anything that demands precision and accuracy - are based on a non-moving Earth. Boiled down, heliocentric math is the same as Geocentric math.

- No experiment has shown the Earth to be moving ( much less at 30 times rifle bullet speed in solar orbit and at 250 times RBS around a galaxy. One would think such speeds would flap one's collar a little even if the "science" establishment says no! )

- Multiple experiments have shown the Earth to be stationary.

- Revisionist history reveals the roles that Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Sagan et al have played in foisting this LIE on mankind.

- The logic against a moving Earth is overpowering.

- World-class astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle said take your pick between the two models.

- Copernicanism paved the way for Darwinism ( which then spawned Marxism, Freudism, Einsteinism and Saganism. )

- Star speeds are not a problem when the thickness of the universe is seen to be what it really is, that is, less than half a light day thick ( eight billion mile radius ).

- NASA's space program is labelled "Origins Research" and costs taxpayers mega-bucks. Computerized telescopes are programmed to send back "synthesized images". The "image warper" permits "geometric transformations" while "origins technology... configures the multiple small mirrors..." in these telescopes. Talk about a con job!

- The Bible says The Earth is NOT Moving and cannot be moved. What'll it be folks? False science as the source of absolute truth... or God's Word?

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Introduction to Geocentrism - by Neville Thomas Jones, Ph.D.

Geocentric means World-centred. In particular, a geocentric universe is one in which the centres of the World and of the ( finite ) universe coincide. Observational data, together with our instincts or senses, indicate to us that the universe is in reality geocentric. In addition, all physical experiments designed to demonstrate some alleged motion of the World have consistently produced a null result. Only theoretical ideas support a different interpretation of our surroundings than this. Cosmology is the area of physics which deals with the workings and structure of the universe as a whole. Ancient cosmologies were invariably geocentric, the main four of which being those due to Apollonius of Perga ( c.262 - c.190 BC ), Hipparchus of Nicaea ( c.190 - c.125 BC ), Claudius Ptolemy ( Latinized form of Klaudios Ptolemaios, c.90 - c.168 ) and Tyge ( Latinized as Tycho ) Brahe ( 1546-1601 ). These are often dismissed as unsound or clumsy, and certainly the deferents, epicycles and equant constructions of the Ptolemaic model, for example, cannot be defended from physical foundations. The situation with modern ideas, however, is no better in either respect, meaning that the fundamental workings of the heavens are just as relevant to us as ever they were in the past.

We feel no motion of the World on which we all live. Furthermore, no experiment in all physics has ever demonstrated that the World moves around the Sun, or that it rotates on an axis. From the standpoint of our senses, therefore, it seems simply common sense to attribute the motion of the Sun, Moon, planets and stars to those objects themselves, rather than to some multi-component, contorted movement of the World. Certainly, to a good approximation, the stars appear to go around us as if they are each attached to the inner surface of a huge celestial sphere, which is itself rotating above our heads from east to west on a celestial north-south polar axis. Figure 1: The celestial sphere. In some geocentric models of the universe, the Sun goes around the World every day, following a path in the sky called the ecliptic.

The seasons are simply explained by the Sun traversing the ecliptic over a period of twelve months, such that the declination of the Sun ( effectively a measure of its height above the celestial equator ) will vary slightly from one day to the next. Contemplation of Fig. 1 will illustrate the mechanism by which the Sun reaches its highest position in the sky on the summer solstice, its lowest position on the winter solstice and that it crosses the equator at the points referred to as the vernal and autumnal equinoxes.

We are currently taught the notion that everything around us sprang into existence, of its own accord, between twelve and twenty billion years ago via an explosion of everything out of nothing. However, the considered opinion of the primary authors of this website is that such a proposal is an untenable fairy-tale ( Digital Download/CD-ROM order HERE ).

Complete paper here: http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/page78.htm

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"It's amazing to me that truth seekers can take an historical approach to the Armenian Genocide, 9/11, moon shots, the holocaust, etcetera and do good work uncovering evidence of what would have to be termed important deceptions with potentially wide consequences while, at the same time, judge it to be impossible or unimportant to take an historical approach which reveals that the same culprits driving these deceptions are deceiving the entire world by controlling and manipulating the theoretical science establishment. This demonstrable control has almost destroyed Bible-based Western Civilization's morals, ethics, and just plain truth with its Big Bang Model of 15 billion years of evolution of the universe, Earth, and mankind. Modern man's foundational "knowledge" ( the Origin of all that exists ) has been usurped by the anti-Bible, anti-Christ Pharisee Religion with their "creation scenario" which destroys the Bible's "creation scenario" and destroys all Bible credibility right on through Jesus and Heaven...which is their motive. More, as I show with the Kabbalist's own words in the "Sola Scriptura IV" essay, they claim Satan as their g'd.

Exposing the Copernican lie will absolutely expose and wreck Satan's 6000 years of fine-tuning all the deceptions he has been allowed to make. As you have seen, that lie hasn't the first piece of evidence to uphold it and is totally vulnerable. How to get honest truth seekers to quit majoring in minors and fighting amongst themselves long enough to absorb the facts on all this ( that are now neatly arranged for them ) and begin to hit the Devil and his Pharisee special forces in the jugular where it really counts, I do not know.

But God does. It will happen. It's as close as the One World Government that Bush et al are straining to bring into being ( and thus fulfill 1900 year old prophesies )." Marshall Hall

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"I imagine Mr. H. would be quite interested to KNOW that -- in addition to the

'Intelligent Design' Theistic Evolutionist trickery -- the entire 15 billion year Big Bang evolution model is demonstrably a Virtual Reality computer-programmed fraud... AND is demonstrably extracted from the Pharisee Religion's 'holy book' Talmud/Zohar/Kabbala. In other words, a Zionist controlled alternate 'creation scenario' has been sold to the world as 'secular' science, paid for with tax money, and is very close to destroying Bible Credibility from Genesis through Jesus to Heaven. That's what it is all about. No other 'conspiracy' even comes close to this one." Marshall Hall

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You didn't know that Satan is the g'd of Kabbalist Phariseeism??

You can know HERE.

The Biblical Godhead does not include Satan: HERE.

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The sun and moon both follow a clockwise ( East to West ) spiral orbit around a stationary Earth. Complete orbit time is 24 hours for the sun, 24 hours 50 minutes for the moon ( travelling at 61,158 mph ), and 23 hours 56 minutes for the stars ( called a sidereal day ).

*Next image ( by Niall Kilkenny ): sun spiral-orbits Earth, that is... sun's path rotates east-to-west nightly with the heavens, and sun oscillates north-south yearly:

"The moon follows the sun's spiral orbit but instead of taking 1 YEAR it takes 1
MONTH to complete its north-south spiral."

"The ancient Greeks said that the sun was only about 3 million miles from the Earth. This was the number given by Ptolemy and the great Arab astronomer al-Battani. The rotating Earth people stuck a 9 in front of the 3 and with this mathematical sleight of hand we have a sun whose distance from the Earth is exaggerated 30 times." More:
http://www.reformation.org/stationary-earth.html by Niall Kilkenny

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The unattached and separate thin layer of gas ( atmosphere ) surrounding the Earth's solid and liquid surface is not rotating and is not "velcroed" to the Earth's surface.

Six incorrect beliefs: (i) The Earth is hollow; (ii) The Earth is flat; (iii) The Earth is rotating on an "axis"; (iv) The Earth has an "axial tilt" of 23 degrees; (v) The Earth orbits the sun at 67,000 mph; (vi) The Earth is resting on the backs of four huge elephants which are in turn standing on the back of an enormous turtle.

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"You can trust me because I am a scientist and I consume giga-gobs of taxpayers money, yet I have no Statist or Political Agenda, namely getting "The State" more giga-gobs of taxpayers money."

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"The Big Bang Paradigm in all its parts, including heliocentricity, is not 'secular science' but demonstrably an alternative 'religious creation scenario' derived from the Kabbala of the Pharisee religion and put in place by a 'theoretical science establishment'." Marshall Hall

"Once heliocentrism's religious roots are authenticated the burden upon the USA Courts is to create rulings that prohibit public funding of the Pharisee Religion’s “creation scenario” resting on theoretical "heliocentric science.” Marshall Hall

"If it were found that just one of the major assumptions supporting heliocentricity were in error heliocentricity would no longer be a viable theory."

"...Discarding the seemingly innocuous Equation # 2 [ Newton's inverse-square formula for gravity ] would have enormous consequences for the entire Earth, because with it goes the 'Big Bang' absurdity and the whole of secular cosmology ( which the idea of organic evolution requires in order to sanctify the notion that anything is possible given enough time ). With no publicly-perceived scientific credibility to bolster it anymore, the prevailing Western religion of naturalistic atheistic humanism must then likewise collapse." Dr. Neville T. Jones, Ph.D.

"Unproven assumptions that are required to explain phenomena that are readily explained without the assumptions constitute false science." Marshall Hall

"As for evidence upholding both models in the scientific realm, observational evidence always trumps assumed evidence. In other words, observed, never contradicted factual evidence is scientific truth, and unobserved assumptive evidence which contradicts observed-certified evidence is false. I know of no assumptions that are required in the geocentrism model, and I know of nothing but assumptions that are both interdependent and indispensable to the heliocentricity model." Marshall Hall

"The other major difference between this model and that of Newton is that the force of gravity in the latter is something inherent to anything which possesses mass. In this new model, however, there is no mutual attraction between objects, but only the effect of the gravitational field undeniably exerted by the world upon material objects close to it." Dr. Neville T. Jones, Ph.D.

"We have been unable to find any proof at all that the Earth rotates on an "axis" daily and orbits the sun annually. As far as we can tell, such a theory has never been proven. Also, we have been unable to find any scientists who will agree, by observation and experimentation, to prove Copernicus' theory without including heliocentric assumptions in the model ( which defeats the purpose since the model would already have the assumption of motion built into it )." Thomas Cobb

"I think we're pretty close to throwing out all talk of "gravity" and concluding that all of the phenomena formerly attributed to it is really the working of perfectly balanced interactive electromagnetic forces involving the whole universe with our immovable Earth at the center of it all." Marshall Hall

If you board a helicopter on the east coast of the USA, lift off vertically and hover above the ground for four hours, then set down on the ground again, you will be in the same location that you lifted off from. If the Earth were rotating counter-clockwise at an equatorial speed of 1040 mph then the helicopter should have set down on the west coast of the USA. Therefore the Earth is not rotating.

If the Earth were hurtling through space to orbit the sun at a velocity of 67,062 miles per hour then the Earth's atmosphere would be left behind like a comet's tail. Therefore the Earth is not in solar orbit.

The alleged tilt of the Earth is symbiotically connected to the alleged rotation which in turn is symbiotically connected to the alleged Earth orbit of the sun. Remove one, nothing works in the wholly assumption-based heliocentric model. Marshall Hall

On a clear, calm and sunny day we can go outside and see, feel and observe that it is the sun that is orbiting the Earth and not the Earth orbiting the sun. One can see, feel and sense no movement of the Earth and one can see, feel and sense only stillness. This observation and experiment is scientific.

"If you write outside the reigning paradigm you will not get published, you will have to do it yourself. That requires a large degree of effort and dedication. You will also have to brace yourself for derision and ridicule. People will attempt to "teach" you what you yourself are qualified to teach their teachers."
Dr. Neville T. Jones

"It is worthwhile noting that credibility as regards the sizes of the sun and moon discs producing the observed solar eclipse effect that we marvel at sits more comfortably with the intelligent design position that Geocentrism tends to imply, rather than with the heliocentrists and their claim of 'coincidence.'"
Dr. Neville T. Jones

"What power other than supernatural could cause the sun to oscillate ( spiral ) from the northern Tropic of Cancer to the southern Tropic of Capricorn in six months then alter its path and spiral north for six months to again repeat the cycle?" Philip Madsen

"An Earth system model wherein the sun goes around the Earth following the ecliptic path that is inseparable from the heliocentric model is not required at all in the Geocentrism model... Using the 'solar system' heliocentricity path of orbit on a Geocentrism model doesn't work because that path is not actually part of the Geocentrism model." Marshall Hall

The "quasars" are what led people like Hawking to notice that the Earth was in the center of the universe, so I'm not "resorting" to any hammer cracking of eggs. Maxwell said there was absolute space, the basis of Geocentrism, and his equations prove it. Einstein said no. You argue with them. As for Einstein, if you want to believe that lengths shrink when an object moves, time changes in the process, and its mass increases, just so you can explain the anomalies of Michelson's experiment, that's your privilege, but I'd just assume to answer it by saying that mass, time and length stay the same and the Earth isn't moving, and I'm just as "scientific" as you for saying so. Robert Sungenis

"I always thought of the Big Bang theory as just being a silly speculation.

I consider the theory to be a sign that universities are allowing all sorts of goofballs to get college degrees, especially in math and physics.

And then after they get a college degree, since they can't do anything productive, they just waste their time creating idiotic theories." E.H.

"Everyone has a god; either himself, Jim Jones, Satan, The State, impersonal evolutionary forces, or The Creator God of the Christian Holy Bible. God created you with a special purpose in mind."

"The zionist theoretical science network is gigantic and worldwide. They create one false-science government funding scam after another. We must get rid of the entire network. We are in a battle against deceptive intelligence. Don't let the zionists outsmart you!"

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The following image is a snapshot from the computer simulation program, Geocentric Universe 3.0, by Neville & Steven Jones, a model which is firmly rooted in both scripture and science, and that illustrates the daily rotation of the heavens, about a stationary World that is situated at the very centre of the physical universe created by God. The model may be purchased HERE.

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Question:

We can't get to the altitude of 22,236 statute miles
above mean sea level to prove that there is no orbital
movement of the "geosynchronous" satellites.

Answer:

"It works both ways. They can't get there either to prove
that there IS orbital movement of the "geosynchronous" satellites.

[ The maximum altitude for the Space Shuttle is 600 miles, and the International Space Station is at 220 miles altitude.

"Falsifiability is an important notion in science. For an assertion to be falsifiable it must be logically possible to make an observation or to do a physical experiment that would show the assertion to be false. Scientists have asserted that no emperical hypothesis, proposition, or theory ( like the "geosynchronous" proposition) can be considered scientific if no observation could be made which might contradict it." ]

We ( geocentrists ) have the observational evidence, while they ( heliocentrists ) must assume Earth's rotation. And if you assume rotation, you have to assume Earth orbit around the sun, another violation of what we observe. These assumptions cannot be made without also assuming the atmosphere velcroed to the Earth at 67,000 MPH; reversing the observed moon's direction of travel and speed; and denying the observational and photographical evidence of the stars going around every 23 hours and 56 minutes.

The heliocentrists get off too easily by just assuming geosynchronous movement of those geostats. This whole package of assumptions goes with their first assumption. And, lest we forget, observational validation is science; assumptions which contradict observational validations must be accounted as invalidated hypotheses. This is not the way to truth in science.

Then, of course, for any who might claim to be Bible-believing Christians (or open to being such), there is the hard Scriptural insistence that it is the sun that moves and not the Earth...with not a single verse supporting heliocentricity.

On top of all this, throw in the now documented FACT that heliocentricity is one of the indispensable components of the Big Bang Paradigm which is now known to be an alternate "creation scenario" of the Pharisee Religion derived from ancient Rabbinic writings in the mystic Kabbala... These "Sages" also supply the 15 billion year age of the universe that makes possible the alleged 4.6 billion year old Earth and all the factless evolutionary fantasies leading up to the origin of mankind. The whole world has been told the lie that "evolution science" ( which, of necessity, includes heliocentricity ) is "secular science". It isn't.

Personally, it appears to me that what I have in the new link on the geosynch/geostat debate about the "virtual geostats" going both clockwise and counterclockwise could well be the elusive classic flaw in the helio model.

Given the above--amplified and explained appropriately to any open-minded audience--I believe the available ammunition geocentrists have is totally capable of rebutting any dogmatic assertions or firefights that the heliocentrists care to--or dare to--enter into.....We should unload the whole clip on them any time they provide the opportunity." Marshall Hall www.fixedearth.com

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"So I told the suckers, the satellite only appears to be stationary because it is orbiting synchronously with a rotating Earth.

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Geocentric/Heliocentric Comments

Question/Statement:

"To beg the question: to pass over or ignore a question by assuming it to be established or settled; to assume as proven the very thing one is trying to prove. Example - to pass over or ignore the question of 'Is the Earth moving?' by assuming it to be established or settled; to assume that the Earth is moving when trying to disprove that the Earth is not moving."

Answer: by Allen Daves

1: "Excellent. Since there is no observation or experience that the Earth is moving without assuming that the Earth is indeed moving ( begging the question ) therefore the only logical course to begin from is a model of the Earth absent of any movement and then attempt to prove or demonstrate any movement, if any. Of course all the experiments, without begging the question, would lead one to the conclusion that the Earth is in fact not in motion. It is only via the assumption of its movement, which was never demonstrated to begin with, that one can even begin to explain away the observations and experience that are consistent with the only logical positions to start from, namely that the Earth is without any demonstrable motion. Therefore to assume that the Earth does in fact move is to build upon a foundation of sand and to suggest that it is or must be moving because it could be in some theoretical or imaginary framework, and then to call it science, is not only a circular fallacy but is, well.... quite silly!"

2: The whole concept of larger objects going around smaller objects begs the question without knowledge of what and where the center of mass for all the objects in question ( the universe ) is in the first place. You must start with what you have not with what you imagine. To start with a model with no motion of the Earth is not a proof for or against Earth motion nor does it assume anything. It is the only logical position from which to begin the experimental and theoretical process necessary to ascertain any proof for or against. The model itself is not proof, it is only a premise or foundation for the discovery process. As stated many times one must logically begin with what you have not with what you do not have, and since proof for motion is the question, any model that assumes motion or interprets the data in terms of motion that is used to support or build upon a case for motion is a circular fallacy. Whereas taking observations and conducting experiments with no assumptions of motion is simply beginning with what you have. What you have does not include any argument or justification for incorporating that idea into ones interpretations of observations. To look out and see other objects in the heavens move does not tell you what is absolute motion, or what or whether or not you would and could feel/detect those motions if you were there ... and since you are not there ... think about that for a while.

3a: We woke up in a world where things appear to move around us. We had and have no sensation of movement itself. That is where this whole question of the Earth's movement must and did begin ... "everything moving around me." From that point a process of observation and experience then proceeds to ascertain what is and what is not moving. Well, those experiments which were conducted to make that distinction did show that the Earth is indeed NOT moving. The observations of mass centered on the Earth also promote the Earths centrality of that position as well. You cannot interpret those observations and experiments in light of a heliocentric framework because that is what those experiments and observations are all about. This is your circular fallacy... those who developed and conducted those experiments and observations were not assuming an Earth-centered universe ... ( they were invoking a circular fallacy when they developed and performed them ). An Earth not in motion is exactly what those experiments showed, and the only thing that those observations demonstrate, without invoking circular fallacies about the Earth's movement first. It amazes me that you cannot see just how ridiculous your argument is and the fact that the only way to even begin to interpret data as consistent with the heliocentric theory is to assume that heliocentricity is preferred. There has been no experiment conducted on Earth with regard to gravity or any other theory that demonstrates anything other than what the initial observations and experiments show. They do not show things moving around you without invoking the heliocentric circular fallacy first.

3b: Heliocentricity is not logically plausible based on what is available without assuming that what you do not have is real. Your position makes no sense without assuming that heliocentricity is preferred first ... which is what everything that led up to and including today's model of heliocentricity was developed to prove in the first place. The problem is that nothing ever did prove heliocentricity without assuming that heliocentricity was the preferred conclusion to begin with, which is what it is trying to prove! Why is it so hard for you guys to grasp your arguments utter ridiculousness? Until you have observations and experience for Earth's movement your position is as plausible as aliens and abductions... thus we should build our lives around the "fact" that they are the most reasonable and plausible explanation for all unknown phenomena!? Your arguments and examples are in fact examples, not of heliocentricity's plausibility, but rather foolishness of the highest order. Demonstrate or concede but don't use Geocentrism's evidence for heliocentricity by begging the question that heliocentricity is preferred ... because until you have that evidence for heliocentricity all the evidence supports Geocentrism without assuming anything. Starting with the very first observation ever made namely the sky is moving around you but you have no sensation of movement. All subsequent observations and experiments have been consistent with no movement of the Earth and not one has shown itself to be for heliocentricity without assuming heliocentricity is preferred first, which is the question you beg and the circular fallacy you without fail, must invoke!

4a: If you are going to appeal to observation and experiment as the solid foundation of "reasoning the issue out" then you can't appeal to theory when observation and experiment do not support that position. Theories about the aether are irrelevant. What is observed and experimentally verified, as so far as it has been conducted in every case attempted, is that relative motion can be easily distinguished from absolute motion via the effects that motion has on light in every case ever observed or performed. There is no other logical conclusion based on observation and experiment that can be logically concluded without imagining and/or assuming some other construct first, without having observational or experimental support for such a thing. You keep invoking circular fallacies and attempting to justify them via your theories and "it could" but when someone points out that it could just as well mean something else you appeal to "observations". Which is it? If you bother to think about it for any length of time you will see that in either case, theory or observation, Geocentrism is the only position that has all the possible and logically sound arguments based on what is available/observed in the past and present. Whereas heliocentricity is built on what is not observed or experienced. As for illusions, that position only makes any sense whatsoever if you have a justification for "it's an illusion" otherwise this conversation itself could just be an illusion! To say that, "it could", therefore that is the most reasonable explanation is ridiculous as well as circular. The universe does not behave disorderly unless you assume that first - that is a fundamental difference between heliocentricity and Geocentrism. When we look out we can see some smaller objects orbiting larger objects but we do not see all smaller objects orbiting some larger objects. All assertions to that fact do assume that to be the case. But the sun circles me, I do not see me circling the sun without assuming that is what is really going on first. As for experiments and observations here on Earth we can distinguish between motion and non-motion regardless of how many "frames" we attempt to create via optical gyroscopes. There is no experiment that demonstrates that there is such a thing as a local reference frame that can be isolated from any other reference frame. So what experiments you are attempting to put forward and what laws of gravity and motion you keep trying to appeal to, do not exist to prove your conclusion without assuming your conclusion is true first. The whole heliocentric position is built on a house of cards and what's worse - none of them rate any higher than a Joker.

4b: The disagreements that do exist between the various Geocentric scientists have absolutely no bearing on the fact that the only experience available to man -observational or experimental - are only consistent with Geocentrism and are not consistent with heliocentricity without assuming ( begging the question ) that the universe is heliocentric first ... that the universe is something other than what can be demonstrated from observation and experiment, if that's the case then they should have no problem with us Jesus folks, otherwise there is no observation or experiment demonstrating heliocentricity without assuming it is true first ( begging the question ). The heliocentrists position is not only logically untenable but has, by its own refusal to accept observation and experiment when it conflicts with its predetermined conclusion about the Earth's motion, has in effect created a "science" that can never prove anything - "ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth" of anything. If imagination is the justification for heliocentricity then it is not "science". If observation and experiment are to be the benchmarks then there is no room for the heliocentric theory except in one's imagination!

5: I have and am pointing out that GC/GS ( Geocentric/Geostationary) is the only logically deduced conclusion that one can make that can be demonstrated, because you cannot reach any other conclusion without imagining what cannot or has not been observed or experienced.

Yes "theoretically" the sun or the Earth could be moving but only one of those theories/reasons ( why things look they way they do ) can be demonstrated as a logically deduced conclusion whereas the other cannot without invoking pure imagination first. If you go outside, look up and see something traverse from your left to your right ( could be a bird or could be a plane ) your first impulse is not, "Hey I am moving", without observation and experiment ( O&E ) that tells you that...that would be foolish. Now, what tells you the sun is not doing the moving without imagining it first? Yes it could be. But you cannot show a logically deductive path for such a conclusion even if it were true. Therefore you cannot claim that the theory that you are moving is the most plausible explanation for what you observe any more so than with a bird or a plane.

What you seem to miss is that a theory and a logical deduction do not follow each other automatically. Feel free to theorize whatever you like but true science claims logical theories as the best ones -and rightly so. They just don't always employ the logical ones. As with you they sometimes prefer imagination over logical deduction. Fine, but don't call it reasonable or the most plausible; there is no logic in that reason nor can you even show it any more plausible without begging the questions, or else you can suppose there are aliens that live in my attic as the theory and reason for all my troubles... Allen Daves

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Einstein: Relativity Hoax HERE. Plagiarist of the Century HERE.

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"You talk as if HC was a proven fact or that you HAD any facts external of just your faith in others' interpretations of them that HC were true!?...LOL... You can’t prove HC theory and neither can Dr. T! If he could he would be more famous than Einstein or Hawking himself. In fact for every HC piece of evidence, that same "evidence" shows GC at face value. And, as of yet, not you nor anyone else has given us a reason to interpret it other than "What You See Is What You Get", except that "it could be" and it is more "modest"...LOL...That is objective criteria!!?? LOL...your and Dr. T's "modesty" is a feeling not a scientific observation, certainly not objective data!..Give me break!.. Dr. T may not like it but at the end of the day "modesty" is the criteria that the most knowledgeable proponents of HC admit to for the only "proof" ( correct interpretation of data ) of HC!?...and my theory ( GC ) - it is NOT a theory, just takes the facts as is...but you call an odd ball by interpreting facts with nothing more than just your imaginations and "modesty"!?...LOL...You need to take a hard look at yourself. You don't make any sense and neither do any of your arguments. HC does not have the stamp of observation anywhere on it without reinterpreting observations with imaginations and "modesty"? .....There is less actual evidence for HC than for GC. There is NO evidence for HC whatsoever without first invoking circular fallacies about how you think the kinematics of the universe work.

...How does he define modesty and what objective criteria do Hawking and he use to make that opinion? Dr. T is right about one thing though, modesty is not apologetic but immodesty is, HC is not based on modesty it is based on getting rid of God...How is a non-centered universe more modest!?
Dr. T. goes on to say "But that is philosophy - let's get back to science, shall we?" I say great! Dr. T., you and everyone else in the HC camp stop supporting the use of your philosophical humbleness as an objective justification for why and how your interpretations of the facts are more objective than just taking them all at face value. But you can't do that - if you did you would have no observation or experience to support your case. On the other hand if you do not stop doing that then it is you not the GC folk who are using philosophy and religion! This is particularly true when the only consistency in all of the observations and experiments at face value all show a motionless Earth at the center of the universe...! This cannot be said of all the excuses for why the Earth is not the center!? ...except ......"it is more modest"...LOL

In fact it is not modest at all! The whole purpose was and is not science based on objective data in observation or experience at all, but rather to explain everything naturally - absent of God......Well if there is a God, I don’t see how he would see it as modest at all...LOL... :-D . Since we have not been able to prove God does not exist, to claim modesty as the champion of your cause is not only foolish, but quite arrogant ( the exact opposite of humbleness )...LOL...who are you trying to kid...yourself?...I don't buy it, and even logic does not support your assertion!!

That is why the politics is not just important but EVERYTHING when it comes to data that can have multiple interpretations. To say that it is not is a fairytale dreamland. To understand how a conclusion was reached that could have multiple possibilities/ interpretations you must understand what/how the criteria for the decision was made in the first place, particularly when you take a conclusion that demands a model that is other than what you can see or prove!! All is not just facts, if it were then you would have to accept a GC universe... it is the only conclusion you can draw from any and all available facts period. I don’t have to show any other facts than the ones HC purports to be HC proof, because they don’t even remotely show HC without assuming it is true first." Allen Daves
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Exposing the Copernican Deception: The Cataclysmic Impact on Every Field of Modern Man's Knowledge

http://www.fixedearth.com/knowledge%20impact.htm

Excerpt:
"Over three centuries of carefully layered propaganda and indoctrination had defeated and all but buried the Bible's account of a stationary Earth.The outer wall of the Bible's claim to Truth had been battered down by radical members of the scientific priesthood. And now they were on the verge of breaking through the second line of defense with the Evolution battering ram. This breakthrough was designed to defeat and bury not only the Creation account of man created in the image of God, but the whole Creation scenario set out in the Bible. No Creation; no Garden of Eden; no Satan; no Temptation; no Fall; no need for Jesus to redeem from the fallen condition.... What's left of Christianity but a bunch of rituals and traditions?!"

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The Size and Structure of the Universe According to the Bible and Non-Theoretical Science. Part I Star Reflections in The Biblical Model

http://www.fixedearth.com/Size%20and%20Structure%20Part%20I.htm

Excerpts:
"...the Big Bang Model ruling today's cosmology is handcuffed to the Copernican Heliocentricity Model... both of these Models are built solely on contra-scientific assumptions held together by occult mathematics and fraudulent use of computerized technology."

"...in purely Biblical terms there is a large but limited number of stars being REFLECTED off a watery shell... The very entrance of the concept of reflections into an understanding of how the universe is perceived is unavoidable in Scripture and undeniable in basic optical science."

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The Size and Structure of the Universe According to the Bible and Non-Theoretical Science. Part II Highly Reflective Water Crystals

http://www.fixedearth.com/Ssize%20and%20Structure%20Part%20II.htm

Excerpt:
"A global dome encases all that is in the universe. Its undersurface is covered, or strategically embedded, with highly reflective water crystals... such incredible designs are capable of sending innumerable scattered reflections, accompanied by a full range of spectrum colors for Redshift Theorists to play with and continue to expand their Expanding Universe fantasy."

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The Size and Structure of the Universe According to the Bible and Non-Theoretical Science. Part IV Star-Trails

http://www.fixedearth.com/Size_and_Structure%20Part%20IV.htm

Excerpt:
"It is immensely important for those who don't like being deceived to step back and decide for themselves which is an illusion and which is the truth about this observable and photographable phenomena [ of star trails ]. One of the chief reasons why it is immensely important is that this whole business about the stars having to go around the Earth every night is what makes or breaks either the Biblical or the Kabbalic Big Bang Model of the Universe. Both models are totally dependent on the truth or falsity of the "explanation" for what we can see and what the photographs show."

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The Size and Structure of the Universe According to the Bible and Non-theoretical Science Part VI

http://www.fixedearth.com/Size%20and%20Structure%20Part%20VI.htm

Excerpt:
NASA's pre-programmed software for its computerized telescopes and cameras, both land based and on space vehicles, is a ready-made setup for fraud in pursuit of its goal to present the world with "confirmation" of evolving life in outer space. That stated goal: "to find our cosmic roots" is the heart of NASA's "Origins Program" and no lie is too big to bring it to pass. Does anyone have the remotest doubt that the pre-programmed software in those telescopes and cameras is 100% locked into the "math" based on an orbiting Earth and all of the fanciful fabrications of distances that we've seen up to now? Don't we all know that whoever controls the programming of computer software controls the results the computer gives?

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Falsifying the Geosynchronous Satellite Concept
http://www.fixedearth.com/geosynchronous_sa.htm

Excerpt:
"We do not have to search very far for the only force known to man that could cause the satellite to "hang" there motionless just as well over a hundred of them are doing as we speak. Would not electromagnetic forces in perfect balance top and bottom throughout that 165,000 miles of invisible "tubing" allow the satellites to be popped into a slot anywhere along the tube and hang there essentially motionless?"

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Sixty-seven ( 67 ) Scriptural References Which Tell Us That It Is The Sun And Not The Earth That Moves:

http://www.fixedearth.com/sixty-seven%20references.htm

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Important updated ( September 10, 2007 ) paper by
Dr. Neville T. Jones

Geostationary satellites in a geocentric universe
Click here: ( takes 20 seconds to load pdf file )
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/geosat.pdf

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Academic qualifications of Dr. Neville T. Jones, PhD:

1. Ph.D. - Doctor of Philosophy in Physics
2. D.I.C. - Diploma of the Imperial College
3. M. Sc. (Phys) - Master of Science in Physics
4. M. Sc. (Comp) - Master of Science in Computing Science
5. B. Sc. (Hons) - Bachelor of Science, Honours in Physics and Computer Science
6. Formerly of the Clarendon Laboratory, Oxford University, England

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Geocentrism Evidence 1 - Scientific papers - by Dr. Neville T. Jones, PhD:

a) A gravitational field different from that of Newton
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/Gravity.pdf

b) Geosynchronous satellites in a geostationary universe
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/geosat.pdf

c) On the equivalence of the heliocentric and geocentric models
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/Equivalence.pdf

d) Stellar distances and the age of the universe
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/Stellar%20distances.pdf

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Geocentrism Evidence 2 - Flower Pattern Discovery
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/Stellar%20distances.pdf
by Steven Jones

"...no objects other than the World display regularity and symmetry, in complete contrast to the situation when the World is centred; ...... only on the World are all the paths uniform and beautiful."

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Geocentrism Evidence 4 - Restoring Forces - by Dr. Neville T. Jones, PhD
http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/page65.htm

"However, such a field [ a vector field that exerts a force on air molecules ] does not exist, for if it did we would find it exceedingly difficult to travel in any direction other that around our particular parallel of latitude in an eastwardly direction."

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Geocentrism Evidence 5 - Negative Parallax - by Dr. Neville T. Jones, PhD

"... it is an indisputable fact that stellar parallax, like the phases of Venus, has been widely cited as "proof" that the World orbits the Sun. This is unfortunate, since the phenomenon proves no such thing. The only thing it does prove is that either the World is moving with respect to the stars, or that the stars are moving with respect to the World."

"... so modern astrophysics maintains the misconception that parallax 'proves' the Kopernican philosophy of the World hurtling around the Sun, by ignoring and dismissing the entire dataset of negative parallax measurements."

"... such vast distances [ to the stars ] were originally borne of paradigm-supporting necessity and although they may appear to be confirmed by trigonometric parallax calculations, it should be remembered that this technique is itself based upon the heliocentric assumption that it is used to support."

More: http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/page26.htm

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Geocentric Universe 3.0 is a one of a kind multimedia planetarium that depicts a small geocentric universe with an Earth at rest. With beautiful graphics this program clearly describes all of the necessary kinematics involved with such a creation-orientated cosmology.

http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/shop.htm - by Neville and Steven Jones

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Statement/Question ( in response to one page Geocentrism email sent ):

If you had any scientific education at all you would neither read nor send such uneducated drivel. First - the Bible is completely unsubstantiated - you might as well quote the King Arthur legends. Second - it's totally irrelevant whether the Earth is seen as moving or fixed. The only thing that matters is the RELATIVE motion of one body against another - that's what Einstein is all about.
The importance of the Copernican model is that it makes the mathematics way simpler. A "fixed Earth/moving universe" model is totally unworkable mathematically. There is great elegance in the Earth orbiting the sun solution. But it doesn't matter - they both move in the same way relative to each other regardless of your point of view. If you were on the Sun you would see the Earth orbiting the sun.

To say that the Earth is fixed and the sun orbits it, is as ridiculous as saying the moon is fixed and the Earth orbits it. In relative terms that is another solution but very complex and inelegant. Please don't send me this psycho babble voodoo science anymore - it really pisses me off."

Answer:

1. "Only when we hit a nerve, does this kind of emotional reaction come forth. You've challenged his religious Idol, that is, false science.
First - substitute "evolution science" for "Bible" and finish the sentence.

Second - "irrelevant"?! He knows how relevant it would be if the Earth is shown to be stationary after centuries of theoretical science ( oxymoron ) has assumed the issue settled and then that Einstein buried the issue forever with his juvenile "thought experiments" about "relativity".
Heliocentricity makes the math simpler?! What a joke! Whole new "reconstructed mathematics and physics" have to be created for each of the seven observation-denying assumptions that are built into the Pharisee Religion's Kabbalic universe...which he thinks is not in the picture at all, and everything involved on his side is altruistic "secular science". He is in for a big surprise. May God grant him the grace to change when the time comes when that option will be given to the whole world." Marshall Hall

2:

(a) He does not understand the term "scientific."

(b) Einstein assumed the World to be orbiting the Sun; he did not in any way, shape or form prove it to be doing so.

(c) "The importance of the Copernican model is that it makes the mathematics way simpler." He clearly does not understand the mathematics involved in either system, or he would not make a statement that is contrary to the truth.

(d) "A fixed Earth/moving universe model is totally unworkable mathematically." Nope.

(e)Funny how so many adopt this knee-jerk reaction to things that they do not comprehend, but which they inherently dislike. Neville T. Jones, Ph.D.

3.

"The importance of the Copernican model is that it makes the mathematics way simpler."
The Copernican model was with the same circular motions and even more epicycles than the Ptolemeus model. M.V.

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Statement/Question:

"The issue of whether the sun orbits the Earth, or whether the Earth orbits the sun, or whether they both orbit each other depends on how you want to look at it. This is an issue that doesn't affect anybody. It's like arguing whether maps are upside down. Why is "north" pointing to the top of the map? Why not turn the map upside down so that Australia and Antarctica are at the top? This is an issue that doesn't mean anything to anybody. It's wasting time to discuss it."

Answer:

1. "In terms of theology one position calls God a liar the other does not. In terms of science one is "the reality" the other is a "fairy tale". In both cases the effects are direct and real for both theology ( how Scripture is applied or denied ) as well as how the universe really works so as to obtain the greatest possible benefits by exercising the real possibilities that exist for future technologies and its benefits to mankind based on a real knowledge rather than just being content with a status quo of willful apathy and ignorance." Allen Daves 2. "The truth doesn't depend on "how you look at it". The Earth is either moving or it isn't. One is the truth and one is a lie. The Bible and all known science say it the sun and not the Earth that moves. Maybe you don't care, but you don't want to include everybody in the world in that category, do you? If it's the Bible that you don't like because it's religious, then you won't like the other view either because it too comes from a "holy book" (Kabbala) of a certain religion (Phariseeism). You may change your mind if you check out the facts and how we've all been deceived on this matter." Marshall Hall

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Question/Statement:

What I'd like are a few salient points of pure science that speak
to the extreme problems with Copernicus' theory. MRJ

Answer:

1:
"Of all the attempts in the last 400 years to prove Copernicus' theory, the best that the "experts" admit to is that it has never been proven and in fact they can't prove any of it period via the necessity to invoke relativity ( everything is relative, with no absolutes )...however they say, "it is true because it makes the most sense". It is the worldview that is and always was at the heart of the whole issue, not the science." Allen Daves

2:
"Of all the experiments and observations ever performed and conducted to settle this very question through the centuries, show the Earth either motionless as described by MS ( Mainstream Science ) or is in fact at the center of numerous and very distinct shells of distribution of all matter in the universe. In short, there is no other conclusion that anyone can draw about the movement and location of the Earth in the universe without invoking the Copernican worldview first, which is a circular fallacy because it is the Copernican worldview that the observations
would have to demonstrate first in order to logically invoke them
in any explanation of what you observe around you." Allen Daves

3:

"This is a very worthy suggestion/request.

(i) In Geostationary Cosmology, the World does not rotate.

(ii) In Geostationary Cosmology, the World does not orbit the sun.

(iii) Hence, in Geostationary Cosmology, the motions we see are real.

(iv) In Heliocentric Cosmology, the World rotates at a speed that varies with latitude, yet this is supposedly indiscernable.

(v) In Heliocentric Cosmology, the World is going around the sun at 25x the speed of a rifle bullet, yet this is supposedly indiscernable.

(vi) Hence, according to Heliocentric Cosmology, the motions we sense are unreal and those that are real we cannot sense." Dr. Neville Jones

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Statement:

"I'm quite satisfied that heliocentrism has not been proven scientifically but that the Geocentric case has. GWW ( Galileo Was Wrong ) is a book that ... has brought together much of the scientific evidence for Geocentrism, and the obvious prejudicial way in which it has been, not just dismissed, but eradicated from the text books. To me this gives even more credence to the Biblical account of creation. The same goes for evolution and the materialistic explanation that everything came from nothing with no external help. Scientifically speaking this must be the bizarrest idea ever conceived, because it is utterly impossible whereas a Creator makes plain common sense." Jack Lewis

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Super-smart, Highly-educated University Graduates and PhD's

"...... and why does S.H. ( professor and Ph.D. ) imply that the heliocentricity idea is really true as the official Theoretical Science Establishment claims? You might respond that he has simply not had the time to look at the Geocentric facts, and that he may find the time to deal with that issue later. As I have tried to explain many times, we are foolish to make excuses for people in leadership positions. Instead of excusing their stupidity and ignorance, we should tell them to find another job, and let somebody with more abilities take their position.

S.H. claims to be a highly-educated and intelligent person with the ability to analyze Einstein's theories and show us that Einstein plagiarized those theories. However, if he's that intelligent and educated, he should take about thirty minutes to figure out that the heliocentric stationary-sun idea is a hoax, and maybe twenty minutes to figure out that the Apollo moon-landing was a hoax. I'm just a lowly high-school graduate, and once I looked at the information on Geocentrism, it only took me forty minutes to figure out that heliocentricity was a hoax. Therefore, these super-smart, highly-educated university graduates and PhD's should be able to do it in less time than me."

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"... a lot of the information that's taught at school is inaccurate, and some of it is Zionist propaganda. Take a look at how many college graduates believe in heliocentricity and the Apollo moon landing. Those graduates wasted thousands of dollars and many years of their lives to memorize Zionist propaganda. They are suckers."

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Question/Statement (by Geocentrist):

If you board a helicopter on the east coast of the USA, lift off vertically and hover above the ground for four hours, then set down on the ground again, you will be in the same location that you lifted off from. If the Earth were rotating counter-clockwise at an equatorial speed of 1040 mph then the helicopter should have set down on the west coast of the USA. Therefore the Earth is not rotating.
Response (by heliocentrist):

From the point of view of physics, there is no fundamental difference between a ball being thrown upwards and a helicopter flying upwards. In each instance, any velocity inherited from its takeoff point in a horizontal plane will be conserved, thus the ball will return to your hand when sitting in a moving railway carriage and a helicopter flying strictly up and down will land in its takeoff position on a rotating Earth.

Response: (by Geocentrist):

I tried to give you a little hint when I mentioned the fact that the trajectory of the ball that comes 'straight back down' was a parabola. Furthermore, my 'constraints', had you have bothered to ask, include the time that the ball was out of the thrower's hands......The helicopter has a particular tangential component of velocity, which does not increase during the time it is aloft. Depending on how high it goes and how long it is off the ground for, it will only traverse a vertical path in the geostationary case. In the heliocentric case it's tangential velocity would also need to increase as a function of altitude for it to appear to come straight back down. Dr. Neville T. Jones

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Quote:

"It is irritating even to have to argue with someone who has a contra-Geostationary worldview because it dignifies the incredible gall of heliocentrists who think they can contradict the most obvious scientifically observed evidence, and what's worse, use Geocentrists' tax dollars to explore the false worldview of heliocentricity but deny Geocentrists the use of heliocentrists' tax dollars to explore the correct worldview of Geocentrism."

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Statement:

"I am afraid, that just one fact that can be shown to contradict a whole load of [heliocentric] assumptions is entirely sufficient to bring the whole deck of cards built with those assumptions down. This applies in science, logic, mathematics, law, theology and history." Dr. Neville T. Jones

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Statement/Question:

"It is widely accepted, although not by me, that the moon causes the tides. It is also widely accepted, although not by me, that there exists a zero-gravity point situated somewhere between the World and moon.

My question is this: If the ocean were situated at the zero-gravity point, then there would be no tide. Closer to the World the pull of the World is stronger. Closer to the moon the pull of the moon is stronger. The net effect, this side of the zero-gravity point, is always a positive pull by the World. Since this is equivalent to a force of gravity that produces a stronger pull as we take the oceans further this side of the zero-gravity point, then how does the moon produce the tides?" Dr. Neville T. Jones

Response:

"IT DOES NOT DIRECTLY, ONLY INDIRECTLY. Hooray! I’m so glad finally someone else sees this issue too. Further, the tides are one of the major reasons why I model gravity as a vibration, for The Alias Effect shows that the position of the sun and moon has a relationship to gravity on Earth but tides demonstrate that they are not directly related due to the whole satellites issues as well as atmosphere. However, in vibrational gravity the positions of CB's ( Celestial Bodies ) will affect the vibrational wave. In short, the tides are caused by the squeezing effect of the gravity vibration, that is to say, that there is no additional or absence of gravity force, only a uneven squeezing effect that is a result in part due to sun/moon/background-stars positioning ( The Alias Effect proves this ). A vibration is the only known physical explanation that can account for that effect while producing a non-detectable gravity force in all of its anomalies, which are not anomalies but rather clear indicators that gravity is a vibration of aether waves. No other known physical construct could account for all those things." Allen Daves

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"There is something about 'space' that they don't want you to know." E.H.

July 27, 2007 - THIS JUST IN this morning ... a rocket test exploded at the Rutan [ of SpaceShipOne fame ] test facility in the Mohave desert killing and injuring a number of people ... nitrous oxide fuel which is not considered "explosive" was the cause ... at this point the cause of the explosion is unknown ... my question ... coupled with the adjacent headline that NASA computers were "compromised" before shipment to the ISS space station ... leads me to think that also given the time-line of August 12th and the impending passage of the "security bill" by congress ( to protect you from "terror" ) and all the other issues coming down the pike right now ... this raises the serious question as to whether Rutan's operation was sabotaged ... i have told you all along that private space ventures are not on the list of "OK" items with the new world order bunch who think that space is their private playground and have the host of black ops behind the scene operations going on ( the real space program ) ... more on this as it develops ... jim mccanney http://www.jmccanneyscience.com

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"The purpose of the Michelson-Morley experiment was to measure the speed of the World with respect to the aether. They obtained an almost null result.

Hence, Messieurs Michelson and Morley ought to have at least included the following in their conclusions: "The World gives no indication of motion with respect to the aether." Perfectly reasonable statement, I would have thought.

However, the most obvious conclusion is not even mentioned. Rather, four other "reasons" are invented in order to cover the egg on their faces - and for this, Albert Michelson won the Nobel Prize for physics.

Still, if the Braggs' can get a Nobel Prize for a bit of high school trigonometry, then why shouldn't Michelson get one for failing to demonstrate what everyone just "knows" to be true?" Dr. Neville T. Jones, PhD

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The State is Satan's agent to establish and expand Satan's kingdom on Earth.

The Family is God's agent to establish and expand God's Kingdom on Earth.

Luke chapter 4 verses 5-8:
And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms [ States ] of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

"If you now work for the government [ The State ], the biggest contribution you can make to America is to quit your job and find work in the private sector. If you are responsible and conscientious, the market place is full of opportunity for you. And when you put your efforts into private industry, you will be producing wealth - i.e., products and services that people want, not services they are forced to take".
Robert J. Ringer, Restoring The American Dream, Page 283
Published by QED, Distributed by Harper and Row, Publishers New York, 1979

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"I have often said that the person who affirms the Biblical worldview and who practices the Biblical apologetic can easily and conclusively defeat any non-Christian. It does not matter whether the non-Christian is an atheist, a Muslim, a Buddhist, or a Catholic and it does not matter even if the non-Christian is highly educated. In fact, I have even stated that even a toddler who has been trained in Biblical apologetics can crush any professor of science or philosophy. Here I will go even further. I will assert that even a person who is mentally limited or damaged in some way, but who can nevertheless communicate in fragmented statements ( e.g. a person with Downs Syndrome ), can still defeat any non-Christian scientist or philosopher." Vincent Cheung
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Which Eventually Triumphs - heliocentricity or Geocentrism?

Isaiah 14, verses 12-15 [ changed from general to specific topic ]

"How art thou fallen from heaven,

O Lucifer, father of heliocentricity!

how art thou cut down to deceiving with heliocentric theory,
which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my heliocentric theory
above the Geocentrism of God:
I will sit also upon
the mount of the Geocentric Universe,
in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights
of the clouds;
I will be like the most High.

Yet thou Satan and your heliocentric deception shalt be brought down to hell,
to the sides of the pit. Bible, King James Version

"When Babylon Falls there will be no one anywhere who can escape a face-to-face confrontation with the two contenders for their allegiance, that is, God and Satan. God's weapons against His created and foredoomed antithesis ( Satan ), who "has no truth in him" are the Truths that everybody in the world will have to deal with when Babylon Falls. The "war" of Revelation 17 which Jesus wins is a global Truth Tsunami which will leave no anti-Bible lie standing." Marshall Hall

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"Only in one's wildest imagination can you even construe the idea that the concentric distribution of mass patterns around the Earth would look the same from anywhere else in the universe. That is not science that is imagination. So there really is no “scientific” reason for construing a rotational Earth orbiting in some imaginary solar system, there never was, particularly when the only real observational post in the real universe is the Earth, from which we see not all smaller objects orbiting larger ones but in fact we observe that the size of objects does not in itself determine which one is orbiting which, any more than all smaller gears in some gear clock sets rotate or turn about larger gears and vice versa. Everything else is just some imaginary set of rules that do not exist from the only real observation point in the universe without accepting some assumed interpretations and conclusions about imaginary observations on other worlds that have never been produced or conducted." Allen Daves

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How many WARS have been fought in the name of The Pharisee Religion...

Above: Ali Ismail Abbas

Below: zionist mid-level managers:

[ Photos inserted ]

...is something to think about when people ask, "How many WARS have been fought in the name of science?" They need to understand without equivocation down the line somewhere that what they think is SECULAR science is derived concept for concept from the Pharisee Religion's "holy books" Zohar/Kabbala. Those concepts include: billions of years of evolutionism; heliocentricity; relativity; a "big bang"; an expanding universe...with "superstrings" and "parallel universes" nudging their way into the textbooks. In fairness, these secrets have only been forced out of the closet for about 15 years, and that release has gotten no main-stream media attention or "peer" literature exposure. Just the same, it is now readily available and no one calling himself/herself a scientist in the physics, astronomy, bio-chemistry and related disciplines can have any credibility by going ahead with their support of any or all of the above concepts without letting it be known that they are aware of their source and are aware that the source is religious and NOT secular. Finally, if they choose to stick to that source's concepts regardless of whether or not the source is secular ( as the world has been led to believe ), then they need to present their arguments openly as being derived from the anti-Christ Pharisee Religion's alternate "creation scenario" as set out by Rabbis in its "holy books". This path, of course, is open to all who will take it. Hopefully, honest scientists will simply realize that they - along with the rest of the world - have been duped and turn their skills to the furtherance of truly secular science...beginning, I hope, with the factless heliocentricity keystone that is holding up the whole Pharisaic Big Bang Evolutionary Paradigm. Marshall Hall

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There is zero proof that the Earth is tilted at any angle. It's all based on the observation-denying "science" which tells the world that the Earth is rotating on an "axis" and orbiting the sun. This "science"--as it turns out--is all connected to the Big Bang Paradigm of 15 billion years of evolution which has its concept for concept roots in the Kabbala of the Pharisee religion. It might be a good idea to check all that out before embracing other explanations for historically known climate changes not based on the acceptance of billions of years of evolutionism.

Earthquakes and volcanic activity have always gone on. Only very recently have they been intensely monitored and reported globally. Moreover, the Bible says there will be heightened activity like this, so, if there is an actual increase, why not attribute it to the Biblical forecast instead of the Earth flopping over another alleged twenty-some degrees? Marshall Hall

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The main argument for Copernicus' "mathematical model" was that it answered all the phenomena and was less complicated than Ptolemy's. It seems to answer all the phenomena, but so does a stationary Earth... and Copernicanism is NOT simpler! It nullified observation-backed science, reversed the direction of the moon, established a heliocentric assumption upon which the Kabbalic Big Bang Paradigm with its billions of years of evolutionism could replace Bible Creationism and replace the God of that Creation with a purely naturalistic/atheistic "explanation"... or any other g'd or goddess or Force you want to invent... just so long as it isn't the Biblical God.

Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo and Newton established heliocentricity as a mathematical model in the Physical Sciences... which torpedoed the Bible amidship and gradually put "science" ahead of Scripture. This began to spread to the Biological Sciences--Darwin's grandfather ( Erasmus ) had an "Ape Man" theory in the 18th century. Darwin just gave the idea a "natural selection/survival of the fittest" scientific patina and published it in 1859... setting the stage for the takeover of the Biological Sciences.

You may know what's in the Talmud ( which is undergraduate school for Kabbalists ). The Jews and the rest of us have suffered long enough under this group of Christ-hating Rabbinic Satanists. Marshall Hall

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I don't doubt that there is a money-making devilish motive driving the whole thing with HIV...just as with chemo, radiation, prostate hype, viagra, etc. There is no end to it with the pharmaceuticals. You may have noticed in the links somewhere that the word "sorceries" in Revelation chapter 9, verse 21 is "pharmaceuticals" in the Greek.

Whatever deception there is that is involved in those areas is big, to be sure; but there is no deception out there that is in the same league as heliocentricity. It alone is the unsuspected heartbeat of the one deception that is succeeding in destroying God's eternal Covenant with mankind paid for with the blood of Jesus. That Covenant in all its glorious ramifications is steadily being replaced with the "profane and vain babblings of a science falsely so called" Idol.

If honest folks who say they seek Truth would open their eyes a little wider, they would see that heliocentricity is the Devil's jugular...his Achilles Heel. They could then prioritize and assign at least part of their efforts to getting the facts surrounding this issue into the public consciousness by whatever means that are available to them ( in churches for sure )!

The reason so few step up to the plate on this one is that they too have bowed the knee to the idol at one level or another and they really just can't imagine a way to tackle a deception this BIG without admitting they too have "erred" ... just as God specifically warned they
would ( 1 Timothy chapter 6, verses 20, 21 ). Marshall Hall

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Unless one sticks to a gravity-only explanation -- to the exclusion of electromagnetic forces -- it seems to me that geocentrists have the upper hand far and away in the geostat matter.

I don't know anything about the "gyroscopic reaction" evidence wherein "the wheel will appear to rotate following the sun, every 24 hours". Does that mean "follow the sun" the way we see the sun go ( clockwise ) or the other way ( counter-clockwise )? If the former, where's the problem? If the latter, could not Earth-generated magnetic forces act on the spinning wheel in a contrary way to produce the phenomenon? Personally, I won't scuttle Biblical Geocentrism and all the evidence going for it ( and all the contrary evidence against heliocentricity ) on that little piece of indeterminate "evidence".

And, speaking of the contrary evidence against heliocentricity, everyone seems to be ignoring that huge contra-scientific elephant in the science classroom.... A very big historical fact is now available which forces this whole issue into a framework that is like three more touchdowns in the last quarter when you were already ahead. That fact tells us in no uncertain or arguable terms that "evolution science" ( the whole Big Bang Evolutionary Paradigm of 15 billion years and in which heliocentricty is an indispensable link ) is not...repeat NOT "secular science". Rather, by their own figures and revelations, the whole business is derived from the Kabbala of the Pharisee Religion.

Shall we continue to ignore that double-damning evidence and proceed to treat the Big Bang Paradigm in all its parts as "science" when it is demonstrably an alternative Religious "creation scenario" put in place by a "theoretical science establishment"? I don't think so. Marshall Hall

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Scripture/Catholic/Geocentrism website HERE

Response:
Good information. The great inconsistency of the RCC ( Roman Catholic Church ) in the realm of doctrine is their bulldog tenacity in using the Bible as the final word never to be toyed with on some subjects while simultaneously elevating Biblically non-existent or totally contradictory doctrines and traditions of the church above plain Bible teachings. The sum of their whole approach to Scripture is to extol it as the ultimate source of truth on all it addresses while at the same time denying "Sola Scriptura" when it conflicts with the "commandments and traditions of men" which is the engine that drives that "angel of light" institution. This doublemindedness has done more to undercut and cripple the use of Scripture to advance the truths of God throughout the world than the many contra-Scriptural errors of Protestantism, and, indeed, is equaled only by the covert impact of the Talmudist/Kabbalists in their various guises. The coming "Fall of Babylon" will reveal the dual service to both God and Satan rendered to the world by the RCC for nearly two millennia. As for the hundreds of millions of the faithful who died before that Fall occurs, they, along with other hundreds of millions blinded to God's Truths in other religions ( and no religion ), will be judged on their works according to what they did and did not know ( I John chapter 2 verses 28,29; John chapter 5 verses 28,29; Romans chapter 2 verses 11-16; Revelation chapter 20 verses 11-13. )
Marshall Hall

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Special Proclamation: Give some of your charity dollars to churches or ministries that preach and promote the truth about God's Creation in Genesis of Biblical Geocentrism. Or you could purchase a quantity of this book and CD for distribution yourself......a much better way to lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven. Do not give your money to people like Creflo and Taffi Dollar, who already have two Rolls-Royces and three private jets.

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Moving-Earth DECEPTION continued on page two , three and four

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Other Deceptions:

1. NASA Apollo Moon-Landing Deception: HERE

2. Homeland Security 911 Deception:
listen to 9 megabyte audio: HERE ( may take 30 seconds to load )

3. Dinosaurs Never Existed - Dinosaur Deception: HERE

4. AIDS is NOT an Infectious Disease - HIV Deception: HERE

5. The State is NOT Legitimate - "The Government" Deception: HERE

6. Money Aquired Through Extortion is Theft - Taxation Deception: HERE

7. Church is an Icon that must be Thrown Down - Church Deception: HERE

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Compiled by:

I, commonly known as Bernard of the Brauer family
Living soul, man, created by God, free will status
Proficiency in the English language and Christian Bible
Academic degree - Se. M. (Hons) [ that means...... Self-educated man, Honors ]
The free will man has all the unalienable rights and freedoms as provided by Creator God.
Without "The State", at arm's length and without prejudice to my God-given, unalienable Rights.

Comments

The earth is not moving

Be sure to see Galileo Was Wrong, by Robert Sungenis and Robert Bennett. This is currently the authoritative book set on the geocentrism issue.

http://catholicintl.com/products/books/gwwprint.htm

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com

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The Cristian Family November 2006

We Stand For NO SYSTEM

Kindom (Do No Harm Communities) is the dream for freedom, but it is the dream for the freedom of those around us who also live the dream of freedom, because it is in living for the freedom of others that we get our freedom. When we live for the dreams of Kindom of those around us, we live life as a gift because we live for (dedicate our lives to) their dream of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, just as they live for our Kindom dreams too. This is true co-creation (cooperation) with no attack on the uniqueness of each of us. When we live this way, we have no need for any man-made system - everything/everyone has already been taken care of by our love for life.

Just as we do not have to jump 10 feet across the room to grab our next breath, neither do we have to worry about food, water and shelter because it has all been taken care of as we each co-create Kindoms/Kin-Domains for everyone. Now everybody and everything of the dream of life that is Kindom/Paradise is free (has been set free once again). The issue is greed and selfishness, power and control trips, arrogance, ignorance, being fed many many lies and being traumatised. The issue is not overpopulation - there is more than enough land available for every family to have a hectare (2.5 acres Kin-Domain) to care for. The land of Australia can provide a Kin-Domain for every family across Earth, each with a food forest, clean fresh drinking water and plenty of space for building natural do no harm habitats and with plenty of land left over.

Everyone must have the freedom to take full-responsibility for their lives, for the water they drink, the food they eat and for their shelter. Currently, "The System" forces everyone to give up taking full-responsibility so that we become grown up children accustomed to sucking on the nipples of "The System" corporations for everything, having to use money to get by and to follow the rules of money because we are not co-creating freedom, peace, truth, joy and abundance for each other. Money only leads to haves and have nots and all the abuse, manipulation and distractions that we are subjected to as slaves to money.

When we give up living for other's Kindom dreams, we start creating hell ("The System") all around us because we become self-centred - now it's all about "my freedom","my money", "my land", "my belief", "my saviour", "mine", "mine","mine", "i","i", "i", "own", "own", "own", etc. To protect what we claim we own requires a man-made system with FORCE to protect those self-centred claims. This is ALL trauma based and all story-telling (brainwashing/braindirtying).

NO SYSTEM = KINDOM/DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES
NO SYSTEM = KINDOM/DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES photo Kindom_zpsa6d24e8a.jpg

Our true freedom comes when we set our thoughts of freedom into motion so that we live freedom rather than just talking and thinking about it while we still slave for "The System". Kindom will not happen while we meditate for hours in the bush or do yoga retreats or wait for Jesus or follow the processes of the OPPT (One People's Public Trust now called One People). This is not freedom because we are not living freedom because we are living the story-telling of Jesus or Zeitgeist or The Secret or Thrive or One Earth/Consciousness/People.

Living Kindom is very, very hard work as we set about repairing the damage to MAN/Earth/Nature that we are ALL responsible for but the burden becomes lighter the more of us put our life-energy into the dream of returning Earth to Paradise. Day-after-day, we all have to work our arses off until Kindom is all around us (MAN) once again. This is the price we pay to set each other free on a piece of land (Kin-Domain), so that no one is under the image-power (education/brainwashing/story-telling) of another MAN anymore and so that everyone can have their space of love to create and live their unique, do no harm dreams. This only happens once we have the Kindoms set up so that everyone is provided for.

Once we re-create the food forests, whether on land or in the suburbs, we can re-claim our freedom, breaking the strangle-hold of "The System" because we are no longer reliant on its services and benefits and no longer turning each other into slaves of "The System", cogs in the wheels of "The System" machine. If we don't put the effort in to set everyone and everything free all around us then we still live in HELL ("The System"). The key is to live for everyone else's freedom so that we can have it too.

From Bare Dirt To Abundance
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

From Bare Dirt To Abundance Part Two A
5th November 2014
http://youtu.be/TPTPn8tgcPI
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8545

From Bare Dirt To Abundance Part Two B
Coming Shortly

We live for NO SYSTEM. We do not lose anything by not having a man-made system and, in fact, we gain. We gain our freedom and we gain abundance. Let go of the fear.

The Cristian Family November 2006

A Collection Of Various Love For Life Posts
Providing The Big Picture We See

Sequential Order

We ask you to NOT believe anything we say/share and instead use scrutiny like an intense blow torch and go where the logic of truth/sense takes you. This is very, very important. Put everything you believe up to the test of scrutiny to see how it stacks up. If you are true to your heart/senses and go where the logic of truth/sense takes you will find that NO belief, etc, will stand up to the test of scrutiny. They just do not stack up because they are lies/fraud.

After you have watched and read all the material and any questions are left unanswered, send us your landline number and we will use the internet phone as a free unlimited call. We are on Sydney NSW Australia time. Best times for us to chat are between 11.00am and 6.00pm.

It is critical that you fully comprehend Image Power, "Spelling", Trauma, Reaction To Trauma, Curses, Processing Curses, Full-Responsibility/Liability, Limited Liability/Responsibility (passing-the-back), Slavery, Senses/Sense vs Non-Sense/Senses, Re-Presenting Intellectual Property such as but not limited to "Name", Storytelling/Storytellers, Duality, Black-Magic, Belief, Lies, "i", All Seeing "i" (eye), etc..... These themes and others are covered over and over and over again.

If you do not comprehend these insights and are unable to use your senses to sense your way through all the non-sense/non-sensory-images that enslave MAN under their image power (darkness = "The System" = Hell), men and women will remain deeply trapped under a terrible state of trauma. Our intention is to inspire you to remedy by showing you how to move away from reacting to trauma in all its nefarious and devious forms.

IMAGE POWER
Superb Diamond Range Interviewing
Arthur & Fiona Cristian 4th February 2014
http://youtu.be/qFnuuw3kLog
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8501

His-Story/Her-Story (History)
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
2005-2007 - Re-posted July 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8529

The Dream Of Life Part 6
Under The Spell Of Intellectual Property

Arthur Cristian - 51 Minutes 52 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMK7CkU1ih8

Trauma Induced Fantasy
July 2013 Interview With
Jeanice Barcelo And Arthur & Fiona Cristian
http://youtu.be/CZVj-ddUoZw
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8500

The Dark Side Of The Moon
The Background To "The System"

Arthur & Fiona Cristian Interviewed By
Jahnick Leaunier, The Tru-Mon Show
24th August 2016
Love For Life - 142 Minutes
https://youtu.be/C5TViw1NLr4

Eric Dubay's Flat Earth Is A Cult
The Background To The System Part Two

Arthur & Fiona Cristian Chatting With
Jahnick Leaunier On The Tru-Mon Show
Love For Life - 31st August 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8585
154 Minutes
https://youtu.be/rCPWgEQg-2M

Eclipse Of The Sun - Video (Arthur swears in this video)
The Background To The System Part Three
Arthur & Fiona Cristian Chatting With
Jahnick Leaunier On The Tru-Mon Show
Love For Life - 25th October 2016
https://youtu.be/FMOsOi1kNRc

The "Name" Is The Mark Of The Beast
The Strawman Identifying
Your Slave Status In "The System"

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
5th February 2012 - 56 Minutes 25 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdOag66v7uo

The Satanic Craft Of Inculcation In Practice
Fiona's ACT Supreme Court Affidavit Explaining Inculcation & Illumination
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
4th March 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8578

The Spinning Top
Full Bloom Inculcation

Arthur And Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
Facebook Discussions Between The
8th December 2016
And
26th January 2017
Link: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/16/03/04/satanic-craft-inculcation-pra...

The Shit Of Death
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
28th January 2017
Link: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/16/03/04/satanic-craft-inculcation-pra...

The Selfie Of Freakenstein
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
17th March 2017
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8588

Three Sets Of Fiona Cristian Documents Filed With ACAT
Merged Into One Document For Downloading
https://www.scribd.com/document/327370355/Fiona-Cristian-Affidavit-ACT-S...

Fiona Cristian Affidavit
ACT Supreme Court / Court Of Appeal

https://www.scribd.com/doc/316218306/Three-Sets-of-Fiona-Cristian-Docume...

Dancing With Magic (Lies)
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Videos, Articles, Comments
And Pending E-Book
Love Fort Life
September 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8575

Dancing With Magic Part One
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
5th September 2015
https://youtu.be/hx7qJ7r2OS4

Dancing With Magic Part Two
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
12th September 2015
https://youtu.be/b_KuEFdKmnA

Dancing With Magic Part Three
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
13th September 2015
https://youtu.be/9pJc1NfnAcI

Dancing With Magic (Lies) Part Four:
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
16th September 2015
https://youtu.be/kSVURGwm1Go

Introduction To Kindom Video
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
6th March 2015
https://youtu.be/7SspPm9wRgo

To Be Educated Is To Have No Soul
The System Is Soul Destroying

Frederick Malouf & Michael Tellinger's
Contrived Gifting
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
1st September 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8586

Illumination IS Definition
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
26th to 29th January 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8577

IMAGE POWER
The Nefarious Tactics Used
To Disguise Truth And Distract Us
From Remedy

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
24th January 2014
This post contains many recent Facebook comments
and email replies which collectively provides a big picture
into exposing the deception behind IMAGE POWER.
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8496

The Pull Of E-Motion
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
8th February 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8499

Processing Curses
A Lie Is A Curse
Liars Process Curses

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
26th February 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8503

How The System Is Really Constructed
Bouncing Back Curses Upon Curse Makers
To Stop Harm Forevermore

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
27th February 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8504

Slave To A Name
Parts One, Two, Three, Four,
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd to 6th March 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8505

Educated Slaves
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
20th March 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8506

The Only Path To Freedom
Beware The False Steps

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 2nd April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8508

Free-Dumb For All
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 5th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8510

Revoking The Ego
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 8th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8511

How MAN Commits Spiritual Suicide
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life - 3rd April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8509

How To Detect Intel Operatives Working
For The New World Order Agenda
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 10th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8512

How The Psyop Program & Intel Networks
Are Messing With Your Head +
His-Story/Her-Story

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8513

Godzilla Through The Looking Glass
Destroyed By Name"

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 20th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8514

What It's Going To Take
To Co-Create Freedom Forevermore

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 22nd April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8514

Falling For Fairy Stories
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 24th April 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8514

A Disassociation From The Work
Of Kate of Gaia

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 17th May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8517

Separating The Wheat From The Chaff
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 22nd May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8516

Revolution Or Revolution
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 25th May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8520

Routing Out Psyop Programs
Routs Out Intel Operatives
Exposing Max Igan's Psyop Program

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 31st May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8524

The Psyop Program Scam
Behind Religion Belief Faith
& Associated Opinion

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
11th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8525

Another Delusion
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
11th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8526

A World Of Words Is A World Of Lies
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
13th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8527

E-MAN
The Name Of The Beast Is MAN

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 9th May 2014
Includes Mountain MAN Arrested
Facebook Discussion About "Name"
Uploaded 25th June 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8528

E-Motion
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 13th August 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8537

Discussion With Brother Gregory
Clearly Demonstrating Christianity
Is Part Of The Problem
And Not The Solution

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
Between the 12th May 2014 and 30th August 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8542

The Psyop Program Behind Free Food
And Permaculture

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
29th October 2014
Facebook Discussion With Unconditional Love Moon
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8544

Head So Strong
Music and Vocals Arthur Cristian
Backing Vocals and Vocal Effects Arthur Cristian & Hannah Wood
Lyrics Fiona and Arthur Cristian
Written during our spare time between Aug & Oct 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG4UQCTsqwU

The Time Of Trauma That Destroys Us
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
9th November 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8547

The Most Powerful Video On Spirituality
And Happiness FOR SLAVES
Or
How To Accept Slavery And Be Happy About It

Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
6th August 2014
Facebook Discussion About The Work Of Eckhart Tolle
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8548

What Can We Do What Can We See
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
A series of Arthur Cristian Facebook
posts and discussions
between 17th and 21st November 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8552

The Misuse Of Love By Intel Networks
To Create Doubt And Uncertainty
With The Intention To Destroy Love
And Therefore Destroy MAN
(True Freedom, Peace, Joy, Abundance And Truth
For Everyone)

By Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
26th November 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8554

The Void Of E-GO That Is Spiritual Suicide
The Justification Of Laziness
That Perpetuates System Creature Comforts
Ensuring Our Fall

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
13th December 2014
Massive Update Occurred 14th Dec 2014 3.10pm Sydney Aust time
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8556

Darkness Visible Part One A, B, C, D
The Freemasonic World In Plain Sight
Decoding George Washington Lithographs

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
14th December 2014
Part One A http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8557
Part One B http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8567
Part One C http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8568
Part One D http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8569

Darkness Visible Part Two
Yin And Yang, Duality, Spiritual Suicide
And Frank O'Collins UCADIA / One Heaven

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
14th December 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8558

Darkness Visible Part Three
How The Word Sausage
Re-Presents The New World Order
Boiling Point & Out To Get Us

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
27th December 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8560

Darkness Visible Part Four
Aleister Crowley - Thelema - OTO
And The Black Magic Psychedelia Of The Intellect

Facebook Discussion
4th to 10th January 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8561

Darkness Visible Part Five
Living MAN Fiona Cristian's Standing
+ Decoding Judeo/Judaism

Fiona Cristian & Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
24th January 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8562

Darkness Visible Part Six
The Many Fingers Of The Hidden Hand Appearing
YouTube Community Flagged A Video
Posted To The ArthurLoveForLife YouTube Channel
As Being "Hate Speech"

Fiona Cristian & Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
4th February 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8563

Darkness Visible Part Seven
The Full Responsibility For Setting
True Freedom For All Into Motion
In Present-Sense Forevermore

Fiona Cristian & Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
10th February 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8564

Who We Really Are Does Not End
At The Surface Of Our Skin

Arthur Cristian & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 22nd February 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8565

Introduction To Kindom Video
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
6th March 2015
https://youtu.be/7SspPm9wRgo

The Rot Parts One, Two, Three
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
5th June 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8571

"The Good Guys" And The "Bad Guys"
Working Together To Bring In
The New World Order

Arthur Cristian - 18th July 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8572

Can You Spot The Ego?
Where's Wally? Part One

Compilation of Facebook & Youtube
Insight Posts During Aug/Sept 2015
By Arthur Cristian
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8573

Can You Spot The Ego?
Where's Wally? Part Two

Compilation of Facebook & Youtube
Insight Posts During Aug/Sept 2015
By Arthur Cristian
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8576

Dancing With Magic (Lies)
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Videos, Articles, Comments
And Pending E-Book
Love Fort Life
September 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8575

Dancing With Magic Part One
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
5th September 2015
https://youtu.be/hx7qJ7r2OS4

Dancing With Magic Part Two
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
12th September 2015
https://youtu.be/b_KuEFdKmnA

Dancing With Magic Part Three
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
13th September 2015
https://youtu.be/9pJc1NfnAcI

Dancing With Magic (Lies) Part Four:
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
16th September 2015
https://youtu.be/kSVURGwm1Go

Illumination IS Definition
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
26th to 29th January 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8577

The Satanic Craft Of Inculcation In Practice
Fiona's ACT Supreme Court Affidavit Explaining Inculcation & Illumination
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
4th March 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8578

The Dark Side Of The Moon
The Background To "The System" Part One

Arthur & Fiona Cristian Chatting With
Jahnick Leaunier On The Tru-Mon Show
Love For Life - 24th August 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8583

Eric Dubay's Flat Earth Is A Cult
The Background To The System Part Two

Arthur & Fiona Cristian Chatting With
Jahnick Leaunier On The Tru-Mon Show
Love For Life - 31st August 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8585

To Be Educated Is To Have No Soul
The System Is Soul Destroying
Frederick Malouf & Michael Tellinger's
Contrived Gifting

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
1st September 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8586

New Love For Life Kindom Facebook Group
Started March 2015
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918
Includes 63 Minute
Introduction To Kindom Video
https://youtu.be/7SspPm9wRgo
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
and
Facebook Kindom Group Guidelines
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8566
The Love For Life website home-page provides
the bigger-picture background to the themes
touched on in this video: http://loveforlife.com.au

Crop Circles Are A Massive Hoax
Facebook Discussion On Simon Kawai's Wall
Involving Arthur & Fiona Cristian
31st August 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8470

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
27th February 2013 onwards...
Part One: http://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao
Part Two: http://youtu.be/tbybeOWZ-Bc
Part Three: http://youtu.be/yOWoxH-HbVw

Water Is The Life Of MANS Consciousness (Breath)
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 8th February 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8350
Part One: http://youtu.be/4ze66_33wxM - 70 Minutes 5 Seconds
Part Two: http://youtu.be/43gIi-sjxJc - 81 Minutes 13 Seconds
Part Three: http://youtu.be/oooY6W63K-M - 70 Minutes 18 Seconds

What Do You Believe On Origins?
Who Said There Was A Beginning?
Who's Truth Do You Accept?
Belief Is A Strange Idea.

Discussion Lyndell, Scott and Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Between March and April 2013
Posted 29th October 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8487

So You Want The Good Bits Of "The System"
But Not The Bad Bits?

By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 12th August 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8468

Turning Away From The Reflection
Of MANS Looking Glass

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
30th April 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8404

REMEDY

From Bare Dirt To Abundance
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

From Bare Dirt To Abundance Part Two
5th November 2014
http://youtu.be/TPTPn8tgcPI
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8545

From Bare Dirt To Abundance Part Three
7th March 2016
60 Minutes
https://youtu.be/SH9i8ZStzWI

Love For Life Food Forest & Native Garden March 2016
Extension Of The Love For Life Food Forest And Establishment
Of A New Native Garden At The Front Of The Rental Property
In East Bowral - 24th October 2015 to Mid February 2016.
15 Minutes
https://youtu.be/y-Uz8HmnSIM

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Divine Spark
Facebook Discussion With Raymond Karczewski
Arthur & Fiona Cristian & Others
2nd October 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8483

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

The Steps Of Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life 2006/2007
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

To explore these themes in greater detail go here where you can find links to all our Love For Life comments, articles, debates, discussions, videos, podcasts, etc: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

All the best
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Website: http://loveforlife.com.au
Email : action@loveforlife.com.au
Mobile : 0011 61 418 203204 - (0418 203204)
Snail Mail: PO Box 1320 Bowral 2576 NSW Australia
Facebook Arthur Cristian : http://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian
YouTube Arthur Cristian : http://www.youtube.com/ArthurLoveForLife

Register To The Love For Life Mailing List: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/09/05/14/mailing-list

Facebook Group Why Aren't We Free Discussion : http://www.facebook.com/164918753537287
Facebook Group Kindom/Do No Harm Community Discussion : http://www.facebook.com/151811728195925

Links below will kick in when the professionally recorded Love For Life music is released.

SoundCloud : http://soundcloud.com/loveforlife
Nimbit Music : http://www.nimbitmusic.com/loveforlife
Twitter : https://twitter.com/loveforlifemusi
Facebook Music : http://www.facebook.com/loveforlifemusic
YouTube Love For Life Music : http://www.myspace.com/loveforlifemusic
MySpace : http://www.myspace.com/loveforlifemusic
Google + Fiona Cristian : https://plus.google.com/100490175160871610090

Peaceful Transition Through Sacrifice And Service

We feel there is an essential peaceful do no harm transition required to get all of MAN back to standing on MANS feet without reliance upon another MAN for water, food, shelter. As it stands everyone in "The System" are highly dependent and reliant on the "group mind-set" that forms "The System" of slaves providing services and benefits for the emotionally addicted slaves to "The System" (and you can put us in the same basket too). The transition is to get MAN back to relying ONLY on nature without 3rd party interlopers, intermeddlers, interceders getting in the way. The transition is a team effort with the foresight for setting all of MAN free down-the-line so that MAN is no longer dependent on slaves and masters providing services, benefits, privileges and exclusivity while being bound to contracts, rituals, procedures, conditions, rules & regulations which compromises MAN severely.

This transition is all about shifting from limited liability/responsibility to full liability/responsibility. This full responsibility is all about caring for our health, nature all around us, clean uncorrupted (pure) water and food, partner/co-creator, children, shelter, animal-friends in partnership, etc. In "The System", we are already together destroying each other - we have to come together to create peace together so that we can all have peace. We cannot live peacefully when we are islands, not taking full responsibility for the lives of those around us until EVERYONE can take full responsibility for their life, which means that EVERYONE is healed of system trauma. In "The System", we all come together to make slaves of each other - now is the moment to come together to set each other free, to live for each other's freedom, peace, joy and abundance. Once we have set each other free, we are free.

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

"The Steps Of Kindom"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

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Once we fix these issues, we or our children or our descendants to come, can start focusing on the even bigger picture of getting back to where our ancestors were, as breatharyan's, before they fell into non-sense images to be enslaved by them.

All the best to you and your family
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Cristian Family Declaration

The Cristian family and The Love for Life Campaign are apolitical, non-religious, non-violent, anti weapons, anti drugs (both pharmaceutical and recreational) and anti any ideology that denies the existence of Do No Harm Communities (Kindoms) and suppresses the uniqueness and freedom of all men, women and children.

The Cristian family and our Love For Life work is unaligned to any big business corporation, intelligence agency, government body, "system" law, "system" think tanks, "system" green or environmental movements, religion, cult, sect, society (fraternity, brotherhood, sisterhood, order, club, etc,) secret or not, hidden agenda, law or sovereignty group, occult, esoteric, New Age or Old Age.

The Cristian family supports and promotes the remedy that brings an everlasting peace, freedom, truth, joy, abundance and do no harm for all of life without causing loss of uniqueness or the need for having slaves and rulers. We are not into following the one in front or being shepherds for sheeple. Most importantly, we take full-responsibility for everything we think, feel and do.

The Cristian family are not Christians.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

December 2006

The Cristian Family November 2006

THE CRISTIAN FAMILY PLEDGE

Being of clear brain, heart and intention, we each declare the following to be true:

• We have no intention of ending our own lives.

• We will not tolerate suppression of truth, ideas, freedom, or our work. We stand for freedom of speech.

• We stand together to support others in the expression of truths and freedom to speak out no matter how radical those ideas may seem.

• Standing for freedom takes courage; together we shall be strong in the face of all odds.

• If it is ever claimed that we have committed suicide, encountered an unfortunate accident, died of sickness/disease, disappeared, been institutionalized, or sold out financially or in any other way to self-interested factions, we declare those claims false and fabricated.

• We testify, assert and affirm without reservation, on behalf of all those who have dedicated their lives to the ending of secrecy and the promotion of freedom of thought, ideas and expression that we shall prevail.

• We Do Not Have Multiple Personality Disorders

Arthur Cristian
Fiona Cristian
Jasmin Lily Cristian
Emma Rose Cristian
Frances Hannah Cristian
Xanthe Jane Cristian

15th December 2006 (Edited/Updated 18th September 2011)

The Cristian Family November 2006

Update Regarding The Love For Life
Home Page And Quick User Guide

We are turning the Love for Life Quick User Guide http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 into a blog of all the main insights of our work since March 2005, whether through articles, videos, podcasts or discussions/debates.

As we do not have the time to compile everything we have written into a book, as many have suggested we do, compiling all our most important work into one area of the website is a way of providing easy access to this work so those interested are able to fully comprehend the big picture.

Instead of having to find our different articles, videos, etc, in various parts of the website, it will all be accessible here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385.

Love For Life Videos

As amateurs and posted in the Quick User Guide below the Facebook links, we're currently creating and posting a series of videos called "The Dream Of Life" which covers the ground of all the Love For Life insights. We plan to have the videos completed by December 31st 2012. Once this is behind us, our intention is to create a 2 hour or so video covering the body of this work. All videos are embedded in the quick user guide http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608 and uploaded in Arthur's YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ArthurLoveForLife.

Love For Life Music

We have started recording songs, with others, that express the themes of Love For Life. They are now being posted on Arthur's YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ArthurLoveForLife and are embedded in the quick user guide http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6608. We have over 100 songs to record. A few rough demos have already been used as the soundtrack on the first "Dream of Life" video.

About Us - Love For Life & The Cristian Family

Also, everything we, the Cristian family, have gone through, from bank fraud and the theft of the family home to death threats and attempts on Arthur's life, is documented in the Quick User Guide too. If you, the reader, are prepared to put the effort in, you will comprehend the extent to which we have all been tricked into becoming slaves, giving up our uniqueness and our full-responsibility for life and destroying everything of life to the point where life is in danger of dying out completely. You will also comprehend the remedy to all this chaos; a remedy that requires only love for life and the determination to do what needs to be done. Though our focus is very strongly on the remedy that creates a world of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance and Do No Harm for all of life without loss of uniqueness or the need for slaves and rulers, we realise that it is vital to comprehend how to get there and what stops us from getting there. This is why there is so much information on the hows and whys of everything going wrong in the world today. We are not into peddling conspiracy theories, we are into routing out all forms of organised crime.

Saturday 26th November 2011

Arthur and Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Website: http://loveforlife.com.au
Email: action@loveforlife.com.au
Mobile: 0011 61 418 203204 - (0418 203204)
Facebook Arthur Cristian: http://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian
YouTube Arthur Cristian: http://www.youtube.com/ArthurLoveForLife
SoundCloud: http://soundcloud.com/loveforlife
Nimbit Music: http://www.nimbitmusic.com/loveforlife
Twitter: https://twitter.com/loveforlifemusi
Facebook Music: http://www.facebook.com/loveforlifemusic
Facebook Why Aren't We Free Discussion: http://www.facebook.com/164918753537287
Facebook Do No Harm Community: http://www.facebook.com/151811728195925
YouTube Love For Life Music: http://www.myspace.com/loveforlifemusic
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/loveforlifemusic
Google + Fiona Cristian: https://plus.google.com/100490175160871610090
Register To The Love For Life Mailing List: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/09/05/14/mailing-list

1. For The Body Of The Love For Life Work by Arthur and Fiona Cristian

Which Unravels The Reasons For The Chaos, Mayhem and Confusion Being Experienced In The World Today, Explains The Need For "Community Immunity" and Responsibility, and Focuses On The Creation Of Kindoms - Do No Harm, Life-Sustainable Communities (As The Remedy That Heals All Mans Woes) - And How We Can Co-Create Them. For Comments, Articles And Discussions, Go Here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - Also Go Here To See Podcasts And Videos Posted by Arthur & Fiona Cristian: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7309 - The Information Shared Comes From Inspiration, Intuition, Heartfelt-Logic And Information Gathered From Nature And Many Amazing Men And Women Along The Way. It Is Not Found In Any Books Or Channellings, Or Talked About By "Experts". Go Here To Read A Brief Synopsis Of Why We Started Love For Life: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8182

2. For Information About The Ringing Cedars of Russia Series

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1125 and for more on Eco Homes, Villages, Organic and Permaculture Gardening and Life-Sustainability, etc, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3641 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1985 and Mikhail Petrovich Shchetinin - Kin's School - Lycee School at Tekos: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5173

3. For How To Eat A Raw, Living Food Diet,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5068 - LIFE is information. When we distort LIFE and then eat, drink, absorb, think, feel, hear, see, touch, taste, smell and perform these distortions, the information of LIFE, your LIFE, our LIFE, our children's lives, everyone's LIFE, is distorted.

4. To Find A Menu For The Extensive Research Library (over 8,000 items posted embodying over 11,000 documents, pdf's, videos, podcasts, etc)

Which Covers Topics From Health to Chemtrails/Haarp to Brain Control to Archaeology to Astronomy Geocentricity Heliocentricity to Pandemics Bird Flu Swine Flu to Fluoride to Cancer to Free Energy to Global Warming, 9/11, Bali Bombings, Aspartame, MSG, Vaccinations, Aids/HIV, Mercury, New World Order, Satanism, Religions, Cults, Sects, Symbolism, etc, etc, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/82

5. If You Would Like To Read About The Cristian Family NSW Supreme Court Case

(Macquarie Bank/Perpetual Limited Bank Fraud Condoned By Judges, Registrars, Barristers, Lawyers, Politicians, Public Servants, Bureaucrats, Big Business and Media Representatives - A Crime Syndicate/Terrorist Organisation) Which Prompted The Creation Of This Love For Life Website December 2006, And The Shooting And Torture Of Supporters Who Assisted Us In Reclaiming The Family Home, Joe Bryant And His Wife, Both In Their Late 70's, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5 And Read Some Of Our Email Correspondence With Lawyer Paul Kean - Macedone Christie Willis Solari Partners - Miranda Sydney May 17th-June 27th 2006: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7300

6. For The Stories Of Other Victims Of The System,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/australian_stories (If you have a story you would like us to put up, we would love to here from you:
action @ loveforlife.com.au)

7. For Documentation Of Harm Done By The Powers-That-Be And Their Representatives,

Evidence Revealing How Victims Did Not Break The Peace, Caused No Crime or Harm, There Were No Injured Parties. Documenting Incontrovertible Evidence Demonstrating How The Powers That Be (PTB) And Their Lackeys Will Break All The Laws They Are Supposed To Uphold. They Will Kidnap, Intimidate, Terrorise, Rape, Pillage, Plunder And Lie And Take Responsibility For None Of It. All Part Of Their Tactics Of Using Fear And Trauma To Keep Us In Our Place. Relatives Of Those Under Their Radar Are Also Not Safe From Attack And Intimidation. All Starting From A $25 Fine For Not Voting And A $65 Fine For Not Changing A Dog Registration. We Do Not Have Freedom And Can Only Appear To Have Freedom If We Comply. Regardless How Small The Matter The PTB Throw Hundreds Of Thousands Of Dollars Away To Enforce Their Will.... Go Here:
Fiona Cristian Reply To State Debt Recovery Office - Part One to Part Ten - From 17th October 2008 And Still Continuing:
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6319 or
Fiona Cristian Reply To State Debt Recovery Office
Part One: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5742 - From 17th October 2008
Part Two: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6135 - From 18th December 2008
Part Three: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6295 - From 9th January 2009
Part Four: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6296 - From 14th January 2009
Part Five: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6375 - The Sick Puppy - From 20th February 2009
Part Six: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6390 - Police Officers, Sheriff’s Officers, Tow Truck Driver and State Debt Recovery Office Blatantly Ignore the Law To Rape, Pillage and Plunder The Private Property Of Fiona Cristian - From 11th March 2009
Part Seven: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6445 - Affidavit Of Truth - Letter To The Queen + Australia: Fascism is Corporatism - From 30th March 2009
Part Eight: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6652 - The Pirates Auction And The Ghost Of VSL386 - From 4th April 2009
Part Nine: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7073 - Arthur Cristian's Letter To Pru Goward MP - From 15th December 2009
Part Ten: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7500 - Should We Be In Fear Of Those Who Claim To Protect Us? "Roman Cult" Canon Law - Ecclesiastical Deed Poll - The Work Of Frank O'Collins - From 13th October 2010

8. If You Are Interested In Information On Freedom From Statutes, Rule-Of-Law, Free Man/Free Woman, Strawman, "Person" and Admiralty Law (The Law Of Commerce),

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/895 - For Common Law, Democracy, Constitution, Trial By Jury, Fee Simple, etc, go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/category/main/law-articles-documents

9. If You Are Interested In Banking and Money Created (Fiat/Credit/Debt/Mortgage/Loan/Overdraft etc) Out-Of-Thin-Air, How Banks Counterfeit Money,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/banks

10. For A List Of All The Latest Posts In The Love For Life Website,

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/tracker

11. For Links To Many Hundreds Of Videos, DVDs And Podcasts

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/video_dvd

12. To See The Cristian Family Pledge, Legal and other Disclaimers

go here: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/06/12/05/love-life-legal-disclaimer

13. To Read About How A Representative Of The NSW Jewish Board Of Deputies Had Threatened To Shut Down The Love For Life Website

go here: Part One: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6616 Part Two: THE STEVE JOHNSON REPORT AND VIDEO: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6665 and Part Three: Latest Update On James Von Brunn: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6673

Conscious Love Always
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
action @ loveforlife.com.au
www.loveforlife.com.au
0418 203204 (int: 0011 61 418 203204)
PO Box 1320 Bowral 2576 NSW Australia

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THE CRISTIAN FAMILY SUPPORTS
FREEDOM OF SPEECH - FREEDOM OF THOUGHT

The Cristian Family November 2006

Posted Wednesday 17th June 2009
Updated September 2011

NSW Jewish Board Of Deputies
Has Threatened To Shut Down
The Love For Life Website

No Freedom Of Speech - No Freedom Of Thought

Love For Life does not support harm doing in any shape or form. However, we are supporters of free speech and post articles, documentaries, etc, that represent a wide cross section of ideas. See the Love For Life extensive research library where over 6000 documents, articles and videos are posted: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/82. We clearly see the evidence of the destruction to MAN and the earth that has been caused by ALL religions over the centuries and are therefore not supporters of religions, cults, sects or any group that demands conformity of thought, speech or action, or has rules, regulations or rituals that must be followed. Religions, nationalities and cultural "identities" are formed as a result of the brainwashing we receive from childhood. They are part of the tactics the Establishment uses to keep us all divided from one another and fighting one another.

All religions promote discrimination and division, leading to hatred and even violence and murder. None of them have yet to produce a remedy to all the suffering, poverty, unhappiness and discrimination in the world. If any religion truly had the remedy to all the suffering on earth, there would no longer be any suffering. What have Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, atheism and the New Age done to end the suffering in the world?

Since December 2006, there have been many attempts to take down the Love For Life website. Any attempts have been thwarted by Love For Life supporters inundating the harm-doers with emails, etc, objecting to them taking down the website for a variety of reasons. The trouble makers usually back off when they realise that they can post all their views, arguments, beliefs, etc, in the Love For Life website without censorship or restriction imposed. They get to see that even the Queen, Pope, Prime Minister, President of America, etc, can post all their views without hindrance or sabotage and that we support freedom of speech/thought which means we support the right of all sides to express their views.

Of note, there is a vast amount of information posted in the Love For Life website which we do not agree with but we leave it all up because we refuse to be biased, opinionated or self-centered/self-serving. Of the many thousands of comments posted over the years we have only removed posts containing secret links to commercial advertisements, terrible foul language, threats of violence and death, etc, and attacks on other people's characters that avoid the subject/debate at hand. Besides links to advertisements, we have taken down less than six comments due to the above. We usually leave everything up, all warts and all, even those posts threatening to do terrible things to Fiona, our children, our dogs, our friends, family & supporters, etc.

The Love For Life website has information from all sides on many subjects, whether about Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Law, health, psychology, mind control, vaccination, aspartame, MSG, Chemtrails etc. There are over 11,000 articles, documentaries etc on the website and they are so diverse that we are sure that everyone would be able to find something they loved and something they hated, if they took the time to search. If we removed all the articles hated by everyone, there would probably be nothing left! We are not anti anyone but freedom of speech is freedom of speech and no one should condemn the work of another without taking the time to research the subject themselves. Yes, there are articles by those who have a less-than-rosy-viewpoint of Judaism, but there are also articles on the dark side of Tibetan Buddhism (and it is very dark) for those who are interested in the truth: Tibet - Buddhism - Dalai Lama: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6271 Should the authors of these articles be abused and imprisoned for daring to challenge the widely conceived reputation of Buddhism as being the religion of peace and love and that of the Dalai Lama as a saint, or should those interested be allowed to study the work and come to their own conclusions? The same applies to all the articles, documentaries, etc, about Christianity, Islam, Freemasonry, New World Order, etc.

The Love for Life website also shows how the Rule of Law, the Bar, the Government, the Monarchy, the system of commerce, the local, national and multi/trans-national private corporations, all the courses and careers on offer from our universities, all the educators, scientists, academics and experts, the aristocrats and the Establishment bloodlines have also done NOTHING to end the suffering in the world. The website maps the insanity of a world where there is no help for those in need, just as there was no help available for us when we were victims of terrible bank fraud: "NSW Supreme Court Case - Macquarie Bank/Perpetual Limited vs Fiona Cristian - Victims Of Bank Fraud Condoned By Judges" http://loveforlife.com.au/node/5 (orchestrated, condoned and protected by an international crime syndicate/terrorist organisation of judges, barristers, registrars, lawyers, politicians, banksters, big business representatives, media moguls and other lackeys who, all together, put up a wall of silence despite our trying many, many avenues. After the family home was stolen and business destroyed we were left close to poverty and destitution caring for 4 young daughters. Three years later not much has changed regardless of all our efforts. Where were all the followers of all the religions to help us? Or do we have to be members of those religions to receive help from others involved in them?

The New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies accused us of being anti - Jewish, see: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6616 and http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6665 because we had posted an excerpt from James von Brun's book: Kill the Best Gentiles: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6054 in which he blames Jews for the problems of the world. Obviously this is not our view because of what we have stated above. We do not hate anyone, whatever religion they follow. We are always open to talk to any religious leader or politician and meet with any judge, member of the Bar, experts, academics, educators etc to share the remedy we offer that heals all the divisions between MAN and MAN, and MAN and the EARTH.

Today, a representative of the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies is threatening to close the website down, because they have decided it is anti - Jewish and that we promote racism. What has the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies done to end the suffering in the world? Can they show that they are concerned with the suffering of ALL men, women and children AND ARE SEEN TO BE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT or are they only concerned with Jewish affairs? If so, they, along with all the other religions that only care for their own, are part of the problem, not part of the solution. The man who rang Arthur today was only concerned with Jewish affairs; he was not interested in our intentions or in anybody else, just as most Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Catholics, etc, are only interested in their own. While we separate ourselves into groups, dividing ourselves from others with rules, regulations, rituals, procedures and conditions, we will never solve our problems.

No matter what we in the Western World Civilisation of Commerce have been promised by our politicians, religious leaders, scientists, educators, philosophers, etc, for the past two hundred years, all we have seen is ever-increasing destruction of men, women and children and the earth. None of the so-called experts and leaders we have been taught to rely on are coming up with a solution and none of them are taking full-responsibility for the fact that they can't handle the problem. All religious books talk about end times full of destruction and suffering but why do we have to follow this program when there is an alternative to hatred, mayhem and death? Why are our leaders following the program of destruction and death rather than exploring the alternatives? It seems that any mainstream politician, priest or academic are only interested in supporting the RULES OF THE DIVIDE, that maintain the haves and the have nots. For 200+ years, 99% of the world population have been so trained to pass on their responsibility for themselves, others and the earth, that the 1% of the population that make up the leaders of the rest of us are making all the decisions leading to the destruction of all of us and the earth. Let's not forget the education system that brainwashes the 99% of the population that we are free and have equal rights while, in fact, we are feathering the nests of those at the top.

At the root of all our problems is self-centredness, an unwillingness nurtured by the Establishment that keeps us concerned only with our own needs rather than the needs of others around us and the Earth. Instead of creating and releasing acts of love for those around us as gifts to benefit them and the earth, we take, take and take, until there is nothing left. The whole point of the Love for Life website is to show people the root of all our problems and to share the remedy. The extensive research library is there to attract browsers and to provide access to information not available through mainstream channels. If the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies can, after careful examination of our work, prove that anything we are saying is wrong, we will be happy to accept their proof. If they cannot, and they are still insistent on closing the website down, they will be showing themselves to be traitors to MAN because they are not interested in pursuing any avenue that can end the suffering in the world.

All religions, corporations and organisations that support and maintain the Western World Civilisation of Commerce are part of the problem because our civilisation is a world of haves and have nots, racism, violence, hatred, poverty, sickness, discrimination, abuse, starvation, homelessness, corruption, collusion, vindictiveness, social unrest, arrogance, ignorance, fear, war and chaos. While we support civilisation, we support death and destruction because ALL civilisations that have ever existed are apocalyptic by design.

If we truly want peace on earth and freedom for all, we have to let go of all that which keeps us divided, and come together as MAN, conscious living co-creators of creation. The Love For Life website offers a remedy to the problems we all face in the form of DO NO HARM COMMUNITIES: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3641 For more details see here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6511 and here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385 - We also highly recommend that everyone read the brilliant Russian books called The Ringing Cedars: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/1125 - The Love For Life Website Homepage also provides lots of inspiring remedy based information: http://loveforlife.com.au - If you want to be kept up to date with our work please register to the Love For Life Mailing List here: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/09/05/14/mailing-list. We usually send two postings per month. Presently (September 2011) there are over 7000 registrations reaching over 500,000 readers across Earth. The website now (September 2011) receives up to 12 million hits per month. Since December 2006, over 100 million people have visited the Love For Life website.

Conscious Love Always
Arthur and Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
17th June 2009

The Cristian Family November 2006

Clarification Regarding Our Intentions
Behind The Use Of Donations

The Love For Life website is offered for free without a fee and without any conditions attached. If people are inspired to donate money, then we accept their gift and have provided an avenue for them to support the work we do through Fiona's Paypal or ANZ bank account http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8515. There is no obligation whatsoever to donate and all are equally welcome to our work and to our "time", whether they donate or not. Over the last 9 years, all the Love For Life work has been put out for free and it has often been donations from supporters that have enabled us to renew the domain name, etc, to keep the website going. While some complain that we have an avenue for donations, others complained when we didn't! Either use it or don't - the choice is yours.

Since Love For Life started March 2005 and website December 2006, Arthur has worked 16 hours a day, 7 days a week unpaid for much of this period, putting together the website and sharing insights to wake people up to what has been done to them, whether through the 11,500+ individual articles, videos, podcasts, debates, discussions, pdf's, research documents, etc, found amongst the 8,500+ posts, as well as helping many, many men and women over the phone, and through email, website correspondence, Facebook and YouTube, and creating the Love For Life food forest vege garden and Love For Life music recording studio. This is our life is a gift commitment to serve MAN/Nature/Earth but we are still severely compromised by "The System" and still have to give to Caesar what is claimed to belong to Caesar, which is where the donations help us.

Fiona & Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
21st July 2014