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Illumination IS Definition by Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 26th to 29th January 2016

The Cristian Family November 2006

Illumination IS Definition


Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

26th to 29th January 2016

Link: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8577

By email, Noel wrote today.... "hi Arthur, have you seen this and could you please comment after you read them all. http://www.annavonreitz.com

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Hi Noel

The man-made (Freemasonic/Satanic) matrix that is "The System" of fallen MANS enslavement does not end where The Church of Christ (encompassing all derivatives of/with the word Christ or Church) begins. The Church (of Christ/whatever) IS ONLY "The System" too. No matter how far you go back into recorded a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 his-story/her-story (history) you are still traversing ONLY inside the ILLUMINATION confines of "The System" practised by Freemasons/Satanists performing the black-magic craft of turning MAN into slaves UNDER THEM.

Replacing "The System" with another version of "The System" is NOT a remedy which is what is happening here http://annavonreitz.com where The Church is supposedly seen to be making right what has been made wrong and to us, this is what Judge Anna Von Reitz of Alaska is standing for.

Pre the constitutional corruption over the American people which Judge Anna Von Reitz of Alaska clearly points out in this July 2014 document "1. My Dear Archbishop George" http://annavonreitz.com/annavonreitz.pdf where she is writing to Francis Cardinal George, Archbishop of Chicago, "The System" of ILLUMINATION (definitions - see recent Facebook thread copied below which explains this brilliantly crafted deception in practise) is still being performed by Freemasons/Satanists.

The explained/instructed/suggested/educated illusion of freedom is NOT your freedom. No matter how fantastic it may appear to be on the surface, the temptations on offer from these practising illuminists does not have any believer actually leave "The System" - all remain enslaved. No one has returned to freedom because they all do not have unique original dreams created by them. Instead they live ONLY for illuminated dreams created for them by others. For more on this, refer to the Facebook post below.

Watch out for the intense verbosity of Illumination being projected by "Good Guys" as clearly seen throughout the work of "Judge Anna Von Reitz" because to us, its ONLY purpose is to continue mesmerising the duped people through storytelling so they remain under the discombobulating, intellectualised image power of Freemasons/Satanists acting continually and purposefully as their brain-controlling slave masters.

The Church is fiction. A b, c, 1, 2, 3 is fiction. All constructs/concepts derived from alphabets (definitions of illumination/meaning = the intellect in practise = spells set into motion as e-motion crafting e-go) are fiction too. "The System" is fiction (trauma) and everything in and of "The System" is fiction (trauma) too. Judge Anna Von Reitz does not show anyone how to completely escape "The System" in this life never to return and neither does "The Church" with all its re-presentatives of Christ/whatever. It is all a scam.

Judge Anna Von Reitz and all re-presentatives of The Church/whatever are clearly acting as pied pipers leading rats through the matrix maze of "The System" of ILLUMINATION without ever leaving "The System" in this life. Whatever is planned to befall "The Church" down the line, the Freemasons/Satanists phoenix (THEIR INTENT/DREAMS FOR THEIR DESCENDANTS/CHOSEN ONES/SHEPHERDS) will rise from the ashes as "The System" of "Good Guys" overseeing the brainwashed under another feel good/god (cosmic galactic universal divine oneness/one earth/world/people) guise.

Just because Anna Von Reitz, David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, Mark Passio, Michael Tellinger, Michael Tsarion, Santos Bonacci, re-presentatives of "The Church" or Freemasonry with all its Occults, Esoterics, Science/Alchemy, Politics, Law, recorded History, etc, and a cast of thousands of other false prophets/pied-pipers/storytellers are revealing the vast truth of Illumination practices performed by their ancestors/brethren/orders of Freemasons of long ago, over the people (all our ancestors), does not mean that they are actually committed and determined to set you, your descendants and everyone else free down-the-line from slavery.

To us, through the continued use of deceptive illumination (organised crime) tactics, these crafty liars are determined to keep you, your children, your family, friends, loved ones, extended community, etc, as SLAVES under them, under their authority forevermore.

The greatest lie and liar is the one closest to the truth. They cause the greatest damage of all and that's because victims have been trained/conned to trust them. It only takes one lie/liar to destroy a whole mountain of truths. One tiny drop of black into a bucket full of pure white corrupts it all.

"We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us" = if they can get you to think (dream) what they want you to think (dream) and con you to set their dreams into motion, you will create their dreams for them. The black is "The System" still keeping everyone trapped in "The System" because they all still believe the black (lie) is white (truth). No matter how convincing black may be about freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, all still remain enslaved under the spellbinding authority of Freemasons/Satanists.

No matter how far you traverse the "awe-inspiring" historical storytelling intellect of a practising illuminist such as Anna Von Reitz, you, the reader, have never left "The System", "Their System" of power and control (rape, pillage, plunder of MANS life-force-energy) over you and everyone else still trapped in their illumination. A quick scan of "1. My Dear Archbishop George" was more than enough to be conscious of what is really going on with the work of Anna Von Reitz. There was no need to read further.

Watch out for the "Good Guys" because they all come from the same interconnecting bloodline orders/lodges/sects/cults/societies/fraternities/brotherhoods/sisterhoods/families of "Bad Guys". We would not be surprised to find out one day that Anna Von Reitz, David Icke, Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Diana Spencer, George Bush Junior/Senior, Prince William/Charles, etc, etc, all come from the same bloodline, one way or another. The same ancestral blue bloods carrying out the illumination dream of their founding father, the grand architect, who is also known as Satan, a living MAN just like you and us from "long ago".

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

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Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10208447517853570

Arthur Cristian

The Cristian Family November 2006

Illumination

26th January 2016

Defining what already exists is an illusion. It's in the meanings of these alphabet words that MAN became and continues to be lost to reality. Who we really are does not require definition for us to exist and be whoever we really are. Definition separates and boxes reality from reality. "The System" is the program of definition set into motion by believers. Defining who we are (how we feel, think, act and what we own) limits and inevitably completely destroys reality (LIFE/EARTH/NATURE/MAN). We only define an illusion to be in the image of that illusion (separation from reality). Sadly, many have joined in this dangerous game of definition causing almost the whole of EARTH/MAN to be destroyed before our very eyes. We only suffer because we define reality. Will enough of us wake up and be part of a current mass exodus out of "The System" never to return, back to nature/reality before it is too late? Defining is the reflection of man-made darkness spreading to blanket all of reality.

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Our last comment posted to this Facebook thread............

29th January 2016

While we (Arthur and Fiona) are still in "The System", still partaking of the illumination by using the read and write alphabet languages and the constructs and concepts, as well as some of the benefits and privileges of "The System", we are not in denial of the fact that this is what we are doing and that we are still supporting immense harm while we are doing so.

In 2005/2006, when we woke up to what was going on, we had a choice to either take our children out into the wilderness and raise them solely in nature, learning how to live without anything of "The System", or to stay in "The System" and do what we could to wake others up so that together, we can bring it down from inside and get rid of it forevermore.

Obviously this is the choice we made and we did so because we knew that us going out into the wilderness wasn't going to stop "The System" and its continual spread of harm. We also knew that, wherever we went, "The System" lackeys would eventually catch up with us and we would be murdered along with everyone else.

We are still doing everything we can today to wake up others both by using the internet and by creating a living example of Kindom, a way of life without "The System".

Since we started the Love For Life website in December 2006, we have been inundated by tens of thousands who have either suffered at the hands of "The System" authorities or who are self-centred gold diggers, looking for a way to get their hands on financial freedom. Along with them are those who want to stick it up the arses of the authorities. They are all looking for remedy in "The System", as we originally were back in 2005. What we came to see, and what we always tell those who write to us, is that no matter the avenue taken in seeking a cure, there is NO REMEDY to be found in "The System".

To maintain power and control, the Freemasons who control "The System" must control all outcomes in "The System". Any precedence of a cure that is allowed to occur outside of their control, as in promissory notes, UCC, bonds/Cestui que trusts, commercial redemption, etc, would cause word-of-mouth to spread so fast that the whole of "The System" would collapse, literally overnight.

For example, if everyone was able to cash in on their bonds/Cestui que trusts, all money, assets, commodities, etc, throughout "The System" would instantly be worthless. If everyone had a billion dollars, everything in and of "The System" would be worthless and all power would also be instantly removed from all titles, deeds, offices, standings of authority, etc.

Unless it suits them there will be no precedence forthcoming. Lots of red herrings are out there designed by Freemasons and their intel operatives to raise hope for the duped slaves who continue digging deep down into numerous rabbit warrens in hope of discovering the golden egg/silver-bullet but they will never discover a remedy because none exist. The whole of "The System" is an illusion.

There is no remedy to be found in fiction to cure the ills of MANS befallen "state". It is a slave system that we are all in and our slave masters have no intention of allowing the establishment of a precedence for all slaves to follow. Whatever is allowed to crumble is by design and under their control and the outcomes are in their hands because they control all the leading players on all sides. The only remedy is a mass exodus out of "The System" in this life, never to return. This remedy is a quiet, peaceful, calm, non-revolution.

As children, we are all hijacked to become the cogs in the wheels of "The System" progress of civilisation of our enjoindered enslavement (blue collars, white collars, labourers, etc). All the benefits, services and privileges of "The System" come only from the labour of slaves serving "The System" of their co-creating enslavement. To want any remedy, benefit, service or privilege from "The System" is to want to perpetuate "The System" of slavery and destruction to the living until none remain. To write to anyone of authority in "The System" is to already admit your slave status because only slaves do this. A MAN is not answerable to another MAN, unless harm has been caused.

We become slaves when we learn the definitions of the constructs and concepts of "The System" through the education of "The System". While we rely on the definitions of "The System", we raise up the illumination of "The System" by default. All our life force energy is directed into "The System" of our ongoing mutual enslavement.

The illumination is "The System" of men, women and children continually propping up the dead definition of "The System" and, as a model, it has many sameness models within it, all system choices of illumination that we give our life force energy to, thus illuminating the definitions. No matter what changes the winds may bring, slavery continues under many guises.

In our slave state, we are conned into directing the light of our own projections into the definitions that are the illuminations we fall in love with, deceiving who we really are into believing that we are that light and that the images we are projecting our light into are who we really are.

We are creators and we suffer because we have created that suffering through the images that we have given our light to. We are pulled into the lies that are all the destructive e-motions out there and we think that they are ours - my anger, my depression, my jealousy, my ownership, etc. But they are just the reflection of illuminations, the reel of film that we have accepted as part of the dreaming of our lives.

There is nothing else out there creating the pull. We are just experiencing what we are creating, which is why we feel the pull. It is the experience of falling into the illumination of whatever definition that we have fallen in love with. We are Alice Through The Looking Glass, falling into Wonderland. Alice is the entity, the e-go, the demon that possesses who we really are.

The Looking Glass is who we really are projecting our Alice-demon into the definitions where we perform Alice in Wonderland. Our attraction to Alice is what drags who we really are into performing in "The System" of many Wonderlands that are the narrations, the dance, of "The System" that we project.

The Looking Glass is the mirror, the reflection that is the pull of whatever we are dreaming for (experiencing) here and now. This pull is the placebo effect that keeps us all trapped, living out the Stockholm Syndrome because we are in love with our reflections (creations). The definitions got to us and we were too dumbed down to realise what was happening to us. No matter where we were, we were always sailing on the sea of definition. We remain fallen (in love) with illumination.

When we experience mass healings, or the Virgin Mary's tears, or whatever miracles we see in our religions and belief systems, we are creating these miracles with our life force energy projected into our belief that these miracles can occur. The statues cannot do anything and there is no external power healing; we are creators and we are creating according to our beliefs. The definitions that we put our life force energy into are passed down through the generations as we lovingly bring up our children in the images of whatever definition we have fallen for.

We, the living, are always present with the presence of life (LIGHT) in present sense but the definitions are not. The light of the living of all those who believed in and worshipped Jesus, and the power of Jesus to heal is still amongst us, the living, here and now in present sense. It is the collective life force energy of MAN directed into the voodoo definition circumscribed as Christianity, or whatever belief system we conjure up or latch onto.

When we are projecting the definitions, we have accepted the will of another man's intent and we use our will to create that man's dream of life through us and for us. This Satanic practise of illumination starts extremely early in life as we are trained by default, through the definitions we are conned into performing, to release the will of creating our unique original soul and to allow the will of others to create their fake dream of our life through us, as us, using our will.

Giving up our will is unconsciousness. We are no longer conscious of how we are using our will and the effect it is having on us and others. Performing the third party definitions stops us creating our unique, original dream of life here and now in present senses and expanding that. Therefore, we are not expanding a unique, original soul, instead we are expanding the will of another man's dream. This is how the unique, original soul fades away to oblivion. We do this through the unconscious misuse of our will.

Full responsibility is acting according to our free will without limitation (without unconsciously projecting illumination). This is consciousness because we are fully conscious and aware of what we are doing, what we are thinking and feeling and the effects of our living dreams on us and others.

In "The System" under limited responsibility/liability, we are acting under someone else's will, through many forms of persuasion, obligation, manipulation, temptation, coercion and intimidation. This illumination happens in the law, politics, entertainment, institutions, etc. We are compelled through the programming of unconsciousness we have been conditioned into, to exercise the laws, and the rules and to fear the consequences of not performing to the program. Our conscious will is not there.

We are unconsciously using our will to remain totally under the will of others and we become unable to take conscious action without that outside input. This is how we become system zombies, blind to what has become of us. We comply and acquiesce to the will of others and, in most cases, we have no other option because we are totally asleep to our zombie state.

We become puppets to whatever influences come upon us as we mimic the speech, mannerisms and habits of those we look up to, all the while desperately pretending that we are not just following along. We can be so easily manipulated by whatever our puppet masters wave in our faces that we follow the Yellow Brick Road they set out for us, all the while being conned into believing that we are "forging our own path", "creating our own journey".

We are in total denial that all we are doing is rushing down prescribed pathways, totally oblivious to who we really are and totally numb to any original dreaming that whatever is left of our soul is trying to inspire us with.

Our unconsciousness is why we accept unnatural vaccination with all its trauma and all other forms of trauma in "The System", none of which comes naturally from nature. Instead the unnatural trauma of illumination comes from the unnatural definitions that form the unnatural fear, doubt and uncertainty the we learn to perform as unnatural zombies, leading us to accept the unnatural trauma of "The System" that includes going to war, accepting vaccinations, accepting the authority of others, eating badly, taking drugs, and anything else that does harm to who we really are and to the living dream of life.

We have accepted an unnatural, unconscious (illumination) way of life and this is where we bring up our zombie children, with just a few improvements to our slave conditions along the away.

We see this illumination behaviour in many of those who come and visit us. It is as though the TV is turned on and the re-run of an old episode begins but they act as though what they are saying is unique to them, of importance and with experience and weight behind it. But when pushed to back up the script, there is nothing of living substance (life-experience) there. All we get is a void of nothingness, a parrot chirping illumination on its perch.

What is really going on is the waving flag of a badly damaged esteem, where confidence (consciousness) has been shattered and they are looking to fill the void of unconsciousness that comes from needing the approval of others because they have given up their will to be conscious. The void of unconsciousness comes from having given up their will to create their unique, original soul so they practise using their will to maintain the unconscious void of hopelessness and helplessness, all of which was projected onto them by others.

The will to create the unique, original soul here and now in present sense has long ago departed because they have given up the exercising of their will to create their unique, original dreaming (thoughts) that forms their unique, original lives. All we have is someone mimicking the definition of illumination. This is why their eyes often go blank and they don't know what to do. Who they really are is not here, not present amongst the living. It really is a sickness that almost everyone affected is in denial of. Children raised by nature do not have this issue. It is only children raised by the definitions of unconsciousness that forms "The System" of perpetual zombie states. Unless children learn to consistently exercise their will power through stamina building activities and creative interests with nature that do no harm, they do not exercise the innate will power that creates a soul.

Children raised by the definitions are reflecting the e-go so they bond with the e-go because that is all they know. They are empty of soul. When children are brought up by nature, they are inspired by their direct, sensory experiences so they do not have the illuminating reflections of definitions forming self-centred dreams which the e-go consists of. Instead, the sensations of nature's stimuli inspires them to dream as the horse, the bird, the river and the wind. They are no longer defined in a box, a prison, so their soul naturally expands as far as they dream.

The education of "The System" is gradually dumbing down each generation more and more until the creation of a world of zombies is complete. By comprehending (sensing) the big picture of what we are sharing here, you will come to see/sense how blatant the Freemasons are in their intent to hijack us all and make everyone their lifetime slaves, discarding all those who do not fit the mould. Their HAARP frequencies, implanting devices into us, poisoning us with their food and water, etc, etc, are all part of creating a new type of "conscious" MAN that meets the design of the feel-good, feel-god, Oneness, cosmic, galactic New World Order (NWO) that they live for. Genetic manipulation has been going on for a long, long time and they show no signs of giving up. It is obvious that many are breaking out of these prisons because many are contacting us to tell us what is going on for them.

At the extreme of Satanic ritual abuse and sacrifice, victims are broken down and broken down as they are taken to the edge of death and brought back again, over and over until they willingly give up their will (soul - whatever remains of it) and let the will power of the Satanic priests dominate as the victim releases their soul (will-power) to be captured and directed into whatever alphabet incantation the priest is conjuring up. To have any impact, they have to use the living to form the definitions of unconsciousness. The water of the breath and the blood of the dying victim are captured and that e-motion of unconsciousness and lack of will are embodied into the blood letting and blood libel rituals that form the clearly defined definitions of fiction that they use to control others, remotely or otherwise. This is why we are encouraged to eat traumatised, dead animals and other unnatural, deeply traumatised, dead food and liquid. It keeps us in that dead, unnatural state. For more on this, refer to Darkness Visible Part 5: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8562

As we learn to "spell" English, we are conjuring up the death of the unconscious to become in the image of the deep asleep, dead soul. This is spelling in practise, the power of the hypnotist that puts us into a state of unconsciousness using our free will. All read and write alphabet languages are tools of unconsciousness and everything that comes out of them is to put you in that unconscious state. When we get lost in the definitions of illumination, we are also unconsciously giving up using our free will consciously. Everything of "The System" is a fiction so, no matter which way we turn, we continue being acclimatised to unconsciousness, limited responsibility/liability. Lost to illumination, we are sucking on the nipples of those who tell us how to think and feel and how to act. Who we really are is not there and whatever is called to be brought forth is only the void of e-go.

When we go to the movies and watch a horror film, the impression of that horror can leave an illuminated imprint on us that can control us until we stop letting that definition have any power over us. This is no different to what is described above, except that we are totally unconscious of what is being imprinted upon us. In the public domain, the Freemasons have gone to great trouble to white-ant these sinister methods through movies and other forms of sleep inducing entertainment. We think this Satanic tampering only happens in the movies, or in obvious forms of fiction. But hey, we are all told through definitions that we are conscious and that we have the free will to choose! Little do we realise that we are actually unconscious thanks to the definitions that keep us in a deep, fictionalised state of unconsciousness.

An explained consciousness is just an explanation (illumination) of a definition that we have been taught to parrot, but this is not our consciousness because we are not consciously creating that conscious dream through direct, sensory experience with nature. All we are doing is mimicking the will of another MAN's definition of consciousness as our "claimed" consciousness. But who we really are is not there. Thanks to illumination, we left the vessel long ago. There is no freedom here.

Being a fiction, the narration of the illuminated definition is being passed down through time and space coded constructs/concepts. This is why we have read and write alphabet languages that we use to produce books, libraries, churches, cities, societies, civilisations and recorded his-story/her-story, etc. For this deception to be pulled off, the definition has to be circumscribed into a material, physical form of fiction so that the images of definition do not fade away from our imagining, leading us to forget the pantomime that we are performing. If we forget the illuminated pantomime of definition, we will stop creating it.

When we read our children fictional stories and buy them trinkets from the shops, they are projecting the continued formation of a fictitious self/e-go that they form attachments to by unconscious default, because it is the e-go that is attached to the fictional story or dead-corpse trinket. If we can read them a fictional story and they can understand it, they are already lost to the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 soup bowl of illumination. By default, they are already sailing on the seas of illumination. As babies, they hear the alphabet sounds (incantations) we make (spell) as we speak definitions of spelling (hypnotic suggestions) and see our gestures and body language. Even then, through observation and sensory stimuli, they are learning illumination because we are acting it out for them.

Children are taught to circumscribe definitions to form the illuminated e-go they re-present as the vessel they sail on the seas of illumination. That circumscribed vessel is the "name", reinforced by the child's knowledge of the mother and father's names, their address, their extended family his-story and the goings-on in their surroundings, etc.

Communication through alphabet languages is the way an illuminated vessel is designed to form and set sail on those seas of illumination because it is the read and write alphabet languages swirling full of definitions that form the definitions of a fake life in a fake reality. While the child remembers the "name", the vessel remains intact and seaworthy (see-worthy - see-wordy). It is through the "name" that the child forms the attachment to the stories and trinkets. This is who the child thinks it is and we train our children to default to the e-go, as we were trained also. Most of us are so attached to the e-go that they really have barely any, if any, idea of who they really are, however spiritual they may think they are.

As living MAN, they have no living connection to anything of "The System" because nothing of "The System" is of the living dream of life, of their real lives. Therefore, in order to form attachments to anything of "The System", they have to form their e-go so that they can enter into and perform in "The System" where the fictional stories and trinkets have meaning and value.

We cannot dance in the soup bowl if we do not know the definitions that make up the soup bowl, the matrix.

We are all performing the rituals that were performed by those before us. It is through these time coded rituals that we give up our power (conscious free-will) to the Freemasons who act as administrators of the definitions of unconsciousness that we give our power to. By default, this is how "The System" works, and there are high level Freemasons who know this tactic and use it against everyone, including their own brethren.

This is why the Freemasons have gone to so much trouble to educate us. They have to get at all of us to pull off the scam of the NWO which is just one pantomime of one MAN, the Grand Architect, who they all worship in their illumination act. Presidents, Prime Ministers and all those in positions of authority and persuasive influence who have sold out to this scam have all fallen into the worship of the scam definition and they are all being used by the very few who know how it really works.

We all know that Hollywood is all smoke and mirrors; the rituals and apparitions of the high level occultic Freemasons are no different, however horrific they may appear in their moving picture definitions. There is no after life, no other worlds and dimensions, no rewards after death. They have all been deceived.

None of the rituals and apparitions of the Freemasons and all occultists, gnostics, etc, have any power; the definitions got to them first and they were too dumbed down to realise the power of the illumination that they fell in love with and continue to worship, as witnessed by the current, almost total destruction of the dream of life.

We are all still projecting the e-go into the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 soup bowl, making us all trapped.

We were just not given full disclosure as innocent children of the illumination scam that we are being conned into creating.

For example, when we write to someone in "The System" as an authority, asking for an improvement in our conditions and circumstances, we are already admitting that we see them as having the power to change our lives. These are the clear signs of our slave mentality. When we really woke up, we realised that there was no point in writing to anyone out there about anything because we were the ones fully responsible for our real lives and it is ONLY up to us, here and now, to change our lives forevermore. We are no longer passing the buck - no more back doors.

"The System" is the way it is because, through the projection of illumination, we take limited responsibility for our real lives. We raise the so-called authority figures of "The System" onto pedestals, up above us and accepting our lowly status below them. The definitions of unconsciousness that form "The System" are designed to promote and maintain this status quo, as can be seen in all the religions, governments, law, commerce, etc. Race, culture, creed, class and nationality are all derived from system definitions.

The intent to deceive us is woven into the design of every aspect of "The System", which is why it is so hard for us to unravel the deception. No matter which way we turn, we are met with illumination and the authority figures of "The System" still stand strong, kept in their positions by our belief (projections) in them.

The wonderful sounding New World Order with its emphasis on Earth, eco-living, natural healing, spirituality, etc, is just as interwoven with illumination as the current version of "The System", but most do not spot the deception as they are so lost in the illumination that they are only relieved to find what seems to be a remedy to the current harm, cruelty, destruction and injustice that we can all see clearly.

They are still trapped because they are still lost in the performance of the e-go in "The System", the illumination, which is why they, the living, are still trapped. The entities that they have created to perform are still sailing on the seas of illumination. We have never left the intellectualisation of projected illumination. The zombie narration of definitions continues.

This is why we say that defining what already exists is an illusion. It is in this light of truth that the whole freeman/sovereignty movement, all religions, political movements, philosophies, laws, occults and esoterics, astrology, numerology, quantum physics, New Age, etc, are bullshit because only the entities that we have conceived out of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, that we project, can perform these pantomimes. Who we really are is still sailing on the seas of bullshit - the sea being see, we see only bullshit and believe that it is who we really are and what we are really part of. We remain blind to the fact that it is bullshit. We have fallen in love with the demon-self (illumination) of our projections. We love our light (illumination).

The Freemasons who travelled Earth to find the tribes of uncorrupted MAN co-creating with nature, came as missionaries, scientists, botanists, doctors, surveyors, etc. They were responsible for introducing their crafted definitions of deception to the tribes so that they gave up their consciousness and eventually evolved into the cultures of race, creed, etc. The tribes had to be got at under the "name" and educated into these definitions before they could live them and spread amongst their children and the generations to follow. The Freemasons then sent in their already defined armies to decimate the tribes and break their links to nature and their will which broke down the uniqueness and originality of their dreaming.

From that opened up the rising up of the dead definitions of race, culture and creed everywhere as land became countries, nations, states, territories, principalities, civilisations, cities, numbers, streets and suburbs, all labelled under the "name" and containing everything that we find in "The System". While this was happening, MAN was also being labelled and pigeon-holed into courses and careers to form titles and standings under "name".

When the Freemasonic ships first appeared on the horizons of "new lands", their ships, their clothing, their sounds, their materials, etc, appeared alien and foreign to the innocent MAN on the land. Their alphabet languages sounded like Martian talk, gobbledygook, going right over their heads. MAN on the land were unable to understand the constructs and concepts of illumination without being educated into them.

Through invasion and assimilation, the Freemasons shaped what we now know as the Arab world, forming their culture and the movements of the tribes, the conflicts, definitions set against definitions, e-gos acting out with other e-gos, all gradually leading up to the situation we are in now where the Arab world will be a major player in their end times, possibly both as good guys and bad guys, designed to usher in the NWO.

An example of how this works was seen in Cambodia where the Freemasonic, CIA funded "Bad Guys" Pol Pot regime was used to decimate the tribes living in the forests and village people, paving the way for the "Good Guys", also funded by the Freemasons, to come in and rescue what remained of the tribes and set up schools of illumination and system infrastructure so that all the children would eventually forget their heritage with nature and join with everyone else in the illuminated Western World being raised up by definitions. This is how they create order out of chaos and how they conquered and assimilated Cambodians.

Definitions merging with definitions merging with definitions are what is creating the NWO, the merging of tribes of MAN with tribes of MAN to introduce multiculturalism and politically correct "sameness" models of "conscious" MAN everywhere, bringing them all together to form the one world definition of consciousness that is the NWO One World definition where everyone merges under oneness where all uniqueness and originality is banned. This would be impossible to do with tribes that had not been exposed to definitions, hence the Freemasonic centuries across their recorded ages spent on introducing illumination all across Earth. Without illumination, they wouldn't be able to move the building blocks of the definitions of the NWO into place.

It is obvious that the soup bowl definitions came first because, without the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 definitions, we cannot even begin to play the e-go game of self. Everything in "The System" happens by intent through design. The definition is the intellect, the illumination. It is the greatest tool of the Freemasons. The intellect is their god, symbolised as Lucifer. The sea of illumination is the intellect. Unless a child is exposed to the intellect by their parents performing the definitions of the intellect, the child cannot begin to form an e-go. We have allowed demonic definitions to take over our real lives so completely that we do not know how else to be. All we know are third party definitions that make us all blind to our senses. We deeply love what we see through the looking glass. In "The System", we are the embodiment of the ALL SEE IN G (i). All seeing (G) God, the dream of the Grand Architect. We see his definitions and are creating (dreaming) lives in his image. LOLLLLLLLL

Through e-go, we are sailing on the sea (illumination) of his dream. The Book of Life that Freemasons, Gnostics, Satanists worship, is the illuminated dream of the Grand Architect.

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The above was copied from this Fakebook thread: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10208447517853570

The full thread is copied below the next post.

The Cristian Family November 2006

Illumination Is Inculcation In Practise, IS GOD


Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
2nd March 2016

Adding to our recent article, "Illumination IS Definition" http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8577 .......

Inculcate

From here: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/inculcation

in·cul·cate (ĭn-kŭl′kāt′, ĭn′kŭl-)
tr.v. in·cul·cat·ed, in·cul·cat·ing, in·cul·cates

1. To impress (something) upon the mind of another by frequent instruction or repetition; instil: inculcating sound principles.

2. To teach (others) by frequent instruction or repetition; indoctrinate: inculcate the young with a sense of duty.

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Through the water of MANS (our) breath and through belief, faith and associated opinions, we can direct our life-force-energy into man-made images (dreams) that become the coveting/blanketing HOODS of illumination superimposed over who we really are and what we are really part of.

For example, when we explain to a child that the life form over there is a daffodil and is yellow, when we explain that this is freedom, this is God, this is consciousness, this is earth, this is Mars, etc, we are superimposing third party information over the child's direct, sensory experience with the life form, freedom, God, consciousness, etc. The illumination becomes the third party, brought by the projectors of illumination who become the dominant influence over the child. The illumination now controls the child and its life on earth.

The unconscious worship of illumination which is what happens through all forms of man-made read and write alphabets (spelling forming spells) that have us be at the effect of illumination which is all about raising up the dead apparitions, demons, constructs, concepts, thought-forms, intellectual-property, storytelling, fantasies, illusions, definitions, history (IMAGE POWER), etc, to effect us.

The Image Power is just the dream of one MAN of "long ago" called The Grand Architect or Satan and the illumination is the craft and practise of setting this MAN'S dream of many dreams into motion. Our collective brainwashing into the images of the Grand Architect has us be compelled to perpetually act out the practice of setting his dream into motion.

The image power is our attachment to this dream as we have been trained through a vast array of binding (e-motional), trauma-based practises to give our life force energy to it and to keep doing so throughout the whole of our fake, system lives.

All Freemasons/Satanists worship this MAN'S dream.

Bringing our/MANS' life-force-energy into this MAN'S dream is the light (life-force-energy) of illumination. It is our light that brings light to the dream of the Grand Architect. This is what is meant by the light of Lucifer; it is not just his light, it is also our light that we are projecting into his dream, his light, that being the worship of the intellect, the collective body of information (the grand-collective of ALL "system libraries") that makes up the whole of the Grand Architect's dream, "The System", and its evolution, supported by all its devotees who have given it their light ever since.

The darkness is this MAN'S dream that we bring light into, to raise it from the dead. It is darkness because it is not our unique dream that we have originally created. The collective orders, sects, cults, societies, lodges, fraternities, etc, of all initiated Freemasons/Satanists/whatever are devoted to kidnapping/hijacking all children across earth, generation after generation after generation, and bringing them fully under the light of Lucifer, NEVER TO LEAVE.

The ONLY intent (purpose) behind the "existence" of these Masonic/Satanic brotherhoods and sisterhoods is to get all of MAN to bring light (illumination) to Satan's dream, to this darkness, and keep it that way.

This INTENT is what "The System" is built out of and this is what illumination is all about. GOD IS The dreamer, the Grand Architect, the MAN, and the light of his heaven is his dream, made up by all who worshipped it ever since. All Freemasons/Satanists bring his heaven to earth (MAN).

There are many methods used to bind us to this MAN'S dream and raise it above any unique original dreams that we may have. Besides horrific ritual sacrifices, these Satanic methods of INCULCATION include the use of trauma through the stress and demands of "The System", all the obligations that we have to meet, and the threat of losing the benefits and privileges of "The System" if we do not comply. They also include sport, entertainment, fashion, fast food and all other "system" distractions.

The laws, the governments, the churches/synagogues/temples/mosques/etc, the universities, institutions, corporations, etc, and all the occults and esoteric practices are there to keep us in this MAN'S dream, HIS MYSTERY (ministry) of many mysteries (ministries). "The System" is ONLY the inculcation continually working on you as a devoted slave to its offerings.

The Government is his ministry - it is not yours. The courts are his ministry - they are not yours. The churches/etc are his ministry - they are not yours. The universities are his ministry - they are not yours... etc, etc..... All who re-present/administrate the above are his angels (includes rock stars, actors, authors, celebrities, etc) and they collectively bring light to his heaven on earth. This is why you, on earth, have been kidnapped and brainwashed.

The lies and illusions of going to hell and of going to the light in Lucifer's world mesmerise us and keep us dancing to the tune of "The System", in spite of whatever we believe and fantasise about. All judges, politicians, priests, experts, academics, professors, etc, are of his ministry.

They all worship Satan and they all hold the key into his heaven, his grand ministry. All who go before them or are under them are already locked and trapped inside their God's heavenly paradise. Their victims must never escape and this is why they do not see you, the MAN, They only see the intent (the light of Lucifer) they worship, the inculcation working on you before them. You must be in Lucifer's light for them to see you. A, b, c, 1, 2, 3 is this light (lie) that has overcome you so early in your life which you have never escaped since.

We bring this light of illumination into their courts, governments, churches, banks, economies, etc, (HALLS OF THEIR POWER) because we worship Satan's dream. How else do we continue to raise (prop up) his DEAD WORLD?

AND WE DON"T WANT THE KEY TO OUR LIVING FREEDOM. Instead we fight "to the death" of our fallen "state" to keep our fake lives locked inside their bullshit heaven.

They have no intention of giving you the key to your freedom. To do so is to allow their heaven to crumble into smithereens.

Those who attack you through the courts, institutions, corporations, religions, governments, etc, are offering only darkness. They have nothing of the light to offer because who you really are, your soul, is not there because all that surrounds the targeted victims is illumination, the darkness.

The whole of the court system, and every other institution of "The System" is fraud because the illumination and the fake e-go that is crafted out of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 incantations and acts it, is all third party. Education, instruction, explanation and suggestion are not proof of fact and belief, faith and associated opinion in the dead does not mean that they exist, that they have a soul, a life of free will without a MAN acting in third party on their behalf. They don't stand. They are all make-believe which is fantasy and illusion, making all believers delusional.

Incantation

From here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/incantation

noun
1. the chanting or uttering of words purporting to have magical power.
2. the formula employed; a spell or charm.
3. magical ceremonies.
4. magic; sorcery.
5. repetitious wordiness used to conceal a lack of content; obfuscation:

ɪnkanˈteɪʃ(ə)n

noun

a series of words said as a magic spell or charm.
"an incantation to raise the dead"

synonyms:

chant, invocation, conjuration, magic spell, magic formula, rune;
the use of words as a magic spell.
"there was no magic in such incantation"

synonyms:

chanting, intonation, recitation
"the ritual incantation of such words"

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The magic is the intent of those who created the words with their intended effects upon their victims. This is what the courts, governments and churches, etc, are all about.

The angels of their God's heaven use invocations to create fantasies built out of story-telling, the illumination, for us to claim so that we project the e-go into their claims so that we can be claimed by them under their authorship, their copyright, their authority. It is their heaven we are addressing here. The whole of the process of the law, with all its precedences, acts and statutes, is based on this lie. We are conned into acting in their Wonderlands of illumination that are in all their books, libraries, universities, mysteries, etc.

The intention behind those who craft and practise illumination is to use incantations, invocations and inculcations to direct demons of illumination into a make-believe life-experience (of that effect) upon unsuspecting victims, all of which being a singular and collective placebo effect forming the Stockholm syndrome (belief, faith, associated opinions) that we are enslaved to (at the effect of).

Invocation

From here: https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=...

An invocation is an appeal to a higher power for help, such as a prayer for serenity or a plea to the rain gods during a drought. An invocation often refers to an appeal to something not of this world, such as a god or a spirit, but it can involve an appeal to any higher power, even one that is flesh and blood.

From here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/invocation

[in-vuh-key-shuh n]
Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin

noun

1. the act of invoking or calling upon a deity, spirit, etc., for aid, protection, inspiration, or the like; supplication.

2. any petitioning or supplication for help or aid.

3. a form of prayer invoking God's presence, especially one said at the beginning of a religious service or public ceremony.

4. an entreaty for aid and guidance from a Muse, deity, etc., at the beginning of an epic or epiclike poem.

5. the act of calling upon a spirit by incantation.

6. the magic formula used to conjure up a spirit; incantation.

7. the act of calling upon or referring to something, as a concept or document, for support and justification in a particular circumstance.

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The higher power is the inculcation of definition that we are educated into and therefore elevating 3rd party actors under costume and title to a higher standing over those under an invocation spell. 3rd parties as in judges, barristers, lawyers, politicians, priests, experts, etc.

Under lock and key, we keep bringing our e-gos into their Wonderland because we still want their services, their heavenly water on earth, their heavenly electricity on earth, their heavenly money, roads, supermarkets, shopping centres, entertainment, internet, Medicare, handouts, governments, philosophies, religions, occults, esoterics, alphabets, mathematics, education, commerce, insurance, stock markets, banks, cities, arenas, lifestyles, benefits and privileges, etc. We continue to bring our light into their heaven which is why we remain trapped with no way out.

Almost everyone effected by alphabet "education" is unconscious of what has happened to them because they are never given full disclosure about what has been done to them and how it works, the inculcation. Unconsciousness is the inculcation effect of illumination on them - they are not conscious of how they continue to use their free will to support their destruction, their heaven on earth, which is the inculcation of complete and utter annihilation in practise. By destroying who we really are, we are destroying everything.

If we were conscious, we would not support this but we remain lost to their beliefs, faiths and associated opinions, projecting them into everything we experience (raise the dead up) so that we find proof/validation for what we believe. The act of the e-go is what binds our bodies to the heaven on earth, "The System" of inculcation that we worship.

In "The System" we are a world of men, women and children raising the dead (illumination constructs), raising the illumination that keeps us ever trapped in "The System", never able to find a way out. All of us under the spelling are practising the spells of raising up the dead. By doing this we are doing harm to and destroying a living dream that exists without the need for illumination. We are projecting illumination over everything of nature, our lives, our children, etc. This is the unconsciousness that we blindly worship, bringing the third party illuminists into our first party lives, acting as the authorities and experts over us.

We are being destroyed by liars peddling lies and we also become liars peddling lies as we cling to and protect the justifications of our dependency on "The System" and on our e-motional ties to everything of "The System" that we worship, including our fear, greed, selfishness, doubt, uncertainty and all the destructive character traits that we practise, such as hatred, rage, pride, righteousness, judgment, that we all cover up through fake, "nice" e-go personalities.

Every time we get up to the clock, make breakfast, send our children to school, get in the car, watch TV, go to the supermarket, pray in the church, get on a plane, pay taxes, turn on the garden hose, go on the internet, go to the bank, use our credit cards, use their services and enjoy their entertainment, write in alphabet languages, work with numbers, and perform all the thousands of system habits that we practise day in, day out, we are practising inculcation. Even sickness and disease are inculcation in practise. When we are compelled to perform through the fear of consequences or force, such as obeying court orders or kowtowing to Police Officers, we are practising inculcation.

The lust for power and control is inculcation in practise and is death in practise because no MAN has power over another MAN. It is only the illusion of power given by the acquiescence of those who are practising the inculcation of submission to those who are practising the inculcation of power and control.

We are worshipping death because what we are doing re-presents death to us all as we bow down to illumination, bringing their world of Lucifer to light, practising the ritual of death to our souls. This is how we become unconscious zombies.

Just because all those around us are practising inculcation is not proof that it is doing no harm, just as no matter how much we talk about consciousness, there is no proof that it is living and real unless it is plain for all to see in how we are living. The fact that we are all practising inculcation is proof that we do not know who we really are and have lost all connection with the unique, original dreams of our souls. Under inculcation, nothing we are attached to is our unique, original dream

We are practising death because we have already died and we keep the lid on our souls because of all the thoughts and dreams of others that are filtered into everything of our thinking. Nothing of our real soul is there for us to connect with and be inspired by. We are robots of "The System" pushed and pulled by our compelling e-motions of fear, doubt and uncertainty that have us bow and scrape and rush to fulfil our inculcation obligations, grateful when we are given our inculcation benefits and privileges and allowed to pursue our inculcation interests and hobbies.

Under inculcation, we have all become the murderers of children as we lovingly train them in the art of inculcation. We are keeping them in the darkness of illumination, training them to forget their souls and their unique, original dreams. Everyone in "The System" is practising this murder of innocent children and showing them how to become murderers of souls too.

All the fear, doubt and uncertainty we experience is not ours. We have nothing to fear from life because life has already given us everything we need, just as the eagle and the wolf have everything they need, if they are left untampered with by "The System". We are trained to doubt that which we already are as MAN and to forget that the living creator of life will not abandon us if we do not abandon living creator.

It is impossible to fake consciousness, peace and love, which is why there is none to be found in "The System". We cannot be conscious while we are still living unconsciously, be peaceful when we are at war and be loving when we are destroying life every day by the way we live in this Wonderland of inculcation, using our life force energy to project illumination images of death to all of life.

We are raising up the dead because there is no soul in any of the images of illumination. Our soul is NOT in those dreams - they are not unique and original to us. They are NOT our dreams. We (the living consciousness of MAN) did not create them - the unconditional love of our living light is not existing in them as we find in the horse, the tree, the wind, the river, the insects, the mountains, etc.

They have no life, no will power, no connection to our real life, which is why we have to raise them up out of no life with our life force energy as we construct the physical, material and mirage forms of these dead, soulless images, building cities, roads, communications systems, libraries, entities, etc, in their image, becoming drained in the process because these BLACK images of illumination need our life-force-energy and give nothing back. They are not designed to.

We are transformed into slaves for the inculcation that perpetually props up their dead heaven on earth.

Without our slave labour their heaven will no longer be raised up from the dead out of earth/nature.

Just how much more of nature/earth/MAN can we consume as consumers of the inculcation programming before we completely destroy it all in one big bang?

Under "name", the spelling inculcation at work is the E-GO that we were all conditioned to live for. Lost to this abomination we have no soul. The a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 of E-Go raised from the dead is tied ONLY to "The System", to their starry, glittering heaven as in my money, my land, my freedom, my consciousness, my life, my thoughts, my dreams, my saviour, my prophet, my messiah, my channelled ascended masters, my occults, my esoteric practises, my politics, my laws, my footy team, my lifestyle, my car, my electricity, my petrol, my contracts, my career, titles, standings, my country, my city, my suburb, my home (address), my birth certificate, my drivers license, my passport, my medicare, etc, etc, etc....... ALL OF IT FAKE.

This illumination dream of another MAN teaches us to give up our souls, becoming unable to sense them and unable to sense our ancestors who are part of the living dream of life-creation (they created everything we sense of nature/earth) that we are also part of.

We are trained to give up our souls to the DEAD-images of illumination, forgetting who we really are and what we are really part of. Thanks to desecration, our natural pure and sincere (sacred = unique and original) purpose for the living dream of life has been hijacked. Instead we create and expand their heaven on earth.

Through our belief in the illumination, we become the slaves and robots to it, constantly creating our destruction, justifying and justifying our slave status and our greed and selfishness that we are unable to give up because of the trauma we feel at being compelled to perform in "The System" as we get up to the clock everyday, go to work at jobs we don't like, struggle to maintain the rent or the mortgage and to keep food on the table.

Totally reliant on the benefits of "The System", we cling to the illumination of our slave masters who are the only ones who are achieving their dreams of power and control, even though those dreams are also of illumination and give them only short-term benefits. They are short term because the death of their souls through spiritual suicide is all that they are practicing.

We are now heading towards an explained, instructed, educated, suggested One World system of illumination, albeit disguised as an eco-friendly, consciousness, Oneness freedom peddled by illuminist "freedom" gurus, where the wrapping will have changed but where we are all still submitting to those masters of illumination who want complete power and control over us. The work of the David Ickes, Deepak Chopras, Oprah Winfreys and Russell Brands, and thousands of other liars is all heading to this because each of them is playing their story-telling part in the Grand Plan that they have sold out to.

By submitting to the illumination, we are committing murder because we are allowing the destruction of our souls, other souls and the destruction of nature/earth.

The whole of "The System" is a dream, someone's intent, to have us all living and breathing illumination. Our breath is a living creation full of our dreams and intentions but when we fill our breath with the thoughts and dreams of others, we are ignoring the unique and original dreams of our souls. Our breath is our senses, our intuition and our creativity. Where there is no breath, we cannot sense and this is how we end up under the influence of illumination where we create and live lives of non-sense, unable to recognise the absurdity and madness of continually creating our collective destruction.

Illumination is a dream, the matrix, and dreams are man made because they require the intent of the living to exist and be the effect they are intended to be. Thoughts are dreams and the intellect is a collection house of thoughts of illumination that form a make-believe world that requires our life force energy to exist.

IS = ISIS

I S (is)

I - (i) as in all seeing "i"

i see i (e-go) - e-go only sees e-go. Lost to fantasy, the victim only sees the fantasy

IS is the snake = sssssssssssssss as in Adam, Eve, Snake and the Forbidden Tree Of Life and its fruit, the apple.

Definitions of the snake is God.

The worship of the e-go raises up the Grand Architect (SATAN) as God.

You are in Satans world and it is best you get out of there ASAP in this life never to return.

For more on all this, refer to the home page of the Love For Life website http://loveforlife.com.au and "Illumination IS Definition"
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8577 and to Darkness Visible Part 5 http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8562

The Cristian Family November 2006

Facebook Thread For
Illumination IS Definition

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10208447517853570

Illumination is defining a definition raised up from the dead (imagined out of thin air - out of what does not exist = fantasy, illusion, delusion), directing our/MAN'S life-force-energy (LIGHT/LIFE) into the definition so it can be given a make-believe existence/image/language out of which comes a physical/material form constructed from immense harm and destruction to what already naturally exists (nature/earth/MAN).

The illuminated definition (false idol) continues to be worshipped by believers who join in the frenzy of indoctrinating, brainwashing, educating, instructing, explaining, suggesting innocent others to also illuminate (worship) these dead-corpse con-structs/con-cepts.

MAN and MANS dream of life is supposed to be unique and original, not one the same as the next but we have Freemasons mesmerising us with sameness images of illumination that we stupidly conform to so that our uniqueness and originality is lost/forsaken/rejected/ignored/given-up.

Wherever we look in "The System", this illuminated sameness is ONLY what we find; hypnotised men and women giving their life force energy to false idols, as in religions, movements, beliefs, lifestyles, alphabets, occults, esoterics, politics, law, etc.

Even those deceiving us are deceived as they are also worshipping false idols to become the drones of their beliefs.

It starts with the fallen (Freemasons/Occultists/Gnostics/Pagans/Satanists/etc) for innocent others to fall BUT all are deceived.

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Douglas Joseph

I am not IN the system, that gamepiece does all of that for me. A man cannot be in that illusionary/fictional realm/world you speak of you see. Only "entities" may do this.

When you fail to recognize you are making YOUR SELF an entity, YOU will continue to deceive your SELF. People are doing it to THEMSELVES! That is THE most important part of understanding why I wrote this paper:

amazing how NO ONE gets this! that seems paranormal to me.

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Arthur Cristian

Falling into the looking glass of illumination IS the Stockholm Syndrome of a Placebo Effect - all have fallen deeply in love with their reflections/illuminations (THE ENTITY) projected in their image. We both create and experience the fall through the entity. We create the vessel that is the entity/demon/strawman/e-go and set sail on the seas of illumination.

Through the entity/self-ego/demon, we can't dip our toes into the seas (storytelling) of illumination as in commerce/"The System"/etc without also dragging our real lives into the fantasy world too. This is why Arthur is still in "The System" but is NOT of "The System". The "make-believe-time" we spend dipping our toes into the seas of illumination is the "time" we spend being immersed in doing harm to what already (/really) exists starting with who we really are. Currently, almost all of MAN is in denial of this fact. Apathy reigns supreme.

Intellectualising a way around this demonic "phenomena" continues the make-believe existence of an entity sailing on the illuminated seas of fantasy and illusion - the e-go has still got us by the balls We continue to be trapped. The MAN is still partaking in dong harm. The intellect is of the e-go, the illumination - many who think they are waking up are actually still trapped in the projections of their illumination.

Even as the child projects the reel of film into the cinema of life, the child remains trapped in the storytelling fantasy (Placebo Effect) - the film (Stockholm Syndrome) - even though the child did not create the illuminated reel of film.

For most, they are in the film of illumination believing who they really are is in the film too, yet not realising that ONLY the e-go/demon/self they re-present was there during all the "time" of their ACT. Who they really are is NOT to be found. - They had already given up their soul (creating their unique original dream of life).

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Arthur Cristian

The above was in response to these comments/discussion found in this thread on Arthur's Facebook wall 25th January 2015: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10208447517853570

Copied in full below.

Arthur

Defining what already exists is an illusion. It's in the meanings of these alphabet words that MAN became and continues to be lost to reality. Who we really are does not require definition for us to exist and be whoever we really are. Definition separates and boxes reality from reality. "The System" is the program of definition set into motion by believers. Defining who we are (how we feel, think, act and what we own) limits and inevitably completely destroys reality (LIFE/EARTH/NATURE/MAN). We only define an illusion to be in the image of that illusion (separation from reality). Sadly, many have joined in this dangerous game of definition causing almost the whole of EARTH/MAN to be destroyed before our very eyes. We only suffer because we define reality. Will enough of us wake up and be part of a current mass exodus out of "The System" never to return, back to nature/reality before it is too late? Defining is the reflection of man-made darkness spreading to blanket all of reality.

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Jaba Art

Words are just here to create lies and define who/what we are NOT

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Arthur Cristian

Yep

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Fizz Gig

Distraction from creating paradise. Spells

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Sunai Aicrag

Dead/deaf- phonician

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Paul Smith

You do realise that every word above is designed to manipulate you ,it's called "circle talk". You begin at one point and end up at the same point having gone round in a circle ! You good people believe in what ever you desire but don't fall into the circle you will spend the whole time going round and round.i should point out that everything I have wrote is designed to make you go round and round

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Arthur Cristian

We define the e-go into a make-believe existence and it continues to grow in power and influence because we gave it a "name", hence "circle talk". We also use definitions to kidnap the lives/intentions of others so we can impersonate them through the definitions we attach (project) to them, hence committing fraud and slander.

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Paul Smith

Thank you for taking it the way intended,if u can't make fun of yourself. I make fun of myself all the time never seriously

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Stathi Spanos

What did you know before you were educated? Do not use your education to answer.

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Jaba Art

Education Means training of animals! KNOWING does only come from direct experience no need for any instruction/education to KNOW THE TREE! Just need to experience the TREE!

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Stathi Spanos

Every word spoken we are trained to use, look without the word.

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Jaba Art

Every attachment to the LIE is a trauma! Any attachment to the LIE of WORDS??? Stathi Spanos?

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Stathi Spanos

Trauma is a word, lie is a word, the word is a tool, the one using the tool knows the word attachment.

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Jaba Art

The word is the code/rule/regulation for the system! The word (tool) is the tool to indoctrinate the system into the mind! The attachment to the word i the trauma!

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Jaba Art

Is all in the intent! No word for intent needed!

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Arthur Cristian

Agreed with all of this Jaba and Stathi. Fiona & Arthur

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Stathi Spanos

Well said Arthur Cristian.

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Douglas Joseph

defining anything involves "WORDS" and therein lies the deception. people are VERY ignorant. the illusion surrounds us...LITERALLY. cut thru all that crap and "see" what YOU are doing to your self. STOP partaking in your own self inflicted pain and suffering you idiots. WTFU and open your "EYE".

Everything in Commerce is Fiction: http://www.scribd.com/doc/271354344/Everything-in-Commerce-is-Fiction-6-...

in other words, UNFUCK YOUR SELF

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Arthur Cristian

LOLLLLLLL Unfuck Your Self (E-go) - Break all ties to the e-go.

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Dyslexic Postman

A tree written down looks nothing like the tree that is alive before us. The symbols of our alphabet are a dismissal of our direct observation. Quiet the mind and put our bare feet on the ground. Take time and tune in. Begin to see energy directly.

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Arthur Cristian

Kristia May wrote...... sumtimez wot iz described az defining can also actually b unravelling 2 sum tho uh ?

We replied..........

If we rely only on thought that is definition (3rd party explained, instructed, educated, suggested images/thoughts) then we are lost to the e-go and therefore trapped inside defined boxes that separate reality (who we really are) from reality (what we are really part of).

Through senses (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see), we are having a direct sensory experience (first party to first party) with reality (sensory life-forms) and through the stimulating sensations of direct sensory experiences (no 3rd parties getting in our heads to explain/instruct/suggest/educate us about what we are observing/sensing) we are creating and being the eternal living dream of reality that is our living soul expanding as the present-sense reality of who we really are. We are the trees, the mountains, the birds, the insects and the rivers. There is no defined separation.

This natural, pure, sincere occurrence in and of the eternal present sense is very very very different to defining the e-go out of 3rd party thoughts and expanding that under the "name" of the e-go that becomes the fraudulent fiction of a fake book of life all rooted in fraud and slander, that being illusions/fantasies claimed to be true/real through belief in the constructs/concepts (definitions) of explained/instructed/educated/suggested thoughts/ideas/images/etc.

Through the "name", we have been trained to form a fictitious bubble that is the e-go circumscribed by the "name". As we use this bubble to define everything around us, the e-go becomes ever more powerful, expanding with our life force energy as we give it power through the definitions that we believe in and have accepted as "truth", "reality".

But as the e-go is fake, it becomes all about the unnatural destructive e-motions that form the unnatural (alien) e-go, my anger, my envy, my frustration, my fear, my money, my land, my assets, savings, credit cards, bank accounts, drivers license, medicare, passport, my "I-D" (eye definition defined by 3rd party images, thoughts, explanations, suggestions, instructions, education, etc).

These 3rd party definitions we re-present have nothing to do with who we really are and have no natural place in present-sense-reality. The definitions are coming from the e-go which is all about how "I" feel, THE ALL SEEING EYE ("i") = e-go (i, i, i, mine, mine, mine, own, own, own........).

We really become lost to present-sense-reality through the unnatural e-gos we claim as our ID because we are lost in the fantasy (alien) world of e-motions, apathy, repression, depression, jealousy, greed, selfishness, fear, rage, loneliness, emptiness, directionlessness, apathy, denial, distrust, uncertainty, doubt, etc.

These are all unnatural symptoms of trauma. And we blame others for these unnatural e-motions as they come up in reaction (friction/conflict) to how others behave around us and how we unnaturally behave with nature/earth/reality. Instead of sensing those around us, we are performing and projecting the e-go definitions over and over again that come out as the e-go's anger, greed, jealousy, etc. We are superimposing definitions over others, over nature/earth and over who we really are (reality).

When we are lost to the e-go we are under a "psycho state" of friction and no longer being peaceful, content and happy. We are unnaturally lost in turmoil, forever blaming someone or something for how we are, for the state of our e-go. This is chaos. We are in denial and apathy, unable to recognise how possessed we are by the e-go, wondering why we are not free, calm and peaceful in and of present-sense-consciousness.

The e-go is not ours because the pull of e-motion is coming from elsewhere, from the image makers of definition which is why everyone in "The System" is insane, lost. The image makers have defined the e-motion for us to unnatural perform which is why we feel alien to all the 3rd party definitions. We are being unconsciously/sub-consciously pulled by an alien world as those aliens lost to this alien world, "The System". Through e-go, we live, worship and serve ONLY "The System". We are in and of Caesar's world (so to speak).

This is no different to Voodoo and Black Magic rituals where they draw a shape, such as a pentagram, on the floor and then do their ritual inside the shape, or around the shape and directing their life force energy (their intent, their dreaming) into the shape, to give power to that defined image and make it rise up in and of the dead.

In animation and in movies, light is shined through the images to have them show up on the screen. That light is the equivalent of the life force energy that we direct into the images of definition, in this case the images that form the fake version of reality that "The System' is constructed out of. We are the animators lost in the animation of the fantasy world that was crafted for us by black magic magicians who conjure up the images of definition for us to focus on. Thus, by default because we have accepted the magicians' definitions, we become their puppets on the strings of our master puppeteers, lost to the Voodoo and black magic definitions working on us as us (e-go) because we project that, believing that is who we really are. The e-go is theirs but we claim it and this is how we fall into a fallen state and give them authority over us. They are the authors of the rites (spells, incantations, rituals, etc) that we are performing under their direction. It is all an illusion. "The System" is an illusion, the e-go is illusion.

We are taught a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 so that we learn to spell to be put under the spells of definition so that we can perform the defined rites of black magic rituals. The whole of "The System" education is this, this includes all esoterics, occults, religions, system science/alchemy, philosophies, politics, law, etc). For more on the blood libel/blood letting trauma based rituals of definition behind all these spells (of spelling), refer to Darkness Visible Part 5 http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8562 and start at the top of the home page of the Love For Life website and scroll down, reading and watching everything (don't worry about the menu on the left hand side) http://loveforlife.com.au.

The "name" of e-go is the exclusive storage shed for all the definitions coming under the "name". It is the e-go that hoods us and we project/superimpose/covet hoods over all of reality/Nature/Earth/MAN while we carry e-go around for the whole of our fake lives = the book of life (the book being the definitions stored as the book of e-go). We are being destroyed by definitions coming from others that define our so-called reality. Spending our lives claiming definitions is a terrible place to be. There, we can only commit spiritual suicide to who we really are. We completely destroy our unique, original and natural place (soul) as part of eternal-present-sense-consciousness (here and now).

Who we really are is eternally calm and peaceful in present sense and has nothing to do with the destructive e-motions of e-go. The "name" on the birth certificate, the strawman is the e-go. Since 2005, we have been pointing out that the "name" is the mark of the beast. The mark is the e-go, the definition, as in the pentagram, and the beast is the storage shed of all the definitions housed under the defined collectives that we call government, church, banking, commerce, insurance and all the institutions of "The System" and the New World Order. It is the e-go that is bound to "The System" (the defined beast). MAN is not bound to "The System" but the "name" is and through e-go we have become subservient to the "name" and therefore under the defined image power of the beast. .

When we are summoned to go to court, we go under the "name " of the e-go to perform the rites of the definitions in their courts (caught). We are now caught under the beast. But the fact is, "The System" is a "name" containing all the "names" of definition that makes up "The System", the book of fake life/lives/reality. For example, the supermarket is a "name" containing rows and rows of "names", the road maps are full of names within names within names. Cities, suburbs, streets, numbers, etc. Libraries are names containing many names. A, b, c, 1, 2, 3 are "names" containing many, many "names". "The System" is an explained, defined, fake reality that is the matrix, all of it an illusion. "The System" is a definition containing numerous definitions, all under the "name".

The "name" is third party explanation, education, instruction, suggestion we have been subjected to, forming the definitions that we outline through our imagining, which we fall into to perform the rites. Out of the dead, this is what rises up government, the Supreme Court, plastic and pavements, institutions, Hollywood, fake lifestyles, suburbs and cities, fake science, etc. All of it dead. We raise the dead amongst the living who all act dead (e-go).

Everything in and under your "name" contracts you to the definitions, be it the bills, the obligations, religions, courses and careers, etc. And we are all willingly doing it. The authorised re-presentatives of the rites cannot force us with a gun at our heads but they manipulate us into it so that we comply and acquiesce through fear and doubt and uncertainty about who we really are because we are lost in definitions.

The Freemasons/Satanists know this and they manipulate us in every way possible to keep it this way. They need us always lost to the definitions that they control so that they keep us performing their rites for their benefit. They want us to not only raise the dead world but to keep it risen so that it keeps going. They need us to constantly direct our life force energy into it through the e-go. When we give up the e-go, we don't give them any more power so that they have nothing, no power.

None of it exists but we are all trapped in it because we believe in the definitions, remembering them and entering into them to perform the rites. This is what we are doing when we talk in any alphabet language. All of them are black magic. Through Satanic alphabet languages, we "remember" that these definitions is who we really are, as in e-go, and what we are really part of, as in "The System". Through the intellect which Freemasons/Satanists serve/worship as their God of Power over all slaves, we continue to conjure these defined-images up from the dead so that we perpetuate being in and of the dead. What we have described here is what serving, worshipping, claiming and believing in the e-go does to its victims.

In their courts, under the "name " of the e-go that you claim to re-present, you are performing their rites so you are giving all your life force energy into their rites, where they want it. This is slave labour. They are manipulating you into directing your life force energy into the definitions that they administer as the authorities overseeing the rites that you are performing.

This is all black magic in practice with the intent for Freemasons/Satanists not to process the curse of these rites. All lies are curses and Freemasons/Satanists do everything possible to deflect curses coming back upon them, their loves ones/family/children/friends, their beneficiaries, societies/orders/lodges/etc, associates, etc, etc. They cleverly con us into claiming the egoistic rites on offer so that we commit fraud as the original sinners processing the curses for them. Cleverly set up, they become the administrators, shepherds looking over all their sinners, their sheep.

This is how the Freemasons "Good Guys" New World Order is currently being formed. They are putting the feel-good, feel-right, feel-God (Oneness consciousness) definitions of the NWO into our heads so that we willingly create it. Watch out for David Icke, Mark Passio, Michael Tellinger, Santos Bonacci, Kate of Gaia, Jordan Maxwell, Sacha Stone, Russell Brand, George Green, Max Igan, Alex Jones and the cast of thousands of Freemasons who sold out to this scam to manipulate everyone into the definitions of the NWO off the back of the destruction caused by the Freemason's "Bad Guys" who all come from the same lodges fraternities, societies, orders, etc, as the "Good Guys". The current destruction, chaos, annihilation, harm, injustice, etc, is not the NWO coming into play. It is the remedy, the order to this organised chaos that is the NWO.

"The System" is just definitions. Pulling out of "The System" starts with completely giving up the e-go which means that we have to give up practising the craft of black magic rites. We have to stop acting as impersonators of who we claim we are. For remedy, refer to the home page of the Love For Life website http://loveforlife.com.au

Who we really are has no past or future as we live as eternal present sense consciousness but, lost to the e-go, we unconsciously re-perform, re-present definitions that we accepted in the past and we project them into the future by performing the rites of these definitions here and now so that we give up our eternal present sense consciousness here and now too.

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Douglas Joseph

a man cannot be summoned. only registered entities may legally maintain an action in court. checkmate.

all that hocus pocus BS you write means absolutely NOTHING! You speak like a man with forked tongue Arthur Cristian. It's cool though, I have no need or desire to persuade anyone. I simply like to expose all the shillyness.

Blaming anyone else for our own fuckups is foolish you see. The enemy is US. The mind control is reversed when you know what I now have total knowledge of. It IS what everyone has been looking for...and explains why and HOW it all works. It is an illusion, but nothing like the picture/illusion you paint.

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Arthur Cristian

We agree with this "a man cannot be summoned. only registered entities may legally maintain an action in court.". To us, the "name" is the registered entity and is e-go too. Back in 2006 Arthur completely dropped the performing of "name" in "The System" of commerce. We also agree with "Blaming anyone else for our own fuckups is foolish ". and "everything in commerce is fiction". We've been pointing out these facts consistently since March 3005 - refer to the Love For Life website for more on all this. We wish you all the best in helping others see "The System" of illusion for what it really is. Good on you.

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Douglas Joseph

that is precisely why we MUST file that ANC...it is official government issued evidence that the legal name entity created by the state is NOT YOU!

I am now proving that we CAN hold the :person's liable" using that legal business entity to file a lawsuit in court AS the plaintiff. My business wins by default. Do you understand why?

This makes these people "accountable" for the actions that cause damage and/or loss to my business. I own NOTHING. All houses boats, cars, etc. are owned by my business, NOT by me. This concept is crucial to understand because a man can't OWN anything.

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Arthur Cristian

So you don't have a "name" to pay taxes, interest, fees, etc with or have bills, rent, leases, contracts with private corporations under "name" or obligations with "my" business entities under "name" as in drivers license, car registration, passport, medicare, bank account, credit card, tax file number, ABN, deeds, titles, foundations, trusteeship, etc, etc.

To us, ONLY slaves "file/perform" anything in and of "The System" (wonderland) - only slaves are answerable to slave masters - the incontrovertible evidence is in the rent/use of "name" (Alice) in "The System" of Wonderland. that is "intellectual property" COPYRIGHTED (right/rites of copy).

Show us how you are NOT using/renting/leasing copyrighted "intellectual Property" not administrated by authorised re-presentatives of practising Freemasonry/Satanism/Occultism?

You are admitting to being reliant on a slave system to receive benefits, privileges from such slave labour and that you endorse the kidnapping and brainwashing of innocent children to be turned into the educated cogs (blue collars/white collars/labourers/administrators/re-presentatives) from whom you derive all such benefits, services, etc.

What is the living remedy you have on offer that gets all of MAN out of "The System" of slavery in this life, never to return?

How can a fiction (person/entity) be held liable when it does not exist, is ONLY make-believe?

We can blast numerous bullet holes through your glass-house claims.

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Douglas Joseph

There is "genius in ALL of us. Every genius thinks INWARDLY toward his Mind instead of outwardly toward his senses. The genius can hear sounds coming out of the silence with his inner ears. He can vision non-existent forms with his inner eyes and he can feel the rhythms of God's thinking and His knowing -- which are a blank slate to the man who believes that HE is his body. When a human rises to the exalted state of genius, he becomes a co-Creator with God. The beginning of creative expression in man is the first evidence of the unfolding Light of his genius, for no man who is purely sense-controlled can create. He can remember and repeat the records which he has imprinted upon his physical brain, but his brain has no knowledge. Therefore, he cannot create. Man can create only with his Mind -- and the brain is not the Mind. The brain is merely the seat of sensation and the electric recorder of sensation.

- Walter Russell (1935)

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Arthur Cristian

We do not agree with this Walter Russell comment. It contains deceptive, misleading lies that will do immense harm to believers. Starting from the top and slowly scrolling down the gut of the home page of the Love For Life website reading and watching everything (ignore the left hand side menu) covers all this ground in great detail.

The "mind" is in 3rd party.
The "GOD" is in 3rd party.
The "inner eyes" is in 3rd party.
The "his" of God is in 3rd party.
The "human" is in 3rd party.
The "co-creator with God" is in 3rd party.
"The beginning" is in 3rd party.
The "unfolding light of his genius" is in 3rd party.
The "inner ear" is in 3rd party.
The "inner" and "outer" are in 3rd party too.

All is derived from the "illuminated" a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 soup bowl (so to speak / analogy) of "The System". These "illuminated" comments are the abominations derived only from the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 brainwashing (3rd party education, instruction, explanation, suggestion) "soup bowl" that is "The System".

Thoughts require senses to sense thoughts. Without senses, sensory life-forms are unable to sense thoughts which really are dreams.

Bring forward a "thought" in first party without a sensory life-form to re-present it in 3rd party?

With innocent children, which came first, the brainwashing education/instructions/explanations,and suggestions of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, etc, or "mind"/"GOD"/"human"/"his"/"inner eyes"/"the Beginning"?

Where can millions of innocent children not exposed to "The System," with its a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, etc, or exposed to anyone who was exposed to "The System" go anywhere in nature/earth/reality to learn about a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 or any meanings/constructs/concepts derived from a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 (as in Walter Russell's comment you posted in this thread) without another 3rd party brainwashed (got at) man/woman having to explain it all to them, particularly when using a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, etc?

Bring forward "mind" in 1st party without a 3rd party man/woman coming forward acting as an impostor of "mind".

Bring forward "GOD" (or whatever other derivative used to describe a God) in first party without another man/woman coming forward acting as an authorised representative of a "GOD" in 3rd party.

Let's have a first party to first party direct sensory (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) experience with "GOD", "inner eyes". "his", "mind", "thought", Human", "the Beginning", "inner ears", Inner", "outer", etc, etc, without a 3rd party man/woman coming forward acting as an impostor or commentator of these definitions?

Bring forward "thought"/"mind"/"GOD"/"human"/"his"/"inner eyes"/"the Beginning"/etc, without a description/image required to define their claimed existence?

In 1st party, bring forward a defined description of any image (these include "thought"/"mind"/"GOD"/"human"/"his"/"inner eyes"/"the Beginning") without a living first party flesh and blood man/woman/child coming forward to perform these definitions in 3rd party, be they commentators or actors, etc? .

Bring forward a dream/thought without requiring a sensory-life-form to define them?

Lets visit these claimed "existences/entities - what is their physical address so we can sit around a tree having a bite to eat and a drink while having many a laugh with them?

What do these claimed "entities" do for nature that aids nature in rolling along here and now?

Would we all suffer and die if they did not exist?

Would reality perish into oblivion?

Please don't tell us they exist ONLY in invisible intellectualised realms (beyond the senses - the mind ---- myyyyyyne - mine, mine, mine, mind = LOLLLLL) which ONLY the privileged initiated (exclusivity) can enter into or see (all seeing eye/"i") as in and of the "intellect".

Imagination alone is not sufficient because then we ONLY have fantasies and illusions on offer making believers delusional (under mesmerising image power spells).

We are addressing fiction/fictions (LIES) here - can you actually offer anything that isn't?

Without a permanent, non depleting "GOD" coming forward in 1st party so that its presence is always present to the living, all we really have here are liars/deceivers acting in 3rd party as the anecdotal, hearsay "GOD"/pope/lord/land-lord/baron/king/queen/Pharaoh/Caesar/dictator/emperor/president/expert/etc and therefore by default, are claiming a higher standing (AUTHORITY = author rites as in Pope. lord, land-lord, baron, king, queen, prince, Duke, Pharaoh, Caesar/, dictator, emperor, president, expert/ leader as in cult leader, professional, etc, etc, or Divinely Inspired whatever defined entity is claimed to exist)) over other men and women who believe in (claiming) such lies/claims (prisons).

What you, a storyteller, are really painting here is a fairytale for the duped to enter into and be slaves under the actors who perform the higher standing roles in this wonderland. .

LOLLLLLLLLL

You are currently full of shit Douglas the liar - FUCK OFF . :) (Y)

Douglass (whoever the fuck you really are or whatever demonic entity is currently possessing you), all you offer is bamboozling, mesmerising, 3rd party storytelling definitions (illuminations) and discourse to deceive others with, when in fact all you offer is nothing real/sincere (of living 1st party substance) at all bar Freemasonic/Satanic/occultic brainwashing applications (illumination in practise) to make prisoners out of these lies/images. Its clear where the forked tongue resides. Gnosticism (occultism) is a massive lie, full of liars (illuminists)) peddling DECEPTIVE BULLSHIT.

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Arthur Cristian

"Circle Talk" is the man-made world (whirl) of definitions spiralling around and around and around forming a vortex of hell spiralling out of control as it gains more speed from duped-fallen MAN who keeps directing their life-force-energy into it as they stir it faster and faster. The definitions of e-go are demons of black-magic possessing everyone involved in the stirring of the vortex of a make-believe existence. All caught up in "The System" time-coded spiral are dying faster and faster - they are determined to give up creating and expanding their unique original souls in this life. Once one hits the finite bottom of this lie, to fully be the finite lie, there is NO RETURN. Conscious or not, it's a free-will choice. We all are in and of eternal consciousness got at by the "The System" (finite imaginings) to be left with ONLY shot at really remembering who we really are before it is too late.

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Arthur Cristian

Walter Russell's light is "illuminated". - is always in 3rd party.

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Arthur Cristian

Illumination is defining a definition raised up from the dead (imagined out of thin air - out of what does not exist = fantasy, illusion, delusion), directing our/MAN'S life-force-energy (LIGHT/LIFE) into the definition so it can be given a make-believe existence/image/language out of which comes a physical/material form constructed from immense harm and destruction to what already naturally exists (nature/earth/MAN).

The illuminated definition (false idol) continues to be worshipped by believers who join in the frenzy of indoctrinating, brainwashing, educating, instructing, explaining, suggesting innocent others to also illuminate (worship) these dead-corpse con-structs/con-cepts.

MAN and MANS dream of life is supposed to be unique and original, not one the same as the next but we have Freemasons mesmerising us with sameness images of illumination that we stupidly conform to so that our uniqueness and originality is lost/forsaken/rejected/ignored/given-up.

Wherever we look in "The System", this illuminated sameness is ONLY what we find; hypnotised men and women giving their life force energy to false idols, as in religions, movements, beliefs, lifestyles, alphabets, occults, esoterics, politics, law, etc.

Even those deceiving us are deceived as they are also worshipping false idols to become the drones of their beliefs.

It starts with the fallen (Freemasons/Occutists/Gnostics/Pagans/Satanists/etc) for innocent others to fall BUT all are deceived.

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Douglas Joseph

I am not IN the system, that gamepiece does all of that for me. A man cannot be in that illusionary/fictional realm/world you speak of you see. Only "entities" may do this.

When you fail to recognize you are making YOUR SELF an entity, YOU will continue to deceive your SELF. People are doing it to THEMSELVES! That is THE most important part of understanding why I wrote this paper:

Everything in Commerce is Fiction: http://www.scribd.com/doc/271354344/Everything-in-Commerce-is-Fiction-6-...

Jaba Art

Words on paper are no facts and have no value what so ever! but pure believe in the satanic system!

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Douglas Joseph

amazing how NO ONE gets this! that seems paranormal to me.

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Arthur Cristian

Falling into the looking glass of illumination IS the Stockholm Syndrome of a Placebo Effect - all have fallen deeply in love with their reflections/illuminations (THE ENTITY) projected in their image. We both create and experience the fall through the entity. We create the vessel that is the entity/demon/strawman/e-go.and set sail on the seas of illumination.

Through the entity/self-ego/demon, we can't dip our toes into the seas (storytelling) of illumination as in commerce/"The System"/etc without also dragging our real lives into the fantasy world too. This is why Arthur is still in "The System" but is NOT of "The System". The "make-believe-time" we spend dipping our toes into the seas of illumination is the "time" we spend being immersed in doing harm to what already (/really) exists starting with who we really are. Currently, almost all of MAN is in denial of this fact. Apathy reigns supreme.

Intellectualising a way around this demonic "phenomena" continues the make-believe existence of an entity sailing on the illuminated seas of fantasy and illusion - the e-go has still got us by the balls We continue to be trapped. The MAN is still partaking in dong harm. The intellect is of the e-go, the illumination - many who think they are waking up are actually still trapped in the projections of their illumination.

Even as the child projects the reel of film into the cinema of life, the child remains trapped in the storytelling fantasy (Placebo Effect) - the film (Stockholm Syndrome) - even though the child did not create the illuminated reel of film.

For most, they are in the film of illumination believing who they really are is in the film too, yet not realising that ONLY the e-go/demon/self they re-present was there during all the "time" of their ACT. Who they really are is NOT to be found. - They had already given up their soul (creating their unique original dream of life).

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Faith Irene Luecke

Wow! Powerful medicine here good heart message and food for soul and will be marinating on this...thank you

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Arthur Cristian

While we (Arthur and Fiona) are still in "The System", still partaking of the illumination by using the read and write alphabet languages and the constructs and concepts, as well as some of the benefits and privileges of "The System", we are not in denial of the fact that this is what we are doing and that we are still supporting immense harm while we are doing so.

In 2005/2006, when we woke up to what was going on, we had a choice to either take our children out into the wilderness and raise them solely in nature, learning how to live without anything of "The System", or to stay in "The System" and do what we could to wake others up so that together, we can bring it down from inside and get rid of it forevermore.

Obviously this is the choice we made and we did so because we knew that us going out into the wilderness wasn't going to stop "The System" and its continual spread of harm. We also knew that, wherever we went, "The System" lackeys would eventually catch up with us and we would be murdered along with everyone else.

We are still doing everything we can today to wake up others both by using the internet and by creating a living example of Kindom, a way of life without "The System".

Since we started the Love For Life website in December 2006, we have been inundated by tens of thousands who have either suffered at the hands of "The System" authorities or who are self-centred gold diggers, looking for a way to get their hands on financial freedom. Along with them are those who want to stick it up the arses of the authorities. They are all looking for remedy in "The System", as we originally were back in 2005. What we came to see, and what we always tell those who write to us, is that no matter the avenue taken in seeking a cure, there is NO REMEDY to be found in "The System".

To maintain power and control, the Freemasons who control "The System" must control all outcomes in "The System". Any precedence of a cure that is allowed to occur outside of their control, as in promissory notes, UCC, bonds/Cestui que trusts, commercial redemption, etc, would cause word-of-mouth to spread so fast that the whole of "The System" would collapse, literally overnight.

For example, if everyone was able to cash in on their bonds/Cestui que trusts, all money, assets, commodities, etc, throughout "The System" would instantly be worthless. If everyone had a billion dollars, everything in and of "The System" would be worthless and all power would also be instantly removed from all titles, deeds, offices, standings of authority, etc.

Unless it suits them there will be no precedence forthcoming. Lots of red herrings are out there designed by Freemasons and their intel operatives to raise hope for the duped slaves who continue digging deep down into numerous rabbit warrens in hope of discovering the golden egg/silver-bullet but they will never discover a remedy because none exist. The whole of "The System" is an illusion.

There is no remedy to be found in fiction to cure the ills of MANS befallen "state". It is a slave system that we are all in and our slave masters have no intention of allowing the establishment of a precedence for all slaves to follow. Whatever is allowed to crumble is by design and under their control and the outcomes are in their hands because they control all the leading players on all sides. The only remedy is a mass exodus out of "The System" in this life, never to return. This remedy is a quiet, peaceful, calm, non-revolution.

As children, we are all hijacked to become the cogs in the wheels of "The System" progress of civilisation of our enjoindered enslavement (blue collars, white collars, labourers, etc). All the benefits, services and privileges of "The System" come only from the labour of slaves serving "The System" of their co-creating enslavement. To want any remedy, benefit, service or privilege from "The System" is to want to perpetuate "The System" of slavery and destruction to the living until none remain. To write to anyone of authority in "The System" is to already admit your slave status because only slaves do this. A MAN is not answerable to another MAN, unless harm has been caused.

We become slaves when we learn the definitions of the constructs and concepts of "The System" through the education of "The System". While we rely on the definitions of "The System", we raise up the illumination of "The System" by default. All our life force energy is directed into "The System" of our ongoing mutual enslavement.

The illumination is "The System" of men, women and children continually propping up the dead definition of "The System" and, as a model, it has many sameness models within it, all system choices of illumination that we give our life force energy to, thus illuminating the definitions. No matter what changes the winds may bring, slavery continues under many guises.

In our slave state, we are conned into directing the light of our own projections into the definitions that are the illuminations we fall in love with, deceiving who we really are into believing that we are that light and that the images we are projecting our light into are who we really are.

We are creators and we suffer because we have created that suffering through the images that we have given our light to. We are pulled into the lies that are all the destructive e-motions out there and we think that they are ours - my anger, my depression, my jealousy, my ownership, etc. But they are just the reflection of illuminations, the reel of film that we have accepted as part of the dreaming of our lives.

There is nothing else out there creating the pull. We are just experiencing what we are creating, which is why we feel the pull. It is the experience of falling into the illumination of whatever definition that we have fallen in love with. We are Alice Through The Looking Glass, falling into Wonderland. Alice is the entity, the e-go, the demon that possesses who we really are.

The Looking Glass is who we really are projecting our Alice-demon into the definitions where we perform Alice in Wonderland. Our attraction to Alice is what drags who we really are into performing in "The System" of many Wonderlands that are the narrations, the dance, of "The System" that we project.

The Looking Glass is the mirror, the reflection that is the pull of whatever we are dreaming for (experiencing) here and now. This pull is the placebo effect that keeps us all trapped, living out the Stockholm Syndrome because we are in love with our reflections (creations). The definitions got to us and we were too dumbed down to realise what was happening to us. No matter where we were, we were always sailing on the sea of definition. We remain fallen (in love) with illumination.

When we experience mass healings, or the Virgin Mary's tears, or whatever miracles we see in our religions and belief systems, we are creating these miracles with our life force energy projected into our belief that these miracles can occur. The statues cannot do anything and there is no external power healing; we are creators and we are creating according to our beliefs. The definitions that we put our life force energy into are passed down through the generations as we lovingly bring up our children in the images of whatever definition we have fallen for.

We, the living, are always present with the presence of life (LIGHT) in present sense but the definitions are not. The light of the living of all those who believed in and worshipped Jesus, and the power of Jesus to heal is still amongst us, the living, here and now in present sense. It is the collective life force energy of MAN directed into the voodoo definition circumscribed as Christianity, or whatever belief system we conjure up or latch onto.

When we are projecting the definitions, we have accepted the will of another man's intent and we use our will to create that man's dream of life through us and for us. This Satanic practise of illumination starts extremely early in life as we are trained by default, through the definitions we are conned into performing, to release the will of creating our unique original soul and to allow the will of others to create their fake dream of our life through us, as us, using our will.

Giving up our will is unconsciousness. We are no longer conscious of how we are using our will and the effect it is having on us and others. Performing the third party definitions stops us creating our unique, original dream of life here and now in present senses and expanding that. Therefore, we are not expanding a unique, original soul, instead we are expanding the will of another man's dream. This is how the unique, original soul fades away to oblivion. We do this through the unconscious misuse of our will.

Full responsibility is acting according to our free will without limitation (without unconsciously projecting illumination). This is consciousness because we are fully conscious and aware of what we are doing, what we are thinking and feeling and the effects of our living dreams on us and others.

In "The System" under limited responsibility/liability, we are acting under someone else's will, through many forms of persuasion, obligation, manipulation, temptation, coercion and intimidation. This illumination happens in the law, politics, entertainment, institutions, etc. We are compelled through the programming of unconsciousness we have been conditioned into, to exercise the laws, and the rules and to fear the consequences of not performing to the program. Our conscious will is not there.

We are unconsciously using our will to remain totally under the will of others and we become unable to take conscious action without that outside input. This is how we become system zombies, blind to what has become of us. We comply and acquiesce to the will of others and, in most cases, we have no other option because we are totally asleep to our zombie state.

We become puppets to whatever influences come upon us as we mimic the speech, mannerisms and habits of those we look up to, all the while desperately pretending that we are not just following along. We can be so easily manipulated by whatever our puppet masters wave in our faces that we follow the Yellow Brick Road they set out for us, all the while being conned into believing that we are "forging our own path", "creating our own journey".

We are in total denial that all we are doing is rushing down prescribed pathways, totally oblivious to who we really are and totally numb to any original dreaming that whatever is left of our soul is trying to inspire us with.

Our unconsciousness is why we accept unnatural vaccination with all its trauma and all other forms of trauma in "The System", none of which comes naturally from nature. Instead the unnatural trauma of illumination comes from the unnatural definitions that form the unnatural fear, doubt and uncertainty the we learn to perform as unnatural zombies, leading us to accept the unnatural trauma of "The System" that includes going to war, accepting vaccinations, accepting the authority of others, eating badly, taking drugs, and anything else that does harm to who we really are and to the living dream of life.

We have accepted an unnatural, unconscious (illumination) way of life and this is where we bring up our zombie children, with just a few improvements to our slave conditions along the away.

We see this illumination behaviour in many of those who come and visit us. It is as though the TV is turned on and the re-run of an old episode begins but they act as though what they are saying is unique to them, of importance and with experience and weight behind it. But when pushed to back up the script, there is nothing of living substance (life-experience) there. All we get is a void of nothingness, a parrot chirping illumination on its perch.

What is really going on is the waving flag of a badly damaged esteem, where confidence (consciousness) has been shattered and they are looking to fill the void of unconsciousness that comes from needing the approval of others because they have given up their will to be conscious. The void of unconsciousness comes from having given up their will to create their unique, original soul so they practise using their will to maintain the unconscious void of hopelessness and helplessness, all of which was projected onto them by others.

The will to create the unique, original soul here and now in present sense has long ago departed because they have given up the exercising of their will to create their unique, original dreaming (thoughts) that forms their unique, original lives. All we have is someone mimicking the definition of illumination. This is why their eyes often go blank and they don't know what to do. Who they really are is not here, not present amongst the living. It really is a sickness that almost everyone affected is in denial of. Children raised by nature do not have this issue. It is only children raised by the definitions of unconsciousness that forms "The System" of perpetual zombie states. Unless children learn to consistently exercise their will power through stamina building activities and creative interests with nature that do no harm, they do not exercise the innate will power that creates a soul.

Children raised by the definitions are reflecting the e-go so they bond with the e-go because that is all they know. They are empty of soul. When children are brought up by nature, they are inspired by their direct, sensory experiences so they do not have the illuminating reflections of definitions forming self-centred dreams which the e-go consists of. Instead, the sensations of nature's stimuli inspires them to dream as the horse, the bird, the river and the wind. They are no longer defined in a box, a prison, so their soul naturally expands as far as they dream.

The education of "The System" is gradually dumbing down each generation more and more until the creation of a world of zombies is complete. By comprehending (sensing) the big picture of what we are sharing here, you will come to see/sense how blatant the Freemasons are in their intent to hijack us all and make everyone their lifetime slaves, discarding all those who do not fit the mould. Their HAARP frequencies, implanting devices into us, poisoning us with their food and water, etc, etc, are all part of creating a new type of "conscious" MAN that meets the design of the feel-good, feel-god, Oneness, cosmic, galactic New World Order (NWO) that they live for. Genetic manipulation has been going on for a long, long time and they show no signs of giving up. It is obvious that many are breaking out of these prisons because many are contacting us to tell us what is going on for them.

At the extreme of Satanic ritual abuse and sacrifice, victims are broken down and broken down as they are taken to the edge of death and brought back again, over and over until they willingly give up their will (soul - whatever remains of it) and let the will power of the Satanic priests dominate as the victim releases their soul (will-power) to be captured and directed into whatever alphabet incantation the priest is conjuring up. To have any impact, they have to use the living to form the definitions of unconsciousness. The water of the breath and the blood of the dying victim are captured and that e-motion of unconsciousness and lack of will are embodied into the blood letting and blood libel rituals that form the clearly defined definitions of fiction that they use to control others, remotely or otherwise. This is why we are encouraged to eat traumatised, dead animals and other unnatural, deeply traumatised, dead food and liquid. It keeps us in that dead, unnatural state. For more on this, refer to Darkness Visible Part 5: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8562

As we learn to "spell" English, we are conjuring up the death of the unconscious to become in the image of the deep asleep, dead soul. This is spelling in practise, the power of the hypnotist that puts us into a state of unconsciousness using our free will. All read and write alphabet languages are tools of unconsciousness and everything that comes out of them is to put you in that unconscious state. When we get lost in the definitions of illumination, we are also unconsciously giving up using our free will consciously. Everything of "The System" is a fiction so, no matter which way we turn, we continue being acclimatised to unconsciousness, limited responsibility/liability. Lost to illumination, we are sucking on the nipples of those who tell us how to think and feel and how to act. Who we really are is not there and whatever is called to be brought forth is only the void of e-go.

When we go to the movies and watch a horror film, the impression of that horror can leave an illuminated imprint on us that can control us until we stop letting that definition have any power over us. This is no different to what is described above, except that we are totally unconscious of what is being imprinted upon us. In the public domain, the Freemasons have gone to great trouble to white-ant these sinister methods through movies and other forms of sleep inducing entertainment. We think this Satanic tampering only happens in the movies, or in obvious forms of fiction. But hey, we are all told through definitions that we are conscious and that we have the free will to choose! Little do we realise that we are actually unconscious thanks to the definitions that keep us in a deep, fictionalised state of unconsciousness.

An explained consciousness is just an explanation (illumination) of a definition that we have been taught to parrot, but this is not our consciousness because we are not consciously creating that conscious dream through direct, sensory experience with nature. All we are doing is mimicking the will of another MAN's definition of consciousness as our "claimed" consciousness. But who we really are is not there. Thanks to illumination, we left the vessel long ago. There is no freedom here.

Being a fiction, the narration of the illuminated definition is being passed down through time and space coded constructs/concepts. This is why we have read and write alphabet languages that we use to produce books, libraries, churches, cities, societies, civilisations and recorded his-story/her-story, etc. For this deception to be pulled off, the definition has to be circumscribed into a material, physical form of fiction so that the images of definition do not fade away from our imagining, leading us to forget the pantomime that we are performing. If we forget the illuminated pantomime of definition, we will stop creating it.

When we read our children fictional stories and buy them trinkets from the shops, they are projecting the continued formation of a fictitious self/e-go that they form attachments to by unconscious default, because it is the e-go that is attached to the fictional story or dead-corpse trinket. If we can read them a fictional story and they can understand it, they are already lost to the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 soup bowl of illumination. By default, they are already sailing on the seas of illumination. As babies, they hear the alphabet sounds (incantations) we make (spell) as we speak definitions of spelling (hypnotic suggestions) and see our gestures and body language. Even then, through observation and sensory stimuli, they are learning illumination because we are acting it out for them.

Children are taught to circumscribe definitions to form the illuminated e-go they re-present as the vessel they sail on the seas of illumination. That circumscribed vessel is the "name", reinforced by the child's knowledge of the mother and father's names, their address, their extended family his-story and the goings-on in their surroundings, etc.

Communication through alphabet languages is the way an illuminated vessel is designed to form and set sail on those seas of illumination because it is the read and write alphabet languages swirling full of definitions that form the definitions of a fake life in a fake reality. While the child remembers the "name", the vessel remains intact and seaworthy (see-worthy - see-wordy). It is through the "name" that the child forms the attachment to the stories and trinkets. This is who the child thinks it is and we train our children to default to the e-go, as we were trained also. Most of us are so attached to the e-go that they really have barely any, if any, idea of who they really are, however spiritual they may think they are.

As living MAN, they have no living connection to anything of "The System" because nothing of "The System" is of the living dream of life, of their real lives. Therefore, in order to form attachments to anything of "The System", they have to form their e-go so that they can enter into and perform in "The System" where the fictional stories and trinkets have meaning and value.

We cannot dance in the soup bowl if we do not know the definitions that make up the soup bowl, the matrix.

We are all performing the rituals that were performed by those before us. It is through these time coded rituals that we give up our power (conscious free-will) to the Freemasons who act as administrators of the definitions of unconsciousness that we give our power to. By default, this is how "The System" works, and there are high level Freemasons who know this tactic and use it against everyone, including their own brethren.

This is why the Freemasons have gone to so much trouble to educate us. They have to get at all of us to pull off the scam of the NWO which is just one pantomime of one MAN, the Grand Architect, who they all worship in their illumination act. Presidents, Prime Ministers and all those in positions of authority and persuasive influence who have sold out to this scam have all fallen into the worship of the scam definition and they are all being used by the very few who know how it really works.

We all know that Hollywood is all smoke and mirrors; the rituals and apparitions of the high level occultic Freemasons are no different, however horrific they may appear in their moving picture definitions. There is no after life, no other worlds and dimensions, no rewards after death. They have all been deceived.

None of the rituals and apparitions of the Freemasons and all occultists, gnostics, etc, have any power; the definitions got to them first and they were too dumbed down to realise the power of the illumination that they fell in love with and continue to worship, as witnessed by the current, almost total destruction of the dream of life.

We are all still projecting the e-go into the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 soup bowl, making us all trapped.

We were just not given full disclosure as innocent children of the illumination scam that we are being conned into creating.

For example, when we write to someone in "The System" as an authority, asking for an improvement in our conditions and circumstances, we are already admitting that we see them as having the power to change our lives. These are the clear signs of our slave mentality. When we really woke up, we realised that there was no point in writing to anyone out there about anything because we were the ones fully responsible for our real lives and it is ONLY up to us, here and now, to change our lives forevermore. We are no longer passing the buck - no more back doors.

"The System" is the way it is because, through the projection of illumination, we take limited responsibility for our real lives. We raise the so-called authority figures of "The System" onto pedestals, up above us and accepting our lowly status below them. The definitions of unconsciousness that form "The System" are designed to promote and maintain this status quo, as can be seen in all the religions, governments, law, commerce, etc. Race, culture, creed, class and nationality are all derived from system definitions.

The intent to deceive us is woven into the design of every aspect of "The System", which is why it is so hard for us to unravel the deception. No matter which way we turn, we are met with illumination and the authority figures of "The System" still stand strong, kept in their positions by our belief (projections) in them.

The wonderful sounding New World Order with its emphasis on Earth, eco-living, natural healing, spirituality, etc, is just as interwoven with illumination as the current version of "The System", but most do not spot the deception as they are so lost in the illumination that they are only relieved to find what seems to be a remedy to the current harm, cruelty, destruction and injustice that we can all see clearly.

They are still trapped because they are still lost in the performance of the e-go in "The System", the illumination, which is why they, the living, are still trapped. The entities that they have created to perform are still sailing on the seas of illumination. We have never left the intellectualisation of projected illumination. The zombie narration of definitions continues.

This is why we say that defining what already exists is an illusion. It is in this light of truth that the whole freeman/sovereignty movement, all religions, political movements, philosophies, laws, occults and esoterics, astrology, numerology, quantum physics, New Age, etc, are bullshit because only the entities that we have conceived out of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, that we project, can perform these pantomimes. Who we really are is still sailing on the seas of bullshit - the sea being see, we see only bullshit and believe that it is who we really are and what we are really part of. We remain blind to the fact that it is bullshit. We have fallen in love with the demon-self (illumination) of our projections. We love our light (illumination).

The Freemasons who travelled Earth to find the tribes of uncorrupted MAN co-creating with nature, came as missionaries, scientists, botanists, doctors, surveyors, etc. They were responsible for introducing their crafted definitions of deception to the tribes so that they gave up their consciousness and eventually evolved into the cultures of race, creed, etc. The tribes had to be got at under the "name" and educated into these definitions before they could live them and spread amongst their children and the generations to follow. The Freemasons then sent in their already defined armies to decimate the tribes and break their links to nature and their will which broke down the uniqueness and originality of their dreaming.

From that opened up the rising up of the dead definitions of race, culture and creed everywhere as land became countries, nations, states, territories, principalities, civilisations, cities, numbers, streets and suburbs, all labelled under the "name" and containing everything that we find in "The System". While this was happening, MAN was also being labelled and pigeon-holed into courses and careers to form titles and standings under "name".

When the Freemasonic ships first appeared on the horizons of "new lands", their ships, their clothing, their sounds, their materials, etc, appeared alien and foreign to the innocent MAN on the land. Their alphabet languages sounded like Martian talk, gobbledygook, going right over their heads. MAN on the land were unable to understand the constructs and concepts of illumination without being educated into them.

Through invasion and assimilation, the Freemasons shaped what we now know as the Arab world, forming their culture and the movements of the tribes, the conflicts, definitions set against definitions, e-gos acting out with other e-gos, all gradually leading up to the situation we are in now where the Arab world will be a major player in their end times, possibly both as good guys and bad guys, designed to usher in the NWO.

An example of how this works was seen in Cambodia where the Freemasonic, CIA funded "Bad Guys" Pol Pot regime was used to decimate the tribes living in the forests and village people, paving the way for the "Good Guys", also funded by the Freemasons, to come in and rescue what remained of the tribes and set up schools of illumination and system infrastructure so that all the children would eventually forget their heritage with nature and join with everyone else in the illuminated Western World being raised up by definitions. This is how they create order out of chaos and how they conquered and assimilated Cambodians.
Definitions merging with definitions merging with definitions are what is creating the NWO, the merging of tribes of MAN with tribes of MAN to introduce multiculturalism and politically correct "sameness" models of "conscious" MAN everywhere, bringing them all together to form the one world definition of consciousness that is the NWO One World definition where everyone merges under oneness where all uniqueness and originality is banned. This would be impossible to do with tribes that had not been exposed to definitions, hence the Freemasonic centuries across their recorded ages spent on introducing illumination all across Earth. Without illumination, they wouldn't be able to move the building blocks of the definitions of the NWO into place.

It is obvious that the soup bowl definitions came first because, without the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 definitions, we cannot even begin to play the e-go game of self. Everything in "The System" happens by intent through design. The definition is the intellect, the illumination. It is the greatest tool of the Freemasons. The intellect is their god, symbolised as Lucifer. The sea of illumination is the intellect. Unless a child is exposed to the intellect by their parents performing the definitions of the intellect, the child cannot begin to form an e-go. We have allowed demonic definitions to take over our real lives so completely that we do not know how else to be. All we know are third party definitions that make us all blind to our senses. We deeply love what we see through the looking glass. In "The System", we are the embodiment of the ALL SEE IN G (i). All seeing (G) God, the dream of the Grand Architect. We see his definitions and are creating (dreaming) lives in his image. LOLLLLLLLL

Through e-go, we are sailing on the sea (illumination) of his dream. The Book of Life that Freemasons, Gnostics, Satanists worship, is the illuminated dream of the Grand Architect.

The Cristian Family November 2006

Misguided Space Cadet In Practise

From this Facebook thread: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10208493466322253

Jodie Santos shared this thread on her FB wall: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10208447517853570

"Defining what already exists is an illusion. It's in the meanings of these alphabet words that MAN became and continues to be lost to reality. Who we really are does not require definition for us to exist and be whoever we really are. Definition separates and boxes reality from reality. "The System" is the program of definition set into motion by believers. Defining who we are (how we feel, think, act and what we own) limits and inevitably completely destroys reality (LIFE/EARTH/NATURE/MAN). We only define an illusion to be in the image of that illusion (separation from reality). Sadly, many have joined in this dangerous game of definition causing almost the whole of EARTH/MAN to be destroyed before our very eyes. We only suffer because we define reality. Will enough of us wake up and be part of a current mass exodus out of "The System" never to return, back to nature/reality before it is too late? Defining is the reflection of man-made darkness spreading to blanket all of reality."

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Leeza Mironova then commented on Jodie's FB wall saying.....

"Utter nonsense!"

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Arthur Cristian

Belief is NOT proof of fact - back your claims with 1st party evidence.

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Leeza Mironova

Nonsense is that which fails to bring any benefit to the earth and to the all encompassing Universe, it is futile because it lacks any morals, it is void of consciousness. Jody Santos, please consider these words not as an attack but as advice.

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Arthur Cristian

Whose version of morals are you addressing here?

And whose version of "consciousness"?

Are you an expert, of a higher standing, in such matters?

Through a DEFINITION model of your "own" making, are you claiming to re-present every MANS morals and consciousness who ever existed and who is yet to come?

What happened to uniqueness and originality where no soul/MAN is the same as the next?

We are talking about the sacredness of MANS unique and original dreams of life currently being desecrated/denied/rejected/shut-down/etc.

What we described clearly in this thread is the nuts and bolts of projected illumination/e-go/intellect/definitions addressing the consequences/outcomes of what you have implied here: "Nonsense is that which fails to bring any benefit to the earth and to the all encompassing Universe".

Through a how things apply in an everyday practical sense, these series of posts are clearly pointing out the how, who, what, etc, of the legacy/heritage (so to speak) of MANS consciousness currently being directed into an illuminated/defined fallen (sameness model) "state" and obviously not in "your words".

To us, you are clearly projecting 3rd party definitions (E-GO) to both raise a conflict/argument/controversy where there isn't one with us and to force/manipulate others under your claimed image power.

It is most clear that you have not come into this thread with peace, instead you have come with conflict seeking/projecting chaos. Your intentions clearly stand out.

AND, you are currently showing up as being right off with the pixies.

The fact is, there is nothing of substance on offer with your reply - all we got here is fairy-floss waffle showing you up as a space cadet.

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Arthur Cristian

We are out of here. Goodbye.

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Arthur then posted this comment https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10208480925408738 and posted all of its content in the comments section (it is all of the above contained in this Love For Life webpage:

Illumination IS Definition
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
26th to 29th January 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8577

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Deep Asleep Effect Illumination Has Over Its Victims

Posted much of this Love For Life webpage content into this Facebook Group wall "Sovereignty International"

11th February 2016

Link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/sovereignty.international/permalink/9353...

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Lynette Smith replied saying..............

To long winded to read it all.................

Perhaps Arthur Christian forgot to mention the Khazarian Mafia and their close links into Zionizm and how the True Zionist Vision of Theodore Hertzel was overtaken by others just as Lenin anf Karl Marx were also hijjacked by the Power hungry elites of times past and today within the Corrupted Wall Sreet Financial Industry, Too Big Too Fail Banks and Banksters instruments of debt based Fiat - fiction value Legal Tender Currency Monetary System that long ago abandoned capitalism for fascism , rigged commodity markets globally and monetary terrorism melt down as we speak

The housing bubble will soon burst across all Fiat Lefal Tender Currency jurisdictions both here in New Zealand, Farn land prices are already falling in NZ as we speak Canada,, Ausralia, UK as the uncontrolled digital currency creation by all banks is distorting true capitalism into a "Black Hole Currency Death Spiral.Extinction"..

There is still a little period of time to engage , extend the UK 1844 Curency protections across all Digital Currencies might mitigate the demise of our estates. but most politicians are broken down school teachers and Lawyers who have little if any full and proper financial literacy or comprehension.

Another classic examples of "Ones who Cannot Read or Count Properly or put another way "When "The Blind One Leadis The Blind Why They Both Fall into The Ditch" See < Youtube Keiser Reports .ru > an extensive archive.

Max Keiser is without a doubt the most ccgnant and accurate of all financial wizkids easily available to usll ! Especially today 15th Feb 2015 NZDST Says it all really ! Enjoy the journey to "The Black Hole of Debt Spiral Monetary Extinction" While we still can Start keeping chickens, rabbits, goats and begin your Urban Farms on Roof Tops and any public spaces you can easily access asap!

15th February 2016

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Arthur Cristian

Illumination (projecting 3rd party definitions) will not set anyone free no matter how much one believes in whatever "historical facts" they use as their projection of illumination. They remain completely trapped in the illumination they love so much which they believe forms who they really are and the claimed reality it lives.

15th February 2016

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Willing Zombie

Facebook Thread

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10208616754324376

19th to 20th February 2016

Wade Libbis posted this comment to us.....

Arthur/Fiona.
I am having a recurrence of my Christian leanings coming back. I do know what you say in regards to 2nd 3rd party non sense stories, alice in wonderland type of thing which I see your clarity in this regard perfectly.
But inside myself there is always a tad of fear that in actuality there may be a chance that the "perfect man" may have been cosmically sent here from the Essence of all truth beauty peace and love having the name of life could = dna or reffering to a man/woman family tree "tree of life" etc and that I somehow I might be rejecting him by not believing in him. Could you give me your thoughts of the "possibility" of such a man/entity that in actuallity really did come outside of me being able to ascertain with my 5 sense reality?

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Vincent Biscoe

Wade I grew up in New Jersey in the 70's & 80's going to Catholic School & Church until I was about 13 or 14 - long story short my father in the early 80's began watching Jimmy Swaggart . . soon afterwards our family ended up in King James Bible Baptist Churches of which I was apart of for 20 years (until I left on 6/1/2003 at the age of 33) for ten years of that time (93 to 03) I was a Baptist Preacher (Street Preacher - Jails - Nursing Homes - Churches) . . .

after I left it all behind I went through a very dark time in my life for about a good five or six years where I had to question everything I believed to be true my whole life . . but now on the (no pun intended) OTHER SIDE of all that nonsense I can see clearly now that what I had believed I only did so b/c OTHERS had put it into my mind - just like the programming of a hard drive - was there a time of being fearful . ? - ? yes - but that time is over -

to wrap this up here is how I see things now . .

the stories of god men coming to earth - being born of virgins - performing miracles - being dead for three days & then rising again are simply the story of the SUN personified . . they are born of virgins for: VIRGO the VIRGIN they are called: The Lion of the Tribe of Judah for LEO the LION - they are usually betrayed b/c of: SCORPIO the Betrayer . . they are called: The Lamb of God for: ARIES the Lamb or Ram . . . the literal story is for the masses who do not want the truth . . & to keep them always looking for a savior OUTSIDE of themselves & most importantly to keep them UNDER CONTROL . . .

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Fizz Gig

The concept of a holy/sacred place, holy/sacred animal, holy/sacred tree, or a holy/sacred Man is a lie/curse used to make beLIEvers consider all other places, animals, trees, or Man to not be sacred and that is it therefore "OK" to harm/destroy them, and in kind be harmed/destroyed.

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Steve Bunn

No belief or concept is the Truth.

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Shaun Hamer

"When all phenomena have been discarded,
All that remains is 'what is' - truth - reality."

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Adon Bender

'Faith' (conviction/belief) is a blindfold -- all we see through it is the reflections of the notions we're enthralled & entrenched in... This place is hell & is rooted in fear, doubt & uncertainty...

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Adon Bender

The very concept that a particular doctrine is the 'key'/conduit to the 'creator' is an insidious lie...

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Fizz Gig

As Man/ Living Creator the question is: are you creating paradise from your unique thoughts and dreams inspired by living nature as a free conscious living sole expressing love for life, or are you creating/fulfilling another Man's thoughts and dreams ignoring/suppressing your own as he/she selfishly intended who clearly cares not for your unique thoughts, dreams, or sole?

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Arthur Cristian

The intent of others hell bent on making you their robotic slave is why you have thoughts in your head. All thoughts in your head are not yours and nowhere amongst it all can be found/sensed the living soul you left behind (forsaken/rejected/ignored/written off/etc) so young.

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Arthur Cristian

The thought of you is an illusion and it is ONLY there where the delusional reflector of another MAN'S illumination remains trapped.

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Wade Libbis

Yep I can agree with that. I am the imagination of myself and all the petre dish I was raised in tells me I am. My imagination of myself is programed by others. Sounds about right to me. Thanks Arthur/Fiona :)

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Wade Libbis

How many of you here pray?

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Star Hills

Wade, you mean pray... like that family who was praying right before bombs blew them to smitherenes?... naw.. aye decided praying might not be such a good idea ... or one should wear armor when they do it

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Garry Vettoretto

When you pray Wade you give all your power away. You give up all your power and you avoid the responsibility of living your life. When things aren't working out, that is the exact moment you have created such that you have the opportunity to be responsible and create what you want.

So now you feel like you don't have what you want and you want to pray. Well start the prayer to YOURSELF, by asking the question "What do I want... REALLY want?" And don't move from there until you are clear. Then ask the question, "Well how can I create that?" And don't move from there until again, you are clear.

This process will take hours, days, months, years, a lifetime. When you ask these questions you are awakening YOU, the SPIRIT. And that's not a religious spirit, it's simply a word referring to the part of the man who you really are. If you start living life as a spirit instead of a mind driven zombie then you actually begin accessing the possibility of communicating with the creator because it's the spirit that is the part of us that comes directly from the creator.

And so it makes sense that we are creators, born as a reflection of THE FATHER. Our design and purpose was to create. Where is the creation in a prayer? To pray for the purpose of asking is to become a beggar. That is unbecoming for mankind. Create and the creator can engage because creation requires inspirational thinking which is when the spirit drives the mind (not the other way around!!!).

Great things are created when we drive thinking from questions like, what do I want and who do I want to be? The real answers are you can create anything and you can be whoever you want to be. These are not new agey, fuzzy answers. These are real because it makes sense that the creator would not have bothered to put limits on our abilities or boundaries as to what we could achieve/experience/do through actions.

All the best to you Wade. Truly. May you create exactly what you would like for yourself. And may you be so very conscious when you choose.

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Wade Libbis

I do pray but from the point of the prayer and reciever of the prayer are One... but I was just asking the question how many here pray? Im not in a state of desperation here or fear or wanting anything in particular. Only in truth and seeing the way people answer these questions.I gain greater insight into the subject. So praying-meditating are one and the same to me. I thank you Garry fror these great responses you have given. I view man/woman as an extention of myself I am often curious as to what the rest of me has to say lol. Thanks Garry :)

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Garry Vettoretto

You're welcome. You're in a much better place than I thought. Was worried for you for a sec!!!

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Star Hills

when you pray... it is always something that is not here, ....something in the future... something that is TO be ... ... people dont typically pray about all being right in the moment.. but as long as they are envisioning something being in the future... it will always be in the future... and NEVER reach the now.

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Wade Libbis

So a comically anointed reciever of cosmic intelligence has in all of your opinions simply never existed? like Jesus/Yeshwah etc has never existed in human form?

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Garry Vettoretto

It's difficult to place trust in the system of history when the people who wrote the books or commissioned the books to be written were those who would control us.

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Garry Vettoretto

Religion requires belief which is pure silliness.

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Garry Vettoretto

Men who run religions say "trust me' and we are supposed to follow without question. Horrendous things have been done though religious organisations. How can we trust and why would we trust another man's word over the gift the creator gave us to observe for our own selves. The only way to know the creator is to observe his creations. If you want to know Vincent Van Gogh you can't have first hand experience of him but you can know him by engaging in his creations - his artworks. So to with the creator. Know him by observing his creations. We are his greatest creation and we can learn so much by observing people, in particular, one person and that is the self. The pristine origins of all original information is stored in every man just like the information for an oak tree is placed inside and acorn. The key to unlocking this knowledge is to look, feel deeply into your own being. Then you will know the creator.

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Arthur Cristian

To pray is to admit that you are less than a MAN, less than full-responsibility, meaning you still have doubt and uncertainty crippling who you really are. and therefore you are allowing others (of MAN) to rule you because you are relying on them to tell you how to think, feel, act, who you are, what you are part of, etc, and provide you with volumes of storytelling to keep you busy and lost in these illuminations. To pray is to give up your soul. Why are you continuing to rely on illuminations for your claimed version of reality? Were you there? Do you know anyone else, a 1st party who was a witness and if yes, can you please bring them forward as we would like to chat with them.

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Arthur Cristian

Illumination (performing/re-presenting 3rd party storytelling) is a make-believe dream-world where the projection of a make-believe "i", "name", "self", "e-go", "mine", "own", (belief/faith/associated opinion), etc, is being directed into and it is ONLY there where the storytelling (illumination) of a make-believe past is being projected into a make-believe future forcing/conning/manipulating/seducing the "illuminated" into giving up their soul/consciousness/etc here and now in present-sense.

Illumination is NON-SENSE or NON-PRESENT-SENSE.

"The System" is this make-believe dream-world in practise where, as innocent children, we were tricked into constantly practising this black-magic craft. Sadly most "grown-ups" may never wake up, believing it is who they really are and what they are really part of. They really do not know how else to be.

This dream-world IS HELL.

Under such a hypnotic psycho "state", what we are really doing is directing our life-force-energy into a fantasy where we are willingly using our-freewill unconsciously so that the intent of those who invented the dream-world can use their will power (lives) to control your will-power thus turning you into a WILLING zombie-drone (the sum total of your life under such mesmerising spells).

Sadly, the head (intellect) is leading the way. The soul is being completely ignored/rejected/forsaken.

Who do you know who does not lead with the head (projection of illumination)?

This projection of illumination is mostly what brings a physical body to post illumination in Facebook (illumination).

Are you a willing zombie?

The intellect is the illuminists intention operating you as their zombie.

Why do you doubt who you really are?

Has not living creator already given you everything unconditionally and so much more?

Why are you forsaking living creator (life) whose undying love (life) for you always reveals its presence (LIFE) to you here and now AS PRESENT-SENSE (LIFE)............. and through its life as air, sunlight, nature, earth, etc, is always reaching out to you saying ........... come back home children, come home, why have you forsaken the essence of my life gifted to you freely?

The illuminsts thoughts in your head is the dream world you are currently lost to - the combined strings/threads of these thoughts (sentences/paragraphs/chapters/acts/books/libraries) is the intellect of the illuminists performing as your enslavement to them.

These combined intertwining threads of thoughts (a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 and all constructs/concepts derived from them) in your/everyone's head forms the illumination of their dream world.

All who worship their illumination are trapped in "The System" of their SENTENCE to hell.

The God of Satanists/Freemasons is Lucifer, the intellect (illumination). They ALL worship the intellect because it is ONLY THERE where they derive all their power over MAN. Lucifer is NON-PRESENT-SENSE. Under the illuminating influence of Lucifer we can no longer SENSE (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) who we really are (soul) and what we are really part of. Instead, we rely only on NON-SENSE, that being the thoughts of Lucifer bouncing to and fro between your/our ears (THEIR DREAM WORLD) and worshipping, following, serving that = the willing zombie.

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Arthur Cristian

You have (MAN has) already been given everything and so much more so why would you (MAN) doubt that?

Why would you sell out your soul by praying to a "divine" (DEMONIC) entity or by believing in a "anointed receiver of cosmic intelligence" (DEMONIC) as in a Jesus/Yeshwah?

These illuminated thought forms are part of the SENTENCE structures of "The System", all of which are of Lucifer, and all of which currently imprison you as a willing zombie performing all your slave-masters duties which you have already accepted as your LOT in life.

Why are you giving up your life (soul) to other men and women who already sold out to be the soldiers of Lucifer?

Who is your master?

All of MAN is gifted with everything of living-creator so why would you raise up another MAN to be below that MAN and be below (sold out to) whatever illuminated storytelling bullshit they peddle?

From where else does a "divine", "anointed receiver of cosmic intelligence", Jesus, Yeshwah, etc, derive?

These demonic entities are ONLY in and of "The System".

To believe/worship/follow these illuminated thoughts/images is to be SENTENCED to HELL, "The System", ruled ONLY by a make-believe language of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 strings/threads forming your dream-world SENTENCE (false idols).

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Arthur Cristian

To fully comprehend the big-picture we see/sense, start at the top of the home page of the Love For Life website and slowly scroll down from there reading and watching everything. Don't bother with the left hand menu at this stage. http://loveforlife.com.au

And for more on all this read

Illumination IS Definition
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
26th to 29th January 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8577

The Cristian Family November 2006

Live And Be The Living Dream

Facebook Thread

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10208493400720613

1st February 2016

On Arthur's Facebook wall 1st February 2016

Wade Libbis posted this.................

Just been watching "Dancing With Magic (Lies) Part One Arthur & Fiona Cristian Love For Life ". Man you give me pain. The truth is spot on. What does one do when your childs mother is completely blind and wanting to full on push your child into the lie? What do you do when you're too afraid to leave your child in her care? Go and ask the slave masters to improve my conditions.

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Arthur Cristian

You have to create a living Kindom example for your child so that there is a living light existing in present-sense for those lost to the darkness to return to in this life. Instead of battles with Freemasons, their zombie lackeys and willing slaves like your child's mum, its best you create and expand a living dream of Kindom in this life so that your growing child can sense the living light of your dream and see a clear way out of this hell hole in this life.

Don't be concerned with time and space constructs/concepts and dumping them on you and your child. Create a present-sense living dream of Kindom without being infected by doubt, uncertainty, fear, laziness, etc, and direct all your life-force-energy (hard devoted labour) into it day by day, week by week, month by month, year by year, so that Kindom grows and flourishes before your child's eyes.

Stay on "good" peaceful terms with your partner, ex or not, and with your child so that your child remains always in contact with you.

Start creating a garden here and now (no excuses) and get your child involved in it when he/she is with you and make sure you don't force her/him to do it. Let it be fun, joyful, exciting and inspiring, etc.

Little steps to Kindom day by day, etc, is what's required.

Under your present circumstances, how else is true freedom, etc, going to happen?

The power is ALWAYS with you so use it wisely and completely stay away from conflict. Those inflicted with chaos - let them have it. Remain a MAN of peace and direction at all "times". Be a doer/creator and not a wanker. :)

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Jaba Art

Get the same "issue" and saw that this man is only responsible for himself! To make see the point on someone else is imposing and taking away the free choice! This man can only show to the children the true face of reality! And let the children have their free choice! This is the full unconditional love and respect for LIFE and ALL THE LIVING!

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Arthur Cristian

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

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Douglas Joseph

i have ZERO doubt and I KNOW i have discovered what everyone is doing wrong....to themselves. EVERYTHING is voluntary....everything.

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Adon Bender

Other then the initial subjugation & inuring that's essential in rearing co-dependent parasites... I'd say yes, it always operates through the will of the abject/subordinate.

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Douglas Joseph

what a pile of poop emoticon Are we supposed to wowed by a bunch of bullshit? hahahaha. YOU being the 'abject/subordinate co-dependant parasite, i totally agree. like emoticon Baffling people with bullshit doesn't work anymore.

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Douglas Joseph

keep it REALLY simple...stoopid.

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Adon Bender

Children don't willfully go to school to learn to regurgitate shit that makes them the 'voluntary' cogs of the corporate-control-grid... NO child really gets full disclosure on what the conditioning/trauma does to their will-power/soul...

Nothing really that baffling to come to terms with... The system needs to rear it's slaves so they run on the treadmill in an orderly fashion...

The notions/doctrines instilled are programs for the robot...

AKA -- We need to fucking destroy the authenticity of the child/man before the child/man 'voluntarily' performs as the subordinate.

The Cristian Family November 2006

The As Above So Below Duality Psyop Program

Facebook Thread: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10208637076032406

20th and 21st February 2016

Watch out for duality (as above so below - as within so without, etc) as it is a brilliantly crafted and executed psyop program of illumination where believers are trained and disciplined to give up full-responsibility and full capacity to love and live unconditionally and through doubt and uncertainty, are placing their lives under the illuminating, hierarchical image power of liars/deceivers acting as 3rd party re-presentatives of God/Holy-Creator/Jesus/whatever and here in this projected man-made hell of limited liability, limited responsibility and a limited capacity, the duped have accepted being ruled by these vampirical con-artists bound and lost to a make-believe lineal reality called "The System".

All are wards of the "state", grown up weaklings (children) incapable of full-responsibility/etc) and spend their whole lives sucking on the nipples (relying only on the hand outs) of whatever these liars are offering, being told how to think, how to feel, how to act, how to live, who you are, who you are not, what you are part of and what you are not part of, what is your purpose in life, what you can eat, drink, etc, and what you cannot whatever, where you can live and what your living conditions will be, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.......

"The System" is the perpetual compelling performance of worshipping/living-for lies/liars/etc. Nothing else is going on.

Parents who love their children dream for them to do greater than them. Such is the way of unconditional love. Living Creator did not create MAN to be (always be) less than living creator, to always be a weakling. Only a fallen MAN could conjure up such bullshit and execute a plan to carry out the intent of turning brothers/sisters of MAN into zombies/weaklings/etc.

Only doubt and uncertainty in MANS magnificence causes fallen MAN to cling to illuminated stereotyped Gods/Holy-whatever/messiahs/prophets/etc images for comfort, security, direction, life-purpose, sanctuary, etc, etc = sucking on the nipples of the 3rd party dead-corpses/institutions/etc as wards of the "state". They all love their soothing nursery rhymes and feel good fairytales. Waking up to reality is just too much for them. Bless their bleating hearts.

Unconditional love does not come with exclusivity and privileges. We were all meant to be unique and original, not one the same as the next.

This duality also works as the illumination of a projected e-go where it is being performed in "The System". While we stupidly live for the e-go we place our real forgotten lives (soul) under their imagined power and authority to act as the lamb totally dependent on its shepherd.

The victim believes they are weak/less-than-a-MAN while strength greater than them is constantly all around them (as above) and thus they are perpetual weak dependants relying only on the handouts provided by those who act stronger than them (so below).

As lambs they are always weak (doubt and uncertainty = as above) because all around them, their perceived weakness is reflected back at them in the chaos and horror they witness in "The System" and the "answer" to the chaos which is the "strong" rules, regulations, rituals, procedures, conditions, contracts, government, banking/commerce/insurance, institutions, private corporations, courts/law, military/police/sheriff/agent/administrative/etc enFORCE-men-t, expert commentators, priests/religions/new age/etc, and on and on and and on and on and on............. it goes (so below).

All the distrust, fear, uncertainty, doubt, etc, is played out in the wars, injustice, crimes, the greed, the selfishness, the self-centredness, the titles, status and standings where they see themselves as powerless lambs (as above) because they act/live weak (so below).

This trauma is also acted out as the rage, the victimhood, the unfairness, the destructive e-motions that prevent them from forming real, meaningful relationships, and from being peaceful, calm, joyful and happy. They continue to give up their peace and calm in present sense because, as above, they have set up something that is more powerful than them, the chaos, the trauma.

The "as above" of chaos plagues them as the anger, injustice, etc. So below, they are that as they keep shaping their lives in that chaotic image. In a state of chaos, they need someone or something stronger than them to provide the order to their chaos, which is why they accept the "as above" to rule over them.

So below, they want a stronger love than the love they have for who they are, a stronger appreciation, stronger water, food, shelter etc, becaue they do not want to take full responsibility/capacity. Instead they keep want, want, wanting and need, need, needing because they are helpless lambs sucking off the nipples of their shepherds corporations under limited liability/responsibility/capacity. Instead of being love, peace, joy, etc, in present sense, they keep selling out, as lambs to the slaughter. Who they really are is destroyed.

And as their perceived conditions in present-sense are love-less (as above) and therefore aliens/strangers/aloof to love, they search for an aloof unobtainable love that is remote and never threatens their love-less aloof, lonely conditions. On the surface, they act like knights in shining armour to the aloof love but, in reality, their drawbridge is never down and the walls around their soul never tumble.

When their aloof love is threatened, they come forward as powerful and brave defenders but, the fact is, it only happens remotely in words as they continue to be lost in the intellect of the as above trauma (E-GO) which reinforces the horror of their prison state (so below = "The System").

Many delusional, fake relationships are built out of this madness. They have to be Superman to cover up for the fact that they are really super-weak.

The crucified Christ on the cross (as above) is YOUR SOUL crucified (so below). This is what becomes of everyone lost and trapped in/to "The System".

And there, your crucified life/soul (so below) has been turned over to your persecutors who aided you in the crucifixtion of your soul (as above) so they can rule you throughout the whole of your fake life.

The Church ("THE SYSTEM" = AS ABOVE) with all the power oversees their crucified victims who have given up their souls to the Church to rule them, performing their (SO BELOW) rituals.

For more on all this read

Illumination IS Definition
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
26th to 29th January 2016
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8577

To fully comprehend the big-picture we see/sense, start at the top of the home page of the Love For Life website and slowly scroll down from there reading and watching everything. Don't bother with the left hand menu at this stage. http://loveforlife.com.au

Douglas Joseph posted these comments in this Facebook thread on Arthur's FB wall: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10208637076032406 "Watch out for duality (as above so below - as within so without, etc) ..........................".

There are also posts by others in this thread that have not been posted here.

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Douglas Joseph said:

"a "duel" is a challenge and I don't "see" duality in the context you present as a challenge, but rather, the obvious conflict that exists between what IS real vs what is FAKE. ALL commercial enterprise and the so called "system" you speak of IS the illusion. We are "PARTAKING" in our own self-inflicted pain and then pointing fingers at others as if WE have nothing to do with that pain.

IGNORANCE is what contributes to ALL of this. How many times must I post this paper for those of you who are seeking truth to recognize what it is I am showing you? STOP PARTAKING STUPID! STOP COMPLAINING STUPID! You look so foolish to those in so called "power" Arthur Cristian. I want to believe YOU are real but some of the things you write indicate that YOU are contributing to this confusion.

DUALITY???

Come on, all the hocus pocus crap MUST go. Keep it simple so that people GET IT!

Everything in Commerce is Fiction 6-2015: http://www.scribd.com/doc/271354344/Everything-in-Commerce-is-Fiction-6-...

All this bullshit about "warning signs" is designed to create FEAR when in fact, those posting THAT crap are the ones afraid of US figuring out that it IS ALL FAKE.

There's really nothing to fear whatsoever, except your OWN mind.

WTFU of don't...but if you listen to this babble/garbage it will simply cause more fear and MORE confusion. STOP.

This entire thread is devoted to creating FAKE FEAR. You people are sucked in and have sold YOUR Soul to the same so called "devil" you are painting as being so evil. What IS evil? It's easy to turn it around 180 degrees and LIVE! Every single one of these comments are BULLSIT for the most part. Your minds are sick.

FUCK this "ego" crap, it's NOT the fucking ego, it's the fucking mind! This labeling and the long winded yarns of these so called "prophets" of truth is woven with BULLSHIT and FEAR. Control your OWN mind and KNOW what is real and you will KNOW what to do. Forget the mumbo jumbo hocus pocus crap and THINK for a moment what you are doing to YOUR SELF stupid.

This reminds me of a dog and pony show. Arthur Cristian sonds like a PHONY to me.

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Arthur Cristian

All you are doing here is performing our lives in 3rd party under your projected stereotypes of illumination. You continue to attempt the kidnapping of our living characters so that you can impersonate us with clear intent to lie and lie and lie and lie as you make claim after claim after claim through this act of "expert commentary" into the intentions you claim are coming directly from us when in fact you have made them all up out of thin air.

These claims/lies are all coming from you Douglas - they are not ours. They are not our living dreams/intentions coming from our real lives.

You come into these threads with chaos.

War is ONLY what you have on offer here.

You do not come with peace and you are unable to use scrutiny to clearly deconstruct what we say and prove (back your claims) in 1st party that we "got it wrong", etc.

In fact, all you do is project your intended "war state belief systems" in 3rd party, attempting to superimpose your make-believe chaos of illuminated darkness (expert commentary) over us and our work/threads and make it out that this war of chaos and projected darkness is directly coming from us, from our real lives.

LOLLLLLLLLL

Bring forward the 1st parties to back your claims Douglas and not 3rd party expert commentators committing fraud and slander.

Are you able to do this?

You have never lived with us or worked intimately with us over a long period of "time" so how do you know what our true intentions are Douglas.

Are you psychic as in practising black magic through remote viewing?

Are you in the room with us Douglas?

Do you have a 3rd eye as in an all seeing eye?

Have we injured you Douglass?
Have we stolen something from you?

What is it that aggrieves you?

Why the breaking away from peace and calm?

If you have been hurt then please bring forward the 1st party to 1st party direct sensory experience of suck an event and if you can't then it clearly reveals your true intent to commit war and chaos here. An e-motional lying actor feigning injury or whatever is not proof of fact

If you don't bring forward 1st party evidence we will shortly completely block you in Facebook. We are not interested in supporting controversy loaded with lies backed by a liar.

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We then posted heaps of remedy information, "system" insights and links to so much of our Love For Life work found on the home page of the Love For Life website.

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Arthur Cristian

Douglas..... How much more living walk-the-talk life remedy do you want? What everyday practical sense life remedy do you offer that aids everyone in getting out of "The System" of slavery in this life, never to return and living real uncompromised lives of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, do no harm, no loss of uniqueness and originality and no slaves and rulers for everyone and everything of the dream of life?

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Arthur Cristian

By using the do no harm mantras and the information we have shared about the make up of "The System" throughout all the Love For Life work since 2005, and by throwing in a few trauma based lies here and there that have nothing to do with the Love For Life work and our real lives, what you do Douglas, is try to undermine those very mantras and insights.

By association with the Love For Life messages we share, through this clever manipulation, you attempt to make us out to be part of the lies that you peddle and try to make the lies stick to us so that naive, gullible, traumatised brothers and sisters still waking up to the illumination scam associate us with the lies.

You use a lot of brain control trigger points for the e-go to react to, which clearly shows that you are performing a black magic ritual, by using you as a sacrifice trying to destroy us before innocent others in your ritual by association with your e-motionally demonstrative and destructive performance of the lies you project as that Satanic Illumination profile you worship.

You say that we are stupid and phony and that we promote FEAR and FAKE FEAR and that what we say is bullshit and babble/garbage. You say that we have sold our souls and that our minds are sick, etc, etc. Please show us the exact words we use that prove what you are saying and back your claims as to why what we say is babble, etc. And no aloof, third party expert commentary. Find what you accuse us of in the Love For Life work.

You have never lived with us or had any close dealings with us and yet you make up all this non-sense about us as if you were an expert on us. This is clear evidence that you are trying to destroy our credibility, not that we are concerned because we do not have any attachment to that, and shows your intent for being in this thread in this FB wall. We are just pointing out the lies and the tactics behind them. We are happy to be proven wrong because we are up for continuing to grow and learn but we are always going to confront those who make claims that they can't back up and rout out the lies. We are blocking you.

We fully comprehend and see/sense these nasty, dirty, order-out-of-chaos infiltration tactics very well having come across them many, many times over the "years". Your methods are no different to Max Igan and Kate of Gaia. This is all you are offering here, Douglas. FUCK OFF.

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Douglas Joseph

OMFG, you are more full of shit that I thought!

Look, EVERYONE is FUCKING themselves. UNFUCK YOURSELF dude.

You are a MAJOR fucking corporate tool!

You are a MAJOR fucking corporate tool!

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Douglas was blocked.

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Example of other comments posted in this thread...

All are replying to Douglas Joseph's comments.

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Jaba Art

You are in the DUAL CONFLICT with your own thoughts thats why you are trying to create confusion and conflict! This is the system E-GO you are performing here!

The trauma of thinking being "better/higher/smarter" makes you the impostor of the system thought!

Defending something you did not create yourself is pure E-GO conflict.

Bring on the proof of fact that what is said here is not true ... your turn to bring the facts bro. <3

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Garry Vettoretto

Hi Douglas. The mind and the ego are actually the same thing. The rest of what you say is spot on.

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Adon Bender

I interpret it as an insight into what the elitists/occultists glorify -- how they operate... This is how thought-forms/egregores work... From my perspective it confirms what I've learnt when I was engrossed in researching the occult. The occultists ascribe non-sense concepts to life & 'project' those non-sense notions over reality/life/man and the conned manufacture them reliably... No 'hocus-pocus' involved.

The article you keep posting is completely prosaic here... Most comprehend commerce & the corporate entity (name) is fiction Douglas. There's nothing of substance you've brought - just your opinion.

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Raymond Karczewski

Well Done Arthur, Fiona,

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The Cristian Family November 2006

Things Are NOT What They Seem

23rd February 2016

Facebook Post on Arthur's Wall: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian

Sanitised wrote today.... Have you seen this Arthur??? Pretty interesting - Eyewitnesses Testify: ‘Pope Francis Raped and Killed Children; Sealed Vatican Documents Expose Their Satanic Rituals’: http://www.conspiracyclub.co/2015/06/04/vatican-secret-ritual

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Arthur Cristian

Hi Sanitised, Kevin Annett is a controlled opposition intel operative - we (and many others) routed him out around 6 to 8 years ago all of which can be found in the LFL website if you Google search for his name inside the website. Though the sex abuse, ritual sacrifice, etc, occurs/goes on inside ALL "The System" false idol temples of MANS fallen "state", the Freemasons/Satanists must control all outcomes to maintain their long-term power base and they have no intention of letting go even though on the surface, played out across mainstream, it appears they are.

Through overall control on all sides, they have been gradually crumbling down the "old" and current "bad guys" version of "The System" with its BLAMED/WRONG fall guys (Jews, Israel, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Bankers, America, Vatican, etc) so they can let their collective multi-thousands of controlled opposition "good guys" (false prophets) finally trumpet in the "golden remedy" (the phoenix rising) of their feel good/feel god, cosmic galactic oneness NWO (one world multicultural government, law, religion, education, language, etc) remedy, all led out front by the children/grand children/controlled puppets of all current, established interconnected elite bloodline families and their "ancient" networks.

Watch out for their pied pipers such as but not limited to Sasha Stone, Jordan Maxwell, David Icke, Michael Tellinger, Mark Passio, Kate Of Gaia, Santos Bonacci, George Green, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Michael Tsarion, Michael Tellinger, David Wilcox, Project Camelot/Avalon, One Earth/World/this-or-that, Kevin Annett, Max Igan, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Depak Chopra, Sir this or that, Judge this or that, expert this or that, media this or that, corporate heads this or that, wildlife/green this or that, media this or that, entertainment this or that, privileged/elite "sur-name" he or she, title this or that, race this or that, cultural head he or she, .................................., etc, etc, etc, thousands and thousands of them.

All that will come out of this ancient planed, coordinated, earth-wide end times pantomime is the quota system of "The System" under another "common law" type of guise. If anyone is pointing to another version of "The System" or offering no remedy at all, just dead ends, something which David Icke does well, then you know they have either sold out to this scam or are useful idiots supporting this end times scam.

The ONLY true remedy is NO SYSTEM, no man-made system.

To fully comprehend the big picture we see/sense, start at the top of the home page of the Love For Life website and slowly scroll down from there reading and watching everything and don't be concerned about the left hand side menu at this stage - http://loveforlife.com.au

Can You Spot The Ego? Where's Wally? Part Two - Compilation of Facebook & Youtube Insight Posts During Aug/Sept 2015

The Cristian Family November 2006

Can You Spot The Ego?
Where's Wally? Part Two


Compilation of Facebook & Youtube Insights
Posted by Arthur Cristian
During August/Sept 2015

Part One: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8573
Part Two: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8576

Note: Updated 11th October 2015 8.03am

The Cristian Family November </p>
<p>2006

Welcome To The Tyranny Of Goodness

23rd September 2015

Arthur Cristian

Welcome to the Tyranny Of Goodness, another Love For Life MUD Room Productions Game. We would like to thank today's contestants, Jaba Art, Kenny St Pierre, Arthur Cristian, Adon Bender, Michael Sorano, Frances Cranton and all you millions of subscribing pay-as-you-go fans out there across the internet, because without YOU tuning into the MUD ROOM every day, this show and tell game would not exist.

Before we start, we would also like to quickly give a huge thank you plug to all our sponsors "out there", The British Royal Family, The Pope, The Jesuits, The Roman Catholic Church, The Church Of England, Freemasons of many orders (you all know who you are out there (Y) performing as aristocrats, kings, queens, dukes, duchesses, barons, baronesses, princes, princesses, politicians, judges, barristers, lawyers, priests, experts, professors, scientists, educators, artists, actors, public servants, bureaucrat, big business representatives and stock holders), The Military Industrial Complex, The CIA, The FAKEBOOK CREW, Telstra, iiNET, Vodafone, Asus Computers, and a fantastic highly competitive bunch of Intel Operatives performing an endless array of cointel psyop programming tactics to keep us all on our toes...

(Y) :) <3

As we always say "Life Is For The DEAD"

We thank you all (a huge applause from the audience starts up from the producer off screen holding up the clap/applause card).

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Arthur Cristian

Todays MUD ROOM game started here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918/permalink/1514476602177...

In Dancing With Magic Part Four https://youtu.be/kSVURGwm1Go, we delve even more deeply into apathy and denial and how we fight to maintain the farce of our e-go personas so that many of our interactions with others are fake and insincere. Many relationships, while not necessarily unhappy, only survive because of usually unspoken conditions and rules set between partners. We love our partners provided they do so and so and fulfil such and such needs, etc.

We do not allow each other to be truly free to express and be as we feel because of our own insecurity that has us fear that we will lose them or that they are invalidating us if they do not prove their love to us by meeting our conditions of acceptable behaviour, manner of speaking, looks, domestics undertaken, etc. If we want others to accept us as we truly are, we have to be prepared to do the same!

In Dancing With Magic Part Four, we also discuss the Greek Orthodox Church that Arthur grew up with and how their only remedy is self sustainable communities of monks, all male, in Australia, Greece and other places. All funded by the devoted Greek Orthodox congregations of the world who will be left to suffer while the monks are all set to survive whatever comes.

Also check out these posts.......

Can You Spot The E-Go - Where's Wally?
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 2nd September 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8573

IMAGE POWER
Superb Diamond Range Interviewing
Arthur & Fiona Cristian 4th Feb 2014
https://youtu.be/qFnuuw3kLog

Introduction To Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
6th March 2015
https://youtu.be/7SspPm9wRgo

Love For Life Food Forest Vege Garden
From Bare Dirt To Abundance Part One

8th February 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

Darkness Visible Part One A
The Freemasonic World In Plain Sight
Decoding George Washington Lithographs

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
14th December 2014:
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8557

Darkness Visible Part Five
The Horrific Satanic/Freemasonic
Blood Libel/Letting Rituals
Sacrificing Babies, Children, Teenagers,
Adults And Animals To Capture
Trauma For The Specific Purpose Of
Robot Controlling Their Victims

Fiona Cristian & Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
24th January 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8562

His-Story/Her-Story (History)
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
2005-2007 - Re-posted July 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8529

The Steps Of Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
2006-2007
https://loveforlife.com.au/node/5788

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit Part One
Love For Life - Arthur & Fiona Cristian - 27th February 2013
https://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao

Water Is The Life Of MANS Consciousness (Breath) Part One
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 9th February 2013
https://youtu.be/4ze66_33wxM

The "Name" Is The Mark Of The Beast
The Strawman Identifying Your Slave Status
In "The System"

Arthur Cristian - Love For Life - 5 th February 2012
https://youtu.be/DdOag66v7uo

The Dream Of Life Part 6
Under The Spell Of Intellectual Property

Arthur Cristian - Love For Life - 19th April 2012
https://youtu.be/IMK7CkU1ih8

The Love For Life Sequential Order of articles, debates, discussions, videos & podcasts posted since
January 2014 can be found on the Love For Life home page and at the bottom of any Love For Life web page.

Links to all our our articles debates, discussions,
videos & podcasts are listed here
:
https://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918

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https://facebook.com/151811728195925

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First Contestant begins...............

Jaba Art

Is the orthodox monks (male) idea to be the only to survive?

How will/can this work?

(catching up with Dancing with Magic ... internet is just back after 2 weeks ;) )

18 September at 06:37

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Arthur Cristian

It seems that through deep indoctrination/brainwashing with "God", "The Bible", etc, etc, and with their "good hearts", they believe they have to do this for the greater good of all of MAN, Creation, Life, etc, etc and probably their souls because they are ALL SAVED.... A lie is always a lie is a lie is a lie is a lie.....

18 September at 06:44

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Michael Sorano

thank you,arthur fiona.and family,for your labor of love.

18 September at 10:38

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Arthur Cristian

Part 5 coming shortly - still a few more videos to go after that.

18 September at 11:56

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Michael Sorano

love it all,thanks

18 September at 11:58

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Frances Cranton

thanks Fiona and Arthur finding these videos useful

18 September at 19:38

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Adon Bender

This is a valuable lesson in humility. Cheers for the energy you put in.

18 September at 22:36

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Kenny St Pierre

Hey Arthur, at about the 16:30 mark you said, "...we've been healing, I'm not saying that we're completely out of it. I don't think we are...".................

o me that doesn't matter.

What matters is that you and Fiona have taken the steps to be fully responsible and walk the talk. Also, it's a fact that your children will benefit immensely from your attempts to be "completely out of it". In your family's evolution somewhere down the road your offspring will reap the rewards you and Fiona dreamed for, which I am sure the both of you are quite happy about.

What you two started will evolve into something beautiful for your family. Whether you two are ever "completely out of it" is irrelevant to the big picture. Someday your children, grand children, or great grandkids will experience that freedom and will never forget who it was who helped break those chains for them. Best wishes to you and your family!!!!

19 September at 00:33

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Arthur Cristian

It's all in the intent - When we remember who we really are there is NOTHING to fear. It is only while we are lost in the doubt and uncertainty of our magnificence that we project the fear of our magnificence to be mirrored through others. Life is in our image. We create what we dream for. Best not to insert doubt and uncertainty into the thoughts we use to create the dream of the life of the MAN we are creating.

19 September at 23:47

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Kenny St Pierre

You are so right! I have had that experience with other musicians. I write songs, but many of them have become victims of copying. They have been playing cover songs for so long they have no idea how to play from their own hearts. They doubt their abilities to create and make something original.....

It's just another example of how people have compromised their inner being for the worship of another's work......

I try to tell them that another painter does not buy paints, brushes, and canvas to copy the works of another, so why would you buy an instrument, learn how to play it, and only copy the works of someone else. Makes no sense to me. That's a good way to lose oneself. It's as bad as following a religion, religious leader, or cult and losing your soul.

To me, even if I miss my target and don't accomplish any recognition so what! At least it's my own song and I created something.

20 September at 01:43

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Jaba Art

Yes (Y)

But also the instruments, scale, the words we did not create and is still compromised by learning 123.. abc ... modern music is pure mathematic ... adapting melodies into the range of the system notes ... so we have to be aware that this "music" is still pure satanic transmission! As long as we are playing 2nd party there is a 3rd party! <3

20 September at 02:25

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Arthur Cristian

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Kenny St Pierre

"...so we have to be aware that this "music" is still pure satanic transmission!"..............................................

I'd tend to disagree Jaba. I believe there are many things that are created by good men with good intentions. Not all things are the work of Freemasons or people with evil intent.........

To me, it's when inventions or concepts that are harmful to man and mother earth we should withdraw those designs......

I don't believe in Satan or God. Satan and God are the creation of those attempting to give a name or title to evil and good. What I believe is that we live in 2 worlds - the NATURAL and MAN-MADE.

When we live more so in the natural world good things happen to us - we are more spiritual, reasonable, intelligent, respectful of earth and others, have a higher appreciation for life, healthier, freer, etc. Contrarily, when we throw ourselves too much into the man-made world we can expect trouble; ill health, stress, anger, hate, pollution, corruption, control and so on..........

I don't see anything wrong in man pounding metal into a spade to make a shovel so he can make his job of digging a little easier and more efficient, but when man takes it to the next level and builds machines that can outdo a shovel 100x's over but in the process pollutes our water, earth, and air, it's time to backtrack and say no......

Being a singer I realize that a voice is NATURAL, yet how many of us want to hear only voices? We'd live in a world of barbershop quartets. How lame would that be? Therefore man sought a way to make sounds that could accompany a voice(s). There's no harm in that. Musical instruments do not pollute or destroy earth or man, unless they are made by harmful machines or use noxious materials. If so, then that is when such crimes need to be stopped.......

In summary I'm okay with man-made things till they cross the line of harm to earth, which in turn harms us. The NATURAL world can stay just as natural while man creates from nature, but when man oversteps his boundaries and creates objects of his affection at the cost of nature and himself, then he surely has his head screwed on wrong.

20 September at 05:13

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Jaba Art

Fact is fact ... you can agree or not this does not change the fact bro ;)

Fact is that the whole scale, instrument, word ARE from the satanic system ... and the INTENTION will never be able to be transmit purely with system 3rd party! As long as we use the SYSTEM the SYSTEM will stay in place ... the SYSTEM we only can take it as whole ... and not only the "good pieces" of it ... so WAR, SLAVERY, DESTRUCTION and HARM will continue!

20 September at 05:13

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Jaba Art

Voice is natural ... but the scales/tuning and WORDS are NOT!

20 September at 05:14

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Jaba Art

Singer comes from French: Chanteur = ENCHANTER :)

And unconsciously even with all good intentions I WAS ONE OF THEM LOLLLLLLLL

20 September at 05:16

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Kenny St Pierre

The scales come from the voice. The voice preceded the instrument. The instruments were tuned to the voices.

20 September at 05:16

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Jaba Art

Scales are pure system mathematics ... can't be found in nature!

20 September at 05:16

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Kenny St Pierre

So is an enchanter evil?

20 September at 05:17

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Jaba Art

Magic is always illusion black or white! Illusion is always a LIE ... ever LIE is a HARM and a CURSE!

20 September at 05:17

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Jaba Art

We have to get aware what we are doing and take full responsibility ... not saying stop singing ... but is important to be aware of the fact that scale, notes are still part of the system! <3

No offence ... this man is singing and aware of be able to be an enchanter ;) (Y)

20 September at 05:21

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Kenny St Pierre

Before mathematics there was music (voices).

20 September at 05:18

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Jaba Art

But no scales ;) (Y)

20 September at 05:18

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Kenny St Pierre

The voice was the unwritten scale. You can't tell the difference between a bad sounding note and a good one?

20 September at 05:23

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Jaba Art

Kenny St Pierre Yes but using the voice or follow scales is not the same! Using 3rd party is never our unique creation!

20 September at 05:24

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Jaba Art

BAD sounding not is just a opinion, point of view ... but no fact!

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Kenny St Pierre

So is your opinion of scales. You assume that scales are only written. My 1st sense hearing tells me what's in tune and what's not. The scales are automatically built in to me....Just because someone else took the time to write them down and put them in written form doesn't make them evil or a curse.

20 September at 05:35

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Jaba Art

Opinion is no fact! This man is not interreted in opinion, point of view only facts! And the fact is that scales are coming from the satanic system (Y)

20 September at 05:36

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Jaba Art

If we follow and instrument or C D E F G A B scales we are in the 3rd party of system melodies and not sound from your trough (Y)

20 September at 05:38

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Kenny St Pierre

Jaba Art " .. And the fact is that scales are coming from the satanic system."........

Prove that!

What is so bad about scales? And where did you get the word "Satanic" from? Do you believe in Satan, or did you learn that 3rd party word from those who created that lie? If Satan is a lie then why would you be so threatened of that which doesn't exist to begin with?

20 September at 05:44

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Kenny St Pierre

Remember: There are only two worlds, The NATURAL and MAN-Made. Not God and Satan. God and Satan are not entities in the natural world. Fruits, vegetables, herbs, flowers, berries, nuts, stars, sun, etc. are in the natural world... God and Satan, pollution, slavery, religions, wars, and such are man-made.

20 September at 05:51

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Kenny St Pierre

If you continue to talk about Satan I will assume you are stuck in the 3rd party creation of Good and Evil dieties.

20 September at 05:53

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Jaba Art

Can you bring me to scale and have 1st party experience with scales??? It is pure 3rd party from the satanic system (Y)

20 September at 05:58

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Jaba Art

Do you fully comprehend what satan D'EVIL is all about? Do not make things personal just keep staying on fact! This man do not attack or get into conflict! Logical SENSE and facts! Proof of facts bro is the only way to get to reality! Scrutiny and question everything! Don't believe anything this man say! <3

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Kenny St Pierre

Jaba Art "...Can you bring me to scale and have 1st party experience? "......

I'd probably have more success at scales than you would at bringing Satan into a 1st party experience.

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Jaba Art

Can you bring me to SCALE in 1st party so i can have a chat and handshake?

Satan is the FEAR/TRAUM/ILLUSION of man who create the harm by system indoctrination!

THEY are satan WORSHIPEr and everyone attached to 3rd party nd take position and is willing to get into conflict to defend 3rd party!

Your assumptions are D'EVIL satanic system you are defending!

This is the trauma and your attachement to the trauma of SCALES BRO!

This have NOTHING to do with THIS MAN <3

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Kenny St Pierre

Like I said, I'm okay with some man-made things. I can read a sheet of music from the internet by someone I never met thousands of miles away and know exactly what note they would sing at which interval in the song. And I can do the same when I follow along that same sheet. Therefore it is simple communication between two parties and nothing more - not Satanic BS or otherwise. The evil begins when nature or man is harmed. Scales do not harm. The scales are NOT Satanic or the work of Freemasons. They are a smart way to communicate the musical ideas to others by well-meaning people to other good intentioned folks.

20 September at 06:15

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Kenny St Pierre

Gotta go! Nice chatting Jaba

20 September at 06:16

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Jaba Art

3rd party copy and no unique creation ... and fully part of the system! Accepting the system is also accepting war, slavery, destruction and harm and finally all dead of life! Thats the pure fact of reality and what is going on! Being aware of the all system 3rd party and the damage it does to all life is the first step to get away from the system! And of corse almost everything we face in this FAKE WORLD is part of this FAKE SATANIC SYSTEM! (Y)

20 September at 06:18

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Jaba Art

Anytime Kenny St Pierre (Y)

20 September at 06:19

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Arthur Cristian

Kenny St Pierre wrote: " And where did you get the word "Satanic" from? Do you believe in Satan, or did you learn that 3rd party word from those who created that lie? If Satan is a lie then why would you be so threatened of that which doesn't exist to begin with?".

Satanism is the practised craft of creating 3rd party make-believe fairytales and conning children/men/women to enter into them to perform as a 3rd party actor, believing all the information of the pantomime as being true/real in 1st party. From there they accept all the 3rd party storytelling as 1st party which includes all the con-structs/con-cepts of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 and everything derived from them (explanations, instructions, education, suggestions) as in titles, standings, measurements, status, race, culture, creed, rules, regulations, rituals, procedures, conditions, contracts and prosthetics as in instruments, equipment, engineering, science, technology, telecommunication and all other inventions coming out of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3.

Satanism is anti-life.

Everything of "The System" is anti-life.

The dream of Satanism is to persuade MAN to commit spiritual suicide, killing everything of life.

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Arthur Cristian

It's all in the intent. If our thoughts/dreams/feelings/intentions are pure and sincere then with each breath out, while we are using DEAD music, we are encoding/embodying our purity and sincerity into the collective waters of MANS breath that really is the living song of MANS life.

While all DEAD music fades away very very quickly into oblivion (faster than milliseconds) the living song of our real lives continues expanding the living waters of MANS breath and there it lives forevermore as part of the eternal life of present-sense (consciousness).

MANS breath is always in 1st party = LIVING, while everything to do with mathematical scales, notes, chords, sounds, instruments/prosthetics, etc, etc, are in 3rd party = DEAD.

We (Fiona/Arthur & others) use the DEAD music to reach the LIVING-DEAD so that some of the LIVING-DEAD might SENSE our living breath and reawaken from their deep sleep.

It is impossible for DEAD music to bring LIFE to the living or to the living-dead. It has no living breath to do so.

It is the DEAD images of our faces, our lives, our voices, our songs encoded into the DEAD matrix ("The System") that helps those who sincerely dream for truth to connect with our living breath so that they can SENSE our real lives and it is ONLY HERE, in present-sense, where we can aid the living dead to truly reawaken from their deep sleep.

We are bringing light (life) into the darkness (dead) but its up to the living-dead to sense the light otherwise they are completely lost to the darkness forevermore. Concreted to the deep sleep, once the physical body goes (so to speak), they are forever gone too. They can never come back.

The DEAD music we create does absolutely NOTHING to wake up the dead. What does not exist has never existed and therefore is incapable of providing life/sense for the living. Fantasies will always remain illusions making believers deeply delusional. Projecting the 3rd party e-go into the 3rd party matrix is not real life, real love, real consciousness, etc, etc. It is all DEAD. Sadly, everyone in "The System", one way or another are deeply infected with the encroachment of DEATH (the grim reaper of deep deep deep sleep) upon them.

Living a fake life out of 3rd party storytelling influences, explanations, instructions, education, suggestions (NON-SENSE = the deep deep deep sleep) IS the actual ritual of a fallen-MAN committing spiritual suicide before our very eyes/lives.

They are really dying.

The grim reaper is working away doing its deep deep deep sleep job as dreamt by the nutter, the grand architect, who imagined it into a make-believe existence.

It's all in the intent.

In the image of whose intent do you want to be???

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Kenny St Pierre

Lying: The deliberate act of deviating from the truth. Tell an untruth; pretend with intent to deceive.

Illusion: Something that many people believe but is false.

The act of deluding.

Deception by creating illusory ideas.

An illusory feat; considered magical by naive observers.

Lying and illusions are not the same.

A lie is an attempt at deliberate harm. Illusions can be used for fun; card tricks, fireworks, light shows, movies, etc.

Therefore you’re wrong when you say “Illusion is always a LIE ... ever LIE is a HARM and a CURSE!”

20 September at 05:31

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Jaba Art

If something is not full disclosure of reality is still a LIE it does not matter if the lie is told unconsciously!

This is with ALL we think, feel, say and do (Y)

20 September at 05:35

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Kenny St Pierre

Reality is all that is natural.

The lie is anything man-made that causes harm to the natural.

20 September at 05:38

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Jaba Art

Thats it (Y)

scales, words, instruments are man made (Y)

20 September at 05:39

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Kenny St Pierre

"Satanism is the practised craft of creating 3rd party make-believe fairy tales and conning children/men/women to enter into them to perform as a 3rd party actor, believing all the information of the pantomime as being true/real in 1st party.".............

Correct Arthur, and the key words are "3rd party make-believe fairy tales".....

If adults can not tell the difference between make-believe and reality then that's on them. I see people all the time bowing down to religious leaders, rock stars, politicians, athletes, drugs, money, fame, Hollywood stars, "Royalty", etc. etc. It's all in their heads. Those things and people are no better or greater than anyone/anything else.

It's all an illusion. ........i.e. Millions of people will gather together to watch and listen to the Pope speak, doing whatever it takes just to touch his robe, yet when has any Pope marched or protested against war, placing themselves in harm's way for the sake of humanity? NEVER!

They are actors putting on a play and those who fall for it, follow, and worship them deserve what they get. Make-believe fairy tales are nothing to fear. Fairy tales are made to be laughed at and ridiculed. The more we laugh at those who follow the illusions the better chance of us getting people to take a hard look at themselves. The problems arise when humans believe the fairy tales are real.........................

All our wars, strife, and troubles are the result of beliefs (Fairy Tales) in the fictions of religions, leaders, drugs, movies, sports, and money. The more time people spend talking about and living in fiction the greater their fall from SELF.......

So often I see grown men upset that their favorite baseball team lost a game, their "most respected" politician, athlete, or religious leader caught up in some sex or drug scandal, It's laughable to me!!!!

Did they really think their "saviors" were above humanness and wore wings? How sad it is for those who follow such fantasy. When FICTION becomes a person's REALITY they should be mocked and ridiculed for their folly. I don't give two shits for people like that ......

One of the greatest movie scenes ever is the one in "The Wizard Of Oz" when Dorothy, Tin man, Lion, and Scare crow, are standing before Oz, and Dorothy is holding the broom (Covenant) and looks to cash in on Oz's promise to her.

The 4 of them stand nervous and shaken before the illusion on the wall, and beg Oz to keep his promise to Dorothy and send her back home.

What a brilliant metaphor!

That whole scene is mocking the masses who believe the illusions of religion, saviors, prophets, priest, and Popes. It took a stupid animal (Toto) to pull back the curtain and reveal the real entity behind the illusion. It's pretty sad when an animal is smarter than a human and knows the difference between reality and illusion.

One must ask them self why it is that Toto knew what the others didn't. Simply speaking, it's because Toto used its SENSES to determine reality. Collectively the others were too transfixed on the make-believe illusions of the image, fire, and smoke. They gave in to the fantasy.

That's all life is.

It's all about us humans knowing and understanding the difference between fantasy and reality. Sadly, too many folks believe the fantasies are reality................

A typical weekly routine of my fellow Americans is working the better part of their day for money (Illusion), to purchase products (Illusions) they don't need, to eat fast-food poisons (Illusions), sit in front of the television for a few hours each day (Illusion), go to church and worship a God on Sunday mornings (Illusion), hail their military heros (Illusion), take drugs (Illusion), judge others (Illusion), ad infinitum......
Lololol.....

These people are not a direct threat to me.

They mean nothing! If they wish to stay in their shit that's on them. I can not help them. Each day of my life I must ask myself what is REAL and what's the FANTASY. It's okay to participate in the illusions just as long as we are aware that that's all they are. It's when people begin to believe in their "roles" that their minds become a twisted joke, and when it happens collectively humanity pays a price. Most of our past history is a collection of events which occurred via our illusions and fantasies.

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Jaba Art

Are you judging, laughing about people who are unable to see their trauma Kenny St Pierre???

Yesterday at 02:11

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Kenny St Pierre

Lol...Guilty as charged Jaba!

Yesterday at 02:12

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Jaba Art

So you are judging? You feel superior over others? Kenny St Pierre

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Kenny St Pierre

Why not?

If I can see the folly in another's fantasy, I have a right to laugh as loud and often as I want. No one has a right to judge another's reality, but surely I/we have a right to laugh at those or ourselves when we are foolish enough to believe illusion as reality. I laugh at myself all the time. Therefore I judge ME because I sometimes forget I'm in the fantasy.

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Jaba Art

Judging is harm ... why you do harm?

Yesterday at 02:21

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Jaba Art

So this man should judge you because you do not get that scales are 3rd party from the satanic system???

Yesterday at 02:22

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Kenny St Pierre

Judging is only harmful when we are judging the reality. Judging that which is fiction is harmless.

Yesterday at 02:22

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Jaba Art

Judgment is always harm because one man TRY to stand upon another man ... what give your the authority??? this is pure system trauma and EVIL!

Yesterday at 02:23

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Jaba Art

Laughing about ourself or WITH someone because of a silly situation or being recognised (Y)

But ABOUT or WITH there is the whole difference! You love your fully compromised, traumatised, and evil brothers and sisters? Do you comprehend Unconditional Love for Life?

Yesterday at 02:29

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Kenny St Pierre

Jaba Art .....Okay, I'm done talking to you......Apparently you just like to argue for the sake of arguing.....If you're "tramatized" by what I said, then I must go now and laugh somewhere else so I don't tramatize you any further.

Yesterday at 02:29

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Jaba Art

Kenny St Pierre no this is not arguing but scrutiny without JUDGING you to not be able to see the point! Are you willing to question all your believes??? Or are you in conflict with yourself and not able to let question you? Do you have something to hide???

Yesterday at 02:35

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Jaba Art

Kenny St Pierre you are not able to traumatise this man!

You can have a laugh this will not change your own trauma! <3

Yesterday at 02:36

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Arthur Cristian

The death to the e-go is the true reawakening of your real living freedom.

We all come from eternal life but we are now all deeply compromised because we were all raised in "The System", we each now have the choice of eternal life or eternal death.

Which one do you want?

The sun still shines, the air is still there, nature has never abandoned you - it is you abandoning eternal life.

Yesterday at 10:44

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Kenny St Pierre

INTENT is the key word.

I don’t think an invention or idea is “system” if the INTENT was to simply create something for man’s use. However, if the creation had an INTENT by its creator to harm (i.e. money) and separate man into class divisions and such, then clearly there is an evil INTENT....

If I made you a saw at no cost and with no INTENT other than for you to use to cut down trees, I don’t see the evil behind it. Although the saw itself is not a living, breathing being, nor does it bring or create life, it does not mean it is evil. To me DEAD things do not always equal evil INTENT or action....

It’s true that a song cannot bring about life, but it’s also true it is not evil or of system, unless of course the writer had dreams or INTENT to be a star, patting his ego and with the purpose of supporting the illusionary system - the breakdown of our souls.

Nature itself has rocks and metals of all sorts, but that does not mean Mother nature made those non-breathing, non-living objects with an evil INTENT. They are what they are without any emotional attachment or INTENT. Only man can add an INTENT or emotion to them. By themselves a song or a rock are nothing more than something to hold, view, or listen to. They can be without INTENT. Only the creator, beholder, or listener can add an INTENT. It’s all in man’s mind. So the INTENT is the only issue....

The system which we currently live has INTENTION. It is/was designed for profit, slavery, division, crime, corruption, etc. etc. However, if we had a “system” without money and none of the evil INTENT then would it be a bad system? Couldn’t man create and use a non-living, non-breathing system free of underlying destructive INTENT for/to his benefit? Would it even be a “system” at all if it were free of bad INTENT?....

Last week my daughter Brandy handed me a birthday card I made for her 8 years ago. She asked, “Dad, do you remember this?” At first I didn’t, but with some though I began to recall when and where it was when I made it. I got a kick out of the fact she had saved it and cherished it. And although the card itself is non-living, non-breathing and cannot create life, it does hold my good words and INTENT. My “invention” still reflects a sense of good feeling and warmth to her. The card may be dead, but my written INTENT does give her a feeling of joy (Life).

It’s the same with rocks and stones. Although NON-LIVING, I can pile them up and make a home, giving me warmth and protection, and sustaining my LIFE. What evil is there in that? Isn’t the golden rule DO NO HARM the only thing that really matters?.....

“We (Fiona/Arthur & others) use the DEAD music to reach the LIVING-DEAD so that some of the LIVING-DEAD might SENSE our living breath and reawaken from their deep sleep.”

So I assume you can see my point when I say, “My “invention” still reflects a sense of good feeling and warmth to her. The card may be dead, but my written INTENT does give her a feeling of joy (Life).” Although something is non-living IT CAN provide a SENSE of “living breath and reawaken” us.

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Jaba Art

But the intent have to fully clean of all illusions/ego/trauma if not with the intent all illusion/ego/trauma get transmit at the same time! With how much "Good intentions" ou parents LIE to us??? The result is still a FULL LIE!!!

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Arthur Cristian

Who/What gave you the authority/rights to disregard the naturally living consciousness/life of the tree, mountains, undisturbed soils and rocks, etc, so you can murder/destroy them to create a dead-corpse saw that is without consciousness/life/soul and which can ONLY be used to continue murder and a genocide campaign against life/nature/earth?

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Arthur Cristian

Earth/Nature/MAN is dying everywhere because of hundreds of millions of good men and women experiencing something "good" they love that comes from "The System".

The card came from murdering a forest, is that "Good"???

Is the dying forest reflecting the sense of good feelings and warmth coming from everyone who has received a card and experienced good, warm feelings????

Are we on the do no harm path here?

Is this unconditional love in practice?

I love you forest but I am destroying you! I am a MAN of love, peace and do no harm.

Is this what you are trying to convey here Kenny?

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Arthur Cristian

I love you forest but I am destroying you! I am a MAN of love, peace and do no harm.

Is this what you are trying to convey here Kenny?

Is this unconditional love in practice?

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Arthur Cristian

Do you realise that ALL children have to be deeply brainwashed and harmed to have what you are arguing for......." Couldn’t man create and use a non-living, non-breathing system free of underlying destructive INTENT for/to his benefit? Would it even be a “system” at all if it were free of bad INTENT?..... ??????

Where does the authority come from to allow men and women to deeply brainwash and harm children????

Or should we not be concerned about all this and just get on with destroying innocent children and nature because its a GOOD INTENT?

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Arthur Cristian

Can you please bring forward the first parties to back your claims here.... "Nature itself has rocks and metals of all sorts, but that does not mean Mother nature made those non-breathing, non-living objects".

We want to hear this directly from the tongue of the first parties and NOT from 3rd party impostors acting as 1st party rocks, metals, etc... because if you can ONLY bring forward a 3rd party impostor, this would be lying and committing fraud.

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Arthur Cristian

"man’s mind.".......... Can you bring forward the "mind" as a first party too?

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Arthur Cristian

Is a little bit of harm ok Kenny?

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Kenny St Pierre

“Who/What gave you the authority/rights to disregard the naturally living consciousness/life of the tree, mountains, soils, rocks”.....

*** No one gave me the authority.

But what gives anyone the authority to regard the natural living consciousness/life of the tree, mountains, soil, rocks as its only life form?
Who says that the life of the tree ends at its cutting down?

Who says that trees which fall down due to aging and lie on the ground broken are any less conscious than a tree cut down?

Doesn’t the tree’s wood live on long after its supposed observed death by man?

Who says it’s no longer conscious?

Houses built from wood can stand for hundreds of years after they’ve been cut.

Who says that wood is no longer conscious or living. Are the buried bones of man no longer conscious because the muscles, nerves, and tissues they once supported no longer are a part of the body’s structure?.....

“… so you can murder/destroy them to create a dead-corpse saw that is without consciousness/life/soul and which can ONLY be used to continue murder and a genocide campaign against life/nature/earth?”

*** Where are the facts that the metals used to make a saw are no longer conscious or living?

Who says that when the metals are extracted for a purpose or use that their life/consciousness ends?

By who’s authority is this claim made?

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Arthur Cristian

With us, our intent is to drop everything of "The System" in this life. We only temporarily use DEAD things to communicate with the DEAD and in some moment to come we will stop doing this and walk completely away from "The System". Our intent is not to perpetuate the harm through all the generations to come. We live to end it in this life.

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Kenny St Pierre

"We only use DEAD things to communicate with the DEAD..."..............

Who determines the death of consciousness?

At what point can one man tell another what or if a natural object is no longer living or conscious?

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Arthur Cristian

So you are actually FULLY AGREEING that it is ok for anyone at any-time to murder your children or to murder you or other loved ones.

You said.......... "But what gives anyone the authority to regard the natural living consciousness/life of the tree, mountains, soil, rocks as its only life form? Who says that the life of the tree ends at its cutting down? Who says that trees which fall down due to aging and lie on the ground broken are any less conscious than a tree cut down?"

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Arthur Cristian

"Who determines the death of consciousness?"...... those who seek to do harm to the living.

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Arthur Cristian

Is a little bit of murder ok Kenny?

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Arthur Cristian

And can you please answer all the other questions asked of you to answer in this thread or are you just going to avoid them????

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Kenny St Pierre

“So you are actually FULLY AGREEING that it is ok for anyone at any-time to murder your children or to murder you or other loved ones.”

*** Not at all.

What usefulness is there in murdering a child?

What tools are made to help aid man in performing a chore by murdering a child?

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Jaba Art

So is it ok for anyone to kill any of the living??? Tree, animals or other form of life???

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Arthur Cristian

"Who says it’s no longer conscious? Houses built from wood can stand for hundreds of years after they’ve been cut. Who says that wood is no longer conscious or living. Are the buried bones of man no longer conscious because the muscles, nerves, and tissues they once supported no longer are a part of the body’s structure?..... "

So it is ok to murder you and all your extended family so that nothing of your family remains to be remembered by descendants because descendants no longer exist to do so.

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Kenny St Pierre

" Is a little bit of murder ok Kenny?"........You're the one calling it murder. I don't. Does the tree cry out in pain when it gets cut down? Are you asking me to adopt your opinion of what death is? If I did wouldn't that be 3rd party?

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Arthur Cristian

"*** Where are the facts that the metals used to make a saw are no longer conscious or living? Who says that when the metals are extracted for a purpose or use that their life/consciousness ends? By who’s authority is this claim made?"

You made these claims Kenny.

It is your e-go projecting here.

"Who says that when all your family is murdered for a purpose or use that their life/consciousness ends? By who’s authority is this claim made?"

They are all your claims Kenny.

Why don't you murder all your family and then do away with your life too and then please do come back and tell us all here that your/their consciousness ends or not.

Can you please arrange this Kenny as we want you to fully back your claims here, we want you to walk the talk.

They are your claims so please back them up.

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Arthur Cristian

If it is ok for you to murder mountains, forests, undisturbed rocks, soil, etc, then it is also ok for others to cause genocide to all the extended bloodlines that connect with you no matter were they maybe across Earth.

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Kenny St Pierre

"So is it ok for anyone to kill any of the living??? Tree, animals or other form of life???"........

No, it is NOT okay for anyone to kill any of the living.

There is clearly a difference between the murder of an animal or person, than what you claim to be the murder of the tree when it has been cut down or metals extracted from the earth.

You are mixing apples and oranges...

When you walk on grass are you murdering it?

Should we all stop walking because some people believe that the "murdering" of the grass is as unacceptable as the murder of a child?

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Arthur Cristian

And when you or anyone close to you gets murdered or dies or gets badly harmed down-the-line, please DO NOT COMPLAIN OR GET UPSET OR WHINGE AND MOAN AND GROAN ABOUT IT OR CRY ETC ETC AND SAY ITS NOT FAIR, ETC ETC.....

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Jaba Art

Can you proof this claim?

"There is clearly a difference between the murder of an animal or person, than what you claim to be the murder of the tree when it has been cut down or metals extracted from the earth."

Did the metal or the tree give you the authorisation to extract/kill???

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Kenny St Pierre

"...please DO NOT COMPLAIN OR GET UPSET OR WHINGE AND MOAN AND GROAN ABOUT IT OR CRY ETC ETC AND SAY ITS NOT FAIR, ETC ETC..." ...

I will cry, and moan and groan, because I can recognize the difference between the evil INTENT and harm in murdering a child and the good INTENT to build a house from a tree's wood.

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Arthur Cristian

What Kenny is saying, is that the perpetrators of his murder and the genocide of his family were given the permission to do so and that it is natural to do so because it provided good warm feelings to the perpetrators in murdering them.

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Jaba Art

TYRANNY OF GOODNESS (Y)

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Arthur Cristian

This is the basis of his WHOLE ARGUMENT HERE. LOLLLLLLLLL

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Jaba Art

Kenny St Pierre your opinion, point of view or illusion about things do not change the facts!

Bring forward in 1st party the authorisation to kill anything! (Y)

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Arthur Cristian

Hannibal Lecter was clever too.... :)

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Kenny St Pierre

"What Kenny is saying, is that the perpetrators of his murder and the genocide of his family were given the permission to do so and that it is natural to do so because it provided good warm feelings to the perpetrators in murdering them."........

I say no such thing. You are interpreting and changing my words to fit your agenda.

Time for me to get off this silly computer and take a walk and "murder" some grass. :)

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Jaba Art

Thats the fact of what you say Kenny St Pierre no interpretation here!

Are you fully aware of all you are saying here??? Did you took full responsibility of all thoughts, feelings, WORDS and actions???

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Arthur Cristian

Take a very good look in the mirror bro - on one hand you justify the murder of forests, mountains, etc, to have the experiences of those good warm feelings you are arguing for but on the other hand you refuse others to experience good warm feelings by murdering you and your extended family.....

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

We are off to bed, its late here...

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Jaba Art

You can go and torture a cat or your children ... this is the same then going out and murder some grass! Are you really looking for kindom away from the whole system? Or do you want take the system into kindom and kill the kindom? Kenny St Pierre think about this question! Because system in the kindom is dead to the Kindom and no longer Kindom! This is the whole point of this group!

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Kenny St Pierre

"...on one hand you justify the murder of forests, mountains, etc."............

I already told you I don't consider that murder - you do.

By your standards I guess pulling a tomato from it's plant, an apple from a tree, and herbs from their roots is "murder" too?

Do you eat them for your pleasure without regard for their life?

Are you a murderer when doing so?

I think not.

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Kenny St Pierre

"...Who says that when all your family is murdered for a purpose or use that their life/consciousness ends?".............................. Family murdered for a purpose or use? Please explain the purpose or use in the murder of one's family without the ill INTENT of the murderer.

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Arthur Cristian

There isn't one (purpose) in that way Kenny.... THEY JUST DO IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO - THEY LOVE IT. They don't sense the natural life of another life-form - they just do what they want to do, and don't give a fuck about anything else. The warm good feelings they get from murder and harm doing is all that matters to them.

You are armed with a whole lot of belief systems designed to justify the harm/murder you support, condone, and cause and have it all excused because the harm/murder provides ongoing warm good feelings for you.

Same with Hannibal Lecter coming to wipe you and your family out.

Hannibal gets a lot of warm, good feelings out of crucifying you and your family.... He believes he has every right to do it so he murders to appease the appetite for warm good feelings. He has no interest in your feelings, opinions, views, etc, as he is slowly chopping you up until you are dead.

All your protests are useless to Hannibal.

The warm good feelings ids all that matters for Hannibal.

Earth and MAN is dying very fast now because of multi millions just like you, perpetually loving what comes from the blatant murder and extreme harm to sensory life-forms so they can always have warm good feelings day by day..... McDonalds. Red Rooster, CitiBank, Trains, Planes, Cars, TV, Hollywood, Internet, Telephone, Shopping Centres, Supermarkets, Cities, Highways, Electricity, Gas, Oil, Electric Guitars and Amps, etc, etc...................

We are ONE huge, good, warm, feelings of DEATH spreading everywhere across Earth/Nature but it is ok because we can justify it so that there is no use in protesting. We all go to our graves with that smile of good, warm feelings - it is all that matters Kenny. :)

For us (Fiona/Arthur), we have woken up in the middle of this warm good feeling nightmare and are making all the steps possible to get out of it in this life. We sense our ancestors were breatharians and in this light we are paving the way for our descendants to get back there as quickly as possible, if not us in this life down-the-line.

This is why we created a food forest vege garden so that we are directly and fully responsible to put back everything we take of tomatoes, etc, into the garden by collecting their seeds, etc, and spreading them out into the wider communities, etc, so we are giving out/back ten times what we are taking from the garden.

This is very different to a funnelled upside down pyramid with a tiny hole at its tip with multi millions of brothers/sisters of consumers out there being compressed down through the upside down pyramid and out through the tiny globalisation, oneness hole into the communism and socialism of centralised supermarkets, shopping centres, fruit shops, etc, etc, where they all take and take and take and take and take and take and take and take and take and take and take.................. for a WHOLE LIFE-TIME AND ARE DOING NOTHING TO PUT EVERYTHING BACK TEN TIMES WHAT THEY HAVE TAKEN.

What are you doing Kenny to start putting back ten times the forests, mountains, rocks, soils, creatures. destroyed children, etc, etc required for you as the consumer of electric guitars, amps, and everything else you take for granted while being a deeply brainwashed slave (consumer) of "The System" lusting for those good warm feelings of FREE-DUMB you love so much??????

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Jaba Art

Kenny St Pierre your opinion about what can be killed and what not has no limit and is the same then this psychopaths ... There is no difference ... because you aloud yourself to be the judge over LIFE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0WDCYcUJ4o
END WAR: Madeleine Albright Says Deaths Of 500,000 Iraqi...

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Kenny St Pierre

"This is why we created a food forest vege garden so that we are directly and fully responsible to put back everything we take of tomatoes, etc, into the garden by collecting their seeds, etc, and spreading them out into the wider communities, etc, so we are giving out/back ten times what we are taking from the garden."........

So what your telling me is it's okay to "murder" the vegetation just as long as you replace it 10 times over. Wouldn't that be like the thief who justifies stealing $10 from another man's wallet because he replaced it a year later with $100? So "murder" is okay with you just as long as what's murdered is replaced by 10 new lives. It all makes perfect sense.

Yesterday at 03:55

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Arthur Cristian

Kindom is all about completely withdrawing from supporting harm in all its nefarious forms in this life. Creating large food forests very quickly gets rid of connections with petroleum, oil, pollution, transport, shopping centres, paper, plastic, junk, chemicals/poisons/toxins, private corporations, government, police, banking/commerce, etc etc.

Directly collecting the seeds, while some plants self-germinate, etc, allows us to stop supporting destruction to nature elsewhere. Now we are taking full-responsibility at a local level where we fully put everything back that we've taken + so much more. .

A vast part of the Western World Population do not do this - they act just as one way consumers with all their one-way by products going to massive garbage tips or goes towards polluting oceans, rivers, land, etc.

Then with Kindom, it's all about becoming 100% raw-living food eaters, training the body to live directly from the food forests while learning to completely wean off gas, electricity, etc. Down to minus 8 degrees, we have lived through 8 winters now without heating and without air conditioning through 35+ summer temperatures. This last winter was the coldest since we lived out here and we found it quite easy living without fires, gas-heating, etc.

As we progress on the Kindom path, our lives become simpler and simpler until we are no longer dependent on anything outside of the food forest where we live. We no longer live off brainwashed children turned into educated slaves. Walking away from "The System" is walking away from slavery. If we do not want to give up electricity, gas, commerce, industrialisation, etc, etc, we are left with dependency on a slave system with no way out from it in this life.

Once we reach no dependency with "The System" "stage" and as this gradual transition from supporting harm/murder/slavery/etc fades away, we continue to expand on weaning our bodies off more and more of whatever we continue doing harm to.

Without such a determined intent in this life, there is no way we can stop the murder of natural life in this life.

To us, its the intent of actually departing from "The System" of harm doing in this life where its at.

Do you not want us to do this Kenny?

Do you want us to continue supporting slavery and particularly the brainwashing of innocent children to be turned into slaves who work to provide all the murder based consumer services for those who live ONLY for a slave system of murder????

To us, we act with full responsibility to be seen to be doing something powerful to end the murderous slave system in this life.

Once we've gotten rid of the Freemasonic/Satanic world in this life, The System" will fade away quickly never to be reborn again under another guise and those of us who remain can get on with healing all the damage done to earth/nature and our real lives, all of which have compromised us severely.

Sadly, as innocent babies/children, none of us were provided with idiot friendly full disclosure as to what would become of our real-lives being raised in "The System" under a, b, c, 1, 2, 3.

Now that we have finally woken up from the deep sleep, we are no longer passing the buck and blaming anyone or remaining attached to any of the good bits of "The System". We are going about co-creating Kindom in this life without getting murdered along the way.

In front of us, sooner rather than later, comes the moment when we completely unplug from the internet, telecommunication, electricity, etc, and when that happens, you will never hear from us again Kenny.

At that stage we can rest peacefully sensing that we've done everything possible to help others wake up and get on with doing what we are doing IN THIS LIFE. May thousands pull out before it is too late IN THIS LIFE.

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Kenny St Pierre

"Then with Kindom, it's all about becoming 100% raw-living food eaters, training the body to live directly from the food forests while learning to completely wean off gas, electricity, etc. Down to minus 8 degrees, we have lived through 8 winters now without heating and without air conditioning through 35+ summer temperatures.

This last winter was the coldest since we lived out here and we found it quite easy living without fires, gas-heating, etc."..........If what you say is true I think that is AWESOME!.....................

"Do you not want us to do this Kenny?

Do you want us to continue supporting slavery and particularly the brainwashing of innocent children to be turned into slaves who work to provide all the murder based consumer services for those who live ONLY for a slave system of murder????"..........

No, I don't want you to support a slave system. And yes, I want peace, freedom, and happiness on this planet too. I'd much rather converse with you and see great works of progress from the people of Love For Life, than the BS that the system sells me/us.

My only disagreement is in what you believe constitutes "murder" and how you use the word when comparing children to things like grass and trees......................

I'll always commend the good work you people are doing.

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Jaba Art

No beLIEve here Kenny St Pierre!!! Only fact!!! you can disagree but then you proof that you are more attached to THE SYSTEM (DEAD) than KINDOM (LIFE) if this is your choice let us KNOW! Can you stay on facts and stop making things personal??? Can you do this? No one is attacking you! But you seam to search disagreement and create conflict! Can you be clear with your intention what you choose??? CHAOS, CONFLICT??? Or questioning ans scrutiny without judgment and harm???

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Arthur Cristian

It's not murder Kenny - it is an equal exchange in substance, of unconditional love, totally rooted in respect and caring for all living things. Plants willingly gift their fruits of life to all types of creatures and "cyclic environments" which feeds the animals of life and feeds the life of nature, humus, top-soil, with their gifted life, etc, and this love for life spreading natures seeds allows plants to thrive again and again and again forevermore.

How many people do you know supporting the annihilation of mountains, hillsides, forests, rivers, plains, etc, etc, to gain access to materials that become the dead-corpse prosthetic products they buy and use as consumers in "The System" , go out of their way to heal all the damage done to these mountains, forests, valleys, etc, where they derived their prosthetics from????

Have you gone in and repaired all the damage, to give back what you had taken for your electric guitars, amps, cars, tv, computers, etc, etc??? ? Or is it just one way traffic??

If this discussion is to appease your conscience in some way, to have you experience the e-motions of warm, good feelings then we are not the "right" people for you to procure such an experience from bro.

It seems you are trying to create a guilt trip with those who breathe air and pollen and eat fruits, veges, seeds, nuts, herbs, etc, by calling this murder. LOLLLLL There is NO TYRANNY OF GOODNESS BEHIND Kindom/Do No Harm Community ways of life Kenny. And sadly, the Tyranny Of Goodness is "The System" ways of life which hundreds of millions follow and worship.

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Kenny St Pierre

“It seems you are trying to create a guilt trip with those who breathe air and pollen and eat fruits, veges, seeds, nuts, herbs, etc, by calling this murder.”.....

HUH?! …”I” called it MURDER?.....................................

These were your words Arthur Cristian…”

I love you forest but I am destroying you! I am a MAN of love, peace and do no harm,”… AND…. “Who/What gave you the authority/rights to disregard the naturally living consciousness/life of the tree, mountains, undisturbed soils and rocks, etc, so you can murder/destroy them?...”
YOU are the one who used the terms “destruction and murder”- NOT ME!..

Let me ask, if it’s natural for beavers to cut down trees and use the wood to make a dam, then why would it be any less natural for man to cut down trees and use them to build a home or dam?

How is it that when beavers do it no one considers it “murder or destruction”, yet when a human does it it’s a crime?

If the human is using the wood to build a natural habitat just as the beaver, then when does it become criminal activity for the man but not the animal? Or is it a question of some people rationalizing their beliefs about what’s morally right or wrong for men? When did Mother Nature ever complain to a human or beaver about the cutting down of her trees?

When did she ever call it “murder or destruction”, been threatened by it, or proclaim harm? ...................

It appears you are doing nature’s thinking and arguing for her without a legitimate argument. When beavers build a dam why is it I hear no complaints from you or others that the eco-system pond their making is Freemasonry and Satanic, but as soon as a human uses the same wood for similar purposes it suddenly becomes a system of Satanism, evil, destruction and murder?..............

And what about the birds who take twigs and mud to build a nest, is that destructive to nature or is it natural? What about the materials bees and wasp use to create their nest? Do they too have evil intent and are part of the world of Freemasonry?

And the bees and wasp shape their nest into multiple hexagonal cavities – who taught them that - Freemasons? Did they borrow the Freemason’s ruler and square too to do their building?

Why isn’t anyone complaining that the bee’s hexagonal constructions are the works and symbolism of Freemasonry?................

Are you aware that when beavers build a dam it benefits other wildlife too?

Ducks can build nests and lay their eggs. Cranes can catch fish. And others find protection in the pond’s deeper waters from grizzly bears. In other words they create a system which benefits many others beside themselves without any ill intent, nor are they labeled Satanist or Freemasons by the other animals.

There is no paranoia about murder, evil, or Satanic systems in the animal world.

The other animals don’t bellow their disapproval of the beaver’s tree chopping and proclaim them murderers, or chastise them for their “destruction.”.........................

Only man’s past experiences with bad, ill-intent systems lead him to believe that all other systems would be bad, murderous, and evil. It is such fear which leads to irrational behavior and thinking......................

Termites, prairie dogs, spiders, and men are all natural builders and use nature’s materials. When any of us build things from the natural materials it is not murder or evil, unless in some way man, via his inventions, harms himself, plants, animals, and environment.

Only then should the subject of system decay and harm be an issue of discussion and a remedy worked out. God or Satan has nothing to do with any of it. It’s only when man crosses the line with his ideas and causes harm to the natural surroundings that we should become concerned and take action....................................

I agree with you when man has gone too far and destroys nature, via fossil fuels and other harmful scientific constructs, but not when chopping down trees or gather stones. I'm sorry!

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Jaba Art

Kenny St Pierre did you look into Love for Life work??? Are you here to contribute to Kindom or creating confusion and arguing??? You still did not clear your intention but you ask others to perform the babysitter to comprehend things! Making false claims and presumptions instead to stick on the fact! Can you clear your intention for this group and Kindom? Can you do this???

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Arthur Cristian

What we and Jaba have written/shared in this thread and in many other threads continues being completely taken out of context. The big Kindom picture shared here by us is ignored and is being blatantly twisted for the sake of arguing and creating controversy.

Kenny's analogies of what nature does naturally to maintain the perfection of the dream of life, all of which requires no education from "system-thought-man/woman to do what they do instinctively, has absolutely no relevance to the deeply brainwashed and traumatised children who grow up as the Kenny's who live for "The System", who rely on constant destruction and murder of living-nature to live "system-lives" and who are clearly admitting to be surviving their bondage with "The System" at all costs.

Kenny, relies ONLY on the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 brainwashing he's received over many many years, to justify his "system lifestyles and views" and uses ONLY a. b, c, 1, 2, 3 and all con-structs/con-cepts derived from a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 to covet al of nature under the image power of what can ONLY come from the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3. 3rd party storytelling.

Kenny, is coveting the whole of nature under his image power, acting as the official 1st party authorised re-presentative of all of nature/earth/creation.

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3rd party commentary, claimed expert or not, is NOT proof of fact Kenny.

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This is a Kindom group Kenny, for those committed to Kindom. You knew this from the beginning when you got involved in this group. You were provided with full-disclosure from the beginning as to what this Kindom group is all about.

You have free will so enjoy using it over the net and elsewhere, pursuing your interests as they are not here to be found. for your pleasure. We are NOT interested in staying in "The System" for the rest of our lives. We have no more spare waking life to entertain you further with this non-sense you offer. We wish you all the best in navigating out of "The System" of slavery, not that you show any interest in doing so. :) (Y) - We are removing you from this Kindom group and blocking you from Facebook and YouTube. <3 :) (Y)

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Arthur Cristian

What Kenny has not yet fully comprehended is this........... the consciousness of MAN IS the water of MAN'S breath. The consciousness of MAN IS the whole of nature/earth/creation that we all directly experience with our senses, and everything that lives of untampered nature springs out of MAN'S consciousness........... the soil, the rocks, the minerals, the hillsides, the mountains, the valleys, the forests, the streams, the rivers, the creatures/insects, the sunlight, the wind, the air, the celestial bodies, etc, etc, and MAN.

What Kenny does not yet want to see/sense, because if he did he would be taking FULL-RESPONSIBILITY to stop the murder/harm-doing, is this.................

Harm to Nature/Earth/Creation is the direct sensory experience of harm to MAN'S CONSCIOUSNESS.

Harm a tree and we are destroying our lungs and chopping off our arms and legs.

Harm the animals and we are destroying our real lives.

Harm the air and water and we are destroying our living sensory consciousness.

Harm the forests, rivers, valleys, mountainsides, etc, and we are destroying our real living home.

Create fake prosthetics/con-structs/con-cepts and we are completely destroying our real existence.

etc,

etc,

etc,

etc,

etc.....

When we really wake up from the Satanic/Freemasonic inspired deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, sleep, we refuse to ever again harm anything of nature/earth/creation/MAN.

Kindom is this mass withdrawal from supporting murder/harm to MAN'S consciousness IN THIS LIFE.

Those who join Kindom do not want to commit spiritual suicide IN THIS LIFE and do not want to condone, support or create spiritual suicide in others of MAN IN THIS LIFE.

Watch out for the Kennys because, if you have any doubt or uncertainty still lingering in and of you, you will most definitely be led towards committing spiritual suicide IN THIS LIFE.

Across the Freemasonic/Satanic recorded ages, for centuries, we have had tens of thousands of Freemasons/Satanists coming and going, on the surface appearing to be "GOOD" people who have families they love, who appear to be doing "good" on the surface, BUT in fact are the "GOOD" smart-arse Pied Pipers acting as the so called "GOOD" politicians, judges, barristers, lawyers, priests, monks, actors, artists, big business representatives, bureaucrats, public servants, experts, educators, professors, scientists and new age leaders/thinkers. They are the influencers over "public thinking" and the intel operatives acting as freedom-truthers exposing lies and corruption from amongst their "brethrens" age-old scams. They have led all their "GOOD" hearted victims through all the generations since this "We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us" scamming began, collectively leading all of MAN to the current collective "psycho-state" of lemmings looking over the precipice, ready to jump down into this man-made black-hole abyss of lies into total annihilation IN THIS LIFE.

This is what Kenny offers.

You shall know them by their fruits.

THE GREATEST LIES AND LIARS ARE THE ONES CLOSEST TO THE TRUTH - THEY CAUSE THE GREATEST DAMAGE OF ALL AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE DUPED HAVE LEARNT TO TRUST THEM, THE PIED PIPERS.

WATCH OUT FOR WHAT YOU DREAM (THINK).

IF THEY CAN GET YOU TO THINK WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK AND GET YOU TO GIVE LIFE TO THEIR DREAMS, YOU WILL CREATE THAT. SLAVES WILLINGLY CREATE A WORLD IN THEIR MASTER'S IMAGE WITHOUT REALISING, IN THIS CASE THEIR WORLD IS ETERNAL DEATH IN THIS LIFE.

In other lives we would have cut their throats and killed them to be the protection of "community immunity". In this life, we are completely outsmarting them because we've learnt that their soul/consciousness is already on the path of death so there is no need to "physically kill what is already dying. They are already doing a great job for the living - why interfere?

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12 mins ago 25th September 2015 2.34pm

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Illusion Of Freedom

2nd October 2015

Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

Everything we complain about that we see wrong in "The System", no matter what the issue or point of view may be, is just another example of us already having defaulted to the lie of false freedom because we are arguing from a place where we have no freedom about something where there is no freedom. https://youtu.be/hx7qJ7r2OS4

There is NOTHING in and of "The System" that is going to fix this because there is no freedom there. The freedom being argued for is an illusion.

We only argue because we don't have freedom and, while we are not free and still reliant on "The System", we are all fully responsible for everything we complain about because it is what we do that is the no freedom that we are. We sold out on freedom long ago. When we make our beds in "The System", we cannot expect to find freedom, no matter how deep we dig, thinking that there is something magical there that is going to set us free.

When people argue about "The System", whose argument is it?

We can only argue about "The System" because we have been educated, instructed, explained and suggested to about "The System" where the argument is derived from. Everything of "The System" that we dredge up as a remedy to "The System" can only be "The System", the same rubbish that we are complaining about that we have been educated into.

There is no remedy in any of this. You will never find freedom, what you will find is FREEDUMB!

There is no remedy to be found in "The System", including "System Thought". To be educated, instructed, explained and suggested to about anything is to also be without remedy. The brainwashing that has led to MAN'S fallen "state" is still currently far beyond the comprehension of almost everyone relying on "system thought" (a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 and every word/meaning derived from them) to deal with the issues of "The System". The remedy can only be found/sensed outside "The System", outside "system thought".

Relying on "The System"/"System Thought" only keeps you trapped in "The System" which is what Mark Passio, Texe Mars, Jordan Maxwell, David Icke, Santos Bonnaci, Michael Tellinger, Michael Tsarion, etc, etc, (thousands of blatant liars / intel operatives), are doing to anyone who believes in their bullshit - they all remain trapped in "The System" with no way out.

In reference to this image: https://scontent.fbne1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11951094_86... Joan McIntyre wrote the following: "And 'Corporate Police' brown nose 'Stockholm Syndrome' suffering suckers wonder in their stupidity why I loath and detest cops?!? 'Egotistical, Delusional, Self - Righteous Pigs!' Especially in reference to the 'VICTORIA POLICE PTY LTD'. Look. I have a fake illegitimate badge that has a 'Satanic/Luciferian' inverted pentagram. That's something to be really proud of. Isn't it??? "Oh. I was only doing my job!" Sorry. 'Doing my job' won't cut it you freemasonic criminal maggot parasites!!!! The classic 'Nuremberg Trials' defence. It never worked for the 'Nazi Officers'. I would not trade anything to be in their place, because 'God' is going to take the trash out! 'REVELATION 21 : 8'. "But as for the COWARDLY, the faithless, the CORRUPT, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all LIARS, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death." — with Joan McIntyre."

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Another example of this scam..........

It is so easy for us to get lulled into thinking that we are getting freedom when we strive for sustainability. They are not the same. Just about all sustainable projects going on are NOT free because they are all still tied deeply to "The System" and because they are not confronting the trauma that keeps us tied to "The System". All the eco-projects going on are part of the Tyranny of Goodness leading us towards the New World Order because they fit the mould of consciousness, oneness, environmentally friendly, feel good thinking that is the carrot being dangled in front of us all as the alternative to the horrors of "The System" that are becoming more and more apparent. The only path to a true living freedom is to confront all the traumas that keep us bonded to "The System" so that we can freely and fully walk away from "The System", back to living in nature, co-creating lives of freedom, truth, joy, peace, abundance and do no harm, IN THIS LIFE. http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8544

This is the Cooper family, http://www.limestonepermaculture.com/#!about-us/c1vku they've been around for 6 years or so doing this Limestone project. They are heavily "system" orientated but we love what they are doing on the land producing food, etc. The thing to remember here is Permaculture is a CULT these days and the whole "feel good" vibe around it misleads the unwitting into believing there is total freedom there when in fact they are all still heavily in "The System" with no way of confronting the trauma at its core so they can get out of "The System" in this life never to return. There is NO Kindom here, not that they are claiming there is. By saying it's a cult means that the cult of "The System" has been brought into growing food and sustainability etc. There is no denigration of the Cooper family going on here - just pointing out the bleeding obvious - derived from the contrast between "system" permaculture (cult = bondage to "The System" of trauma) and Kindom ( no cult).

Annie Windemere wrote: "Wish ppl could just ask the question -- why we pay to live?

We replied: Because when we were so young, others cultivated us into selling out our magnificence and therefore making us fully dependent on others telling us who we are, what we are part of, how we should live, what is right or wrong, how to think, feel and act, etc, etc. We went from full-responsibility creating the life of the MAN we are dreaming for to limited responsibility This is why fallen-MAN pays to live. There is no other reason why. We don't know how to create who we really are. The Love For Life insights and the Kindom dream we live/stand/dream for is all about fixing this nightmare in this life. If we don't break free of this, we will always be paying to live, whether with commerce or labour or through quotas, etc. While we rely on others, we will always be sucking off the land barons, landlords, kings, queens, Pharaohs, priests, "oneness federations", etc, etc, and always be paying. We pay with our lives by selling out

Have a look at this Love For Life post from October 2014 which goes into the psyop programming of permaculture and sustainability.

The Psyop Program Behind Free Food
And Permaculture

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
29th October 2014
Facebook discussion with Unconditional Love Moon
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8544

The Cristian Family November 2006

Why We Pay To Live

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10207798800276036

2nd October 2015

Annie wrote:

wish ppl could just ask the question --why we pay to live?

Link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918/permalink/1518299628461...

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We replied: Arthur Cristian

Because when we were so young, others cultivated us into selling out our magnificence and therefore making us fully dependent on others telling us who we are, what we are part of, how we should live, what is right or wrong, how to think, feel and act, etc, etc. We went from full-responsibility creating the life of the MAN we are dreaming for to limited responsibility. This is why fallen-MAN pays to live. There is no other reason why. We don't know how to create who we really are. The Love For Life insights and the Kindom dream we live/stand/dream for is all about fixing this nightmare in this life. If we don't break free of this, we will always be paying to live, whether with commerce or labour or through quotas, etc. While we rely on others, we will always be sucking off the land barons, landlords, kings, queens, Pharaohs, priests, "oneness federations", etc, etc, and always be paying. We pay with our lives by selling out.

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11th October 2015

For your interest (copy/paste FB PM)....

This is Fiona and Arthur writing here.

Working with lies is NOT changing anyones "mind-set" (sanitised). UBUNTU does NOTHING to address the trauma. Maybe you should ask Scott just how deep the trauma shit goes as he is currently discovering since he arrived here to stay with us. Maybe you could also have a chat with Hannah and learn how 4 years of living with us has ONLY just now begun to bring the real deeper issues to the surface. Her superficiality is only just now starting to crack and that's after living with full on, intense, in your face, nowhere to hide, Fiona and Arthur Cristian. The deep trauma based resistance is beyond most peoples present comprehension (this is NOT a joke). UBUNTU does fuck all to address the black magic power-based stronghold over the thinking of the duped who believe in the super-fast-food short-cuts of Thrive, Ubuntu, One Earth, One Nation, Zeitgeist, etc, etc, have on offer. If you really want to experience a living-man-made-hell come over here and stay with us for 6 months minimum. After then, do please tell all of us here if UBUNTU, etc, can help fix the real and only issue going on.

The Cristian Family November 2006

Allah And Islam Is NOT To Blame

27th September 2015

Are we all for MANS continued enslavement to "The System" or are we all for MANS true freedom? If you really want true freedom in this life, then all 3rd party education, instructions, suggestions, explanations must immediately stop because it is here where all innocent children are turned into the greatest deceivers of all, liars who end up doing immense harm and destruction to the whole of MANS dream of MAN'S life.

There is no escaping this fact/reality.

There is no way around it to avoid it.

Turning a blind eye to this horror is not going to make this living, make-believe hell of slavery go away. We are now so close to producing a generation that will commit spiritual suicide to the whole of the dream of MANS life all across Earth. This collective suicide is now unfolding before our very eyes. We are all fully responsible for this and we are the ONLY ones who can fix it in this life before it is too late.

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10207725580005575

The above comment is our last post to a private Facebook chat that started up a few days ago where we were tagged/invited with another 22 people to join in. Below are our replies to a whole lot of blame the Vatican, Islam and Allah posts which are all below our replies....

Arthur Cristian

Can You Spot The Ego?
Where's Wally?

Compilation of Facebook & Youtube
Insight Posts During August/September 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8573

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Arthur Cristian

Allah is part of Satan's dreaming but is NOT Satan.

Propaganda does not make Allah Satan.

Allah comes out of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 - without read and write alphabet languages the 3rd party storytelling of Allah would not be/exist. Same with Jesus, God, English, commerce, system science, education, Australia, England, America, Greek, Christian, Jews, Punk, Rocker, Classical Music, Facebook, Internet, Media, Hollywood, Telecommunication, Engineering, Technology, etc, etc..

Allah is of "The System" - "The System" is NOT Allah.

The Quran is "The System" under another guise.

The inventor of the 3rd party suggestions, explanations, instructions, education with what you sense (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) directly of nature/earth/creation/celestial bodies/MAN etc, IS Satan = The Grand Architect Of Deception.

Did the sensory life-form (plant) tell you directly that it is a daffodil, is yellow and provided you with scientific explanation or did another man/woman put all that NON-SENSE information in your head.

Which One?

Bring forward any sensory life form to back the claims of anything attached to it through 3rd party (man/woman) explanations...... Lets hear it directly from the tongue of the sensory life form and NOT from a liar coming forward, a man/woman acting as an impostor/expert-commentator of the sensory life-form.

The WHOLE of your FAKE life raised up in "The System" of 3rd party suggestions is MAKE-BELIEVE STORYTELLING - just because you believe in the brainwashing you use to explain what you SENSE (see/touch/taste/feel/smell/hear/see) IS NOT PROOF FACT.

The Deception goes much, much, much, much, much, much, deeper than the figment of your current deeply fucked up imagination. Bring forward Allah as the first party to back your claims - lets hear it directly from the tongue of Allah while Allah is before us, while we are fully sensing (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) the presence of Allah's Life.

Can you arrange this?

Please do not not tell us that you can't do this because then you are committing fraud through an elaborate scheme of deceptions. = LIAR.
Without Allah the first party coming forward it would not matter what you write/say about Allah because it will be seen as total fucking BULLSHIT (3rd party storytelling).

BELIEF (STORYTELLING) IS NOT PROOF OF FACT.

Fuck off and stop lying you idiot. You are deeply dangerous to innocent children exposed to your chronic lying.

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Arthur Cristian
23:08
Arthur Cristian

The great deceiver is MAN lying to MAN.

Prove otherwise fuckwit.

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23:10

Who are you directing your language towards?

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Arthur Cristian
23:12
Arthur Cristian

The idiot promoting the Freemasonic/Satanic Psyop Programming Of Allah.

This shit is nasty nasty nasty nefarious propaganda.

It ONLY offers trauma and NOTHING else.

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23:13

Was Islam created by the Vatican?

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Arthur Cristian
23:13
Arthur Cristian

It was created by MAN

The Vatican does not exist, ONLY MAN exists.

Actors are MAN.

Islam does not exist.

Lets go and talk to Islam. LOLLLLLLLLLLLL

Lets go and talk to the Vatican. LOLLLLL

Lets go and talk to a Jew or a Christian. LOLLLLLLL

Brainwashing is NOT proof of fact.

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23:15
When you speak with a Moslem you speak to Islam

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Arthur Cristian
23:16
Arthur Cristian

You speak to the brainwashed deeply traumatised by 3rd party explanation, instruction, education, suggestion.

Prove Otherwise.

Where can millions of innocent children not exposed to "The System" with all its 3rd party storytelling bullshit go anywhere in nature to learn about Islam, Muslim, Christian, a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, etc, etc, without another man/woman already deeply brainwashed (got at) having to explain it all to them???????

It is MAN, all of us collectively raised up in "The System" acting as the great deceiver. We are the ONLY first parties coming forward. Nothing else of the bullshit is there.

Where are the ancestors of Islam, Allah, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Vatican's, etc, etc, buried?????

Where are the children of Islam, Allah, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Vatican's, etc, etc, playing ?????

What of nature needs Islam, Allah, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Vatican's, etc, etc, to exist so they may exist?????

What does Islam, Allah, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Vatican's, etc, etc, do for nature that aids nature in rolling along here and now?????

What is the address of Islam, Allah, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Vatican's, etc, etc, so we can visit Islam, Allah, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Vatican's, etc, etc, and sit under a shady tree having a bite to eat, a drink and many a laugh????
What came first the innocent child or the brainwashing of Islam, Allah, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Vatican's, etc, etc????

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23:24

Epic conversation with Jordan Maxwell
On The Amazing Hidden Meanings
Of Everyday Words!

https://youtu.be/ZnqIew8vs2w

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Arthur Cristian
23:29
Arthur Cristian

Jordan Maxwell is a full on Freemasonic/Satanic Intel Operative Of the worst kind. He peddles 3rd party storytelling bullshit. Jordan knows us very well as we do with him and for many years now he won't come anywhere near us to have a live recorded chat because he knows we ask all the "right" questions from the outset.

They ALL run from us, thousands of them these days. They can't climb our mountain because to do so and generally speaking, it will be their END. We are now the greatest obstacle to the Freemasons/Satanists and all the loony tuned intel operatives trying to collectively pull off the NWO through 3rd party storytelling non-sense.

Without the first parties THERE IS NOTHING BUT LIES AND LIARS BEFORE US. Prove otherwise. .

If you really want to wake up and get out of this man-made hell that is "The System" of lying and deception in this life, start at the top of the home page of the Love For Life website and slowly scroll down from there reading and watching everything including links: http://loveforlife.com.au

These are the latest Love For Life videos, Dancing With Magic Parts One To Four - Parts Five, Six, etc, are coming shortly. The Love For Life work is all about completely deprogramming from the bullshit of non -sense and returning to SENSE, to direct sensory experience with nature, MANS living Consciousness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx7qJ7r2OS4
Dancing With Magic (Lies) Part One Arthur & Fiona Cristian Love For Life
Dancing With Magic Part One shows how we have all been mesmerised and enchanted into giving "The System" our life force energy when, to do so, means the death...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_KuEFdKmnA
Dancing With Magic (Lies) Part Two Arthur Cristian Love For Life
Dancing With Magic Part Two continues to expand on some of the themes touched on in Dancing With Magic Part One. It shows how we have all been mesmerised and...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pJc1NfnAcI
Dancing With Magic (Lies) Part Three Arthur And Fiona Cristian
Dancing With Magic Part 3 is about the apathy and denial in our thinking and our e-motional reactions to these non-sense thoughts that fuel the e-go so that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSVURGwm1Go
Dancing With Magic (Lies) Part Four Arthur And Fiona Cristian
In Dancing With Magic Part Four, we delve even more deeply into apathy and denial and how we fight to maintain the farce of our e-go personas so that many of...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SspPm9wRgo
Introduction To Kindom Arthur & Fiona Cristian Love For Life
This video is an introduction to Kindom, showing the steps that are necessary if we are to create the lives of freedom that we dream of. The Love For Life wo...

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Arthur Cristian
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Arthur Cristian

"The System" is SLAVERY.

Islam is "The System"

Christianity IS "The System"

America IS "The System"

The Vatican IS "The System"

God IS "The System"

Freemason/Satanists (Pied Pipers/Fishermen) use very clever cointel "good guy" & "bad guy" psyop programming scams to con the duped to go from one version of "The System" to another without ever leaving "The System". NOTHING ELSE IS GOING ON. The "Good Guys" are of "The System" and the "Bad Guys" are of "The System". Either way they ONLY offer "The System" of slavery because THEY ALL MADE THEIR BEDS IN "THE SYSTEM" and therefore the whole of their lives and everything they live/stand for defaults to "The System" too. And all the duped rats who follow them are also defaulting the whole of their lives to "The System" too.

THE ONLY REMEDY IS NO MAN-MADE "SYSTEM".

The point is, no matter the reasons, to promote Islam, Christianity, Oneness, Australia, Vatican, Illuminati, UFO'S, Aliens, Galactic Federation, Jew, Jesus, God, etc, etc, including a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, is to promote SLAVERY. Nothing else is on offer.

Are we all for MANS continued enslavement to "The System" or are we all for MANS true freedom. If you really want true freedom in this life, then all 3rd party education, instructions, suggestions, explanations must immediately stop because it is here where all innocent children are turned into the greatest deceivers of all, liars who end up doing immense harm and destruction to the whole of MANS dream of MAN'S life. There is no escaping this fact/reality.

There is no way around it to avoid it. Turning a blind eye to this horror is not going to make this living make-believe hell of slavery go away. We are now so close to producing a generation that will commit spiritual suicide to the whole of the dream of MANS life all across Earth. This collective suicide is now unfolding before our very eyes. We are all fully responsible for this and we are the ONLY ones who can fix it in this life before it is too late.

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Brazil rejects new Israeli envoy for being settler leader - The Palestinian Information Center

Israeli sources disclosed that Brazilian president Dilma Rousseff had rejected Israeli envoy Dani Dayan as ambassador to Brazil due to being settler leader.

http://english.palinfo.com/site/pages/details.aspx?itemid=73692#.Vf8NP9V...

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21/09/2015 18:22

Smugglers to test new team

A new wave of boats filled with asylum-seekers will test the resolve­ of Malcolm Turnbull’s government team. Australia’s intelligence agencies understand the highly developed people-smuggling industry is readying to test the new Prime Minister.

Jeffery Bond - The first boats are being organized.
A.U. - You wait, Turnbull will let them all in. More tsunami's of these pathetic vermin filth! That's all we need.

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Monday

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21/09/2015 21:50

We will have see what happens (Sanitised 3)

The Jews want the Christians and Muslims to wipe themselves out. Then the Jews will relish in a Jewish new world order. With more room for them

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https://scontent.fadl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t34.0-12/12023270_...

https://scontent.fadl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t34.0-12/12030844_...

666 The Mark of the Beast of Revelation... coming out of the waters of humanity ... The State of Israel

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21/09/2015 22:08

Warring with the arch enemy, Islam. All of em cunts
Theyre ALL so fucking DUMB they've forgotten they ALL come from Abraham.
They deserve to annihilate each other. So fucking stupid

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I've seen a couple of interesting doco lectures about how the Vatican created Islam

Divide and conquer... keep goyim swiveling so the elite royals can rule with no real threat

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yep; walter veith 4 one (Sanitised 1)

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https://www.facebook.com/wearewildness/photos/a.413926345340091.93060.30...

What do you think of this? :)

"The artist's peaceful method of fending off gas production is a basic right as well established in his field -- copyright -- as the legal underpinnings of Alberta's energy industry.

He accepts that he only owns the surface of his land. The buried treasure belongs to the provincial government. It has rights to sell the resources and make him let companies onto his property to extract them, so long as he is compensated for the disturbance.

Von Tiesenhausen also accepts that government and industry will enforce their rights in firm belief -- supported by courts and regulatory agencies -- that they represent collective good which outweighs inconvenience to individuals.

He learned industrial realities in 14 years as a heavy equipment operator before he turned professional artist in 1990. He worked on oilfield well sites and construction projects from northern Alberta to Antarctica, disrupting natural features from forests to penguin colonies.

"I've cut down thousands of trees with bulldozers," he confessed, adding, "It never felt right, that abuse of the land.

"I realized it was not sustainable. Now I paint."

As an income source "it's not nearly what cat-skinning (Caterpillar equipment operating) was, but it's not something I would ever trade back. There's no way I'm going back."

To fortify his changed livelihood on his family legacy, he has copyrighted his spread as a work of art. The action mimics strong legal foundations of pharmaceutical, computer software and publishing corporations, he pointed out.

Around his home and studio, his property is studded with artwork such as a 33-metre-long ship sculpted with willow stalks, winter ice forms, nest-like structures in trees, statuesque towers and a "lifeline" or visual autobiography composed as a white picket fence built in annual sections left to weather naturally.

His legal move vastly increased the amount of compensation he is potentially entitled to demand from any oil or pipeline company wanting access to his place, because changing his property would be copyright infringement.

"Now instead of maybe $200 a year for crop losses, we'd have to be paid for maybe $600,000 or more in artistic property disturbance."

Lawsuits have been threatened several times,. But no oil and gas companies have risked a winner-take-all court case that would attract public attention and start other landowners thinking.

Making the copyright claim stick has been a moral boost for the artist and his family. "It gave us the confidence to say this is as legitimate an undertaking as the industry.

"We can empower ourselves. We can defend ourselves. We're running a business."

Von Tiesenhausen emphasizes his message in the language of corporations -- money. Taking a page from the books of business consultants, he demands $500 an hour from companies that want to take up his time talking to him about his land. "I demand $500 an hour. They pay. It keeps the meetings really short and they don't do it nearly as often as they used to," the artist said.

"I meet presidents of oil companies. I show them I'm a guy trying to make a go of something that's honest and valid. It's what they understand.""

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(Sanitised 7)

saw it a couple of years back or so. seems like a good idea to me

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(Sanitised 1)

Four Horsemen, Official Trailer

A definite eye-opening Documentary.. Not just one person talking about subjects that matter, But a whole group of experts in their field, Watch and share people, It won't make you less smarter.. For the full video check this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoB1eCJ93k

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(Sanitised 1)

GlaxoSmithKline fined $3bn after bribing doctors to increase drugs sales
Sales reps in the US encouraged to mis-sell antidepressants Paxil and Wellbutrin and asthma treatment Advair

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/jul/03/glaxosmithkline-fined-br...

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(Sanitised 1)

***** MUST WATCH ***** MUST WATCH ***** MUST WATCH *****
I watched it all - 3hours explains a GREAT DEAL
Nazi New World Order | JFK | 911

Real Secret Societies - Diaboli Ordinati Intrepidi

JFK To 9/11
Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyFNsNZhSeg

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Arthur Cristian

There is NO remedy in any of this..........

THE DEEP SLEEP
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
25th September 2015
Link: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8573

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(Sanitised 1)

ALEISTER CROWLEY’S PEDOPHILIAC REVOLUTION
Left push for mainstreaming of pedophilia as elite sex abuse scandals surface
by JON BOWNE | INFOWARS.COM | SEPTEMBER 26, 2015

http://www.infowars.com/aleister-crowleys-pedophiliac-revolution

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Aphasym-Ephesians 6:11
Put on all the armor of יהוה YAHUAH, for you to be able to stand against the strategies of the Devil,
12 For our conflict is not with flesh and blood, but with principalities, and with those in authority, and with the possessors of this dark world, and with the evil spirits that are beneath heaven.

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Qahalath-Ecclesiastes 3:1
To all there is an appointed time, even a time for every purpose under the heavens:
2 a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pull up what is planted;
3 a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to tear down, and a time to build up;
4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 a time to throw away stones, and a time to gather stones; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 a time to seek, and a time to let wander away; a time to keep, and a time to throw away;
7 a time to tear, and a time to sew together; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 a time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
9 What advantage has he who works in that which he did as a laborer?
10 I have seen the task which Aluahym has given to the sons of men, to be humbled by it.
11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also, He has set eternity in their heart, without which man cannot find out the work that Aluahym makes from the beginning even to the end.

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Allah is Satan folks
Make no mistake about it !

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Arthur Cristian

Allah is part of Satan's dreaming but is NOT Satan.
Propaganda does not make Allah Satan.

continued from near top of this thread...............

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Arthur Cristian

There is NO remedy in any of this blaming of Islam and Allah..........

THE DEEP SLEEP
Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
25th September 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8573

The most important action now is that we start fully focusing more and more on remedy that gets us all out of "The System" of an induced deep, deep, deep, sleep in this life, and less and less on being caught up with what is going wrong throughout "The System", which really is this Satanic/Freemasonic inspired deep sleep working away on you here and now in this life.

Post after post after post after post after post, news after news after news after news after news, conversation after conversation after conversation after conversation after conversation of everything going wrong IS this deep sleep.

With exposure to TV, Internet, Media, Social Networks, Hollywood, etc, etc, we have all seen the horrors, the desecration, the injustice, the cruelty and every facet of the hell that is "The System" of harm doing, of organised ritual abuse and murder, the deep sleep. But where is the remedy that stops all this, never to return in this life? But that can't happen while everyone is too busy being the deep sleep of the trauma that rules their lives in "The System".

Photo: http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af70/ILoveCasperTheGhost/Deep-Asleep-...

We do not need to keep reminding our real lives of this man-made hell here and now, which we do while we keep posting all this TRAUMA across Facebook and elsewhere.

The TRAUMA IS THE DEEP SLEEP.

Do you not want to really wake up from this deep sleep?

The deep sleep is you not really waking up to co-create a living remedy that gets everyone out of the deep sleep of harm doing in this life, starting with your real life, otherwise it isn't happening.

Surviving away in "The System" with everything that goes on with your life bound to "The System" for whatever it is that you want from it is this deep sleep.

The deep sleep is passing the buck, avoiding taking full-responsibility to be the living remedy that ends the deep sleep in this life.

The deep sleep is the apathy and denial, the lack of confidence, the unwillingness to let go of "The System", the powerlessness, the hopelessness, the emptiness, the greed, selfishness, jealousy, rage, criticism, abuse, ridicule, etc, etc, all the trauma indulgement that we call entertainment, lifestyle, careers, etc, in "The System".

When are you really going to wake up from this deep, deep, deep, traumatic sleep? Can you not see/sense that "The System" and everything going on in it IS the deep sleep. Only those in the deep sleep are in "The System" doing what they do in "The System". But that's not me - I really want to do something - how dare they think that I'm one of those - I've got it all worked out - I've got the Venus Projects, Michael Tellinger, David Icke, Sasha Stone, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Nesara, Russell Brand, Thrive, One Earth, One Nation, The Galactic Federation, Cosmic Oneness Consciousness and many more on my side, a cast of thousands - It's all happening, we are all saved.

Little do they realise that this is still a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, working away at them and that they are still deep asleep, unable to wake up.

This is what we need to move away from so that we are fully focusing more and more on a living everyday practical sense remedy that gets us all out of being deeply compromised to "The System" of murder. We need to be kept fully busy talking about remedy and on what we can do to co-create a do no harm way of life where no man, woman or child is underneath another man, woman or child forevermore.

This means no more a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, no more education, instruction, explanation and suggestion, no more desecration of our children. It is when we desecrate the children that the deep sleep kicks in. We stop them creating their unique, original dreams so they go into a deep sleep because now they are under the image power dream of another MAN and creating fake lives out of that. This is why intel keep making sure we know about all the trauma - it all comes from a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, and none of it comes from nature. We are all those children who continue being deep asleep.

The living remedy, Kindom, means being honest about what is really holding us back from Kindom, from co-creating remedy. We should be circulating and sharing the living dreams that are the living birds, the living fruits of nature, the mountains and the valleys that are all sacred because they have not been corrupted by MAN. This is what we should be working with, not all the abuse that just keeps us deep asleep. All the joy of living is in the abundance and beauty of the living, not in the trauma of the desecrated.

The living is what is sacred which is where all the joy, peace, abundance, truth and happiness is. We cannot be educated into the joy - we have to be it but we have to let go of these demonic a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 desecrated influences to experience it, to be it, to live it, to dream it. It is only out of what is sacred that we are sacred. We cannot be sacred out of what has already been desecrated, which is every man, woman and child who has been educated into a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 and been taught to call it divine and pass it onto everyone else that they send to rack and ruin. The vine of death - we die on the vine of desecration passed through the generations of fallen MAN. Nothing "divine" here.

What is it that we aren't prepared to give up?

What is it that we are holding onto?

Is it the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, that has been educated into us that are the pixels of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 that form the images of trauma?

Is it the fear of realising that we have to let go?

And of what might happen if we do let it all go?

Can You Spot The Ego?
Where's Wally?

Compilation of Facebook & Youtube
Insight Posts During August/September 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8573

Why do we prefer to send all of us to annihilation rather than do what needs to be done to fix all the damage that we are all fully responsible for here and now in this life?

While we continue to focus on the wrongs of "The System", we are continuing to give our attention to the mesmerising pixels of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 spells of "The System" which continue to give the Freemasons/Satanists power, which is the deep sleep working away. You have given up your real, sacred life for the desecration of pixels providing us with fake lives that we have been conned to believe is real. In the Matrix, we are saturated in a pixel world of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, pixel picture upon picture upon picture, trapped into believing that we are alive, able to find something living, our real lives in the pixels. But there is nothing living there. Nothing for our real lives.

This is the education systems, the libraries, the supermarkets, the highways, the entertainment, social media, everything.

On our computer screens we see pictures of pixels forming images of nature and animals but none of it is real, and yet we act as though it is real.

When are you going to wake up? Or do you really want to die like this, never to awaken from the pixels? You wake and go to bed lost in the pixels and you call it your real lives, your reality. The Freemasons/Satanists do not want us to wake up to the spell binding power of the pixels that really is hell.

Why are so many intel shepherds and the deeply traumatised focused on bringing this trauma to our attention all our waking lives, thinking that posting all these traumatic pictures formed out of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, pixels is going to do something, to have real, living power like the sun or the air we breathe, or the bees? Reality check - this is the deep sleep. They do not want us to move away from the trauma. They want us to keep the trauma in our thinking, keep us in a trance state, mesmerised by all the evidence of the hell, continually looking for more evidence and more evidence that "The System" is hell. And we are going to find remedy there? LOLLLLLLL

All the while we are mesmerised we are not creating remedy and they are creating their One World Government remedy for us to walk into while we are still mesmerised by evidence of their hell!

Why are we still allowing them to manipulate us?

All the while we are focusing on the trauma, we are not creating our unique, original dreams. We remain deaf, dumb and blind to our senses, disconnected with the dream of life that we are. All our lives under "The System", we are being force-fed the dreams of others and while we continue to focus on "The System", we are not really waking up.

We are conditioned from the moment we leave our mother's womb, if not earlier, to rely on a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 and, while we continue to focus on all the trauma information, we are still relying on a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 because this is all it is. This is the deep sleep working away on you. The pixels are the drivers licence, the money, the hotels, the electric guitars, the film industry, the music industry, McDonalds, the bottle shops, Big Pharma, etc.

All our complaints and e-motional states are all the deep sleep. All our self-centred worries and insecurities are the deep sleep and while we pamper to the complaints, e-motional states, self-centred worries and insecurities in others, we are helping them to remain deep, deep asleep. We are not helping them to leave the pixel matrix of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3.

If anyone does not fully comprehend what we are saying here, then you will have to put the work in and read these posts and watch the videos provided below.

Living remedy will not fall in our laps. Remedy to the mess we are in requires hard work and a willingness to sacrifice our needs, wants and desires. The hardest work is getting the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, pixels out of your head. If we don't, we have not got rid of the trauma and have not got the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 slave masters out of your head.

You are still deep asleep.

Kindom, anyone?

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Arthur Cristian

Darkness Visible Part One A
The Freemasonic World In Plain Sight
Decoding George Washington Lithographs

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
14th December 2014:
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8557

Darkness Visible Part Five
The Horrific Satanic/Freemasonic
Blood Libel/Letting Rituals
Sacrificing Babies, Children, Teenagers,
Adults And Animals To Capture
Trauma For The Specific Purpose Of
Robot Controlling Their Victims

Fiona Cristian & Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
24th January 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8562

His-Story/Her-Story (History)
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
2005-2007 - Re-posted July 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8529

The Steps Of Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
2006-2007
https://loveforlife.com.au/node/5788

IMAGE POWER
Superb Diamond Range Interviewing
Arthur & Fiona Cristian 4th Feb 2014
https://youtu.be/qFnuuw3kLog

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit Part One
Love For Life Arthur & Fiona Cristian - 27th February 2013
https://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao

Water Is The Life Of MANS Consciousness (Breath) Part One
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 9th February 2013
https://youtu.be/4ze66_33wxM

The "Name" Is The Mark Of The Beast
The Strawman Identifying Your Slave Status
In "The System"

Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
5 th February 2012
https://youtu.be/DdOag66v7uo

The Dream Of Life Part 6 - Under The Spell Of Intellectual Property
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life - 19th April 2012
https://youtu.be/IMK7CkU1ih8

Introduction To Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
6th March 2015
https://youtu.be/7SspPm9wRgo

Love For Life Food Forest Vege Garden
From Bare Dirt To Abundance Part One

8th February 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

Many more Love For Life videos to explore here: https://www.youtube.com/ArthurLoveForLife

The Love For Life Sequential Order of articles, debates, discussions, videos & podcasts can be found on the Love For Life home page and at the bottom of any Love For Life web page. It contains all the information about "name" and many subjects to do with law, etc, particularly in posts from the beginning of 2014 onwards.

Links to all our our articles debates, discussions,
videos & podcasts are listed here
:
https://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

Website: http://loveforlife.com.au

Email: action@loveforlife.com.au

Facebook: https://facebook.com/arthurcristian

Facebook Love For Life Kindom Group
Started Up By Supporters Early 2015

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918

Facebook
Why Aren't We Free Discussion

https://facebook.com/164918753537287

Facebook
Do No Harm Community

https://facebook.com/151811728195925

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Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10207725580005575

The Cristian Family November 2006

Free Energy IS "The System"


Arthur Cristian

29th September 2015

Link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918/1517602515198088

Free Energy IS "The System" but that's ok, we must turn a blind eye to all the extensive brainwashing of millions of innocent children and the massive devastation to nature/earth because hey, it's "The System", which is far far far far far far far far far more important than all that gets harmed/desecrated to have it. Lets all bow down to the almighty God of all Gods, "The System". Hang on, lets blame Allah, the great deceiver.... LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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Mark Jonas

8 hrs

Salt Water Powered Car Gets European Approval – Yes, It’s Real

http://collectivelyconscious.net/articles/salt-water-powered-car-gets-eu...

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Scott Andrews

LOL!!

So where is the remedy?!? Does this not just need another fancy system that continues to make slaves of our children?
Maybe post this in the venus project forums, they may appreciate the push for a new greener system that continues to destroy the living to make the dead.

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Mark Jonas

The remedy is $500 for any car

7 hrs

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Mark Jonas

SHOCK! Police Uses Water Instead of Gas for All Cars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hir9vi68inc

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Mark Jonas

Hydrogen Hybrid Conversion For ANY Vehicle - I'm Saving...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5nld6HzEjM

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Mark Jonas

BIG LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

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Scott Andrews

Still not seeing the remedy here, still just more promotion of a slave system.

7 hrs

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Mark Jonas

Ok, you seem like an intelligent guy. Keep on seeing what you believe

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Scott Andrews

Making claims against this man will do you no good Mark, all you have on offer is bullshit. Show this man the working remedy of what you posted that gets us all out of the system forevermore? Can you do that, or are you just peddling more system non sense here?

Also, can you do this without attempting to create a confrontation with me? This man simply laughed at the non sense and asked you where the remedy was, and so far all you have brought to the table is "The remedy is $500 for any car".

Can you show a working model of how $500 for any car gets man out of the system of slaves?

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Mark Jonas

Man can think..

If not he is an animal acting on basic instincts.

The info and and solution is there.
Non sequitur reasoning is for users ...

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Mark Jonas

I have a number of FB friends in Sydney that have installed and are using the hydrogen conversion kit

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Scott Andrews

Did you ever bother to read the guidelines we wish to stick to with this group?

Love for Life Kindoms Facebook group is a place for everyone to share anything and everything to do with creating kindoms:

- announcements of kindom opportunities

- discussion of Love for Life's Ten Steps to Kindom

- experiences with creating a kindom

- seeking input

- sharing suggestions

- and, most of all, providing inspiration for others to make a choice to create a kindom of their own

- etc.

What do you dream of Mark, system or no system?

Why can you not answer simple questions?

It seems all you wish to do is to try to insult this man for asking you simple questions.

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Arthur Cristian

But whose thoughts are they????
The 3rd party education, instruction, explanation & suggestion used to indoctrinate/brainwash/condition an innocent child are NOT their unique original thoughts.

Men and women thinking what they were trained to think is what turns them into broken in animals = SLAVES.

A "MAN" raised in "The System" is thinking ONLY the program that makes "MAN" a slave Mark Jonas????

The MAN raised up by the 3rd party brainwashing of "The System" is considered Goi/Goy/Animal by the brainwashers, and these Freemasonic brainwashers treat their "basic instinct slaves" (SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST) as animals/cattle.

Considering what you have posted IS NON SEQUITUR, what real do no harm info and solution is there on offer with this post?????

Does this water powered car mean no more Road Maritime Services, no more Highway Police, no more Federal, State and Local governments, no more taxes, no more interest rates, no more commerce? Does it provide everyone with a small piece of land to care for their families and grow clean, living food and pass on this land to their children/descendants never to be sold or bought? Does it mean that MAN is no longer answerable to another MAN?

The point is Mark, hydrogen systems for cars require a vast population of slaves (CATTLE/ANIMALS) to build and fit the hydrogen systems, maintain the roads, etc, etc.

This Kindom group is committed to a do no harm remedy so of course we are asking where the do no harm remedy is to be found in hydrogen run cars???

Sure, for SLAVES/ANIMALS it saves them (reducing) bondage (money) to petrol and does not emit harmful toxic fumes but to say they are a remedy is ridiculous. A slave remedy for their budgeted rations perhaps but certainly not a remedy to free all of MAN from enslavement in this life and most definitely not a remedy that stops harm to nature dead in its tracks.

When hydrogen/salt-water cars can offer all this, then we will agree that hydrogen powered cars are a temporary stepping stone remedy. Until then, the non sequitur is yours Mark.

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Mark Jonas

I'm talking about one of greatest gifts to humanity, free energy. Sadly, by the reaction...the illuminati are right to rule over people like slaves

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Arthur Cristian

Free energy is NOT free Mark.

It comes with massive harm/devastation to nature/Earth/MAN.

Man-made free energy is a lie.

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Mark Jonas

You do not understand what your talking about.

42 mins

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Arthur Cristian

The free-energy you are revering is one of the major planks of the Freemasons NWO.

41 mins

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Mark Jonas

Ego is the limitation of understanding... You do not know what you are talking about

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Arthur Cristian

So you can't debate the subject and instead want to make things personal Mark. Why is that?

39 mins

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Mark Jonas

Goodbye

35 mins

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Arthur Cristian

(Y)

34 mins

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Arthur Cristian

Free Energy IS "The System" but that's ok, we must turn a blind eye to all the extensive brainwashing of millions of innocent children and the massive devastation to nature/earth because hey, it's "The System", which is far far far far far far far far far more important than all that gets harmed/desecrated to have it. Lets all bow down to the almighty God of all Gods, "The System". Hang on, lets blame Allah, the great deceiver.... LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

29th September 2015 11.30pm

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Arthur Cristian

"The System" is the setting into motion of fallen-MANS determination to commit spiritual suicide in this life. There is NOTHING of "The System" that is not part of this climatic decent into eternal death in this life. Free energy is part of this bond to commit death to the dream of MANS life in this life.

Every aspect of "The System" requires immense harm and destruction to the living.

Serving the non-sensory images (fantasy, delusion, illusion) of "The System", every man, woman and child bonded to "The System" IS collectively the living determination for fulfilment of the dream of spiritual suicide they live for in this life. All together they are creating total annihilation across Earth.

In one instance they are here and in the next they are GONE forevermore.

And they won't even realise they have gone.

Such is the deep, deep, deep, deep sleep they are under.

The deep sleep is the "intellect", is the lying, is the committing of fraud, is the deception, is the determination to do harm to the living, etc, etc.

All Freemasons/Satanists and all Intel who work for them are committed to fully creating their eternal death in this life. Bon voyage to the lot of you, there is no escaping the fatal consequences of your making/dreaming.

Thanks to "The System" of death of long ago, the "ancient world" remains across earth is the incontrovertible evidence of fallen-MANS first earth-wide attempt to cause spiritual suicide.

This "second time" around NONE will remain to continue living for the dream of MANS life. This "end times" is FATAL.

1st October 2015

The Cristian Family November 2006

Intel Loves Making Unpleasant Environments
On Social Networks
By Causing Disruptions And Conflict

2nd August 2015

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10207304889488575

Arthur Cristian

(Sanitised) wrote to us via YouTube saying: "Arthur/Fiona wrote...... "Using sense/senses (logic/scrutiny) we can now easily rout out Intel Operatives - their intel trademarks stand out. David Icke stayed in our family home for 1 week back in 1996 where we looked after him and what transpired between then and 2005 is detailed in our posts found in the LFL website."

(Sanitised) continued....... "I trust that what you are telling me is true. If you've had personal encounters with these folks and are convinced they are not working towards the same goals as you then I believe you. I am like the other millions of humans on this planet trying to understand and carefully find our way through this labyrinth of truth and lies. It ain't easy, but I'll keep at it. Peace and love, and keep up the good work."

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We replied................

(Sanitised), it's best that you don't believe in anything we say/share and instead, work it all out. Use your brain/senses to scrutinise everything and go where the logic of truth/sense takes you. Strictly or not, exclusively believing in us is actually following us and is in fact making us fully-responsible for how you think, feel and act which means you have given up taking full-responsibility for you, for creating your unique original thoughts/dreams to create your real life out of, and passing it over to us for us to create it for you.

This is how "self"-perpetuated, e-motionally energised victim mentalities come about - trauma (e-go) is still in the seat of power ruling over victims lives.

We are not your leader/saviour/messiah/thought-controller, etc...

We are assuming you are fully-comprehending this fact/reality and that you are not taking anything we say "personally". You have to put ALL the effort in, do all the very hard work and work it all out in your unique, original way. Please don't leave it all up to us and please don't be lazy about all this. Kindom is all about taking full-responsibility for everything you/we think, feel and do. If we don't do this then we are still deeply traumatised victims trapped in "The System" under 3rd party thought control = "system thought", which is all about leaving it to others like us to shape your/our thoughts, views, feelings, actions and perform that = robots = brainwashed systemised slaves = drones.

We love you (Sanitised) - we have no interest in misleading you, in messing with your head (so to speak), in messing with your real life, etc, etc.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian

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Joel D Rockefeller

Can you summarise why you believe David Icke is Intel?

2 August at 13:16

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Jaba Art

Because he is miss leading people with his new (c) age B/S luciferian CULT! That's the summarized version! Arthur can even make it shorter

2 August at 13:59

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Vicki Victoria

He is intel because he gives no remedy to the situation....all he has to do is tell everyone what a control mechanism the birth certificate is and how it owns you through The System. He encourages us to hate the moon and "believe" in shape shifting and to do the non-compliance dance in front of policemen. He has The Peoples Voice TV station.....there can be no independent TV station...just ask Bill Cooper (oh, that's right, you can't because they killed him). David said if we don't do something by 2016 we will be in a prison...that's next year. So far he has done nothing to help. All he has done is gathered up the people who have woken and put them back to sleep. Thanks David. You're a real hero.

2 August at 14:17

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Joel D Rockefeller

Ok, so it's an opinion. No links to intelligence? No dark history of being an elite groomed for the position of pied piper? Thanks for clearing that up :)

2 August at 14:40

Joel D Rockefeller

Vicki http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/03/31/law-land%C2%85-or-law-sea-dav...
LAW OF THE LAND?? OR LAW OF THE SEA?
by David Icke
8th May 2009
Love For Life
LOVEFORLIFE.COM.AU

2 August at 14:48

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Vicki Victoria

What ever Joel.

2 August at 15:22

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Joel D Rockefeller

Didn't think so

2 August at 15:32

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Fizz Gig

Pointing out common law vs merchant law is not a solution. All Law is terrorism-(rule by force and the threat of violence).

2 August at 15:50

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Joel D Rockefeller

I was hoping someone would have some concrete evidence that Icke is working for 'the enemy', rather than attacking his priorities and offering opinions..

2 August at 15:57

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Joel D Rockefeller

BTW I'm not an Icke fan but I know he is genuine

2 August at 15:57

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Fizz Gig

Icke should comprehend more than enough by now to know that a solution is necessary, what he is doing provides no solution, and that with the influence he possesses that if he gave people the right information and inspiration things would change in our favor most quickly. But he does nothing to truly help people to become truly free. He is an Entertainer.

2 August at 16:05

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Joel D Rockefeller

Ok, what is the "solution"?

2 August at 16:09

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Fizz Gig

This Man is not about to start the demonic ritual of explanation for you Joel. Best you use your senses and take the responsibility to work it out for yourself. Arthur and Fiona have made many of their wise and helpful insights available which should assist you.

2 August at 16:17

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Joel D Rockefeller

Maybe David Icke is doing the same thing as you Fizz? Ever thought about that?

2 August at 16:19

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Fizz Gig

This Man has thought about many things, but Icke does nothing at all like what this Man does.

2 August at 16:25

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Joel D Rockefeller

Lol, ok then, what do you "do"?

2 August at 16:34

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Fizz Gig

This Man has no intention of divulging private matters to please you Joel. But to sum things up This Man co-creates and sets the living dream of life into motion through the original breath, striving to restore Life to the pristine magnificence it was dreamed to be.

2 August at 16:49

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Joel D Rockefeller

This Man is pissing himself laughing at the hypocrisy

2 August at 16:54

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Fizz Gig

Really, hypocrisy ....Then tell us oh wise, incontinent and jolly Joel what would You have us do, what do you do?

2 August at 17:06

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Joel D Rockefeller

The hypocrisy is criticising a man for not offering solutions, and then not offering any yourself.

2 August at 17:10

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Fizz Gig

No, rather you did not fully comprehend the simple truth this Man shared and so you did not see/sense the remedy to be found there in.

2 August at 17:15

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Joel D Rockefeller

That new age tripe you vomited up 5 comments back? Oh dear

2 August at 17:16

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Joel D Rockefeller

The simple truth is you attack Icke for no reason other than your own ego. Let it go Fizzy, and be free

2 August at 17:16

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Joel D Rockefeller

Arthur could you please explain why David Icke is an Intel operative working for the enemy? I'm getting nowhere here

2 August at 17:18

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Jaba Art

Because you are holding on something that does not exists! You ratter go in conflict your brother than take the time to hear what others have to say! Icke is a shill/shill because he does not offer any remedy! But take people into his cult. All what icke has to offer are illusions no remedy! The remedy to the system is no system! To try to change the system is like giving a painkiller to a dead!

2 August at 18:27

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Joel D Rockefeller

And if you read the thread properly you will see NO ONE can offer a remedy, I have listened and I have heard nothing but new age refutations for an apparent new age luciferian.

2 August at 18:38

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Jaba Art

No remedy is not a offer but our responsibility! Only full responsibility is remedy to the system! But nothing within the system is remedy!

2 August at 18:39

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Joel D Rockefeller

What is see and hear are people very quick to criticise and very slow to support their criticism. Divide and conquer is truly at home among the egotistical

2 August at 18:39

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Joel D Rockefeller

Great, I take 'full responsibility' whatever that means, now what?

2 August at 18:40

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Jaba Art

David promotes division and system! He is a huge liar! And anyone trust this new cage shill will process the curse of the lie!

2 August at 18:41

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Joel D Rockefeller

No he doesn't

2 August at 18:41

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Jaba Art

Full responsibility means no more slave division mentality!

2 August at 18:41

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Joel D Rockefeller

Evidence?

2 August at 18:41

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Jaba Art

What us Ickes remedy?

2 August at 18:42

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Jaba Art

Of course if we are not thinking for ourself then someone else is thinking for us!

2 August at 18:42

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Jaba Art

Bring evidence what icke is saying is true! Where are the lizards?

2 August at 18:43

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Joel D Rockefeller

Knowledge is power. All empires self destruct when awareness reaches critical mass. He is assisting the gaining of knowledge.

2 August at 18:43

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Jaba Art

No he fool the people with pure illusions!

2 August at 18:43

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Joel D Rockefeller

You've never seen a demonic entity?

2 August at 18:44

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Jaba Art

Knowledge does only come from direct experience all the rest is 3rd party non sense for believers! But no truth!

2 August at 18:44

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Jaba Art

No I saw people fully possessed by demons yes

2 August at 18:45

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Joel D Rockefeller

And yet you belittle Icke's claims by sarcastically referring to 'lizards'. You obviously KNOW what he says about shape shifters is true

2 August at 18:46

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Jaba Art

No shape shifters, reptiles is complet B/S like emoticon any first party evidence for shape shifters and reptiles!? Where can we have 1st party experience with shape shifter or reptiles? 3rd party is always a LIE!

2 August at 18:50

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Joel D Rockefeller

Demon possessions and shapeshifters are the same thing

2 August at 18:53

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Jaba Art

No everyone who do not think fully for himself is possessed by this satanic system! Fully traumatised and RE-Act like demons as soon you challenge their believe system! like emoticon But no shapeshifter do not exists!

2 August at 18:55

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Jaba Art

Icke is a pure liciferian CULT Leader who promotes NWO big time!

2 August at 18:57

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Joel D Rockefeller

More opinion, no facts. Bye

2 August at 18:59

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Jaba Art

Pure facts like emoticon opinions are no proof of fact and have zero value!

2 August at 19:00

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Jaba Art

Can you provide prove of facts that what david icke is saying is true Joel D Rockefeller? Where are the prove of lizards and shape shifters? Can you provide this and bring into 1st party?

2 August at 19:02

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Joel D Rockefeller

Yep. Seen em. Enough for me.

2 August at 19:47

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Jaba Art

No prove of facts Joel D Rockefeller?

2 August at 20:28

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Arthur Cristian

Joel D Rockefeller, the codes of each letter of the English Alphabet Language were cracked and a script analysis was performed on one of David's books "The Truth Shall Set You Free", during 2005. The codes jumped out from every page, showing another doublespeak/tripplespeak language being clearly communicated that only those initiated into such secret illuminations could read, write, see, know and use.

In 2005/2006, we filed documents about these codes in great detail in the NSW Supreme Court that had all the judges flee the court room. From that came death threats, assassination attempts, intense surveillance, elderly supporters in their 70's hog tied, hooded and tortured for hours with a bullet put through the hip of the male, as well as many other dastardly things being thrown at us to scare us off and shut us up/down. This was all in conjunction with the bank fraud involving Macquarie Bank and the theft of our family home and the destruction of the cash flow from two businesses.

During 2005, we confronted David about these codes and he ran away and would not answer the questions. We just got complete silence from him about this and then, later, he talked about us as being a "wonderful couple from Australia" and tried to get involved with us in a few things. We again reminded him of what we had been saying about him and he disappeared again.

As we said in the original post of this thread, you need to take full responsibility for seeking truth. You need to put the effort in because we do not have the waking life to be your slaves and to perform all the labour to lay everything out for you. You need to go and do the research on David Icke. You can google inside the LFL website for key words and start exploring all the information about David that we have put up since 2005/2006.

As this is a brief post, we can say that we met an elderly MAN, a very successful professional and "genius" in his chosen profession, who spent 40 years as a layman researching very old English biographies of Bishops and Archbishops, etc, dictionaries, thesauruses, etc from the 17/1800s.

In the biographies, the back of the books contained lists of explanations of the codes of letters and the true meanings of words. Up until the 1970s/80s, these books were being intentionally removed from circulation all across Earth. They had a group of people working just on this! The researcher was able to get his hands on them through collectors of rare books, tips, op shops (thrift stores), from older generations, from markets, etc. They thought he was just interested in the history but he was really studying the alphabet language codes.

This MAN has since passed away and there have been people who have lost their lives over this, been jailed, had families threatened, businesses and characters destroyed, etc, which was why he didn't want to reveal the codes to everyday brainwashed men and women in mainstream.

We only found out this year that he was a 32nd degree Freemason (overseas), if we remember correctly. Through another man, he made contact with us and we found out that he was helping others with this work in courts and was really pissing Freemasons off. His conscience had kicked in and he had realised that the wool was being pulled over his eyes by Freemasonry. His ties to Freemasonry were well before he came to Australia and he wasn't involved in Freemasonry here. It appears that he fell through the cracks until he started doing work in the courts.

He told us stuff but he made us promise not to reveal anything without his permission, on mainstream, but that we could discuss this privately with lawyers, solicitors, barristers, judges, police involved with the law, and priests, particularly Roman Catholic and Church of England. We did so with many of these people. If we wanted to talk to any journalists, he wanted to do background checks on them. We have never sent it to anyone in the media. He also said that we could file the paperwork in their courts to let them know that other people knew about these codes.

It takes the better part of 20 years to master the craft and practise of using these codes in English and yet they are all there in their full illuminated glory in David Ickes book. So during 2005 we asked him how he knew these codes or who wrote his books for him?

We have also had many people write to us about their private, intimate dealings with David and, like us, many of them have had not the best experiences with strange goings on and strange people around him. This happened with us too when he stayed in our family home for a week back in 1996. There have also been instances of people having their lives threatened. You can find info about this on the internet if you look. We lent David a very old, rare book which he never returned. He broke his promise with us. When we again reminded him about the book (we did that a few times) he acted as if we never lent him this rare book.

We gave David full disclosure about our intentions to expose him before we made anything public and gave him the option of clearing things up with us but he didn't reply. Just fobbed us off. This was when we realised that he had sold out. His behaviour stunk of that kind of Freemasonic (conflict based) training. We also suspect that he is part of the elite establishment bloodlines too.

From the revelations of these alphabet language codes, we began to unravel the insights about sense and non-sense, first party and third party, consciousness and unconsciousness, light and darkness (illumination that is third party storytelling) and out of all of this came the awakening of the controlled opposition and the psyop programs that are used against us all that we have written so much about.

From all this, after all these years, has come the insights about the trauma and the blood letting/libel ritual sacrifice that is used to compel us to perform as robots and that the whole basis of their world is rooted in their alphabet languages (letters and words), which makes David Icke complicit to the scam. David has never cleared things up with us and he knows that we have been putting this info out there for years, impacting many many people. David is fully aware of the presence of all our intended work, routing him out as Intel, etc.

Well over 300 million unique IP addresses/browsers have passed through the LFL website and millions of them have been exposed to what we say about David and other intel operatives but we never get anything but dead silence from them. When someone writes or says things that are not true about us, when they use slander and fraud, we confront them to set the record straight, as do most people who stand for truth because their consciences prick them if they don't. They will ask their accusers to bring forward proof of their claims. From Intel - nothing, because they can't debate with us because we know the right questions to ask them and how to argue with them. All we get is dead silence because to debate with us just exposes them more and more, and the fact that we are very well known for posting everything that transpired between us on the internet in the public domain. They hate all that but do nothing about it.

We have always done everything with transparency, out in the open and it is all there in the LFL website, warts and all. All the debates, correspondence, etc, is posted there for anyone to see. We don't make claims about Intel lightly. We do the background work and check it all out before we confront them.

Finally, if David Icke has no remedy to get MAN out of "The System" in this life, never to return, then all his exposure and consciousness work is as nothing and is only a distraction. It is all done only through the duality scam of an alphabet language. We have confronted David about this over and over again but even when we have confronted him about this, he ignores it. We have gone after many, many Intel Operatives but David Icke has been given the most coverage by us.

Many readers and viewers have written to David about what we say about him over the net but David ignores them too. They let us know about their experiences with David. Many are really waking up to the scam work of David Icke. Again, the clever psyop programming deception of all this is to be found amongst many of our Love For Life articles, debates, discussions, videos and podcasts.

We have been putting up a lot of posts talking about the duality based, third party, explained thought of freedom, consciousness, truth, etc, not being freedom, consciousness, truth, etc, because it is all fairytales, storytelling which is the trademark of all highly trained Freemasons and is found throughout all of David Icke's work, as well as Jordan Maxwell's, Mark Passio's, etc.

Freemasons are all master storytellers and the black magic spells, rooted in trauma, are what forms the storytelling. The storytellers are pied pipers, intel operatives, shepherds, fishermen leading the duped where ever they want them to go. The duped are all those who have given up taking full responsibility for what they are thinking that they use to form their fake lives out of. Refer to the original post in this thread and others posted in this Kindom group, on Arthur's and other LFL FB walls and in the LFL website - refer to the LFL Sequential Order.

Joel, are you saying that you are not fully-aware of all our LFL insight work, and that you are acting in ignorance, because this Kindom group is for those who are already past all this Freemasonic scam so we don't have controversies popping up where there shouldn't be any?

We have to go now, children going to bed, etc.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

2 August at 20:29

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Joel D Rockefeller

Disagreeing and questioning is far from ignorance. Why patronise me for asking a simple question and requesting a simple answer? Hiding something?

2 August at 21:05

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Joel D Rockefeller

I am fully aware of your work, it's no better than David or any of my friends views

2 August at 21:06

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Joel D Rockefeller

Jaba, my experiences are proof enough

2 August at 21:07

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Jaba Art

Who is patronizing? You ask a question we answer! But I ask you a simple question and you are going into victim state when no one attack you here!!! Ca you provide evidence that icke is saying the truth?

2 August at 21:08

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Jaba Art

Prove is always 1st party not 3rd party! Ca you provide prove in 1st party? Or do we have to beLIEve you?

2 August at 21:09

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Joel D Rockefeller

I had one very simple question, which has not been answered. Where is the PROOF David Icke is Intel? Where?

2 August at 21:09

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Jaba Art

Because he promotes the system is prove he do not provide remedy away from the system! Now your turn to provide 1st party evidence that icke is telling the truth!

2 August at 21:11

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Joel D Rockefeller

That's not proof, it's opinion

2 August at 21:12

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Joel D Rockefeller

And apparently Arthur Cristians proof is "David stole a book from me"... Delusions

2 August at 21:13

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Arthur Cristian

No, its not that he stole a book from us, it is the language codes that have been found through his work.

2 August at 21:37

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Arthur Cristian

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10207291816481758

Truth it is about the "Bad Guys" and all the terrible, really sick things they are doing and have been doing for "hundreds of years". Off the back of the "Bad Guys" clever work a very well coordinated scam has gradually been unfolding where thousands of "Good Guys" fighting and exposing the "Bad Guys" deeds, are being brought forth, heralded as heroes, saviours, inspirers, influencers, used to bring in the New World Order that really is "The System" under another feel good/god, "Oneness Consciousness" guise.

Before and now, everyone is still trapped in "The System" as deeply traumatised, brainwashed, educated slaves. The Grand Plan implemented long ago uses the "Bad Guys" vs the "Good Guys" shepherds, to keep all their victims completely distracted, powerless, directionless and unaware of the extent of the scam being perpetrated against them.

The Greatest Lies And Liars Are The Ones Closest To The Truth - They Cause The Greatest Damage Of All Because Everyone Trusts Them.

Orchestrated off the back of many hundreds/thousands of "Good Guys" campaigning against the "Bad Guys", who collectively sold out long ago to serve their masters long-term Grand Plan agenda, behind the scenes and far away from the public's gaze, it is the same Freemasonic/Satanic collective network of orders, lodges, fraternities, societies, brotherhoods, sisterhoods, institutions, etc, etc, bringing forward both men and women to perform these staged duels in front of the masses. They are all in on the scam.

What is their Holy Grail?

Answer: "The System".

"The System" is a covert method of willing enslavement and this is where those behind the scenes get all their power and control from. If they lose "The System", they lose all their power and control over their slaves who have broken away. They cannot afford NOT to control the outcome. The ONLY remedy is NO SYSTEM, no "Bad Guys" or "Good Guys", no man-made system coming between us.

However, the brainwashing job done on all of us has been so comprehensive that our doubt, uncertainty and distrust stops us from ever coming together to live without "The System".

One by one, it is very easy to rout all the "Good Guys" (CONTROLLED OPPOSITION) out - none of them offer a NO SYSTEM remedy in this life. And even if they did, somewhere along the way, their NO SYSTEM remedy would be undermined and sabotaged from within and from without by doubt and uncertainty as well as ridicule, abuse, character assassinations, . Because this is something critical they do not address. They don't have the unrelenting passion to live for a NO SYSTEM dream in this life. NO SYSTEM is potrayed as Utopia rather than a reality that we can all choose to create in this life.

Challenge all the "Good Guys" by getting them to answer this question... "What is the remedy you offer in this life, that provides freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, do no harm, no loss of uniqueness and originality and no slaves and rulers for everyone and everything involving MAN, Nature, Earth?

Link to video: https://www.facebook.com/DavidAvocadoWolfe/videos/10152756803006512

To go far more deeper and wider into this subject, please start at the top of the home page of the Love For Life website and scroll down from there reading and watching everything provided: http://loveforlife.com.au

We are shortly to post an article called "I Love You But I Am Destroying You" (or something like this) that will encapsulate the big picture we now see/sense which unfolded since we started Love For Life March 2005. It will be somewhere around a 90 minute read. As for a do no harm remedy, a new Love For Life Kindom Group was started up earlier this year by many supporters of the Kindom dream: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918 - Arthur & Fiona Cristian.

2 August at 21:46

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Arthur Cristian

Joel wrote: "Knowledge is power. All empires self destruct when awareness reaches critical mass. He is assisting the gaining of knowledge"

Joel, please answer this..... Does this gaining of knowledge inspire brothers/sisters to depart "The System" and onwards to NO SYSTEM" in this life

or

does it ONLY coach brothers/sisters to remain in "The System" with no way out,............ even if the guise of "The System" is given a glossy new cover along the way to make everyone feel so much better about it?

Which one Joel?

To us, painting the inside of the prison cell from grey to pink does not change the fact that its still a prison for prisoners.

2 August at 23:14

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Arthur Cristian

Joel - 1st party is fact - 3rd party is opinion - you are getting confused between the two.

2 August at 23:17

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Arthur Cristian

Joel wrote: "I was hoping someone would have some concrete evidence that Icke is working for 'the enemy', rather than attacking his priorities and offering opinions."

"The System" is covert - the Love For Life insight work has provided everyone for years with factual evidence of the Freemasonic methods used for covert control over all their educated (brainwashed) slaves. .

If you are looking for overt evidence then you are barking up the wrong tree by arguing with everyone here.

2 August at 23:24

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Arthur Cristian

Joel Wrote: "I had one very simple question, which has not been answered. Where is the PROOF David Icke is Intel? Where?"

The body of the Love For Life work is already the proof of factual evidence into how Freemasons use spells to fulfil their intent through the use of covert means to con their educated victims to fall/be under their spells. "we were taught to spell to be under their spell".

This FB wall is full of posts/comments/articles we've been putting up on this subject over the past few months, yet alone over the past 7 years or so.

3 August at 04:01

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Arthur Cristian

In relation to reptilian shape-shifters, Joel wrote: "my experiences are proof enough".

Your experiences are not proof of first party evidence.

Have you been to their home land?

And if so, can you provide the physical directions for millions of innocent children so they can all visit them in this life without you or anyone else acting on the reptilians behalf as 3rd party storytellers? .

All the children and adults want first party to first party direct sensory experience evidence.

Have you met the reptilian's ancestors?

Have you seen where their ancestors are buried?

Have you seen where their children are playing?

Can you bring forward 1st party evidence of any natural, sensory living life form needing the reptilian shape-sifters to exist so they may exist?

Can you show us what reptilian shape-shifters do for nature/earth/dream of life/creation/the-living/etc that aids nature/earth/creation/etc, in rolling along here and now?

Would MAN not exist if reptilian shape-shifters did not exist?

Will reptilian shape-shifters continue to exist if MAN no longer existed?

Can you bring forward an experience of reptilian shape-shifters without MAN being a party to that experience. Can/Could you do that for all of us Joel?

Many have seen Santa Clause, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, etc, but they can't bring forward Santa Clause, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny as first parties. So far only a man/woman/child can come forward to act under costume and title as a 3rd party re-presentative/actor/storyteller/etc of Santa Clause, Tooth Fairy & Easter Bunny which is NOT proof of fact.

This is why we are asking you for first party evidence.

If the claimed presence of a higher being was brought forward before us, we will be asking these higher beings to demonstrate these higher powers of theirs by shifting a mountain range from there to over there without harming anything. If they can't do that then they are NOT a higher being and therefore their claimed higher being presence amongst us means sweet fuck all and we will tell them to fuck off and go back to where they came from and stay out of MANS affairs forever (so to speak). :)

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

3 August at 04:05

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Luis C. Rodrigues Coelho

Of course Icke is a weapon in the hands of the schemers....Those really exposing what needs to be exposed either are killed or have their lives made into a nightmare...This is not what has been happening to Icke, nor alex jones nor to other fake 'truth seekers' !!!

3 August at 05:32

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Joel D Rockefeller

I'd like some first party evidence that David Icke is Intel. Not thousands of pages of theories. Correlation doesn't equal causation. And still, no one has provided any proof to support these theories. What is the secret code hidden in his books?

3 August at 09:06

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Joel D Rockefeller

"Joel wrote: "Knowledge is power. All empires self destruct when awareness reaches critical mass. He is assisting the gaining of knowledge"

Joel, please answer this..... Does this gaining of knowledge inspire brothers/sisters to depart "The System" and onwards to NO SYSTEM" in this life ?"

YES

3 August at 09:08

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Joel D Rockefeller

I ask for proof he is Intel, and you ask me to prove shape shifters exist? No fair

3 August at 09:23

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Arthur Cristian

Then show how brothers and sisters are pulling completely away from "The System", back to NO SYSTEM, using David Icke's work?

3 August at 14:00

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Joel D Rockefeller

Once again you are avoiding my very simple question. Come on brother, I really would like something concrete

3 August at 14:08

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Joel D Rockefeller

If you research Icke's blog and the commenters there, there are thousands discussing and escaping the system as we speak.

3 August at 14:11

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Joel D Rockefeller

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=254275

one of many

so how does one escape the matrix - David Icke's Official Forums
so how does one escape the matrix The Matrix / Nature of Reality
FORUM.DAVIDICKE.COM

3 August at 14:13

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Arthur Cristian

David Icke claims he offers truth but his truth is deeply compromised because everyone remains as slaves in "The System". There is no unique and original truth for each man, woman and child there that sets all of MAN free from "system-thought-control", free from being underneath another MAN and therefore no longer being answerable to a third party authority over their/your/our real lives.

At the living heart of truth is freedom, peace, joy, abundance, do no harm, no loss of uniqueness and originality, no slaves and rulers and truth for all BUT this is NOT to be found in David Icke's work.

A 3rd party explained consciousness, freedom, etc, is not anyone's consciousness, freedom, truth, etc. They are just ideas bouncing to and fro between the ears of men and women who never created them but have been trained to bond with them and rely on them.

This is what advertising and marketing is all about: getting men and women to bond with ideas so that they think that they need them to be happy, etc, to live a life, to be fulfilled. In this case it is supply and demand of consciousness, freedom, etc, with a man-made system provided around it to keep the supply and demand going.

Why are many of those in the freedom/truth movement making so much money??????

Those supplying all the storytelling get the money because the freedom consumers are buying/using their freedom, consciousness products.

To keep being able to supply heroin, you need addicts to heroin who want to buy it from you over and over again. The more heroin addicts, the more the supply and the greater the influence, the greater the power and control.

Demand is power.

Supply maintains the power.

David Icke does not provide full disclosure to all his victims about the fact that he is not showing anyone how to completely get out of "The System" in this life. The programming he offers e-motionally compels his victims to set into motion the explained consciousness, freedom, etc, he peddles because they believe David's third party explanations, instructions, education, suggestions of consciousness, freedom, etc,are their freedom, consciousness etc, and therefore are energising these lies, just as they are energising the lies of all the other third party "freedom", "consciousness", etc, merchants out there.

Just as we can see McDonald's psyop programming mantras almost everywhere you go on billboards at railway stations, bus stops, highways, newspapers, magazines, television, radio, football stadiums, shopping centres, all compelling the consumers to go to McDonald's, so the Intel operatives acting as the third party freedom/truthers of "The System" version of freedom and consciousness are everywhere, their mantras entering mainstream, their books and courses on sale. Just as McDonald's is offering a corrupted version of food and drink, so the Intel freedom/truthers are offering corrupted versions of freedom and consciousness.

It is all about supply and demand to maintain the power and control of their masters, the manufacturers of "The System" product.

Only those susceptible succumb to the pressure with only those strong enough to withstand it pointing out that it is all fake.

Those who believe that making McDonalds part of their staple diet won't do them any long term harm will discover the truth when they get very sick down the line when it is too late and they find themselves dealing with potentially fatal diseases.

In the same way, those taken in by the Intel freedom/truthers will discover that they have been lied to when they find themselves under even more control in the next version of "The System", the New World Order. Only then will they realise that the fake consciousness and freedom they were given was all lies but that the damage has been done and it is too late. They were all got at by the manipulators of the supply and demand of the fake freedom, truth, peace, consciousness, etc, products found ONLY in "The System".

The consumers did not realise who was behind "The System" and that the tactics being used against them only benefitted David Icke's masters.

Part of the brilliant clever psyop programming is this................

David Icke's life defaults to "The System" so everything he talks about defaults to "The System" too. Everyone who has been influenced by David Icke about freedom, consciousness, etc, also defaults to "The System" because that is where they believe they can find and experience freedom, consciousness, etc. They are still trapped in "The System".

David Icke is the Pied Piper leading the duped from one version of "The System" to another through Tavistock-style, covert psyops programs. This is Intel in action. Remember, we are addressing covert system thought control to keep everyone enslaved. The most willing slaves are those who think they are free.

We have already asked David what his remedy to get everyone out of "The System" in this life is.

He does not have one.

He cannot expose the agenda without destroying the grand plan set out long ago. Losing power and control over their consumers is NOT in their interest.

Why don't you ask him?

It is up to you Joel, to decide if you don't see/sense any long term harm in David's work, even if we do. You have to take full responsibility for what you chose to expend your life energy on. We take full responsibility for pointing out the lies/consequences we see in David Icke's work but we are not pointing a gun at your head to make you see things as we do. This is your choice. You have free will. To us the deception is very clever, subtle, but also fatal to those who get sucked into it.

In the LFL work, we make it very clear that it is no system, no system, no system and we explain why in great detail.

In "The System", we have Ford, Holden, Mitsubishi, etc, for consumers to chose from. We are not competing for a portion of the freedom, consciousness, etc, market.

What we are saying is that each of us has to create our unique, original freedom, consciousness, etc. We cannot provide it for them because we are not them and to do so would be fraud. Go to the Love For Life website home page and start working through the articles, videos, etc, to see why we say this http://loveforlife.com.au

We can't force others to wake up - they can only do it in their unique original way. This is not about my car is better than your car. In the freedom/truth movement it is all about my version of freedom/consciousness is better than yours. To us, all of it is fake and we do not chose any of them. The New World Order offers a vast array of diversity to chose from but it is all explained and laid out for us to chose from. In the supermarket, we do not have freedom, we only have choice. The same applies to "The System". Choice has nothing to do with freedom. David Icke only offers choice. He does not offer freedom. Unless we create our unique, original dreams, we don't have anything unique and original about freedom, consciousness, truth, etc. All we have is a fake copy.

This is the evidence that we offer to show that David Icke is Intel. He has an agenda which is to lead all those who can be sucked in into the New World Order that is the supply and demand of his master's business interests, the choices con-sumers make, along with all the other Intel shepherds out there who work for the same masters.

We are not here to convince you that we are right. We are just showing you all the clever marketing that surrounds David Icke and the consequences of those who fall for the marketing choices because they can't see/sense the bigger picture surrounding what he offers. They do not yet know what real freedom is.

Joel, you can follow David Icke and all the choices he offers as much as you want but we are NOT consuming the choices he offers. We will continue to do everything we can to promote the Love For Life insights we share that expose David's "system thought control" agenda, the supply and demand of "The System" choices. This also applies to all other intel operatives who do not offer NO SYSTEM as a remedy in this life and instead are promoting a fake version of consciousness, freedom, truth, etc.

We wish you all the best with your choices Joel. :) <3 (Y)

Arthur & Fiona.

3 August at 16:00

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Joel D Rockefeller

Thanks, for the record, I don't "follow" anything but my heart ;)

3 August at 15:29

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Arthur Cristian

Also, reptillian shape-shifters are only to be found in "The System". They are just a marketing gimmick to suck freedom/consciousness seekers into the fake choices of "The System". You will not find reptillian shape-shifters anywhere outside "The System", only inside "The System" where thoughts and images of reptillian shape-shifters have been projected into our thoughts and performed by those susceptible to them. Any MAN can be susceptible to images projected into their heads so that they think they are seeing reptillian shape-shifters when they are just seeing the result of their projections. MAN is the only first party to everything. Bring forward an experience without MAN being first party to that experience.

3 August at 15:30

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Arthur Cristian

All of the choices come from the shelves of "The System" supermarket. None of them come from direct, first party, sensory experience with nature/life all around.

3 August at 15:35

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Arthur Cristian

To follow our/your heart is to listen to our/your unique original senses and follow that which has NOTHING to do with the 3rd party explained thoughts bouncing to and fro between our/your ears (so to speak). The 3rd party thought of an explained freedom seems to be so close to the truth but it is still NOT our unique original freedom we are dreaming/creating. We did not originally create that. It is not unique to us which can be seen by the mass of consumers thinking, feeling, dreaming for the same choice of freedom, consciousness, etc. Most get terribly confused believing that the explained thought is their unique dreaming for the original life of the MAN they are dreaming for (creating).

3 August at 15:50

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Joel D Rockefeller

You are asking an impossible question Arthur.

3 August at 16:05

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Arthur Cristian

The impossible is with you Joel. Truth is NOT impossible.

3 August at 16:06

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Joel D Rockefeller

Bring forward ANY experience without MAN being first party to that experience, outside the system of reality.

3 August at 16:07

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Joel D Rockefeller

Your truth is subjective

3 August at 16:08

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Joel D Rockefeller

It's circular logic and Gish galloping

3 August at 16:08

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Arthur Cristian

The ONLY thing you can do here is to confront David and ask him this question...... "Are you offering freedom, consciousness as a choice or do you offer a remedy that gets everyone out of the choices of "The System"? Which one David?

3 August at 16:08

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Joel D Rockefeller

And what answer could he possibly give to appease you?

3 August at 16:09

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Joel D Rockefeller

You realise that you yourself are offering your own SYSTEM?

3 August at 16:10

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Arthur Cristian

Joel, you are creating confusion around the fact that MAN is the ONLY first party to any experience MAN experiences, meaning that MAN is creating everything MAN is experiencing. There are no other first parties coming forward apart from MAN. Until another first party can come forward and is thoroughly tested to be sure it is not fake and fraud what other first parties are there? Until this is resolved you are currently admitting to being under 3rd party man-made "system thought control" images which means reptilian shape-shifters are NOT subjective because these images were made up by other bothers and sisters of MAN and projected into your head for you to perform/project/dance-with. This is why we have mass consumerism of this fake product available for purchase in "The System". It is in "The System" where you acquired these images from.

3 August at 16:18

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Arthur Cristian

"You realise that you yourself are offering your own SYSTEM?". This is a blatant lie. Back your claims. We don't want your 3rd party commentary coming forward here because it is slander, fake and fraud. We ask you to bring forward the living first parties to back your claims.... "You realise that you yourself are offering your own SYSTEM?"

3 August at 17:30

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Joel D Rockefeller

If you can't see that you must have some grandiose delusions. You aren't helping escape the system, you are offering YOUR own 'no system system', if you can't see that you are deluded and you will fail miserably. Good luck though.

3 August at 16:25

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Arthur Cristian

Being raised up uniquely and originally by nature is NOT a man-made-system. A MAN made system requires explanation, instruction, education, suggestion to create the image power of "system-thought-control", therefore children are conditioned to project.and create this 3rd party image power.

The end result of co-creating Kindom in this life is to get everyone in and of Kindom out from being underneath each other in this life and no longer being answerable to another MAN in this life too.

The Intent for Kindom in this life is what we dream for.

Kindom is a life is a gift on a do no harm path way of life where all the virtues of unconditional love are not compromised in any way, meaning they are not defined by another MAN'S instruction, suggestion, etc.

Through direct sensory experience with nature, children are being raised by nature, they are creating their unique original dreams for creating the unique original MAN they are dreaming/living for. There is no other MAN'S image power inside their heads making a mess of their real life dream.

Kindom is a transition out of "The System" back to NO SYSTEM in this life, where all innocent children are no longer subjected to 3rd party, explanations, education, suggestions, instructions about anything they sense (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) of nature/earth/sensory-life-forms/,dream of life/etc.

Breaking this vicious cycle of 3rd party storytelling is not a MAN made system being perpetuated generation after generation after generation because nature is not a man made system subjecting brothers and sisters under the image power of another MAN down-the-line and through all generations to come. Children are being raised by nature and NOT under the image power of another MAN.

Kindom IS nature/earth in its pure and sincere original form.

Kindom is dreamt by uncorrupted children exposed to the purity and sincerity of uncorrupted nature so they each grow up with pure and sincere intentions, dreams, lives, etc.

3rd party education, instruction, suggestion, explanation corrupts the innocence of children. .

Through the unconditional love of Kindom (life is a gift on a do no harm path), we live for breaking the shackles of a man-made-system-thought/image-control being perpetuated through generations to come..... in this life.

This is our only intent for Kindom.

With Kindom, nature completely replaces, day care centres, pre-schools, kindergartens, primary schools, high schools, colleges, universities, retirement homes, churches, temples, mosques, synagogues, books, publishing houses, Hollywood, TV, cinemas, media, newspapers, current affairs, electronics, telecommunication, technology, computers, internet, cell/mobile phones, digital towers, engineering, mathematics based anything including music and musical instruments, offices, cities, skyscrapers, suburbs, fast food, supermarkets, shopping centres, mechanical transport, petroleum, oil, gas, electricity, commerce, banking, money, insurance, superannuation, stock markets (whatever), paper, filing paper systems, libraries, courts, man-made laws, politics, governments, chemists, doctors, veterinarians, big pharma, hospitals, military, fairytales and all other man-made dead-corpse prosthetics, rules, regulations, rituals, procedures, conditions, contracts, etc....

We have been trained to give up everything that came naturally to us as part of our true freedom, consciousness, etc, so that we would learn to depend on all these man-made prosthetics from when we were children, so that we would become dependent on those behind "The System". This is how "wards of the state" are made, sucking on the nipples of the consumer services of the slave masters.

Breaking this horrific, destructive, "fallen-state" spell over all of us is what we dream/live/stand for.

All those who live to break the spell of system thought control choices in this life have the intent to set free their children, grand-children and all descendants to come from being under another MANS image power and therefore be no longer enslaved to a man-made system = education, brainwashing, indoctrination, etc, and therefore are no longer answerable to another MAN and most importantly, harm to nature/earth, MAN has stopped dead in its tracks. .

We are all waking up in the middle of the chaos and harm doing because none of us were given idiot friendly, full disclosure of what was being done to us as innocent children, how we were all being conditioned through the choices that were provided for us and the consequences that were being provided for us. All the Intel agents are admitting there is a problem, just as you do because you are behind the exposure of the Port Arthur massacre amongst many other things.

As well as pointing out the problems, we are offering a do no harm life is a gift remedy for those seeking a way out of "The System" in this life, never to return.

Should we not do that?

Can you see any harm in what we are doing?

If so, please bring forward the 1st party evidence.

Does what we offer make us less of a MAN than David Icke, or anyone else who is pointing out this man-made "consumer-based matrix" and everything that is going wrong within it and of it?

What we are saying is that we do not need 3rd party man-made freedom, truth, consciousness, etc, consumer products and that we need to each create our unique, original lives without 3rd party system choices getting in the way.

Kindom is all about taking full-responsibility for everything we think, feel and do, meaning there is no leader and no followers in Kindom because all of Kindom are not defaulting to a 3rd party who tells them how to think, feel and act which can only form a fake version of life (their life) out of.

Defaulting to 3rd parties is all about falling under limited responsibility/liability and that's because we gave up uniquely creating who we really are in this life and are now acting as consumers acquiring 3rd party versions of a fake truth, freedom, peace, abundance, consciousness, etc, to create a fake version of life out of. This is what causes men and women to fall under the administrative authority of another MAN = SLAVERY. They are not FREE.

Now that we realise what is really going on, should we not be seen to be doing something powerful to set about cleaning up the mess in this life?

Do you want us to go away - to stop doing all the Love For Life work we do?

4 August at 03:19

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Jaba Art

LIFE/Nature is not a system! A system require a WORLD to create a world we need CODES/WORDS Programming (GRAMMAR) Functions, characters, NAMES and this is ALL PURE MAN MADE!

3 August at 17:57

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Arthur Cristian

The delusions of great grandeur are you with Joel. You have absolutely NOTHING to back your claims. All you have offered here in this thread, for all to see/sense, is the performance/ACT of a 3rd party commentary designed to commit slander and fraud because you are blatantly attempting to kidnap the real lives of other first parties so that you can impersonate them, to act as an imposter of their intentions, dreams, values, etc, making it out that these performances are coming from those you have targeted, when the clear incontrovertible fact is that you have both created and projected the conflict on all sides.

The intent being to create a conflict by projecting a conflict that you have created to embroil others in it. You are relying on the doubt and uncertainty you are projecting in hope to manipulate the doubt and uncertainty with those you are targeting so they will perform the destruction/chaos in and of them too.

But as you can see these tactics no longer work.

Many are really waking up to these subtle manipulations Joel and are seeing right through it all. To us, you have failed miserably in your mission here.

At no time have you come into this thread with do no harm ("good") intentions, instead, you came in here to harm others by your associations with ridicule, abuse, character assassinations, slander, fraud, lying, etc. The evidence is most clear for all to see/sense. :) <3 (Y)

3 August at 18:02

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Joel D Rockefeller

But nature is a man made construct of perception, it isn't real

3 August at 18:23

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Joel D Rockefeller

I came here with a simple question and the answer I got was a bunch of counter questions and new age cult talk. I did not come here for conflict, just a simple question. Obviously being caught in ones own ego creates cognitive dissonance.

3 August at 18:26

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Joel D Rockefeller

I asked this simple question multiple times, and you choose to create an image of persecution for yourself and one of disruption for me. Any rational human being reading this thread who isn't brainwashed by YOU would see that clearly.

3 August at 18:28

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Joel D Rockefeller

I also notice the aggression you are projecting toward me, is that part of your "do no harm" ethos which you apply to all but yourself?

3 August at 18:35

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Arthur Cristian

Joel, your slander, fraud and lying continues to be performed here and you are unwilling to clean up your act. There is no sincerity coming through. All your claims are in 3rd party, they are ONLY dependent on others you target so that you can perpetuate the chaos you serve, and until you stop performing this "game" of destruction, you will only continue to create controversies where there aren't any.

It is most clear for all to see/sense, that you have no intention to bring peace/wholeness/closure to this interaction with us.

We have gone out of our way to clearly explain our intentions, views, insights, 1st party experiences with David Icke, research, remedy, psyop programming, etc, etc, here, which, as our big picture, have collectively answered your question as to why we see David Icke as an Intel Operative.

And you do not have to agree with this, but you are so determined to continue making us fully-responsible for your life, for your attitudes, behaviour, claims, issues, destructive e-motions, etc, and for committing fraud, lying and slander which you continue to project into this thread because you do not want to bring peace/wholeness/closure with us and others.

Currently, you are NOT peaceful.

Your alliance is currently with war, chaos, destruction, and doing harm.

This says it all about you Joel.

Good bye Joel.

If you continue on this path we will immediately block you from Facebook forevermore. It is your choice.

Also, ignoring everything we have written here does not justify the perpetuation of your destructive attitudes. It is a free-will choice you have to stop it here and now or to continue on with performing your dance of war.

You have never lived with us, had any intimate private dealings with us on a long-term basis which clearly shows that we have never injured you or harmed you in any way or ripped you off so continuing to performing this "blame others" war dance with us clearly reveals that we have never injured you for you to have any gripe with us and therefore you are clearly showing all of us reading this thread that you have other ulterior motives at play here, none of which really have anything to do with us. Whatever gripes you have are imaginary. And if you don't have any gripes, why the lack of good will and closure, the unwillingness to bring peace to the table?

Good bye Joel.

3 August at 19:05

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Joel D Rockefeller

Slander? Fraud? Lying? Really sir?

3 August at 19:09

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Joel D Rockefeller

You have not relayed ANY first party experience with ICKE. You have consistently avoided my simple questions and instead gish galloped and made no comprehensible argument, contradicted yourself, and generally exposed yourself as far less helpful to our freedom than someone like David.

3 August at 19:12

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Joel D Rockefeller

My only motive was a simple answer to a simple question. Your paranoid delusions took it to another place, brother.

3 August at 19:17

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Arthur Cristian

We have blocked Joel. Also, notice this comment "Really sir?" This "sir" to us is commonly used by Freemasons, often used in law, in courts, in their dealings with the public, etc.

We have no proof of this but it is possible that Joel's account was hijacked or Joel sold out somewhere along the way.

We've known Joel for some years on FB and we know his writing style and cold detached attitude that transpired in this thread is not something that the Joel we knew would do, he never showed up like that, that's unless he sold out and is now performing under another guise.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

3 August at 20:04

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Luis C. Rodrigues Coelho

hahaha, proper desinformation being provided in this two-way conversation. It makes me laugh the consept of getting out of the system into the no system..let's build a 'kindom', right? I recall how david icke was called into what he now does during a session of meditation, where he felt outside forces compelling him to change his life and become a 'truth seeker'.

What were these outside spirits if not demons in disguise? Shape shifters?

This is the level of irrationality going on in an age of advanced technology. The problem with people not believing God is not that they don't believe in God, but that they end up believing in anything, literally. If david icke is so knowledgable, why didn't he ever mentioned the role of the apostate jews in world conspiracies? Why don't you google 'the permanent instructions of the alta venditta', written by mazzini in the 19th century, so you can realize one of the ultimate goals of this world conspiracy being engineered by freemasonry, one of the secret weapons of the synagogue of satan? Anyone not discerning that the world schemers seek to completely destroy catholicism from the surface of the earth, is missing the point. Judaism is not monotheism, but pagan pantheism; it's faith system is the cabala, the same belief system promoted by Arthur here, only with a few variations and changed terminology...a common technique used by many to deceive people (semantic deceptions) !!! Many many books, literature and interviews are available which proof that it is apostate jews who are gradually building a new world order. Google 'the hidden tyranny', an interview zionist harold rosenthal conceded in late 70's....see and read what he said in his own words; Appreciate how his goals and methods are striking similar to those of the protocols of the elders of zion...which by the way, I got quotes from rabbis stating their veracity !!! Stp being fooled by truth seekers, cos these are deceived or paid souls with the task of keeping people distracted from what is really vital and important. The conversation between Arthur and this rockefeller is a good example of it !!! Start looking at whom are the spiritual influences of the United Nations and what they said in their books: helena blavatsky, alice bailey, teilhard de chardin, barbara hubbard, robert muller, david spangler, benjamin creme or maurice strong.....Realize how some of these nice people advocate genocide of those who are not 'earth'centered'...These hypocreites have been spreading equalities, but in the end, when the right time comes, one either choses the seven laws of noah for gentiles, or one will be decapitated, as required in the babylonian talmud, the 'sacred' book of judaism. Google how george w. bush has signed these seven laws in an executive order, and is celebrated in 'education day' !!!

3 August at 23:47

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Luis C. Rodrigues Coelho

and by the way Joel, Arthur will do anything in his reach to avoid answering your most simple questions !! I've had this before....what he is promoting is the jewish cabala...althought he doesn't want to admit it or doesn't want to see it...

3 August at 23:49

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Arthur Cristian

Briefly..........

There is a lot intel coming out of the music industry. Many musos have been got at and or sold out along the way to join this Occultic Freemasonic agenda.

It seems some or many were groomed for the roles they play from early in life.

Many are used as plants waiting for their calling to action.

We (Fiona/Arthur) have learnt through dealing with Intel that it is best never to have any e-motional attachments to any outcomes and to not let trauma manipulate us when these Intel Operations are being performed and directed our way.

This thread is an example of how this all works.

We suspect the organisational societies streaming out of the work of Aleister Crowley have a lot to do with all this and that one particular Aleister Crowley hub of gnostics is the fountain-head of "illuminated" knowledge, programming unsuspecting devotees to dream for a "dimensional dream-world universe" to enter into, in their after-life, as Gods ruling over their exclusive domain forevermore.

Through occults and esoterics, this fake universe of many universes is being conceptualised by devotees in such a way that the black-magic rituals being practised to both create their universe and their homecoming into their exclusive, privileged universe, in their after-life, as Gods ruling over their dream-world-universe, is actually used as part of the day to day psyop programming practices for both creating and preparing all of duped-MAN to enter the NWO.

All who have sold out to this NWO agenda have been promised an exclusive after-life dream-world-universe reward by their High-Priest/Priestes leaders for performing their life-time work in bringing in the Satanic/Freemasonic inspired NWO.

Here is an example of this fantasy scam reward: Pharaohs In Sarcophagus: https://slm-assets1.secondlife.com/assets/254924/view_large/f3ecf2698379...

So what we really have here is thousands of fallen-duped-MAN sold a lie if they join the Satanic Orders and fulfil the promise given unto them, through the rituals they were initiated into.

The same scam attempted back in "Ancient Egypt" (roughly a thousand years of sunrises ago) that sucked in thousands of devotees (refer to the thousands of embalmed MAN enclosed in Sarcophagus's) is actually the same repeating scam being attempted today, only now Sarcophagus's are being used in a different way so that the unsuspecting public do not notice what is really going on.

All Intel Operatives and everyone else performing for this Satanic after-life Agenda have been got at. They have all been lied to. There is no eternal after life reward for them.

Be it through drugs, booze, sex, paedophilia, orgasms and other Satanic Rituals like participating in ritual murder and drinking blood, the image power that seduces victims into experiencing the magical wonders of the "dark-side" universe are trauma based, are fantasies and illusions making them all delusional while they remain swept up by the demonic possession of this man-made dark-side.

To us, Aleister Crowley was used as one of the stepping stones of the grand plan ushering in this NWO agenda.

To us, we are clearly making a massive mess of this Satanic fountain-head of "illumination".

We are clear that our souls, and many other souls, live to peacefully kill this black-heart lying dream in this life so that innocent children will never be effected by demonic possession ever again.

It is impossible to be a Freemason/Satanist without being lied to.

All who have sold out to this after-life universe scam have been lied to and all the wondrous occultic dreams that sweeps up devotees into serving this Satanic inspired agenda are lies too.

All who have sold out to this lie are marked forevermore because the lie is the mark of their commitment to committing spiritual suicide in this life.

The mark is DEATH.

They are all marked.

Explanation, instruction, education, suggestion is "NAME" and is the MARK OF THE BEAST that is "The System" of "NAME" (DEATH). The after-life dream-world-universe they are going to is a blatant lie, is fantasy, illusion and delusion and is their eternal death.

All who have been caught up in this lie are deeply traumatised and are completely lost.

Joel, or whoever, is a clear example of this lying madness taking complete hold of him. The lie is running deeply through his veins. He is possessed.

4 August at 03:37

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Arthur Cristian

In need of rest - catch up later. :)

4 August at 03:38

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Arthur Cristian

(Sanitised) wrote to us via Facebook private message today saying: Greetings Arthur and Fiona.... have you seen this? He seems spot on to me and also gets to "remedy" towards the end. It's a long watch but was very engaging throughout. Let me know your take on it. Thanks for all your efforts....they have been very helpful to our family as we endeavor to free ourselves from the "system" and are greatly appreciated. Sincerely, (sanitised)

https://youtu.be/j88BcgzzcTc

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We replied..........

Hi (Sanitised), great to hear from you. smile emoticon To us, the Bases is a massive coordinated Intel Psyop Programming Agenda and almost everyone, if not everyone interviewed are either in on the scam or are brain-controlled Mkultra like victims - all of it is part of bringing in the NWO agenda.

Nearly everything talked about is in 3rd party (non-sense) and never in 1st party (sense).

The matrix is crafted out of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 where all thoughts projected into our brain/head (so to speak) are implanted.

As an innocent child growing up in "The System", all the thoughts we have are borrowed/rented and none are uniquely created by us.

How many unique original thoughts do you have?

As we grow up in the Matrix, we are given thoughts to construct our fake system lives out of and then, when they want to implement changes to "The System", they tweak the thoughts for us to modify and adapt so that we revolutionise* new ideas/thoughts out of all the old collective thoughts we've accumulated.

*We will lead every REVOLUTION (revolutionise) against us. This is what the Freemasonic/Satanic world is all about.

They do this to get us all thinking the way they need us to think to introduce their next version of "The System" AND, we are completely creating that for them because we are projecting their modified images, thus becoming "The System" under another guise. This is what is happening in all these kind of videos, books, etc. Our thoughts are being revolutionised by clever manipulation.

The implanted thoughts accumulate to be the the palette of paint we use to paint the fake life we dream for.

We paint this fake life on the canvass that is "The System", the matrix.

Every thought projected into our heads which we now "own"/"believe"-in, is the intent of the MAN who invented them, projecting the MANS intent there.

The Occupier/possessor is now in your head and therefore is in your life directing you as this MANS robot/drone/slave.

This MAN is now present inside your head.

We are now possessed.

Another MAN is now inside you, using you to create a fake life of you in his image, in the projections of the thoughts this MAN has directed into you/us.

Basically, we are moving from System 1.1 to system 1.2, so to speak, and they have us so cleverly controlled that all they have to do is start disseminating the "new" thoughts they need us to think and then sit back and watch us set it all into motion as willing robots.

The fantasy, illusion and delusion of that tweaking makes us think that we have left the Matrix but we haven't, we are still in it, completely trapped inside a. b. c, 1, 2, 2, 3.

Another MAN is still inside our heads.

Christians call this possessor Satan. To us, Satan is a MAN, no different to all of us who the Freemasons refer to as The Grand Architect, the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 inventor of the dream of "The System", the matrix.

Harald Kautz Vella is promoting a lot of non-sensory cointel psyop programming in and of the matrix to keep everyone trapped in it.

At a fast glance, first impression, to us, Harald is either an Intel Operative in on the scam or is brain-controlled, serving the Freemasonic/Satanic NWO agenda.

To us, (Sanitised), it is back to nature, back to nature, back to nature without anyone else inside our heads anymore.

Anyone for Kindom?

4 August at 21:28

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Arthur Cristian

We've also now blocked Luis C. Rodrigues Coelho - We already warned him before a few times about slander. Over the past few months and on a few occasions we have confronted him to back his claims about us, to bring forward 1st party evidence and he is yet to do this and instead prefers to continue attacking our characters. He has found nothing. All he offers is 3rd party commentary and that's it. He does what Joel continued to do in this thread.

An example of where we are really coming from.........

If you cannot fully comprehend the clearly defined distinction between SENSE and NON-SENSE, there is nothing more that we can offer you, to help you along the journey of your life here and now.

If you can SENSE then you will sense our intentions through all our interactions with you thus far, but if you cannot sense, then you can only re-present non-sense.

The way it works is like this.......

You are a radar and us coming into your life shows up as a blimp on your radar but if we are NOT on your radar then you are projecting a story-telling about us to be the blimp on your radar, and if you do this, then we are NOT there, and instead, only the thoughts, e-motions, etc, you have imagined out of thin air (SUPERIMPOSED OVER US) is what is being projected.

Did the sensory-living-life-form (plant) tell you directly that it was a daffodil, is yellow, etc, (SENSE) or did another man/woman put all that information including a scientific explanation in your head (NON-SENSE).

Which one?

Is the plant on your radar (SENSE) or are you projecting the storytelling of the plant to be the blimp on your radar (NON-SENSE)?

Luis projects his 3rd party storytelling on to us making it out that this storytelling is actually coming from us and that it is of our intention, of our values, of our lives/reality, etc, when the fact is Luis made it all up.

The blimp on Luis's radar is the one he is projecting there - we are NOT there. Luis prefers to impersonate us, to commit fraud by acting as a 3rd party impostor of us. When we ask him to back his claims he can't bring forward 1st parties, all he can bring forward is Luis acting as an impostor of us in 3rd party, Luis enjoys making up commentary about us, so we pissed him off. He lacks sincerity and purity of intention. Luis just wants to create controversies (chaos) where there aren't any.

It is Luis who is performing black magic here, esoterics and the occults being part of black-magic. The truth us, it is Luis performing the claims he has made about us...as he said in his last post above........... "what he is promoting is the jewish cabala...althought he doesn't want to admit it or doesn't want to see it.."

LOLLLLLLLLL

The claim Luis made is the reflection in Luis's mirror being projected by Luis on to us, but in fact we are not on Luis radar because he projected an image of us into his mirror (radar) so that he can reflect it (the blimp he placed there) from there. We are not there. And so the projection of us on Luis's Radar is ONLY in Luis's image, imagined/invented by Luis. = non-sense.

4th August 2015 at 21:18

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Tyranny Of Goodness Explained

24th April 2015

Link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918/permalink/1454752581483...

This Facebook discussion started over the latest video made by Prince Ea called Sorry
https://www.facebook.com/PrinceEaHipHop/videos/10153278998454769/?fref=n... - Discussion copied from this thread: https://www.facebook.com/dana.clark.90038/posts/818153924889052

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Dana Clark shared Prince Ea's video.

21 April at 01:22

Thank you, Prince EA, for reminding me why I quit smoking yesterday - for the Life/Nature/Creation of which I am a part. Do no harm. <3

https://www.facebook.com/PrinceEaHipHop/videos/10153278998454769/?fref=n...

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Arthur Cristian

Very good. (Y)

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Dana Clark

<3

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Fizz Gig

The message in this video is good, BUT the (Stand For Trees) gimmick promoted at the end is sadly a typical feel good pa$$ the buck scheme; "purchase a Stand For Trees certificate to help protect forests" um great more controlled opposition.... yawn. This may sound unconventional lol but how about instead of throwing away responsibility via a credit card for a good guy badge, people be encouraged and inspired to plant trees?

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Arthur Cristian

Agreed, we saw that too. Feel good cause while still being the live-in consumers of "The System". Nothing much has really changed. Glad you noticed it too Fizz. <3 :) (Y)

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Jaba Art

Sorry (sorrow) is giving up instead to take responsibility NOW! <3

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Arthur Cristian

(Y)

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Arthur Cristian

Thanks Jaba for putting us on to this new song <3 :) (Y)

Awesome.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8-3lGU7Y-g
Back 2 the Basics • Dub FX & FRASE
1 take video of Dub and FRASE acoustic jamming 'Back 2 the Basics'

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Jaba Art

I knew the artist before but this one is beyond :) (Y)

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Dana Clark

Fizz - I agree.

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Dana Clark

Jaba - he makes that distinction and switches course 3/4ths of the way through. :)

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Dana Clark

....but even then, he's speaking as if coming from the future and everything is already wasted because we didn't take action now. In other words, he's trying to drive home a point. He's not trying to imply that saying sorry makes up/is sufficient reparation for failing to do the right thing. He's trying to imply that all we'll be left with is some measly word/feeling such as sorry. Regret. <3 :)

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Jaba Art

70-80% truth ... the problem are always"the solutions" and the missing 20-30% ;)

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Dana Clark

Not exactly sure what you're getting at but it's probably not very far-fetched that MAN would be left with one huge heap of regret for failure to take action today.

And....before finding LFL who of us was aware of the remedy? I will not criticize one who has yet to become aware of it because I was there myself before finding LFL, and my intentions were indeed quite good.

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Dana Clark

Perhaps Prince EA should be contacted and made aware of LFL's work/true remedy and, depending upon his response, then and only then would we see if he was worthy of criticism? Right? :) <3

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Jaba Art

Have not a single little doubt on your intentions Dana Clark!!! What i'm saying is ... as we always talk is what the message finally really makes ... i don't know prince and after the intensity he put into the words ... it does not look like what to spread a manipulated message! Many want to make something and something GOOD! This is ones of the basic in manipulation ... Good intentions are manipulated ... because the IN-FORMATION is not correct and the consequences are hidden!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1kOceuf6UQ
Brainwash Technic NO 5 Goodwill and Good Intentions...

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Dana Clark

What misinfo is there in the main message? Not talking about the pitch at the end.

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Scott Andrews

In this system everyone must be scrutinized, until there is no harm left, and we can stop cutting away the lies. Everything we think feel and do, must also be scrutinized. There is no harm in doing this, and any Man who stands by truth willingly opens up to be scrutinized, because they have nothing to hide.

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Jaba Art

Scott <3 Andrews (Y)

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Scott Andrews

<3 :)

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Dana Clark

Well, if we knew him personally we could invite him to this conversation and let him speak for himself. Until then, all there is to go on is the fact that this man is reaching MILLIONS of people with a message that maybe would have never crossed many of their minds before now.

And while the message does lack remedy - as did mine for 14 years - it stands to cause much more good than harm.

Scrutinize, sure...no problem. But there is a point where one can go overboard. And I'm seeing this a lot on FB.

Let's face it, if everyone within The System could mentally go from A to B in one shot - from System mentality to kindom mentality - there would be no great problem facing MAN here because the deprogramming would have already happened on a massive scale.

Messages like Prince EA's, while maybe not perfect, DO stand to do a lot of good.

Waking up is a process, not a sudden epiphany. ;) <3

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Jaba Art

The "reach million of people" is exactly the dangerous part! And if the whole video spread another illusion and no real questioning about what NOT DO instead DO!!! Sorry (Sorrow) this is the main title ... and will probably be the thing that will stick in the minds ... is yes recognising that something is wrong ... but give a kind of GUILTY feeling ...

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Jaba Art

Dana Clark i played in front of thousands of people and have millions of hits on youtube ... i came to a point where i had to stop because i realise i was promoting the exact opposite of what i really want in the beginning! I ALWAYS was aware that the POWER MUSIC have and when they are listening 1000 of time the same words this is going SOOO DEEP and even for the ones who don't speak the language! That as artist we really have to be aware word by word what we are singing CHANTING ENCHANTMENT ...!

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Dana Clark

"Sorry (Sorrow) this is the main title ... and will probably be the thing that will stick in the minds"

....yes, and MAN will definitely be damn well sorry/full of sorrow, AND regret, AND guilt, AND every other pathetic, shameful feeling if MAN does not step up to the plate right now and do what is right.

Precisely the message Prince Ea is conveying. Still cannot see what the argument/issue is here?

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Jaba Art

We CAN'T change the past ... we can't change the future ... there is only NOW and what we do, feel, think and SAY!

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Jaba Art

Ok then the subjects and the "solution" Is a pure propaganda for of maybe good intended people who want to do something good (Y) But will it really change something to support this tree organisation??? He talk about GLOBAL WARMING... "EQUAL RIGHTS" "GLOBUS" "UNIVERS" this are all FIX indoctrinated IDEAS!

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Arthur Cristian

True remedy is NEVER in 3rd party....

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Arthur Cristian

Dana, Prince Ea has no remedy that gets MAN out of "The System" in this life = "The Tyranny Of Goodness" continues.

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Arthur Cristian

Jaba Art did you make this up "The Tyranny Of Goodness" ???

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Jaba Art

Good friend of mine gave me the hint. Will ask if it his thought!

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Arthur Cristian

Jesus was/is Good, where did it leave billions of MAN?

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Arthur Cristian

Buddha, Mohamed, Moses, etc, etc, etc, thousands and thousands of "Good" symbols/mantras/stories, etc, - where did these symbols/mantras/stories, leave billions of MAN???

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Arthur Cristian

How is Prince Ea inspiring MAN to depart "The Tyranny Of Goodness"???

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Jaba Art

Yeah same for the ordinary secretary in the community office who have to write a letter to trow a whole family out of their house .... and SHE IS SO SORRY!!!

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Arthur Cristian

(Y)

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Arthur Cristian

Dana Clark, get your head around this thread, it's the same scam ("Tyranny Of Goodness") under another guise.... https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918/1454467474844926

Michael E. V. Knight? - Love for Life Kindoms
https://youtu.be/dppF1SZ_dyk
Global Freedom Movement 19 April 2015

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Arthur Cristian

Apologies, we've not had the "time" to read this whole thread, we just read the last few comments - why we replied.

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Dana Clark

Again.... "What misinfo is there in the main message? Not talking about the pitch at the end."

And not saying he is supplying remedy. In fact, I stated the contrary. But his message still stands to do some good. Refer to my earlier statement, people cannot go from A to B in one shot.

Global warming? He said Climate Change.

But whether "Global Warming" or "Climate Change" and whether purported "manmade" or not - as there is a huge difference in implication - and whether ice is really melting or not....

...it is most certainly 3rd party - until we are there at the poles to see the ice melting or not melting for ourselves.

But what I have most certainly been a 1st party to is the fact that the seasons are not what they used to be here in California for several years now. In other words, I have been a 1st party witness/had direct experience of some kind of change within the climate, regardless of its origin.

And, even if its origin is natural - perhaps it is the Earth trying to shake us off like the parasites that we are? Do we really KNOW the WHY? Entertaining this possibility, then, yes....we would need to change our ways to stop it. And if so, then Prince Ea's message would still apply in a way. But to go in circles over this is no remedy either and therefore, pointless.

Lol - I used to go the extreme other way and BELIEVE all the 3rd party info that Manmade Global Warming was a load of shit. Which I still feel has the best odds of being true, but, at the end of the day, It's all 3rd party hearsay, no matter which side one stands on. ;)

I found incredible inspiration in Prince Ea's video. But I am already so incredibly filled with/bursting with inspiration and growing every day due to the massive changes I have made in my intent over the past year or so and culminating with this smoking thing, that I could probably find inspiration in anything - regardless of what it actually said. LOL. My bad. But....not really. ;) Am ready TO GET ON WITH IT. (kindom).... <3

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Arthur Cristian

"Nice" politicians kissing babies = "Tyranny Of Goodness"

"Nice" smiling banking commercial with new customers getting a loan or mortgage all very happy and joyful = "Tyranny Of Goodness"

"Nice" MacDonald, Red Rooster, Pizza Hut etc, = "Tyranny Of Goodness"

"Nice" sweet tasting lolly with very pretty shiny wrapper - shame they don't warn everyone (idiot friendly full-disclosure) about the MSG, Aspartame, White Sugar contained , highly toxic poisons, etc = "Tyranny Of Goodness"

etc

etc

etc

In "The System" of fakeness, we are completely drowning in "niceness" = "Tyranny Of Goodness". Look at the "state" of MAN and MANS Earth???

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Arthur Cristian

Without providing THE BIG PICTURE = FULL-DISCLOSURE, the information becomes/is mis-info... Everyone is being misled..

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Arthur Cristian

Prince Ea's message is mis-info. The big picture is NOT included.

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Arthur Cristian

This fact also clearly reveals just how big the FULL-RESPONSIBILITY is to be a parent, to be a source of inspiration/guidance = wisdom keeper = caretaker, custodian steward of the dream of life, etc...

We must not lie.

Lying = doing harm.

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Jaba Art

Another example would be the song HAPPY in a moment where everything get worse!

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Arthur Cristian

The "Tyranny Of Goodness" is always in 3rd party.

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Arthur Cristian

We learn to lie - we are not created liars - we are trained to lie = born in original sin.

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Dana Clark

Yes, Arthur, but not everyone has worked out the big picture yet. Lol - aside from you and Fiona, who has? Done the actual work, figuring everything out themself? Yet, it is so easy for us (those of us made aware by all yours and Fiona's hard work) to be hyper-judgemental and critical of others who haven't worked it out either, and also have the misfortune of not being exposed to/aware of it as well? We point the finger, yet, were it not for us finding LFL's site/message, we would be just as lost as the rest of them.

Like I said - why not bring the awareness of true remedy to Prince Ea and then see what he decides? The ultimate litmus test. Give him the chance....

Who knows....maybe he will be willing to see and acknowledge and start spreading the idea of kindom? Wouldn't that be something?!

If not, then we would know for sure. Innocent until proven guilty, right?

If you see his message as mis-info rather than dis-info then that is good (as far as any potential in purity of intent). I say we contact him and see.... :)

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Arthur Cristian

The Greatest Lie And Liar Is The One Closest To The Truth = "Tyranny Of Goodness".

The "Tyranny Of Goodness", the liar, the lie, causes the greatest damage of all.

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Jaba Art

99% truth is still a LIE! Harm and a CURSE on everyone who TRUST this LIE!!!

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Jaba Art

WE ALL KNOW IT ... now it depend the amount of trauma that is around to block this KNOWLEDGE! SENSE!

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Arthur Cristian

Innocent or not, they/us/anyone who lies is/are doing harm, is causing harm. A lie is a lie is a lie is a lie is a lie...................

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Dana Clark

Is he lying? Or misguided?

Misinfo? Or disinfo?

Possess any redeeming qualities or no?

Worthy of unconditional love (and therefore a chance) or no?

Oh well, I tried to give the man a chance - something every single one of us deserve as we try to make our way out of the System programming of our minds. LOL.

Have a site to work on and Prince Ea is just not at the top of priorities. And so bid you adieu.... :) <3

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Arthur Cristian

Yes, we should contact him, to inspire him to rise up above the lying. We have to raise each other up and out of "The System" of lying in this life. The Kindom message lives to rise up MAN out of lying. TRUTH always has the higher standing. There are multi millions of MAN that must be inspired to rise up above above all the lies, all the "Tyranny Of Goodness". If we do not create the light of truth there will be no light of truth for those lost to the darkness of lies ("Tyranny Of Goodness") to return to. This is our living passion for Kindom.

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Arthur Cristian

Off to bed... <3 :) (Y)

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Jaba Art

Only the manipulated ... manipulate ... only the traumatised ... traumatise ... only the LIAR ... LIE ... innocent (unconscious) conscious per purpose does not matter ... what matter is WHAT WE DO ... OR NOT! And Dana Clark don't really know why you take this so personal ... are YOU Prince Era? We have to question EVERYONE and EVERYTHING! There have not to be any EMOTIONAL attachment to 3rd party! <3

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Scott Andrews

Everyone is worthy of undconditional love Dana :-P

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Scott Andrews

Agree that we should definitely contact him. Let us see if he is inspired to create the solution to all this harm he speaks of. <3

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Dana Clark

Nothing personal Jaba, this is just the very reason I have grown weary of FB. The debating, etc I find to be a massive distraction and quite draining. And is most-likely found to be quite satisfactory by Intel as everyone remains distracted by debate, opinions, etc instead of offline doing, doing, doing.

I've spent the past 14 years debating and I'm over it. People are going to SEE when they are ready to see and only then. I just want to DO now, not try to get people to see.

And, in reality, these controlled opposition personages (what you are saying Ea is, right?) are a stepping stone as one moves along in the process of waking up.

Most people are not ready to digest what these CO's have to say - lies and all. And, unless one has got to the point where they are already - to a greater or lesser degree - the choir, they sure as hell are not ready to digest LFL's info. Again: A to B not going to happen.

The stepping stones of controlled opposition are where I learned enough to even be ready for, and to recognize the value in, LFL's message.

It's not so black and white/rigid in that these CO's are pure evil and nothing good can come from listening to them.

A whole heck of a lot of good came for me - what ultimately led me to LFL. Take the golden nuggets of what they say - of which Prince Ea has many - and leave the rest. ESPECIALLY for those just starting to wake up. There IS something of value for them here and elsewhere.

We all need to keep in mind that there is still so much we do not know and not a one of us has it all - everything - figured out. That's all.

And with this I think I'm going to take another break from FB so I can do something important that actually energizes me as I get happy in progressing and learning and succeeding.

Again, nothing personal taken or given. Much love instead. :) <3

Au revoir. (Y)

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Arthur Cristian

Correction to our first comment posted in this thread....

Very Good (Y)

now changed to

Not So Very Good - LOLLLLLLLLLLLL

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Jaba Art

Scrutiny is part of the "awakening" you are talking about Dana Clark. The distraction is Prince Ea and his sorry message ... the draining part is when emotional attachments are involved in questionings believe! Truth is very awakening and stimulating! Ask you this question WHY this attachment to Prince ea and the the wish to wake up the MANY ... i'm there to sometimes and discover myself to get trap pen in doing, thinking saying things that are NOT MY THOUGHTS ...

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Arthur Cristian

Exactly...... we can't save/rescue anyone.*** Yes, we can debate, use scrutiny, etc, but we each have to be the freedom we live for, live the truth we stand for. If we are not living truth, being freedom here and now in present-sense, etc, THEN WHERE IS IT?????

*** Not saying that we should not pull someone out of the wreckage of a car on fire or from a dangerous rushing river, etc, - of course we must do this. It's the free-will "state" between the ears we are referring to. We are not saying that we should not reach out to anyone - we've been doing that full on for 10 years now. We are just saying to not have any e-motional attachments (rose coloured glass expectations) to any outcomes, to everything we choose to do. That we do what we do because we see life is a gift on a do no harm path, that we don't own truth or land or children/MAN, etc.... and instead we gift the dream of life with our creations of life.... <3 :) (Y)

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Arthur Cristian

Dana Clark, We all need to be regularly tested, to be deeply challenged by truth. If our hearts are in the "right" place, we will go where truth takes us because we live for Do No Harm, we live for a way of life without lies, without lying. It is so very important that we welcome these type of regular discussions/debates into our real lives so we can be sure we truly are on the do no harm path and not on a twisted manipulated make-believe (faked) version of it.

This thread clearly reveals that the work of Prince Ea fully supports the New World Order. For more on all this read the other Facebook thread we put up yesterday https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918/1454467474844926 as it clearly shows how "The Tyranny Of Goodness" that IS the New World Order continues on under another guise.

From this thread: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10206459710479628 Global Freedom Movement 19 April 2015 - Brendan D Murphy And Aimee Devlin Interviews Murrumu Walubara Yidindji - Sovereign Yidinji Government - https://youtu.be/dppF1SZ_dyk - We (Arthur & Fiona Cristian) watched this interview. Throughout Queensland, most, if not all the traditional tribal lands once protected by Mabo, have since been put under Land Councils (trusts/foundations/etc) that are tied under "The Crown" as in the corporations = "Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander) Act 2006 and the Native Title Act (Cth) 1993."

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Lezli Dee Howard

Your whole post has been blacked out so I cannot read it. Sheez.

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Arthur Cristian

We will put it up on the Love For Life website shortly. We are just doing some background checks on the treaty's behind the land councils that permits the smooth transition from the Commonwealth to the Yidindji government. This is no different to the labour party being booted out of government and the liberal party coming into power yet the system continues to roll along smoothly. Lezli Dee Howard are you able to read this comment?

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Arthur Cristian

Is anyone else having this problem Lezli Dee Howard is having? "Your whole post has been blacked out so I cannot read it. Sheez."

Just now

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Bruno Ferro

Lezli Dee Howard I can see this whole post, I am using Mac and Safari browser.

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Lezli Dee Howard

I read it by not using the FB app on the iPhone, but using the Safari browser. Thanks for your concern. It was the first time I had seen such overt censorship.

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Arthur Cristian

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

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Arthur Cristian

The Yidindgi Government is an INTEL OPERATION - Jeremy Geia (Murrumu) sold out long ago... Those who interviewed Murrumu are in on the Intel scam or are TOO DUMB AND STUPID TO SEE/SENSE IT and therefore are useful to the Freemasons/Satanists orchestrating all these events behind the scenes.

We had a chat with Michael Ghillar Anderson (http://nationalunitygovernment.org + Tent Embassy Canberra) today and he fully agrees that the Yidindgi Tribe Government is a farce. More on all this shortly.

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Arthur Cristian

Had another brief phone chat with Michael Ghillar Anderson this afternoon and he says there is NOTHING of the law behind the Yidindgi Government, no law based arrangement (trusts/foundation/treaties etc) between the Commonwealth Of Australia and the Yidindgi Tribe/Governent, that it is just a tiny group of 6 people in on the scam trying to pull of a big bluff.

Also, our mate Bruno just told us that Murrumu is half Serbian and half Aboriginal, that he ain't a full blood and that Murrumy (Jeremy Geia) admits this in a radio interview..... will post link here ASAP.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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Arthur Cristian

Link: http://nationalunitygovernment.org/search/node/treaty

Search | Sovereign Union - First Nations Asserting Sovereignty

nationalunitygovernment.org

Ghillar Michael Anderson was the research director for Treaty-Makarrata and International Political Issues for the National Aboriginal ... between State, Territory and the National Government on the Treaty-Makarrata. As part of his terms of reference he was required to travel ...

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Arthur Cristian

Treaty - Makarrata - Treaty
A Reflection by Michael Anderson
Media Release January 2011

Treaty - Makarrata - Treaty

INTRODUCTION:

Ghillar Michael Anderson was the research director for Treaty-Makarrata and International Political Issues for the National Aboriginal Conference from 1981 to 1985. He was responsible for organising National Community Consultations and Consultations between State, Territory and the National Government on the Treaty-Makarrata.

As part of his terms of reference he was required to travel overseas to the United States, Canada New Zealand and the United Kingdom to look at and study Treaty making processes in those countries.

At the request of the NAC sub-committee on the Treaty-Makarrata, Michael convened a committee of experts in the field of Political Science, Law and Economy who worked with the NAC Treaty-Makarrata Sub-committee on the development of an 'Ambit Claim' that was to form the basis from which negotiations would commence.

Michael resigned from this position when the National Chairman advised the Senate Standing Committee on Constitutional and Legal Affairs that the NAC would no longer be pursuing the Treaty-Makarrata.

TREATY - MAKARRATA - TREATY
A Reflection
by Ghillar Michael Anderson
Media Release January 2011

My knowledge of the call for a Treaty was aroused when the Capital Hill Aboriginal Embassy protesters birthed the notion in 1979. At the time I was studying law at the University of New South Wales and employed as an instructing officer with the New South Wales Department of Public Prosecutions and Clerk of the Peace in the District Courts Criminal law division.

To the great surprise of many, the then Prime Minister of Australia, Mr Malcolm Fraser, publicly announced that his Government would enter into real and meaningful negotiations for a Treaty. He also made it very clear that his Government was only prepared to negotiate the same with the only nationally elected Aboriginal body in Australia the National Aboriginal Conference (NAC).

At this time Dr H. C. (Nugget) Coombs established a white Treaty support committee (The Aboriginal Treaty Committee). This body was to promote the Treaty proposal within the white community in order to educate and encourage national support.

In 1981 I accepted an offer from the former National Aboriginal Conference to be the Research Director, Treaty and National and International Political Issues. At the time of my appointment, the then National Aboriginal Conference had advanced the call for a Treaty to such a significant point that it had already begun extensive community consultations promoting a number of politically significant points for national discussion. (See the initial discussion brochure circulated by the NAC1.)

Having taken up my position I soon realised that the NAC had had numerous discussions with the Government and that talks were well advanced on the topic. In fact, the Government had been provided with detailed legal advice on the political and legal ramifications of a Treaty.

In the advice of 28 July1980, the Federal Attorney-General's Office argued that the Government should avoid the use of the term Treaty because of its International connotations. The advice went on to also say that the National Aboriginal Conference, being the only nationally elected body, represented national unity and that they could legitimately argue for acceptance as a federation of Nations using the American Indian models, thereby calling for a right of self-determination under international law.2 It was stated in the advice that in any agreement the Government must be explicit in their terminologies in order to ensure that such rights would not be automatic and that international law would not be applicable to this Makarrata/Treaty.

The first sub-committee of the NAC consisted of Mr W. (Bill) Bird [NSW] the then National Chairman of the NAC, Ms Lois O'Donoghue [SA], Mr Cedric Jacobs [WA], Peter (now deceased) from Galiwinku (Elcho Island) [NT], Mr Jim Beiundurry (now deceased) from the Kimberleys [WA].

1981 was also an election year for the NAC, the outcome of which not only witnessed a change in elected personnel, but it assembled a more aggressive, politically aware body of Aboriginal People.

The new Treaty sub-committee was confronted with a fairly modest set of Treaty discussion points and set about increasing the community consultations. What was to follow in the next three and a half years has never been equalled in terms of the number of communities visited individually. There were some regional meetings such as that which took place at Toowoomba. The other community consultations saw the NAC visit almost every community in Victoria with the only exception being that of Geelong and the Portland area. In the Northern Territory, we visited every Community from Docker River to Tennant Creek. The chairman of the Queensland Branch of the NAC Mr Steve Mam and his staff representative, Mr Bill Lowah, organised for us to visit several communities in the Torres Strait Islands, where I can proudly say that the notion of a territory controlled by the Torres Strait Islander peoples for the people and by the people was concluded.

In New South Wales numerous centres were visited but the more expansive consultations were planned for a later date.

Having conducted the community consultations, we assembled a number of eminent professors as our panel of advisers who were to work with us after we had analysed the data from the consultations. Members of this body were Professor Colin Tatz, Mr Brian Keon-Cohen (Barrister), and on some occasions Professor Garth Nettheim's advice was sought. Dr Coombs was approached to participate but he declined.

The primary function of this body was to sit with us and talk about the socio-economic, legal and political implications of the matters being proposed for the ambit claims that were being developed.

The NAC National Executive had met and were continually meeting with Government Ministers and on several occasions. They met with State Government Ministers on matters surrounding the formulation of issues that were being developed as the ambit claim. In fact the NAC were advised that all preliminary discussions on the points were to be put to the State Government for their consideration while at the same time providing copies for consideration of the National Federal Government.

At this time the NAC provided resources for me to travel overseas to study some of the Treaties that existed in other parts of the world, e.g. Canada, USA and New Zealand. I also went to England to look at the documents that assembled Scotland, Ireland, Wales and England into a single State called the United Kingdom. The development of the United Kingdom provided the basis for an understanding of co-existence under a single Government. Things have changed now. However, the changes that have occurred in the United Kingdom, that is, the granting of independent state governments in Wales and Scotland represent the way in which the NAC were heading in terms of co-existence and independence, represented by a single National (Federal) Government.

The NAC had prepared 27 points for discussion and had circulated them widely. The points were to provide topics for in depth and thoughtful debate. Interestingly enough, a major point that represented pre-negotiation concessions was a point that contributed to the demise of the Makarrata/Treaty process.

"Sovereignty" was viewed by some Aboriginal leaders as an unrealistic ambition. The key opposition argument from these Aboriginal leaders said that "Sovereignty" was an issue that could bog us down in years of debate, and that other matters had greater need for representations. That was "Land Rights" and because the Aboriginal opposition refused to talk to the Makarrata/Treaty body they failed to realise that the NAC had been in the process of developing a Land Rights Regime for National discussion but this proposal never saw the light of day.

This opposition came primarily from the Federation of Aboriginal Land Councils. Dr Coombs had assisted in developing and arranging funding for the Federation which held its first meeting in 1981. Members of the Federation included land councils and yet to be established land councils from around Australia. This opposition known through individual and collective submissions to the appointed Senate Standing Committee on Constitutional and Legal Affairs National Enquiry into the Legal and Constitutional feasibility of entering into a Makarrata/Treaty between the National Government and the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples of Australia.3

The amount of lobbying and internal infighting within the NAC between the pro-Makarrata people and the supporters of the newly formed National Federation of Aboriginal Land Councils took its toll. Finally the whole of the NAC succumbed because of a power struggle between the few. Without the new Labor Government support the NAC met its fate and the members of the Federation of Aboriginal Land Councils were accepted by the Labor Government then to be a truer representation of National Aboriginal issues.

In conclusion I merely wish to add that the very fact that we are all independent nations and peoples with one law the "Dreaming" should not be ignored. It is this that makes us a unique people in being the oldest peoples and culture on this earth because we observed the 'rules'. Any future Treaty discussions and plans must be cognisant of this at all times otherwise we will create a recipe for disaster that can and will cause an implosion that we will never recover from.

Having made these reflections I squirm at an opportunity lost. Looking at the current policies and policy objectives of the National and State Governments, it does not surprise me to realise that the talk of a Treaty proposal now takes centre stage because all else has failed.

Government policy objectives now see the implementation of most of the 27 points that had already been developed by the NAC. Only this time they have been appropriated by Government who now call them their own and implement them on their terms and conditions. Many of those who opposed a Treaty back in the early 80's are now supporting the call for a TREATY today.

In making these reflections I merely seek to have people think of our common objectives and not seek to locate differences. Personalities and egos should not and can not play a role in this type of development. We are losing in more ways than one and it is now time to once again look at our hopes and aspirations and seek to work together in the peoples' interest and not our own.

Notes

1. National Aboriginal Conference, Sub-committee on the Makarrata, Makarrata Report, Woden, ACT, 1980

2. Letter from Attorney-General's Department to Department of Aboriginal Affairs, 28 July 1980. MS 4000. National Aboriginal Conference Papers. Held at AIATSIS Library.. Parliament of Australia, Senate Standing Committee on Constitutional Affairs.

Reference:

an examination of the feasibility, whether by way of constitutional amendment or other legal means of securing a compact or 'Makarrata' between the Commonwealth Government and Aboriginal Australians, 1983 : (official Hansard transcript of evidence), Canberra : Govt. Printer of Australia, 1983.

PDF

"Treaty - Makarrata - Treaty A Reflection" Paper written by Michael Ghillar Anderson (link is external) (pdf) © Ghillar Michael Anderson
https://sites.google.com/site/treatyrepublicfilebank/pdf-1/Treaty-Makarr...

Link: http://nationalunitygovernment.org/content/treaty-makarrata-treaty-refle...

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Arthur Cristian

See also:

'That Word' Treaty (very important must read covering the big picture - copied below)
http://nationalunitygovernment.org/content/word-treaty

and

A Sovereign Treaty is the only constitutional reform with the potential of justice for Aboriginal Nations and Peoples
http://nationalunitygovernment.org/content/sovereign-treaty-only-constit...

and

Constitutional recognition, Treaty and Sovereign Rights
http://nationalunitygovernment.org/content/constitutional-recognition-tr...

and

A poor man's treaty: the 'con' in constitutional reform
http://nationalunitygovernment.org/content/poor-mans-treaty-con-constitu...

and

Commonsense and good faith buried under balance sheets and destruction
http://nationalunitygovernment.org/content/commonsense-and-good-faith-bu...

and

more info to be found here: http://nationalunitygovernment.org/search/node/treaty

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Continuation of the discussion: https://www.scribd.com/doc/262926985/The-Tyranny-of-Goodness-Explained-F...

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Arthur Cristian

Continuation of the discussion: https://www.scribd.com/doc/262926985/The-Tyranny-of-Goodness-Explained-F...

24th April 2015

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Arthur James

Interesting thread. First off, as an artist I gotta say this guy brings it real and I appreciate what he's doing. Is he a tool of "The System"? IMHO the attempts I've seen on this thread to slap that label on him seem rather condescending and self-righteous.

In addressing this I'll put forth an idea I haven't seen explored in depth on any thread so far:

In reality all life is movement.

All the dis-ease in human societies is a manifestation of the dis-ease in our bodies which is present because of a lack of authentic movement. What LFL people call "The System" is just a symptom or an outgrowth of our internal condition of stagnation."The System" is a blanket term for a plethora of conceptual overlays which when valued result in inhibition or lack of life flow through our bodies and ends up with people becoming breeding grounds for dis-ease by valuing concepts more than the movement of life through their bodies.

Once this stagnation becomes intolerable (and it always does because nobody can stop the flow of life) we act out by pitting the conceptual story we value against others that we see and proceed to "do battle". The dance of violence and oppression is really just people battling with their beliefs and I don't think it's honest of anyone to say they aren't participating in this dance to some degree. My observation is we all do this and will most likely continue to until our ability to be conceptual is fully integrated into the authentic movement of our bodies.

Part of what I see in this thread and LFL in general is a tendency toward voluminous verbiage scrutinizing "The System" and pointing an accusing finger at those who are part of it. This is done in a way which seems to act as yet another complicated conceptual overlay. From my experience having a conceptual paradigm that is put forth as being more truthful than another conceptual paradigm is always rooted in an attempt to be superior or "do battle" and come out on top.

I've noticed the tendency to take up a "superior" position based on conceptual overlays is a game that white men often play due to a deep seated fear of being physically inferior to men of other races. I speak from my own experience as a white man and feel/observe this pattern in this thread. It's not bad or shameful but I feel strongly it's something to be aware of as we move forward with creating new societies based on honesty and trust.

The way to flush this disease out of our bodies is by allowing real life movement to flow and being honest about our deepest fears can ground that movement in very powerful and life changing ways. This type of honesty naturally leads to the vulnerability which gets underneath all conceptual overlays and eventually stabilizes the living truth in us. When we are flowing in living truth we naturally bond to those around us in an authentic way which builds the trust so necessary for any society not based on the dominant/submissive paradigm to sustain and grow.

24th April 2015 at 21:36

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Dominic Toomey

this is predictive programming in support of agenda21 whether he realized it or not, and he didn't cause he did, he's beeing and doing,,right fiona

24th April 2015 at 21:59

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Arthur Cristian

The end goal of Kindom is to set MAN free from being underneath each other. Besides doing harm, to no longer be answerable to another MAN for anything. We've covered the ground of this subject in great detail over the years and the home page of the LFL website encapsulates this http://loveforlife.com.au.

Arthur James almost everything you have written here are just your 3rd party opinions made up by you, none of which are ours in 1st party, of our intentions, our interests, our values, our lives, our dreams, etc, and none of which you will find in our writings. They do not exist for us. We are not compelled by them (3rd parties / 3rd party storytelling).

However, coming out of "The System" has us presently be severely compromised because we've spent many years since "early child"hood" lost to the daily practise of 3rd party storytelling that it is now a gradual transition back to 1st party lives, in this life, co-creating the purity and sincerity of uncorrupted MAN = paradise/Kindom. Meaning, we do not want to be part of a 3rd party slave system anymore and we are doing the very best we can to return to 1st party full-responsibility/liability for land, water, food, shelter, family, tribe/community/nature, etc, in this life.... = setting each other free from being underneath (enslaved) to each other which is what "The System" is all about.

Conceptual overlays are always in 3rd party, are beliefs (re-presenting "intellectual property"), are "system thoughts", of education, instruction, explanation, etc, are trauma based and they are not natural to us.

Everything in 3rd party is not natural.

They are what Dominic Toomey shared, "predictive programming".

Innocent or not, intentional or not, It is clear for all to see that this thread shows how Prince EA peddles 3rd party predictive programming = "The Tyranny Of Goodness".

Over the years, many of us (1st parties) now part of this new Kindom group have used scrutiny, discussion and debate, to rout out 3rd party "predictive programming" = storytelling the image power of other men and women, 3rd parties telling us how to think, feel and act about every aspect of our 1st party lives.

None of us are into dominating others through the act of 3rd party storytelling. .

Removing all forms of unnatural 3rd party intrusion into our lives is what Kindom is all about, is what we're all into.

This can't be done when we are reacting to trauma (re-presenting e-motional storytelling = reactions to trauma, the 3rd party storytelling).

As we say life is for the living (always in first party) so we agree about the flow of life, of the true freedom of MANS consciousness unrestricted by the imposition of another MANS (3rd party) image power.

24th April 2015 at 23:43

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Arthur Cristian

Also, we are not making anything "personal" with the MAN, Prince EA, we don't know the guy, have not lived with him, have had no intimidate, private dealings with him.

We are just scrutinising what he is saying and contrasting that to the bigger picture we see/sense that is "The System" in 3rd party and is Kindom/Paradise, in 1st party.

We use scrutiny as an intense blow torch, we put up all beliefs, 3rd party information/storytelling to the test of scrutiny to see how they stack up and none so far do, they all collapse to the ground because there is nothing living there in 1st party and therefore are of no value or importance to us.

We just move on which is what is happening here in this thread - we are not being stuck in a predictive program to entertain us with, forming belief systems of worship (distractions) containing no remedy that gets all of MAN out of "The System" of slavery in this life never to return.

24 April at 23:16

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Arthur James

I was simply making observations based on experience and stated them as such. It's easy for me to see that what's happening here is that someone has created a conceptual paradigm they are using to make sense of the world and they value that paradigm. It's simple human nature and it;s also what we need to stop doing if we're going to have sustainable relationships.

Here's n example of you putting yourself in the judgement seat:

//'"Nice" politicians kissing babies = "Tyranny Of Goodness"
"Nice" smiling banking commercial with new customers getting a loan or mortgage all very happy and joyful = "Tyranny Of Goodness"
"Nice" MacDonald, Red Rooster, Pizza Hut etc, = "Tyranny Of Goodness"
"Nice" sweet tasting lolly with very pretty shiny wrapper - shame they don't warn everyone (idiot friendly full-disclosure) about the MSG, Aspartame, White Sugar contained , highly toxic poisons, etc = "Tyranny Of Goodness"//

You move from depicting a very human act of affection toward less affectionate yet still pleasant human interaction and end with toxic chemicals and put them all under a nice label you've made up called "Tyranny of Goodness". You also changed your response to the video and joke about it as if your now "in the know" about it's motive and/or the affect it will have on life. I see this attitude in lots of your writing. You're using language to defend a position of judgment, Arthur Cristian, when the truth is the "Tyranny of Goodness" doesn't exist and is itself a 3rd party reference. Where is this "Tyranny of Goodness" besides in your conceptual ramblings? Apparently you've studied oodles of conceptual information and formed opinions about some things. Okay, but how does this make you any different from other repeaters of conceptual info?

You've put yourself in a position of being able to determine who and what is supporting "The System" and you are using life energy to defend your judgments in a way that attempts to gain support from other "true believers". At it's core this behavior is quite obviously an instinctive attempt to belong to something tribal, which I don't judge because WE"RE ALL DOING IT!!! I do stand by my observations of this process, however, and my communication concerning the possible causes.

All information in the form of language is a symbolic representation either of a memory (1st party bodily experience) or a re-presentation of a conceptual story. All the studying you or any of us has done concerning "the System" is nothing more than listening to someone elses conceptual stories about life then forming our own based on our experience. All this talk about the lie and the system is just repetition of conceptual info. IMHO we would do well not to value it as any more than that.

25 April at 03:06

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Arthur Cristian

Pointing out harm is pointing out harm. This has nothing to do with your experiences of us. You have no 1st party experience of us. Have you lived with us? Have you worked with us on on intimidate basis? If no, then where is your direct sensory experience derived from? As it stands the blimp on your radar is the one you have placed there about us. It is not our life being the blimp in your life, on your radar. Prove otherwise. Storytelling is not proof of fact and that is mostly what you are offering here.

25 April at 03:09

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Arthur James

Talking about one person kissing another or people having agood time together and giving them fictional labels like "politician" or "banker" is not pointing out harm, it's story about something you haven't experienced containing conceptual labels that you heard and are now using in an attempt to give creedence to the story of the "Tyranny of Goodness" being anything more than one mans opinion about life.

25 April at 03:12

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Arthur Cristian

The point is you make up a lot of claims that you have to back up. So bring forward the 1st parties to back your claims.

25 April at 03:11

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Arthur James

//You have no 1st party experience of us. Have you lived with us? Have you worked with us on on intimidate basis?//

No, yet why make this a prerequisite for honestly addressing my points? Are you equally quick to disregard or scrutinize those who have never met you in person yet verbally agree with your opinions?

25 April at 03:17

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Not taking sides here but Arthur James' "idea" (he is not making any claims as to its veracity) is thought-provoking:

In reality all life is movement.

All the dis-ease in human societies is a manifestation of the dis-ease in our bodies which is present because of a lack of authentic movement. What LFL people call "The System" is just a symptom or an outgrowth of our internal condition of stagnation."The System" is a blanket term for a plethora of conceptual overlays which when valued result in inhibition or lack of life flow through our bodies and ends up with people becoming breeding grounds for dis-ease by valuing concepts more than the movement of life through their bodies.

Once this stagnation becomes intolerable (and it always does because nobody can stop the flow of life) we act out by pitting the conceptual story we value against others that we see and proceed to "do battle". The dance of violence and oppression is really just people battling with their beliefs and I don't think it's honest of anyone to say they aren't participating in this dance to some degree. My observation is we all do this and will most likely continue to until our ability to be conceptual is fully integrated into the authentic movement of our bodies......

.....The way to flush this disease out of our bodies is by allowing real life movement to flow and being honest about our deepest fears can ground that movement in very powerful and life changing ways. This type of honesty naturally leads to the vulnerability which gets underneath all conceptual overlays and eventually stabilizes the living truth in us. When we are flowing in living truth we naturally bond to those around us in an authentic way which builds the trust so necessary for any society not based on the dominant/submissive paradigm to sustain and grow.

25 April at 03:37

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Arthur Cristian T

he intellectualising you offer is not the direct experience of our lives.

We are just pointing out harm.

Money does not exist, is in 3rd party and therefore is a lie and does immense harm to MAN and MANS Earth. It is MAN setting into motion the lie, the fantasy of the lie where they believe money is true, is living., has power.

Bankers believe they are offering something of substance. The fact is "intellectual property" has no substance, is just make-believe storytelling requiring copyright (the right of copy) which leads to massive issues down-the-line in a vast variety of ways. The renting of "intellectual Property" (believers in the storytelling) has been shown to create haves and have nots, etc, etc. The evidence is incontrovertible. Chaos, War, destruction and slavery has come about because men and women believe in the storytelling of "intellectual property". The e-motional attachment to this trauma (the belief) compels them to perform (re-presenting) the program of that storytelling leading to men and women fighting for what they claim they believe they "own". Again this fact is incontrovertible.

Thee are many hundreds of such intense debates with experts skilled in their fields to be found in the Love For Life website, all of which back up the facts just shared here with you.

As we say,belief is NOT proof of fact and it is belief (storytelling) you are offering here. .

Did the sensory life-form (plant) tell you it was a daffodil, is yellow and provided a scientific explanation or did another man put all this information in your head. Which One?

Refer to the home page of the Love For Lie website for more on all this. There is a massive difference between 1st party and 3rd party.

Anyway, this is a Kindom Group for those passionate about Kindoms. Refer to the guidelines provided. We are not interested in repeating what has already been covered over and over again since March 2005 as can be found amongst the thousands of articles, videos, podcasts, discussions and debates located in the Love For Life website. Many of us in this group have already been down this road for many years. We are all focused on the remedy that gets MAN out of "The System" in this life never to return. If you have one to share please do so, we are always interested in remedies. This is what this Kindom group is all about.

25 April at 03:42

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Arthur James

Is the LFL material revisable?

25 April at 03:44

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Arthur James

Is LFL flexible and fluid like the water of life itself?

25 April at 03:48

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Arthur Cristian

How are you to know where we are actually coming from if you have not read/watched and fully comprehended all the insights shared.? The Love For Life website exists for that purpose. You are provided with Full-Disclosure, all the information is located there. It is up to you to do all the labour, put the effort in. and work it out to see/sense if Kindom lives for you or not. And it is ok if it doesn't. The information is there for you to explore if that is what interests you. Once you have put the effort in and fully comprehend the big picture we see/sense then you can choose where to go with it. It is all free, there no strings attached. We wish you all the best in whatever you are searching for. For us, it is now 4.00am and we are off to have some rest before all our daughters wake up in a few hours.

25 April at 03:54

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Arthur James

I'm working on something called "Conscious Earth Tribalism" and connecting to communities with similar povs is part of that. I like mixing it up and questioning things.

Please don't get me wrong; I totally agree that rebuilding the web of life on Earth is a great place to put human energy. I also know that the breakdown of intentional communities can almost always be attributed to relationship issues and a remarkable number of relationship issues are about differences in conceptual beliefs.

This is why part of writing "Conscious Earth Tribalism" is connecting to and questioning other paradigms. I appreciate what you've managed to put together, Arthur, yet also see it as a rather huge and somewhat bloated bunch of conceptual info in need of editing and revision. Just my .02 ;)

25 April at 04:02

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Arthur James

I'll be happy to share the basics of "Conscious Earth Tribalism" here when it's in a form that I consider ready for that. Should be within a few weeks.

25 April at 04:02

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Arthur James

G'night. Health and peace to you and your family.

25 April at 04:06

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Dana Clark

Is this really the proper place to even post this thread? In the kindom group? How does this focus on remedy? Just sayin'.

25 April at 04:44

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Arthur James

Remedy for what? Isn't the idea that we need a remedy based in the assumption that something is wrong with life and needs to be fixed rather than the acknowledgment that life is a process of evolution and all that has come before must be integrated into what happens next? There is no need for "remedy", only truth. That we can choose to flow with or resist life in all it's forms and that these choices are what creates our lives individually and collectively is my "remedy".

25 April at 04:54

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Arthur James

I see the idea of remedy as being based on the medical model of relieving symptoms.

25 April at 04:56

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Dana Clark

Wasn't speaking to you.

25 April at 04:56

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Arthur James

Oh....guess I like to "hear myself talk" sometimes and will grab any excuse ;)

25 April at 04:58

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Dana Clark

Posting a debate such as this is not in accordance with group guidelines. All such debates/System crap/discussions have been directed to be posted on Arthur's wall. Where it already was to begin with.

25 April at 05:01

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Arthur Cristian

It is all in the intent Arthur James - Based on what you have shared here we get it where you are coming from thus far but do you get it where we are coming from? Have you studied the body of the Love For Life work to fully comprehend and sense the life experience that has us see/sense the big picture we see/sense?

25 April at 11:47

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Arthur Cristian

Dana Clark this discussion is directed @ "intentional communities" , @ Kindoms, @ consciousness, etc... this is NOT a discussion about the NWO, etc... This discussion is within the guidelines.

25 April at 11:49

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Arthur Cristian

Arthur James if you have not studied our life experiences through the posts we have put up in the Love For Life website homepage and in the Sequential Order then please don't ask us to repeat what has already been covered in great detail in this thread with you. You put the effort in and get back to us when you have done so. We are just too busy on too many fronts and are unwilling to give up other responsibilities to provide you with a "personal service" that meets your "tailored needs" here in this thread. We are not your master, your leader, your water hole, etc, and neither are you ours. When you have a fully operational community up and running with a track record behind it get back to us so we can experience it.

25 April at 13:10

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Arthur Cristian

Claims like these

"Isn't the idea that we need a remedy based in the assumption that something is wrong with life and needs to be fixed rather than the acknowledgment that life is a process of evolution and all that has come before must be integrated into what happens next? There is no need for "remedy", only truth. That we can choose to flow with or resist life in all it's forms and that these choices are what creates our lives individually and collectively is my "remedy"."

are your claims. they are not our claims. These claims of yours are NOT where we are coming from. They do not live for us. They are not part of the dreaming of our lives, our views, our values, our attitudes, etc, and are most definitely NOT part of the Kindom work we do and live for.

25 April at 12:03

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Arthur Cristian

Also, we are not judging anyone here, Arthur James. We do not condemn Prince Ea, we explore and scrutinise what he is saying and see where that takes us in search for truth and remedy. This is how the body of the LFL work has arisen. Yes, we scrutinise and point out where there is still system thought and system constructs being laid out here, innocently or not, but this does not mean that we are placing our lives on a higher standing than the life of Prince Ea, or anyone else. You need to sense our intentions. We see the mess we are all in that we are all responsible for and our scrutiny is how we learn how NOT to keep perpetuating the mess but to take full responsibility for it and start cleaning it up.

This is our intent., and remedy our goal because yes, there is something wrong with how we are all living and behaving towards each other and unless we make conscious steps to change this, we get nowhere. Hence Kindoms.

There is nothing new about what Prince Ea is saying, it is already there - people are relating to what is being done to them, Earth and nature and yes, his video may help some people to open their eyes a little and realise the harm that they are party to. However, just pointing out what is there does not change it unless we figure out how we got into this mess in the first place, gradually through the generations, and therefore, how not to keep continuing it. None of the religions, philosophies, movements, etc, that have come and gone have changed anything, which is why we put them under the blow torch to find out why not.

25 April at 12:34

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Arthur Cristian

Finally, you say " First off, as an artist I gotta say this guy brings it real and I appreciate what he's doing. Is he a tool of "The System"? IMHO the attempts I've seen on this thread to slap that label on him seem rather condescending and self-righteous. In addressing this I'll put forth an idea I haven't seen explored in depth on any thread so far: In reality all life is movement."

We have not said that he is a tool of "The System". He seems very sincere in what he is saying, as are many people who want to do good but keep perpetuating the problem because they haven't stood far enough back to get the full picture.

Much of what you are talking about, we have already discussed in great detail in the LFL work. We stop dead that natural movement of our children when we educate them and set them on a pre-determined, schedule of movement in "The System" that disconnects them from being able to be inspired by their direct experience with living nature, the natural movement, around them to form their unique, original dreams and set them into motion naturally. Again, refer to the LFL website for much more detail on all this. Much is explained on the Home Page.

You are using different words to us, but we are talking about the same stuff. It's all in the intent. "Conceptual overlays" are just belief systems, story-telling. Again, it's all in the intent.

25 April at 12:52

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Arthur Cristian

Also, many red rags to the bulls on offer here.

Two examples of plenty......

"I've noticed the tendency to take up a "superior" position based on conceptual overlays is a game that white men often play due to a deep seated fear of being physically inferior to men of other races. "

and

"Part of what I see in this thread and LFL in general is a tendency toward voluminous verbiage scrutinizing "The System" and pointing an accusing finger at those who are part of it. This is done in a way which seems to act as yet another complicated conceptual overlay"

What is your "intent"?

25 April at 13:07

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Arthur Cristian

Thank you for your offers but no thanks, we are not interested in the joust derived from the worship of and in "personality cults".

25 April at 13:09

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Arthur James

The sheer volume of conceptual info inLFL is in and of itself a method of control, Arthur Cristian. I don't need to read it all before I ask questions, do I? My intent in asking is to call into question the necessity of certain assumptions that LFL may or may not be be resting on. In order to find out I'm asking the question:

What is "The Tyranny of Goodness" ?

The scenarios you put forth to explain this idea were not 1st party experiences and did nothing to convince me it's anything more than a dead, useless idea. I question why "The Tyranny of Goodness" is part of the LFL material.

To say that you have covered it and all I need to do is read what you've wrote is putting a burden on me or anyone seeking community to ingest an enormous amount of 3rd party info that I find useless, therefore I'm asking questions as they come up.

25 April at 18:15

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Arthur Cristian

You, and everyone else, have free will. Of course you do not have to read what we encourage but then you will not be able to fully find out what LFL is all about. If we were to sit and explain everything over and over and over, we wouldn't even begin to be able to respond to all the comments, emails, phone calls, etc, that come through day by day. This is why we direct people to go to the website to read more, if they wish to do so.

If you think that the volume of what we have written is "a method of control", then you are not sensing our intent, again. LFL is all about setting each other free from being underneath each other, not about imposing control. You may perceive the LFL work as a method of control but do you realise that many others love the detail and hence volume of the LFL work?

If you are interested, you will explore. If not, you won't. The choice is yours and we have no attachment to any e-motional outcomes either way. Perhaps we will find you working alongside us, and us alongside you somewhere down the track, or perhaps we will never hear from you again.

All the best to you and your family. :) <3

25 April at 19:03

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Arthur James

I sense a very wonderful intent from you on many levels Arthur Cristian yet don't see LFL as being sustainable relationally because you are either unable or unwilling to answer a simple question about a very obvious contradiction:

Why are ideas based in 3rd party info such as " The Tyranny of Goodness" included in the material?

25 April at 19:09

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Arthur Cristian

To comprehend what we mean by the "Tyranny of Goodness", read through the discussion again and it is clearly explained. What is being referred to here is all the seemingly good things happening in "The System" that are actually all about perpetuating "The System", conning us into willingly maintaining our slave status. While participating in things that we think are good, we are actually continuing to do great harm to all of life but, as we have become so dumbed-down, we do not sense the harm.

25 April at 19:11

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Arthur Cristian

This is both Fiona and Arthur writing here too....

25 April at 19:12

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Arthur Cristian

The 3rd party is not coming from us, it is coming from those who believe in it and perform for it. There is so much information in the LFL website that contains information about 3rd party stuff because this is how we are learning what it is that makes us willingly continue our slave status to man-made third party constructs and concepts. To us, learning to see/sense the difference between third party and first party is vital if we are to leave "The System" behind, which is what this group is all about. If you don't want to leave "The System" in this life, then this group is not for you.

25 April at 19:17

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Arthur James

Okay, yet it seems an undeniable truth that "The System" and "The Tyranny of Goodness" do not exist as anything more than ideas. The current situation on Earth is created by the daily choices of people.

We move our bodies in whatever way we do and when we change that movement human societies will change. In essence there is no slave system at all, life is a dance that can change at any time.

All references to systems or systemic control are representations of dead ideas.

25 April at 19:22

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Arthur James

Unless of course they are references to living, biological systems.

25 April at 19:23

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Arthur Cristian

They are make-believe (dead-corpse) ideas, non-sensory images, but many give them power with the giving of their life force energy into these non-sensory images. This is where everything of the natural dream of life is being distorted and corrupted. These insights have been at the heart of the LFL work since March 2005 and is why a vast part of the true awakening has been happening all across Earth. Well beyond 270 million unique browsers/ip addresses have visited the website since it started December 2006. The website is a testament to this fact - all the insightful info going back to March 2005 is still up. For a vast part of the population, the truth was kept secret until men and women like us (we were not the only ones) came along to break LFL insights into mainstream and all this intense very long hours of LFL insight work was created and given away for free, no strings or contracts, etc, attached. We have to go now.

25 April at 19:39

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Arthur James

// if we are to leave "The System" behind, which is what this group is all about. If you don't want to leave "The System" in this life, then this group is not for you.//

My whole point is that there is no system. How can I leave something that doesn't exist? This is nonsense!

25 April at 19:45

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Arthur James

// Well beyond 270 million unique browsers/ip addresses have visited the website since it started //

Popularity expressed in numbers does not impress me. It very much reminds me of the issue with money. At the heart of human choices which are destructive to life is an external value system re-presented by numbers which is valued over logic and relationships.

25 April at 19:54

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Arthur James

I'm much more impressed with your ability to grow a food forest and raise what appear to be healthy children. I don't wanna come off as an agitator, yet I can't see the logic or value in keeping all the material about things that don't exist as part of LFL. To me it creates an internal contradiction in the LFL material and I wonder what the motive is for holding onto it.

25 April at 20:06

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Dana Clark

We are all working through comprehending the mess that MAN is in in our own, unique ways. No one has all the answers and there is one helluva lot to sort out. Yes, discernment is important, yet so is an open mind.

There are valid points on both sides here and I think an open-minded discussion, rather than a divisive outlook, would be of benefit here. (My two-cents.)

26 April at 00:14

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Arthur James

Agreed, Dana Clark. I can be a bit zealous when I find something such as LFL which has so many of the elements which I value.

There is what I consider a false assumption expressed in much of the LFL material that I feel is in need of revision for me to be on board. It's very simple yet very pervasive throughout what I've read and viewed and it reflects the assumption that I see as driving all the other current approaches to the challenges facing modern society.

Here it is in it's simplest form:

There is a problem in need of a solution.

Mainly what I want to share is that from my hard won experience it is sustainable relationships that make or break any community.

26 April at 03:35

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Arthur James

The reason I find this often deep seated problem/solution equation relationally unsustainable for a tribe or community is it requires us to identify a problem either within or outside of ourselves and apply a solution which is always expressed as a set of moral standards of some kind.

We then judge our actions and those around us by this standard.

Even if this standard is the nurturing of biological life the assumption that one choice is inherently better than another is still an unsustainable relational model, IMHO. When we engage in life using this nearly ubiquitous and often very subtly expressed assumption there can't help but be a tendency toward hierarchical, "us and them" type thinking.

26 April at 03:28

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Dana Clark

Arthur James - there IS a problem. A problem so HUGE there are no words for it. And remedy is so desperately needed, and fast. Don't know about you, but I do not care to live in a transhumanistic, cyborg, polluted world where there is only but a shadow of Nature/Creation left. The way things are going - happening right in front of everyone's eyes.

I want ALL Nature - for the "world" to be NOTHING but Nature. The System can take all its manmade crap and kick rocks. Because this is OUR planet - Nature's (MAN being of Nature).

Not saying I don't acknowledge your viewpoint and the most obvious considerable thought you have given to this. I respect that.

But all I have to do is to look into an animal's eyes, or look at a magnificent tree, wildlife, etc. and the vastness of the "problem" that exists here becomes crystal clear to me.

But...

""us and them" type thinking."

I do whole-heartedly agree with this here. ;)

26 April at 03:39

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Arthur James

I hear you about all the pain out there, Dana Clark, it's difficult to see and experience without wanting to judge it as "wrong". In my experience this judgment is the primary reason for why patterns of behavior repeat. Judgment leads to choices motivated by the conditioning which causes the pain.

Here's a question which I've found leads in the direction of a non-judgment approach to life and it's challenges:

Do I feel more authentic when I'm working or when I'm playing?

26 April at 03:53

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Arthur James

Honestly answering this has led to seeing life as a flow of energy I am free to engage with in whatever way feels best to me. This takes me out of the external application of "do no harm" and makes it an internal reality.

26 April at 03:58

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Jaba Art

Arthur James the system is in our mind and exists with every though WE copy/paste and do not create ourself!
Where is the "Judgments" in saying //'"Nice" politicians kissing babies = "Tyranny Of Goodness" is a pure fact! They don't "kiss babies" because the LOVE babies ... NOT IN FRONT of 100 journalists!

26 April at 04:01

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Arthur James

Is that a story, Jaba, or something you've experienced?

26 April at 07:03

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Jaba Art

1part experience (Y)

26 April at 07:04

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Jaba Art

Where is the judgment?

26 April at 07:04

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Arthur James

The can can you tell me about it as a biological subjective experience?

26 April at 07:06

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Jaba Art

What is your attempt here? Why are you not answering?

26 April at 07:07

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Jaba Art

things are absolute ... subjective is only a point of view like emoticon Can you make difference between GOOD and BAD? Arthur James`?

26 April at 07:09

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Arthur James

I see several possible judgments in that scenario as evidenced by your use of words like "journalist" and politician". Are these absolutes?

26 April at 07:14

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Jaba Art

Can you answer ONE question without avoiding to answer??? Can you make a difference between GOOD and BAD?

26 April at 07:15

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Arthur James

What is the question again?

26 April at 07:16

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Jaba Art

Difference between GOOD and BAD!

26 April at 07:17

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Jaba Art

Arthur James ???

26 April at 07:21

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Arthur James

//Can you make a difference between GOOD and BAD?//

In a sense yes, but only in my subjective experience of pleasure and pain. I experience my external reality subjectively as sensation so any judgment of good and bad not based on my experience of pleasure and pain is an attempt to control my surroundings instead of authentically expressing my truth and be in relation to my surroundings.

26 April at 07:21

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Jaba Art

Alright then please explain what is GOOD on RAPE or MURDER! (Y)

26 April at 07:22

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Arthur James

Can we continue this dialogue by me asking you to answer a question, Jaba?

26 April at 07:23

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Jaba Art

Lets stay on the subject if you make so many blind claims like emoticon let's TEST all this claims!

26 April at 07:23

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Arthur James

It feels like your coming at me with copy and paste demands frown emoticon I want this to be an exchange

26 April at 07:25

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Jaba Art

The kindom is not "subjective" is it very clear ... if harm is involved in Kindom ... the kingdom is no longer kindom! And Harm is NOT "subjective"!

26 April at 07:25

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Arthur James

What's the subject?

26 April at 07:25

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Jaba Art

The subject is GOOD or BAD! And if you claim is subjective ... then answer what can be GOOD in RAPE or MURDER! IS there any GOOD in RAPE or MURDER???

26 April at 07:28

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Arthur James

Harm is completely subjective, bro. I once became very concerned about the screams of a neighbor and jumped up ready to phone the police or run to her house until I tuned in and realized she was much more likely in sexual ecstasy. Was I right or wrong about my assessment? Did I act appropriately? I'll never know about the first question and only I can answer the second.

26 April at 07:29

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Arthur James

Where did you see me say or even imply there was something good about rape or murder?

26 April at 07:30

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Jaba Art

If this answer is not very clear ... then NOTHING can be! Because how could we DO GOOD if RAPE or MURDER can be GOOD! ONLY Psychopaths will answer is fully subjective ;)

26 April at 07:30

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Jaba Art

No Arthur James is a fundamental question like emoticon If you are ok if your wife or daughter get raped or Murder ... how can you wish a Kindom???

26 April at 07:32

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Arthur James

No, only psychopaths would ignore the communication coming from another human that clearly states that they are not willingly participating in an activity.

26 April at 07:33

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Arthur James

Mental illness is a continuum that we are all a part of.

26 April at 07:34

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Jaba Art

Arthur James are you a HUE-MAN or a MAN?

26 April at 07:34

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Jaba Art

Mental Illness is SYSTEM trauma! MAN MADE DECEPTION!

26 April at 07:35

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Arthur James

What do those words even mean. Did you come up with them yourself as well as the definitions or are you copying and pasting on my ass ;)

26 April at 07:35

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Jaba Art

Did YOU INVENT WORDS??? Do you KNOW what WORD are ??? Do you KNOW WHO created them?

26 April at 07:37

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Arthur James

Whatever, dude, we all make choices everyday that could be easily judged as good or bad by an endless set of arbitrary standards. Freedom is not having the "right" set of conceptual standards, freedom is the ability to choose how we move our bodies. To inhibit anothers freedom is the closest I can come to calling anyhting "bad".

26 April at 07:38

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Jaba Art

I respect everyone who show clear INTENTIONS of sharing NO HARM! You just answer that you DON'T KNOW even what is GOOD and BAD! How do you want me to trust your intentions?

26 April at 07:38

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Jaba Art

No judgment is harm! I'm not interested in any harm! And i KNOW what harm IS! If you are confused in this part then you should start to question WHO IS Arthur James the HUE-MAN? the PERSON? the CITIZEN? The MISTER? The MAN or finally YOURSELF??? This "WORDS" MATTER!!!

26 April at 07:39

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Arthur James

The truth is you are making a choice based on your subjective sensory experience to either trust or not trust. That is your choice, asking me how your supposed to do it doesn't compute, my friend ;)

26 April at 07:40

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Jaba Art

No FACTS like emoticon Only FACTS!!!

26 April at 07:40

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Jaba Art

Do you KNOW ME? Or did you just make a pure presumption? Because a presumption without proof of fact is still a LIE!

26 April at 07:41

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Jaba Art

Arthur James my FRIENDS do NO HARM! If not i can't call them FRIEND! You are my brother as every MAN!

26 April at 07:42

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Arthur James

Jesus, is there a real person there throwing all these words at me? I thought we were communicating yet you have been monopolizing the entire dialogue and reacting to every post with escalating distance and more and more words from a LFL material.

Can we dialogue or is this as GOOD as it gets with you, Jaba Art

26 April at 07:43

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Jaba Art

I don't RE-ACT but ACT wink emoticon i took full responsibility and I'm fully responsible for what i say ... not what you don't comprehend <3

26 April at 07:44

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Arthur James

Would you be willing to do me the courtesy of answering a few questions since I've been doing my best to accommodate you in this way?

26 April at 07:46

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Jaba Art

I don't play game nor do i waste my time to PLAY with TRUTH! You make allot of blind claims ... and i just scrutiny you about this claims! TRUTH can't be OWNED ...

26 April at 07:46

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Jaba Art

Arthur James if you can deal with the answers like emoticon welcome!

26 April at 07:47

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Arthur James

What are my blind claims? Please quote the actual text of my posts containing them.

26 April at 07:47

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Fizz Gig

Arthur James "Harm is completely subjective, bro. I once became very concerned about the screams of a neighbor and jumped up ready to phone the police or run to her house until I tuned in and realized she was much more likely in sexual ecstasy. Was I right or wrong about my assessment? Did I act appropriately? I'll never know about the first question and only I can answer the second." This example you gave to justify your claim that harm is subjective is rubbish. Your example only displayed your misinterpretation of a woman's cries

26 April at 07:47

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Jaba Art

"What LFL people call "The System" is just a symptom or an outgrowth of our internal condition of stagnation" ca you proof this?

26 April at 07:50

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Arthur James

The truth is I don't know which interpretation was correct but I made a choice based on my subjective experience. All choices are based on subjective experience is my point.

26 April at 07:50

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Jaba Art

"Here's n example of you putting yourself in the judgement seat:

//'"Nice" politicians kissing babies = "Tyranny Of Goodness"" IS NOT A JUDGMENT BUT FACT!

26 April at 07:51

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Arthur James

Of course not. Can you prove that politicians kissing babies in front of journalist is part of something called "The Tyranny of Goodnes'?

26 April at 07:51

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Jaba Art

"All choices are based on subjective experience" NO FROM TRAUMA if someone is not fully aware and took responsibility!

26 April at 07:52

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Arthur James

Can you prove that there is such a thing as a politician or journalist? Aren't these labels which are innaccurate, dead ideas?

26 April at 07:52

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Jaba Art

I can go on ... there ante to many blind claims ... and after not even being able to see the point of rape and murder you just make very bad points to justify HARM! So how could we even trust what you are saying?

26 April at 07:53

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Fizz Gig

From what you have shared, the truth is that you do not know if harm had been done or not.. What you shared does not support your claim that "harm is subjective".

26 April at 07:53

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Jaba Art

There are people who ACT as politicians and journalist! You are making very bad points!

26 April at 07:54

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Arthur James

You obviously DON'T trust what I'm saying. This is not a medium that is even capable of building trust, IMO. Trust requires face time and honest expression. This is a medium I use for the sharing of ideas.

26 April at 07:55

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Jaba Art

How could i trust someone who would be ready to harm because he don't even question the basics of HARM!???

26 April at 07:56

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Arthur James

Yes, but is this acting an absolute so that you can slap that label on them and call it accurate? There are people who engage in activities that society has a word for, that's all. All activities are biological expressions based on subjective experience.

26 April at 07:57

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Jaba Art

Arthur James and why did you not post anything public on your wall since longtime??? Do you have something to hide? As musician why are you not open your Facebook wall?

26 April at 07:57

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Arthur James

Okay, let's skip the BS. Does anyone care to argue with my claim that life is experienced subjectively?

26 April at 07:58

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Jaba Art

This is system made behaviour! This is not from the our nature!!!

26 April at 07:59

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Jaba Art

Do you KNOW what is REAL and NOT??? Arthur James ARE YOU REAL???

26 April at 08:00

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Fizz Gig

So when your claims fall apart upon scrutiny you blame this being due to trust?

26 April at 08:00

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Jaba Art

Who?

26 April at 08:01

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Fizz Gig

Arthur James said: "You obviously DON'T trust what I'm saying"

26 April at 08:03

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Arthur James

Can we start over? This is my premise:

Life is experienced subjectively.

If there are arguments I'll address them, if not I'll move on with this as my premise.

26 April at 08:07

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Fizz Gig

Please provide your definition for your use of the word "subjective"

26 April at 08:09

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Jaba Art

Arthur James you can take your premise! NO MAN STAND OVER ANOTHER MAN! This is the same for you! Arquing is not wanting TRUTH ... but wasting energy to find excused to stay in the system!

26 April at 08:10

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Dana Clark

Arthur James - I can see there is some validity to this lack of movement thing. For MAN sure has become rather a bit lethargic - both in physical movement as well as thought movement. You say The System is a product of this lack of movement, if I am getting what you are saying. But are you so sure?

Or, is this lethargic state of MAN a product of The System? I would bet it to be the latter, but, do not really know for sure. So, we are we left with the usual conundrum:

which came first, the chicken or the egg?

But....more important than that question....does it even really matter which came first?

Isn't fixing it all that matters? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to argue with you or dismiss what you are saying, because I really do appreciate all the thought you have put into this. But.....let me share a good illustration that there is most certainly a problem here that is absolutely crucial to correct....

Do you use Google Earth or Apple Maps? I will never forget the first time I used Google Earth - NEVER EVER. Words cannot describe how heartbroken, horrified, and every other wretched word to describe a wretched feeling I felt.

Why?

Because all it took was zooming out and taking one look at what we have done to our Earth - so I zoomed in and out, went back and fourth, and it - WE, MAN - was everywhere. All the concrete and steel, grids of streets in neighborhoods like the fricken Borg Cube, all the excavation pits and big, enormous silos of oil and God knows what else.

I literally ended up in tears after seeing what I saw and it was right then and there - however long ago that was when Google Earth was first released - that I knew we - MAN - had a huge problem on our hands.

Why?

Because Earth was never meant to look like that. That is why. Was never meant to be suffocated and defiled in the most disgusting of ways as it has been at the hand of MAN.

If you don't wish to call it a "problem" that's fine, we don't have to. I'm really not trying to be adverse here. But whatever it is - it needs to be fixed, and ASAP before it is too late to fix anything.

Please, please, please everyone. Let's put the arguing and suspicion and who's right vs. who's wrong aside and get down to caring for our beloved Earth. Hell, take a good long look at Google Earth or Apple Maps if you need in order to see the....thing that needs fixing. wink emoticon

Let's find a common ground. The System WANTS us to get lost in arguing and debate and suspicion of others and all that other UNCERTAINTY AND DOUBT. Let's not give it what it wants.

LOL - okay, I'm done. :) <3

26 April at 08:11

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Jaba Art

subjective is EGO IN-DIVIDE-U-ALL opinion, point of view and is like a asshole everyone has one wink emoticon TRUTH IS THE SAME FOR EVERYONE! <3

26 April at 08:11

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Jaba Art

Dana Clark if you think Dream of Kindom is a MOVEMENT then you got a complet wrong idea from it!

26 April at 08:12

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Jaba Art

Dream of kingdom is taking full responsibility and away from the system entirely! No doubts, No Harm, No trauma, FULL RESPONSIBLE for everything!!!

26 April at 08:14

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Arthur James

Subjective is defined as sensory experience.

26 April at 08:14

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Fizz Gig

Life/Truth is not subjective. The life-form we call the tree etc is still the same tree etc regardless of who is or is not sensing the tree etc.

26 April at 08:15

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Arthur James

That is an idea about the life form of tree. Te truth is that we only experience the tree as subjective sensory experience.

26 April at 08:17

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Fizz Gig

No the truth IS the tree.

26 April at 08:18

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Jaba Art

My wrong ... about subjective (Y)

26 April at 08:18

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Jaba Art

Let's use SENSE (Y)

26 April at 08:18

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Arthur James

//No the truth IS the tree.//

How have you arrived at this conclusion if not through subjective sensory experience?

26 April at 08:19

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Jaba Art

The tree is REAL everyone can visit the tree! Therefor is TRUE the TREE EXISTS!

26 April at 08:20

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Arthur James

Actually the truth is that the tree is never the same moment to moment and neither are we. What exists is a relationship between us and the tree that is uniquely experienced by every life form.

26 April at 08:22

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Jaba Art

Arthur James you say "the system does not exists how can you get away from something that does not exists" Does a thought exists??? But you still THINK! So WHOES THOUGHT do you think YOUR OWN or copy/paste thoughts?

26 April at 08:23

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Jaba Art

"Actually the truth is that the tree is never the same moment to moment and neither are we" This does NOT eliminate the TRUTH about the existence of the TREE!!!

26 April at 08:24

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Arthur James

I'm sorting through all that as we all are, Jaba. How about you? Are all the thoughts you've used in communicating in this thread uniquely your own?

26 April at 08:25

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Fizz Gig

When harm can be trivialized as being "subjective", or the Man made System of harm-doing made out to be a mythological accident rather than the deliberate intentions of demented mad men set in motion that it is the truth is being allowed to slip out of focus to become another blind spot that will continue to pose a danger.

26 April at 08:25

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Jaba Art

(Y) i took full responsibility and think fully for myself (Y)

26 April at 08:25

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Arthur James

The truth is existence is a constantly changing process of relationship that we experience as sensory input.

26 April at 08:27

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Jaba Art

I'm not attached to anyone or anything like emoticon not emotionally not physically! Did you take full responsibility for ALL your thoughts, feelings, words and actions?

26 April at 08:27

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Dana Clark

Jaba - you have no clue what I am talking about and I'm really rather over your condescending attitude. Movement, flow, activity...is why I used the word lethargy. HELLO????????? Again, you are arguing...what?....just for the sake of arguing?

26 April at 08:29

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Jaba Art

Arthur James can you proof this claim of TRUTH???

26 April at 08:28

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Arthur James

// i took full responsibility and think fully for myself //
Glad to hear it. You certainly use a lot of words from LFL and like to capitalize them.

26 April at 08:28

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Jaba Art

Dana Clark i read you heart emoticon maybe up to you to change the wording and emotional outbreaks (Y)

26 April at 08:28

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Jaba Art

Words are expression ... truth does not need words ... i use allot of words i learn trough LFL to explain the illusions i KNOW already longtime! (Y)

26 April at 08:29

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Arthur James

//can you proof this claim of TRUTH//

If I wanted to I could refer to physics as "proof", but I'm more interested in sharing ideas and evolving my understanding than trying to prove things. I asked you to prove a statement, Jaba, and you never repsponded, so this is getting a little lopdsided, imo.

26 April at 08:31

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Jaba Art

PSYICS is pure SYSTEM indoctrination! (Y)

26 April at 08:31

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Jaba Art

Again you show not being aware of what the system is ... and you continue to CLAIM the TRUTH IS ... this is NOT how you can proof the truth! Because REALITY can be proven ... IDEAS are IDEAS from SOMEWHERE picked up somewhere (Y)

26 April at 08:33

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Arthur James

Yeah it's all based in the mathemetical expression of visual info, but you have no proof for thae claim of it being "pure system indoctrination".

26 April at 08:33

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Jaba Art

mathematical is PURE SYSTEM indoctrination ;) HAHA

26 April at 08:34

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Jaba Art

there is no physics or mathematic in nature is pure MAN MADE = SYSTEM!

26 April at 08:35

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Arthur James

Yad yada yada Jaba Art. Youre' doing the same thing you accuse me of yet refuse to answer question but just keep spouting off. Do what you gotta do, bro, I don't see why your'e even engaging in this dialogue except to defend your position that the truth is what you say it is.

26 April at 08:36

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Jaba Art

Of course can i PROOF that it is pure indoctrination! Can you bring me to physics and mathematic so i can handshake? Burden of your proof would be the LIE!

26 April at 08:37

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Arthur James

If there's no mathematics then why ever use numbers? By that logic there's also no language, dude.

26 April at 08:38

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Jaba Art

I get you by the word ... your thoughts and intention bro! You seam to feel being HIGH UP and spread your blind claims!

26 April at 08:38

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Dana Clark

Arthur James - no comment about what I said?

And...even more interesting...no inspiration found from my post about my experience at the beach? Not enough to click "like" or comment about it anyway?

Hmmmm....both of these things make me wonder....

I was trying to give you a chance. In fact, stuck my neck out for you more than you could possibly imagine. Why? Because it was the right thing to do. But no inspiration to be found from considering the plight of Nature/Earth and THAT is the ONE thing which will make me question a person's intent.

You are so into the argument here, you and those who relish the debate above all else, you cannot even pause and give thought to THE WHOLE DAMN ONE AND ONLY REASON FOR EVERY SINGLE THING WE ARE DOING (WELL, SHOULD BE).

You know, EARTH?

NATURE?

Get over the arguing people. Nature is calling out for you. Get over the suspicion/division/finger pointing/arguing/wanting to be right/etc.

Who cares, the hows or whys? NOTHING ELSE MATTERS MORE THAN FIXING IT.

26 April at 08:38

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Jaba Art

ALL New languages are engineered MAN MADE (not by accident) ... GRAMMAR comes from GRIMOIRE french (Calling the demons) and is PURE OCCULT KNOWLEDGE ... the grammarian are the MAGICIANS!

26 April at 08:40

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Arthur James

Guess I missed it, Dana Clark. I don't see this as a risky place, so I'm not sure what you mean by "stuck my neck out for you". Can you explain?

26 April at 08:40

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Fizz Gig

How about returning to something real and helpful such as what this Man first suggested in relation to the video that started this.... Go outside and plant a tree!

26 April at 08:41

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Jaba Art

Dana Clark is NOT ARGUING (false claim!) Is scrutiny and pointing out something you don't like to SEE!

26 April at 08:41

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Jaba Art

MAN MADE trauma to think we need to grow tree's wink emoticon If we just stop to cut them!

26 April at 08:42

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Arthur James

//ALL New languages are engineered MAN MADE (not by accident) ... GRAMMAR comes from GRIMOIRE french (Calling the demons) and is PURE OCCULT KNOWLEDGE ... the grammarian are the MAGICIANS!//

Uhh....how did you find that out? Was it through the the study of ideas represented in language, perhaps? Your logic defies all logic, Jaba Art. Take care of yourself, bro.

26 April at 08:44

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Jaba Art

Arthur James Dana Clark are you here to promote the system? Why don't you really SEE where the real damage is coming from? TRAUMATISED people with to many indoctrinated FALSE IDEAS .. there is the whole HARM going on ... if WE really realise where the HARM is coming from what are we working for? If we don't even no longer KNOW what is good or bad???

26 April at 08:44

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Fizz Gig

Though this Man recognizes what you mean Jaba, at this point food forests are not going to plant themselves, once established they will continue to grow and expand.

26 April at 08:45

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Jaba Art

Arthur James http://etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=grammar&search...

Online Etymology Dictionary
ETYMONLINE.COM

26 April at 08:45

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Jaba Art

I even think this man know exactly what i mean ... but he need to be in the OPPOSITION! WHY ... still don't really KNOW!

26 April at 08:46

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Jaba Art

Mathematics, Physics, Science, Astrology, Astronomie, esoteric is ALL from the system! Interpretation of nature = OPINION, POINT OF VIEW taken as FACT wink emoticon This is for believers but not for the ones who really want to KNOW truth!

26 April at 08:49

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My experience of human relationships is that they are unsustainable if based on the assumption that life has problems, that's all.

Facing a "problem" together is a recipe for burnout, that's my conclusion based on my experience. Seeing life as having problems creates ideas about right and wrong behavior in relation to that "problem" and those are than used as a means to continue the dominant/submissive paradigm.

We will have come a long way toward healing the root causes of harm when we are able to take full responsibility for the harm we cause ourselves moment by moment. Harm is experienced internally before it manifests externally.

That's the truth of my experience.

26 April at 08:56

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Jaba Art

Dana Clark are you ready to leave the system without electricity and "surviving in the wild" without ever coming back??? Electricity will always required the system! And is not because we are NOT there we can find a excuse to just say ... OH WE HAVE TO RUN NOW!!! I grew up in nature until i was youth ... i have no issue to go there ... but i know to only run out without the necessary preparation ... WE WLL HAVE TO COME BACK ... this is a LEARNING PROCESS and scrutiny everything and everyone is part of it! If we don't clean out our heads we will not be able to get to Kindom!

26 April at 08:53

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Jaba Art

Thats why WE don't make assumptions but only proof of fact ... thats why is important to get rid of all SYSTEM B/S in our MINDS (Y)

26 April at 08:54

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Jaba Art

Arthur James Truth is the SAME for everyone ... are you divided from everyone???

26 April at 08:55

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Jaba Art

HARM starts by every bad thought then feeling, word and action ALWAYS the same ... everything starts by a though ... if the thoughts are NOT OUR OWN THOUGHTS then we are slave of the system!

Good nite! http://www.babylondecoded.com/en/blog/slave-mentality

BabylonDecoded.com - BLOG - Slave Mentality
BABYLONDECODED.COM|BY MEGABASS-PROD.COM

26 April at 08:57

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Jaba Art

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wcyZ9G0K5c
What is Really going on
True MAN Show on ResponsArt Radio every Tuesday 10pm CEST www.responsart.com

26 April at 08:58

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Jaba Art

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM-FsRXQx8g

The World is LIE! But not the Earth !!!

26 April at 08:58

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Jaba Art

<3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUASzX4NBsc
Honest with Ourself - Jaba & Friends LIVE @ Chaumont...

26 April at 08:59

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Arthur James

What did you get the idea that everything starts by a thought? My experience is that feelings are primary and we think ABOUT our sensory experience.

26 April at 08:59

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Dana Clark

LOL - never mind guys, I give up. There is no reasoning here.

Go for it guys - argue until the cows come home. And even by then, you will be no closer to the answer, meanwhile all that is left of the living world will have crumbled down around you.

Over and out.

26 April at 09:02

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Arthur James

Take it easy, Dana Clark ;)

26 April at 09:03

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Arthur James

//I'm not attached to anyone or anything not emotionally not physically!//

Dude, are you on drugs? Whens the last time you took a breath? Are you attached to oxygen. How about water? Do you eat? There is no provable differentiation between emotional and physical attachment, so I'd say I question the accuracy of your statement on all counts.

26 April at 09:08

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Arthur James

In other words,Jaba Art, I'm accusing you of telling a lie. Do i ever tell lies? Of course, man. We're all lieing to each other all the friggin, time, bro. IMHO our only hope is to get honest about it.

26 April at 09:12

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Dana Clark

Arthur James - Not me calling....Nature. ;) <3 Tell Nature to take it easy. LOL. :)

But seriously, it needs us all to put our differences aside. All I'm saying. :)

26 April at 09:46

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Dana Clark

And it should be all the inspiration we need and our focus. What could matter more? Certainly none of the NWO crap, including all their puppets and intel zombies - including who is one and who isn't.

Earth. That's all that need be said. <3

26 April at 09:48

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Jaba Art

Arthur James your accusation is blind and will just harm yourself! I'm not interested in any harm! If you make claims proof it! Everything starts with a thought! Fact (Y)

26 April at 18:11

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Jaba Art

Dana Clark you are part of the division that is going on here! Also for your projections i will take no credit! Dont harm yourself! <3

26 April at 18:12

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Arthur Cristian

We finally got around to writing a reply to Dana that encapsulates what has occurred in this thread and elsewhere on FB. We've not had the spare waking life to read all the comments posted here and elswhere on FB since we went to bed yesterday. We plan to do so over the coming day or so and then post everything that transpired here and elsewhere on FB, including our reply to Dana, on this FB Kindom Group wall and all other walls we are involved in. Will post the link here. :)

26 April at 20:28

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Arthur James

// If you make claims proof it! Everything starts with a thought! Fact //

Jaba Art, prove that everything starts with a thought.

28 April at 00:00

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Arthur James

//I'm not attached to anyone or anything not emotionally not physically!//

Jaba Art, prove this statement.

28 April at 00:01

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Arthur James

//Truth is the SAME for everyone//

Jaba Art, prove this statement

28 April at 00:04

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Jaba Art

I invite you to come here and i proof it all to you like emoticon Menawhile you are exposing yourself more and more to harm doing Arthur James!

28 April at 00:26

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Jaba Art

Arthur James Clear your intentions here and now! Why are you here what do you want? Are you searching to create division?

28 April at 00:30

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Arthur James

//But seriously, it needs us all to put our differences aside. All I'm saying//

I agree and that's why I'm writing Conscious Earth Tribalism.

I'd love to see people coming into agreement about all life being worth supporting, yet many people are under the influence of a belief system that there are certain humans (the "ruling elite" or whatever) who are more causal than others and on this planet.

I see this as a limiting factor if these people are to be considered as part of life. I almost never hear real 1st party accounts of "their" supposed atrocities yet "they" often get blamed for "problems" and people seem very fixated on this blame and these problems.

It's classic perp/victim stuff, and it's EVERYWHERE!!!

I've seen such a similar story in so many places I've lost count.

This has been my experience of relationship:

Almost without exception, people WILL defend their conceptual belief systems when challenged.

It's so ubiquitous it's actually very close to friggin hilarious and I often do laugh about this never ending source of drama.

The only reason I can see for this is we are all terrified of being gut level honest about our internal experience. I see the inability to be honest with ourselves and be vulnerable in our expression as a manifestation of distrust on such a massive scale that my conclusion is that no matter how many words we spout about loving life and nature we simply don't trust the process of life itself.

This can be attributed to trauma on some level yet sitting around saying that isn't really a vulnerable expression of our internal experience, and I really don't see any other way forward than to begin to build trust by being honest and vulnerable first with ourselves than allowing that to grow outward in a natural way.

28 April at 01:04

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Arthur James

I feel an outward focus on a vague and nebulous "System" and the idea about a ruling class we've never met who are somehow responsible for the daily choices people make is highly irresponsible and really just an attempt to deflect attention away from our vulnerable inner core. This focus is a dispensation of energy outside the tribes of trust we DO have the ability to create if we drop the concepts and start being honest with ourselves and other.

Human societies are about agreement and cooperative action. If billions of people can agree that money is valuable and structure their activities around this belief than those same people can agree that life is valuable and act accordingly.Approaching people who are holding onto a conceptual belief system with the preconceived notion that you have superior belief system doesn't strike me as anything more than a continuation of the perp/victim meme.

I want to be a part of tribes that prioritize internal honesty, vulnerability, authentic expression and the building of relationships. Human societies only move with trust and always reflect the level of honesty that actually exists in the f2f relationships because trust can truly only be built f2f. With this medium I've decided that part of the process of building the kind of human society I want to live in is questioning belief systems and exchanging ideas.

28 April at 01:04

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Jaba Art

The system does not exists but is the ideas indoctrinated in our mind! Now up to you Arthur James to clear your INTENTIONS! Proof that your intentions are here clearly for NO HARM KINDOM! The ball is in your camp! Everything else would be an excuse to NOT SHOW YOUR INTENTIONS! <3

28 April at 01:39

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Arthur James

I already did, Jaba Art,. What about the pragraph ending my last post didn't you understand? Here it is again. Please address any question to what I'm expressing in the following paragraph:

//I want to be a part of tribes that prioritize internal honesty, vulnerability, authentic expression and the building of relationships. Human societies only move with trust and always reflect the level of honesty that actually exists in the f2f relationships because trust can truly only be built f2f. With this medium I've decided that part of the process of building the kind of human society I want to live in is questioning belief systems and exchanging ideas.//

28 April at 01:43

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Jaba Art

You are using many therms the ones you copy/paste and need explanations because Society/relationships (ship? commerce?) HUE-MAN? Do you want to harm anyone? Do you KNOW how HARM is created??? This are indoctrinated examples of IDEAs of Kindom! But not real facts aloud many "interpretations/Opinions/points of view" But no TRUTH and REALITY! Your interpretation of KINDOM is full 3rd part IDEA but no REMEDY to the System you don't recognise!

28 April at 02:08

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Arthur James

I've been down the rabbit hole of what words "mean", and it goes way beyond any "legal" or "system" and even beyond symbolism of sexual positions to the level of vibration.

It's really quite simple and I can explain it to you in English.

I'm not trying to prove anything or say this is something you need to accept as true, it's just my way of relating to you the reality I've discovered underlying language which has been further abstracted by the use of math and can be seen operating in binary code.
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The spectrum of sound vibration between the English vowels "i" and "o" which are represented mathematically by 1 and 0 are the raw harmonic materials of creation. The 1 is symbolic of light and the 0 is symbolic the space that light travels in. The "i" and "o" are the closest sound wave representation of light and space and this is why they are visually represented as the roughly the same symbols.

The interplay of light in space is limited by a mysterious presence that scientists call gravity. Light being limited in it's movement through space by gravity is what causes all vibration (aka sound) and hence all form.

Written language is visually symbolic of spoken language which is vibration. Vibration is friggin everything, bro. English vowels when spoken are intervals of what in music is called tone and actually have corresponding colors. As with all things that exist this vibration is on a continuum so "interval" is really just saying the sound moved from one recognizable position to another.

So vowels are the raw harmonic materials and consonants are what we use to chop them up and constructs them into the ideas that we share with each other.

As the LFL material very astutely recognizes all this activity affects the flow of water in our breath, which is the basis of vibration being able to have a biological experience.

Of course I know how harm is created, we are "mean" to each other.

If you're saying you have "meanings" for words that are more accurate than mine, I'm gonna hafta cal BS on that. We all relate and create one breath at a time.

28 April at 03:08

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Arthur Cristian

When we (Fiona and Arthur ) can be together to sit and read this thread we will then be able to respond. Much is going on for us - if these responsibilities drag on, particularly for Fiona, we might not get to read what has transpired in this thread until next Wednesday. Once we've read this thread together we will reply - this includes rewriting/editing and including what we already shared here and there, in bits and pieces, in the private PM discussions of this FB Kindom Group going back over the past six days or so. Our reply will also be posted on the wall.

29 April at 13:18

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there is no A

29 April at 18:29

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Arthur Cristian

Copied from this thread: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918/1500723446885995

In reference to all the Intel Operations being performed in any area where we and our Love For Life work is involved......

We don't mind if people get unsettled and leave because it means that they are not yet strong enough to co-create Kindom. We are going to come up against all sorts of opposition along the way and we have to be able to handle it. Events like this really shake the apple tree.

Notice that Antonina does not bring anything of substance to the group for the group to benefit from and yet she makes it out that it is a loss that she is going.

Why is it a loss when she has contributed nothing?

This is a psychological scam that can suck a lot of people in - they think that if she is leaving they are losing something and that maybe they should start doubting the group and everything it stands for.

Antonina has stoked up a big commotion but all she has offered is psychological manipulation that is the illusion that she has offered something of substance.

These rackets happen all the time.

You will see that posts of discussions (copied below) with Arthur James earlier this year follow the same lines - he brings nothing of substance but acts with authority as if he has something of substance to offer that will be a loss to the group if he goes. Dana Clark, among others, bought his tactics hook, line and sinker. (Y) <3 :)

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Arthur Cristian

26th April 2015

We wrote this to Dana back then and sent it to her via FB PM and email.

Both Fiona and Arthur writing here.... we have so many interruptions that there may be some repetition here. We are feeling very pressured by so many things on our plate so do not have time to make everything smooth and polished. We keep coming and going from writing this reply.

In comparison to the Love For Life insights shared since 2005, Arthur James has no different outlook whatsoever, Dana.

He has no original thoughts and ideas - NOTHING.

He is just playing with words using Love For Life insights already covered thousands of times.

Have you stopped to contemplate on what he is saying, sentence by sentence, and think through what we have been saying all these years?

Are you able to do this while remaining e-motionally detached?

When we finish our replies here today, it will be very clear what he is doing here in this Kindom group.

Then comes the question, how has this all gone chaotic for you Dana, because Arthur James has pressed all your buttons and got you back into that "intense" doubt and uncertainty where all your rage and destructive elements appear, leading you to want to destroy everything that is so close to your heart?

Is this not something that you keep creating in your life, with your family and your relationships? Are you noticing that these patterns are again appearing here with us now?

The Eckhart Tolle event caused this happen once before. As did the circumstances surrounding Kemble.

The first thing to realise here is the destructive e-motions that you are experiencing and the reflections of those destructive e-motions that have been projected on Jaba, Scott, us, LFL, etc.

This is born out by things so close to your core where you don't feel secure, protected, nurtured, safe, just as you haven't felt all your life and that you hunger for. This is why you have come to LFL in the first place because this is what you want to heal and what you have been searching for. Meaning these destructive elements need to be played out in a safe environment so that you can heal the breaches to your core.

There is nothing new Arthur James has shared here. Just a twist of LFL insight words going on, that's all.

Look at the deep e-motional reactions going on for you.

A good sign of INTEL at work!

They are sent in to create doubt and uncertainty and he is certainly doing that with you.

He is using ignorance, ridicule, abuse, detachment, etc, to place doubt and uncertainty on our LFL work, all the while refusing to investigate further and find out for himself what LFL is all about.

This is Kemble all over again - won't read the work and yet makes lots of judgements about it using LFL mantras.

And look how fast Kemble disappeared.

Have you not noticed how they come from the same stable in how they behave, in their attitude and approach, with very clever intellects, niceness covering insult and ridicule?

They carry out the destructive behaviour of the child that was rejected, hurt, abandoned because the child questions the love of their family, questions the trust of those around them and experiences this in other relationships because this is what they mirror.

This is intentionally manipulated by Intel - they manipulate their victims to make them question the love in and of their real lives which is where the destruction of that trauma continues reacting (re-----ACT-----IN = the storytelling of trauma repeated over and over again) and therefore being performed as those destructive compelling e-motions. The victims lose control over their real lives and need to blame others for what is happening to them. This is the deeply injured child screaming out for love, for wings to fly far away from this hell that currently imprisons them.

If the trauma is not there, there is no destruction, chaos, no volcano exploding, no LFL Kindom relationships and projects being threatened with extinction.

Arthur James has no intention of reading our LFL work because he is not here for that reason.

He has made that very clear from the beginning.

He does not want to read the work and yet he is an expert in it.

How can this be so?

When you meet someone new, do you not want to learn everything new to you about them and take a real interest?

Do you not put the effort in?

He doesn't do this.

When you go to visit another country, do you try to bring America with you so that all that you see is America all around you still, and nothing of the other country?

Or do you leave America completely behind so that you can be open to the other country and experience all the fullness and richness of its ways of life completely different to America?

Do people who are sincere about searching for truth act like Arthur James?

Do they not want to drink from the waterholes of truth they find?

He has not come here to drink from the LFL waterhole - he has come to pollute the water, to bring chaos amongst all the men and women who are the Kindom dream. All the words we have written mean nothing and do not create Kindom - it is the men and women who create Kindom.

We are the waterhole.

The Kindom waterhole is supposed to be pure white, uncorrupted by black or grey (the way "The System" operates) but all he is offering is touches of black and grey and adding them to the waterhole of the relationships that we all have with each other in the Kindom group.

How else is intel going to fracture this group, apart from blatant, overt actions such as closing the LFL website, YouTube and FB walls, etc, down and killing us all?

They have to find a way to slip in amongst us, appearing to be of the same pure white dream (99%) but bringing their black and grey with them (1%).

Their mantras are very similar to LFL's, but theirs come laced with division, distrust and chaos, doubt and uncertainty.

THE GREATEST LIE AND LIAR IS THE ONE CLOSEST TO THE TRUTH - THEY CAUSE THE GREATEST DAMAGE OF ALL

Have you not noticed this?

Arthur James acts as though he is the purity and sincerity of the waterhole but does not have purity and sincerity to offer because it is compromised as clearly shown by his first comment on the wall.

Did you not notice this?

He cannot come out into the open and say that he thinks we are all a bunch of idiots but he does it very, very, very subtley. This is why he praises us on one side, saying that we have good hearts and intentions and are a good family, but also brings ridicule and attacks, the suggestions that we haven't really got it together, that "The System" does not exist and why are we giving it all our life-energy..... all the things that we have been saying intensely for ten years!!!!!! And all of it clearly mapped out in the Steps Of Kindom back in 2006 -- LOLLLLLLLLLLLL

And all the while, he refuses to read the LFL work and come up with constructive criticism out of original ideas. This is a message in itself - he is fobbing us off by LFL insight association. (This is what Kate of Gaia and others have done with the LFL "name" insight work, over the years.)

He makes it out that he has constructive criticism coming out of original ideas but he is just using twisted LFL mantras/insights to suit his agendas, to make it look as though he is a good guy, coming from the right place with lots of original ideas not yet covered by LFL when everything has already been covered deeply thousands of times!

Are you not noticing this?

By using the LFL mantras but adding the ridicule, he is whiteanting, whitewashing LFL, the intent being to discredit us. The only way that this can work is by him placing his ideas onto a higher standing than the insights we share, which places him onto a higher standing, thus becoming a shepherd of wrack and ruin. He makes out that he has original insights and ideas to offer, but he doesn't.

By placing doubt and uncertainty on us, he gets people thinking that perhaps they should be looking at what he has to share instead, moving on past us. We don't mind this, but we don't like the methods being used and we want people to learn to see them so that they can make choices with open eyes, rather than being manipulated by stealth into outcomes that are not of their own making, dreaming, and not in their best interests. They are being destroyed by words cast by storytellers, wordsmiths.

Through doubt and uncertainty, they create character assassinations, often very subtley, using discrete ridicule such as "voluminous work", verbose, control mechanisms, etc. This is how they corrupt the waterhole, if we of the waterhole let it happen, let their intentions play out through the doubt and uncertainty still resonating in us.

They come with the LFL mantras at the same time as the doubt and uncertainty of the criticism and ridicule of our lives. They have to attack us, the living of the waterhole, because they can't attack the work, thereby relying on the doubt and uncertainty rising up in some of us still at the effect of those reactions which white washes and whiteants the waterhole with the LFL vehicle being the third party fiction we use to communicate those heart-felt, inspired insights across the internet.

We have let this play out so that we can all learn from it by not getting into much of a discussion with Arthur James, not saying much at all but he keeps coming back, coming back, coming back, coming back with his subtle insinuations, showing us that he has another motive compelling him to be here. He has made it clear that he is not interested in reading the LFL work.

HAVE YOU NOT NOTICED THIS?

The red lights are flashing, the alarm bells going off.

We don't see any sincerity coming from him, or any true desire to really comprehend where we are really coming from, we of the other country.

He fobs us off.

All he is offering is what he thinks as opinions and he is trying to make his opinion stand higher than what we have to share. This is what Kemble did. This is why Jews fight Christians and Christians fight Jews. He comes with a conflict which was apparent in the very first post he wrote. The conflict is all that he is offering and he wants us to participate in it, meaning they want us to reactivate the trauma of doubt and uncertainty.

They are very, very clever, but not clever enough... LOL.

If he really wants to fully sense and know the Kindom dream we life and stand for, why doesn't he say, as many do, "thanks for the links, I'll have a look."

He keeps demanding that we do the work for him, keeps trying to pull us into explaining everything for him. Does he not have the will power to have a look for himself? Why is he so insistent in trying to engage us in discussion when we are clearly not wanting to continue?

What he is trying to do here? He is trying to make us justify the LFL work and, by placing his views onto a higher standing and claiming that he is creating something better, he is undermining the LFL work by implying that we have doubt and uncertainty about us which is reflected in to the Kindom remedy, discrediting everything. He is using the 1% to draw us into a conversation with him to have us validate that there is something wrong with Kindom, using the insights of LFL twisted to suit his argument. LOLLLLLLLLLL.

This is like getting Arthur to contract with the legal fiction "name" Arthur Cristian and all the storytelling that comes with it in third party that is recorded on the piece of paper. This is exactly what is being done to Fiona in the courts. Fake claims of injury caused by her that have nothing to do with Fiona's intentions are being recorded on paper.

Arthur James is making out that there is something wrong with the LFL insights we work with that have inspired the Kindom dream. This is his storytelling, and then he is trying to get us involved in discussion and debate about it, as in why we are using the Tyranny of Goodness, and that "The System" doesn't exist and why we are we blaming "The System", when we are not. We don't have any problem with what he is saying because we agree in that "The System" and everything of "The System" does not exist, and is all make-believe, but he is not willing to look at why we are doing it, why we are still using "The System" to get out of "The System" in this life.

We could start saying that he is still using a, b,c, c, 1, 2, 3, and all constructs and concepts derived out of them that make up system thoughts, values, prosthetics, etc, but we don't want to get into these petty arguments because we have already explained the vast background to this in great detail. We never say that we are not still using "The System". He is pointing out things about the LFL work when all the reasons for what we do and say are explained in the LFL work. He is trying to discredit us using our own work against us. LOLLLLLL

Getting us to participate in his concocted discussion (99% + 1%) is validating that we don't know, that we have doubt. We have already answered him, but he still keeps pushing for more. If we continue, we are accepting his claims that there is something not right about our insights and the work we do for Kindom. Now we are giving power to this 1%, this lie. We are not answerable to anybody and he is not answerable to us. We are not his King, Queen or Master, and he is not ours and yet he is pushing us to perform for him. This clearly shows you his motive. He is not coming from unconditional love. He has an agenda that is less than that and it shows up in the way he writes, which is what this reply is all about.

People are drawn to Kindom through their hearts, not because of our words. If he is drawn to the Kindom dream, his heart takes him there and he does not try to compel us to do anything for him. As it is, he is putting a lot of emphasis on us to make things happen for him, to spoon-feed him. We can't spoon-feed someone to Kindom because then they are not taking full responsibility.

"The System" is all about limited responsibility/liability, which is what he is seeking here. He wants us to operate in this domain because then, he can justify that we have misled him and are mis-leading others and that therefore we are misguided and a cult with an agenda because we are lying. Only people operating outside unconditional love operate like this. He is trying to make us responsible for how he feels, for what he sees, etc. We are not interested in that.

We are not blaming "The System". We are just exposing "The System" for what it really is to help everyone who believes in it and gives it power to give it up, to walk away from it, to turn our backs on it never to return. This is what we are all about and what the purpose of LFL has always been. It is part of the mud room of the Steps of Kindom.

We are fully responsible for how we behave and for not lying and misleading anyone and we are fully responsible for NOT taking responsibility for how others behave because they have free will and we have no intention of controlling them. We are no one's cult leaders. This is the only way it works and, if we all do it, then we no longer have "The System" anymore because we are not putting the limited responsibility onto others, which is what happens when we project it on to others and thus play it out in a game of chaos and destruction. We don't come from that chaos. It doesn't live for us and we are not compelled to perform it. However, intel loves to manipulate these situations so that they can be carried out. They love the chaos. When people have nothing left of their dreams, all they have to default back to is "The System" and where it takes them, no matter who it is that leads "The System" remedies out front.

If Arthur James were fully responsible, he would go to the website and do the work or not, as he chose, but he would not try to make others do the work for him. The whole of "The System" operates like this, and with it come the Intel networks that operate like this.

This is what we are getting away from in this group and why we don't want to get into a conversation about this in this Kindom group and why we direct people to the website. We do not want to mirror the doubt and uncertainty being projected by others in this Kindom group. We don't want to play out this coordinated, pre-conceived chaos of doubt and uncertainty in this group because we would then be destroying everything we live for and inviting others to participate in this satanic ritual of destruction. We have learnt this from being parents of children and learning how to keep the family together in spite of all the differences, learning how to get on with each other.

These natural skills were at the heart of all the tribes and the families of those tribes. You can see why the men and women of the Freemasonic world invaded to destroy tribes and families of those tribes all across earth with the intent to raise generations of in-divide-u-all drones controlled ONLY by "System" thought, spoon-fed by words to be given fake lives, fake consciousness, fake everything.

If you guys cannot get your head around this then you are still up for being manipulated, used and abused in 1001 ways.

This is a Kindom group for people who are committed to Kindom, who have gone past all this. We have clearly told Arthur James what this group is all about and that if he is not interested in Kindom, then this is not the place for him.

WE WILL LEAD EVERY REVOLUTION AGAINST US.

They have to usurp the movements of their perceived threats and the claimed "leaders" of those movements so that they can replace them with their own leaders and control those movements to take over the claimed sheep. But there are no sheep at the LFL waterhole so they corrupt the waterhole so that those who are the Kindom waterhole can only default back to "The System" and whatever is offered there.

We have never claimed that we are better than anyone else because matters of the heart have no leaders or followers, no 1st or last, rich or poor, etc, as is clearly explained in our LFL work, over and over again.

Arthur James is acting as the shepherd encouraging those of Kindom to walk away to what he says he has that is better than LFL but this is only done off the back of fragmenting the waterhole which means that those of the waterhole have to experience the destructive e-motions of doubt and uncertainty that pull them away from those they were forming Kindom bonds with in the waterhole.

Notice that he doesn't share anything of his "remedy". All he has offered thus far is this chaos, offering twisted LFL insights, just as they twisted the insights of the original MAN that they turned into the Buddha and the original MAN that they turned into Jesus and many, many others, so that they can control the waterholes of these wisdom keepers.

They have to control the outcomes, which means they have to destroy all their perceived threats.

This is why he came with ridicule in his first post, trying to make us do the work for him, being needy in what he wants from us. He doesn't know us, has never lived with us or had any private dealings with us, has never visited the Love For Life Kindom country and admits that he is unwilling to do so, and therefore has never been injured by us and yet he takes pot shots at us with nothing to back them. He is making things personal.

Notice that we have not taken pot shots at him with nothing to back what we are saying. Everything we are saying about him is based on the behaviour he has exhibited in his interactions with us on FB. We are not making up anything about him or his life outside FB because we do not know him.

Why can't he take full responsibility for finding out what he wants to find out himself? Why does he need us to hold his hand? We didn't have to hold yours, Dana. You were hungry for information and you did what you had to do to get it. Why can't he do the same?

By trying to make us prove to him what LFL is, he is trying to get us to show doubt and uncertainty in and of us, which is mirrored in what we are all about and then this is played out in the waterhole to affect anyone who still has doubt and uncertainty issues about their real lives as part of the waterhole.

This is how the relationships in the waterhole are fragmented because you are now questioning those in the waterhole, which is mirrored in your own doubt and uncertainty being projected. You want us to perform the act of this doubt for you but we, including Jaba and Scott and others, will not participate in this pantomime of chaos with you because this is not what we are about. We do not work for the dark side that are the projections, shadows and reflections of that doubt and uncertainty, the 1%.

We do not serve it and do not live for it. This is why you don't see these e-motional reactions from us, which is why we don't come after you or turn our backs on you. We still reach out to you. This is the natural 100% behaviour in many in this group, as can be seen in this discussion. And nobody has back-stabbed you.

As Jaba said, we will use truth (100%) to scrutinise everything, but that is not doubt and uncertainty. Jaba can say anything he likes to us and we will not react e-motionally to him because we know that he comes from purity and sincerity, rather than from an agenda to undermine us and LFL. There is no intent to harm another because there is no e-motional attachment to any outcome here because there is no doubt and uncertainty in that way.

Jaba can tell us to fuck off if that is what he is feeling in the moment and we will not take it personally but will have a laugh and move on with Jaba as long as we are still sharing unconditional love, not trying to squeeze each other into preconceived boxes, meaning we do not need Jaba to love us for us to feel loved.

This is the opposite from someone needing that love from someone else to feel loved, which is where you are still challenged and this is why you cling to anything that gives you some perceived sanctuary because they talk about it. You are thinking about the love but you are not being that unconditional love, creating that unconditional love, living that unconditional love, setting that unconditional love into motion.

You still don't want to take on that full responsibility for being the magnificence that you really are.

If you were being, living that unconditional love, there would be no conflict here. You wouldn't be experiencing the destructive e-motions from not being that unconditional love and not having that unconditional love always present to you and therefore present to all who come into contact with you.

This is why you are vulnerable and deeply challenged because you have not yet taken the full responsibility to be that unconditional love in present sense, set into motion by you. It's not 100%. It might be 99% but that 1 % is the conflict of those stories playing out as those reflections of doubt and uncertainty to the magnificence of the unconditional love that you really are, so you push it away, meaning that you are pushing you away from that unconditional love and, in doing so, you reflect that by pushing every one else away from that unconditional love because you have trust issues about the unconditional love and so keep looking for reasons not to trust.

Your intimate, sacred relationship to unconditional love has been shattered so that you are a victim to not having that unconditional love in and of you in present sense so that, from here, the trauma of this shattered reality to unconditional love is played out for the rest of your life, unless you change the story.

This is why you have the complaints about your mother and other family, and us and others here. The unconditional love is not present to you for you to feel and be and live the sacredness of that unconditional love in and of you that nurtures you and everyone around you too.

This will keep happening to you all your life until you give up the victim card. You haven't taken on the full responsibility to have the unconditional love to be in and of you so that you are present to that unconditional love that you are and that you live for, as is everyone who comes in contact with you because that is what is on offer at the waterhole of Kindom that we all live for.

When we are all doing this, we have Kindom.

If the unconditional love is not present to you, it is not present to those around you.

Words do not contain unconditional love and therefore are of the 1% we are all referring to. Words do not exist as sensory life forms to absorb unconditional love, to create unconditional love and experience the effects of unconditional love.

Words have all to do with limited responsibility/liability, meaning we have given up unconditional love for an explained fake copy of it that we think about without ever being it. This is why billions are trained/conditioned to words because there is no unconditional love there to be experienced and therefore they are all very easily controlled and manipulated. They do not know who they really are. They are lost to the storytelling of unconditional love which is all trauma based.

This is where ALL destructive e-motions come from - there is no unconditional love existing there. There is noone of the living being and living unconditional love in present-sense. This is trauma, this is doubt, this is uncertainty, this is denial, this is rejection, this is anger, this is hatred, this is ridicule, this is abuse, this is detachment, this is insincerity, this is impurity, this is loneliness, emptiness, despair, power and control trips, this is e-go, etc, etc, and this is spiritual suicide in practice, we are falling and falling far, far, far away from being and living unconditional love. This is the shattered reality that is "The System".

It is a story of the trauma of unconditional love that you carry and is everything that is not unconditional love and so has to be anger, distrust, detachment, aloofness, iciness, rage, loneliness, emptiness, lack of direction and with that the fait acompli of the destruction of relationships that might have been 99% unconditional love but the 1% that was destruction was allowed to be the god in that relationship.

The chaos of this doubt and uncertainty is what is present to you and to all those who come into contact with you. This is the "TYRANNY OF GOODNESS" in action because this is ONLY what you have on offer!!!!!! Either it's paradise in-between us or destruction in-between us.

This is why the viscous cycles of attachment to words keep coming back to you and why you are back in the same dark place right now. You don't yet feel secure around people who are strong and are prepared to disagree and argue with each other, all the while maintaining the unconditional love between them.

The story of your distrust that started long ago when you didn't feel safe, is carried out by you having to prove that you can't trust others by testing them and by looking for the evidence that you are right to distrust others, rather than trusting the unconditional love and not being concerned about what others are doing. You still have the word-story that you are not good enough for that unconditional love and that you can't trust people because they will use, abuse and mislead you.

There is no evidence of the distrust going on, just the trauma-based-word-story that lives for you that is the fake reality that you chose to create, in fact, reactivate. You still want everything to be smooth and rosy and for people not to have any confrontations around you, which is why you become upset when they occur, as with the unhealthy word-story associations you have placed Kemble and with Arthur James and with Eckhart Tolle, etc, etc.

Again, you are drawn to the words (1%) of unconditional love that provide you with sanctuary but you are still not willing to take on the full responsibility (100%) to live it so you place the responsibility on others like us to live it for you so that you can drink from it in them. And when it doesn't work out, you have all the evidence to prove that you were right and that you can't trust anyone, when you were the ONLY one with the distrust in the first place, and created the whole situation for you to re-experience the trauma reactivating through you.

We can assure you that it is not coming from us or anyone else in this group and we are not going to participate in this black magic ritual to destroy this waterhole. It seems that you are not yet fully conscious of this, but this is what is being played out. And don't play the pride and shame card here either because this is all part of the scam and we are all stronger than this. You are not answerable to us. We are your true brothers and sisters here. We are not judging you here or holding it against you. All we are doing is inspiring you to rise above it all and that you are stronger than this and can do better than this.

This shows you how big the full responsibility that we have is but we don't give up on unconditional love. This is why our lives are so hectic with one foot in "The System" and everything that comes with it and one foot stretching out towards Kindom and everything that comes with that, and we have to somehow manage to keep it all together. We have not had any training for this! We are having to create it as we go along, which is what builds up the wisdom.

We have to maintain the unconditional love for Hannah and for Aidan and for many, many others because, if we sell out, we are not only letting down who we really are, we are also letting down all those who want to drink from the Kindom waterhole of unconditional love and experience it because they didn't have the experience of unconditional love from their parents and others around them. Their relationship to unconditional love was shattered in the womb.

This is why we say, if we are not creating the light of unconditional love that is Kindom, there will be no light for those lost to the darkness that is "The System" to return to. They will remain as aliens to their motherland, ruled by others.

We have all been victims to this, Dana, and we all still have to work on accepting and trusting our magnificence, so this is not about we are better than Dana. Just yesterday, we were discussing with Hannah what we all need to do to to allow Kindom to happen and how we have to keep working on our unconditional love and trust that so that we do not put up obstacles to Kindom through our doubt and uncertainty, so that the 1% of the lie slips through. We all have much to learn to be the unconditional love (100%) that we set into motion that walks the talk of Kindom!

When you already have the unconditional love for you in you, you do not need to seek it from others and you will not take it personally when someone like Jaba points out what he sees in your thinking that is not coming from unconditional love.

The e-motional attachment that you have to the words of others about unconditional love that you have misguidedly mistaken for your sanctuary are leading you to destroy the bonds that you have with your real, living brothers and sisters of Kindom that is your true sanctuary. The living are more important than the words. The sanctuary that you feel in the words is fake because you are not living that unconditional love. You seek comfort in the words that bounce between the ears. This is no different to people finding sanctuary in Holy Books, Jesus, Mohamed and Buddha and the New Age and astrology and money, etc. The whole of "The System" of words ("explained names" of whatever) is made up of this fakeness because it is a fake motherland full of fake lives.

You have sought sanctuary with Eckhart Tolle, with Kemble and with Arthur James because you don't have the sanctuary in you. This is why you become so upset when others point out the lies we see in their work and why people go to war with each other over belief systems.

You have the conflict with Eckhart Tolle, you are the one who has the conflict with Kemble and with Arthur James. You do not have the conflict with us because we have not hurt you.

Where is the conflict coming from that has you behave like this here? Does it come from the fake relationship (e-motions) that you have formed with the words of Eckhart Tolle, Kemble and Arthur James or from your relationship with us? How have we hurt you?

There are no injuries coming from us. You are fantasising the injuries of your childhood through the fake attachments you make that are threatened when people in this group scrutinise without e-motional attachment. These fake sanctuaries have all come from your ego and these fake sanctuaries that are formed throughout "The System" are why men and women go to war with each other, placing more importance on the words than on their brothers and sister. These relationships with fake sanctuaries are not natural, which is why they destroy who we really are.

Words cannot cause injury, they can only reactivate traumas or inspiration, but we have to allow that to happen. It is a choice. Words alone have no life force, nothing. It is the relationship that you have to those words that allows the relationship that you have with who you are to be experienced through those words that compel you or inspire you to set into motion the experiences you are experiencing in the moment, as is happening here as you read this.

We make sure that LFL does not become a fake sanctuary for anyone and we work hard to scare off anyone who wants to cling to LFL because we are not leaders and they should not be followers. If we allow people to cling, they become anchors around our necks, taking up lots of time and attention with their victim status. They are needy, wanting to suck us dry of our life force energy because they are not willing to take full responsibility for their lives. This is why people cling to Jesus.

The dream of Kindom is 100%, not 99%. The NWO is 99%, a world of people needing the NWO. We don't live for needy people wanting us to rescue them through Kindom because then they are not taking full responsibility to be that Kindom in their everyday life. People who are needy want saviours, rescuers and messiahs, and leaders and they will fight for them and ignore, remove and/or kill everyone who gets in the way.

Everything about the NWO is led out front by storytellers of words and is constructed only out of words, while Kindom has nothing to do with words because words cannot create it. We have to be Kindom and live Kindom. We have to sense Kindom through our consciousness, which has nothing to do with words. Words do not make up our consciousness. This is impossible.

Words cannot live Kindom for us because there is no unconditional love created by the living to be that Kindom. The life behind unconditional love is not in words, it is in the MAN who sets unconditional love into motion and therefore IS that unconditional love here and now in present sense.

Massive difference here.

Words will not lead us to freedom, only continue our enslavement. This is what we have been pointing out since 2005. When we raise children in nature, they are already the motion of life. It is the education of words that stops that natural motion, freezing them and severing their connection with consciousness through the introduction of a fake program of unnatural-motions that they have to perform that comes out of words. This is what Arthur James is offering. His God is "The System". He is pointing out what we have been pointing out for the last 10 years at the same time as offering a story of words that suggests that what we have been pointing out is not right and that there is a better way. The 1% that writes us off as being too voluminous, a control method, etc. LOLLLLLLLLLLL

We don't have any e-motional attachments about what he says of that 1% because we really are who we really are and we can only write how we write and those that really care and are really searching, go to the LFL work anyway and read and watch and drink and drink and work it out (FEEL/SENSE) for themselves. It lives for those who are sincere. That's what this is all about.

However, when the trauma comes up in discussions, as is happening with us, Scott, Jaba, etc, we lose connection with our senses because the relationships that we have with the words are threatened. We start to protect those who embody the words that we are protecting, the words of that fake sanctuary that we have nestled into. All the unnatural motions of the programs (e-motions = 1%) are being set into motion here, which have nothing to do with the natural motions of life.

This is what Intel relies on to break us apart and keep us apart. In the state of trauma, you can no longer sense Jaba, sense us and where we are coming from and all that is going on is the e-motional attachment to the unnatural motion of words scripted by others that comes from the doubt and uncertainty (1%) that we still harbour that has become your god. It has been raised to a higher standing than everything else. Now there is no Kindom. Kindom is destroyed.

This is the abyss of trauma (1%) you have to walk across to Kindom (100%) so that it no longer controls you, which will take a lot of courage, a lot of guts. When we get to the other side, the trauma has not come with us to Kindom because we have left it behind where it belongs, in "The System" of words and fake sanctuaries and fake leaders because we have stopped clinging to it. The 1% trauma of doubt and uncertainty is no longer a monkey on our back.

Jaba is not your enemy and neither are we, or anyone else here. It is your relationship to your trauma that has you experience this fake phenomena.

We have to be able talk straight with each other and know that the bonds of unconditional love are not broken just because we have a perceived disagreement. It is like a marriage in which there are arguments but the arguments never destroy the marriage. There are no back doors. The bonds to unconditional love are greater than anything else that comes along. Back doors (limited responsibility/liability = 1%) is what "The System" is all about because it operates from the shattered reality of the severage of the bonds of unconditional love. It is a world of men, women and children who have experienced the sacredness of unconditional love being shattered through them, in and of them so that they cling to fake sanctuaries, filled up with fake words and stories and storytellers of unconditional love, freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, all of it destructive e-motions being set into motion. If these bonds had not been severed, there would be no system.

This is where Arthur James comes in with words (s-words), ready to manipulate those who still cling to the 1% because they still have doubt and uncertainty about their magnificence as unconditional love. They come with their "Tyranny Of Goodness" swords to stab you deeply and reactivate the trauma, to get you to perform these unnatural e---motions that pull you away from the Kindom dream you live for. And he can only get away with it while that doubt and uncertainty is there. If there is no trauma there, the intel swords have no power because they don't exist to effect you. Once doubt and uncertainty is gone, all they can do is kill you, and even then, they have only killed the body, not the living-consciousness of Dana and the rest of us.

99% truth is not acceptable, it must be 100%, meaning that we must rout out ALL lies, all doubt and uncertainty. 100% is being it and living it, not just talking about it while still being part of "The System" and doing nothing to start weaning their lives out of "The System".

Prince Ea's words sound great and his sentiments are obviously sincere but he has no idea what it will actually take to stop destroying Nature/Earth and therefore, all those drawn to his words will keep destroying and destroying all the while they are sorry about the destruction! They remain system consumers, system slaves ripe for the NWO, all trapped in that 1% that is the fake sanctuaries they are cling onto. This is what Jaba is pointing out and what the Freemasonic world relies on to pull it off.

You can say that it is a stepping stone in people's awakening but is it? Where does it inspire them to create Kindoms? How does it allow them to experience Kindoms all around them? All they are experiencing as "alternatives" to "The System" are still in "The System", exactly what "our masters" want!

The key to Kindoms is no education of children, but you won't see that in any of their remedies. In their remedies, the education continues. It is a war of words. Prince Ea doesn't talk about no education and neither does Murrumu. The whole goal of Kindom is to walk away from a world of words because with a world of words, we have a world of war against unconditional love, set against against the magnificence of the uniqueness and originality of all of creation that IS the living dream of MANS life.

This is where this discussion was coming from, where Jaba's discussion was coming from and where the Eckhart Tolle discussion was coming from. Most people have no idea how to be and live and create unconditional love always because they are still dreaming system dreams (words) and there is nowhere in "The System" to learn how to do this. All they have is system words and constructs and no idea how not to corrupt a pure and sincere dream because they are still using system thoughts and ideas to create Kindom dreams. This is impossible, as you know, and why Jaba is so on the mark about pointing out any lies that he sees because the lies are trauma based.

What are you experiencing here, Dana?

Unconditional love or anything but that?

How did you allow this situation to come about? This is what you need to examine now so that you can learn your patterns and how much power you give away to others to control you with.

Jaba does not have doubt and uncertainty about who he is and therefore does not have neediness with us, just as we are not needy of Jaba. The unconditional love of all those virtues of love is what creates the waterhole amongst us and this is what we are setting into motion because this is where we are coming from, from this unconditional love rather than from doubt and uncertainty, which only offers chaos and destruction. Enter Arthur James, Kemble and everyone else whose intent is to work with this chaos to destroy those amongst us who are not strong enough to keep the unconditional love as the standard amongst us all.

You say that you still have issues about the Eckhart Tolle situation, but this is still the doubt and uncertainty that goes back to your childhood being projected into the waterhole where you are seeking sanctuary from that hell

We are all different and this will never change. But in the waterhole, you perceive open discussion as an attack on you, rather than us all learning together to heal our system damage. This situation will keep happening until you have healed that doubt and uncertainty about who you really are. And there is no need to feel hurt pride about this. Pride is one of the biggest obstacle to us letting go of our system shit. We all have to learn to be humble.

What does it matter if you disagree with what we said about Eckhart Tolle? Does that have to come in the way of us working powerfully together? We cannot expect to agree on everything, just to not let our differences get in the way of our shared Kindom dreams.

You are still needy, Dana, because you are still healing your doubt and uncertainty and this means that you look for unnatural words to lean on and you are leaning on the unnatural words of James Arthur now, just as you leaned on the unnatural words of Kemble and Eckhart Tolle rather than on those living-bonds you have formed with the living, the ones inspired from your heart, soul, consciousness.

This is a deep e-motional problem, like a sickness, that all of us coming out of "The System" have and that we all have to heal. You are not alone with this. We warned you that there would be more Kembles coming along and here is another one and there will be many more.

Many people resonate deeply with the LFL work because they want to heal the damage deep in them from very early in childhood where the damage began. The LFL insights are soothing to their soul because it feels whole to them. Intel use these key words and then by association, they use ridicule and abuse so that they stir up the doubt and uncertainty that is still being harboured because people are still healing from unnatural attachments to soulless words. This is what Dana is experiencing here, and anyone else who is going through this, because we are building real heart-inspired relationships here, building up strong, unbreakable bonds and trust between us. Without this, there cannot be Kindom.

Remember how you reacted to what we said about Eckhart Tolle because of the deep emotional attachment you had with words associated with his storytelling. You got very e-motionally upset and angry, which shows that you still have doubt and uncertainty about who you really are, leaving you vulnerable to manipulation to the point where you will sabotage what you really dream for because of your e-motions. This is not to have a go at you because you are doing amazingly to get to where you are now from where you have been.

You have got to remember that we are not rejecting you or turning away from you when we do not agree with you or point out these things to you, just as Jaba is not either. This is how strong we have to be, Dana, and it is in this Kindom group that we have to be able to point out to each other where we each of us is still being swayed by system thought (e-motionally charged words of unnatural motions/behaviour/attitudes), where our blind spots are and where we still need to grow.

None of this is about rejection and abandonment, about criticism and putting anyone down. It is the true passion of unconditional love coming from the intent of brothers and sisters inspiring each other, shining the light of truth for each of us so that, in doing so, we all lift each other, even as we keep raising the bar, raising the bar, raising the bar.

When you e-motionally react because of your doubt and uncertainty, you project that doubt and uncertainty onto those around you, turning everything into the rejection and abandonment you have experienced so many times in your life. You are still looking to blame someone else, something else for the e-motions you are feeling, and your deep anger from how you were treated as a child and for the treatment you have received as an adult as a result of the situations you have created in your life.

Intel is designed to manipulate you e-motionally, to stir up the doubt and uncertainty you still have about who you are and your strength so that it becomes doubt and uncertainty about Arthur and Fiona, Scott, Jaba, Love For Life, etc. Remember, Intel has the ability to see all your private FB stuff, your emails, etc, etc, to know everything they need to know about you going right back to when you were born. It is not hard for them to find out how to press your buttons. These people will continue to appear in our lives until "The System" is no more and we have to be strong enough to deal with them listening and looking into EVERYTHING we are doing 24/7. And you can easily become strong enough to deal with them. It just takes practise and a willingness to take off the rose-coloured glasses.

As parents of four children, what we have tried to do is create a safe environment for them where they can express everything they need to. This is what we are creating here too, in this private Kindom group - a place where we can all feel safe to air our shit without feeling that we are going to be judged, put down, rejected and written off. This is what you still expect, deep down. Even though you are passionate about Love For Life, as soon as there is something that presses a button, you expect this situation to fall apart, to turn to shit and for you to be let down again. And again, it is you reactivating it all here.

When others scrutinise things that are close to your heart, you feel an attack on you when none is intended. You still don't feel safe and you are still healing the damage of what has happened to you in your life.

Dana, don't you want people to be able to express exactly what they think and feel and still feel safe, even if what they say is not something you agree with? It is the deep fractures in who we really are, the shattering of the child that we were pushed into the education of "The System" that has us seek to get others to conform to what we think and feel and to get upset with others when they don't. This is why most people have a limited circle of friends who do not push them out of their comfort zones and feel uncomfortable with just about everyone else, once they get beneath the surface superficiality.

The Tavistock Institute and the Freemasonic networks behind it who recorded generational experimentation going right back to Ancient Egypt have spent many hundreds of years doing research into how to manipulate our doubt and uncertainty and today, they train thousands in these techniques, just in working on the deep core fractures of children.

We and our ancestors have been under their microscope for hundreds of generations and everything that is written on the LFL website and FB walls will be under their microscope too and they will continue to send their minions in to try to create doubt and uncertainty amongst us. When we have room on land, they will send their operatives in amongst us to try to turn us against each other. We need to be able to spot them and deal with them without allowing them to create distrust between us. Even if we disagree about them, we do not let that become a reason for division between us.

How do we know you are not Intel? Because we feel your intent and your sincerity and the goodness of your heart, even when you don't agree with us. Why are you insulting Scott and Jaba by accusing them of just "parroting Arthur's wisdom" when previously you have been so warm and supportive of them? Notice how nobody is making you the "bad guy" here and yet suddenly Scott and Jaba are "bad guys"because they are pointing things out to you. And we don't think any of us actually said Arthur James was definitely intel, just that he showed all the signs and does not seem sincere in his intent.

If you step back, you will see that we deal with many people who have different outlooks to us and we certainly do not label them all as being of ill-intent. There are many, many people out there who are very good people who have a different outlook to us and we do not write them off and are on very amicable terms with many of them because we recognise the goodness of their hearts and intentions even if they do not see things as we do.

Arthur & Fiona Cristian

We wrote this 26th April 2015

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Most Powerful Video On Spirituality
And Happiness FOR SLAVES
Or
How To Accept Slavery And Be Happy About It


Arthur Cristian - Love For Life

6th August 2014

Link: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8548

Facebook Discussion About The Work Of Eckhart Tolle

Links: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10204322437169131
and https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/695542583816854

The title of this video should be changed to "The Most Powerful Video On Spirituality and Happiness FOR SLAVES".

We were asked by Dana....

"Arthur, have you ever seen this Eckhart Tolle video before? Although he does (only very briefly) mention a few constructs of the system, such as Jesus and Buddha, i think a lot of what he shares could really be helpful for people trying to break free of the illusion, and - even more so - the trauma. "

We replied............

You won't see him point out all the nefarious psyops programs that locks the duped into "The System". He maybe innocent of his duplicity but his work prepares the duped to enter the NWO without realising the psyops programs currently compelling them to continue their/our/MANS enslavement. The Dalai Lama is another blatant mis-leader using almost the same type of psyops programming tactics Echart Tolle is working with.

Everything gets incredibly simple, uncomplicated and easy when fallen-MAN can recognise the clearly defined distinction between SENSE & NON-SENSE, between sensory images and non-sensory images.

"The System" is trauma based and everything of "The System" is reaction to trauma which is all about giving our life-force-energy to non-sensory-images (darkness) to set them into motion.

SENSE = direct-sensory-experience

NON-SENSE = non-direct-sensory-experience requiring 3rd parties acting as impostors of 1st party sensory life-forms, i.e: that sensory life-form over there is a daffodil and is yellow. Another example... the thought of God is NOT God, the thought of freedom, consciousness, peace is NOT freedom, consciousness, peace. They are just the non-sensory images (thoughts/ideas/pictures) put into your head by others telling you how to think and act about a freedom, a God, a consciousness, a peace, etc, and therefore are trapped in the compelling e-motion of a freedom, a God, a consciousness, a peace, etc, without ever living/being/directly-experiencing freedom, etc.

There is no first party to first party direct sensory experience of God, freedom, peace, consciousness because we are not being/living freedom, God, peace, consciousness, etc, in present-sense. We are just trapped in the ideas of them without ever being free, conscious, etc, = lost in NON-SENSE.

Re-presenting the thoughts and ideas of others is NON-SENSE.

Besides our tribal-ancestors being invaded, decimated, humiliated, murdered, etc, and enslaved, the worst thing ever done to all of us was education. We were never meant to be educated, to be under the image power of another MAN.

Without the education/brainwashing of "The System", Toll's work cannot be performed. Toll's work completely relies on "The System" to provide him with the tools he uses to explain everything to the duped already brainwashed by "The System" education program.

All con-structs/con-cepts are performed exactly like this.

Toll's work is just a new modified addition to the existing assembly line where the conveyer belt running through factory planet earth's production line is delivering the end product of processed, manufactured drones, robots and slaves conceived out of MAN.

In the supermarket do you have freedom or choice?

In "The System" do you have freedom or choice?

Whose thoughts, ideas, dreams are you thinking and setting into motion?

If they can get you to think what they want you to think and get you to set these images into motion they will have conned you into creating that. Slaves willingly create a world in their masters image without realising.

In the education you have been provided with thus far does it provide freedom or choice?

What about Eckart Tolle, does his work provide you with freedom or choice?

While the duped are in the NOW, they are still slaves to "The System" before, during and after being in the now. Bar a change in the use of a psyops program NOTHING REALLY HAS CHANGED.

While the brainwashed are going within to find peace in their environment they forever remain slaves to "The System".

Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, New Ager's, Atheist's, etc, continue being slaves to "The System" in present-sense regardless for how long and how hard their efforts may have been in practising the many rituals of their religion, belief, faith & associated opinion - the lie continues to compel them to be e-motional slaves. Such is the very clever slight of hand deception at play by Freemasons/Satanists. Watch out for Eckhart Tolle as his "spelling" magic tricks will compel you even deeper into hell ("The System").

A NWO slave remains deeply traumatised regardless how much they believe they have stepped away from being under the influence of trauma. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

As for waking up from the illusion - LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Note: We debunked Eckart Tolle back in 2005 - he is a beneficial lackey-asset for the NWO agenda.

http://youtu.be/KopmSpe33Eg?list=PLB502E18EF2614B1F
The Most Powerful Video on Spirituality and Happiness - Rare Eckhart Tolle Teaching - Must See
See this page for more happiness, health and wealth: http://tinyurl.com/foryourabundanceEckhart's...

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Frances Cranton

Well pointed out ,another that peddles the same is Deepok Chopra,they want people to be in a new age utopia ,your thoughts ,dreams are not your own just a mind program to hypnotize you with a philosophy so the duped think they are in control

6 August at 19:37

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Arthur Cristian

Exactly- well said Frances

6 August at 19:42

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Arthur Cristian

Via FB PM sanitised wrote: "What do you make of the 12 step program? I have personally witnessed hundreds of people drag themselves from the pit of addiction into a new found freedom. Although their literature talks about god and higher power, there are no leaders and no money changes hands and everyone defines their own idea of god. In act everyone defines their own idea about anything. Do you see any value in anything at all other than nature? Do you not think that it's possible that even Eckhart tolle can help people as long as they eventually realise that he is not the answer?

We replied..........

The Church of Scientology also helps many people escape addiction but they are still offering brainwashing at the end of the day. There are many programs in "The System" that help people to get out of the pits, which is great, BUT there is no way out of "The System" and no explanation of the psyops programs we are constantly bombarded with.

Everything and anything can be a step towards awakening if people dream for and do wake up to such facts but while they remain slaves THEY ARE SLAVES.

There is no amount of buttering up capable of changing this slavery fact.

We use all the "awakening" work going on all-around us as part of the grooming of entry into the NWO to reach others who may not be able to be reached otherwise. The NWO has its benefits for people like us! LOLLLLLLLLLL

Contemplating on a piece of dog shit can wake someone up too.

There are numerous ways towards awakening - the key is in recognising the real awakening along the path of awakening that has MAN depart from "The System" of slavery forevermore. Currently, we are one of the very few, if ANY in "The System", who offer such a NO SYSTEM (no slavery) remedy.

Which do you prefer, the choice of freedom or freedom?

6 August at 20:12

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Arthur Cristian

Sanitised wrote: "what about all the kindoms in russia set up around the anatasia books?"

We replied..........

They are all still slaves to "The System" - the proletariat still lingers overhead. How can they have true freedom while multi millions of their brothers/sisters all-around-them remain deeply lost in hell ("The System").

However, these Kindoms, and there are only a few, are getting closer to real freedom than most but, if the problem of all those around them still being slaves isn't solved, they will be swallowed up because they won't have the community immunity to stop it.

It all comes back to their intention. If they are truly awakened, then they have a full-responsibility to awaken others and to offer others a direct sensory experience of Kindom (no man-made system) life so that others can then choose if they want to be part of it. This is what we are all about.

The real Kindom is one that has freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, and everyone lives for everyone else's freedom, truth, peace, joy, etc, because if everyone else has it, we have it too. This means getting past self centredness, self-obsession, my consciousness, my freedom, my security, my money, my land, my labour, "own", "own". "own", "mine", "mine", "mine", "i", "i", "i", etc, etc, etc = IN-DIVIDE-U-All-ism. If all around us do not have truth, freedom, etc, etc, then we do not have it either and are living in the midst of a man-made hell, just as we are now.

6 August at 20:38

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Dominic Toomey

if eckhart tolle is extolling staying in the present moment all the "time" i wouldn't that would involve exiting the system

6 August at 21:00

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Dominic Toomey

so he's advocating exiting the system,good man

6 August at 21:00

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Arthur Cristian

Sanitised replied....

regarding scientology, yes of course it helps people with addiction and other things as does christianity and judaism etc. Of course that doesn't mean that they are not full of BS. And I think the 12 step prig has some BS in it. But i have witnessed people really heal their lives and wake up big time in these programs. and to compare scientology to 12 step is not the best comparison. for lots of reasons. The reason I particularly ask about 12 step is because whilst I think your idea for kingdom is great, I think that we all wake up at our own pace and there may be things along the way that can help as a stepping stone. I had an idea, which i know you will shot down (in a way it suits me if people shoot down my ideas as that way it doesn't take my energy) the idea being to set up a 12 step program called something like 'controlaholics anonymous' with the idea to help all of us with our control issues (the need to control comes from fear) and this could be a political fellowship that could start to try and dismantle parts of the system bit by bit. its difficult to explain in a message on FB. I am going to make a video about it and would welcome your criticism!

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We replied........

Every little bit helps and yes there are many ways that people wake up and many system things that may help them along the way. And yes, people need transitional steps....which we offer through the 2006/2007 "The Steps of Kindom" (note, no "G" in Kindom) http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304. Have a read if you haven't before. Dismantling "The System" in this life is great but we must be very careful not to replace it with ANOTHER system in another guise (NWO) that drags on forevermore, generation after generation!!! This is what is on offer from all those "freedom, truth, love" lackeys out there, such as Sacha Stone, Russel Brand, etc.

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Sanitised replied........

I met russel brand and although I think he is an imperfect human, i got a good feeling from him when we first met. He doesn't seem to be offering another system - in fact that is what his critics accuse him of. Do you not think he or anyone else can be of value? I have actually been trying to contact him recently again.

i presume you think bashar is dodgy too!

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We replied..........

He clearly promotes another man-made system BIG-TIME. Refer to these posts: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10202248091431784 and https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10202286637235405

Bashar is DODGY BIG-TIME too..... LOLLLLLLLLL - Channeling is a man-made Freemasonic/Satanic practise in remote projection, remote viewing and remote control (PSYOPS PROGRAMMING) - there is no other world, higher reality, other dimensional/higher beings "out there" - all is MAN-made storytelling (IMAGE POWER set into motion by fallen/conned-MAN). Bring forward an experience without MAN being a party to that experience?

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Sanitised replied........

What about bob Cambell

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We replied.......

Who is he? We don't know about him yet. Send us a link to his website. We will let you know what we think ASAP.

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Sanitised replied........

Tom Cambell I mean. His theory of everything. He says that there is a larger conciousness system but that we are living in a virtual reality and without us it wouldn't be here. Have you seen his stuff? Even if russel brand is mistaken, is it not possible that he is doing good? As for bashar, I think that all he is doing is free association. He claims it's channeling an alien as a get out or those people who can't take it but in other videos he states that he is not really channeling. When I do my megaphoning on the street, I am completely present and don't think about what to say. It just comes out.

Also, are there any people in the uk that are attempting to set up a kindom?

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We replied.........

You are creating your work in present sense, even when you receive support from ancestors all-around-you. You are not fobbing off your work to an invisible 3rd party = fraud & lies & passing the buck (cop outs). You are fully responsible for everything you are creating moment by moment. You are in the drivers seat - satanists think otherwise.

Tom Cambell - we know his theory work. We say that all of consciousness is MANS consciousness and that all we see is of that consciousness too (no separation) so in that light we agree with Tom - The Dream Of Life would not exist without us (MAN) existing in the dream of life because we are (MAN is) the dreamer dreaming it. Tom offers no remedy that gets MAN out of "The System" forevermore in this life and thus is still part of the problem and not part of the remedy.

No UK Kindom that we are aware of. Many attempting but nothing actually happening that we have been told about.

Russell Brand, refer to the links we provided above as they go into our views/insights on him.

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The Steps Of Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life 2006/2007
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

6 August at 21:27

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Arthur Cristian

Dominic Toomey You can be present to all your slave duties all the while you are performing those slave duties but you are still a slave. While you continue being compelled to perform your slave duties, you are not fully present to the dream of life, you are only partially present, that's if you are aware of what is really going on. It is like a Christian being re-born; he has arisen to be with his God and yet he is still slaving away in "The System" in present-sense. What a brilliant psyop program.

6 August at 21:32

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Arthur Cristian

Eckhart Tolle's books in series should be called: "How To Accept Slavery And Be Happy About It". part one, part two......

6 August at 21:45

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Frances Cranton

lol! love it Arthur!

6 August at 21:47

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Arthur Cristian

The peaceful world tour involving Eckhart Tolle, Dalai Lama & Deepak Chopra should be called

"How To Be A Happy Contended Slave"
or
"The Power Of Slavery In The Now".

6 August at 21:50

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Dominic Toomey

eye didn't watch it all

6 August at 21:57

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Dominic Toomey

you could watch all the "sea-errs' for the rest of your moment as his story's tells us and never get anywhere

6 August at 22:08

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Arthur Cristian

Such is the storytelling of fairytales - as children we never ended up anywhere but where we have always been, being prepared for a life-time of slavery.

6 August at 22:11

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Arthur Cristian

"The Power Of Now In A Slave System".

6 August at 22:13

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Dominic Toomey

no remedy

6 August at 22:17

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Dominic Toomey

no thanks

6 August at 22:19

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Dominic Toomey

thanks arthur and fiona : )

6 August at 22:20

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Dominic Toomey

6 August at 22:20

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Fadi Zeitoune

Arthur isn't your now and Eckharte Tolle's now similar in alot of ways? Just that small teaching.. of being in the moment...I was always wanting to ask what you thought of Eckharte's now teaching...

7 August at 00:55

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Arthur Cristian

Susan commented here: Love For Life Kindoms - The Co-Creation Of Do No Harm Communities.....

Man made energy signatures accessible by some who bother to look for themselves and are always present

We replied........

We buy a box of Kellogg's Corn Flakes, experience it and then buy another and then another and then another....... We experience the intentions of its maker; its flavour, its texture, its pictures, its marketing, its message, etc. This is the MAN-made energy signature we actually experience. This is as far as it goes for most but there are a few who dig deeper behind the marketing, behind the packaging, the spin, the flavour, the ingredients, the processing, etc, only to discover they were being fed lies about the health side of things. Now awakened, they are always present to the deception behind Kellogg's signature and being conscious, are going out of their way to help others wake up to what is really going on. The Love For Life insights we share also exposes the true signature behind the work of Eckhart Tolle & co........

7 August at 01:03

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Arthur Cristian

Fadi Zeitoune, the comments posted in this thread including the FB links to Russell Brand provided above clearly explains our views on the Now. The work we do helps others be present to what is really going on all-around-them, SEE the big picture without wearing rose coloured glasses. Read this 14th May 2014 FB thread https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10203702985003214 - copied below......

The True Awakening Of A Young Woman, Hannah Wood
by Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
13th May 2014

Sara said: "I will read all of this but I must add you should start a school would be good for those coming out of the system and consequently having a breakdown/awakening. You have so much vast and its very indepth some newbies need milk. Your style of updating reminds me of my old QIP managers/ consultants at work very thorough. As my exboss would say stickler for details"

Arthur replied........

Deprogramming is a lot of work Sara. ONLY those serious and committed will put the effort in - most are lazy and looking for an easy way out - they are in la la land and they will ALL remain lost and not make it out of hell.

We live for those who dream to live free

Freedom = FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERYTHING WE THINK FEEL AND DO (INTEND).

We have a young girl living with us, now 25, she moved in Aug 2011 (22) - to witness the hell she has had to go through thus far to clear out all the deep-seated trauma so she can sense her blind spots was an eye opener for us, and ONLY now is she able to begin to sense the demons of those many blind spots that have plagued her, and she is now learning to use her free-will to consciously NOT entertain them anymore, to no longer give her life-force energy to them and thus, in forgetting them, they have faded away to be no more (from whence they came).

Hannah has worked her arse off in the food forest vege garden, everyday, and still does, or in the Love For Life music recording studio or around the house and kitchen, or shopping, etc, or looking-after, supporting/helping our four young daughters (they are all sisters now/family/tribe - and we Fiona/Arthur are real brothers/sisters/mates/co-creators with Hannah, much closer and far more bonded than our siblings/parents, etc) while doing whatever else needs to be done to be sure the group/tribe has everything it needs. (we all still love our families and keep in contact - much less with Arthur - but they are deeply lost in "The System" and we are not going to make them wrong for that - they need to see (direct-experience) how paradise lives in everyday practical-sense with their own eyes before the penny might drop for them)

This is where Paradise/Freedom/Kindom starts - it can't start any other way unless we want slavery and laziness and cop-outs to continue.

She has had to learn to concentrate/focus on exactly what she is creatively doing in the garden, moment by moment, etc, and not let the habits of marinating trauma (storytelling = pulls of e-motion that are reactions of trauma) occupy (come into) her thinking and thus set of another vicious cycle of internal self-destruction leading to depression, unhappiness, frustration, emptiness, hopelessness, rage, tantrums, etc, etc. We have been through a lot with Hannah and so glad we did.

Before we met Hannah she used to try to commit suicide a few times. Now, all this demonic black-magic possession, that hooded her, has gone.

She has learnt to give up being self-centered (reflections/shadows of "name" - all explained in the posts provided above) and now she is a living-creator of life, freely gifting her creations of her free-will for the benefit of others.

We all live like this.

No one owns anything.

We are the wind under each others wings raising each other up and away from hell and back to the living-paradise of our co-creation.

Hannah is still not out of the woods yet but she is getting closer.

Hannah represents multi-millions of young people who will have to go through this if they are to be truly free again. Self-centeredness is terrible, incredibly destructive to MAN. You/we can ONLY learn this on the job - schooling is useless. The system habits have to be replaced by Paradise habits learnt in everyday-practical-sense.

Like we said, and under the present-circumstances, true freedom comes with very hard work day after day after day after day until we break the spells that have made an immense mess out of our lives.

The more people who come to co-create paradise (Kindom), the more we share the workload around and lighter becomes the load and the more people we have to help others how to live/co-create Paradise in present-sense.

Through raw-living food diets our bodies will remove all system addictions down-the-line, learning to give up electricity, gas, refrigeration, dish washers, washing machines, etc, etc.... Having recreated/co-created food forests we are setting our real lives free from each other too because the food forests now takes care of itself and feeds us all as well.

To repair all the damage that has severely compromised our freedom will only come off the back of very hard work performed over for many years, at least until large Kindoms have blossomed powerfully and food forests are established all around us.........

There is so much to all of this but don't have the spare waking life available here and now to explain it all here. You will find heaps of info in our articles, videos, debates, etc.

You can contact Hannah Wood through FB she is a FB friend and will be easy to find. She usually only gets on FB a little bit each evening or early morning pending weather. This is her singing one of the songs Arthur/Fiona wrote back in 2007, it's a very rough demo put together back in Aug/Sept 2011.

Save Our Lives
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMgcLqO7VrQ

We plan to record it professionally.

Here is another rough demo we did a few years ago.......

Celebrate Death To The Living
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EufHOpxa1F8

Here is a link where you can see a brief on our background, what we went through, and the gear we now have for the home recording studio. http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8459

Freedom is a doing thing - we are always creating life. MAN is a creator of life.

REMEDY

From Bare Dirt To Abundance
A Year In The Life Of The
Love For Life Food Forest

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
8th February 2013
51 Minutes 46 Seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

Control The Land
And You Control MAN On The Land
Displace MAN From Land
And You Turn MAN Into Slaves

Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
April 2011 (Updated 14th September 2011)
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8237

The Divine Spark
Facebook Discussion With Raymond Karczewski
Arthur & Fiona Cristian & Others
2nd October 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8483

Capturing Another MANS Uniqueness
A Facebook Debate With
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
And Raymond Karczewski
Starting 13th May 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8414

The Spell Is Broken
Taking The Land To Create Kindom

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
3rd March 2013
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8365

The Steps Of Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life 2006/2007
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

Links to all our work can be found here:
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/3385

All the best to you and your extended family
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

7 August at 01:09

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Ae Reiff

These analogies hover around certain bugs that secrete an anesthetic into the skin while they feed on your blood. Researchers say this has absolutely no bearing on meditation.

7 August at 00:58

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Arthur Cristian

Ae Reiff which analogies are you referring to? Can you please explain these views on bugs secreting an anesthetic into the skin while feeding on your blood in greater detail. We need to comprehend the big picture you are touching on here.

7 August at 01:49

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Ae Reiff

I suppose the analogy goes like this, the bug feeds on its host, drinks its blood, while it is asleep, which may be called its life, but the host is ignorant of this because the bug secretes an anesthetic. http://www.bedbugspurification.com/bed-bug-facts/bed-bug-anesthesia

PK Dick calls his ET pests buggers, or bugs, which is his analogy of the ET ruse sucking the blood of earth.

That the mind is anesthetized against its pain by met(h)aphysical practices of all kinds of meditation in order to deny the pain of its life is another example of how anesthetic can be used. In other terms the comprachios http://www.stormy.org/edcompr.htm would torture and disfigure children but anesthetize in order to continue the practice over many years.

See: photo Bed-Bugs-Anesthetic-Bites-150x150_zps14d714bc.jpg

7 August at 02:03

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Ae Reiff

That in short is the purpose of meditation.

7 August at 02:17

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Audrey Ferncastle

Eckhart Tolle = Euphoric Detachment Denial Program

7 August at 03:05

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Audrey Ferncastle

Wow Arthur and Fiona, that song is BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!

7 August at 03:11

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Ae Reiff

To better identify meditation as it is marketed, it is said by Foucault “those guys who nowadays regularly visit a kind of master who takes their money from them in order to teach them how to take care of themselves.” http://www.openculture.com/2014/08/michel-foucaults-lecture-the-culture-...

Foucault: The Culture of the Self , part 1 of 5
http://youtu.be/umi43Ho-I24?list=PL9C78808A41B0AC89

7 August at 07:24

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Ae Reiff

Foucault might be taking the Arthurian point, that sale of any kind of enlightenment, makes a slave. Of course there are different kinds, but house sales and field sales (slaves) do make the teacher rich. Maybe Tolle is that rare example of a poor Good Guy!

7 August at 08:05

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Dana Clark

I certainly see your point. However, regardless of Tolle's intentions, his video had an extremely positive impact on myself, and I don't see that impact as being one of delusion or stemming from a fraudulent foundation. And so, because of my personal experience with it, I think a lot of what Tolle shares in that video has the potential to really help a lot of people start to break free of the trauma and illusion.

Of course, Tolle is not the be all, end all and I'm certainly not trying to imply he is. And, yes, there are bits and pieces of the system thrown in there - whether out of ill-intent or innocence i'm not sure i'll ever know. As with anything, one need be discerning in what is presented, but no need to let such things detract from what is shared that is of great value. And to me, something that resulted in myself actually feeling the life that I am, well, i consider that to be of enormously great value.

Just curious, did you watch the video yourself? :)

7 August at 08:24

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Ae Reiff

I saw it on Oprah I think.

7 August at 08:47

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Dana Clark

There's much more to it than just the scene on the park bench.

7 August at 09:43

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Dana Clark

Tolle doesn't promote meditation. In fact, he shows how it takes no time at all to get in touch with the presence that one is - only the time it takes to stop, be present, and feel the aliveness in one's body.

7 August at 07:44

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Dana Clark

StrongMinded FreeThinker - being strong minded you are aware that, in employing discernment, one takes what one finds to be of value from something that one is presented with and leaves the rest. is everything really so black and white that it is impossible to find little nuggets of truth amongst that which, on initial observation (or perhaps preconceived idea?), appears to be so malign?

denial is certainly something i have rarely been one to embrace, which is how i ended up finding Arthur and Fiona - as well as Tolle (no, didn't find him on Oprah - haven't watched TV in over a decade) and others - in the first place. i took what was valuable from Tolle and left the rest. what i found to be valuable is in my comment below this. i really think there is value to be found there for others as well...

7 August at 10:03

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Dana Clark

Arthur, perhaps I am thus so thoroughly under Tolle's spell, but this video most certainly had an immensely positive impact on me. Of course, I took from it what was helpful and ignored those aspects I felt were of the system.

I have always been extremely mental in nature - have always lived in my mind, analyzing everything, having to understand and get to the bottom of everything. Always, always thinking and over-thinking everything. Always in search of that ever elusive truth. (Of course, I shouldn't view that as negative because that is how I eventually ended up finding the Love for Life website and you and Fiona.)

Before Tolle, I never realized just how "lost in thought" I have been throughout my life. Looking back, i can see how being that way was certainly a main reason for all the anguish i have often felt. How being lost in the thoughts of self doubt and self inadequacy and identifying with those thoughts was to perpetually inflict the trauma upon myself.

Before Tolle, I never, ever once stopped and let myself feel the aliveness within my body. As he says in the video, I always lived in the "uppermost floor" of my house, and "didn't know what was going on in the floors below [my body]." I never once stopped and gave attention to the fact that i FELT ALIVE - that i WAS ALIVE.

Before Tolle, I never once stopped and just let myself be present in the moment - to enjoy the moment as it was, without needed something more. As he speaks of in the video, I never felt I had enough and have spent my life as a "means to an end" - always feeling that one day, after achieving this or that, I would be happy. Always searching, always striving to get to that "happy place" never realizing that to be in that mode is to forever be in that mode. Never realizing that I could find the happiness and the gratitude within myself - both of them being born out of the recognition of the life that I am, the presence that I am.

Before Tolle, feeling connected to life was always just a concept within my head that I thought I was really experiencing. I never actually let myself feel the aliveness that is all around me such as the trees and bushes, birds etc. right outside my front door and lining the street in both directions. Sure, I would often look at them and think, "you're so beautiful tree - I love you." But the connection never went any further than that. It always stayed there, in the mental realm as a thought and an emotion. The present-sense sensory perception of the experience, as you would say, always eluded me. The aliveness of the world was always just a mental experience, a mental abstraction, for me. I never once stopped thinking long enough to just sit outside and FEEL ALIVE and take in all the aliveness all around me, without having to label it or analyze it - without mistaking all the warm, fuzzy emotions I felt for Nature as being a true, living connection with it.

I found Tolle not too long before finding you and Fiona. And I think that the new perspective I gained from Tolle really went a long way in preparing me for the perspectives and truths I was to find on the Love for the Life site. I really think that Tolle was an incredibly helpful and - for me - necessary stepping stone before "graduating" to the immensely deeper and more profound perspectives and truths to be found in your work. For if I still had yet to even feel the aliveness within me, to feel the life that I am, and to recognize that in all the life that surrounds me, how would I have ever been ready to fully embrace and connect with life in the way that the Love for Life campaign and the concept of kindom both do? Even if, in your assessment of my "readiness" you may still see I have further to go (and perhaps I do), I would certainly have a heck of a lot further to go than that if it weren't for what I learned from Tolle.

You are perhaps more aware of the trauma that humans exist within than anyone else. A trauma that runs so deep, is it not logical that people will need such 'stepping stones" before they are ready to grasp the information that you have to share? In Tolle's case, before they are ready to even consider embracing life in such a way as to consider joining kindom? Going from A to B, in this case, is not that simple - not by a longshot, as you are well aware.

Just as there are those of us who, with the purest of intentions, are trying to find our way out of the brainwashing and trauma, is it not possible that Tolle is also one of those people? Is it not possible that Tolle does have some extremely valuable insights but, being just as human as we are, that he doesn't realize he is still caught in the illusion in some ways?

I can speak for myself, knowing the intentions within myself as I have always felt them and how it has been an incredibly long process to work through the trauma of life in the system and, through a determined persistence, to arrive at the understandings or awareness I have today (obviously, I still have a ways to go). I myself never thought of the remedy that you and Fiona have, and believe me, to say I tried would be an understatement! I tried very hard and went through several different ideas that ultimately resulted in my recognizing their lack of potential for success. But I kept trying and this is why I was so incredibly overjoyed to finally find someone offering a real, workable remedy such as yourself and Fiona.

But the fact that I could not come up with remedy does not make me a willing lackey for the system. Is it not possible that some of these people out there, not able to come up with remedy such as myself, do have something of great value to share and are doing so with benevolence? Is it not possible that at least one, or a few of them, are well-intended?

I'm not saying Tolle is the be all, end all - as he certainly is not. But for those still thoroughly immersed in the trauma, or perhaps just beginning to attempt to claw their way out, I do think SOME of what Tolle has to share could be helpful to them.

7 August at 10:05

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Vicki Victoria

Spot on Arthur the Man! Especially about the Dalai Lama...OMG...that guy is truly a trauma-licker for materialistic science. It's positively breath taking. He's just a man. And so is Eck. I have a yearly Dalai Lama calendar and I don't read it anymore because it makes me want to pull my hair out first thing in the morning when I look at it....I'd pull his hair out but the smart little bugger has shaved it off before I could get to him!

7 August at 15:16

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Arthur Cristian

Dana Clark The Freemasonic/Satanic world behind "The System" raped/deprived/ignored/rejected/suppressed/distracted you of everything you really are, but you did the distracting, etc, and then they supposedly gave some of it back to you but only sufficient to have you continue being glued to "The System" of their power and control over you.

Tolle, did NOT give you what you already had.

Tolle did not help you wake up - you cannot be woken up to what you already are.

This is a brilliant Satanic trick used to con you into accepting their world and authority (their power) by default. They did NOTHING for you, this includes Tolle and us.

YOU DID IT.

You were NOT "born" asleep, you were educated/tricked/conned into being asleep in/during this life, not before or after. And it was you who performed (set into motion) the sleeping of you in this life.

The life you are is the life you already had before the tricksters messed with your head BUT YOU DID IT. It was you who did the waking up too.

The freedom and truth you have now was already with you, you were just tricked into believing that you did not have it, but when you have it it was already there to have.

You cannot have anything stolen from you unless you already had it. Satanists trick you into believing that you have gained something when all you are doing is remembering who you really are. Satanists are brilliant at deceiving those who are reclaiming who they really are into believing they are gaining something that they never thought they had. This is how you give your power away to them.

The life you are is the life you have always been. There is NO separation - there never has been..

Have no doubt in who you really are and your ability to live the life you dream of.

The love people feel when they are involved in religions, the New Age, etc, is not the love of the Jesus of the church or the spirit guides, etc. It is the love of MAN for MAN that they are experiencing. It is the love of MAN for MAN that creates the so called miracles of the church, the healings, the tears on statues, etc. Those who are experiencing the love created that love because they are already that love. Again, we are tricked into believing that we are not capable of that love and into giving the power of our love over to the authorities, believing that the love is coming through whatever deities they have faith in.

Watch out for the con artists who will do anything to deceive you into giving your life-force-energy (power) away to them.

Who is Tolle's master?

Who does he re-present?

If you work this out you will clearly see/sense who he REALLY is and what is really going on.

You say that Tolle had a positive influence on you. This may be true for you but then what are you likely to do? Recommend Tolle to someone else who recommends Tolle to someone else.....then you have the makings of a cult, a sect, a religion, a system. Why? Because everyone is following his words, his work instead of thinking for themselves and taking full responsibility for who they are and what they think, feel and do.

This is why we are so careful not to create followers and why we always tell people not to believe what we are saying but to think things out for themselves (critical thinking) and make their own choices based on do no harm. Churches are created by people having a positive experience with a church/priest and then passing that on to others.

Here we are trying to save Earth from all the destruction but Earth already exists, is already there. We are not trying to invent Earth. The same with you - you are already there, in your full power. You are just having to remember that life through your brainwashing.

8 August at 00:09

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Audrey Ferncastle

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/08/RIR-140804.php
Red Ice Radio - John Lash - White Genocide & The Archontic Infection
redicecreations.com | By Henrik Palmgren

8 August at 01:28

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Eshys Eshys

I fully comprehend where your coming from dana,it's just about recognizing gates and gate-keepers and the way they create spells with their words and images to shroud you in a mist of a reality they have formed for you to become lost in,,they if you let them set you in concrete so to "speak" create a belief in you so you can't move through their gate. They will hold you there adding to the belief that is now yours and you will fight for that gate and now you become a gate-keeper,,I have discovered it all comes down to one thing and that is "life force energy" if you are not aware of who you are and why you are here you have been programmed and your life force energy will be used by the dark destructive elements for you to destroy yourself and every living being around you.

But if you know who you are you will use your life force energy to create. There can be no in between there is no other way, you cannot be "consciously aware" and still in the system(destructive thought) you have to leave it, it's just a fact everybody that is aware will have to face this sooner or later. You cannot allow your life force energy to be used to destroy if you are fully aware of who you are,,it will just become to painful to be in the lie,,you will have to leap at some point, there are many of us dana that are using our life force energy to get out of this man-made hell, we are severing all con-tracts and have a plan,,you have to keep waking forward keep moving if not there is a tendency to get caught up in another distraction/gate of the system.

As we all know there are many,,we cannot create our dream without action so we use the dead world to create our alive dream on the land,,inch by inch foot by foot if need be,,and it will be in our image and no others,,we have to be very determined to do this,,even leaving loved one's behind so they can catch up later if they want,,it will be their choice at least there will be a choice,,and the more aware MAN that does go to the land to create the more people will have that choice,,no words will do it for us and all the talking in the "world" will just gate- keep us,,it will be back breaking work but it will be worth it,,none off their gates can hold us when the decision has been made we are to accelerated we have done the very thing they (the architects of the system) have always been afraid off,, we have remembered who we are,we are re-connecting with life,true life as unique man on the land interconnected through our senses with all living thing's. I feel it is absolutely amazing what arthur and fiona have done and continue to do. May the love and protection of all the ancestors of our tribe surround them and their family for ever more,,peace,love,kindness,abundance and all the great juicy stuff to you all,,much much love and beautiful health...

8 August at 07:04

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Arthur Cristian

Awesome post Eshys Eshys and we are not referring to your showering of love over us - the insights you share are deeply inspiring. Thank you. - When we really wake up there is NOTHING else to live for - the dream of life, of living co-creation, of do no harm, of life is a gift, of selflessness, etc, is ALL that matters to us. Though we use "The System" to get out of "The System" we do not live for "The System" anymore, that false dream completely died in us back in the fiction of "time" 2005.

8 August at 07:46

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Arthur Cristian

Replace Eckhart Tole with Kevin Annette or David Icke, Russell Brand, Max Igan, Mark Passio, Benjamin Fulford, Jacque Fresco, Alex Jones, Kate Of Gaia, Santos Bonacci, Sacha Stone, Jordan Maxwell, Jeff Rense, Ben Stewart, Peter Joseph, Deepak Chopra, Dalai Lama, Foster Gamble, Kimberley Gamble, The Pope, The Queen, Barrack Obama, Margaret Thatcher, Bill Ryan, Kerry Cassidy, Leo Zagami, George Green. Michael Tsarion, Michael Tellinger, Jim Marrs, Dr Len Horrowitz, Dr Steven Greer, Miriam Delicado, John Lear, Richard Hoagland, Dr Brian O'Leary, Dr Bill Deagle, Boriska, Matthew, Ramtha, Bashar, Galactic Federation, etc, etc, etc, etc......... and you get the SAME SCAM being applied over and over and over and over again.

8 August at 08:16

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Eshys Eshys

Hahaha!!!!!!! well the love thing i just can't "help" myself mate,,,:) arthur and fiona thankyou brother and sister,,you have helped me and the tribe we are immensely,,so as a tribe here and now we all say thankyou, and much love..

8 August at 08:54

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Dana Clark

Thank you, Arthur and Eshys Eshys, for your thoughtful comments. I truly get everything you have both shared. Of course I do, or I wouldn’t be so enthusiastic and committed in offering to do whatever I am able to to help the Love for Life campaign (even though how I am able to help is severely limited by the fact that I reside in the US). I wouldn’t donate my time to something which I did not fully grasp and did not feel so completely aligned with in my heart.

I think, perhaps, my original question has been taken out of context here. I was asking about this particular video (the message) and not the messenger (Tolle) himself. Are not the message and the messenger separate? I see now I should have phrased it in my subsequent comment “After Tolle’s video…” rather than “After Tolle…” because, naturally, all that accomplished was to encourage further focus on Tolle and not the video itself.

But if we are focusing on the messenger, according to Wikipedia:

“Tolle's first book, The Power of Now, was first published in 1997 by Namaste Publishing.[4][6] Only 3000 copies were published of the first edition. Tolle: "I would personally deliver a few copies every week to some small bookstores in Vancouver ... Friends helped by placing copies of the book in spiritual bookstores farther afield".[4] The book was first published under copyright by New World Library in 1999.[4][7] In 2000, Oprah Winfrey recommended it in her magazine, O.[13] In August 2000 it reached the New York Times Best Seller list for Hardcover Advice.[5]…”

I could be mistaken, but it appears to me Tolle may have started out benign and then was hijacked by Oprah and Co. sometime within the two years following the first publication of his first book. I don’t watch TV and so have never seen him interact with Oprah - and I really don’t care to see it - however, I did find this person’s comment on an internet forum to be interesting:

“But clearly, when doing the thing with Oprah, there are moments when Oprah bulldozes what he is saying with something only partially true, and he hesitates to correct her..............because she is Oprah. Thats very human, and not ego-less.”

I don’t view Tolle - or anyone - as a guru, prophet, or whatever else he is now described as being. And I don’t hang onto his every word like some lost soul looking for something to which to cling. Sure, after watching the video I checked out a little more of his stuff out of curiosity. But in all actuality, in watching further videos of him I got the feeling he was just dragging out, or looking for however to expand upon, his original message and viewed it all as lacking in anything new - kicking a dead horse, as they say, and so lost interest.

I include the above info about Tolle not because I’m defending Tolle the person, but because I think the video I am inquiring about was filmed long before Tolle was compromised and the video, alone, was the subject of my inquiry - not anything Tolle has said or done, or who or what he has become, after the fact.

The reason I’m putting further effort into this dialogue here is because I’m really trying to wrap my head around the idea that what is presented in this video could be malevolent at its core and/or is presented with intent to misdirect. Sure, there are parts of it I see good reason to ignore, such as mentions of Jesus, Buddah, Dalai Lama, evolution of human consciousness, etc. - and I definitely do not agree with his view that we each put on a role during the romantic stage of a relationship - but these things are irrelevant to the bulk of what is shared.

Tolle instructs that an alert attention is required in order to be fully present in any given moment. An alert attention requires a momentary cessation of thought. Are not delusions thoughts? So how can one be delusional when totally present in the moment?

I’m just curious - is there anyone participating in this discussion that has watched the video (all of the video) in question?

8 August at 16:00

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Dana Clark

PS - I am surprised, Arthur, to see you "like" a venomous comment such as this:

"Spot on Arthur the Man! Especially about the Dalai Lama...OMG...that guy is truly a trauma-licker for materialistic science. It's positively breath taking. He's just a man. And so is Eck. I have a yearly Dalai Lama calendar and I don't read it anymore because it makes me want to pull my hair out first thing in the morning when I look at it....I'd pull his hair out but the smart little bugger has shaved it off before I could get to him!"

...and I feel doing so could give the wrong message to people new to your campaign. Somehow, I have a hard time equating even the mention of pulling another person's hair out with the idea of "do no harm."

...???

8 August at 11:01

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Deborah de Leeuw

Would it be accurate to say that Anastasia has the same gifts as what the new age teach but she got hers naturally while most of the others used occult methods? I'm trying to discern the difference. Thank you

8 August at 14:50

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Arthur Cristian

Dana, most people exposed to Eckhart Tolle, Dalai Lama, Deepak Chopra remain DEEP ASLEEP = are part of the problem, are most definitely not part of the remedy. Apathy and denial is MASSIVE. They ALL want the good bits of "The System" and not the "bad bits" but you can't have one without the other. They ALL want SLAVERY to continue BUT and they are in denial of this. They are terribly self-centered, narrow-mined, and ALL want "The System". They are almost completely lobotomized/discombobulated. For most they need shock treatment to snap them out of the spells. We've dealt with thousands of these space cadets and they really are space cadets.

We know who Eshys Eshys is - has a very pure and sincere heart, has very good intentions. When we come across beautifully tasting wrapped lollies with aspartame in them, we look past the "niceness" and see the shit for what it really is. It's SHIT. The "niceness" of politicians kissing babies knowingly lying cause they are going to break their promises, the "niceness" of banking commercials with bank managers shaking hands with their "happy" duped customers" who will be completely used, abused, raped, pillaged, plundered, destroyed down-the-line, the "nice" Coca Cola, Pepsi, McDonalds commercials, etc, etc, causing immense harm to MAN and Earth/Nature.

All across Earth we are drowning in the sick evil of "niceness", destroying almost everything that matters to the dream of life, the "nice" judges, politicians, banksters, academics, educators, professors, scientists, corporations, institutions, education, entertainment, etc, etc, etc, etc...... It's all shit.

The tribal-sect of the "nice" Dalai Lama, who is a CIA agent, is evil to the core - we have had many first party direct experiences with people who lived there. If you want to open your brain up to the atrocities of his cult, the terrible abuse of women, slavery, and the wars and genocide campaigns of the real Tibet, explore this section: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6271 (more links below). Eshys is aware of the Dalai Lama's background as we are. To us he is spot on in everything he has said and has not buttered up anything = a spade is a spade. No "niceness" covering up evil intentions/ways. Eshys has no niceness on offer.

Tibet - Buddhism - Dalai Lama | Love for Life

Contains posts like.......

The Shadow of The Dalai Lama - Part One
Introduction by Victor & Victoria Trimondi
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6273

The Shadow of The Dalai Lama – Part Two
Introduction by Victor & Victoria Trimondi
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6274

Tibet: Critical Forum For The Investigation of The Kalachakra Tantra And The Shambhala Myth
By Victor & Victoria Trimondi
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6281

Tibet: FASCIST OCCULTISM AND IT’S CLOSE RELATIONSHIP TO BUDDHIST TANTRISM
By Victor & Victoria Trimondi
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6275

Tibet: THE SPEARHEAD OF THE SHAMBHALA WAR
By Victor & Victoria Trimondi
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6272

Tibet: THE WAR GODS BEHIND THE MASK OF PEACE
By Victor & Victoria Trimondi
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6276

A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIBET
By Tim Lambert
+ Myth and Reality
By Foster Stockwell
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6278

The Nazi Connection with Shambhala and Tibet
By Alexander Berzin
May 2003
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6277

A Different Tibetan Buddhism
Traditions Surrounding The Dalai Lama Reveals A Cautionary Tale

By Michael Nenonen
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6282

The Tibet Myth: Friendly Feudalism
By Michael Parenti - Political Archive -
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/6279

8 August at 16:28

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Arthur Cristian

To repeat........ "You can be present to all your slave duties all the while you are performing those slave duties but you are still a slave. While you continue being compelled to perform your slave duties, you are not fully present to the dream of life, you are only partially present, that's if you are aware of what is really going on. It is like a Christian being re-born; he has arisen to be with his God and yet he is still slaving away in "The System" in present-sense. What a brilliant psyop program."

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To repeat......... "The Freemasonic/Satanic world behind "The System" raped/deprived/ignored/rejected/suppressed/distracted you of everything you really are, but you did the distracting, etc, and then they supposedly gave some of it back to you but only sufficient to have you continue being glued to "The System" of their power and control over you.

Tolle, did NOT give you what you already had.

Tolle did not help you wake up - you cannot be woken up to what you already are.

This is a brilliant Satanic trick used to con you into accepting their world and authority (their power) by default. They did NOTHING for you, this includes Tolle and us.

YOU DID IT.

You were NOT "born" asleep, you were educated/tricked/conned into being asleep in/during this life, not before or after. And it was you who performed (set into motion) the sleeping of you in this life.

The life you are is the life you already had before the tricksters messed with your head BUT YOU DID IT. It was you who did the waking up too.

The freedom and truth you have now was already with you, you were just tricked into believing that you did not have it, but when you have it it was already there to have.

You cannot have anything stolen from you unless you already had it. Satanists trick you into believing that you have gained something when all you are doing is remembering who you really are. Satanists are brilliant at deceiving those who are reclaiming who they really are into believing they are gaining something that they never thought they had. This is how you give your power away to them.

The life you are is the life you have always been. There is NO separation - there never has been..

Have no doubt in who you really are and your ability to live the life you dream of.

The love people feel when they are involved in religions, the New Age, etc, is not the love of the Jesus of the church or the spirit guides, etc. It is the love of MAN for MAN that they are experiencing. It is the love of MAN for MAN that creates the so called miracles of the church, the healings, the tears on statues, etc. Those who are experiencing the love created that love because they are already that love. Again, we are tricked into believing that we are not capable of that love and into giving the power of our love over to the authorities, believing that the love is coming through whatever deities they have faith in.

Watch out for the con artists who will do anything to deceive you into giving your life-force-energy (power) away to them.

Who is Tolle's master?

Who does he re-present?

If you work this out you will clearly see/sense who he REALLY is and what is really going on.

You say that Tolle had a positive influence on you. This may be true for you but then what are you likely to do? Recommend Tolle to someone else who recommends Tolle to someone else.....then you have the makings of a cult, a sect, a religion, a system. Why? Because everyone is following his words, his work instead of thinking for themselves and taking full responsibility for who they are and what they think, feel and do.

This is why we are so careful not to create followers and why we always tell people not to believe what we are saying but to think things out for themselves (critical thinking) and make their own choices based on do no harm. Churches are created by people having a positive experience with a church/priest and then passing that on to others.

Here we are trying to save Earth from all the destruction but Earth already exists, is already there. We are not trying to invent Earth. The same with you - you are already there, in your full power. You are just having to remember that life through your brainwashing.

Replace Eckhart Tole with Kevin Annette or David Icke, Russell Brand, Max Igan, Mark Passio, Benjamin Fulford, Jacque Fresco, Alex Jones, Kate Of Gaia, Santos Bonacci, Sacha Stone, Jordan Maxwell, Jeff Rense, Ben Stewart, Peter Joseph, Deepak Chopra, Dalai Lama, Foster Gamble, Kimberley Gamble, The Pope, The Queen, Barrack Obama, Margaret Thatcher, Bill Ryan, Kerry Cassidy, Leo Zagami, George Green. Michael Tsarion, Michael Tellinger, Jim Marrs, Dr Len Horrowitz, Dr Steven Greer, Miriam Delicado, John Lear, Richard Hoagland, Dr Brian O'Leary, Dr Bill Deagle, Boriska, Matthew, Ramtha, Bashar, Galactic Federation, etc, etc, etc, etc......... and you get the SAME SCAM being applied over and over and over and over again."

To repeat..........

"You won't see him point out all the nefarious psyops programs that locks the duped into "The System". He maybe innocent of his duplicity but his work prepares the duped to enter the NWO without realising the psyops programs currently compelling them to continue their/our/MANS enslavement. The Dalai Lama is another blatant mis-leader using almost the same type of psyops programming tactics Echart Tolle is working with.

Without the education/brainwashing of "The System", Toll's work cannot be performed. Toll's work completely relies on "The System" to provide him with the tools he uses to explain everything to the duped already brainwashed by "The System" education program.

All con-structs/con-cepts are performed exactly like this.

Toll's work is just a new modified addition to the existing assembly line where the conveyer belt running through factory planet earth's production line is delivering the end product of processed, manufactured drones, robots and slaves conceived out of MAN.

In the supermarket do you have freedom or choice?

In "The System" do you have freedom or choice?

Whose thoughts, ideas, dreams are you thinking and setting into motion?

If they can get you to think what they want you to think and get you to set these images into motion they will have conned you into creating that. Slaves willingly create a world in their masters image without realising.

In the education you have been provided with thus far does it provide freedom or choice?

What about Eckart Tolle, does his work provide you with freedom or choice?

While the duped are in the NOW, they are still slaves to "The System" before, during and after being in the now. Bar a change in the use of a psyops program NOTHING REALLY HAS CHANGED.

While the brainwashed are going within to find peace in their environment they forever remain slaves to "The System".

Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, New Ager's, Atheist's, etc, continue being slaves to "The System" in present-sense regardless for how long and how hard their efforts may have been in practising the many rituals of their religion, belief, faith & associated opinion - the lie continues to compel them to be e-motional slaves. Such is the very clever slight of hand deception at play by Freemasons/Satanists. Watch out for Eckhart Tolle as his "spelling" magic tricks will compel you even deeper into hell ("The System").

A NWO slave remains deeply traumatised regardless how much they believe they have stepped away from being under the influence of trauma. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

As for waking up from the illusion - LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL"

8 August at 16:39

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Arthur Cristian

To repeat........ "Eckhart Tolle's books in series should be called: "How To Accept Slavery And Be Happy About It". part one, part two...... "

8 August at 16:42

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Arthur Cristian

To repeat........ "The Church of Scientology also helps many people escape addiction but they are still offering brainwashing at the end of the day. There are many programs in "The System" that help people to get out of the pits, which is great, BUT there is no way out of "The System" and no explanation of the psyops programs we are constantly bombarded with.

Everything and anything can be a step towards awakening if people dream for and do wake up to such facts but while they remain slaves THEY ARE SLAVES.

There is no amount of buttering up capable of changing this slavery fact.

We use all the "awakening" work going on all-around us as part of the grooming of entry into the NWO to reach others who may not be able to be reached otherwise. The NWO has its benefits for people like us! LOLLLLLLLLLL

Contemplating on a piece of dog shit can wake someone up too.

There are numerous ways towards awakening - the key is in recognising the real awakening along the path of awakening that has MAN depart from "The System" of slavery forevermore. Currently, we are one of the very few, if ANY in "The System", who offer such a NO SYSTEM (no slavery) remedy.

Which do you prefer, the choice of freedom or freedom?"

8 August at 16:43

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Arthur Cristian

To repeat.......... "Every little bit helps and yes there are many ways that people wake up and many system things that may help them along the way. And yes, people need transitional steps....which we offer through the 2006/2007 "The Steps of Kindom" (note, no "G" in Kindom) http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304. Have a read if you haven't before. Dismantling "The System" in this life is great but we must be very careful not to replace it with ANOTHER system in another guise (NWO) that drags on forevermore, generation after generation!!! This is what is on offer from all those "freedom, truth, love" lackeys out there, such as Sacha Stone, Russel Brand, etc."

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To repeat...........

"The peaceful world tour involving Eckhart Tolle, Dalai Lama & Deepak Chopra should be called "How To Be A Happy Contended Slave" or "The Power Of Slavery In The Now" or "The Power Of Now In A Slave System"."

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To repeat.............

"We buy a box of Kellogg's Corn Flakes, experience it and then buy another and then another and then another....... We experience the intentions of its maker; its flavour, its texture, its pictures, its marketing, its message, etc. This is the MAN-made energy signature we actually experience. This is as far as it goes for most but there are a few who dig deeper behind the marketing, behind the packaging, the spin, the flavour, the ingredients, the processing, etc, only to discover they were being fed lies about the health side of things. Now awakened, they are always present to the deception behind Kellogg's signature and being conscious, are going out of their way to help others wake up to what is really going on. The Love For Life insights we share also exposes the true signature behind the work of Eckhart Tolle & co........"

The Steps Of Kindom
By Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 2006 to 2012
loveforlife.com.au

8 August at 16:50

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Arthur Cristian

To repeat......... "The True Awakening Of A Young Woman, Hannah Wood, by Arthur Cristian - Love For Life - 13th May 2014 - Sara said: "I will read all of this but I must add you should start a school would be good for those coming out of the system and consequently having a breakdown/awakening. You have so much vast and its very indepth some newbies need milk. Your style of updating reminds me of my old QIP managers/ consultants at work very thorough. As my exboss would say stickler for details"

Arthur replied........

Deprogramming is a lot of work Sara. ONLY those serious and committed will put the effort in - most are lazy and looking for an easy way out - they are in la la land and they will ALL remain lost and not make it out of hell.

We live for those who dream to live free

Freedom = FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERYTHING WE THINK FEEL AND DO (INTEND).

We have a young girl living with us, now 25, she moved in Aug 2011 (22) - to witness the hell she has had to go through thus far to clear out all the deep-seated trauma so she can sense her blind spots was an eye opener for us, and ONLY now is she able to begin to sense the demons of those many blind spots that have plagued her, and she is now learning to use her free-will to consciously NOT entertain them anymore, to no longer give her life-force energy to them and thus, in forgetting them, they have faded away to be no more (from whence they came).

Hannah has worked her arse off in the food forest vege garden, everyday, and still does, or in the Love For Life music recording studio or around the house and kitchen, or shopping, etc, or looking-after, supporting/helping our four young daughters (they are all sisters now/family/tribe - and we Fiona/Arthur are real brothers/sisters/mates/co-creators with Hannah, much closer and far more bonded than our siblings/parents, etc) while doing whatever else needs to be done to be sure the group/tribe has everything it needs. (we all still love our families and keep in contact - much less with Arthur - but they are deeply lost in "The System" and we are not going to make them wrong for that - they need to see (direct-experience) how paradise lives in everyday practical-sense with their own eyes before the penny might drop for them)

This is where Paradise/Freedom/Kindom starts - it can't start any other way unless we want slavery and laziness and cop-outs to continue.

She has had to learn to concentrate/focus on exactly what she is creatively doing in the garden, moment by moment, etc, and not let the habits of marinating trauma (storytelling = pulls of e-motion that are reactions of trauma) occupy (come into) her thinking and thus set of another vicious cycle of internal self-destruction leading to depression, unhappiness, frustration, emptiness, hopelessness, rage, tantrums, etc, etc. We have been through a lot with Hannah and so glad we did.

Before we met Hannah she used to try to commit suicide a few times. Now, all this demonic black-magic possession, that hooded her, has gone.

She has learnt to give up being self-centered (reflections/shadows of "name" - all explained in the posts provided above) and now she is a living-creator of life, freely gifting her creations of her free-will for the benefit of others.

We all live like this.

No one owns anything.

We are the wind under each others wings raising each other up and away from hell and back to the living-paradise of our co-creation.

Hannah is still not out of the woods yet but she is getting closer.

Hannah represents multi-millions of young people who will have to go through this if they are to be truly free again. Self-centeredness is terrible, incredibly destructive to MAN. You/we can ONLY learn this on the job - schooling is useless. The system habits have to be replaced by Paradise habits learnt in everyday-practical-sense.

Like we said, and under the present-circumstances, true freedom comes with very hard work day after day after day after day until we break the spells that have made an immense mess out of our lives.

The more people who come to co-create paradise (Kindom), the more we share the workload around and lighter becomes the load and the more people we have to help others how to live/co-create Paradise in present-sense.

Through raw-living food diets our bodies will remove all system addictions down-the-line, learning to give up electricity, gas, refrigeration, dish washers, washing machines, etc, etc.... Having recreated/co-created food forests we are setting our real lives free from each other too because the food forests now takes care of itself and feeds us all as well.

To repair all the damage that has severely compromised our freedom will only come off the back of very hard work performed over for many years, at least until large Kindoms have blossomed powerfully and food forests are established all around us........."

8 August at 16:51

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Connie Sponheim

Thanks C...for reminding me..that all these 'gurus'...are just more slavery, brainwashing...NOT LoveforLife philosophy.....

8 August at 18:03

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Arthur Cristian

If their focus is on getting MAN out of "The System" forevermore back to co-creating the dream of life where all of MAN is unique and original, not "one" the same as the next (no education/brainwashing/spelling/explanations/etc), then awesome, BUT that ain't the case. None of them have a remedy that gets MAN out of "The System" and therefore ALL their work is about using entertainment, storytelling, distractions, etc, to keep everyone trapped in "The System". After everything else is said and done the work of Eckhart Tolle, Deepak Chopra and Dalai Lama are psyops programs of enslavement and is why the Freemasonic/Satanic world's control over all of main-stream provides unrestricted support for these storytelling prison masters. NOTHING ELSE IS GOING ON.

Also..... "LoveforLife philosophy.." = THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF DO NO HARM & LIFE IS A GIFT.

9 August at 13:40

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Deborah de Leeuw

Bumping to bookmark.

9 August at 03:08

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Dana Clark

Thank you again, Arthur. I am in complete understanding of your views on Tolle. I was just curious if you had watched this particular video and, if so, what you thought of its content.

And with all due respect to Arthur and Fiona, I have to share some observations...

With regards to some - not all - of those who participated in this discussion I have to say I am literally blown away at what I have been witness to here. Arthur responded to my question in the way that he felt appropriate, and that's okay - totally his choice. But to watch nearly everyone else respond in the same manner, without addressing the focus of my question - the video - and instead just co-sign his every word, even cheer him on in some cases. Isn't this exactly NOT how Arthur himself recommends others be? To not treat him as some guru and to do the research for themselves?

Don't care to watch the video? That's perfectly fine. But then why comment? Why be so inspired to comment and co-sign - jump on the bandwagon, so to say - when you really have no idea what you're co-signing because you have not, yourself, watched the video? Why not watch the video and form your own opinions as to why the content in the video is deceptive, delusional, evil, etc. and then share these thoughts here? If not, then how is what is happening here any different from what is happening in the minds of those following the "likes" of Tolle, etc? Am I missing something here?

??????

9 August at 08:20

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Arthur Cristian

Dana, how do you know if they have watched the video or not?

Because they do not say they have, does not mean they haven't. We do not know if they have or haven't because they haven't told us so we don't like to assume either way.

We all have to be conscious of not hijacking the lives/characters of other men and women here, impersonating them, making out that what we are claiming are their thoughts, feelings, intentions, attitudes, lives, etc, when in fact we have made it all up.

Have you actually met each one of them, had a long chat with them, got to know (SENSE) them, had direct experience with them, first party to first party???? Or are you lost in the compelling e-motion unable to get out of its PULL over you?

To us, you are making up all kinds of claims out of thin air. WERE YOU THERE in the room with each one of them? Are you psychic? Are you practising black magic as in remote viewing, remote control and remote projection?

How do you really know what they have and have not done? Or how they think about Arthur, Fiona and Love For Life?

Facebook is a social media so you will get people liking and not liking anything anytime anywhere and it is so very easy to make what others like or not like, say or not say, fit into a box of your pre-conceived expectations, assumptions, opinions, etc, and there they are categorised in a variety of ways including writing people off. Most people on Facebook are in a rush too, moving from one thing to the next and few get into long discussions on a regular basis.

We all agree and disagree about a wide range of views and that is ALL that it means, nothing more, nothing less. BUT when you act with an add-meaning machine things will go terribly backassward.....

Imagine taking a pure clean bright white shirt and dipping it into a bucket of mud and then taking it back out again. The white-shirt is everyone new to you and the mud is your life-experiences (your past - what has happened to you) up to now. The mud is your ADD-MEANING machine.

When something new happens to you (the white shirt) like what has happened in this thread you are dipping new people into this mud of yours to ADD MEANING to what is going on to superimpose your mud over them - this practise is deeply e-motional, highly-destructive and leads to writing people off. The very claim you are accusing others off is the very action you are performing in this thread. We have all made such mistakes over and over again and when this has happened there was no TRUTH to the claims we made up. We were just at the effect to our baggage.

So something that Tolle resonated deeply with you and you got a lot out of it. This is your experience and is true and real for you. But why add meaning to this, or assume that because it resonated for you, it will have the same effect on others? We learnt a lot from David Icke but we now know whose side he is on! This doesn't mean that we did not learn from him but we will never support him now because his work leads only into the next version of "The System".

It is so easy to become a gatekeeper, as Eshys Eshys so aptly put it because we want others to experience what we have experienced. While this is usually out of love, etc, we are forgetting the uniqueness and originality of each of us and that everyone has to work things out in their unique, original way. We have to be careful that we don't try to control those around us, albeit out of good intentions.

It is very easy to look for and find evidence for what we are thinking and feeling about how people think, feel and behave, to be "right" about it, but when we do this, we are pushing aside the uniqueness and originality of each of us. When we are emotionally needy, it is very easy to get others to labour for us for many years. Many relationships are built on this, on a partners need to be loved, to be approved of, placated, etc. We shouldn't need anyone - enjoy each other, support each other, have companionship, etc, but not NEED each other. Then we set each other free and all the love we ever needed comes rushing back at us because we are not grabbing for it, wanting it, needing it, relying on it, etc, all the things that push others away. This is something we ALL do (probably). We are still working through this.

In the same way, we shouldn't need others to agree with us, or to like what we are saying. If people disagree with us, so what? They just disagree. We need to feel safe and secure in who we are to the point where it doesn't matter if people disagree or agree. In fact, we should be celebrating these differences because we are all different. The biggest challenge is for us to work together without all needing to agree, to come together with our disagreements but with the common goal of no more system, no more supporting harm. Communities are destroyed if there is any e-motional neediness. We (Fiona/Arthur) still disagree about many things but our goal to work towards Kindom, co-creation, partnership, team-players, is stronger than the power of our disagreement.

Losing the neediness is incredibly important because it is our neediness that keeps us needing "The System". Weaning off the neediness is actually the start of weaning off "The System".

BTW, Arthur has read Tolle's first two books in the nineties and he downloaded the video and watched some of it, until he spotted the same old system "spelling" mantras.

Also, it is Fiona and Arthur writing these comments, mostly on the run, always in a rush from one task to another to another to another............... We are extremely busy, pulled left, right and center by gardening, children, visitors, phone calls, emails, love for life work, etc, etc.

9 August at 10:37

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Arthur Cristian

Deborah de Leeuw said "Would it be accurate to say that Anastasia has the same gifts as what the new age teach but she got hers naturally while most of the others used occult methods? I'm trying to discern the difference. Thank you"

Hmmmm - yes, in a way. However, there is a big difference. Anastasia has her abilities through her direct experience with the dream of life and she is fully conscious of her responsibility to the dream of life and that she is not separated from anything of the dream of life. She is the dream of life and the dream of life and every life form in it is her. Her intentions are pure and sincere and she is fully conscious of the effect of everything she thinks, feels and does on everything of the dream of life around her.

This is very different from those at the effect of their system brainwashing, trying to remember these abilities but all the while not being fully conscious of who they really are, their responsibilities to the dream of life and the effect of everything they think, feel and do. Anastasia is able to tune into consciousness because she IS fully conscious. Most people in the New Age are only able to tune into demonic energies and thought forms masquerading as beings of light and they fall for these entities because they are not fully conscious. Unfortunately, many people think they are conscious if they buy bio-degradable washing up liquid and organic food. They carefully ignore the fact that just about everything else in their system lives is destroying Earth, MAN, nature, life.

And yes, those high up in "The System" who use remote projection, remote viewing and remote control to manipulate others are using occult methods to obtain their so-called power. They are harnessing our life force energy and using it in rituals for their impure, insincere motives.

9 August at 11:05

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Deborah de Leeuw

This is giving me a lot to consider, of course. Thank you. What about the indigio children? They seem to express abilities. Is it the same thing as the New Agers, then?

9 August at 11:12

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Arthur Cristian

If you contemplate on what we shared here.... "You can be present to all your slave duties all the while you are performing those slave duties but you are still a slave. While you continue being compelled to perform your slave duties, you are not fully present to the dream of life, you are only partially present, that's if you are aware of what is really going on. It is like a Christian being re-born; he has arisen to be with his God and yet he is still slaving away in "The System" in present-sense. What a brilliant psyop program." -------- You might also see/sense that we are also slaves to what we need/want/expect from others too which becomes a massive wheelbarrow full of shit being pulled up the face of an enormous mountain without ever getting to the top. Many slaves labour for the attachments to numerous e-motional outcomes, in fact their WHOLE system lives are made out of this spiraling e-motional shit. They spend a vast part of their lives justifying and arguing for their crippling e-motions.

9 August at 13:29

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Dana Clark

Because I asked if anyone has seen the video in question, and no one spoke up. Because people do usually like to share what they know or have experienced and so - any who had indeed seen the video - one would think the response would have been something like "I've seen this video and I have to agree with you Arthur..." or "This video is typical Tolle garbage..." or whatever.

If there are any who have been a participant in this discussion who have watched the video, I most certainly do apologize and would indeed be interested in hearing their thoughts on it - whether they agree with me or not - and hope that they will consider sharing why they feel this way or that about it.

9 August at 13:08

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Arthur Cristian

To us, the con-struct of "indigo children" is a load of bullshit. Bar the immense brainwashing going on, there is NO exclusive or privileged child or creature or location greater or better or more important than another because all of life/natural-creation is sacred, is unique and original, that is until idiots came along to desecrate such sacredness with lots of non-sense. To us, the WHOLE of the New Age movement is demonic man-made shit. Refer to the Love For Life Sequential Order where you will find a lot of information which expands on this subject in great detail. Some of our recent posts on this FB wall will contain the Sequential Order at the bottom.

Where can millions of innocent children not exposed to "The System" or exposed to anyone who was educated/infected/brainwashed by "The System", go anywhere in nature (including celestial bodies) to learn about "Indigo Children", New Age, Religions, Occults, Esoterics, 1, 2, 3, a, b, c, compass, square and the multi-millions of demonic con-cepts/con-structs derived from them without someone already deeply brainwashed having to explain "Indigo Children", etc....... to them????

Can you please answer this question.

To us "Indigo Children" IS PART OF THE RULES OF THE DIVIDE = ORDER OUT OF CHAOS (doubt, uncertainty, confusion, distraction, fantasy, illusion, delusion, lies, fiction, SELF-CENTEREDNESS = greed, selfishness and power and control trips, etc...)

9 August at 13:34

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Dana Clark

PS - the post I quoted in a previous comment (about pulling another person's hair out) was not from Eshys Eshys. Eshys Eshys posted a very warm and heartfelt comment to me and I thanked them for it.

9 August at 13:16

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Arthur Cristian

Dana, now you have removed the conflict out of your co-creation/co-operation with others . It takes full-responsibility to do this. Now, you have left it open for others to engage with you if they are inspired/want to, etc. Best to keep all forms of e-motional baggage out of the way because if we do not do this we start creating controversies where there isn't any. No one has to respond to you or answer your questions, etc. Now there is NO attachments to any e-motional outcomes. To us, we fully support freedom of speech/thought allowing all the virtues of love (honour, protect, nurture, support, encouragement, etc, etc....) for everyone to fully express their views, opinions, insights, feelings, thoughts, ideas, etc. What we do is confront the claims others make so that through debate and scrutiny (critical thinking) we learn and rout out (expose for all to see) all forms of harm-doing that are lies and fraud. This intention is at the guts of all our Love For Life work but we refuse anyone to e-motionally follow us, to set us up as a cult, etc. We are all for discussion and co-operation/co-creation with common dreams/goals/lifestyles/values, etc. We come together through strength and NOT through e-motional weakness.

9 August at 13:32

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Dana Clark

I'm really, really, really not going on about this because I'm trying to be antagonistic. I really, really, really cannot see how the bulk of what is shared in that video could be negative. My brain is just trying to comprehend how what it sees to be so good can, in reality, be so bad. But tin order for that to happen someone who has seen the video would need to share their input. That's all.

9 August at 13:45

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Arthur Cristian

If you want a world of happy contended slaves then we (Fiona/Arthur) are not the audience you are seeking Dana. We have clearly explained over and over again why the work of Eckhart Tolle is incredibly destructive to most of MAN and that we have had thousands of hands on direct experiences with Eckhart Tolle drones to back these claims.

The greatest lie and liar is the one closest to the truth, they cause the greatest damage of all. The Love For Life work explains all this in great detail as have our posts in this thread.

The work of Eckhart Tolle feeds the SELF-CENTEREDNESS that is at the black heart of system drones performing as the cogs that turns the wheels of "The System" into motion.

Multi-millions of people come to their real awakening in multi-millions of unique ways and none of these ways are responsible for their true awakening because they each are/were the dreamer of their awakening using critical thought to navigate their way through all the bullshit and out of all these lies, fraud, deception and organised crimes to fulfil their dreams awakening, their intentions.

Bring forward the living-sensory-MAN, Eckhart Tolle to back the claim of anyone claiming that it was Eckhart Tolle who awakened them?

Hi Eckhart, is it true that you woke up "John Smith"?

If yes, can you please bring forward all the first party sensory evidence that clearly demonstrates for all to see/sense how you, the living MAN, woke up "John Smith"?

And we are NOT talking about (addressing) 3rd parties acting as impostors of first parties as this is fraud and lying. We are addressing direct-sensory-experience first party to first party, with the living.

9 August at 14:06

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Arthur Cristian

Free Will = not a marionette being pulled by the strings of master puppeteers. Free Will is free will. No MAN can covet and claim another MANS free will without using black-magic trickery.

9 August at 14:11

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Fizz Gig

This Man does not speak for Arthur or Fiona. This Man could sense that the comment made about the Delai Lama by Vicki Victoria, was intended in good humor and recognition of the insincere harmful motives behind that Mans actions. This Man does not feel that Vicki Victoria would intentionally direct harm upon another other than in defense of her life or the lives of her loved ones.

9 August at 14:20

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Arthur Cristian

Thanks for clearing that up Fizz Gig - In our typical rush we got Vicki Victoria comments mixed up with Eshys Eshys - Apologies to Dana Clark, - we should have credited Vicki instead of Eshys. We've gotten to know Vicki very well this past year or so and she has a very strong black-satire (Monty Python like) sense of humour too and she is seriously switched on with an awesome bullshit detector and is very strong on the do no harm path too.

9 August at 14:36

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Vicki Victoria

Wow guys!!!!! It's amazing what transpires when one is not "plugged in". I've been off-line for a few days because we have no electricity. Just put the generator on... and viola....this woman discovers cyber-space is alive and well! Thanks for those comments Arthur Cristian and Fizz Gig. And to Dana: I'm really sorry that I offended you. My humor is not meant to offend, so please accept my apologies. I guess it's a case of think before you type....or maybe it should be think before you push the send button because I may not be as funny as I like to think!

9 August at 14:48

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Dana Clark

Vicki - my apologies. I was just surprised to see such a comment in a do no harm group of people. I should not have made such a big deal over it. Very sorry.

9 August at 17:42

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Dana Clark

Silly me, i'm at the wrong place. I thought i was somewhere else. Terribly sorry for wasting everyone's time here. Carry on.

9 August at 18:13

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Arthur Cristian

Dana, to us we treat each other (Fiona/Arthur) no different to the way you experienced us in this thread. We have no favorites with anyone. We willingly go to the depths of whatever e-motion there maybe to help release and surface our own shit yet alone others. We are just not precious with each other and others - guess you could call us rough necks. We are determined to be as pure and sincere as we possibly can be which means we do not contrive feelings, attitudes, pleasantries, friendships, etc. We have an absolute dislike for anything fake.

9 August at 18:19

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Arthur Cristian

All forms of storytelling is fake and one of the worst of them all is the copycat behaviors/attitudes we form out of all the fantasies/fictions we've been exposed to since early-child-hood.... Walt Disney, Cartoons, Novels, Hollywood, Fairytale Books, Churches, Victorianism, etc.... They get ingrained for a whole life-time unless we rout out these demonic apparitions forming our contrived behaviours. None of this shit is who we really are. Thanks to "The System" brainwashing and discombobulation programs multi millions of men, women and children now want to be loved, appreciated, liked, etc, etc. We do not give a shit about any of this non-sense garbage. We've been denied direct experience so that we reach out for all the compensation we can muster to survive the falseness that has become us. The reactions to trauma go far far far far far far far deeper than most people could presently comprehend.

9 August at 18:32

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Arthur Cristian

When we really wake up there is no selling or pitching behaviours of any type cause we are who we really are and are very comfortable being who we really are. Once we remember who we really are we can never be stolen from who we really are anymore. We have no need to defend/protect who we really are with anyone and there is no need to impress others with who we really are either. Through direct-experience, who we really are is EVIDENT and this includes what goes on "under the skin" of who we really are. When we really wake up we are no longer control freaks. We no longer base our sense of belonging through a maze of expectations, conditions, etc, all of which is determined by 3rd parties (anyone/anything apart from us). AND we no longer live for the reflections/shadows of these deep-seated e-motion (needy) programs, all of which came from 3rd parties imposing their will upon us. We are all sacred.

9 August at 18:55

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Michael E. V. Knight

IMAGE POWER
Superb Diamond Range Interviewing Arthur & Fiona Cristian
4th February 2014
http://youtu.be/qFnuuw3kLog?list=UUFg0Iw4ujjPHGKsiF4m5K2Q

10 August at 04:18

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Deborah de Leeuw

OK, I see your point about using the term Indigo and yes, it is a dividing term. But, from my own direct experience, I have seen each younger generation with "gifts." I am still discerning Anastasia's gifts compared to New Age occult teachings. I don't know why I want to look at this. Your articles that I've read so far, are eye-opening. And, so answer your question, where can children go without being 'labeled' would probably only be in an Anastasia domain. It seems to me Anastasia even sees the children are gifted in writing about Dasha, when Anastasia showed Valdimir the future in 9 years....which will be next year, btw. She didn't use the term Indigio, that's for sure so I apologize for using that term.

10 August at 04:50

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Arthur Cristian

We (MAN) are all "gifted", not one more "special" than the next. However, most of us have forgotten these "gifts". The moment we get into "gifted", we get into exclusivity and privilege, into divide and rule, into "The System". Schools are full of gifted and talented classes, excursions, etc, these days, along with "leadership" programs. What about the rest of them? How do they feel about this, the not-so-special ones? Setting up the divide and rule, the us and them, as early as possible.

11 August at 23:48

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Paul Curtis

Who is Arthur's master and who does Arthur represent ? I understand that no man is my master.

12 August at 02:28

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Arthur Cristian

We are co-creators of the dream of life - our "master" is do no harm and we "slave" for life is a gift.

12 August at 03:02

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Arthur Cristian

We get your sentiments & intentions Bhikkhu but staying a slave is doing harm to who you/we really are too and then there is the slave legacy we leave for our children and the generations to come.

13 August at 00:39

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Arthur Cristian

E-Motion
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 13th August 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8537

The full article is also posted here: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10204394215763551

13 August at 16:59

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Arthur Cristian

Dana Clark we posted this comment today as an introduction to the discussion we had with Brother Gregory May 2014. It further explains our views on why the work of Eckhart Tolle is extremely dangerous to MAN causing massive harm in ways beyond most peoples present comprehension.

Discussion With Brother Gregory
Clearly Demonstrating Christianity
Is Part Of The Problem & Not The Solution

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
Between the 12th and 19th May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8542

Every moment of life is unique and original, never repeated, never the same. Every moment throughout the whole of the dream of life is unique and original, just as every grain of sand, every drop of water and every living creature is unique and original.

MAN is supposed to be unique and original but we are brought up in a man-made system that has those around us putting the images that are programs of e-motion into our heads again and again and again so that we start repeating them again and again and again in our lives to the point where there is barely anything unique and original about us anymore. We become trapped in the e-motion, thinking it is true and real, to the point where we will fight for it and do harm to uphold it.

We fight for our Christianity, our Buddhism or our Anthroposophy but none of it is unique and original; all of it is ideas put into our heads by other men and women. There is nothing unique and original about the Bible or the Torah or political doctrine or philosophy.

As soon as someone puts a program in your head, you are no longer thinking unique and original thoughts. "The System" is just made up of e-motion, programs of pictures that we perform repeatedly over and over and over again for a whole lifetime. There is nothing unique and original here, nothing unique and original about the music of "The System", the sport of "The System", the politics of "The System", the education of "The System".

Walking into "The System" is walking into a room of mirrors and living our lives out of the reflections in the mirrors, thinking that those reflections are genuine and real. But in "The System", everything has been desecrated - the air, the food, the water, nature and MAN. We are in conflict with these reflections of man-made images and we intensely wrestle with them throughout our lives.

We are all suffering because we are not supposed to desecrate the uniqueness and originality of life and we are not supposed to be forcing each other to live under the image power of other men and women. As soon as we put stuff into our childrens heads, we are desecrating their uniqueness and originality. The creator of the dream of life is unique and original, without beginning or end, just as we, MAN, are unique and original without beginning or end.

We fall for the morally correct truths of our chosen belief systems and then accept as valid the rest of the belief system, by default. We forget to examine and use logic and scrutiny and become misled and mislead others because we haven't thought things through and have become blind to the harm caused by our belief systems.

Why do we have so much doubt? Why do we doubt who we are and doubt each other?

This uncertainty that we learn in "The System" comes from the loss of uniqueness and originality. We doubt ourselves because we don't know who we really are and live our lives following programs that are not who we are. If we do not know who we are, we have doubt.

None of the so-called remedies work because they do not honour the uniqueness and originality of all of life and continue to desecrate the sacredness of life.

Those behind Ubuntu like Michael Tellinger have just kidnapped the name and set it up as a political party. Nothing unique and original. This is the same with all freedom movements.

See the Facebook discussion about Eckhart Tolle here https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10204322437169131 and here https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/695542583816854; again we are being told what to think and feel and how to act. The sacredness of MAN has been forsaken.

For many, many more articles that expand on the themes covered in this thread, look at the sequential order of articles, posts, etc, posted near the bottom of this webpage.

The only way out of this mess is for us to stop imposing our image power onto others and to start taking the steps to free our children and each other so that we can return to celebrating the uniqueness and originality of every moment forevermore.

29 August at 15:00

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Arthur Cristian

Walking into "The System" is walking into a room of mirrors and living our lives out of the reflections in the mirrors, thinking that those reflections are genuine and real. But in "The System", thanks to the reflections, everything has been desecrated - the air, the food, the water, nature and MAN. We are in conflict with these reflections of man-made images. They compel us to perform as senseless drones of mayhem throughout our lives trapped in a perpetual cycle wrestling with imaginary foes and siding with illusory allies, all the while doing immense harm to who we really are and what we are really part of.

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We've updated this comment........

Discussion With Brother Gregory
Clearly Demonstrating Christianity
Is Part Of The Problem & Not The Solution

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
Between the 12th and 19th May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8542

Every moment of life is unique and original, never repeated, never the same. Every moment throughout the whole of the dream of life is unique and original, just as every grain of sand, every drop of water and every living creature is unique and original.

MAN is supposed to be unique and original but we are brought up in a man-made system that has those around us putting the images that are programs of e-motion into our heads again and again and again so that we start repeating them again and again and again in our lives to the point where there is barely anything unique and original about us anymore. We become trapped in the e-motion, thinking it is true and real, to the point where we will fight for it and do harm to uphold it.

We fight for our Christianity, our Buddhism, our race, our culture or our Anthroposophy but none of it is unique and original; all of it is ideas put into our heads by other men and women. There is nothing unique and original about the Bible or the Torah or political doctrine or philosophy or system science or mathematics and alphabet languages.

As soon as someone puts a program in your head, you are no longer thinking unique and original thoughts. "The System" is just made up of e-motion, programs of unnatural pictures that we perform repeatedly over and over and over again for a whole lifetime. There is nothing unique and original here, nothing unique and original about the music of "The System", the sport of "The System", the politics of "The System", the education of "The System". We did not create these e-motions naturally, instead we were forced-fed garbage to rot the sacredness of life, of your life and the life of your families, communities and nature all-around.

Walking into "The System" is walking into a room of mirrors and living our lives out of the reflections in the mirrors, thinking that those reflections are genuine and real. But in "The System", thanks to the reflections, everything has been desecrated - the air, the food, the water, nature and MAN. We are in conflict with these reflections of man-made images. They compel us to perform as senseless drones of mayhem throughout our lives trapped in a perpetual cycle wrestling with imaginary foes and siding with illusory allies, all the while doing immense harm to who we really are and what we are really part of.

We are all suffering because we are not supposed to desecrate the uniqueness and originality of life and we are not supposed to be forcing each other to live under the image power of other men and women. As soon as we put stuff into our childrens heads, we are desecrating their uniqueness and originality. The creator of the dream of life is unique and original, without beginning or end, just as we, MAN, are unique and original without beginning or end.

We fall for the morally and logically correct truths of our chosen belief systems and then accept as valid the rest of the belief system, by default. We forget to examine and use logic and scrutiny and become misled and mislead others because we haven't thought things through and have become blind to the harm caused by our belief systems, the reflections. And then we doubt each other, our families, our friends, our community and nature all-around because the reflections have made us aliens to everything real and living. Now we have brothers and sisters turning against each other, families fighting and the chaos of social unrest, wars and harm-doing every which way we turn.

And who do we blame for all the chaos?

The reflections and our brothers/sisters lost to those reflections.

Why do we have so much doubt?

Why do we doubt who we are and doubt each other?

The reflections.

This uncertainty that we learn in "The System" comes from the loss of uniqueness and originality. We doubt ourselves because we don't know who we really are and live our lives following programs that are not who we really are. If we do not know who we really are, we have doubt.

None of the so-called remedies found in "The System" of reflections work because they do not honour the uniqueness and originality of all of life and continue to desecrate the sacredness of life.

Those behind Ubuntu like Michael Tellinger have just kidnapped the name and set it up as a political party. Nothing unique and original. This is the same with all freedom movements.

See the Facebook discussion about Eckhart Tolle here https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10204322437169131 and here https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/695542583816854; again we are being told what to think and feel and how to act. The sacredness of MAN has been forsaken.

For many, many more articles that expand on the themes covered in this thread, look at the Love For Life Sequential Order of articles, videos, debates, podcasts, etc, posted near the bottom of this webpage.

The only way out of this man-made system mess is for us to stop imposing our image power (reflections) onto others and to start taking the steps to free our children and each other so that we can return to celebrating the uniqueness and originality of every moment forevermore. We were all (MAN was) meant to be raised by nature all-around us and not by man-made education/brainwashing/instructions/explanations. This is the ONLY way we can be an original unique MAN in present-sense. For MAN, Earth/Nature to prosper MAN must be free of brainwashing/braindirtying/reflections.

29 August at 15:01

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Arthur Cristian

Brother Gregory Williams wrote....

" Before there was a dictionary Samuel Johnson said "Words are the symbols of ideas." Every word has many definitions and can be used in different senses. People in our past discovered things and were changed by that which they're willing to see."

We replied........

Gregory, MAN may/will change, caused by direct-sensory-experience with nature all-around (expand consciousness by adding unique, original sensory information to the dream of life) but when it comes to having a direct experience with man-made words, ONLY the continued evolution of a robotic slave to word-pictures has changed and therefore nothing else is going on. This is why, under these present, severely compromised circumstances we are all awaking too, it is very important to sense the intentions of others communicating with a lineal language like English (abomination) and to not solely focus on the "WORD" because if we do, then we are completely lost to reflections that alienate each other.

We (MAN) were meant to create living-sensory-life-forms and set them free to benefit and expand the sensory-dream-of life. But this does not happen with words/thought alone. There is nothing living there (word/thought), nothing unique and original, nothing REAL and TRUE, no sensory-life present to that thought/word. They can ONLY become reflections to destroy us, to cause us in present-sense to give up our uniqueness and originality as living creators (GODS), co-creators of the dream of life. Following words-thoughts around is what a slave/drone/robot does. A slave acts as a re-presentative of a word/thought. The word/thought needs the life of a duped-fallen-MAN to perform for it and thus con the fallen-MAN into giving up everything real and true and unique and original about the MAN.

29 August at 15:00

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Arthur Cristian

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The "name" is every letter, word, number, measurement, calendar, etc, of ANY read and write alphabet language. The supermarket is a "name" containing many, many "names". The suburbs, cities and towns are "names" containing many, many "names". The roads, highways, byways, streets, avenues, etc, are "names" containing many, many "names".

The libraries, courts, governments, institutions, corporations, banks, economies, arenas, cinemas, media, clubs, hotels, nightclubs, etc, are "names" containing many, many, many, many, "names".

"The System" is a "name" containing many, many, many, many, many, many, "names".

The "Mark" (created by pen, pencil, ink, digital-data, etc, on paper, hard-drives, etc) is the "Name" and the Beast IS "The System" of "Names".

Use/rent any "name" and you are still contracted (BOUND) to "The System" of that "name", be it United States of America, Australia, England, United Nations, NATO, EU, WTO, New South Wales, Queensland, Texas, Plymouth, Beirut, Tel Aviv, Moscow, Rydalmere, Windsor, Post Codes, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, and to the next version of "The System" to come, currently identified as the "name" NWO (One World/Earth/Planet GovernMENt, Military, Money/Commerce, Education, Law, Language, etc).

Do you fully comprehend?

The Birth Certificate is ONLY a very tiny part of a massive world of make-believe "names" that keep you trapped in it. Giving up "name" on Birth Certificate DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE LEFT "THE SYSTEM" of "NAME", instead you/we continue to be completely trapped in it. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. The Freemasonic/Satanic Intel networks have got you exactly where they want you to be.

For these Satanists/Freemasons to win this war waged by them and their ancestors against all of their brothers/sisters of MAN across Earth, they must keep MAN trapped under "name", using "name", renting "name", living with/by "name", etc, etc, (currently in ways beyond most people's present comprehension) so that their captives (to/of "name") will sail over the seas of "name", from the old world of "name" to the new world of "name" and forever remain trapped under "name".

"Name" is the WORD = The "Living Word of "God" created by their founding father, SATAN (a MAN), the Grand Architect of The System of "names". The living word of God (as in the Bible) is a terrible, terrible, lie. The "Word" IS NOT LIVING.

"Name" is a thought/picture without sensory-life embodied in present-sense. This is explained below in a post put up "today".

When people claim they "own" land or money or home, etc, they are lying and misleading everyone who gets infected by these lies. The land does not come forward and explain in its own tongue that anyone under any "name" "owns" it. Neither does a tree or a bird or water, air, insects, animals, stars, planets, etc, claim/do this either.

ONLY a duped brainwashed MAN, practised in lying and committing fraud, will come forward to commit a crime like this. They commit a crime because they claim they "own" land, mountains, valleys, hillsides, rivers, children and other men and women and they can ONLY do this under the "name" of whatever "name"/"names" they re-present (perform for). The rivers, hillsides, etc, know nothing of "ownership", or of "name". "Ownership" is derived from "name", including us when we claim ownership over who we are. This is ego.

The fact is NO ONE OWNS anything of reality, life, nature, earth, MAN, etc......

This picture tells us only a very, very tiny piece of the big picture puzzle of our enslavement to "name"and is what the freedom/truth movement and all the INTEL networks focus on. It is only a very small part of the scam. Giving up the birth certificate does NOT set you free!

All alphabet languages are based on "name" and we are using an alphabet language to try and get away from the "name". We have been trained in an alphabet language and educated in an alphabet language so that we rely ONLY on an alphabet language. This is how they have got us.

Until we move completely away from our system "name" training, we are trapped in "The System" of "name" no matter how much of their "name" paperwork we file or reject. We are using a "name" based alphabet language to expose the "name" scam while at the same "time" we rely on it for our true freedom. How can the lie give us freedom? It can't!

Refer to this post from "today"

Discussion With Brother Gregory
Clearly Demonstrating Christianity
Is Part Of The Problem & Not The Solution

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
Between the 12th and 19th May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8542

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David Andrew Bryson

DID YOU KNOW? Any claim(s) that any Gov't Agency presumes to make upon you/us that is based on either the LEGAL NAME FRAUD (the All-Caps Name) or on the BIRTH CERTIFICATE FRAUD (basis of all forms of ID) is null and void the moment that claim is even made....and here's why:

"FRAUD VITIATES EVERYTHING": "Fraud destroys the validity of everything into which it enters," Nudd v. Burrows, 91 US 426; NUDD v. BURROWS, 91 US 426 (1875)

"Fraud vitiates everything," Boyce v. Grundy, 3 Pet. 210; Volume 1830 -- US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & Oyez
Boyce's Executors v. Grundy

"Fraud vitiates the most solemn contracts, documents and even judgments." U.S. v. Throckmorton, 98 US 61

Stuff that in your Lawful Ganja Pipe and SMOKE IT~! ; )

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29 August at 18:43

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Arthur Cristian

Sharing a FB PM from Nick in Canada....... we posted this to around 200 FB friends via PM.

Nick wrote......

Hello, this place is almost just as disFUNKtional as the big city. King Richard Ortega is the DICKtater LOL here, and the rest are his servants. He is glassy-eyed (on medication?) bug-eyed (thyroid) and shows signs of MPD. (MK'd?) He walks around methodically like a zombie looking for something I am doing wrong. I have had it out with him on 3 occasions already. I will elaborate when I escape the L00NEY BIN after Oct. 1st sometime. I am on a new iMac 27" with a built-in HD camera and mic. (U can see EVERY WRINKLE L0L).It is set up for Skype nicely and I opened an account. I will let U know when it is OK to chat. Angele is a nice lady but clueless to anything 'negative'. She enables King Dickhead, but that is the norm today isn't it.

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We replied..........

It's what we suspected. Thanks for sharing. We've been working with lots of young people and its easier to inspire them on a path that fulfills their dreams/aspirations without causing loss of uniqueness and originality and supports everyone else with their dreams/aspirations/uniqueness/etc, too, BUT we have to regularly use the baseball bat to help them learn about respect, full-responsibility, accountability, reliability, discipline, delegation, etc, etc, and learning how to use the brain instead of the e-motional programs that makes them ego-centric/self-centered, drones, etc, and have them fall under the psycho "state" of negative-destructive e-motions.... so we are ruthless too Nick and you might not love us anymore if you came over here and got involved with us, even though we would love you to come over and get involved with the rest of us. Kindom is between the ears, it ain't outside of us somewhere else. If we can't create Kindom out of our lives, between the ears (so to speak) then we won't be able to create Kindom anywhere and this is why we have become very "hard task masters", etc. It's sink or swim - no prisoners taken to Kindom. This process is a very dirty job and must be done. This is a big picture subject and it requires lots of explanation. We plan to cover the ground of all this in coming videos, documentary, music, etc, all of which might not start being created until later this year, early next year.

We find it is very challenging for old dogs to learn new tricks. Self-centeredness, is ingrained in us from such a young age that many find it impossible to start thinking and living for the group and stop thinking and living for themselves. Pride, etc, are massive killers. We are brutal in exposing the real shit very fast and not let anyone continue performing their fake "personalities" here. We bring this fakeness to the surface so fast that many run fast and we prefer this than waste our life-energy on them. Those who don't run (driven by e-motion) are running the gauntlet of bullshit until they come out the other end free of this terrible sickness and malaise. We do this for each other too so there is nowhere to hide for anyone including us.

Lets chat over Skype later next-week or week after. We just planted 3500 seedlings and more is to come. There are many projects coming into play, building hot house, sheds, chicken run (eggs for the dogs), chopping trees down, woodchipping, putting up heaps of lattice, etc, and getting and planting fruit trees, organising 2000 litres (2 cubic square meters) of seedling mix and 2000 litres of potting mix for fruit trees in pots (to be relocated to the Kindom land down-the-line and planted in the ground) and more people coming to get involved from all over the place.

15 September at 00:40

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Arthur Cristian

Dana Clark

Hello Arthur,

I’m not sure why you sent me this PM, perhaps you sent it to everyone? Taking into account the large amount of FB friends you have I don’t think this is very realistic so I have to assume you felt there was a necessary message for me to be found in your words. So, going on the premise that there is an intended message for me here and, in consideration of exactly what those words said, I have a few things I’d like to share with you - so I’ll just cut right to the chase…

I think you mistake my kindness for weakness and my enthusiasm for naivety. And, if I am interpreting your intended message correctly here, you think I am still lost in the throws of self-centered delusion and the brainwashed state of trauma and therefore am still operating mindlessly through ego and emotion, all because I happen to recognize some things of value in an Eckhart Tolle video? No doubt, this is very much how you have analyzed my input during our interaction over said video as this was clearly demonstrated in your words to me during that interaction.

My question to you regarding that video was most sincere and was born out of a genuine desire to help people. Most importantly, my question to you was about the video - and what is presented in the video - NOT Tolle himself or anything he has said or done since that video, nor any of your feelings on the man, nor any other way Tolle could be construed so as to have any kind of relationship or connection with anyone or anything.

Not having seen the video, and obviously having no desire to see it (perfectly alright, your choice), you could have easily and simply responded by telling me this and that would have sufficient. Instead, you responded with what appear to be pre-conceived ideas and rigid beliefs about Tolle and then chose to make an example out of me as you drove home your point.

Trust me, there are far better and far more effective ways to get one’s point across than to make an example out of another human being. And THAT is the whole thing right there - you feeling the need to use my sincere question as an opportunity to drive home a point which you obviously felt way more strongly about than I did about my question - as is evidenced by your several lengthy posts and reposts of my question, et al. And in order to do so you refused to acknowledge it when I kept reiterating that my question was about the video and not Tolle. And yet, it was - apparently still is - implied that I was/am the one being emotional?

It was a simple question, really, and the response became somewhat of a circus - a Tolle-bashing circus, complete with your followers cheering you on and not one person involved slowing down enough to actually pay attention to my original question and give appropriate response. It was all somewhat fanatical really - no reflection, no rationality, no actual hearing of the original query but instead just a “hey, let’s just jump on this bandwagon anyway, because, gee - it’s fun to point the finger!” atmosphere to the whole thing. Isn’t this the very same polarized way of thinking that is the cause of much harm in the world?

I am the only one who dared disagree with, or question what it was, you were saying and I’M the one being singled out as if I can’t see or think for myself? LOL. That’s insane.

As I already stated then, and was completely ignored, I could really care less about Tolle - again, the messenger is separate from the message.

If I was emotionally invested in the whole thing Arthur, I would have “unfriended” you and “unliked” all your other FB pages. But you have vital information that needs to known by all and I’m not going to let my experience with this whole thing stop me from doing all that I personally am able to do to help spread that info. Because none of this is about me and my life. Rest assured, my ego certainly is not bruised. Because none of it matters at all as compared to what really matters.

Your accusation of me wanting “special treatment” was so completely over the top it borders on absurd. Unless, that is, wanting to participate in what should have - could have - been an objective, productive, and constructive conversation - with people who actually know what the heck it is they are really commenting about - is what it means to want “special treatment.”

The incredible irony here? So much of what is presented in Tolle’s video is right in line with the ideas shared by Love for Life. And for you to go to such great lengths to bash him (and therefore the video) - the irony of such would not be lost on anyone who has actually seen the thing.

I don’t have any ill will towards you. Believe me, I consider it to be of the utmost importance that you succeed in your work. I hope you don’t get so wrapped up in looking for the bad in, or the faults of, others that you no longer can see the good in anyone or anything they may have to say just because they, themselves, were not able to dream up a remedy such as yourself. One could end up lost on the human factor of it all. You know, treating another human being with decency? The human being is, after all, more important than any message, concept, or idea one could be so driven to put out there.

15 September at 00:41

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Arthur Cristian

We replied to Dana....... Hi Dana, it was quickly sent to a few hundred FB friends via PM. Just letting others know the reality of what we do, etc. We are posting another reply to you later tonight.

15 September at 00:41

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Arthur Cristian

This is a reply to Dana, to Rob and Lisa, and to Stephen, because all the discussions are related to us and all come together in the big picture that we see/sense.

From this Facebook thread: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10204322437169131

Dana, we were always sincere and clear in our intentions with you throughout the whole of the Eckhart Tolle interaction. Eckhart Tolle is "NAME". Do you fully comprehend the significance of this and how it shatters EVERYONE who falls into and under-the-standing of the image-power associated to that "name"?

We were NOT addressing your pure and sincere heart-felt inspired intentions, we were addressing the Satanic power behind the "name" "Eckhart Tolle" and its effect on all victims who fall under the image power of that "name". The Bible is also "name", as is Jesus, Virgin Mary, etc. There are multi millions of them. When we choose to put our faith and belief into a "name", an image, we empower it with our life force energy which is reflected back at us in the image of our projection, our making.

When there are multi thousands/millions all focusing on the same image, "name", the collective will power and intent of that faith and belief empowers everyone under that image. This is how so-called miracles and healings are created; there is no miracle about any of them, just the collective life force energy and the intent of believers creating them. This is Satanic practise, the craft and practise of Satanism.

The Bible is set to the system - everything in the background of the Bible is "The System", just as the background to Tolle is "The System" of "name". These are pictures that are not brought to anyone's attention and, because they are not brought to anyone's attention, they become the blind spots that we explain further on, that people are not aware of. There is far more information in the picture of the Bible or the virgin Mary than believers are conscious of; it is subliminal programming.

When we confront bible believers and point this out to them, they do not want to look at this. They are in deep denial because they can't prove that any of the images of Jesus, the Bible, etc, have come to them through direct experience in nature. They have not experienced them as living sensory life forms. They are just pictures that we call thoughts. The belief of the believers is so powerful that they do not want to see that they are just believing what they have been educated to believe. They are willingly continuing their slave status, even fighting for it.

As we often say, where can innocent children not exposed to system images, such as God, Bible, Jesus, etc, directly experience these images in nature as sensory life forms? They cannot comprehend these images without someone who has already been brainwashed into the images explaining them to them. Where would a child brought up in nature with animals and no evidence of "civilisation" anywhere, ever come across these images? This shows us how deep Bible believers are in denial.

For instance, they talk about God being male but, if they look carefully into the system images in the Bible, they will see that the priests are male, and the leaders are mostly male. This is the psyop programming at work because all the believers trapped by these Satanic images are also trapped by all the other images of "The System" that they have learnt through their education. They think that they are saved but they are still slaves, still compelled by all the laws and rules and regulations and to working hard, day in, day out, to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table. This isn't freedom, this is delusion! All they have to offer is the spell they have fallen for. Another MAN is their master but they think they are saved.

Satanists, those who create the images for others to fall for, also have the power to send images to people's brains, whether of "appearances" or "miracles" so that the believers are convinced of what they believe in. This consolidates their belief and, as their belief system is set against "The System", cannot help but support "The System" if they continue worshipping their beliefs.

The image makers are MAN and the believers are MAN. There is no separated archetype, no invisible higher, more powerful being that only the lucky, privileged few get to glimpse or experience. For example, if someone wants to come and visit us, we can give them the location we are at and they can come to that location and experience us directly through their senses.

We cannot, however, visit God or Jesus and experience them directly through our senses. If we ask for their location we are told that they are in heaven which we cannot experience either! All we can experience is another man or woman telling us about God or Jesus that they most likely haven't experienced directly through their senses either.

All that they are worshipping are pictures, "names", that have been given to them by other men and women that are nowhere to be found as sensory living life forms in nature. Does anything of nature need these pictures in order to exist? By worshipping these pictures, they are worshipping the MAN who invented the pictures, the MAN who thought them up. At the start of the Bible, it says, "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God." The Satanists are telling you the truth: the word is man-made and God is the inventor of the word = a MAN. The word is not natural, not sensory. It doesn't exist as a sensory life form of its own free will, as a horse does.

Christians say that the Bible is the living word of God, but where is it living? Where can we visit this living word? Where can we visit the pictures/images of this living word? Where can we visit the languages that this living word is presented in? Where are a, b, c? Or Hebrew, or hieroglyphics? Believers in this living word are actually believers in the image power of another MAN, in the pictures thought up by a MAN. Bible believers break their first commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." They break it because the thought of God is not God - it is just an idea of a God made up by another MAN and they are worshipping that MAN as a God.

"The System" was made up by a MAN who made up the letters and pictures that became the spells that persuaded other men and women to give up their power to the law, politics, religions, education and institutions of "The System". Most men and women are deeply discriminated against because they don't want power and control over others so end up giving up their power to others because, in "The System", there always has to be someone in power. We learn not to take full responsibility for being the creator and to live lives under limited liability.

Pictures/images/words can't come forward as first parties; only men and women can come forwards to explain the pictures to us. This clearly shows us the truth that WE are the ones with the power. We are the living, sensory life forms that can be experienced by other living sensory life forms without the need for explanations or smoke and mirror tactics.

Christians can show us plenty of "good" messages in the Bible, such as love thy neighbour, do not steal, etc, but that does not mean that the Bible is not a brainwashing tool to keep men and women trapped in "The System". Did we not have all these "good" attributes before the Bible came along? Why are they putting doubt and uncertainty into MAN'S thinking? In the same way, there are lots of "good" messages in the work of Tolle, but this does not detract from the fact that his work is set against the backdrop of "The System" and does nothing to free men and women from the tyranny of system thought and belief.

Satanists love supporting his work by allowing him exposure and a following because they use people like him as a net that captures men and women who are looking for a way out, for an end to the suffering of "The System". In their searching, they come across Tolle, feel the "good" in his work and think they have found something really powerful, unaware, or in denial, of the fact that his work is another system cul-de-sac that just continues their slave status in "The System".

This is why we are always talking about seeing the bigger picture: if we do not see/sense the big-picture, as to what is really going on, we will continue to be duped, deceived, tricked and trapped under the image power of "name" = the continuation of self-centeredness = the continuation of complete e-motional bondage to "The System" of "name"/"names". Those behind "The System" know this which is why people such as Tolle get invited onto Oprah Winfrey and given huge exposure throughout the media of "The System". You don't see us invited on Oprah, do you? Or anywhere, even among so called freedom/truth/alternative operators.

The only people who interview us are small, totally independent men and women with their own internet radio stations.You would think that all those freedom/truthers out there would at least have an interest in seeing what we have to say, and in scrutinising it and putting what we say to the test. But no, we are ignored, which we take as a huge compliment!

The "name", Eckhart Tolle and all that he writes, does not address almost everything we have been addressing since March 2005. "The System" images associated to "Name", Love For Life.com.au and "names" Fiona Cristian, Arthur Cristian and Arthur & Fiona Cristian, etc, address the big picture we see/sense in and of "The System" allowing everyone who comes into contact with these "names" (images) to see/sense the big picture we see/sense IF they put the effort in and do all the hard work, scrutinising, etc, required.

As occurred in the Eckhart Tolle discussion and as again re-occurring in this FB PM chat, you are completely caught up in the e-motion of "Name" Dana Clark in conflict with the living MAN Fiona Cristian & Arthur Cristian, which has absolutely nothing to do with our intentions, perceptions, insights, what we are saying/writing, etc, where we are really coming from, etc......

If we want to stop reacting to trauma, to the pull of e-motion, we have to learn how to get off ALL our e-motional self-centeredness, attachments to "name" and the pictures associated with "name". To us, MAN has spent too long in our heads and we need to learn how to get out of there. MANS/our consciousness was meant to always be in control of our head and not our head in control and apart from our/MANS consciousness.

All the e-motions are clearly demonstrating the head disconnected from consciousness. No one "owns" consciousness for to do so is to enter into the storytelling of a make-believe illusion of separation between us. By setting "ownership" into motion, which we do through belief in "name" (that life-form is a daffodil and is yellow), with all the associated pictures/explanations attached (the yellow daffodil is part of this and that and does this and that...), we create the illusion of separation between each other (your "name's" postal address, tax file number, bank account, drivers license, etc and my "name's" postal address, tax file number, bank account, drivers license, etc), and between us and nature (astrology, astronomy, "system science", etc), and between who we really are and the make-believe performance of who we think and e-motionally believe we are.

The e-motional separation becomes the chaos in need of order, becomes the divide that needs to be ruled, so we buy/mortgage/lease land under "name" to provide the order to the chaos (doubt, uncertainty, fear-of-tomorrow, etc) "name" has. Do we have to jump 10 feet across a room to grab our next breath? Of course not, we already have it where we already are.

Through psyops programs we get conned into believing that the "name" we re-present does not have freedom, security, stability, etc, unless "name" "owns" land, so on behalf of "name", we buy/lease/mortgage land to compensate for (have ownership over) this e-motional trauma. We are already on land yet the e-motional program of lot, plot, address, bank account, mortgage, etc, provides the illusion of order (security) over land.

We were meant to be dreaming through our consciousness and expanding our consciousness by doing/being/living it (grounding/creating our dreams) through thoughts inspired, guided and directed by our consciousness. The e-motions ONLY offer conflict with MANS consciousness, conflict in-between who we think we are and our consciousness because who we think we are was put into our heads by someone else. Then there is the conflict between us, MAN to MAN, and the conflict between MAN and nature because everything of Earth/Nature/MAN has all been explained to us, we have not created this information in our unique lives in present sense through direct, sensory experience.

There is NO separation but we were trained to imagine a separation through explanation/education/instruction and, lost in this make-believe, we perform the separation as an e-motional program. Us, "name", to nature, "name". Us, "name", to multi-millions of "names". Divide = "name"- and rule = "name". This is how we have all been broken down into "The System" of "name".

We do not question who you are, or your intentions or sincerity, etc. We did not ask anyone to "jump on the bandwagon" and have a go at you. Why are you taking everything so personally (e-motionally)? We ALL have baggage to let go of, Dana, in many, many different ways so we are NEVER about superiority or being right or exclusivity or privilege. We will never claim to be better than anyone. What we do have to draw on is these past 9 years of scutinising and contemplating, thinking and sensing very deeply about everything we come across.

This sometimes makes us seem as though we think we know it all to people who want to take us this way. It is not that we think that we know it all, it is just that we have covered a huge amount of ground over that period and this experience enables us to very quickly see the lies and the fraud and the layers of deception. So, to some, we seem to write things off very fast, without looking at them in depth? Why? Because we can tell very quickly what is going on. Arthur did watch the video and we have read some of Tolle's work previously. We know what he is about.

Many people who have read Tolle form an e-motional attachment to his work because of things they like in his work. This can blind them to the bigger picture of what Tolle is really a part of, which is marching everyone towards the NWO, even though he may be unaware of this. We had to go through a culling process as we woke up. We thought David Icke was the bees knees and it was a shock when we realised what his role really is. And he is just one example of many, many people, ideas, books, etc, that we had to be brave enough to let go of to come to where we are now. Most people who wake up go through this and it is actually a great thing to go through because it weans us off our e-motional attachments.

We have to be careful about projecting our past experiences, feelings, e-motions, etc, onto what we are presented with. When we do, it is as though we take a white shirt and dip it in a bucket of mud, the mud being our baggage. When we do this, we are unable to see the white shirt clearly because of the mud.

How many relationships are conducted through the mud because people are unable to set aside the mud to really sense and experience their partner? Many, many, many, many. This is no different to "the daffodil is yellow". Every time we come across that life form, our heads are spinning with "the daffodil is yellow" and this image is more powerful to us than the actual life form. We cannot sense the life form because of the mud we are plastering it with.

When you place your e-motional attachment to what you were saying over us, you can no longer sense us, where we are coming from, our intentions, etc. You are in the trauma of that e-motion. Again, Dana, this is not to have a go at you. This is the reality for just about every one out there trapped in the e-motion of "The System". This is what we are trying to point out to you about Tolle. The pull of e-motion towards Tolle is actually very dangerous to everyone unsuspecting of the sleight of hand tactics in his work that become the blind spots that keep us firmly trapped in "The System" no matter how much we think we are "waking up" and "getting out".

As we wrote a few days ago on the FB wall........ "The challenge is to see/sense the complete big-picture cause then we can clearly navigate our way out of "The System" in this life as part of a mass exodus, never to be trapped. But if we don't clearly see/sense the big picture in its entirety then we remain trapped in all those areas we do not see/sense, the blind spots, and there we remain trapped with everyone else who followed our/their path (words)/pictures."

When we think of a "name", any "name", we will have a whole lot of meanings/associations, etc, that come with that "name", but there are many "names", many pictures that have a vast array of e-motional attachment that are the blind spots that stop everyone from seeing the big picture. If you can't see/sense the big picture, then you are trapped to be used and abused by Satanists/Freemasons who have got you exactly where they want you. By association with the "name", through your e-motional attachment, you are now open to being manipulated by the reflections, the mud, of all the system images..... the daffodil is yellow. Which is exactly why we answered your question/s the way we did - we were pointing out the bigger picture!

What we see from you, is a persistent habit of dumping your e-motional attachments on everyone, creating conflict where there is none intended. We have never asked you to get e-motional or defensive with us, or to take things we say as an attack on you, the woman. We have nothing against you, you are a good woman trying to make sense of the shitty world you have to live in and determined to do something about fixing it. Good for you - most people can't be bothered. We have to be strong enough to be able to talk about all our shit without getting into reactive, defensive mode. We ALL have baggage and we have to learn to talk about it and to look at it if we are to be able to leave it behind and walk to freedom together.

We go over this again and again and again with many, many people as we try to show them that we have to learn to focus on the task at hand even while our baggage is there because it is in the doing of Kindom, in the coming together and working for the healing of earth/nature/MAN that we learn to let go of everything that is preventing that healing.

The Matrix is an information highway of multiple millions of distractions that we have been educated to slip into and focus on until it becomes a habit that we practise and practise and practise until we become separated from our consciousness because we no longer sense it. Breaking this habit takes practise, practise, practise and more practise. Keep up your gardening - this is one way of breaking the practise!

You will learn to recognise when your head kicks in, the mud, the e-motion of pictures/"names" that occupy your focus becoming the blind spots that stop you being present to the living, because they themselves are not living - the mud has taken over. We see this all the time in the garden - people not being present to what they are doing, which is when the mistakes happen because people don't know where they are. The living MAN is no longer living at that moment because his/her consciousness is not in focus - the mud is.

Neither are they present to the consciousness of the plants, the soil, the worms, the microbes, etc. In the process of learning to being present, they start to notice that they have drifted off and, as they become more aware of these tendencies, they are amazed at how often they do it. Before we become aware of these habits, we do it all the time, totally unaware of the strength of this pull of satanic images that make us slaves and drones.

Kindom is about a living reality, not a dead one which is "The System" with all the e-motional baggage. Our consciousness needs to be present with the consciousness of all of life around us because there is no separation. All our thoughts should be coming from our consciousness to create the motions of our consciousness which is the dream that we live for in the life we live as MAN.

When we are present to the consciousness of sensory life forms that we are working with, we sense their purpose and their connection with everything and we would never do harm to this. Living MAN, living garden, living air, living soil, living creatures, etc, that is all our living, sensory consciousness. And we are present to the presence of that consciousness. There are no blind spots. It is when the mud kicks in that it all goes wrong.

When we let our heads drift off, the e-motional programs have kicked in and we are no longer in control; a man-made alien power has taken over and is dictating to us and ruling us.

"The System" is made up of "names". Tolle does not provide the big picture. He only provides Satanic images by association to a fictitious self, the "name". Victims to this Satanic treachery don't know how else to be. They think that the pictures they are thinking are who they really are but it is all make-believe, all mud, making up their whole system lives. My God, my saviour, my ascension, my money, my land, my, my, my, my, my............................................. Which is what "The System" is all about.

We are all broken down and divided by these images ("names") as in-divide-you-all (individuals), living for our e-motional programs (made up of "names"), and then given more system images ("names") to glue us all together as "one" - nation, country, state, principality, suburb, city, culture, religion, law, politics, education, entertainment, etc, etc, so that we can get on/live with each other bound by all the "names" of rules, regulations, rituals, conditions, procedures, contracts, etc, that we worship as "one". Paradise this ain't! Separation by "name" is not Paradise, is not freedom.

If you fully comprehend and sense/see where we are really coming from then you will see/sense that we have answered all your questions and so much more and that you can work everything else out in your unique original way without conflict = mud getting in the way.

When we have really woken up, nothing of the mud fazes us anymore, there is nothing to defend about who we are. We are not reactive to anything. All of our mud, warts and all, is all over the Love For Life website. We are not ashamed of this, or embarrassed. Others can learn from our mud if they wish and it all documents what we have gone through to get where we are now. We do not have e-motional attachments to any outcomes. If you want to work with us, great. If you decide you don't want to then it is no problem and we will keep doing what we are doing.

We are not going to allow e-motion to rule us because e-motion comes as passive aggressiveness, as power and control trips, as victim states, as injuries, as no responsibility, as complaints, as pride, anger, rage, depression, loneliness, wanting something from someone, all sorts of negative, destructive e-motions, including suicide. We cannot bring any of this stuff to Kindom. Our heads have to be clear of this shit. This is our gift to you and the best gift we have to offer. If you want to learn it, learn it, if you don't, don't. If you no longer want to like us, don't. It is up to you and we are not e-motionally attached either way.

To re-hash: the only place the Satanic world has power is in getting us to focus on the images they offer us. To depart from this hell, we have to be able to see the bigger picture so that we can see the way to navigate out forever more. When we wake up, we are ruthless to their world, we smash it brutally. This is why we say we come with a baseball bat - we show people their e-motional baggage because if they do not see it, they will not be able to let go of it. The baseball bat is confrontation, done with the best of intentions, to help people connect with their consciousness and see the mud for what it really is. How else are we going to return to paradise? And if we bring this stuff with us, there is no paradise, just a continuation of "The System" under another guise.

When we have really woken up, we have no e-motional attachment to "name", to Fiona, Arthur, Dana. We don't push away anyone when challenged, there is no abyss, no falling down into the raging fires of an e-motional hell. There is only consciousness and we can talk about anything with nothing personal coming in between. This is as empowering as it gets, which is why the Satanists/Freemasons do not want us coming together like this. They want us to come together through weakness, not strength. They want us to fake consciousness, fake truth, fake freedom, fake peace, fake our lives, etc........

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From Paradise to man-made, recorded hell......... taken from a FB post here:

The original language was the song of nature with all its sensations inspiring MANS direct-sensory-communication with all of life, the dream of life. With MAN being brought up by nature, all of MAN across Earth could/can talk with all of MAN. There was no break down in communication/comprehension/understanding as we find with alphabet languages (Russian) filtering other alphabet languages (English) or visa versa. The song of nature never required MAN to be educated/instructed into it as it was already built naturally into all of MAN.

Every sensory-life-form of nature/earth, inanimate or not, was already singing it. It seems this man-made Magyar language is the closest resemblance to the song of nature. It may have been part of the very early stage of MANS fall from sense into non-sense. Every MAN/sensory-life-form was meant to be unique and original, not one the same as the next, the song of nature expressing and demonstrating all the virtues of love & do no harm never compromised the perfection of MANS uniqueness and originality.

It was the intent behind man-made alphabet languages, all rooted in mathematics & geometry/sacred geometry, that corrupted and distorted the uniqueness and originality of MAN & Nature/Earth - enter sameness, uniformity, monotheism, "oneness", religion, law, government, myths, "gods", etc, etc, etc........ = "The System".

In present-sense, the song of life is the motion of creation in the act of creation..... a sound, a movement, an action,.... the breeze blowing through the trees, the sun glistening from the moisture resting on the leaves, the birds chirping on the branches, the insects crawling up the bark, the rabbit scratching near the tree trunk, etc, etc....

Every natural sound is coming directly from sensory-life-forms, inanimate or not. All the e-motions (e = ecclesiastical = programs/instructions/explanations/education for brain controlled drones/robots/slaves) are non-sensory pictures of non-existent sensory-life-forms unable to create a natural sound/song/action/movement/etc, to aid and expand the dream of life in rolling along here and now (so to speak).

All e-motions come from duped-MAN, a 3rd party, acting as an impostor of a sensory-life-form..... "the daffodil is yellow and does this and that and is part of this and that..... etc". The e-motions (storytelling) are not coming directly from sensory-life-forms. There is no living-sensory-direct-experience here. This is fraud, is lying and is duality being set into motion as a make-believe act of creation without any natural substance interacting with senses (touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see) to benefit and expand the dream of life (nature/earth/MAN/Reality).

All man-made alphabet languages, mathematics, geometry/sacred geometry are e-motions, man-made con-structs, con-cepts that are explanations about sensory life/life-forms without being life, without being sensory-life-forms. They have NO life. The living can't sense them as there is nothing of substance there. They can only be imagined as make-believe.

What you say here...... "Well, the language has travelled down through history with barely a scratch on it from pure sensory intuition to externalised unwritten spoken language & eventually mapped out to abstract symbol archetype form which intuitively suggested a sound to the voice box & then mapped after that into lettered form."......... is clearly showing the fraud because, as soon as we "map out" a sound, etc, we are acting as impostors of that natural sound.

It is no longer a unique original sound/song/motion/etc, unique and original in that unique and original moment/instant. It has been recorded unnaturally and requires re-presentation by a duped-MAN or a lying-MAN and thus is the education/instruction/explanation provided that disconnects believers from direct-sensory-experience in the moment.

The victims lost to such make-believe practices are trapped in duality.

The explanation has now become "The System" that has recorded the sound so that it can be explained. This is the basis of all education = brainwashing/braindirtying. Now we have a world of people lost in explanation, performing the e-motion and unable to have a direct sensory experience with sensory-life-forms, all the while nature/earth keeps creating natural sounds/motions/etc, instant by instant by instant. All those lost to e-motion are disconnected from nature and, inevitably, from who they really are.

All those lost to e-motion have to destroy/harm nature to artificially create the recording of the sounds they are mapping out = libraries, books, digital/electronic recordings, etc. This is all fiction, is anti-life, and is doing immense harm and destruction to Nature/Earth/MAN. We also have to destroy the uniqueness and originality of MAN so that duped-fallen-MAN can be trained to be the recorders and regurgitators of the artificially recorded sounds (images/pictures/thoughts).

It does not matter how far we go back down the yellow brick road, it still is the recorded yellow brick road leading the duped through fantasyland. To be unique, original MAN in present-sense, we have to give up everything of fantasyland ("The System") and return to direct-sensory-experience with nature/earth all-around. Being a carbon-copy will never equate to being unique and original, it will never set us free.

How can someone else's idea of a freedom be the song of our unique original freedom in present-sense? We can't have a direct sensory experience with someone else's idea of a freedom. We can ONLY experience freedom when we uniquely create and live and be that freedom in present-sense. All those lost in "The System" of freedom are NOT free. They are trapped in the e-motion of a freedom. This is NOT freedom.

Thought alone does not make a unique original MAN. A unique original MAN has to be created and set into motion in present sense to be that unique original MAN in the act of living and being and doing the natural life of the unique original MAN. This is the ONLY way we can avoid committing fraud and lying.

If a sound is not coming directly from a sensory life-form of nature/earth/celestial bodies then it is nothing or at best is a duped-fallen-lying-MAN acting as an impostor of that sound, that unique original life of that sensory-living-life-form.

We can unravel all the languages as much as we want but, until we are let go of all the non-sense and start living the remedy to "The System", we are only perpetuating "The System" of hell that we are all presently suffering under.

The way we see it, Stephen, is that we don't need all this learning and knowing and researching, etc, of Shamanic ways and language origins, etc, etc, etc. There is no exclusivity and privilege in the dream of life and, when we have all woken up, consciousness is available to all equally, not dependent on the level of someone's education, intellectual knowledge, initiation, etc. Our true heritage is our uniqueness and originality, not the indoctrination of education that we have been given. If we do not interfere, every cell is unique and original, every breath and every instant of everything is unique and original. "The System" is all about stopping that which is why you can eat Big Macs and buy jeans in just about every country in the world.

What we need to do is stop the brainwashing of the children, start repairing the damage we have all done to Earth/nature/MAN and learn to live again in ways that do no harm. THEN, when we have re-created the paradise we were dreamed to be part of, we will once again be singing our unique and original songs of life and all of the above won't matter, all the "learning" will be forgotten because we will be fully conscious of all the information of life offered by all the life forms of life through direct experience with those life forms in present sense, here and now.

Let's face it, babies have it more together than the rest of us - they are pure, sincere and ever-loving. Just imagine how we would be living if we were all like this. Do babies "improve" through education and initiation? Do any of us? Would original MAN have been improved by education and initiation, which is actually assimilation? Why do we doubt babies? And our children to the point where we feel we have to indoctrinate and assimilate them? The dogs too are pure sincere and ever-loving. We should be taking their example rather than diving into the system thought of such image power.

We are all unique and original and should be honouring each other's uniqueness and originality rather than trying to put people under the assimilation of image power, whether the assimilating images are of our making or ones that we have picked up from elsewhere. This is true freedom and honouring the free will of each of us to form our unique, original relationships with all of life. Free will is about not circumscribing another MAN and closing him/her in the confines of another's opinion/version of reality/version of anything. None of us need to be assimilated, which is what man-made alphabet languages are all about in "The System" = image power. This includes musical notation, theory, scales, recordings, etc.

We will know all that we need to know when we heal our relationship with earth/nature/MAN and walk away from everything of "The System" that we currently use.

We do not need to doubt our capabilities to heal that which needs to be healed, we do not need to have uncertainty that we have the power and ability to co-create the lives we dream of no matter whether we have assimilated system education or not.

Each bird, each tree, each seed, each grain of sand and drop of water is unique and original, and free of assimilation. The uniqueness and originality of all of Earth/Nature/MAN will continue forevermore never to be duplicated once we return to being who we really are. Grammar, syntax, etc, do not exist in paradise. When we wake up, there is no higher ground for anyone or anything.

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And to rehash an earlier post that shows how our belief systems rule us and keep us lost in the blind spots........

Lisa Marisa wrote:

No it's the gnostic elite and pagan Rome and their Jesuit soldiers that are the massive problem oh and not forgetting new age cults... And Rob Fry wrote: Yes I'm afraid our elite are gnostic luciferians as were the knights templars. Gnostic luciferianism is what has brought misery and suffering to the world since the time of the templars and the gnostics use lies and pseudoscience to push their new age cult religion to the world. Don't be duped into believing this stuff.

We replied..........

"The System" is a make-believe (storytelling) world of non-sensory-thoughts that are illusory, make-believe pictures/images and we (MAN) have free-will to set them into motion.

In "The System" of non-sensory images MAN is lost performing in the pantomime (storytelling) of non-sensory thoughts projected by others of MAN. Belief is a pantomime. Belief is NOT proof of fact, there is NO direct experience with sensory-living-life-forms of nature/reality going on.

Knights Templar is a non-sensory image,
Jesuit soldier is a non-sensory image,
Rome is a non-sensory image,
Gnosticism is a non-sensory image,
Luciferianism is a non-sensory image,
New Age is a non-sensory image,
Christianity is a non-sensory image,
The Bible is a non-sensory image,
a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, compass, square are non-sensory images,
etc,
etc.

Sitting inside Christianity and discussing Luciferianism is acting in one part of the pantomime (storytelling) and discussing another part of the pantomime (storytelling).

"The System" is the pantomime of make-believe set into motion by believers.

They are trapped in the prison of "The System" pantomime by their own belief because they are projecting the non-sensory-images of their belief and giving them power.

This is all fantasy, illusion and delusion.

Nowhere can you (MAN) go in nature to meet Christian, Luciferian, or Gnostic.

All you can find are men and women acting out these non-sensory images under the psychological "state" of a make-believe pantomime (conflict).

The conflict (re-presenting the storytelling) is ALL they have on offer.

This shows the depth of the lie and the fraud being committed.

Fallen MAN is lost and compelled to perform the conflict of a non-sensory image clashing with another non-sensory-image.

A fallen MAN is lost to non-sense, trapped in the hell/chaos of a make-believe (storytelling) pantomime.

Non-sensory images can't walk, talk, think, feel, poo, wee, negotiate, contract, contemplate, co-create life, etc, etc. Non-sensory images have no life/free-will/life-force-energy to set their "own" images into motion. They need duped-MAN to do this. Nothing of nature/reality (the living) needs non-sensory-images to exist so they may exist. Non-sensory-images do nothing to aid Earth/Nature/Life in rolling along here and now. They have no ancestors buried and no children playing. They have no physical/living location/address where you can visit them and be able to sit under a tree to have a bite to eat, a drink and many a laugh with them.

Non-Sensory images are dead-corpses requiring the living to perform everything for them.

Non-sensory images are Satanic/Freemasonic (MAN-made) in origin*.

Fallen-MAN has to destroy/alter sensory-living life-forms to create a physical-material image of a non-sensory-image which will always remain dead.

Satanism is the black-magic practiced craft of creating fairytales/fantasies and conning men, women and children into believing they are real and true. This belief leads them to accept the power and authority over them of all the men, women and children, under the costumes and titles of these make-believe characters performed in the fairytale, as being real, true and powerful too.

* Copied from here:

How The System Is Really Constructed
Bouncing Back Curses Upon Curse Makers

http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8504

"The System" is trauma based and everything of it is reaction to trauma, including all occults & esoterics such as Astrology, Numerology, alphabets, mathematics, geometry/sacred geometry, English, recorded his-story (history) and all con-structs ("Intellectual Property") formed out of them, all of which are derived from black-magic. The whole of the Freemasonic world/orders/etc, is crafted out of storytelling with the intention of conning men, women and children to fall under the spell of their Image Power, their storytelling.

As these spells are unnatural images that have no natural home to rest in the dream of life, no natural purpose. They have to be implanted into and maintained in us as alien-prisoners in our bodies where, as restless entities (demons), they affect our bodies, our brains, our thoughts, etc, distorting (hijacking/distracting) us from the MAN, the original purpose we are dreamt to be which is for each of us to be unique, original MAN with unique thoughts and dreams that benefit and expand the dream of life.

This distortion/corruption is at the heart of all trauma and the Freemasonic/Satanic world practices many rituals to maintain this unnatural state of trauma so that their spells have somewhere to "live" and have power and control over us so that we worship these non-sensory images at the cost of who we really are and what we are really part of.

This is also why the high-priests and high-priestesses of the Freemasonic/Satanic world conduct horrific ritual sacrifices so that we all sense the horror and the trauma through our connections with the water of MAN'S breath (life/consciousness) and remain locked in hell ("The System") to continue the vicious cycles of our reactions to trauma.

Storytelling is the means by which we are persuaded to fall under the spell of Image Power, of other men and women telling us how to think, feel and act so that we set into motion, through belief, faith and associated opinion, the reaction to trauma that are those "crafted" and "practiced" thoughts, feelings and actions that they want us to set into motion, thus creating the outcomes intended by the warlocks and witches of this black magic. This is true Satanism at work and this Satanic practice is at the backbone of "The System", bound to Freemasonry, which is the circulatory system (The Beast) of "The System".

The education system was invented to teach us how to understand the spells, want the spells and put all our life energy into their spells thus constructing the beast that is "The System" through the image power of their spells. The trauma kicks in in early childHOOD, as we teach our children about their world. The world is "The System" - Earth is not the world. All those who have been educated are the descendants of ancestors who were enslaved by the lackeys under the power and control of the black magic masters of "The System" of storytelling long ago.

Because Freemasonry is heavily rooted in storytelling, it is clearly rooted in Satanism. We say it is one and the same and, the hidden hands behind "The System" can be seen in plain sight through their storytellers doing their dirty work. We have been sharing this work for the last few years and it has been spreading like hotcakes. We have unraveled the brainwashing methods clearly and the methods expose those responsible. The people are waking up to the deception that has been forced upon them and soon fingers will be pointed at those responsible - be responsible for what you promote, if you don't want the fingers pointing at you!

The reason you were educated is so that you could fall under the spell of non-sensory images and be ruled by the master puppeteers hiding behind the curtains, pulling at your strings of belief. If you have been educated, you have been trained to give all your power away to them.

Rob says "Don't be duped into believing this stuff" - Rob, you have already been duped. And no, we don't ask anyone to believe what we say. Better they use their brains and work things out for themselves using logic and scrutiny. Those who are duped do whatever they can to keep others duped so they can remain duped in the pantomime of their choice.

Rob, you have accused us of being a cult but can't you see that you are the one in the cult? We promote no leaders and no followers, thinking things through and working things out in your own brains in your unique and original way. We tell people not to believe what we say but to scrutinise everything we say. How is this a cult? The cult that almost ALL men and women are trapped in is "The System" which is a massive cult filled with mini-cults such as the cult of Christianity that demands blind faith and that its members follow the teachings of the Bible and a God that they cannot prove exists without question - "permitted" questioning, yes, but not thorough, in-depth questioning.

We have known many people who were Christians but left the religion after they found that they were only allowed to question what they were being told so far. And who found that they were being manipulated into doing things by priests who would tell them that this was what God wanted them to do, even though there was never any direct experience with the God that supposedly wanted them to follow whatever course of action was being suggested to them. We encourage questioning and debate because this is how we all learn. If we cannot be completely frank with each other and prepared to question EVERYTHING that we have been taught, we remain ever lost to darkness.

Why do people get so defensive when we question their belief in Christianity? We cannot harm Christianity by questioning it because it is not a sensory, living life form. It has no senses to sense harm/pain. It is an idea and how can we harm an idea? What harm have we done by asking you to question your beliefs? Or should we only question them so far?

We suggest you read and contemplate on the discussion with Brother Gregory that covers this ground in great detail, as well as the other thread involving Lisa and you on Rod Frape's wall. If you are not willing to examine your beliefs, how are you ever going to know if they stand up and are really truth? We are showing how your beliefs do not stand up. We have given you clear evidence.

Reality occurs only in present sense. The truth is only present to us in present sense here and now. The sun shines only here and now in present sense, all MANS thoughts occur only in present sense. In present sense, here and now, you are slaves; you are not free. You are relying on images from the past that have been given to you by others to worship, and this is where all your power is, where all your life force energy has been directed.

You have no power in present sense, here and now. If you did, you would be living freedom and truth in present sense, here and now, not slaving away in "The System" of belief systems day in, day out. Everything in your life would come from the inspiration of your unique, original thoughts and dreams that you set into motion uniquely, but you are just a copy of what you have read and been educated into. This is what has happened to most of us.

The past and future would not appear to exist if there were not men and women present to remember and project them. Every instant is present sense. Every moment of the growth of a plant is in present sense but we have given this up for a fantasy that takes us over and makes us lose connection with the magnificence of nature in present sense, here and now. Every lie has a time code and while we are caught up in the lies of the past and the future, we are giving up our power, our real lives, faking who we really are and what we are really part of in present sense, here and now.

The Bible is in past tense because we are copying it, hence we are in past tense, not in present sense.This is why it is a lie, and we become fraudsters when we claim it is true because this past is not who we really are. We have borrowed it, giving up who we really are in present sense.

Your religion tells you that when you "die", you will leave all this man-made mess behind and ascend to be by the side of your God. Do you really think that this all powerful God is going to welcome you to heaven when you have contributed to the horrific mess that we have all created here on Earth? If heaven is really paradise, will God want you in there to wreak the same havoc you have created on Earth? Or will being at the side of your God somehow instantly make you into a perfect being that instantly gives up all his/her harm doing habits and does harm no longer?

Where is the free will in all this? How can your God trust you when you will not take full responsibility in this life in present sense for your thoughts, feelings and actions that set into motion a life of destruction of everything that this God created for you? Do you trust people who come into your home and wreak things? Would you trust them in a new house when they have wreaked the previous one?

15 September at 01:00

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Vicki Victoria

You mention to bring a baseball bat.....I reckon that's unaustralian...a 4-b-2 or a cricket bat is more appropriate.

16 September at 00:32

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Arthur Cristian

Do you have a spare one we can borrow?

16 September at 21:23

The Cristian Family November 2006

Welcome Into The Intel Makeup
Of A "Nice Guy"
Kemble Dawson Walker
Witness How This Scum Perculates
An Agenda Of Destruction

7th March 2015

Link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918/permalink/1436058153352...

Photos of Kemble: Where Are They Now: Former Hoot Model Signed with Red Citizen
http://www.hootmag.org/blog/2011/10/28/where-are-they-now-former-hoot-mo...

See: Can You Spot The Ego? Where's Wally? Part Two  Compilation of Facebook & Youtube Insights Posted by Arthur Cristian During August/Sept 2015  Part One: <a href=http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8573 Part Two: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8576 photo Kemble Walker_zpsp28b7u7m.jpg"/>

See: Can You Spot The Ego? Where's Wally? Part Two  Compilation of Facebook & Youtube Insights Posted by Arthur Cristian During August/Sept 2015  Part One: <a href=http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8573 Part Two: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8576 photo Kemble3_zpsqqfo6rca.jpeg"/>

2008 Sydney Morning Herald Article: Believe the hype, schoolies is a rite of passage
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/11/23/1227375062048.html
Kemble is a Sydney Grammar recruit.
Photo: http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af70/ILoveCasperTheGhost/Kemble6_zpsz...

Kemble's Facebook Wall (one of many): https://www.facebook.com/kembledawsonwalker

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Arthur Cristian

On Kemble Dawson Walker?'s Facebook Wall and in response to the Introduction To Kindom Video, he wrote to us late today saying.

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Kemble Dawsom Walker

Dear Arthur,

Thanks for sharing your work. I watched the first five minutes of the video and I've identified something that might be holding back the dream from materialising. I figured I had to address this first before watching the end of the video.

I see you both have done a lot of research about the intricacies of "the system", and know a lot of things that are based in fact. However, I do not think every person needs to be totally aware, or even agree with these facts as explicitly as you state them.

If someone has even the vaguest intention to live more healthily, care for the Earth, or raise happy children, that is an indication that their soul is rejecting the system. It is something to work with positively, the beginning of a conversation about happy family life, love between parents, and self-sufficiency in Nature.

You have created an enormous amount of theoretical content which evidently resonates with people. I think the way to get things moving in the real world will be to actually create a demonstration of your values in living material. Beauty, harmony, gentleness and grace all help our injured souls have a much-needed rest.

For example, much of the information you're elaborately articulating can be encapsulated in a split second by a complex of feelings—like the revulsion and nausea one feels returning to the CBD after a weekend in a blissful rural oasis.

My singular focus is to Create a corner of Paradise, so people can see for themselves how life ought to be. Their consciousness is changed, and they can no longer live how they used to. The whole system organically disappears at precisely the rate that people are ready to change, according to their own Inspiration, not the exhortations of others.

The current block at the level of society and politics is access to land—and I assure you this question is my primary purpose at the moment. The prosperity of our Nation depends entirely on our willingness to allocate and sensitively tend to our Natural lands.

In the future, there is already a Government department for Love in Families, which is responsible for officiating permanently sustainable village settlements on underused Australian land. Philanthropists and land-owners, too, have opened their spaces to willing villagers. Needless to say, there was no test for eligibility. One's sense of friendly competition meant that each family strove to create the most splendid garden in the village, and regular celebrations—circle dancing, celestial gatherings, etc.—made sure that every one was included. There, too, the young ones met and found their soul mates.

All of these events will come to pass. They are here to stay. Our only choice is whether they happen next year, or in two hundred or three hundred years' time. Honestly, I do not like being second best. I really do not want Australia to fall behind the rest of the world in this regard.

Here's my news for you—In the last week, my father has offered to pay for the rent on a piece of rural land in the Southern Highlands so I can get started in the country. It will be a place to grow food, supply my Sydney market stall, and to get to know the community.

Most important, my time will become a permanent vision council on How to provide Permanent Dwelling Land with the utmost expediency to those who desire to tend to the Earth, Create their family homes, and perfect our marvelous planet.

This is my singular focus for the year of 2015, and I devote my entire energy towards it. It is the moment-by-moment activity of my constant meditation, and this activity will greatly increase in speed and power as I spend less and less time thinking about sustenance, shelter and finding my soul mate.

I appreciate your work and I acknowledge the truths you have uncovered. Now let's find ways to communicate this information as fast as possible—condensed feelings.

I chose Courage and purity as my themes this year—grace and beauty are featuring, too.

Kind regards,

Kemble.

3 hrs

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We replied............

Arthur Cristian

We resonate with your sentiments and aspirations Kemble.

Being caretakers, custodians, stewards of a Kindom Motherland where many kin-domains come to fruition, we are fully responsible to make sure that the Motherland and the kin-domains remain as they were originally intended to be and not to be undermined, hijacked and severely corrupted, which is what has happened across Earth to all types of good-hearted "alternative" community projects for "hundreds" of years.

Also, devastation has happened to tens of thousands of motherlands of almost every native tribe of MAN across-earth since invasion began long ago. We are all the descendants of these invaded tribes who experienced rape, pillage, plunder, abuse, ridicule, torment, humiliation, lies, deceit, torture, enslavement, murder and most encountered genocide one way or another along-the-way.

99.99% of MAN across-earth no longer lives amongst original ancestral lands. A fair bit is under water/oceans.

And the brutal FORCE behind the invaders still remains completely in tact today and is readily available to be used by the descendants of the invaders who trained their children to maintain power and control over all their generational captive slaves.

With us, we are not intimidated or in fear of such power still being in the hands of a tiny few, instead we are realists following due diligence, which means we refuse to rush in to create a Kindom until the wisdom of the big picture has fully matured. Patience, patience, patience is paramount, providing sufficient breathing space for the big-picture-dream of Kindom to unfold naturally. There are many ancestors involved as part of this living Kindom team effort and we work with many of them. We listen to their wisdom, the insights.

To the blood-line descendants of the invaders, creating Kindoms is seen as an act of war against them, a perceived threat with the intent to undermine their power and control. They really believe they are the Gods of MAN, that they and their people are the chosen ones.

These people will not go away without a major fight.

They do not want a precedence to be set in place that ends "The System" where they gain all their power and control.

To suit their long and short term objectives, they must always control all political outcomes, this includes the law.

To protect their long and short term interests, they have a large intelligence network in place and it is operating 24/7 throughout all aspects of "The System". There is enough of them to be all around at all times. Things are NOT what they seem.

The intelligence gathering is used to destroy all opposition to their power structures. They destroy in whatever way they choose before a movement of men, women and children can manifest the capacity to destroy their power base which happens when a mass exodus from "The System" (prisons) eventuates, never to return. .

They use agents of infiltration and sabotage. Many come as friends talking the same alternative, Kindom, oneness, love, do no harm mantras and they are packaged to look the part too. They also use the law, politics, poisons, drugs, toxins, brainwashing methods, police, sheriffs, governMENt agencies, armies, navies, air-forces, etc, etc, etc, etc, as weapons to cripple, weaken and destroy their perceived enemies. And they are ruthless. They DO NOT muck around.

Through the gradualism of controlled opposition, they are known to spend hundreds of years completely absorbing the lives of those who lived and spread the walk-the-talk message of true freedom, peace, joy, abundance, truth, etc, for all, so they can completely hijack, distort and alter the historical records/memories of such events.

You know what is going on as you see the stories of people being punished for growing food, etc, and what is happening among the Rainbow movement, where the peaceful intentions are being ruined by drug and alcohol use and violence, much of which is probably started by infiltrators. All good intentions forming do no harm groups have to be infiltrated to create unpleasant environments that scares many people off. Leaving a bad taste for everyone is very effective. This happens in social media too. We experienced such an attempt but it failed... as usual.

MANS Creation, living-creator, has a natural way of dealing with this turning away from the dream of life and we must attune to the pulse of these intentions so that we are part of the coordination/team-effort, making sure that all the man-power resources are in place, that the strategies are all in place and that we are skilled in being able to use senses to zoom in to the fine details of any aspect of Kindom or of "The System" allowing us to be conscious of not allowing either or to cross over and merge with the other.

Do you realise why we talk so much about the intricacies of "The System"? It is because we have realised that, unless we are very, very clear in just how we have been brainwashed and how that brainwashing affects how we think, feel and behave, as in wearing rose coloured glasses, we will never shake off our system shackles. The brainwashing of "The System" is designed to keep us in "The System" which is why so many well-intentioned communities fail; unknowingly, those in the community bring "The System" with them and therefore never break away from "The System".

A Kindom has nothing to do with "The System" and "The System" has nothing to do with Kindom. There is no meeting point. The mud-room we talk about is a transition place - it is not Kindom. It is a learning place where we shake off our system brainwashing so that, when we spread out to Kin Domains, we have already left our system brainwashing behind. Money ends at the mud room.

To be conscious MAN is to not use money and have nothing to do with "The System". If we still want money or anything else of "The System", then we have to keep brainwashing our children so that they can be prepared to take on the educated-slave roles needed for "The System" to continue. Which children shall we mark with an X to be put forward for more brainwashing? Are you willing to do this so that you can still have money?

Kindom is a TOTAL change in our thinking. It is ALL about FULL-RESPONSIBILITY = magnificent-MAN, and not limited responsibility/liability = weak and needy less-than-magnificent MAN = slaves.

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An extract from this post...........

The Psyop Program Behind Free Food
And Permaculture

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
29th October 2014
Facebook discussion with Unconditional Love Moon
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8544

We Can't Create Paradise By Destroying Paradise

This is Fiona and Arthur Cristian writing here.

We stand-for more than 96% of MANS population all across Earth. All are deeply brainwashed and trapped in "The System" with no way out. They are heavily infected with doubt, uncertainty, fear/trauma, confusion and are being misled by lies that are beyond most peoples present comprehension.

We realise that we need to take simple, achievable steps where we are to fix the problems that we have been party to where we are. This is why we have not gone to some pristine bush and started wrecking it while we still need to learn how to live in pristine bush without doing harm and without bringing all our system needs and baggage with us.

It is not the pristine bush that we should be setting up our Kindoms in: it is all the land destroyed by agriculture and animal husbandry that needs our care to re-create the soil biology, plant trees, shrubs, etc. We should be leaving the pristine bush to stay pristine until we know how not to destroy it. Presently, we are all destruction robots as we destroy and destroy with practically everything we do in our system lives. Running off to the bush means we are not taking any responsibility for the mess we have all created, supported and condoned while living as "system consumer drones".

It is the suburbs that we need to be re-greening. Paradise is between the ears, just as "The System" is between the ears. It is our do no harm life is a gift attitude that creates paradise where we are, here and now, as we take the gradual simple steps that we need to learn how not to destroy our body that is Earth. We are already on land. For most of us, wherever we live right now, we are on land. And no land is more sacred or special than the rest. The suburbs, cities, highways and byways are land, once part of a living paradise.

If you have a sick body, you heal it, not run away from the body and leave it to rot. You confront the sickness with the full power of your intention to heal. This is very different to reacting to trauma/e-motion and running away to the bush. Doing this does nothing to confront "The System" and change it from within and get rid of it, which is what we do when we change our attitudes and the way we live right here and now where we are and spread it out from there. You can't run away from Rome and Babylon and think they are going to go away- you go to the heart of Rome and Babylon and change them from inside.

While there are billions of people worshipping "The System" everyday and living their lives for "The System", "The System" goes on, fed by their life force energy and their compliance, acquiescence, e-motion/reactions to trauma.

IMAGE POWER
Superb Diamond Range Interviewing
Arthur & Fiona Cristian 4th February 2014
http://youtu.be/qFnuuw3kLog

We have to inspire people all through "The System" to walk away from "The System" and start the healing process, changing suburbs back to living paradises, which was what was there before the suburbs. The healing process starts with our do no harm life is a gift attitudes, as we create paradise in our lives here and now with what we have here and now with those around us here and now.

All the yogis sitting on their mountains and all the explained spirituality, consciousness and freedom out there is fake and false and is doing nothing to heal Earth, MAN, etc. Having anything explained to you/us about spirituality, consciousness and freedom is not spirituality, consciousness and freedom. It is fake and fraudulent. Sitting on a yoga mat and thinking peace does nothing. Creating peace is a doing thing, a way of thought set into motion in every day practical sense, a way of everyday life that occurs as more and more of us devote our lives to healing Earth and to moving away from "The System" of consuming and destroying Earth and MAN. This is a quiet, peaceful, non-running-away shift that is all about giving up self-centredness, surrendering to life is a gift and do no harm, and doing the hard work necessary to create it. Freedom will not fall in our laps; we have to create it in the lives of those around us so that we can have it too.

Most importantly, it is the relationships between MAN and MAN that need to be healed which comes about when we re-connect with who we really are which impacts on our relationships with those around us and with Earth/nature. We have come to realise that we do not need acres, bush, waterfalls, etc, to do this. We do this by caring for each other, sharing what we have to share and letting go of our fear of each other and of our doubt, uncertainty and distrust of each other that has us need the system glue to keep us all in some form of unnatural, man-made order. We have written about this in great detail. Running off to the pristine bush is a greedy and selfish act and is a reaction to "The System". Reacting to something does nothing to change it; it only feeds it. When we create an "us and them" situation, we are still giving our energy to "them".

"The System" is created out of trauma and reaction to trauma which is all about the pull of e-motion that is a spell of many spells. This is what has to be healed, otherwise nothing changes."The System" is still amongst us.

People are being misled when they are encouraged to leave it all behind and go bush because they are not being told that a true Kindom will only succeed when we no longer bring "The System" to Kindom. As soon as we do this, we are destroying paradise. There is no doubt that some people can and do live lightly in the bush but they are very few and far between. Because of extensive brainwashing with e-motion programs, most people are still trained to need "The System" and do not know how to live in the bush. They are unconscious with deeply addled brains and bodies. Most who try, eventually return to system life and many relationships fail as the daily grind takes its toll. Those communities that do continue are still locked in "The System" with no way out.

Most people only know how to live under limited liability and have no idea how to take full responsibility for their real lives. Their whole lives have been all about everything being explained to them, through "name" and by "name". They have no idea of what it really takes to not only live in the bush but also to live peacefully with each other without ego battles, disfunctional relationships, etc. This is why lots of people going to large acreages in the bush is not a remedy. They will still be caught with their pants down when "The System" crashes and services collapse leading to chaos, social/civil unrest, war, etc. This is exactly what those of "The System" want because then, when they usher in their NWO remedy, everyone will be on their knees and will accept gratefully, not realising that they are enslaving their lives even more deeply than before.

Those who try to start communities while they are unaware of the full responsibilities of doing so will take all their system thoughts, attitudes and belongings that are e-motion (psyop) programs, etc, with them. Very few communities that start with good intentions of peace and truth survive because of exactly this. Arthur has been exposed to many, many communities since the early 70s. None of them have thrived and nothing has really changed despite people dreaming for freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, for a millennium. They were all slaves or educated slaves, just as the current generations around us today are. What makes this generation different to those before?

Every generation dreams for this but they get worn out. Every generation tries to change things but nothing really changes. Why? Because the problem is greater than most people take the waking life to comprehend and cannot be found in books, on YouTube, etc. The real truth is nowhere to be found in system media. The pied pipers of "The System" would love us all to run off to the bush and fail and destroy more of Earth.

What they do not want us doing is to start, here and now, to fix up the mess around us, to start creating real, bonded relationships (not dependent on race, culture, creed, cult, sect) with those around us, to grow food so that we can start the steps towards independence from "The System", learning not to have things explained to us, to think and dream unique lives of do no harm and life is a gift.

They need us to want "The System" and to want them. "The System" is highly addictive and people who try to leave it usually find that the pull of system life is too strong for them to resist, added to the fact that they miss their families and friends who probably don't comprehend what they are doing and why. The Stockholm Syndrome is far more powerful than most people realise.

For many people, it is very hard to just go bush; they have families and many responsibilities and cannot just walk away without a huge upheaval. The extent of our compromised state is vast.

Doubt, uncertainty, distrust and fear are very strong, which is why we offer a remedy that is all about taking small steps as fast as possible towards a simple remedy that will take care of the bigger steps. BUT, it will not happen without hard work and lots of it. Going from slavery to no slavery, from limited liability to full responsibility, from sucking on the nipples of the private corporations (hand outs) to creating everything of food, shelter, water, community, is daunting and seen as "Utopia", meaning that it is always at arms length and "can't be done".

There are many INTEL operatives out there, promoting what seems to be the right message and, often very closely aligned with what we stand for, but the real agenda, down-the-line, is to keep us in "The System". Once we realise that they are INTEL operations, we disassociate from their white anting, white washing tactics because we do not want the Love For Life work, our real lives and what we live and stand for, to be associated with their mantras and thus be caught up in the fall-out, which is just what they want.

Those behind "The System" love to set things up, such as a "movement" or a "leader" and then smash them down so that we lose hope and everyone's remedy dreams are smashed in their faces and "The System" seems to be the only option we have, offered to us by those who smashed our dreams.

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
27th February 2013 onwards...
Part One: http://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao

Love For Life is not a movement or a cult. There are no leaders or followers. It is all about the inspiration and passion to live do no harm, life is a gift lives that heal Earth and, by doing so, inspire others to take full responsibility for their lives too. When we all take full responsibility for creating paradise in the lives of those around us, then we all live in Paradise. Each of us is Paradise, not reliant on someone else. If we each take full responsibility for being Paradise then that is what we experience and what those around us experience. We make it happen in our lives, in present sense, regardless, and spread that around by walking-the-talk.

Growing food and giving it away to the community for free is a wonderful inspiration that comes from good intentions and is close to our hearts. However, we realise that trying to set up community without a full grasp of the bigger picture of what it takes and without the commitment, passion and drive to confront all the issues, lies and deceptions that stop it from being successful forever more, the community will not be anything more than an alternative lifestyle community within "The System", of which there are many. This is not freedom, it is fantasy, which is why we will not be party to it.

Giving food for free is part of the remedy but it is not the remedy. We state this just as we stated that we disassociate from Kate of Gaia because, for many years, he was using our 2005/2006 onwards work about the "name" without talking about the remedy, which is our main focus. Letting go of the "name" without a remedy in place is dangerous for those who let it go and for those around them. Just as talking about giving up the "name" without a remedy in place does nothing, neither does growing food and giving it away, or carving a community out of a beautiful piece of bush without awareness of the bigger picture of system thought control that is a psyops program built around reactions to trauma.

A Disassociation From The Work
Of Kate of Gaia

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 17th May 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8517

Following the work of Kate of Gaia will only lead to civil war, chaos, us against them, us against "The System", etc. There is always an opposition, a foe. All most people in the freedom/truth movement offer is conflict because they haven't pulled away from "The System" to take full responsibility for their lives here and now. They are stuck. Most people don't even know how to work hard when they are not being paid for it and most are so bewitched by the distractions of "The System" that they cannot be counted on. We have found many people unwilling to accept free food, even when they are told that it will only be going in the compost otherwise, because they think we want something in return, or that there will be complications down the line, when all we want in return is the joy of giving what we have grown! The fear and distrust between us is immense.

There are many INTEL operatives leading towards chaos (no forevermore remedy) so they can push their agendas through to the next level to the point where everyone accepts their masters NWO remedy with open arms. This is why there are so many people appearing to be "on our side" when they are really intel operatives leading us all to the chaos before the NWO that is "The System" under another guise.

We realise that the priority is to leave "The System". Once we have achieved that, we can begin to contemplate on how things were before "The System" came along to enslave our ancestors. While we have a foe, we are blaming someone else for how we live our lives. We do not want to leave "The System" as a legacy for our children. The buck stops with us. We are still deeply compromised but this does not stop us completely leaving "The System" in this life, never to return.

We are very busy with the food forest vege garden just now but thought we would write something as this is a new FB wall. For those who would like to read about the themes touched on in more detail, there is a Love For Life Sequential Order of videos, articles, debates and discussions on the home page of the Love for Life website. http://www.loveforlife.com.au Scroll down to find it. There is a remedy section to be found there too, which is our priority. It can also be found at the bottom of many comments/articles posted on the Facebook wall.

The Steps Of Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life 2006/2007
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8304

continued here: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8544

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Dana Clark

"Sitting on a yoga mat and thinking peace does nothing."

Precisely! What a con all their New Age mumbo jumbo is to produce complacency in the populace.

8 March at 03:24

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Kemble Dawson Walker

Dear Arthur,

Again this is a huge amount of information, and you evidently have readers that like reading it, so that's great.

I read the first bit, then scanned the rest backwards. I chose not to read the whole thing through because you make the shadowy occult forces seem so powerful and enigmatic—I prefer not to reproduce these thought-waves in my own mind, so I didn't follow your train of thought there.

Government intelligence agencies and psychic operations all exist. Yet, I do not think these people are so strong, devious, intelligent and quick-thinking as you say. Being aware of my own Creative power, I think the following:—

The combined force of every occult organisation is unable to overcome even a single soul inspired by the energy of Love.

There is the small council of high priests who rule the entire population of the globe. They are not in a position either to support or resist this move. They know they have lost crucial information on how to life properly on the Earth. Now they watch with bated breath and great anticipation—like God Himself—as we Create our corners of Paradise and rediscover how to live in permanent harmonious stability—a world where each person can communicate directly with God.

All that remains is to spread the news and demonstrate this new life to the middle managers who are still operating on the old programs.

I still think you are over-emphasising the need for purity before settling on the land. My experience of urban life is that purity is impossible while living in an artificial house, working as an employee, breathing car exhaust, etc. It's impossible to be totally pure before beginning to create our family home garden farms—they are what will purify us.

It's a generational process. This body has scars that will not be healed this lifetime. So my primary purpose is to Create a living home for my children, where they have complete Freedom of Thought. Without having to work, worry or strain to survive, they will be able to think more clearly about how to bring Paradise on earth, and further perfect the land for their own children.

I notice many people holding back because everything is not yet perfect. For me, perfection is what each generation strives to give to the next one. Since I return continuously in my own family line, I am not in a particular hurry—this life already exists in the future.

Yet I don't chant mantras or Hail Mary to pass the time. If I am bored and restless, it's an indication to bring this dream to the next level of material reality.

The Earth is ready for Family Homesteads to start appearing—even one at a time, it doesn't matter. Every pair of hands which caresses the surface of the Earth is another Creative move. And if even one child is conceived and born in the purity of True Love, he will bring great joy to all who contemplate him.

This is my perspective.

In eager anticipation of more tangible, material collaboration in the future,

In appreciation of your dedication,

Yours most sincerely,

Kemble.

8 March at 09:30

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Dana Clark

My perspective on some of what you've said is perhaps different than yours, but I liked your comment Kemble because I really, really like how well-spoken, courteous, and sincere you are and your heart is most definitely in the right place.

I'm really glad you are with us in our group here.

8 March at 09:44

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Scott Andrews

Kemble, sounds like you take the ringing cedar series as gospel and have studied them through and through in order to live your life, perhaps even to connect with a certain type of person for your own agenda. Everything you speak of comes directly from those stories, and it seems you have only filled your head with a story to live your life by, rather than first hand experiences.

Have read these series about 10 times threw now; just finishing Anasta again last night, in order to decipher truth from fantasy, and it seems you are merely copying word for word bits and pieces of them, but throwing your own twist into them. Like your opinion of the priests ruling the world, even though in the books it clearly mentions they have given up all attempts to control Man, but realize the beast of the system they created is far beyond their power to stop now as it has taken a life of its own.

THIS IS THE BEAST/SYSTEM Arthur and Fiona are addressing, and it has roots deep into every Man alive. To ignore the system and skip past onto getting land to be self sufficient is foolish.

When you first replied to Arthur and Fiona about the video, you claimed that you watched 5 minutes than stopped to type your message. Imagine yourself sitting in a circle with a group of elders, and a couple of them are trying to convey wisdom and truth, but instead of listening intently, you cut them off and decide you do not like how they started, and tell them they should do it differently in order to make you like it better. This is quite insulting to the Man that they are. If you are going to formulate an opinion of someones work and heart felt message and the truth that they stand by, you could at very least hear them out, gather your thoughts and than formulate a heart felt expression based on how the WHOLE message makes you feel.

Now you say about their reply "I read the first bit, then scanned the rest backwards. I chose not to read the whole thing through"
You are coming across to me as a man who lives solely for himself, and cast away everything that everyone says as useless because it does not conform to how you think life should be.

Am not quite sure yet if your heart is in the right place, as it seems you are quite careless about connecting to other Man who are unique and different than you. So much so that you insult them by ignoring them.

And frankly if you think ignoring the system and living in love is going to make everything beautiful again...well you are in for a surprise brother.

One Man not got at by the system living in love, yeah perhaps they could have a good go at life and ignore the system. But there are only a hand full of Man on earth at the moment who live completely connected to life, and know what true unconditional love for life is. And from your intentions thus far, your love has many conditions.

8 March at 12:15

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Arthur Cristian

Kemble, the whole of the Love For Life work since March 2005 has always been about nothing of the dark-side of MANS fallen state having power over us, that we, MAN, are far far far far far greater than all of this and it shows in how we walk-the-talk living and being the living example of a co-creator of a living paradise in present sense, despite our system damage and lack of purity. We never say that we have to be pure to begin.

If you are not reading and watching what we say, you obviously won't know what we are really talking about. Of course you don't have to but, please don't re-present what we are saying when you have not taken the time to listen and read. Most of what you are implying about the Love For Life Kindom work is nowhere to be found in our work. This means that people reading what you have to say about the Love For Life Kindom work are getting the wrong impression about where we are coming from and what we talk about.

We are all for others scrutinising what we say but, if you would like to scrutinise and point out where you think we are wrong, or missing something, you need to actually scrutinise, which means reading and watching all of what we have to say and then coming back to us with your thoughts. Currently it seems that you are reading and watching a few little bits and then placing your assumptions about us and our work on top of what you have taken in. Fiona is involved in this work too, a fact that you do not recognise. She has been involved in all this correspondence with you, and she is here now too.

Can you point out where we overemphasise purity? Or, if you look at the work, will you find example after example of us encouraging people to start doing what they can with what they have and with anyone around them who also feels inspired to do this, and that so much of our healing comes in the doing, the growing of the food forests and the interaction with others similarly inspired? You wouldn't know, would you, because you are not reading and listening to what we are saying?

Remember that we have been doing this work intensely for nearly 10 years and have had experience dealing with many, many different people, many of whom have had their lives completely destroyed by the force of "The System", through no fault of their own. Having also experienced the force of "The System" in our lives, we have long ago dispensed with the rose-coloured glasses when it comes to the brutality and absolute mercilessness of those operating the enforcement wheel of "The System". Does this mean that we cannot come together and create Kindoms anyway? Of course not, and there is nowhere that we say this.

This ten years of intense scrutiny and debate about everything going wrong in the way we are living, also means that we have put everything we say very thoroughly to the test. The words we use are not chosen lightly. You seem to have very little respect for what we have built up over this period. Again, of course you do not have to read and listen to what we say if you don't want to, but why are you passing judgement and making assumptions that you are putting in the public domain, if you haven't done so? Better surely to say, "I haven't read their work because I am more interested in what I am creating so I can't comment on what they say." This way, you can be sure that you are not mis-leading others through your assumptions, and discrediting and undermining the credibility of those whose work you are passing judgement on without first scrutinising it. We stand for full-disclosure. How about you?

Taking the steps to walk-the-talk is far far far far far different than just thinking and e-motionally reacting to what others tell you how to think, feel and act that come out of books, videos, conversations, sermons, brainwashing from educators, teachers, experts, etc, etc.... because then there is no living consciousness of MAN created as the living standing of a kindom dream the MAN dreams for.

The illusion of duality that are the echoes of the thoughts, ideas and e-motions of another man/woman/child bouncing to and fro between the ears is what we shatter because then we, Fiona & Arthur Cristian, don't end up accepting a make-believe world of storytellers who talk about generosity, consciousness, do no harm, non-self-centeredness, non-exclusivity, non-privileged-standings & benefits and services, etc, etc, and freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, no loss of uniqueness and originality, no slaves and rulers, etc, etc..... without actually being/living that consciousness, that walk-the-talk of all the virtues of love set into motion as that living example of no ownership of land, of do no harm, joy, abundance, life is a gift, etc, etc.... meaning we are not accepting selfish and greedy men and women lost to the storytelling of a fake reality and ONLY living for what is in it for them.

Again, Kemble, we say this from vast experience of men and women talking, talking, talking about sharing, working hard for community, love, peace, joy, etc, but actually DOING nothing about it. If we do not confront our e-motional ties to "The System" that has led us to being almost totally self centred about nearly every aspect of our lives, then we will never walk away from "The System".

We come from generations of slaves and have therefore been indoctrinated into thinking like slaves. Yes, you too. To be free men and women on the land, we have to learn to think, feel and act like free men and women on the land. Yes, part of the de-programming happens in the doing but we still have to be vigilant about where our slave mentality is over-riding our intentions to be free.

There is a whole world of people out there, many of them young people, who are totally in their heads, full of good ideas and intentions but totally unable to put them into practise and, therefore, often falling into being dis-honourable because, instead of welcoming others who are different from them into their lives and seeing how they can co-create with them, they push them aside, without checking to see if there is something valuable to be learned from them.

We have learned so much from so many amazing men and women along the way and the real gems often come from those you least expect them to come from. Sometimes 99% of what someone says can be BS, but then they come out with something that is such a gem that it makes you change the way you look at things. Maintaining the humility to remember that there is something to be learned from everyone and that we are no better than anyone else, despite the fact that we might be living more "perfectly" than others, is vital to learning unconditional love.

You want to grow clean food for people and encourage them to grow food and co-create Kindoms. Very admirable. But does it make you better than the junkie on the street, stealing to get the money for his next fix? It does not. Who knows what trauma led the man to become a junkie and who knows how you might have come out if you had had the same trauma? This is why Kindom is about letting go of judgement, letting go of thinking we are better than someone else because we are living a "purer" life. We have come across this attitude from many, and often from people who are not actually DOING anything to change the way they are living or about the mess we are ALL creating across Earth, here and now, moment by moment while we still live our system lives.

While your intentions may be good, Kemble, all you are really offering here is arrogance and controversy. You have good intentions but a lot to learn. Don't be afraid of humility and respect.

BTW - just a thought. You say that your father is willing to rent some land in the Southern Highlands for you to grow veges for your projects in Sydney. Great news but why the Southern Highlands? From experience, the frosts make growing many things hard in winter, unless you have a big hot-house. Frosts can come as early as April and as late as the first couple of weeks in December. There are many suitable, warmer places for growing food much closer to Sydney such as the Picton, Camden area, or around Windsor. Rent will probably be no more expensive. Then you are much closer to what you are doing in Sydney and will have much shorter travel times, up to an hour shorter both ways, and cheaper petrol and car costs, etc.

Another BTW - you seem to have a complaint about the amount we write - "Again, this is a huge amount of information" - and yet the 10 of The Ringing Cedars books are much, much longer than what we have shared here. They are the Mount Everest to the shrub at the bottom that are the couple of posts you complain about.

Fiona and Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

8 March at 20:44

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Vicki Victoria

Kemble....you say that you didn't read Arthur's reply but scanned and went backwards? I'm a bit gobsmacked over that....gosh...picture Mr Spock with raised eyebrow (back the front and upside down if you like).

8 March at 13:28

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It has been interesting to notice how a stranger, Kemble, comes in third party performing claims as if they are the claims of Arthur & Fiona Cristian. Kemble is blatantly making out that these claims are coming from our intentions, from our characters, lives, attitudes, values, etc, when the fact is these claims have all been made up out of thin air by Kemble.

He talks about the Love For Life work as though he has some sort of authority to back what he is saying, all the while admitting that he has barely read anything and most of that backwards, and listened to only five minutes of a video, and yet this has had a powerful affect on a few people in terms of igniting the doubt and uncertainty that they still carry about who they are and their dreams.

It is all in the intention; he has never lived with us, or had previous dealings with us and has never been harmed by us but, after one chat over the phone and the above, he is fobbing us off, dredging up lots of e-motion derived from his intellect that has no living connection with us, acting as though he has credibility when he has nothing to back his claims, as can be seen by the claims he makes about the Love For Life work which have nothing to do with the Love For Life work. What is the intention here? Where is the good will and the integrity?

We have to be very smart and watch out for all the subtle, psychological, e-motional attacks (psyop programs) that come from anyone attempting to impersonate us by acting out destructive e-motional routines in and of them as a result of them being exposed to our work/writings/videos/etc, and notice how those reading their words become e-motionally affected by them, to the point where they begin to doubt the Love For Life work, Arthur and Fiona, and their own ability to keep their dreams. It is as though the performance of the claimer mirrors and is mirrored in those reading the words and allowing them to affect them. Or like watching a horror movie but the horror depicted in the movie is just a mirror of the trauma of those watching the movie.

What is happening here is an attempt to crucify us and the work we do and the fear is felt by those watching the crucifixion who then think that what they were looking to for inspiration and guidance perhaps isn't what they thought it was. They doubt the inspirations that led them to the Love For Life work in the first place, which means that they are doubting who they are and their ability to connect with what they need to connect with to fulfil their dreams.

We never put those e-motions, pain, suffering, doubt, uncertainty, anger, rage, etc, etc, in those experiencing these e-motions. It was already there before they met us.

The trauma is a monkey on their back that follows them around wherever they may go. This is what MUST be overcome if we are to come to Kindom. All the trauma coming up for them is the trauma that has been messing them over for a very long time now, well before we ever came into their lives.

We are NOT responsible for anyone's trauma. What we are all responsible for is helping and inspiring each other to rise above the trauma.

There are NO VICTIMS involved in Kindom, Love For Life Do No Harm Community Dreams, etc.

Look at what has happened in this thread - we have some who have been so affected by the mis-interpretation of the Love For Life work by others who have not bothered to learn anything about it, that they are beginning to doubt their own thoughts and feelings about Love For Life. This is all their trauma. If they were strong and clear in who they were and what they stood for, they would not allow this stuff to sway them.

This is why the intel networks bother to send their operatives in to groups such as these; they know how powerful they can be in creating doubt, uncertainty, chaos, discord, etc, and why, since December 2006, we have had so many of them coming at us on the Love For Life website and Facebook walls.

This is what we have to be vigilant about.

We have also noticed over the years how operatives offer carrots, suggestions, and sometimes downright offers of land, money, etc, only to then remove them. The intention for this is obviously to weaken us, to have us be buoyed up with hopes only to have them dashed. This torment has been repeated again and again.

Fortunately we learnt this technique years ago and it does not affect us but it can still affect those around us who have not yet learnt not to count any chickens before they are hatched. The Freemasonic networks are always at war with MAN because they do not want anyone waking up and walking away to freedom.

It's all in the intent. Honour the uniqueness and originality of everyone and revere that. Trying to change others is how "The System" works. We all have free will = full-responsibility. We are not rescuers or saviours of anyone. We radiate the light for others but we do not claim exclusivity and privileges over the light nor do we try to change how others radiate their light. Again, it is all in the intent. People come to Kindom and do what they do for Kindom because they want to, not because we say they should. There is no gun at anyone's head.

So what is the intention of those who come into the group casting aspersions about Love For Life, and particularly Arthur, having learnt very little about it? Why would anyone do that? Look for the intent. Notice how Kemble writes as though there is nothing dark to worry about and yet look at the stuff his post has stirred up in people! He is not responsible for the stirring up - those who get stirred up are. They are still looking for others to show them the way because they still have doubt and uncertainty about who they are and about their magnificence.

If they were sure of their magnificence and their ability to co-create the lives they dream of, they would not get stirred up. If they were not leaning on others for strength, they would not have the doubt because they would have their own strength that cannot be taken away. This is where we have to watch our expectations that rely on the actions of others.

For example, this Facebook group was intended to be a peaceful place for those wishing to share their dreams of Kindom, the steps they are taking towards Kindom and somewhere for people to exchange ideas and find others with similar aspirations. What has happened in just a few days is a series of people stirring up trouble, being deliberately misleading and causing all sorts of dramas! This will only be disappointing and cause e-motional reactions in those who have attachments about the Facebook group being a certain way, which is a form of control trip, placing expectations on others to behave in certain ways. Again, we are in the movie theatre, watching the film of our trauma.

Kindom will happen for those who have no doubt about it and who do not have e-motional attachments to people acting in pre-determined ways. If we allow the doubt and uncertainty to creep into our dreaming, we will never create Kindom which is why Intel try to create doubt and uncertainty amongst us. These attacks are real and we all need to really WAKE UP so that we can spot them, notice the effect they have on us, learn from it and move on, instead of letting the trauma that comes up dictate what we do.

Whether those stirring the pot are intel or merely trouble-makers, the effect they have is still the same. They have never lived with us and really have no idea about what we have been doing for the last 10 years and yet their performance in a small drama acted out over a few hours has taken away our last ten years of work for some people. The trauma has taken over and their connections with us are shattered. Where once their hearts were connected to us and our intent, and they welcomed our intent on their radar, now the trauma has taken over and we are no longer on their radar. The trauma is a blur that has taken over.

We all come out of "The System" of trauma and this is what they play on. The monkey we carry around is the trauma of that movie, waiting for any situation where our trauma comes up so that the switch can be flicked, the lights turned on and the action starts.

The whole basis of Kindom is for people to come together without the doubt and uncertainty, sure enough in who we are that we can cope whatever happens, even if we end up moving away from Kindom. Kindom needs VERY strong people to withstand this system stuff and those who do not have that strength but are attracted to the strength because they doubt themselves, will only end up as victims of the strong ones, blaming them for the outcomes of their lives when they did not have the courage to make their own decisions in the first place. This only happens when the movie of their trauma is running amok. Strong people will clash and this is not a problem so long as the good intentions are still there and the clashes are allowed to run their course, be made whole and everyone learns and moves on.

When we come together, we can create the lives we dream of. When we allow our lives to be pushed apart, all we have to fall back on is "The System". We have to learn to stick together despite our trauma, despite our doubt and uncertainty. It is ironic that we trust those of "The System" more than we trust each other!!!!!!!! Why else do we fall away from each other and back into the arms of our masters?

Cointel psyop programming is very clever and unless the targeted victims are not conscious of what is going on, they can be manipulated into behaving in ways that come from the deep, e-motional, trauma-based issues that Intel use to con others into carrying out the reactions to trauma of those deep-seated e-motions. They love to roll out the cameras for us, playing our movies for us over and over again. It is all in the intent, both light and dark, dark being man-made trauma. There is NO "right model" to operate out of - we are all unique and original and our work is all about honouring and protecting the sacredness of all of the dream of life.

We are all fully responsible for creating the light for those lost to the darkness to return to. We also need to be the light to rescue who we really are from all the damage (darkness) that has happened to us in this life too. Kindom is the brightest light we can shine for those still lost to "The System" because, let's face it, unless we are living a way of life that is living-remedy then there is NOTHING there at all, despite how much we may talk on our computers.

Everyone in "The System" is brain-controlled. It does not matter how deep or far it may go, brainwashing is brainwashing.

As it stands almost everyone who points out the wrongs of "The System" has made their bed in "The System" - there is no remedy there.

Everyone influenced by anyone pointing out the wrongs of "The System", including brainwashing, have also made their bed in "The System", and those who have made their bed in "The System" are severely deluded if they think otherwise. It all completely changes when there is no bed made in "The System".

While we have no remedy to get MAN out of "The System" in this life, all we do continues to keep everyone trapped in it, in spite of inspiring them to heal some part of the brainwashing or not - they all remain brainwashed slaves. We are all playing our trauma movies to each other. "The System" is a very big production that has been going on for a very long time.

This is how deeply compromised we all are and why we are doing everything possible to create a living Kindom paradise in this life and until we do there is NOTHING else going on that gets us all out of "The System" in this life.

Unless we have a living remedy in present-sense we are not being/living the remedy and therefore millions of babies each month continue being hijacked and brainwashed to be the educated slave-cogs turning the wheels of "The System" progress of MAN'S deeply mucked up "state". The fact is without remedy, nothing has changed.

Can any of us have a very good look at our lives and tell others that we are not slaves anymore, living off "The System" of slaves, using no money or anything of "The System" of deeply brainwashed men and women providing us with the services, benefits and privileges that we rely on?

The brainwashing ONLY ends when we have completely departed "The System". Until then, none of us are any better than anyone who is MK Ultra; we are all performing our programs, just like them. What we perceive in them is what is mirrored in us. So unless we are of Kindom, actively co-creating living dreams of remedy, we offer NOTHING but a very well packaged story of BS to make us feel good about our life in spite of our failings. We are not alone. Most people are like this, which is why we are determined to create Kindom in this life, compromised as we are, because there are not yet enough of us willing to do what it takes to co-create this dream.

When we have Kindom up and running, we will no longer have to spend our waking lives on the computer trying to wake people up; they will wake up by coming to experience a living Kindom in action. What they do with that experience will be entirely up to them.

Unless we have completely left "The System" and are demonstrating a system-free way of life, how can we expect anyone else to?

This is not to say that we should not be making the efforts we are making towards Kindom but let's not live with the delusion that we are "better" or that we have done something great because, until there is a Kindom, we are still contributing, moment by moment, to the destruction of life and to the continuation of torturing and mesmerising MAN in whatever way possible. Let us face who and what we really are, here and now, because it is then that we begin to make changes.

The movie of our trauma is a sickness that is happening inside our heads. It is not happening anywhere else. Just as the horror movie is only happening on the screen, not in the seat where we are sitting. The monster is not trying to bite our heads off, only the heads of the actors on the screen. This is the same in our lives; we have not caused the dramas and controversies here and yet people are getting upset with us, as if we have been making them upset. We are not the monster trying to bite their heads off. The monster upsetting them exists only in the movie of their trauma which is the monkey that follows them around wherever they go, looking for another opportunity to carry out this drama.

When Dana created this group, we knew all this was coming and we welcome it because it brings home to all of us just how strong we really need to be to co-create Kindom. In just a couple of days there have already been lots of upsets, fears, doubts, controversies, etc. WOW. It is all part of the process and there will, no doubt, be much more to come.

Love, love, love to all of you.

Arthur and Fiona Cristian

8 March at 23:37

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Scott Andrews

<3

9 March at 03:31

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Andrew Smith

Wow. I'll read this later... Gotta go to the greenhouse and put my hands in the dirt and plant something.

Thinking about that raw food diet, Scott Andrews.

9 March at 03:44

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Scott Andrews

:) <3 Wooohooo!!

9 March at 05:43

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Arthur Cristian

We meed to provide permanent links to this thread and to the one with David and even the one with Karen, all of them sticky at the top of this FB group wall so that we can direct others/anyone down-the-line , whenever, to contemplate, scrutinise and learn from these events and be conscious of what we are all facing in creating our true everlasting freedom because that is what Kindom is all about. :) <3

9 March at 09:10

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Maybe we can say something like this........ To those who are new to the group, please read these two/three threads and see what happens. This is very important because this stuff happens in ALL well-intentioned groups of men and women who come together to make a difference and is what we need to learn to withstand if we are to be successfull in co-creating Kindoms.

Men and women breaking away from "The System" completely is the achilles heel of those behind "The Systm" which is why they are making sure their influence is felt right from the beginning. This is the stuff we have to learn really, really well so we don't continue re-creating the shattered reality amongst us. If you think it is challenging over the internet, what do you think it will be like face-to-face on a daily basis! These attacks will be part of the Mud Room processing heading towards Kindom life, MAN completely free on land, until we have healed all our trauma and "The System" is no more. Take off the rose-coloured glasses right now.

9 March at 09:13

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918/permalink/1435524730072...

Arthur Cristian to Love for Life Kindoms

This is what happens when we get sucked into conflict to become part of the chaos feeding it with our life-energy. Come on, we are all so much better than this. Do learn from such important life-experiences as this one so that we all learn not to get sucked into the doubt and uncertainty of our magnificence where we start behaving in ways that are far less than the magnificence of the MAN we all really are. Reactions to the trauma of our doubt and uncertainty only feeds "The System" of a shattered reality that has become us, which blatantly destroys the living Paradise of our magnificent Kindom Dreams. Always come from our magnificence and never from the shattered reality where we have given up who we really are for a fake copy. :) <3 Arthur :) <3

Copied over from David Eaton Edwards UK Chiefs Facebook Public Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1497428190525833/permalink/1559697040965...

where we posted the announcement of this new Love For Life Kindoms Group yesterday 5th March 2015 11.02am Sydney Australia time.

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Arthur Cristian

Supporters of the Love For Life Kindom (Do No Harm Community) dream have created a new Facebook group called Love for Life Kindoms https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918 - Love for Life Kindoms Facebook group is a place for everyone to share anything and everything to do with creating kindoms:

- announcements of kindom opportunities
- discussion of Love for Life's Ten Steps to Kindom
- experiences with creating a kindom
- seeking input
- sharing suggestions
- and, most of all, providing inspiration for others to make a choice to create a kindom of their own
- etc.

If you live for the Kindom dream and want to participate in the creation of Kindoms all across Earth, then get involved. Come and join this group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918

Welcome, everybody!

The Love for Life Kindoms group is just in its beginning stages. Looking forward to all the wonderful love and inspiration that will be co-created within this group. :) <3

This is a place for us all to focus on remedy. No discussions on the NWO, etc., please. If you are new to Love for Life and would like to learn more, please visit the Love for Life website: http://loveforlife.com.au Thank you. :) Dana Clark

Kindom (do no harm communities) is the dream for freedom, but it is the dream for the freedom of those around us who also live the dream of freedom, because it is in living for the freedom of others that we get our freedom.

When we live for the dreams of Kindom of those around us, we live life as a gift because we live for (dedicate our lives to) their dream of freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, etc, just as they live for our Kindom dreams too. This is true co-creation (cooperation) with no attack on the uniqueness of each of us.

When we live this way, we have no need for any man-made System - everything/everyone has already been taken care of by our love for life.

~ from the Love for Life homepage: http://loveforlife.com.au

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David Eaton Edwards

6th March 2015 1.17pm

Love for Life Kindoms is a fascist spook group. I advise not entering. It is full of vampires, ghouls, and spooks.

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David Eaton Edwards

The administrative is wrong. The puppet Master is insane.

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David Eaton Edwards

A Ship with a puppet Master is a dangerous Vessel to be aboard. Take heed.

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David Eaton Edwards

Arthur. One day you are going to die. If I were Ship's Doctor, I would have removed you from The Helm of your own Vessel. Take heed, Brother. Your navigation is in Grave error.

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David Eaton Edwards

The Lives of your Crew and Passengers are in grave Danger!! They are in your hands. I repeat. Take Good heed, Brother.

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David Eaton Edwards

You have Responsibility and Duty to Life. You are an Officer. Remember your Family Sir. I Salute You.

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Arthur Cristian

Copying over the comments we posted in the LFL Kindom Group.....

Firstly, it is Kindom and NOT Kingdom., very important. Secondly, right here we can see already some of the problems we face in coming together. Does Jaba have bad intentions? We do not think so. Does David have bad intentions? We do not think so. And yet right now we already have controversy and communication issues between us. Lets all have a contemplation about this here and now, without needing to go over and keep stirring the pot. Perhaps we can all learn something, and keep steering this discussion away from conflict and controversy back to practical ways of getting out of "The System" in this life never to return. We love you all and thank you for the energy and inspiration you all keep putting into the Kindom dream.

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Arthur Cristian

The dream and everyday-practical-sense for co-creating Kindom in this life is what this FB group is all about. All other squabbles are to be carried on here: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian - This Love For Life Kindoms FB group is not about squabbles, it exists ONLY for those who are determined to walk-the-talk the living dream of Kindom and be seen to be getting on with creating Kindom here and now in this life. Please show respect by taking ALL your squabbles elsewhere.

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Arthur Cristian

Do we dream for an everlasting peace because if we do then we are all fully-responsible for creating and maintaining that peace amongst us / between us, here and now forevermore.

Below is an example of how we handle peace in the family home.

We are not here to point the finger at anyone, we are just sharing how we handle peace.

We are parents with 4 daughters. When they end up as a bunch of kids in a squabble we take them outside of the sacred family home of peace and let them sort it out in the garden/bush/forest/etc. As parents, we are fully responsible to be the living caretakers, custodians and stewards of peace, a peace that we live/dream for AND, we are also conscious of NOT invalidating the free-will of our children for having a squabble if that is really what they want. In this way we create a win win situation.

The dream and everyday-practical-sense for co-creating Kindom in this life is what this FB group is all about. All other squabbles are to be carried on here: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian = a win win for everyone.

This Love For Life Kindoms FB group is not about squabbles, it exists ONLY for those who are determined to walk-the-talk the living dream of Kindom, of PEACE, and be seen to be getting on with creating Kindom, PEACE, here and now in this life.

Please show respect for those who live for PEACE by taking ALL your squabbles elsewhere.

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Arthur Cristian

When we get past all forms of doubt and uncertainty in all its nefarious forms not only are we being magnificent in present-sense, but everything we dream for is created magnificently in present-sense too.

Kindom starts with our attitudes, how we think, feel and act.. We are each fully-responsible for how we behave, act, think, dream, etc.

We, Fiona & Arthur Cristian, live for the magnificence in every MAN to come forward in present-sense and never to retreat again, for then Kindoms of magnificent MAN are springing forth everywhere and peace reigns supreme for all of MAN across-Earth.

The point is, it is NOT land that is our problem, it is our brothers and sisters who gave up being magnificent.

We are all already on land living amongst brothers and sisters lost to the perpetuation of "The System" of doubt and uncertainty that is making a mess of their magnificence.

Once we heal the damage done to MANS magnificence, then magnificent kindoms spring forth on land everywhere because then, it is magnificent MAN living for the magnificence of MANS Kindom dreams that is creating a living paradise on the land every magnificent MAN is fully responsible for as caretakers, custodians and stewards of MANS magnificence.

Now "The System" of perpetuating the effects of doubt and uncertainty between MAN and MAN is dead and buried forevermore.

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David Eaton Edwards

O&O

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Arthur Cristian

It's all in the intent David. People who live for peace, truth, freedom, joy, abundance, etc...... will behave that way, it becomes them in an everyday practical sense. People who live for chaos and controversy, becomes them too. :) The intent is clearly visible through the fruits of ones making. The evidence of the fruit is in the basket of the one who makes the claims and carries them around. Thanks for making it very clear to us that you do not live for Kindom David. As requested we will remove you from this Kindom group mate. :) <3

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Arthur Cristian

So you are taking down our comments/posts as well David?

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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David Eaton Edwards

Not I Sir.

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Arthur Cristian

This is the comment you took down............

It's all in the intent David. People who live for peace, truth, freedom, joy, abundance, etc...... will behave that way, it becomes them in an everyday practical sense. People who live for chaos and controversy, becomes them too. :) The intent is clearly visible through the fruits of ones making. The evidence of the fruit is in the basket of the one who makes the claims and carries them around. Thanks for making it very clear to us that you do not live for Kindom David. As requested we will remove you from this Kindom group mate. :) <3

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David Eaton Edwards

Blue Oyster Cult. Agents of Fortune. Don't fear The Reaper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQcUyhoxTg

Blue Oyster Cult - (Don't Fear) The Reaper 1976 [Studio Version]cowbell link in description
YOUTUBE.COM

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David Eaton Edwards

I repeat. Not I Sir.

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Arthur Cristian

It's all in the intent David. People who live for peace, truth, freedom, joy, abundance, etc...... will behave that way, it becomes them in an everyday practical sense. People who live for chaos and controversy, becomes them too. :) The intent is clearly visible through the fruits of ones making. The evidence of the fruit is in the basket of the one who makes the claims and carries them around. Thanks for making it very clear to us that you do not live for Kindom David. As requested we will remove you from this Kindom group mate. :) <3

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David Eaton Edwards

If what you say holds Truth, thanks for reposting it. LOL!!

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Arthur Cristian

Well it happened. Anyway, we reposted it for you.....

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David Eaton Edwards

Maybe.

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Arthur Cristian

We are your brother mate. We are NOT at war with you. We leave you in peace. All power to you and your extended family mate. <3 :)

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David Eaton Edwards

Vessel, I would issue Order to Abandon Ship!! I Salute You Sir.

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David Eaton Edwards

MI5??

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David Eaton Edwards

MI6??

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David Eaton Edwards

Remember Your Family.

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David Eaton Edwards

Peace WITHOUT Poison.

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David Eaton Edwards

I Salute You. You and Your Entire Crew are going down. I Sincerely wish Your Family are not aboard Sir.

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Arthur Cristian

It's all in the intent David. The intent says everything. Those who are sincere about Kindom will learn what it will take to create Kindom in this life. Everyone, including us, is coming out of "The System" damaged and Kindom is all about completely healing that damage in this life which is all about leaving "The System" in this life never to return. This is why we ALWAYS remember our family because we live for Kindom to be a living legacy gifted to our children so they grow up not being slaves in world of men and women lost to doubt and uncertainty. We are fully responsible to provide our children with a living paradise. It is the least we can do with our lives. We have NOTHING else to live for mate.

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David Eaton Edwards

I am not at Peace about this. I did that which was Commanded to me. I delivered. Nonetheless. If MI5 and MI6 together won't sort this out, then it sure is one GINORMOUS SHAME!!

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David Eaton Edwards

I Pity his Family.

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David Eaton Edwards

I Pity every spook's Family.

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David Eaton Edwards

Still. At least it looks like some of them are trying to get out of The System. Wait for it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQA-06kSLU

Trippiest Star Trek scene ever... wait for the end... WTF??!?
Wait for the surprise at the end -- well worth it.
YOUTUBE.COM

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David Eaton Edwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTWnr6W9KAU

Star Trek S01E20 Court Martial
Court Martial Kirk draws a court martial in the negligent death of a crewman.
YOUTUBE.COM

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Arthur Cristian

David, what is the remedy that you offer that gets MAN out of "The System" in this life, a living every-day practical-sense remedy that provides freedom, truth, peace, joy, abundance, do no harm, no loss of uniqueness and originality and no slaves and rulers for everyone and everything of the dream of life? Or do you NOT live for freedom or peace or truth or joy or abundance or do no harm or no loss of uniqueness and originality or no slaves and rulers???? Can you please point out which of these points you do not live for? Unless you have something better to replace The Steps Of Kindom we created 2006/2007, without compromising any of the essential points raised above, we will continue on the path of creating Kindom in this life.

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David Eaton Edwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XhQRFO4M7A

MC5- Kick Out The Jams (Extended)
YOUTUBE.COM

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David Eaton Edwards

Ah. this shall shut out those the screams of those poor drowning Seamen. I can hear them now. Voices from Davy Jones locker. Nothing more. I rest easier.

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Arthur Cristian

So you got NOTHING which clearly shows that you are presently all about creating a controversy where there isn't any. To us, it is clear that your loyalties are with "The System" - that you don't have anything else on offer here.

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David Eaton Edwards

Bad Dream. Shivers in the night. LOL!!

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David Eaton Edwards

Spooks!!

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David Eaton Edwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjJt4P4w8io

Under Milk Wood (Part 1) read by Dylan Thomas
Dylan Thomas — Under Milk Wood (Part 1) read by...
YOUTUBE.COM

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Arthur Cristian

David, you have just made it very clear what your intentions are.

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Arthur Cristian

You shall know them by their fruits.....

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From a Facebook Private Message
sent by David today
Friday 06/03/2015 13:45

David Eaton Edwards

Good.
Indeed.
I am a reaper. You are chaff in the Wind.
My blade is long and sharp. It swings long and it swings strong. It cuts well. Sometimes I riddle. You are chaff.
I am Intelligence. You do not understand Intelligence.
Intelligence has nothing to hide.
Intelligence does noy hide.

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Arthur Cristan

Currently, what you offer is everything derived from doubt and uncertainty that is an unnatural world of a shattered reality = "The System". You most definitely do not embrace wholeness. to heal a shattered reality. Your allegiance is not with MANS everlasting peace. You are clearly telling us that you serve the continuation of chaos amongst MAN. Thanks for the memories but no thanks. Your offer for chaos is not accepted.

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David Eaton Edwards

You're mad bro.

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Arthur Cristian
14:23

These are your claims coming from you, a 3rd party. Again, thank you for your offer of chaos but no thank you, your offer of chaos is not accepted. :)

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David Eaton Edwards

Dear Davy Jones. Karen had the Intelligence to jump ship before me. I had the Intelligence to wait a little longer. You are talking to yourself.
You have learned nothing. In fact, you don't even have a clue.

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Arthur Cristian
15:08

Thank you, you are free to create the version of reality you dream for, as do we. Happy sailing on the vessel of your choosing David. Bon Voyage mate.... http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/smiley-waving-hand-18806318.jpg

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David Eaton Edwards

Your Vessel is under

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Arthur Cristian
15:37

:)

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David Eaton Edwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQA-06kSLU

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David Eaton Edwards

You are insane and a threat to Security. You are under

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Arthur Cristian

David, please tell us about this: http://www.warwickshire.police.uk/your-neighbourhood/rugby-district/rugb...

David, since yesterday, why is it that your behaviour on the various FB walls we are involved in is similar to a community action having to be taken against you as per the info contained in the link provided here?

Please explain.

Fiona and Arthur.

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9 March at 09:24

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Arthur Cristian

Arthur Cristian Looks like everything to do with Karen was taken down?????

9 March at 09:24

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Kemble Dawson Walker

Dear Scott and Arthur,

Have a lovely life together in the Southern Highlands!

Kind regards,

Kemble.

9 March at 23:34

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Kemble Dawson Walker

42 mins ·

Dear Scott and Arthur,
Thank you for your enthusiastic engagement with my ideas in your Group page. I honestly do value your correspondence, however I was finding the page rather a distraction from more important things!

You may now follow my activities—in totally transparent manner—here on the public forum of my Facebook wall. I have updated my profile photograph as a closeup of my eyes, partly to demonstrate my full openness to engaging creatively with you.
If you have any new information to contribute—and I mean, information I haven't heard before—I will gratefully accept it here.

In eager anticipation of a splendid Australia,

I am Yours Most Sincerely,
Kemble Dawson Walker.

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Kemble Dawson Walker

31 mins

Dear Scott and Arthur,
Thank you for your enthusiastic engagement with my ideas in your Group page. I honestly do value your correspondence, however I was finding the page rather a distraction from more important things!

You may now follow my activities—in totally transparent manner—here on the public forum of my Facebook wall. I have updated my profile photograph as a closeup of my eyes, partly to demonstrate my full openness to engaging creatively with you.

If you have any new information to contribute—and I mean, information I haven't heard before—I will gratefully accept it here.

In eager anticipation of a splendid Australia,

I am Yours Most Sincerely,

Kemble Dawson Walker.

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Kemble Dawson Walker

23 mins ·

Arthur —
(CC: Scott Andrews)
I'm not sure where is best to send this to you, so please forgive me for posting on your wall here. I will not be offended nor suspect you of employment with ASIO if you move it or delete it.

I acknowledge the effort you devote to creating a nicer world. I really sincerely actually apologise for not watching your video or reading all your material. I see it has caused a bit of a problem.

I think there is a way of bringing a peaceful and harmonious world, by communicating information to the Earth's population much faster than through Internet essays or Youtube videos.

This is my focus at the moment.

I trust your wisdom and far-sightedness on this matter.

Kind regards,
Yours truly,
Kemble.

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Kemble Dawson Walker

16 mins ·

Please, Arthur, control your copy & paste. I deliberately said New information.

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Kemble's Facebook wall: https://www.facebook.com/kembledawsonwalker?fref=nf

Kemble's Eyes: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10993963...

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Arthur Cristian

This is what we just posted to Kemble as comments within each of the three posts shared on Arthur's FB wall.

All comments/posts are now copied over into one thread on Arthur's wall: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10206117142075632

We are taking all your other comments down to maintain continuity of discussion with you. Call it good filing.. :)

10 March at 00:39

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Eshys Eshys

Wow looking at this thread..very interesting reading,,i just wish i could write more at the moment,,very clever,,very "mindful" trying so hard to get a vid uploaded been two days now...be very interested to get what Kemble thinks of some of the points brought up in it...much love..

10 March at 03:13

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Scott Andrews

Thank you for showing your true colors kemble, this will be a valuable lesson for those who are watching

10 March at 04:52

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Arthur Cristian

Copy of an unedited PM to another LFL supporter.....

10th March 2015

During conflict when someone pushes their face up to someone else's, to us is a clear sign/intent of threatening their perceived target/enemy. Kemble now uses a photo to post his face (says it in his eyes) up close to us.

Also, notice how he will not address any of the questions/arguments raised, shows no interests in processing whatsoever, no empathy, no compassion, no willingness to come to the table, remains aloof, cold and icy, he still wants the conflict he is digging for.......

are you guys noticing this?????

Yet we did this for him, completely dissected his posts/comments and gave him a complete breakdown.

What did he do NOTHING.

Just fobbed us off, as if we are scum....

And his intellect is right out front.

It's all talk and little soul to back it.

This guy has been trained intensively to perform this fake role.

And he has come out of nowhere with a big bang, which almost all intel do.

When we look into the almost clinched eyes of this Kemble photo to us it reveals that iciness of a cold hearted psychopath, very controlled, calculating, ultra-manipulative, etc, as in a milder version of a Hannibal Lecter - just not yet showing the physical violence on the surface.

We've come across these types many many times before.

Watch out, Kemble is a very prickly rose. He is a complete fake, there is NOTHING genuine about the sentiments of Kindom coming from him.

All comments/posts are now copied over into one thread on Arthur's wall: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10206117142075632

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Arthur Cristian

All for the Kindom dream - An example of the healing work we get involved in, both remotely no matter where they maybe across Earth, and intimately face to face...

Sanitised......

working through many layers of trauma is working through many layers of walk in demons that started walking in and out of ones brain/body since trauma began.

Real relationships are those that can withstand confrontation to the deepest core of our "being" while still sensing that who we really are is ok and that others you love, those now close to you, are all ok too and that everything you live/dream for is ok too.

With matters of the heart there are no back doors whatsoever - all is unconditional love. There are no secrets - no darkness - there is nowhere to hide - all is light.

Now it's all about consciously recognising where those misguided conditions still are in ones thinking/e-motions and confronting them with unconditional love (no e-motional attachments - no reactions to trauma whatsoever) so that those walk in demons are sent packing out of ones life because only unconditional love exists as who they really are.

Take a good look at the "conditions" you have placed on (sanitised and sanitised) and everyone else in your life who managed to get close to you over the years, particularly since these walk in demons started having a hold over your life, your body, if you can sense the truth of your life that far back to your early child-hood..

Our body is the core of our being and trauma is the door ajar. The sealed door was meant to provide protection to our life as a baby/child, our body, but now the door can't close properly because it was unnaturally opened by trauma and the gap of non-closure continues to have an immense effect over us because now the trauma acts as the foot in the door jam blocking the door from complete closure.

Since early child hood the door has not been able to close and thus the permeations of trauma continues wreaking havoc over our lives. The gap in the door allows walk in, walk out demons/demonic attacks to continue plaguing us until we learn how to close the door fully.

Trauma is the doubt and uncertainty, is the distrust, is the abandonment, is the non-protection where one e-motionally feels unsafe = insecurity, lack of confidence, "self"-esteem issues, etc, etc, and is the walk in demon messing with our head, our body.

All these walk in demons of trauma are CONDITIONAL and they show up in our attitudes, behaviour, lifestyles, values, etc, etc..... They are the darkness, the secrets, the fear of the light, etc, etc...

They cause us to push others away who were getting closer to our hearts, to the core of our real-lives.

Man-made darkness does not love the light (truth).

As "adults" and the older they get without healing this damage, those terribly infected by walk-in-demons will have a large trail of relationship wreckages behind them because the walk-in-demons have been the greater dominant power and control over their hosts.

So unless one is not under the influence of walk-in-demons of trauma one will have NO real sense of what is really going on and will default to faking attitudes, behaviour, etc, all of it "intellectualised" and will act as persecuted victims creating controversies where there aren't any.

The demons will misguide them, the hosts views being twisted, distorted with no real sense of reality, of what is really going on and all this fake behaviour is the clear signs of an injured bird with broken wings who can't fly.

They dream to fly, to soar through the greater heights of elation and joy amongst the wind currents of naturally bonding relationships of the heart but unfortunately they are busted, their wings are broken and spend a life of sadness, despair, emptiness, hopelessness, directionlessness, etc, and they complain and complain and complain as they e-motionally intellectualise as victims of their predicaments and often look to others to blame for their pain, their suffering.

They are not healed.

The door is still ajar.

They do not feel safe and secure with those who have come close to them.

Darkness is still upon them.

The heartfelt questions now need to be asked of you (sanitised),

Are we co-creating with an injured bird who needs our help, our sincere love as part of a healing crisis and we direct all our life-energy there until the healing is complete

or

Are we passed all the trauma issues and are strong enough to still be in and of the passion and enthusiasm and excitement of co-creating with bonded brothers and sisters working intimately together, the bonds growing stronger and stronger and stronger as we get closer and closer and closer to each other's core/soul for Kindom, the light.

Which way from here (sanitised)?

Are we working with the darkness of trauma or are we working with the light of passion, of love, of inspiration?

Which one is it?

Where did all the (sanitised) passion and enthusiasm and joy go (sanitised)?

What happened to this deep intimate (sanitised - sanitised) you had or was it all fake?

What are we working with here?

Are we working with a (sanitised) dream powerfully or are we being undermined by trauma?

Are we the tortoise out of the shell or still in the shell?

As friends, we have no issues with who you are and where you are at - please note that when we pointed out what you had missed with (sanitised), we never said anything about you not being good enough to be (sanitised - sanitised - sanitised) to co-create with (sanitised) etc, etc... You did that, well in fact the walk in demon performed that for you.

(Sanitised), we will always push you to be the best you can be just as we push each other and others around us. Unless we are willing to go through these painful processes none of us will get to where we dream to be.

If you want to continue with (sanitised) expect your buttons, the door ajar, to be pushed many many, many times until there are no buttons left to push.

Then we will all just LOLLLLLLLLLL over and over and over again at how reactive we all used to be.

There are no secrets with Kindom, no secrets between us, all that gets discussed should be shared openly amongst all of us all-the-time.

Full-Disclosure.

This is what has happened here, nothing said to (sanitised) or you has been withheld from each other. Only the demonic shit can do that, can keep secrets....

When the darkness of secrecy starts coming in to a close intimate group (your group) then its the door ajar with walk in demons in control, all becomes prickly and terribly uncomfortable, etc, etc, and this is where, in dreams/projects we are involved with, we step in because we refuse to let (sanitised) be destroyed by demonic attacks. With our dreams we care for as custodians, etc, we are deeply passionate caretakers, stewards of the dream of life that is Kindom.. What do they/you/anyone expect us to do???

If you get your head sorted out here and now you should stay on the front line of the (sanitised - sanitised - sanitised) as a passionate enthusiastic highly motivated (sanitised - sanitised - sanitised) dreamer and doer of your dreams so that you learn through practise, practise, practise, to become better in your skills in keeping the door closed at all times so that nothing of the dark side of MAN can step in to f... it all over, particularly with you.

Do you fully comprehend (sanitised)?

We are here not to support you as an injured bird, instead we are here to support the expansion of your magnificence.

We say,........ get past all your doubt and uncertainty, all your lack of confidence and self-destructive tendencies and grab the bull by the horns and ride the storm out to paradise.

How else are you going to become all that you dream to be?

Get on the front line and stay there and do all the dirty work and do all the dirty work with the rest of (sanitised - sanitised - sanitised), get used to it.

We feel/sense that you also contact (sanitised) to stop this persecution with (sanitised) and heal the damage. From where we see/sense it, (sanitised) has been nothing bar ultra supportive of you. (sanitised) loves you unconditionally as (sanitised) loves (sanitised) unconditionally.

And there is NOTHING conditional to be ashamed about - we are all far far far far far far far better than all of this demonic crap.

Look at all the dark-side conditional shit and LOLLLLLLLLLL and move on, no need to react to it or be afraid of it, just see/sense it for what it really is and then practise practise practise how to completely ignore it, to stop giving it your life-force-energy by directing it amongst the living, amongst those of your heart, amongst creative dreams to expand the living dreams of your life.

Remember, reactions to trauma as listed over and over again in this comment ONLY feeds the demons, only keeps the door ajar. We are of the light (sanitised), we are NOT of the darkness.

We love you lots (sanitised)...

Fiona and Arthur <3 <3 < :) :) :)

10 March at 12:56

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Wade Libbis

God... everything is psyop .... grrr

10 March at 13:27

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Wade Libbis

Just read it and see your point.

10 March at 13:32

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Scott Andrews

The program runs deep in all of us!

10 March at 13:34

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Scott Andrews

The less we know about these traumas that the program uploads since babies, the more we help these psyop programs exist for others to upload as well. We become intel without even realizing it

10 March at 13:35

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Scott Andrews

But some are blatantly obvious that they know very well what is going on, and ignorance seems to be one of the biggest tools in their arsenal.

10 March at 13:36

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Wade Libbis

God mate I know. Im like split personality, swaying from system revolution, collective thought to individualist thought to violent revolution to peaceful revolution to exoding the system to just throwing it all to the wind and just do my own thing to mega optimism to deep depression. Polaxed by the sorcery of language/religion/politics/law ... I go from ego self to egoless self which is still ego... Im crazy lol :-D

10 March at 13:40

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Scott Andrews

LOL!!! Aren't we all :-D <3

Hey Man, least your working your shit out!!

10 March at 13:46

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Wade Libbis

lol Thanks Scott. Yep who is sane??? Arthur and Fiona and co ..they seem pretty sane lot lol

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Arthur Cristian

http://www.coolfunnyquotes.com/images/quotes/stupidy-genius-difference.p...
The Difference Between Stupidity And Genius Is That Genius Has Its Limits - Albert Einstein

10 March at 15:02

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Arthur Cristian

http://i5.asn.im/the-best-sarcastic-response-to-the-dumb-questions-peopl...

10 March at 15:03

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Wade Libbis

Ahahahahahahahaha (Y)

10 March at 15:05

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Karl Grubmayr

genius is yet an other expression of stupiditi

10 March at 15:38

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Maurice Stevenson

ROFL

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Eshys Eshys

That is the number one thing for us doing what we are doing,,being aware of our thoughts,,there is a massive difference between knowing your using a character,,and being lost within one,,we now use the characters we designed to survive within the system,,to help catapult "ourselves" out of it,, each one of those characters had an accumulation of trauma that had to be faced and cleaned up so we could use them without opening the door to the past again,,and as we move further into kindom thought the less we have to use the characters..that's why we always feel slightly dirty dealing with the system because we know we are in character but we have to use it,,to protect ourselves like armour to get to where we need to go,,and that's the land..once there armour off.

10 March at 21:31

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Wade Libbis

Well said Eshys (Y)

10 March at 21:38

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Arthur Cristian

From this link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918/permalink/1436058153352...

To those who are new to the Love For Life Kindom Group, please read these two threads and see what happens. This is very important because this stuff happens in ALL well-intentioned groups of men and women who come together to make a difference and is what we need to learn to withstand if we are to be successful in co-creating Kindoms. Men and women breaking away from "The System" completely is the Achilles heel of those behind "The System" which is why they are making sure their influence is felt right from the beginning. This is the stuff we have to learn really, really well so we don't continue to re-create the shattered reality amongst us. If you think it is challenging over the internet, what do you think it will be like face-to-face on a daily basis! These attacks will be part of Kindom life until we have healed all our trauma and "The System" is no more. Take off the rose-coloured glasses right now.

The Cristian Family November 2006

Attempted Hijack By Default
(Fake Impersonation)

What we are posting here is not a direct attack on the MAN "Adon Bender" (whoever he really is) because we have not intimately lived with him over a long period of "time". We are putting this post up to show that, so far, we have nothing to do with Adon Bender and what he is doing and saying. Fiona & Arthur Cristian - Love For Life

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Saturday 26th September 2015 1.00pm (or thereabout)

Adon Bender

I have to say I feel a bit baffled by how I should approach things. What I mean by this: I'm only interested in walking the talking by getting edible gardens established when/ where I can, by whatever means are at my disposal. I've done this for the last 5+ years mostly. However, if it's for 'family & friends' that are only interested in commerce - what's the good? Large part of me has wanted to believe that all you got to do is provide a functioning example and it will inspire - and I know it does. Though is the inspiration great enough to make them stop the love of their 'slave status' their benefits? Whenever people see all the seedlings I've sown, and gardens I'm making they all ask - "oh you should sell them - when are you going to sell your produce?" They know I've no interest in commerce, and only an interest in providing for all near me... Yet commerce is all people see.
I keep dedicating my efforts to helping people get to a situation where it's reassured it's about living sustainably, collaboration, co-existence etc. because all that know me know I'm not interested in commerce. Throughout the process however I see what it's about - ultimately self-service. It's about aquiring 'their' land, house, title-deeds, pleasantries and indulgences - from the system. The notion of co-creation/existence, collaboration, etc. is romantic however the emptiness and lack of 'internal resources' always destroys these intentions.

What I'm getting at is I know I HAVE to be an example as we all do. However as many in LFL agree that if you're running around attempting to inspire people that don't want to be inspired - what fuckin' good is it? For the last 5 years I've been working on farms that entertain most of these principles - supposedly aspiring for them also. However, as always, different dynamics play-out and the greed, egocentricity, superiority/inferiority complexes starts, the manipulation, the silent punishment, the self-pity parties, the apathy, the doubt & uncertainty, the tacid, reluctant consent. The animosity, resentment, contention and lack of desire for reconciliation - always leading to people leaving/quitting... AND this bloke isn't innocent of it!

So the real thing I'm in anguish pondering over is & ask myself always. Am I allowing myself to be manipulated into something that will NEVER be a group effort towards a tribe - towards co-existence/creation, harmony, etc. or do I need to stick through the whole process and MAKE it a group effort through demonstration & passion - even if people are unsure/certain & reluctant to renounce the system and all the bondage & harm that comes with it... My efforts feel futile, as I can't (or unable) see anyone with any drive to make something like LFL's dream happen - IN THIS LIFE - RIGHT NOW! If any soul on the east coast of 'Australia' is interested in THE conciliation, humility, and effort it takes to put something genuine into fruition through REAL group effort. Please tell me.

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Arthur & Fiona Cristian

This is Fiona and Arthur Cristian writing here together.

Adon, your last 5 years of work as described above has absolutely NOTHING to do with us and the Love For Life Kindom dream we live/work for in this life, yet you are trying to align your misguided efforts with what we are really doing and make it out as if it is somehow intimately connected.

This FACT alone is a HUGE LIE you are peddling here.

We are making it very clear for all to see that we have NO WORKING ASSOCIATION with you, past or present, and we are also making it very clear that there is a clearly defined disassociation from you. Everything you are saying and doing and all those that you embraced in your post have absolutely NOTHING to do with us and the Kindom dream we live/stand for.

There is no doubt or uncertainty around us, instead it all comes from you and is make-believe non-sense when you attempt to align your life with us and the Love For Life Kindom dream.

What we are doing, where we are coming from, etc, has NOTHING to do with you and what you have written here. We are NOT just about growing edible gardens. Our FULL AND ONLY FOCUS is on completely pulling out of "The System" in this life, never to return, and growing food is just a small part of it.

What you have blatantly performed here, innocently or not, is exactly the same cointel psyop programming manipulations performed by numerous scam artists including but not limited to Kemble Dawson Walker, Arthur James and Kenny St Pierre.

Sure, on social media you can like a Love For Life Kindom group and an Arthur Cristian Facebook Wall and participate in discussions, etc, etc, but as you have not intimately lived and worked with us over a very long period of time you still have absolutely nothing to do with us and the Love For Life Kindom dream. You are not part of our living family/tribe and this fact is being made clear here so that others do not confuse the Love For Life work with what you are doing/writing/saying/intending here.

To us you are still a complete stranger who has brought nothing of living substance to the Kindom dream, to the Cristian family, etc, and in this light there is no loss because there has been no gain.

You do not have our permission to hijack our real hard working lives creating the Love For Life Kindom dream we live for in this life which includes our characters, values and intentions just for you to cloak them under the false pretences of a 3rd party impersonation as you have written here............................ "My efforts feel futile, as I can't (or unable) see anyone with any drive to make something like LFL's dream happen - IN THIS LIFE - RIGHT NOW! If any soul on the east coast of 'Australia' is interested in THE conciliation, humility, and effort it takes to put something genuine into fruition through REAL group effort. Please tell me."

Just because you have not made the full-responsibility effort of getting fully involved with us over a very long period of "time", here in the Southern Highlands where we live, 50 minutes by car to the east coast ocean shore lines of Australia, does not mean the real every day practical sense hard work going on since March 2005 has not been happening and does not continue being performed for the Love For Life Kindom dream. That is solely your problem and not ours.

You have ONLY been walking the talk of growing food and NOT of co-creating Kindom with us with the clear intent of completely walking away from "The System" in this life never to return.

To repeat, all the destructive e-motions you have on offer here in your post such as but not limited to doubt, uncertainty, confusion, ridicule, dissociation, ignorance, arrogance, righteousness, chaos, conflict, etc, etc, ARE ONLY COMING FROM YOU and have NOTHING to do with us and the Kindom dream.

26th September 2015 4.57pm

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10207717515883977

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Greatest Lie And Liar
Is The One Closest To The Truth
Because They Cause The Greatest Damage Of All


Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
5th April 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au

In "The System", the image of Satanism is that of men and women dressed in black circling churches for a glimpse of the Holy Sacrament and performing rituals. While this is true of those who fall for the image of Satanism provided in "The System", Satanism is actually the practise of persuading men, women and children to give their life force energy to non-sensory images that have no life force energy, thus giving their power away to those images and the men and women who invent the images. This is how MAN becomes enslaved to images that are not present with the presence of life, falling under the power and control of those who persuade them to believe in those images. This article illustrates how the story-telling of Jesus is the craft of Satanism/Freemasonry in practise. This conversation occurred on Arthur's Facebook wall: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10206304107069640

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4th April 2015

Allen Rehbein

The way I see it your still fallen.

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Arthur Cristian

Everyone raised in "The System" and dreaming/determined to leave it in this life is coming out damaged, this includes us. However, we can rise above all the system brainwashing/damage to co-create Kindom in this life. This video explains some of this: Introduction To Kindom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SspPm9wRgo

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Allen Rehbein

Why you, I have Jesus

Jesus is in First party

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Arthur Cristian

LOLLLLLLLLL

So that means Alice In Wonderland is in first party too.

LOLLLLLLLL

So why does Jesus need you to re-present him? Why can't Jesus come forward so we can touch, taste, feel, smell, hear, see, Jesus while we directly experience what Jesus has to say. We don't want to hear you talk for Jesus because you will be lying and committing fraud if you claim anything you say is coming from Jesus or from God and you can't bring either of them forward to back your claims. Are you a liar Allen?

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Allen Rehbein

@ Arthur Cristian why do you keep seeking other. haha, you're a joke.

Jesus spoke, and not all would listen, or hear. It's your loss.

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5th April 2015

The Power Of MAN

MAN is the ONLY one that can set thoughts into motion to give them power, energy. All thoughts are images/pictures containing stories, of storytelling. While MAN continues to focus on the same story-telling, MAN gives the story more and more power and the central characters to the story-telling are given the greatest power of them all.

The life of the MAN is giving more and more life (power) to the pictures/images of those thoughts, all the while being the central first party to the story. There is no one else there besides the MAN. The characters of the story-telling are not there. They are always in third party and MAN is the only first party.

When you get hundreds, thousands, millions of MAN deeply believing in and having immense faith in the "same" story-telling, they collectively give immense power/life to the same story-telling and thus the main central characters are given "life" amongst all of MAN across Earth.

The characters of the Virgin Mary, Jesus, God, etc, come to the believers in 3rd party character and these characters can be directed to others of MAN through the water (consciousness) of MAN'S breath. They can come as apparitions, dreams, visions, visitations, but there is always MAN putting the life-energy into these thought-forms, and they are only ever temporary as they have no real-life-force energy of their own, no free-will, no consciousness. There is nowhere across Earth that we and the generations to come can go and visit them as we can go and visit a tree or a horse or a mountain, or a family.

This tells you the truth of what we are really dealing with here.

Just because someone says they have experienced healings or visitations, voices, peace, heaven, hell, etc, does not mean that the characters and settings are real, just that MAN has put so much life-energy into these images of story-telling that MAN is creating them here and now in present-sense. As we all breath the same breath of life, are all of the dream of life and are all at the affect of each other, these man-made phenomenas occur. And they are phenomena.

As most of MAN are good people with good hearts, whether Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Greeks, Italians, Americans, etc, etc, they all dream for peace, for love, for do no harm, for abundance, joy and freedom, etc, etc, and for health and truth, and thus they create a placebo effect through the central characters of the storytelling they worship, all of which are false/fake-idols. This dreaming can start very young and the life-energy is built up over many years.

The healing that comes to believers in Jesus does not come from Jesus but from the power of the men and women putting all their life-energy into creating the healing through their belief and faith in the 3rd party storytelling of Jesus.

MAN Is The First Party

MAN is the ONLY first party to MANS life-experience. Can anyone bring forward an experience without MAN being a party to that experience, to that thought, to that dream? No one can and no one ever will be able to. We are creating all experiences experienced by MAN. All thoughts of the past and the future needs us (MAN) to exist here and now to think and feel them.

If we do not exist here and now, in present sense, no thoughts of the past or of the future can be thought or felt. The fact is, MANS life-experience is always in present-sense, always in first party. Without MAN existing here and now in present-sense, the dream of life will no longer exist either. Some say, "But the trees, the animals, the earth/nature, will still be here". We say... "But you are a MAN. Imagine there is no MAN existing here and now to hear the question and answer it here and now?"

All the stories of "The System" are the His-stories and Her-Stories, as in storytelling, as in history. Everything has been unnaturally recorded in letters, mathematics and books so that the stories of "The System" remain in present sense.

In every moment, the tree is not the same as it was a moment ago. This is true of all of creation; there is constant unique, original motion of creation in present sense where each instant is unique and original, not one the same as the next. No past can be compared to a future because all moments are unique and original forevermore. Who we are is not another MAN and another MAN has never been who we are. This is unconditional life, as in unconditional love, consciousness, truth, freedom, peace, joy, abundance, do no harm, etc. Why would we covet another MAN under the same picture as us?

Giving Our Power To Images

The Freemasonic/Satanic world has had to get us to keep worshipping the same conditional (unchangeable) story in present sense, with just a few tweaks along the way, throughout the history of "The System". They have to keep the same conditional images in our heads, moment by moment by moment. There is no consciousness in letters, mathematics and books, etc, nothing living, so there is nothing living in the images of Jesus that are presented to us by the religions. They are false idols, fake.

There is no consciousness of unconditional love in any of these false idols so they can never change, which is why all Holy Books are the same. They are all trapped in conditional lies with no life form of unconditional love/life present. The presence of living creator of unconditional love is not present to these lies. We are unable to sense (touch, taste, feel, hear, see, smell) living creator in present sense. We can only imagine and fantasise the idea, the story, of another MAN'S imagining explained, instructed and educated to us.

While nature lives, the his-story of the Bible and Jesus doesn't. While nature co-creates life, the changes experienced instant by instant, the dead corpse buildings of the Church stay the same and eventually rot and decay back into Earth. There is nothing living there and nothing of nature needs them to exist so that it may exist.

The inventor of "The System" of MAN'S spiritual suicide had to come up with a way to make sure that every generation of MAN remains under his image power in present sense. Through education, we enter the rituals of the Church and create the masses of religion that follow the rules and rituals of religion. Churches used to be the hub of the community, the hub of power over MAN through image power which is original sin. The church is the by product of "The System" so, by giving their life-energy to the church, people are giving their life-energy to "The System", thus accepting all the rituals of taxation of "The System", the rituals of government of "The System" and all the ritual of authority of "The System".

The rituals of the church are the rituals of "The System" that we carry out in present sense, here and now, as we are told here and now and their purpose is to get us to fall into belief in a past and a future so that we fall into the trap of their storytelling and their his-story/her-story. We have become generations of MAN enchanted by entertainment to enslavement throughout our lives, all under the image power of the images of the inventor of "The System".

The Placebo Effect

The placebo affect is the mass rituals of all of us worshipping images of "The System" in present sense, moment by moment, e-motionally bonded to the lies. The lie of time and calendars keep us worshipping certain dates, as in Christmas, Easter, anniversaries, the Olympic Games, birthdays and ageing so that we are being controlled by images of a past here and now and so that we project images of a future here and now as we give our life-energy to the his-story of the images we worship.

What are you offering, Allen? Are you bringing forward the living with the consciousness of life for us to co-create with or are you offering only dead images of false idols? If you can't bring forward Jesus as a first party, then you are admitting to being an ambassador for a man-made Satan and that you are here to destroy us and destroy those who follow the images you offer because there is nothing living for the living in what you have to offer. All you are offering is MAN to the experience of the story of Jesus. You are offering the enslavement of your belief in Jesus.

The sun shines only here and now. All MAN'S thoughts occur only here and now. Those who sold out to Freemasonry had to come up with a trick to get MAN to forget here and now and bring thoughts of the past and future into present sense so that they are no longer the first experience of the dream of life and can be easily persuaded to give up our life energy to the storytelling that we have been subjected to since we were very young. If those behind "The System" don't have a way to control us in present sense, they have no power and control over us.

The Intent Behind The Dream

The intent of the priest behind "The System" was to trap MAN in "The System" through the invention of belief systems and it is the intent of good hearted men and women that makes good things happen within those belief systems. It is the INTENT to do good that sets our good hearts into motion to do the healing. The real love of those who believe in Jesus is beneficial if it is used for helping and healing MAN and MANS Earth/Nature but it is also what has been used to trap them in "The System".

The placebo effect is the bubble that is the storytelling of "The System", full of characters and settings, none of which are present with the presence of life, that living MAN is dragged into by giving MAN'S energy to the story. But there is nothing living there except MAN, it is all just a story. MAN is the only one present with the presence of life in the story in the bubble. Nothing else is living. This is true of everything of "The System", all the system stories that we put our energy into, giving up full responsibility for our lives and giving up who we really are as MAN.

First Party Or Third Party Dreaming?

Imagine you have a piece of land and you dream for a house on that land. There is nothing on the land but nature, just the dream of the house. There are no bedrooms or bathrooms, no windows or doors. There are no children running in and out to the garden and no husband and wife calling out to each other. But when you build the home and you bring your partner to the house and bring up a family in the house, there is a whole history of life in the house. You are creating the dream, living the dream.

This is the same when Freemasons create a religion. They come up with the story-telling of the religion they are dreaming and then they build the props and settings for those stories. Then they build the church to be the stage for the religion and they bring in men and women to act out the stories of the religion through the rituals the men and women learn to perform for the religion.

We can make a living home and have living men, women and children in it, everything in first party, but when they create a religion, it is all in third party with men, women and children acting out the stories of the religion without ever experiencing the first party presence of the characters in the religion's story. There is the dream of Jesus and the Virgin Mary but neither of them are present with the presence of life inside the church but, through their belief, the believers create the apparitions and the tears on the Virgin Mary and, experiencing what they have created, they think that they are experiencing Jesus and the Virgin Mary, not realising that they are just characters in a story that has been fed to them. The only presence of life comes from the living men, women and children present in the church in present sense.

The family home exists because we dreamt for the family home, and we can pass on the dream of the family home to our children and grandchildren. The church is also a dream, made up by those who dreamt it, and this dream can also be passed down to the children and grandchildren of the believers as well as to the orders and fraternities of those who dreamt the religion. Everyone in the dream of the religion experiences the life of all the men and women in the religion, just as we can experience the life of the family in the home, but one is real and the other isn't.

The difference is that the family created their first party dream of the family home whereas everyone in the religion is creating someone else's dream, a third party dream that is not theirs and is actually alien to them because they had to be educated into it. This situation is the same with government, law, politics, etc. Without people being educated into "The System", there would be no law, no Parliament House, no Court House, no Holy House.

The common denominator of the two dreams is that living MAN is inside both dreams and neither dream can exist without MAN. The dream of religion is created by someone who wants others to come into their dream and give it their life, but the dream of the family home is a dream just for the family.

Whose Dream Do You Worship?

For religions to take off, the creators of the religions had to persuade other men and women to put their life energy into the religion, which they often do by invading and decimating tribes and then offering their religion as a cure, a remedy for their woes. The intent of all the good men and women of a church are what we can experience when we go to a thriving church but this is all we are experiencing. All the characters of the religion, Jesus, the Virgin Mary, the angels and archangels sitting by God in heaven will never be experienced because they are characters in a story, just as Alice in Wonderland is a character in a story.

We experience the intent of the men and women behind the stories that we give our life force energy to to create the outcomes of those dreams. What we experience is the intent of the dreaming of the men and women behind the stories that we give our life force energy to to create the outcomes of those dreams and all the healings we experience, the euphoria, the speaking in tongues, etc, are created by the men and women present.

There is nothing mysterious about any of this. We are the only first parties to the experience. The Bible is a self-fulfilling prophecy because it is the intent of the creators of the Bible being created by all the men and women who put their life force energy into the stories of the Bible set to the time codes of those outcomes.

This is the placebo effect that those behind "The System" want to extend to the NWO that will encompass the whole of Earth with all of MAN as believers in the new religion that is the NWO.

While giving our life-energy to the bubble, we are all at the affect of everyone else who is giving their energy to the same bubble. It is the doubt and uncertainty of the Stockholm Syndrome of the placebo effect that produces the e-motional reactions of believers when their beliefs are challenged. If they were not caught up in belief systems but remembered who they really were as MAN, they would not fall into belief systems because they would already have everything they need to live powerful, free lives of full responsibility.

Letting Go Of The Stories

We can continue with good heartedness and the beneficial acts, but we can let go of the storytelling that keeps us trapped in "The System" as educated slaves. All religions require education, instruction and explanation to set "The System" of their education into slavery in motion. All people who espouse religion are educated slaves because they are all trapped in "The System". "The System" of 3rd party, is the church, the mosque, the synagogue, the temple, etc. Today's temples are also called the UN, the EU, NATO, Government, Banks, Private Corporations, etc, etc. The same Freemasonic orders are behind them all.

A Christian being "saved" is a trick. Why would the creator of unconditional love want us to be "saved" when we already are all the virtues of unconditional love. Just because we have given unconditional love up does not mean it is still not there. We are the problem - we have been trained to give up unconditional love but the unconditional love is still there.

Why would the creator of unconditional love create MAN to be less than unconditional love? Do you dream to create children to be less than you? Or do you dream for children to be even greater than you? Would the creator who created MAN dream for MAN to be less than the creator, less than unconditional love?

Everything in third party is what corrupts unconditional love because unconditional love has nothing to do with third party. Only our brothers and sisters who have turned against unconditional love, against living creator, would dream such crimes, set into motion such lies and act out such fraud. Everything has gone wrong because MAN has given up unconditional love - nothing else is happening here.

Where Does The Information Come From?

Did the information from the stories all these Jesus worshippers give their life-energy to come from direct sensory experience with nature, first party to first party?

Did each of them find the information from their unique, original experience with the life form of Jesus and Christianity or were they exposed to 3rd party re-presentatives of Jesus, men and women already got at, already brainwashed into the mass assimilation of a Freemasonic designed placebo effect?

Which came first, the exposure to the image-power coming from an educated slave or direct sensory experience with nature?

Did they learn everything about Jesus from books and other men and women telling them about it or did the trees, the birds, the mountains, rivers, wind, rain, sunlight tell them everything about Jesus?

Have they ever met Jesus and had a unique, original, direct first party experience with Jesus? And if so, what is his physical address so that millions of MAN can visit him whenever they want to. Please don't tell us that this Jesus only comes with exclusivity and privilege, outside unconditional love and that we have to accept all the images of Jesus given to us by others before we can have access to Jesus, that we have to believe in and worship Jesus before we can talk to him. Have we not all been given eyes, ears, noses, etc so that we can sense everything of the dream of life? Are these not good enough for Jesus? Do we have to pass an initiation before we can have access to Jesus?

A baby already has air to breathe, water to drink, food to eat, the sun shining, the forests, the mountains, rivers and seas. Living creator has never abandoned the child, has never made life conditional for the child, yet this Jesus, Bible, etc, is conditional and requires the child to be brainwashed to accept Jesus into his/her life, heart. What goes on here? Why does Jesus come as a third party needing others to re-present him in third party? The trees and mountains don't need any third party representation. They are always first parties. Can you not see/sense the deception?

Leaving The Third Parties Behind

To our way of thinking, the real MAN whose story has been twisted into the Biblical story of Jesus refused to have anything to do with 3rd party churches or anything of "The System". This happens to anyone who wakes up and realises what is going on. There is no exclusivity or privilege with this. The Great MAN destroyed everything in third party because it was fake. Like all others before him and since, the commitment was to leave Egypt, Babylon and Rome (The System) and walk away, returning to first party direct sensory experience with nature where living creator is in first party and where we all are in first party.

This includes walking away from the third party church and the third party Bible and third party Holy Books because everyone caught up in religion has made their bed in "The System", just as all those in religion today have made their bed in "The System". All the ringleaders, the High Priests behind the religions, were not only the inventors of these third party stories, they have also made their beds in "The System" of their story-telling, which is where they get all of their power and control over MAN. This is what it's all about, the man-made Freemasonic/Satanic trick.

We have no problem with you revering living creator and setting into motion all the virtues of unconditional love, we just don't like the third party storytelling of Jesus because it does immense harm as MAN becomes irresponsible, passing all MAN'S power, MAN'S lives, over to the Church and Jesus, no longer taking full responsibility for MAN'S life. They become puppets on a string which is why harm continues to come amongst us despite the millions of Christians across Earth.

This is why we still have injustice, inequality, dog eat dog, suffering, poverty, starvation, homelessness, sickness, disease, uncertainty, fear, doubt, destructive e-motions, etc, etc, etc. This is also why we have third party government and third party man-made laws, giving our full-responsibility to others to rule over us. And all this came out of the Church of the Bible.

To us, billions of MAN have all been brainwashed into accepting third parties to rule duped-fallen-MAN. We have been trained to give up full responsibility in first party. All the third party countries of the third party Western World started like this, with very few exceptions.

The Freemasonic/Satanic world is behind the third party Bible. It is the blueprint of their third party system and their long-term agendas.

This is why we always challenge people about whether they are coming in first party or third party. It becomes obvious that, if we have been trained to be under third party storytelling, we have been tricked. They can only act as third parties on behalf of third parties that do not exist.

This is why we challenge you about the Bible, Jesus and the Church. It is all in third party and shows the handiwork of our brothers and sisters who have deceived us. We have been trapped into their storytelling, conned into creating a placebo effect of our own making that becomes our "mass" collective Stockholm Syndrome, "The System", enslaved to "The System", enslaved to the High Priests of Freemasonry/Satanism, fighting for our enslavement.

The Rituals That Keep System Stories In Present Sense

The mass of the Roman Catholic Church, the mass of the Church Of England, Holy Days, including Easter and Christmas, Ramadan, etc. These are all Satanic rituals that started with a man-made story and the telling has been passed on from generation to generation with men and women giving them their life-energy so that the stories become a rolling stone of enslavement, gathering more and more slaves as they roll along under the name of Jesus, the Church and Christianity. This is "The System" of your enslavement, Allen, and you want us to join in.

This mass harvesting of MAN'S life-energy is what gives the Freemasonic/Satanic world the life-energy it needs to feed the Stockholm Syndrome of their slaves. The harvesting also occurs at other mass occultic practises such as the Olympic Games, World Cups, Royal Weddings, Assassinations such as JFK, Martin Luther King and Diana Spencer. It is the placebo affect that causes MAN to participate in these rituals and to celebrate the anniversaries of them every year, all the while they, and all those behind "The System" are only celebrating their destruction.

Living creator never asked us to become part of a mass occultic practise which is what you are offering here. We are all supposed to be unique, and original, not following each other as educated slaves. None of this has to do with unconditional love. Education is all about conditional love/life, which is what you are offering us. Your Jesus is conditional.

MAN can be pulled into creating a placebo effect through love, through good intentions. Under the fog of our education, we can be misled through fantasy, illusion and delusion to think that our love for Jesus comes from Jesus when it actually comes from all the good hearted men and women who have given their love to the third party image of Jesus, which then bounces back at others who have given their love to the third party image of Jesus. The love is from the first party good men and women, not the image of Jesus.

All this phenomena is caused by education, instruction and explanation, the echoes of third party, man-made non-sense that have been put in our heads. These echoes are reflections bouncing to and fro between your ears and all you are offering through your image of Jesus is the shadow of what does not exist, the trademark of Satan, the God of darkness, all of this man-made.

All this deception is done through destructive e-motions, such as doubt, uncertainty, distrust, trauma, fear, weakness, hopelessness, despair, loneliness, emptiness, directionlessness, anger, hatred, greed, selfishness, envy, jealousy, covetousness, etc. This is what we do to children when we attack them with third party rubbish. We traumatise them so they become easily manipulated and pliable. None of this has anything to do with unconditional love. When we come from unconditional love we don't need God or Jesus because we already are all that and we have already got all that in nature; we do not need to be got at.

If Jesus has helped you so much, can we come and visit you and your family and the wider community that you are part of and see how Jesus is helping you live apart from "The System", living a do no harm, life is a gift path, not reliant on slaves to provide you with what you need?

Taking Responsibility Here And Now

One of the greatest duality traps of Christianity is the image of heaven and an "after-life" where Christians live their spiritual lives in Paradise while the rest of us rot. While Christians prepare for this spiritual life while they are on Earth, they forget about taking full responsibility for what is happening on Earth here and now. So they continue being consumers and destroyers of Earth, our gift from living creator, thinking that it doesn't matter because of the Paradise they have in their dreaming.

However, would living creator be happy to accept them into another Paradise if they have wreaked this one? Shouldn't we clean up our old house before moving to a new one? If you lent somebody a house and they trashed it, would you be willing to lend them another one? Why would living creator be willing to let MAN into Heaven when MAN continues to trash Earth, taking no responsibility? Why should living creator trust MAN not to wreak Paradise?

The love and goodness of MAN'S heart will always be here in fist party amongst the living but the third party stories and characters come and go. We, MAN, are the common denominators and we all have free will which means that we have absolute power to create what we are dreaming. We are the only first parties to all the third party storytelling that has ever been invented.

We have no problems with living creator in MAN setting into motion the virtues of unconditional love and that MAN has been gifted with free will which is all about full responsibility for life. This is why we say that words such as Jesus, God, Christ, consciousness, free will, etc, mean full responsibility for everything we think, feel and do.

The Church, Jesus, Bible, etc, is all in third party and always will be and, when we believe in them, we are using our free will to give up our free will, to give up taking full responsibility for everything we think, feel and do, passing it all over to the image makers of what we worship. They are clever Freemasonic/Satanic tricks that trap us in third party and trap us in their Satanic world (The System). MAN is always in first party to the story telling, whatever the story telling, and the stories are always in third party.

Allen, you can't bring forward first party Jesus or Christianity. All you can bring forward is first party MAN acting as educated slaves in third party. If you can't bring forward a first party Jesus, you are just a re-presentative of the Satanic world who has sold his soul to it.

Give us the MAN and not the story-telling of a man.

An enormous difference here.

Same Old, Same Old

No matter what area of "The System" we examine, we will find the same scenario going on. MAN, present with the presence of life giving up MAN'S life force energy to images that are not present with the presence of life, the lifeless characters and settings of the images in the bubble. This is why we do not accept the bubble that is the story of Jesus because it is just the twisting of the actions of a good hearted MAN who was not afraid to stand up for the truth to suit the agendas of those who offer us with those images. Our good hearts are drawn into the bubble because we admire the goodness of the character of Jesus but with that, we are conned into accepting all the rules and rituals of Christianity that keep us trapped in "The System".

The banking system, the government, law and politics are the same. They are all third parties but good hearted men and women get sucked into the good hearted messages of fairness, justice, and equality. Our doubt and uncertainty make us think that we need them so we give our power to them, not realising that, by doing so, we are actually destroying who we really are and what we are really part of.

The greatest lies and liars are the ones closest to the truth that cause the greatest damage of all. The goodness of our hearts that have us attracted to the goodness of the stories of "The System" also make us accept the lies mixed in with the truth that make sure that we can never be free.

We are so confused about what is good and what is right that we don't know how to rout out the lies of third party that destroy us. The "goodness" of "The System", combined with our doubt and uncertainty about who we really are, has us look for and accept the "good" politician, the "good" law and the "good" priest, not realising that, if we didn't give our good heartedness away to the "good" of "The System", instead being the goodness in our lives, moment by moment, we wouldn't need politicians, laws, priests or anything else of "The System". We doubt the goodness in us so we get sucked into looking for goodness in third parties.

Instead of finding our interest and joy through our first party interaction with each other and all of nature, we turn to third party "entertainment" to experience joy and excitement through what others are doing. We watch the sunset on our televisions while the real sun sets outside, ignored.

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Exposing The "Good Guys"

Those behind "The System" manipulate the good heartedness of MAN on all levels of "The System" and to further their system agenda. Again, the placebo effect is used to draw us into stories that steer all of MAN into accepting the progress of "The System" that suits those behind "The System", all the while allowing us to think that we are making the changes and steering "The System" in better directions.

"We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us" is the term used to describe how we are moulded and manipulated into fighting for the outcomes that have already been planned for us by those in control. "The System" has controlled "Good Guys" and controlled "Bad Guys", all of whom play out the scenarios of controlled opposition for us to follow, cheering or booing as the characters perform their roles.

The "Good Guys" of today are coming out of the Freemasonic/Satanic "orders" which contain all the secret knowledge of their brethren's nefarious achievements ("Bad Guys") as recorded in all their books of their "ages", their his-story/her-story (history). Thus we have all the secrets about the Rockefellers coming out, the secrets about underhand government dealings, about mind-control victims, Bohemian Grove, etc, as the "Good Guys" reveal almost all the truth of the past doings of their brotherhoods and sisterhoods. They are revealing the real truth behind the church, the law, the criminal organisations, the agendas, the recorded history, etc, and telling us who to blame, who the "Bad Guys" are that must be stopped.

Our good hearts respond to these revelations and we see the "Good Guys" as brave heroes risking everything to bring us the truth. Some of these "Good Guys" are David Icke, Kevin Annette, Frank O'Collins, Jordan Maxwell, Russell Brand, Sasha Stone and many, many more. They seem to be giving us the information that will lead to our freedom, to the lives we dream of and the many different personalities and angles they offer make sure that there is someone for nearly everyone to follow.

Their influence over us is fashioned to lead us willingly from our present prison enclosure into the next one that is the New World Order (NWO), a totalitarian one world government, one world religion, one world currency, one world language, eco-friendly, consciousness, oneness, feel good/feel God system where we are under total control of those behind "The System". This NWO will seem like the answer to our problems but it is just the next version of "The System" with no change to the agenda of power and control over all of MAN.

How to spot the "Good Guys"? They have all made their bed in "The System" and thus everything they do, stand for and live for defaults to "The System" too, and everyone sucked into following them also defaults to "The System", which is the plan of the masters of the "Good Guys".

All the explained, instructed, educated Freedom, Truth, Consciousness, Science, Peace, Abundance, Joy, etc, of the "Good Guys" is in and of "The System", never outside "The System", so the restless slaves never see their way to true freedom from "The System". The slaves have been persuaded from one system enclosure into another, all the while thinking that things are improving for them and their fellow men and women.

Watch out, things are NOT what they seem.

The greatest lie and liar is the one closest to the truth because they cause the greatest damage of all.

Anyone who appears to be a "Good Guy" but has made their bed in "The System", is causing destruction to MAN and all of life, whether consciously or not. What we should be doing is getting out of "The System" in this life and not trying to improve slavery conditions within "The System".

We invite anyone to prove the insights we have shared here to be false, because if no one can can't, we need to ask each other why we are still doing this? Why are we still making slaves out of each other? Why are we still fighting for government, constitution, money, democracy, etc? Why are we not focusing all our life-energy on creating the Kindom remedy that gets us away from all this and back to living lives as free MAN on the land?

Introduction To Kindom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SspPm9wRgo

To explore and fully comprehend the remedy of Kindom that we live and stand for, go to the home page of the Love For Life website and scroll down from the top reading and watching everything: http://loveforlife.com.au

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

The Cristian Family November 2006

It's That Fine Line Between A Community
That Can Do This By Stepping Out Of "The System"
And A Community Locked Into Agenda 21
As Part Of The NWO

Conversation Copied from the Love For Life Kindom Group

1st May 2015

Link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1434747556816918/1456474224644251

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Arthur Cristian

It's that fine line between a community that can do this by stepping out of "The System" and a community locked into Agenda 21 as part of the NWO.

The issue is nature itself and access to the abundance being co-created to provide what the community needs over and above the man-power for all other services and needs required to keep such a transitory life possible. It can ONLY be seen as being transitory as in the Mud Room.

Getting families back on to land taking full-responsibility for their lives, food, water, shelter is where it all needs to be heading.

The Anastasia model of 1 hectare per family is awesome and to us is the way to go.

This is where Kindoms can be co-created right in the heart of suburbia, using large apartment blocks as temporary hubs of the Mud Room to house everyone while the suburbs get recycled into one hectare kin-domains with all the community involved in making all this happen for everyone - this also "means" Kindoms will continue to spread out and out and out and out and out and out until every family is cared for.

Freedom is going to come off the back of very hard work over many many years.

It's either that or very few of us existing in the years to come thanks to the Earth fever of MANS collective making. One scenario that would not surprise us is for those of MAN who make it waking up one "morning" to find most people are no longer here anymore. It happens because they were already not here by the way they were dreaming their fake-lives in present-sense. They collectively created/dreamt it.

29 April at 13:09

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Scott Andrews

And being right in the middle of suburbia makes it easier for people to get involved, as compared to out of town a ways.

Yesterday at 05:17

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Eka Bright

nice, but that's not really the idea of independence, nature, food growing, being self sustainable ...

3 hrs

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Arthur Cristian

It's one scenario of many that can be applied as a stepping stone of the Mud Room process for returning to Kindom.

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Eka Bright

it is, but yet an entirely different scenario from ours going back to nature and being self sufficient

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Jaba Art

How many "Mud Room" communities got hijacked and found the way out or stay in the Mud Room ...? The "permitted" trauma in the Mud Room are huge ... (the ones who are the closets to the truth) will have a heard time to break this "last link" to the system!

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Arthur Cristian

For most of us we have to use "The System" to get out of "The System" in this life never to return to it.

It is all in the intent. There is no need for everyone to go cold-turkey overnight. For many they need to be inspired through simple ways to help them overcome the most crippling doubt and uncertainty plaguing them so that they are capable of going all the way, yes gradually in this life, and well within a 20 year time frame. Ideally 5 years is more than enough.

The determination is to train our bodies to be capable of naturally living without electricity, gas, air-conditioning, etc, as well as the gradual letting go of all prosthetics too.

Becoming full on living raw-food eaters eating straight from the food forests being a huge part of this shift from highly addictive slave-based lifestyles to a true, living, do no harm, freedom way of life. This includes remembering who we really are because then we will change the climate, transform the living standards for all of MAN across Earth, heal all of Earth very fast (less than 50 years) and recycle everything of the dead world that is "The System" back to dirt (so to speak) in this life. within 100 years too.

Unless we all are willing to re-learn how to be selfless the return to paradise will never happen for most and "The System" of slavery will continue until almost the whole of Earth is forced into an Earth fever where very few of us will make it. The consequences are massive, probably beyond most peoples present comprehension.

Refer to the other posts Arthur put up on the wall today.

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Jaba Art

The question i have is: Will WE be able to Dream "the same" Dream of No Harm Kindom ... but so that everyone stay in his own uniqueness! Is a double work on each of us, to remember our own uniqueness and to remember LIFE as a such! Copy/paste Dreams would not be unique ...

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Arthur Cristian

Also, we are all different, there is NO one shoe fits all for everyone to return to paradise. "All roads lead to Rome" can be applied to a vast variety of Mud Room pathways leading to Kindom too. As long as the intent is to return to a "life is a gift on a do no harm path" most of us will make it in this life. If the intent for Paradise is not there then be prepared for the worst case scenarios to unfold within the next 5 years.

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Jaba Art

Yes is not about doubt ... as long as we get on the road to KINDOM "we will find us in ROMA" HAHA (reversed AMOR = LOVE ) is more about "Creating a WASTE COMMUNITY" within 5years, No Harm, no Trauma, Life is a gift Many think about HOW TO ORGANISE ... WHERE DO WE HAVE LAND etc. etc ... and this NOT how we will be able to CREATE DREAM OF KINDOM! Expectations is TRAUMA

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Arthur Cristian

The key is in the children being given the true freedom of not being educated. They and their children will take Kindom paradise to where it really needs to go. For the rest of us already raised in the education of "The System", we will all be coming out of it "severely damaged" and as long as our intent is there to be selfless we will work together for the greater good of all and heal and heal as we bring in the necessary changes, sooner rather than later.

Overcoming doubt and uncertainty being PARAMOUNT. If we don't achieve this shortly our way forward will be through war, civil unrest, chaos, pestilence, plagues, malnutrition, starvation, genocide, immense poverty, homelessness, terrible crimes, injustice, etc, etc, and this unnatural culling process will be so severe that few of us will more than likely make it because the Earth fever will kick in too, thanks to the collective creation of MANS impure and insincere thoughts/dreams/e-motions set into motion.

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Eka Bright

there is land but no willing participants in the most cases; as Arthur (for us not living in aus) is far way we could come together in europe

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Arthur Cristian

Becoming selfless is all about letting go. The heart of MAN sets free land, "money", etc, for Kindom to happen. Some of the the most important reasons already covered in the "Welcome, everybody!" sticky at the top post of this Kindom Group FB wall and which includes the Into To Kindom video. It is all in the intent. If MANS heart does not want to open up where you are living then you need to move your family where MANS heart is already opening up. So be it if you have to journey across Earth to be with Brothers-Sisters determined for co-creating Kindom in this life. We have free will - make sure we use it wisely.

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Jaba Art

Mud Room's can be created all over RE-Learning to living in nature with nature The whole point comes down on really breaking away from the system and NEVER COME BACK! Thats the critical point! And yes WE HAVE TO BE TOGETHER FOR THIS. I fully get this point of Arthur Cristian the pressure from the system will be so huge we need allot of fully non traumatised no harm Man/woman/child with allot of LOVE and to stand this pressure and stay and keep the Kindom save!

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Arthur Cristian

Kindom starts with MAN then comes the land. No matter where we are, we are already on land. The problem is with MAN and it is there where we blossom Kindom out of.

The land is NOT the issue.

"Community Immunity" is critical and many of us have to sacrifice almost everything including attachments to family for Kindom to happen. To serve the greater good of MANS dream of life down-the-line, it is up to us to make it happen in this life.

The consequences are massive if we don't make these most important changes in our lives. There are many whom we all deeply love but they do not live for Kindom as we do and they will never take us to Kindom in this life, While we remain attached to them we continue on hells journey towards the spiritual suicide "The System" offers, Sadly, most of our loved ones are heading to hell.

Don't be misguided by our deep love for family for it was our families/ancestors misguided deep love for us that led us all into this terrible mess in the first instance.

We must learn from our ancestors mistakes real-fast and NOT repeat them.

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Arthur Cristian

The "future of Kindom in present-sense is with the children. It is our full-responsibility to set our children free from "The System". Many of us will come to live the lives of our descendants but this is determined by what we achieve in this life. Kindom is up to us, to each of us to make happen in this life.

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Dancing With Magic (Lies) by Arthur & Fiona Cristian Love For Life September 2015 - Videos, Articles, Comments & Pending E-Book

The Cristian Family November 2006

Dancing With Magic (Lies)


Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
September 2015

Copy of the email sent to the Love For Life mailing list today, 15th September 2015.

Hi everyone, Over the past week or so we've been uploading our latest videos called Dancing With Magic (Lies) Parts 1, 2, 3, 4 and with more to follow. They are all Embedded below. Please check YouTube, the home page of the Love For Life website and the Love For Life Facebook walls for details when they come out. We also made a video as an introduction for the Love for Life Kindom Facebook Group 6th March 2015. These videos, along with the Love For Life post "Can You Spot The E-Go - Where's Wally?" and the home page (extensively updated over the last 5 months) of the Love For Life website, starting from the top, is all going to become part of the new Dancing With Magic e-book coming out over the coming months, full of illustrations.

As usual, we offer the challenge for anyone to prove to us that what we share is false. If you can't, then you need to seriously examine all the belief systems you are living your lives out of, because what we say goes against all of them.

We all have the FULL-responsibility to start making the changes necessary if we are to get out of "The System" in this life, which is just the dream of another MAN who conned us into giving up our unique, original dreams for creating the unique, original dreams of the MAN that we were all meant to create, dream and live for in this life as those dreams, here and now, in present sense, in this life.

To us, this is at the heart of everything that has been going wrong with MAN since MAN fell from pure and sincere relationships with MAN and nature and started to do harm to MAN and nature. We are doing harm to the dream of MAN'S dream of life. This desecration should never have happened.

It is a conflict in MAN'S dreaming that has created the chaos that is "The System", requiring fake, orchestrated order to that engineered chaos that is the dreams of desecration that destroy the uniqueness and originality of MAN, our children. These system dreams make our children believe they are less than a MAN so they create their whole lives in that image. Raised in "The System", we are those children, desecrated because our sacredness was never protected. This is how MAN fell from Paradise.

When we dream another MAN'S dream, this is what we see so when we give our life force energy to "The System", this is what we see and create around us, even though this is the sacrifice of the creation of our unique, original dreams. The dream of "The System" has become our God. The deeply tortured and crucified MAN on the cross re-presents our/MANS fallen "state" in "The System". All who have fallen, thanks to 3rd party education, instruction, explanation and suggestions are now being ruled by other men and women claiming the higher ground. All who have fallen are less than a MAN. You cannot be in "The System" and remain in it without being fallen.

Our focus is not the New World Order with its One World Government, etc, and all the conspiracies and theories being sent around because this is just "The System" under another guise that we will still have to labour for, giving our life force energy to. What we are really focusing on is the way ANY man-made system takes away each MAN'S unique original dreaming for MAN'S life THAT IS NATURE/EARTH/CREATION/LIFE, which is the paradise of MAN'S unique, original dreaming set into motion here and now, in present sense, as this life.

When we hijack innocent children from creating their unique, original dreams as MAN, what we get is "The System" which is just the dreams of another MAN that we have been conned into dreaming. Being hijacked from direct sensory experience with nature, we've allowed 3rd party impostors, faking the information used for the dreaming of our unique, original lives, to steer us towards creating fake lives in the image, the dreams, of the intentions of these liars and fraudsters.

This is why nearly all of us know that things aren't right, even if we can't put our fingers on what, how and why. In the Dancing With Magic (Lies) videos, the coming Dancing With Magic (Lies) e-book, and Love For Life posts that we are providing links to below, we show how and why everything is going wrong. We have zoomed in on the schematic diagram of "The System" and exploded it in great detail so that its rot is there for all to see/sense. Now the truth is clear for all to see and there is nowhere to hide from it anymore. No one can turn around and say they did not know and use it as an excuse to continue running rackets of harm and destruction.

To keep the destruction going without feeling the consequences of the how we are all living, we have developed enormous apathy and denial reactionary programs that defend us from facing reality, showing up as deep, trauma based blind spots of fantasy, illusion and delusion that flood our thinking/dreaming so that our brains are cluttered with this white noise distraction so we never fully-connect with our soul, the dreaming for the creation of the unique, original MAN we are all meant to be creating and expanding in this life. The distractions also come in the form of wealth, materialism, etc, but they all come with the cost of massive destruction. All our benevolent efforts to help the homeless, sick, poor, etc, can never be more than bandaids because all the problems are stemming from "The System" itself that we are all supporting day by day in our system lives.

The blind spots keep us giving our life force energy to "The System" so that the trauma keeps us glued to and fighting for "The System", literally to the death, so that we never break away from labouring for these fraudulent, lying dreams. We really believe we are doing the right thing in "The System", that we all know what the truth is, but we show how the goodness of our hearts has been used against us to deceive us into believing the lies that tell us we have the "right" truth. Arrogance, righteousness, indifference, ridicule and abuse are all part of the blind spots that perpetuate "The System".

The harm gives it away - where there is harm, is not truth. In this Love For Life work, you are going to see truth staring at you. Nobody owns truth, there is no exclusivity and privilege with truth. Only lies and liars claim truth and educate others into living and being these lies. All we do is expose the lies and all the harm so that we can all walk away from the lies and harm. We are not telling everybody how to live the creation of their unique, original, do no harm lives, just showing them what is preventing them from doing so. Again, the apathy and denial comes into play because we feel that we cannot do anything, that the problem is too big to change. The doubt and uncertainty that was introduced into our thinking from when we were babies means that we cling to "The System" where only dreams with doubt and uncertainty can flourish.

Our true freedom is not going to fall in our laps. It is going to come off the back of very hard work because there is no one to save us, no saviour, messiah, pied piper. We are the only ones who can save us from making prisoners out of all of us.

The moment we were educated into another MAN'S dream, we became slaves, and no matter how much money you have in "The System", how many gadgets, how much system power, you are still a slave making slaves out of all those around you. Then it comes down to who amongst us has the guts to make the drastic changes that we need to make if we are to return to lives of freedom, peace, joy, abundance and do not harm for all of life, in this life.

The New World Order means ONLY destruction to all of life, including MAN and to continue in the direction of the New World Order is complete annihilation for the vast majority of men, women and children, if not all of us. "The System" of anti-life, is the blatant intent to cause death to the soul of all of MAN in this life which means that we can only go so far in supporting "The System" before it destroys all of life, all of us, IN THIS LIFE. This clearly shows how deep the denial and apathy goes. Many of us across Earth have either given up and don't give a stuff about all of us or they really believe they are saved and or infallible. They have all been lied to. They are all passing the buck.

There is NO freedom to be found in "The System", NO everlasting remedy that gets everyone and everything living of nature/earth freedom, peace, joy, abundance, no loss of uniqueness and originality and no slaves and rulers, in this life.

As always, it is the effort that we put into creating the remedy to the problems that we face that will get us all out of this terrible mess in this life. Talking about it, reading about it, writing about it and thinking about it does nothing. It is all in the doing.

Along with the three Dancing With Magic (Lies) videos, is an article called "Can You Spot The E-Go - Where's Wally?", which is a collection of very recent Facebook and YouTube discussions, particularly some involving men and women who come with the intent of causing division, conflict and controversy. We have long been observing the Intel agents who frequent the Love For Life website and the Arthur Cristian and other Facebook walls, particularly the new Love for Life Kindoms Group that has been set up by supporters for those who are truly passionate about doing what it takes to create Kindom in this life. This Facebook Group has received huge sabotage attempts. Many of the discussions in "Can You Spot The E-Go - Where's Wally?" illustrate the tactics of intel in our lives in great detail. A lot has transpired since the beginning of March 2014 onwards that has inspired us so deeply to bring out truth in an idiot-friendly manner. We are more than confident that we have achieved this.

Along with the videos and the article, the Love For Life website home page is vital reading and watching for anyone serious about getting out of "The System" in this life. If you really want to fully comprehend the big picture about why we need to get out of "The System" in this life, you are going to need to burn the candle and put the effort in because there is NO remedy to be found anywhere in "The System" and everyone pushing remedy within "The System" is lying and committing fraud, misleading everyone who is still naive and vulnerable to the blind spots of trauma that continue to rule them.

"The System" is trauma and everything of "The System" is the blind spots of trauma misleading you from returning to your soul and creating and expanding that in this life. The tentacles of the Freemasonic/Satanic Hydra are so extensive that most still get sucked into lies that they believe are truth that will lead them to freedom. This is because they are still unwilling to take full responsibility for creating their unique, original lives because they have been spoonfed all their lives, told since they were babies how to think and feel and what to do all of their lives. The denial and the apathy about this goes so deep that most do not want to look at it but, unless we face this monster of our creation, E-GO, we will never free our real lives from its clutches.

What we have come to realise is that we are not being held back by lack of money or land or the "right" people. What is stopping us all get together to walk away from "The System" is the trauma of doubt and uncertainty that we all carry from being raised under the brainwashing of "The System". It is this trauma that keeps us in a state of apathy and denial so that, in spite of our good intentions, nothing ever changes. It is the trauma of our doubt and uncertainty that needs to be overcome if we are to live the Magnificent Lives that make the do no harm changes we dream to see, in this life.

Along with two articles that are soon to be finished, the Love For Life work discussed above is to be integrated into a Dancing With Magic (Lies) e-book that will be the finished work of Love For Life. We sense that we have achieved what we set out to do in terms of working out what has happened to us all, why we are in such a mess and what we have to do, in an everyday practical sense, to get out of "The System" of harm-doing in this life. We no longer wish to spend so much of our waking lives on the computers but intend to focus more on actively co-creating Kindom, networking with others who share the same dream, being with the family and expanding the garden.

Warning!!!!!!! There is swearing in the Dancing With Magic videos and Part 1 is very intense. Please be aware that it is not our intention to be offensive, it is just that sometimes swear words seem to be the best way to describe the horror of what we have gone through and what we are all supporting and maintaining in our system lives. We do not intend any attacks on anyone so please be aware that any offence you feel is coming from you, is not coming from us because it is not our intention to offend! It is your trauma rearing its ugly head, not ours!

Arthur and Fiona Cristian
Love For Life

Dancing With Magic (Lies)

Dancing With Magic Part One shows how we have all been mesmerised and enchanted into giving "The System" our life force energy when, to do so, means the death of who we are as MAN and the death of the creation of MAN'S life. We have all been deceived, including those who believe they will reap rewards in the after-life if they continue the dream to destroy all of MAN/earth/nature. The video also discusses the e-go; how we are trained to create it and project it into the fantasies of "The System" so that we keep re-creating "The System".

Dancing With Magic Part Two continues to expand on some of the themes touched on in Dancing With Magic Part One. It shows how we have all been mesmerised and enchanted into giving "The System" our life force energy when to do so, means the death of who we really are as MAN, which is the death of the creation of MAN'S life (soul/consciousness). We have all been deceived, including those who believe they will reap rewards in the after-life if they continue the dream to destroy the uniqueness and originality of all of MAN'S dreams of life as earth/nature/creation. The video also discusses the e-go; how we are trained to create it and project it into the fantasies of "The System" so that we keep re-creating "The System" of MANS/our/your death.

Dancing With Magic Part Three is about the apathy and denial in our thinking and our e-motional reactions to these non-sense thoughts that fuel the e-go so that it continues running our lives even while we think that we are doing things towards freedom, peace, etc. Whatever our intentions, we remain trapped in "The System", unable to comprehend how we are keeping our real lives trapped. "I love freedom but I am determined to remain a slave." We also look at how easy it is for us to get sucked into placebo effects where we think that we have to have this or that or a certain situation to be able to do what we dream for. We put our lives under the standing of what we think we need, instead of realising that our magnificence is far greater than any system gadget or construct.

Dancing With Magic Part Four, we delve even more deeply into apathy and denial and how we fight to maintain the farce of our e-go personas so that many of our interactions with others are fake and insincere. Many relationships, while not necessarily unhappy, only survive because of usually unspoken conditions and rules set between partners. We love our partners provided they do so and so and fulfil such and such needs, etc. We do not allow each other to be truly free to express and be as we feel because of our own insecurity that has us fear that we will lose them or that they are invalidating us if they do not prove their love to us by meeting our conditions of acceptable behaviour, manner of speaking, looks, domestics undertaken, etc. If we want others to accept us as we truly are, we have to be prepared to do the same! We also discuss the Greek Orthodox Church that Arthur grew up with and how their only remedy is self sustainable communities of monks, all male, in Australia, Greece and other places. All funded by the devoted Greek Orthodox congregations of the world who will be left to suffer while the monks are all set to survive whatever comes.

Dancing With Magic (Lies) Part One:
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
5th September 2015
https://youtu.be/hx7qJ7r2OS4

Dancing With Magic (Lies) Part Two:
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
12th September 2015
https://youtu.be/b_KuEFdKmnA

Dancing With Magic (Lies) Part Three:
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
13th September 2015
https://youtu.be/9pJc1NfnAcI

Dancing With Magic (Lies) Part Four:
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life
16th September 2015
https://youtu.be/kSVURGwm1Go

Can You Spot The E-Go - Where's Wally?
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life - 2nd September 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8573

IMAGE POWER
Superb Diamond Range Interviewing
Arthur & Fiona Cristian 4th Feb 2014
https://youtu.be/qFnuuw3kLog

Introduction To Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
6th March 2015
https://youtu.be/7SspPm9wRgo

Love For Life Food Forest Vege Garden
From Bare Dirt To Abundance Part One

8th February 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

Darkness Visible Part One A
The Freemasonic World In Plain Sight
Decoding George Washington Lithographs

Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love For Life
14th December 2014:
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8557

Darkness Visible Part Five
The Horrific Satanic/Freemasonic
Blood Libel/Letting Rituals
Sacrificing Babies, Children, Teenagers,
Adults And Animals To Capture
Trauma For The Specific Purpose Of
Robot Controlling Their Victims

Fiona Cristian & Arthur Cristian
Love For Life
24th January 2015
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8562

His-Story/Her-Story (History)
Arthur Cristian - Love For Life
2005-2007 - Re-posted July 2014
http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8529

The Steps Of Kindom
Arthur & Fiona Cristian
2006-2007
https://loveforlife.com.au/node/5788

OPPT & Slavery Through Intellectual Conscription By Deceit Part One
Love For Life - Arthur & Fiona Cristian - 27th February 2013
https://youtu.be/Qjp_9nlrBao

Water Is The Life Of MANS Consciousness (Breath) Part One
Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 9th February 2013
https://youtu.be/4ze66_33wxM

The "Name" Is The Mark Of The Beast
The Strawman Identifying Your Slave Status
In "The System"

Arthur Cristian - Love For Life - 5 th February 2012
https://youtu.be/DdOag66v7uo

The Dream Of Life Part 6
Under The Spell Of Intellectual Property

Arthur Cristian - Love For Life - 19th April 2012
https://youtu.be/IMK7CkU1ih8

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Can You Spot The Ego? Where's Wally? Compilation of Facebook & Youtube Insight Posts During Aug/Sept 2015 By Arthur Cristian

The Cristian Family November 2006

Can You Spot The Ego?
Where's Wally? Part One


Compilation of Facebook & Youtube Insights
Posted by Arthur Cristian
During August/Sept 2015

Part One: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8573
Part Two: http://loveforlife.com.au/node/8576

Note: Updated 26th September 2015 2.43am

We will continue to add more discussions from Facebook and elsewhere as they arise during September 2015. We would like to be able to put them into different areas for different subjects but we don't have the spare waking life to do so. The discussions are not in sequential order either, so some of the latest posts may appear halfway down, or wherever! This post is a Love For Life lucky dip! However, it is worth exploring because we really have got to the nitty gritty of what is keeping us all enslaved and seemingly incapable of getting together to walk away from "The System". When we add something, we will update the date above so you will know that there is something new. The main gut of everything here is going to be part of the e-book too, which we are going to be putting all our energy into once we have finished the two articles that are precursors of the e-book.

The Cristian Family November 2006

THE DEEP SLEEP


Arthur Cristian
Love For Life

Link: https://www.facebook.com/arthurcristian/posts/10207713332019383

25th September 2015

The most important action now is that we start fully focusing more and more on remedy that gets us all out of "The System" of an induced deep, deep, deep, sleep in this life, and less and less on being caught up with what is going wrong throughout "The System", which really is this Satanic/Freemasonic inspired deep sleep working away on you here and now in this life.

Post after post after post after post after post, news after news after news after news after news, conversation after conversation after conversation after conversation after conversation of everything going wrong IS this deep sleep.

With exposure to TV, Internet, Media, Social Networks, Hollywood, etc, etc, we have all seen the horrors, the desecration, the injustice, the cruelty and every facet of the hell that is "The System" of harm doing, of organised ritual abuse and murder, the deep sleep. But where is the remedy that stops all this, never to return in this life? But that can't happen while everyone is too busy being the deep sleep of the trauma that rules their lives in "The System".

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We do not need to keep reminding our real lives of this man-made hell here and now, which we do while we keep posting all this TRAUMA across Facebook and elsewhere.

The TRAUMA IS THE DEEP SLEEP.

Do you not want to really wake up from this deep sleep?

The deep sleep is you not really waking up to co-create a living remedy that gets everyone out of the deep sleep of harm doing in this life, starting with your real life, otherwise it isn't happening.

Surviving away in "The System" with everything that goes on with your life bound to "The System" for whatever it is that you want from it is this deep sleep.

The deep sleep is passing the buck, avoiding taking full-responsibility to be the living remedy that ends the deep sleep in this life.

The deep sleep is the apathy and denial, the lack of confidence, the unwillingness to let go of "The System", the powerlessness, the hopelessness, the emptiness, the greed, selfishnness, jealousy, rage, criticism, abuse, ridicule, etc, etc, all the trauma indulgment that we call entertainment, lifestyle, careers, etc, in "The System".

When are you really going to wake up from this deep, deep, deep, traumatic sleep? Can you not see/sense that "The System" and everything going on in it IS the deep sleep. Only those in the deep sleep are in "The System" doing what they do in "The System". But that's not me - I really want to do something - how dare they think that I'm one of those - I've got it all worked out - I've got the Venus Projects, Michael Tellinger, David Icke, Sacha Stone, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Nesara, Russel Brand, Thirve, One Earth, One Nation, The Galactic Federation, Cosmic Oneness Consciousness and many more on my side, a cast of thousands - It's all happening, we are all saved.

Little do they realise that this is still a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, working away at them and that they are still deep asleep, unable to wake up.

This is what we need to move away from so that we are fully focusing more and more on a living everyday practical sense remedy that gets us all out of being deeply compromised to "The System" of murder. We need to be kept fully busy talking about remedy and on what we can do to co-create a do no harm way of life where no man, woman or child is underneath another man, woman or child forevermore.

This means no more a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, no more education, instruction, explanation and suggestion, no more desecration of our children. It is when we desecrate the children that the deep sleep kicks in. We stop them creating their unique, original dreams so they go into a deep sleep because now they are under the image power dream of another MAN and creating fake lives out of that. This is why intel keep making sure we know about all the trauma - it all comes from a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, and none of it comes from nature. We are all those children who continue being deep asleep.

The living remedy, Kindom, means being honest about what is really holding us back from Kindom, from co-creating remedy. We should be circulating and sharing the living dreams that are the living birds, the living fruits of nature, the mountains and the valleys that are all sacred because they have not been corrupted by MAN. This is what we should be working with, not all the abuse that just keeps us deep asleep. All the joy of living is in the abundance and beauty of the living, not in the trauma of the desecrated.

The living is what is sacred which is where all the joy, peace, abundance, truth and happiness is. We cannot be educated into the joy - we have to be it but we have to let go of these demonic a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 desecrated influences to experience it, to be it, to live it, to dream it. It is only out of what is sacred that we are sacred. We cannot be sacred out of what has already been desecrated, which is every man, woman and child who has been educated into a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 and been taught to call it divine and pass it onto everyone else that they send to rack and ruin. The vine of death - we die on the vine of desecration passed through the generations of fallen MAN. Nothing "divine" here.

What is it that we aren't prepared to give up?

What is it that we are holding onto?

Is it the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, that has been educated into us that are the pixels of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 that form the images of trauma?

Is it the fear of realising that we have to let go?

And of what might happen if we do let it all go?

Why do we prefer to send all of us to annihilation rather than do what needs to be done to fix all the damage that we are all fully responsible for here and now in this life?

While we continue to focus on the wrongs of "The System", we are continuing to give our attention to the mesmerising pixels of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 spells of "The System" which continue to give the Freemasons/Satanists power, which is the deep sleep working away. You have given up your real, sacred life for the desecration of pixels providing us with fake lives that we have been conned to believe is real. In the Matrix, we are saturated in a pixel world of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, pixel picture upon picture upon picture, trapped into believing that we are alive, able to find something living, our real lives in the pixels. But there is nothing living there. Nothing for our real lives.

This is the education systems, the libraries, the supermarkets, the highways, the entertainment, social media, everything.

On our computer screens we see pictures of pixels forming images of nature and animals but none of it is real, and yet we act as though it is real.

When are you going to wake up? Or do you really want to die like this, never to awaken from the pixels? You wake and go to bed lost in the pixels and you call it your real lives, your reality. The Freemasons/Satanists do not want us to wake up to the spell binding power of the pixels that really is hell.

Why are so many intel shepherds and the deeply traumatised focused on bringing this trauma to our attention all our waking lives, thinking that posting all these traumatic pictures formed out of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, pixels is going to do something, to have real, living power like the sun or the air we breathe, or the bees? Reality check - this is the deep sleep. They do not want us to move away from the trauma. They want us to keep the trauma in our thinking, keep us in a trance state, mesmerised by all the evidence of the hell, continually looking for more evidence and more evidence that "The System" is hell. And we are going to find remedy there? LOLLLLLLL

All the while we are mesmerised we are not creating remedy and they are creating their One World Government remedy for us to walk into while we are still mesmerised by evidence of their hell!

Why are we still allowing them to manipulate us?

All the while we are focusing on the trauma, we are not creating our unique, original dreams. We remain deaf, dumb and blind to our senses, disconnected with the dream of life that we are. All our lives under "The System", we are being force-fed the dreams of others and while we continue to focus on "The System", we are not really waking up.

We are conditioned from the moment we leave our mother's womb, if not earlier, to rely on a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 and, while we continue to focus on all the trauma information, we are still relying on a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 because this is all it is. This is the deep sleep working away on you. The pixels are the drivers licence, the money, the hotels, the electric guitars, the film industry, the music industry, McDonalds, the bottle shops, Big Pharma, etc.

All our complaints and e-motional states are all the deep sleep. All our self-centred worries and insecurities are the deep sleep and while we pamper to the complaints, e-motional states, self-centred worries and insecurities in others, we are helping them to remain deep, deep asleep. We are not helping them to leave the pixel matrix of a, b, c, 1, 2, 3.

If anyone does not fully comprehend what we are saying here, then you will have to put the work in and read these posts and watch the videos provided below.

Living remedy will not fall in our laps. Remedy to the mess we are in requires hard work and a willingness to sacrifice our needs, wants and desires. The hardest work is getting the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3, pixels out of your head. If we don't, we have not got rid of the trauma and have not got the a, b, c, 1, 2, 3 slave masters out of your head.

You are still deep asleep.

Kindom, anyone?

The Cristian Family November 2006

The Continuation Of A Discussion
With Liam Sena On YouTube


Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJCcCvZ97A

29th August 2015

Note: The full discussion/debate involving Liam Sena and his partner Kathryn McPeeters is found further down in this webpage.

Liam replied: "1) Your right: "The body is not the MAN, the MAN is the consciousness that expands far beyond the body of the MAN."

Have you tried Astral Projection?

Your Consciousness leaves your Body, expand your Consciousness being able to Travel around, then return to Body.

You have train yourself in order to do it though - find a way that works for you.

I have done Astral Projection.

2) You have asked: "Did the sensory-living-life-form (plant) tell you directly that it was a daffodil, is yellow, etc, (SENSE) or did another man/woman put all that information including a scientific explanation in your head (NON-SENSE)."

(Kathryn) I went up to the "Sensory-living-life-form" called a Tree, had no idea what kind it was. I touched its Bark, heard rustling leaves in the wind, smelt the bark smell. I asked what kind it was.

The Tree didn't tell me what kind it was.

No "Sensory-living-life-form" tells me directly what it is when I ask it - I am unable to get First Party information.

All I have is 3rd Party Information.

How did you reconnect with Nature?

I feel Positive Vibes from Nature, Negative Vibes from the Walmart Store.?

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The Cristian Family November 2006

Dancing With Magic (Lies)


Arthur & Fiona Cristian
Love Fort Life
September 2015

Copy of the email sent to the Love For Life mailing list today, 15th September 2015.

Hi everyone, Over the past week or so we've been uploading our latest videos called Dancing With Magic (Lies) Parts 1, 2 and 3, with more to follow. They are all Embedded below. Please check YouTube, the home page of the Love For Life website and the Love For Life Facebook walls for details when they come out. We also made a video as an introduction for the Love for Life Kindom Facebook Group 6th March 2015. These videos, along with the Love For Life post "Can You Spot The E-Go - Where's Wally?" and the home page (extensively updated over the last 5 months) of the Love For Life website, starting from the top, is all going to become part of the new Dancing With Magic e-book coming out over the coming months, full of illustrations.

As usual, we offer the challenge for anyone to prove to us that what we share is false. If you can't, then you need to seriously examine all the belief systems you are living your lives out of, because what we say goes against all of them.

We all have the FULL-responsibility to start making the changes necessary if we are to get out of "The System" in this life, which is just the dream of another MAN who conned us into giving up our unique, original dreams for c