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Mind Control and HAARP
Signs of the Times - www.signs-of-the-times.org
Thu, 19th Jul 2007 16:17 EDT

I received the following message from someone with whom I have been having a interesting email exchange. He was responding to our podcast on Mind Control, HAARP, and the Coming Catastrophe (http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/podcasts/listall?page=2). He didn't want to post it himself, hoping to preserve some anonymity, so I am posting it in his place. I removed a few personal references, but other than that, it is as he wrote it to me.

The dumbing down of the American public has been the subject of much speculation. It is blamed on the public school system, television, flouride in the water, computer games, and other things. The following looks at the use of technology:

My information only confirms the conclusions I heard on the podcast, but you know enough about it that maybe some of my anecdotes will confirm some things you've guessed for you as well.

You folks are right about HAARP, and that 'chemtrails' are an aspect of that system. What I know about these things is second hand, but not from reading internet sites (simulacra). I witnessed regular and elaborate grids laid out routinely over north New Mexico. I was struck by this as soon as I arrived to live there in March 2000. I lived just west of Santa Fe off of Hwy 599, an open highway but it was public knowledge that 599 is the 'disposal' route from Los Alamos labs for their radioactive waste. The public is advised to avoid if there's an emergency, but the disposal trucks travel the route to Texas with military escort unannounced. Shortly after locating there it happened that the Sandia forest had a serious fire that drove the scientists and personnel living around Los Alamos into Santa Fe. It became public television news that an acre of 'hot' waste had been kept in tents above ground for years, and for several days there was a scare that if the fire reached them that the smoke cloud would become radioactive(we could smell the smoke and see the haze in Santa Fe, so that was pretty 'real' to us). That didn't happen, but I saw many of these disposal trucks for a week speeding with hummer escort south on Hwy 599 past the residence.

At the time I knew nothing of Los Alamos except what all Americans know - that it was where the nuclear weapons had been developed. The entire time I lived in New Mexico, 2000-2004, that's what everyone in town assumed they still do primarily. And I did meet former personnel that spoke of the routine of radiation protective suits and wearing the badges that are used at the end of a shift to measure the daily radiation exposure of an employee and so on. Those guys I'm referring to were the common labor, the machine shops and general janitors who didn't know much.

But I did wonder, how many times do you need to develop nuclear warheads? What else were they working on there?

I only met a handful of technical people, engineers and one retired scientist. Security of the real secrets isn't very dramatic, labs with layers of classified to non-classified to top secret work going on organized such that the personality profiles of each layer behave exactly as they're tested for. And there is a 'Santaroga Barrier' aspect and vibe to career people working in these facilities -- they are controlled communities. The mind control is subtle, and it was that aspect that I was much more interested in comprehending than any kill widgets or deth gizmos they were up to in there.

The retired scientist I met was the type who only cared about his own interest, which was cold fusion. He'd been on the cold fusion team (his terms) for thirty years until, he said, the US government discontinued it. He had his own lab next to his beautiful home on the mountain, off Artist's Road, with a splendid view of the Los Alamos facility. Which, by the way, is a rectangle of titanium which buildings, white being so visible against the brownish lanscape of the high Desert as to be visible from orbit. Due to that I've wondered whether the facility isn't just a low level operation now with mostly what really would amount to 'makework', not the really secret stuff they'd be doing someplace nobody's ever heard of, and no doubt underground.

The only other person I knew who was employed not at Los Alamos, but at the Sandia Labs, is more interesting than Edmund Storms and his energy unimpressive home cold fusion laboratory. A last word about Storms....my intuition is that he and his team were probably set up by personality profile in full knowledge that they would never reach the breakthrough point. Intuition, because my reading of Storms is that he lacked the hubris that I think must be a trait in the scientists who do get the results. He's the type that likes the process of the experimentation -- playing with his test tubes and electron microscope too much. He's perfectly happy to say that cold fusion is decades away from being 'cracked' as a viable free energy source, and he believes that.
It would never occur to him that he may have been set up with a lab to conduct his timid experimentation for a lifetime, never intended to get results but just the opposite.

Have you ever read Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow? If you haven't it's a 'must read', for a novel. Regarding mind control triggers, you may have already suspected that J.D.Salinger, who supposedly wrote Catcher in the Rye was no author who came up with the book all by himself, but was one of the 'composites', a name put certain literature which is really written by teams. No one's figured out exactly what the triggers are in Catcher in the Rye that supposedly set John Hinkley and Mark David Chapman off into their assassin alters. I never have been certain whether to believe that Hinkley ever was under mind control in that sense at all, and that his trial and incarceration wasn't just theater. For all we really know he was CIA all along and went on to other assignments with his birth identity neatly tucked away in a mental institution, a real mind control victim serving as proxy, no doubt believing himself to be Hinkley.

And if you haven't seen the Paddy Chayevsky masterpiece Network in a while....take a freeze frame of the last scene, when the two television studio audience assassins stand up to gun down Howard Beal on national television. Doesn't one of them look a lot like Mark David Chapman would look in 1980? This film was released in 1976. The penultimate predictive programming masterpiece.

Yes, I've been aware of and studying mind control for a very long time. But I didn't realize the extent I was under control of it myself until 2002. But back to 2000-2001, the Santa Fe (chem)Trail ;-) , and suspicions of subtle mind control out of Sandia Labs.

Now, in 2000 I was still associating with people who were into the "occult". I'd been corresponding with the head handler of the OTO who lived in Santa Fe for a year before moving up there. His presentation at the time was still the hipster 'hippie', and he had his little circle of followers who met at his pueblo frequently. Sometimes for 'Resh', or Crowley's Gnostic psychodrama for catching the intrigue of the suckers on the outside to get them to want to get in deeper. The one with the silly costumes and incantations and hand signals, at the conclusion of which you get to quaff some wine and kiss a naked girl sitting on the alter....oops, I mean 'altar'. In 2000 they were still passing the bong around at these cozy gatherings. I gathered that the psychadelics which were abundant through the 90's had just been cut off...in Santa Fe...though I learned upon return to Texas that never slowed down in Austin.

So I already knew a bit about how formal occult cliques operate. You have your worshipful master, whatever he or she is called depending on the flavor of the draw, and that if that person thinks your fit material for programming pretty soon one of the members of whatever your sexual preference will start talking with you a lot and wanting to get personal. The one he picked for that role with me, or maybe she picked herself, was nice enough but not really my type. But she was working at the Sandia Labs in some classified capacity. The most interesting conversation I had with her, I confided my childhood experiences when I was living near a naval air station, things like having a year of insomnia from things like the bed vibrating each time I'd be on the cusp of sleep, and hums and such. Those phenomena has started abruptly and ended about as abruptly after several months.

She knew all about it, an proceeded to describe the same experiences in her home during he same years when this project was going on. MKDELTA. High band radio waves with a powerful transducer effect, both on things like bedsprings, and cranial bone.

I"ve had a knack....or used to.......for running into people out of heavy mind control histories. Like them all, she could speak of these things with first hand detail and matter of fact, since if you've been a subject it seems normal. But her department was evidently in the bio labs, another 'makework' project probably, she was too flaky to be involved in anything important--or secret--because only the real high functioning sociopaths with real hubris get to work in that stuff.

But I think I did meet one of those after all. In September 2000 I moved into Santa Fe near the Indian School, and my computer got hit by something that knocked out it's ability to download from the internet. I could connect, but not 'surf'. Another flaky woman I'd met who'd seen my ad for making web sites suggested a friend of hers, Cliff, whom she said did computer house calls and was excellent and affordable. I called him. He spend about 5 hours in my OS, and got it working. He removed an army of trojans and suggested I start using a firewall.

He seemed like the typical Santa Fe 50 year old technocrat who'd walked away from a career at Hewlitt Packard in Seattle to be a hippie malcontent. That's the story he told me. He also sounded paranoid to me, talking about 'special research' he was doing that had attracted NSA attention, warning me that the internet is a hand-me-down from DARPA and there's no such thing as privacy if you use it at all.

After he left I went to his web site, and on his page about his computer service, I found a link that took me into his site on chemtrails.
Now you've heard of this guy. It was Clifford Carnicorn...now very widely known as the first and most qualified chemtrail researcher on the internet. He's the one that as far back as 2000 got the 'toxins' story going. It was already on his web site, the story goes like this---

Working out of his house, he made crude weather balloons to send up into the residue of fresh trails. When recovered, he'd examine these, under a microscope, and doing home spectrography to see what was in the sample. So Carnicorn wrote the whole script on chemtrails containing -- aluminum, barium, but also bio hazardous suspicious stuff like red blood cells. And nasty bacteria that causes upper respiratory problems.

However, my maxim is 'don't believe what you read in the papers' ... During the four years I lived in Santa Fe, priveledged to see almost daily massive chemtrail gridding done by squadrons of high flying unmarked tankers of the Boeing 757 class, I heard much about the 'chemtrail people' convinced it was making people sick, reporting upper respiratory illness, flu like symptoms, and chronic fatique syndrome...but I did not experience these myself. And I never saw any of that 'angel hair' or 'matt of fibers' or 'yellow snow' you will find on all the chemtrail sites and Rense and all those people. Even Alan Watt pushes these chemtrail myths, though maybe he believes them as many people do.

But these memes begin with Carnicorn, and his web site was the very first to get this going. All those years I thought that Cliff Carnicorn was a re-tread hippie who'd left (or gotten downsized) from ordinary computer programming with Hewlett Packard, and that he was sincere. I never saw or corresponded with him except that day when he was in my house for 5 hours pretending to be a ne're-do-well PC repair guy.

Now get this. Last year, there was a chemtrails thread on another forum, and the administrator thinks the whole thing is rubbish, that people are imagining it, period. Naturally that fostered a division of posters some violently 'for' chemtrails, and others just a vehemently scoffing. I saw both were all wet in their conclusions, so I posted my experience that I'd witnessed them and mentioned Carnicorn as a reference site to find photos that I could confirm because he took them on dates when I saw those patterns being laid out myself.

But one of the forum posters who does actually research things, researched Carnicorn, and lo and behold he'd found out that Carnicorn, now by his own admission, was an atmospheric research scientist employed by the Department of Defense for eighteen years, ('retired'), who had top secret security clearance. Carnicorn's upgraded story is that he 'walked' on that career out of beginning to suspect that the DoD might be doing some research that might not be good for people! Same story he told me, except not Hewlett Packard, but DoD and atmospheric engineering to boot.

I felt a chill go up my spine recalling that this guy had been in my pc for half a day, realizing that nothing and nobody I encountered in Santa Fe had been so 'random' as I'd thought.

So Cliff is counterintelligence. That's confirmed, I think, at least for me.

But I'd not taken his site's word for it that chemtrails are for making us sick. They never made me sick. My own growing hypothesis from observing between 2000 and 2004 was that the operation was connected to Los Alamos research. And it had been Teller of Los Alamos who'd suggested high altitude spraying of aluminum particles, he said, to reflect solar radiation to counteract the 'greenhouse effect', which nowadays dovetails nicely with 'global warming' nonsense. Teller is the perfect example of a scientist who does have that maniacal ambition and hubris to go straight to the director's chair of the most evil projects and actually feed off that sense of power of millions of innocent lives. A deth dealer. So anything that Teller said publicly--you know it was lies and deception to throw anyone in the wrong direction.

What I did experience, and see everybody else experience, both in Santa Fe where there were chemtrails, and on my trips around the country, isn't people coughing but people lacking the basic emotional reaction to crisis. And lacking empathy to horror committed against innocents. And when I go into the city environs here, lack of facial and emotional affect.

It's like 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' and you obviously know what I mean, since you and your friends speak of precisely that on the 'POD' cast.

When I was in Florida for a couple of weeks in 2003, I didn't see chemtrails. When I moved here, haven't seen them except very rarely. I saw them for a few weeks before the Nov 2006 elections, that's about it.

So I've considered, 'why did people go numb, between 2003-2004, and stay that way since? The chemtrails aren't all there is to it. HAARP probably isn't all their is to it either.

What we have blanketing parts of Texas--the whole north Gulf Coast really--and Austin is microwave towers. And now everybody has a phone glued to their head anywhere they go, even have those 'blue tooth' things stuck in the ear.

I used a microwave phone for a few months in 1999, and didn't like it, so I haven't used anything by a land line since. If somebody wants to reach me when I'm out, they can leave a message on my machine. I grew up before this stuff, so I still find it creepy to hear somebody in a store say, 'hi' and start talking and there's 'nobody there'.

The mind control of the phones runs on mutliple levels ranging from behavior modification like that just from using the medium, to deeperlayers of altering brain structures. Now the towers are all over the place, you'd have to drive an hour or two away from a high population area to get out of their long range. I think that for those weak zones in the grid, that may be where the chemtrails and HAARP come in. They want FULL PLANETARY COVERAGE, 24/7, whether one has a phone glued to their skull or not. They're gonna 'reach out and touch someone', everyone. From the Amazon jungle to the Artic Circle.

So we're dumbed and numbed down now. But having studied the 'neurophone' and acoustical physics, and biofeedback brainwave technology back in the seventies when my techtronophile friends liked to play with this stuff, I know that they can make masses of people behave any way they want, just by adjusting the Hz.

When the Miami and LA riots happened in the early 90's, I knew that this is what they were experimenting with. At that time there was no microwave tower grid of the scope it's been since 1997, but cities could have concealed the technologies while it was still secret and figured the DIA was testing it on live populations. The 'rage' was triggered, and not just in those cities but in all cities during the 90's. Remember 'road rage'? People losing their tempers easily with clerks or people in stores during the 90's? I remember that during the Waco massacre, it was the first time I saw everyone go blank in Austin. And then from 1996 on everybody just seemed to go berserk. 1998 I saw needless auto wrecks every single day on the 183 semi-loop were I was working for a subidiary of Trilogy. That's where all the IT stuff was, all along that highway. I had lost my own business in 1998 and had to do temp work for a year. First job I got was delivery driver, so I was in and out of all the IT complexes loading docks and check points. DELL, Motorola, and a host of others. That 'culture' had come out of thin air in Austin between 1990-1996. They are definitely security conscious. Motorola for instance, uses military police at their checkpoints. I know the profile. And they had the heaviest security of all the complexes. Something going on there that was very secret. Going in and out of there wasn't just being flipped through a gate by saying 'Candy Gram', they detained you while they called in to a central office. Took a few minutes. Someone on the other end was checking out the car, driver's licence.

Well, that's my experience with this stuff. The world has completely changed since the mid 1990's, and they've 'done it' now. I wish I could just go back to the 70's...or better yet the 1870's and just stay there!

Link to this article: http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/articles/show/136757-Mind+Control+and+...

Reader Comments

About Alan Watt'S Chemtrail Conclusions By Adpop
Jury still out on Alan Watt as I look into his statements, but I'll say that he pushes the "stuff to make us sick" AND the "weather modification" AND the "creating a 'circuit' for bouncing HAARP mind-control waves around the planet" applications (this last he attributes to Teller, by the way), though he says, roughly, that these uses for the spraying were successively discovered and/or employed. Watt experts, please jump in and back up or contradict my impression based on what you might have heard from him, too. Mr. Watt has gone on to point out US Army and Air Force publications that effectively spill the beans about mind control being THE big push, and that was ten or so years ago, so you know it's fully mature by now, if not already then, which agrees well with this writer's observations. Allegedly the waves, all sorts from ELF to VHF, can be narrowed to induce a wide range of upsets and discombobulations even to specific individuals as long as they are within reach of a cell tower. Needless to say, these things are for use against civilian populations, not in our so-called "wars," which are designed and intended not to be "won," but actually to be prolonged to effect social change.

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Photos Of Chemtrail Planes? By Jgeropoulas
Regarding the subject of chemtrails, I just read an article in Popular Science (August, 2007 "Choking At The Olympics"), which included some interesting close-up photographs showing how planes are adapted for dispersing chemicals into the sky:

"...China has some of the worst pollution in the world, so bad it kills 400,000 Chinese annually. So, to clean up its air for the 2008 Summer Olympics, China is moving factories, banning taxis, and even modifying the weather...by "cloud seeding"... Invented in 1946...used in the U.S. and around the world, this technique uses specially-fitted planes to spray silver iodide particles into the clouds."

See photo here: http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/JGerop/?action=view&current=cont...

Photo's caption reads: "An airplane equipped with flares disperses silver iodide particles into clouds to force rain showers."

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Reader Comment By Robnitro
I've noticed that on some days people drive totally different, as if they aren't fully there. It is odd, and scary at the same time because they have almost crashed into me! Hmm...

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What'S On My Mind By Jgeropoulas
I haven't listened to the podcast, but have kept up with the topic over the years. For now, several reactions:
1) As for the proliferation of cell towers, check out this site [Link] It’s like MapQuest with tower locations marked. Be sure to zoom in 100% to get the full effect!

2) Mass mind control is totally believable, given the moronic nature of society at large. Just yesterday, I got a 12-year-old to tell me how the little “key-chain” toy worked that her mother claimed she was "addicted to." The screen displayed a little character and the goal was to "get him grown up." I kept thinking I was missing the point, but, no, the game amounted to nothing more than A) pushing the Left Button which would assign a task done by B) pushing the Right Button C) then repeat. She’d been brought in due to poor performance in school, hmmmm.

3) I think it's very interesting that my “great awakening” came after relocating into an apartment down in a narrow valley famous for poor cell phone reception. Interestingly, this valley adjoins Elitist neighborhoods which have prevented cell towers from being constructed--ostensibly, because they're so "unsightly". (I guess you can pull this off when CEO's of 2 of the nations largest banks make some phone calls). Also, after the move, I didn’t re-connect the cable TV and didn’t renew my newspaper (highly recommended).

4) Also, interesting, about 6 months ago, I found a great site discussing mind-control projects and research (http://educate-yourself.org/mc/). I soon returned to the site, only to read this editor’s note: “Somewhere between May 18 and May 30, 2006, this mind control index page was surreptitiously erased from my web server and even from my hard drive. Apparently, someone doesn't want this topic ventilated before the public. I had to retrieve an old copy of this Mind Control index page from a disc…”

This page on that site (http://www.educate-yourself.org/mc/index.shtml) is an excellent compilation of all the Senate spending appropriations for mind-control

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What'S On My Mind Correction By Jgeropoulas
The last link was not correct. Here it is:

4) Also, interesting, about 6 months ago, I found a great site discussing mind-control projects and research ( [Link]). I soon returned to the site, only to read this editor’s note: “Somewhere between May 18 and May 30, 2006, this mind control index page was surreptitiously erased from my web server and even from my hard drive. Apparently, someone doesn't want this topic ventilated before the public. I had to retrieve an old copy of this Mind Control index page from a disc…”
This page on that site ( [Link])is an excellent compilation of all the Senate spending appropriations for mind-control

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Reader Comment By Ken
"What I did experience, and see everybody else experience, both in Santa Fe where there were chemtrails, and on my trips around the country, isn't people coughing but people lacking the basic emotional reaction to crisis. And lacking empathy to horror committed against innocents. And when I go into the city environs here, lack of facial and emotional affect".

The above quote from the above article confirms my own observations.

I get the impression that when chemtrails are used as a means for mind control in conjunction with electromagnetic radiation then it turns people
into un-reactive automatons.

I also would get the impression that the world around me suddenly turned into a photographic negative of itself. Black became white. White became black.

Friendly smiles would appear as 'evil smiles'. Friendly laughs would become 'evil laughs.' People would, at a very subtle level, take pleasure in the pain of another.

That's the impression I would get but it
wasn't always like that. People who notice this 'spraying' might THINK that they are always being sprayed when all the military might be doing is just flying maneuvers.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and sometimes...

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Killing Lots Of Birds By Snowalker

Chemtrail's from what I have learned in the last six years, serves multiple puposes. The fact of their existence, in my opinion, is no longer an issue. The Hughe's (as in crazy Howard) patent is on file for all to see. The issue is really one of intended purpose. This writer has done a good job of relating his own personal experience against the meme's and I concur with his assessment. What are facts with regard to chemtrails is that they DO reflect solar radiation (bird #1) and that the presence of aluminum makes the atmosphere more electrically conductive (bird #2). Pathocrats are not stupid. Getting this kind of return for their efforts would be very compelling. Whether or not one believes that the PTB are intending to use this technology in this way does not matter. One still cannot escape the verifiable scientific result from the spraying of this material.

What one DOES with this information is, of course, another story.

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Emotional Affect By Allenb

That really jumped out at me. I don't think that the technologies described are the whole story behind this, but there is no doubt that the American people have become emotionally bland. Stories of torture and children being blown to bits or shot in the back by an IDF soldier only seem to illicit the most cursory emotional response from people these days, like, "oh, that is so horrible," then it is forgotten.

As Edmond Burke said, ‘The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.’ The ruling psychopaths seem to have taken this to heart, putting a lot of effort into making sure that emotional reactions of normal people, which might lead them to action, are suppressed.

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Very Thought Provoking By Lynne
And we definitely need more people thinking!

There have also been instances when I could swear that something was "in the air", as it seems that everyone I talked to was sad one day, and in a good mood another day, or didn't sleep at all one night, or was grouchy. I mean EVERYBODY that I talked to was this way on the same day.

It made me stop and wonder just what the heck was going on. And as I read more and more about HAARP I realized that this could be what was happening.

And to be able to create a lack of emotion in a whole nation would not be that hard for these people. Or have a nation "up in arms" and want blood for a lie that they can't perceive (9/11 anyone?). Just tune those Hz to whatever emotion you want to evoke or numb and there you go.

Thanks for the article. It seems to verify a lot of what has been written elsewhere.